< 1616544013 650442 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I currently do not have HTTPS set up on my server. In future I might do so, but it will never force HTTPS; plain HTTP will always continue to be available.) < 1616544108 787965 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My site is HTTP and HTTPS enabled to satisfy everyone. The only reason GOOG is pushing HTTPS is because they got mad Verizon was injecting ads into their search pages (that's what they claim, but something else happened) > 1616544111 19875 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81519&oldid=80802 5* 03Emerald 5* (+88) 10/* Second truth machine (but it won't work) */ < 1616544160 28989 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would wholeheartly support a security protocol that doesn't rely on a centralized source and will work without the standards constantly changing < 1616544176 800024 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTPS tried to kill two birds with one stone; and that is its biggest downfall < 1616544234 823745 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think that not everything needs to be a web application (although they can be provided as an alternative in some cases). < 1616544939 469500 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1616544947 933724 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of web application what would it be < 1616545055 983726 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depending on what you are doing, it might be a local program, a command-line program, service accessed by curl, static HTML document, Gopher or Gemini, telnet/SSH, VM code, NNTP, IRC, etc. < 1616545261 607963 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. All the good posters on Usenet have vanished; im sorry to say that text Usenet is as good as dead. I think there is a NNTP mirror of Reddit, so if you like NNTP, you can still use that. < 1616545295 726696 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your thoughts on Discord < 1616545330 245433 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use Discord. I like IRC. < 1616545365 209648 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usenet is still used a bit, althougn not much. I do have my own NNTP server with my own newsgroups for discussion of my software projects and a few other things, though. < 1616545571 172745 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alot of gaming projects are on Discord. There seemed to be more activity last year than there was this year < 1616545586 456557 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a Discord-IRC Bridge for the best discord guilds < 1616545599 369798 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second sentence in the first chat was regarding usenet < 1616545685 488555 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, maybe they will, we will see < 1616545726 122865 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Discord guilds that you would join in a discord-irc/gemini bridge? < 1616545740 40758 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolangs discord seems like a good start < 1616545744 608346 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your thoughts on Matrix? < 1616545814 752670 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix is better than Discord due to more openness, although it is still too complicated and lacks many of the benefits of IRC. < 1616545834 497685 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, HTTP(S) is just not a good protocol for real time chat, anyways.) < 1616545993 581325 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP is good for logs for chat. What does IRC have that Matrix doesnt? < 1616546013 979469 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, HTTP is good for serving the logs, but not for the chat itself. < 1616546075 173392 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that IRC has is its simplicity that does not require any specialized software to use (although specialized software is still very helpful, it can be used, and I have used it, without specialized software). < 1616546325 904406 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwo long have you been using irc < 1616546509 874576 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC has history. < 1616546531 806613 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember, but it has been many years. < 1616546555 935113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zzo38 nick was registered in 2009, so that's a lower bound < 1616546561 284734 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the IRC client I am using now, although I used it (without any software) even before then. < 1616546583 412472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I imagine it has been much longer.) < 1616546673 308364 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logs I downloaded indicate zzo38 has been in "ops" since 2001ish < 1616546677 866571 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever since the channel started < 1616546798 473429 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode/OPN is a young upstart among the IRC networks :P. > 1616546874 382467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81520&oldid=81462 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-105) 10/* Parse this sic */ cleaner < 1616546911 937619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel started on... hmm, was it EFnet? For something like a day, before moving to Freenode. < 1616546947 207942 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born after 2001, but that's the only hint you'll get about my age < 1616546956 274854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> I propose OPN (irc.freenode.net) other than EFnet, because for one, OPN is a much better network overall, ;) and there're simply more people on OPN who're actually interested in this kind of thing. < 1616546958 392509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:50: error: :1:50: error: parse error on input ‘,’ < 1616546966 104848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that's true, but it got believed, so it might as well be. < 1616547045 552935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging from https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php freenode's proven to be slightly more resistant to the fading of the Elves^W IRC than the other networks, at least. < 1616547228 996554 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drew Devault working on new programming language. It is very obviously influenced by Rust, the language he loathes so much < 1616550467 129598 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-186-43.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1616550866 989668 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-186-43.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1616558005 344736 :nfd!~nfd9001@2601:602:77f:1820:144a:da71:587f:e0c7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1616559595 929926 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 QUIT :Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1616561376 868365 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1616561459 359231 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1616565740 415181 :adminh!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed NICK :zeroed > 1616567789 652747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81521&oldid=81201 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+574) 10/* Interpreters */ < 1616570034 618018 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1616570456 170864 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1616570754 166235 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1616570754 476579 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1616570754 514415 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric < 1616571940 310935 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1616572463 852273 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1616572941 933011 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1616573333 902974 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1616573504 851874 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1616576860 520173 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1616576864 634728 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616579144 415975 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone into this? https://urbit.org/docs/hoon/hoon-school/ < 1616579172 30539 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the first additions to esolang wiki were by b_jonas < 1616579213 614628 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is crazy; some sort of OS with own language, blockchain and after 7 years of development a web interface < 1616579328 669254 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and probably that wasn't the original repo so it's even older < 1616580018 999169 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1616582844 524468 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you love it when there's software documentation clearly formatted to be readable in a browser, rather than as a printed book, and it says something like "described elsewhere in this documentation" without a hyperlink? < 1616582898 96586 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I'm certainly not into that sort of thing, I just sometimes add links to the wiki about potentially interesting esoteric stuff so it's easier to find later < 1616583909 367289 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616583975 891837 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1616583976 877756 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1616584120 345349 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1616585148 191118 :verdecchia[m]!verdecchia@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ulcdjgbagpgwbggi PART #esoteric :"User left" < 1616585149 860301 :Montse!5322356c@108.red-83-34-53.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616586909 49528 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1616587964 316241 :Ioanai7!~ioana@2.154.216.137.dyn.user.ono.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1616588014 947328 :Ioanai7!~ioana@2.154.216.137.dyn.user.ono.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best Browser Ever! Mine Your Own BitCoin While You Surffing The Web! https://cryptotabbrowser.com/16879401 < 1616588607 462131 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1616588659 735297 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you want to, just mine them without a browser with a ponzi scheme < 1616588692 514053 :Ioanai7!~ioana@2.154.216.137.dyn.user.ono.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me how :) < 1616588734 311175 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google "how to mine bitcoin", follow the first result that is not an obvious scam < 1616588746 6626 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, bitcoin sucks < 1616589592 398723 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616589742 21149 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1616593611 359889 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616593986 461632 :Ioanai7!~ioana@2.154.216.137.dyn.user.ono.com QUIT :K-Lined < 1616594178 126058 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616597262 865011 :Montse!5322356c@108.red-83-34-53.dynamicip.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1616598014 224449 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1616600675 932816 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1616601297 973353 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1616603008 118496 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@178-133-13-218.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616603120 822048 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@178-133-13-218.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1616603184 882621 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-13-218.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616604160 577059 :captaintofuburge!captaintof@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/captaintofuburge QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1616604173 333760 :stfb!captaintof@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/captaintofuburge JOIN :#esoteric < 1616604277 117855 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616605149 888396 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1616605244 407808 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1616605294 407693 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1616605317 486451 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't profitably mine bitcoin with anything short of dedicated hardware < 1616605320 691034 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has been the case for years < 1616605338 530402 :river!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have 1 bitcoin please < 1616605357 995958 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, give me 20k$ < 1616605553 915868 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-13-218.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1616606642 567936 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that (1 + 1.11 ⋅ 10⁻¹⁶) BTC = 1 BTC < 1616606720 279893 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn I should have used simply 10⁻¹⁶, that’d be both crispier and more correct wrt double precision > 1616608118 993148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dbtx14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81522&oldid=81511 5* 03Dbtx 5* (-8) 10 < 1616608166 111052 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol floats < 1616608195 922390 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking at some 3D printer G-code and it had this line < 1616608198 548573 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :G1 X113.778 Y85.60300000000001 E0.1142 < 1616608238 378124 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that extra 0.01 femtometers makes all the difference lol > 1616608326 105313 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dbtx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81523&oldid=81522 5* 03Dbtx 5* (-533) 10 < 1616608469 832515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They added that 0.00000000000001 to account for tolerances. < 1616608579 943275 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously > 1616611117 612358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dbtx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81524&oldid=81523 5* 03Dbtx 5* (+985) 10Undo revision 81523 by [[Special:Contributions/Dbtx|Dbtx]] ([[User talk:Dbtx|talk]]) < 1616612555 310764 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1616612580 887539 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1616612907 86623 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1616612927 383160 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1616613828 200288 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1616613847 999726 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1616614540 206725 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1616614696 878047 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1616614719 675508 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1616615875 131026 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-13-218.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616617587 17373 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1616617639 915104 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1616617855 842654 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1616617991 945195 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1616618712 877056 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1616621864 572959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81525&oldid=81506 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+733) 10added bit shift and rotate, started arrays > 1616621909 963444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidBASIC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81526 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+7008) 10Created page > 1616622036 968205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidBASIC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81527&oldid=81526 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+17) 10screwed up categories again lol > 1616622129 644654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidBASIC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81528&oldid=81527 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+0) 10AGAIN < 1616622152 160320 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1616622772 193753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:Stupid family14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81529 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+365) 10Create category page > 1616622844 683161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stupidc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81530&oldid=81210 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+28) 10Add stupidc family > 1616622987 59177 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1616629414 441890 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1616629655 873861 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric