00:00:13 <zzo38> (I currently do not have HTTPS set up on my server. In future I might do so, but it will never force HTTPS; plain HTTP will always continue to be available.)
00:01:48 <arcsor5> My site is HTTP and HTTPS enabled to satisfy everyone. The only reason GOOG is pushing HTTPS is because they got mad Verizon was injecting ads into their search pages (that's what they claim, but something else happened)
00:01:51 <esowiki> [[Talk:Dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81519&oldid=80802 * Emerald * (+88) /* Second truth machine (but it won't work) */
00:02:40 <arcsor5> I would wholeheartly support a security protocol that doesn't rely on a centralized source and will work without the standards constantly changing
00:02:56 <arcsor5> HTTPS tried to kill two birds with one stone; and that is its biggest downfall
00:03:54 <zzo38> Also, I think that not everything needs to be a web application (although they can be provided as an alternative in some cases).
00:15:47 <arcsor5> instead of web application what would it be
00:17:35 <zzo38> Well, depending on what you are doing, it might be a local program, a command-line program, service accessed by curl, static HTML document, Gopher or Gemini, telnet/SSH, VM code, NNTP, IRC, etc.
00:21:01 <arcsor5> that's true. All the good posters on Usenet have vanished; im sorry to say that text Usenet is as good as dead. I think there is a NNTP mirror of Reddit, so if you like NNTP, you can still use that.
00:21:35 <arcsor5> What are your thoughts on Discord
00:22:10 <zzo38> I don't use Discord. I like IRC.
00:22:45 <zzo38> Usenet is still used a bit, althougn not much. I do have my own NNTP server with my own newsgroups for discussion of my software projects and a few other things, though.
00:26:11 <arcsor5> Alot of gaming projects are on Discord. There seemed to be more activity last year than there was this year
00:26:26 <arcsor5> Someone should make a Discord-IRC Bridge for the best discord guilds
00:26:39 <arcsor5> The second sentence in the first chat was regarding usenet
00:28:05 <zzo38> OK, maybe they will, we will see
00:28:46 <arcsor5> Are there any Discord guilds that you would join in a discord-irc/gemini bridge?
00:29:00 <arcsor5> The esolangs discord seems like a good start
00:29:04 <arcsor5> What are your thoughts on Matrix?
00:30:14 <zzo38> Matrix is better than Discord due to more openness, although it is still too complicated and lacks many of the benefits of IRC.
00:30:34 <zzo38> (Also, HTTP(S) is just not a good protocol for real time chat, anyways.)
00:33:13 <arcsor5> HTTP is good for logs for chat. What does IRC have that Matrix doesnt?
00:33:33 <zzo38> Yes, HTTP is good for serving the logs, but not for the chat itself.
00:34:35 <zzo38> One thing that IRC has is its simplicity that does not require any specialized software to use (although specialized software is still very helpful, it can be used, and I have used it, without specialized software).
00:38:45 <arcsor5> hwo long have you been using irc
00:42:11 <zzo38> I don't remember, but it has been many years.
00:42:35 <int-e> the zzo38 nick was registered in 2009, so that's a lower bound
00:42:41 <zzo38> I wrote the IRC client I am using now, although I used it (without any software) even before then.
00:43:03 <int-e> (But I imagine it has been much longer.)
00:44:33 <arcsor5> The logs I downloaded indicate zzo38 has been in "ops" since 2001ish
00:44:37 <arcsor5> ever since the channel started
00:46:38 <int-e> Freenode/OPN is a young upstart among the IRC networks :P.
00:47:54 <esowiki> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81520&oldid=81462 * Digital Hunter * (-105) /* Parse this sic */ cleaner
00:48:31 <fizzie> This channel started on... hmm, was it EFnet? For something like a day, before moving to Freenode.
00:49:07 <arcsor5> I was born after 2001, but that's the only hint you'll get about my age
00:49:16 <fizzie> > I propose OPN (irc.freenode.net) other than EFnet, because for one, OPN is a much better network overall, ;) and there're simply more people on OPN who're actually interested in this kind of thing.
00:49:18 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:50: error: <hint>:1:50: error: parse error on input ‘,’
00:49:26 <fizzie> I don't know if that's true, but it got believed, so it might as well be.
00:50:45 <fizzie> Judging from https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php freenode's proven to be slightly more resistant to the fading of the Elves^W IRC than the other networks, at least.
00:53:48 <arcsor5> Drew Devault working on new programming language. It is very obviously influenced by Rust, the language he loathes so much
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09:45:44 <nakilon> is anyone into this? https://urbit.org/docs/hoon/hoon-school/
09:46:12 <nakilon> I guess the first additions to esolang wiki were by b_jonas
09:46:53 <nakilon> this is crazy; some sort of OS with own language, blockchain and after 7 years of development a web interface
09:48:48 <nakilon> oh, and probably that wasn't the original repo so it's even older
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10:47:24 <b_jonas> don't you love it when there's software documentation clearly formatted to be readable in a browser, rather than as a printed book, and it says something like "described elsewhere in this documentation" without a hyperlink?
10:48:18 <b_jonas> nakilon: I'm certainly not into that sort of thing, I just sometimes add links to the wiki about potentially interesting esoteric stuff so it's easier to find later
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12:13:34 <Ioanai7> Best Browser Ever! Mine Your Own BitCoin While You Surffing The Web! https://cryptotabbrowser.com/16879401
12:24:19 <myname> or if you want to, just mine them without a browser with a ponzi scheme
12:25:34 <myname> google "how to mine bitcoin", follow the first result that is not an obvious scam
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17:01:57 <kmc> you can't profitably mine bitcoin with anything short of dedicated hardware
17:02:00 <kmc> that has been the case for years
17:02:18 <river> can i have 1 bitcoin please
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17:24:02 <arseniiv> did you know that (1 + 1.11 ⋅ 10⁻¹⁶) BTC = 1 BTC
17:25:20 <arseniiv> oh damn I should have used simply 10⁻¹⁶, that’d be both crispier and more correct wrt double precision
17:48:38 <esowiki> [[User:Dbtx]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81522&oldid=81511 * Dbtx * (-8)
17:49:26 <kmc> lol floats
17:49:55 <kmc> i was looking at some 3D printer G-code and it had this line
17:49:58 <kmc> G1 X113.778 Y85.60300000000001 E0.1142
17:50:38 <kmc> that extra 0.01 femtometers makes all the difference lol
17:52:06 <esowiki> [[User:Dbtx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81523&oldid=81522 * Dbtx * (-533)
17:54:29 <fizzie> They added that 0.00000000000001 to account for tolerances.
18:38:37 <esowiki> [[User:Dbtx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81524&oldid=81523 * Dbtx * (+985) Undo revision 81523 by [[Special:Contributions/Dbtx|Dbtx]] ([[User talk:Dbtx|talk]])
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21:37:44 <esowiki> [[2020]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81525&oldid=81506 * EnilKoder * (+733) added bit shift and rotate, started arrays
21:38:29 <esowiki> [[StupidBASIC]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81526 * Not applicable * (+7008) Created page
21:40:36 <esowiki> [[StupidBASIC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81527&oldid=81526 * Not applicable * (+17) screwed up categories again lol
21:42:09 <esowiki> [[StupidBASIC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81528&oldid=81527 * Not applicable * (+0) AGAIN
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21:52:52 <esowiki> [[Category:Stupid family]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81529 * Not applicable * (+365) Create category page
21:54:04 <esowiki> [[Stupidc]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81530&oldid=81210 * Not applicable * (+28) Add stupidc family
21:56:27 <esowiki> [[Category:Stupid family]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81531&oldid=81529 * Not applicable * (+14) {{Lowercase}}
21:56:44 <esowiki> [[StupidBASIC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81532&oldid=81528 * Not applicable * (+77) huh
21:57:48 <esowiki> [[Stupidc]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81533&oldid=81530 * Not applicable * (-1) stupid family not stupidc family
22:01:46 <esowiki> [[Parse this sic/Numbers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81534&oldid=80223 * Digital Hunter * (+25)
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22:06:08 <esowiki> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81535&oldid=81371 * Not applicable * (+73) add stupidBASIC
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