< 1614557010 146735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :re2 is the default default regex engine.
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> 1614559153 814374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81099&oldid=81098 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+248) 10
> 1614559256 449535 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81100&oldid=81099 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+46) 10/* implementations */
> 1614559796 663601 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Trump Bot 5*  10New user account
< 1614560343 864255 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's not how it works. non-greedy match can still be slow when it fails but tries everything to match
< 1614560365 57264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What's not how it works?
< 1614560378 195684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-greedy matching doesn't do what I want, and can still be slow, is what I said.
< 1614560443 494317 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good
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> 1614562544 459549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81101&oldid=81100 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+11) 10/* Cat program */ Format
< 1614563173 585477 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost done
> 1614563278 755088 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81102&oldid=81043 5* 03Trump Bot 5* (+109) 10
< 1614563815 151744 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid CORS
< 1614563830 786884 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't fetch the file from the child domain
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< 1614568799 473448 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS
< 1614568815 851045 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cloud.google.com/storage/docs/configuring-cors says: "ORIGIN is an origin allowed for cross origin resource sharing with this bucket. For example, example.appspot.com."
< 1614568879 614795 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only two pages below in the "Ensure that the request has an Origin header and that the header value matches ..." there is the correct format -- it needs "http://"
< 1614569730 146558 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, done: http://www.nakilon.pro/esolang.htm?
< 1614569765 881605 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the "?" at the end of the url -- it might be needed during the next minutes/hour due to CDN cache
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< 1614569951 326297 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is weird: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Cell-based description mentions Befunge but it isn't in this category
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> 1614572470 733395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81103&oldid=81101 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+2) 10/* Cat program */
> 1614573674 936878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Nakilon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81104&oldid=79471 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+126) 10added link to the "Esolang categories intersector"
> 1614575316 379843 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81105&oldid=81014 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+162) 10added another example of B97 command.
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> 1614581733 308204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5*  10New user account
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> 1614582004 994756 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81106&oldid=81102 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+230) 10
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< 1614585305 77401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Shutt (creator of Kernel Lisp) died
< 1614585931 441374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_mourns_loss_of_volunteer_John_Shutt
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> 1614586525 951953 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81107 5* 03Trump Bot 5* (+533) 10Also, please vote for the "Yes Smoking Day" (a holiday on November 31st as opposed to No smoking day) proposal
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< 1614603877 666773 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys maybe there is already such a language that I imagining right now?...
< 1614604017 877231 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no stack, only the two layers: 1. the instructions layer, that is a source code like in any funge 2. the data layer where the stdin comes to and gets processed by the instructions
< 1614604108 405164 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the layers exist directly one above another one, that is the stdin data byte-by-byte come to the left-top cell and then are moving automatically every tick to the direction it moved the last time, being processed by the instruction on the same coordinate from the instructions layer
< 1614604234 761462 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the data flows over the 2d code like in a 2d version of the http://www.zachtronics.com/infinifactory/
< 1614604309 15149 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the game, it's not 3d, there are only 2 layers (and probably no funge's toroidal jumping over the edges of the space, not sure yet)
< 1614604361 153259 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the instructions are > < v ^  : (dup) / -
< 1614604401 639644 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the flow of data through the space has to be used as stack if you need it
< 1614604459 986280 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and some conditional instruction that conditionally tramplines the byte
< 1614604616 124042 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if, for example, you want to push something "3 positions deeper to the stack" you take if out from the flow (the imaginary conveyor line over which the bytes are moving), move around and push from the side on the "conveyor" behind the following bytes
< 1614604663 929258 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but idk how to make a random read from the flow
< 1614605085 881640 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :conditional and arithmetic instructions (/, -) are consuming one byte and editing the next byte letting it out on the next tick
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< 1614605170 155784 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when two or more bytes are willing to get to the same coordinate they are prioritized by the order of appearance from the stdin
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< 1614605297 577442 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "/" "-" instructions, when they spawn a new byte, they give it the same priority that the last processed byte had; ":" inserts the new byte in between of priority queue
< 1614605530 851339 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now losing the understanding the difference between terms of the language and the VM that runs it
< 1614605696 368062 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for example, Befunge -- the reference explanations of what the instructions do is a language I guess while the description of the space is a "Befunge machine", not a "Befunge language" I guess
> 1614606006 612138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RetroPain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81108&oldid=81076 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+2) 10/* 2021 */
< 1614607167 837060 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you can turn around and push some byte from the side onto the conditional instruction to make it to "knock out" some byte from the flow to other side
< 1614607222 489378 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even need to make free spaces to insert something into a tail because tail bytes have lower priority
< 1614607237 474455 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there should be some technic to compress the flow
< 1614607295 37212 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, nvm, it's not possible, you can't make the time go faster
< 1614607366 893341 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... there should be the way to stop the byte to make the next one reach it if it's delayed...
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< 1614608009 392685 :LKoen_!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
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< 1614610383 786989 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :found some bug in my scraping, some categories are showing as empty but they aren't
< 1614610582 118628 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, those are categories of categories
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< 1614610826 325107 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Posibly%20turing%20complete -- this one has redirect to "unknown computational class"
< 1614610834 879203 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Possibly%20turing%20complete -- this one is "pending deletion
< 1614610882 572168 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose redirect should be on 2 or both to be deleted
< 1614610955 152581 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: frankly I don't understand your description of the semantics of that programming language with befunge-like arrows
< 1614611065 606756 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm also not too interested in it
< 1614611351 359100 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the old flash game http://archeralex.github.io/manufactoria/
< 1614611447 552410 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the (STD)IN and (STD)OUT and you program it to process the data in between that is essentially how zachtronics's games usually work too, I guess Manufactoria has inspired them some years ago
< 1614611490 867705 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh waaaaait, the Manufactoria was their game! http://thesiteformerlyknownas.zachtronicsindustries.com/manufactoria/
< 1614611579 755394 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my idea is like an adaptation of mechanics of that old game to the terminal world, i.e. working with real STDIN and STDOUT
< 1614611720 947154 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nope, it's not their game but was posted in their blog as a candidate for some weekly gamedev challenge or something
> 1614611973 599074 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Featured languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81109&oldid=50325 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+134) 10
< 1614612797 739915 :adming!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed NICK :zeroed
< 1614614331 996358 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so there's a naming conflict. git now has a switch subcommand. (the docs say that it's experimental.) its name conflicts with an alias subcommand that I set up before git had that subcommand.
< 1614614396 340253 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out what I should do about this. luckily the rest of my aliases have sillier names and so probably won't have this problem.
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< 1614616219 422157 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: of the places that Mary went, what is the ratio of those to which the lamb was sure to go?
< 1614616219 553418 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: to write only..i dnt knw so i askd u for dis program but u didnt.i trusted u only na..i thaught i am angry
< 1614617222 768017 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/silly/esoteric
< 1614617354 319393 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: very well. the names of the aliases I have set up in my config are: logns logp bs whereami dicc lsref switch
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< 1614617473 473995 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bs doesn't stand for bullshit, (git bs) is an alias to (git status -bs)
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< 1614618967 4327 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what would happen if you were trained on nursery rhymes?
< 1614618967 227146 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: v didnt start yet d..goin to start now, make me dinner and help me get it done soon mah.
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< 1614619692 592528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only git alias is `log1 = log --oneline --decorate=full --graph`.
< 1614620088 90622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :changes=log -p --reverse ..origin, ci=commit
< 1614620125 344623 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably barely used
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< 1614625355 310051 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moved gist to a repo https://github.com/Nakilon/esolang and made a scheduled Github Action that will update the page every day
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> 1614628529 198221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FILO14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81110&oldid=79785 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+569) 10Rework language to be more usable for programming
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< 1614638356 648535 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two more recents videos on the channel are some Human vs AI matches
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< 1614641562 836315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Maybe you'll like this game that jix mentioned: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1471960/Room_to_Grow/
< 1614641616 453732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of the Snakebird music.
< 1614641684 435086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe that's just how block-pushing games are supposed to sound like.
< 1614641838 38527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't know about the music, but the actual moving-around sound reminded me of Snakebird.
< 1614641846 903801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much that I was wondering whether it was the same people or something.
< 1614642539 47234 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are block-pushing games supposed to have a specific style of music?
< 1614642742 927757 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hero Mesh has a version of Piano Sonata No.11 Movement III by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, although you can substitute your own music if you want to.)
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< 1614663452 669751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm maybe
< 1614664940 601527 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The target audience would ideally bear through the frustration of having their initial attempts thwarted, and persevere until they figure out the solution for themselves. Because, outside of that interaction, there’s little joy to be had in Room to Grow." -- iow, it's a puzzle game :P
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< 1614665087 777577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for int-e is Tue Mar  2 07:04:44 2021
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< 1614690672 808524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm "To be fair I had no idea most sscanf implementations called strlen [...]" -- I'm surprised too. (cf. https://nee.lv/2021/02/28/How-I-cut-GTA-Online-loading-times-by-70/ )
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> 1614691660 362718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07*14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81120&oldid=79211 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10/* Random Number Generator between 0 and 2,147,483,647 */ Fix example
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< 1614692696 893704 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. I think the important part for game music is that the player should be able to change the volume or mute the game music separately from other sound effects of the game, so that if they want, they can listen to music from somewhere outside the game while still hearing the game sound effects.
< 1614692712 88376 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most games get this right these days.
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< 1614692870 468534 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people might want to clearly hear the game sounds without music…
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< 1614693708 572183 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheLie: that happens too, especially when the game interface is badly designed and a very low volume sound effect gives you an advantage that you can't get otherwise. this happened in Spelunky 2 on the cosmic ocean levels, both with the bubble pop sound effects and more importantly the bubble ambiant sound effects. in those cases, the interface should be fixed too, to give a visual clue and possibly a 
< 1614693714 600020 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :louder sound effect. 
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< 1614712780 518534 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay, growing space is cute... and tricky
< 1614713624 367133 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if the proton thing runs it on linux
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< 1614714534 789376 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does
< 1614714827 909430 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I agree, I should want to be able to change music and sound effects volume separately
> 1614715488 742391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072cmd14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81128 5* 03Mario 5* (+786) 10Created page with "<h1>2CMD...</h1> ...is an esoteric language with only two commands (<code> </code> and <code>&</code>) <hr> <code> </code> Just increments the TOS <hr> <code>&</code>, though..."
> 1614715553 759681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072CMD14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81129 5* 03Mario 5* (+18) 10Redirected page to [[2cmd]]
< 1614716533 405851 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not looking for hints, but this one has me stumped: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/grow.jpg (last one left in the forest)
< 1614716573 388100 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll probably figure it out eventually)
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< 1614716959 586168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the number?
< 1614716978 713205 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :21
< 1614717030 812275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done it yet.
< 1614717035 725832 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually expect it'll be easy in retrospect
< 1614717161 531160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm there.
< 1614717258 589363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice that the game has alternative routes
< 1614717260 687379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solved.
< 1614717273 362758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I got lucky.
< 1614717444 941474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely got lucky, because now I can't quite reproduce my solution, hmm.
< 1614717987 593122 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate when that happens
< 1614717996 754520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course.
< 1614718152 66203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I just solved it a second time, said "aha, that was the trick", and now I can't reproduce it again.
< 1614718707 204187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now I can reproduce it, at least.
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< 1614721236 61553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, obvious in retrospect it is
< 1614721778 843537 :V!~v@anomalous.eu NICK :v
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< 1614723201 88875 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The level editor in my program worked before and now it doesn't work.
< 1614723299 73912 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://nullprogram.com/blog/2020/06/29/
< 1614723308 319980 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ images are clickable videos
< 1614723375 25615 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally found a time to read the https://nullprogram.com/blog/2017/03/12/
< 1614723514 256855 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:47:50 <TheLie> Some people might want to clearly hear the game sounds without music…
< 1614723518 913399 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play games without music
< 1614723540 795845 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna be aware of every noise that happens
< 1614723609 768433 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the music is supposed to entertain me then it's not the best game if it does not entertain me with a gameplay enough
< 1614723655 732191 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas damn, I can't reach the cosmic ocean yet
< 1614724660 282234 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had once figured out a cheat code to disable the music in Super Mario Land, although I no longer have that.
> 1614724667 701479 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald/E Awards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81130&oldid=80926 5* 03Emerald 5* (+193) 10winner determined
< 1614724803 266996 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon de Panepon has a music switch and sound switch option, but they are hidden; go to the option menu, move the cursor to the "gallery" option (the last one), and then push SELECT and A buttons together, and then another menu will come up with music switch and sound switch, and other options (including one to adjust the maximum number of digits in the score; I don't know why).
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> 1614726230 825808 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Em314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81132&oldid=81113 5* 03Emerald 5* (-156) 10Redirected page to [[User:Emerald/sandbox#Em3]]
< 1614727333 876983 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the mistake in my program; it was just one character wrong, in a numeric constant. Such things can happen.
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< 1614727448 201094 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 #define ZERO 1
< 1614727453 969837 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NULL
< 1614727898 618799 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can be either due to typing the wrong number even though you know which number is correct, or due to writing the number that you believed to be correct, but later figured out that a different number is better. In my case, it is the latter; I had 0x20 but 0xC0 is correct, so I changed it to that and now it works OK. (It has to do with the variant of RLE used in this program.)
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< 1614730864 299923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Everything all right? 
< 1614730864 394119 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: after u log in skype. will talk later
< 1614730869 203863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so.
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> 1614733790 372306 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Iavac14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81133&oldid=66746 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+75) 10/* Special Addresses (memory mapping) */ cats
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> 1614735381 599465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rotten14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81134&oldid=58688 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+819) 10/* Fibonacci Sequence */ Categories, Interpeeter
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< 1614738926 551328 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated: 2021-03-03 00:38:24 +0000
< 1614738943 750762 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like Github Action cron isn't very precise
< 1614738952 231297 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's 0 0 * * *)
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< 1614743326 433400 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the syntax of Free Hero Mesh?
< 1614743519 224945 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like tsume shogi or any chess problems?
< 1614744508 712998 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a tsume shogi game on my computer, I have figured out some of them)
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< 1614745861 98037 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are many programs not documented very well?
< 1614745895 101344 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to use some program, but sometimes it is difficult because it is not documented.
> 1614746227 51734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Magicard!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81136&oldid=45996 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+0) 10typo
> 1614746507 507694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Erinius/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81137&oldid=80635 5* 03Erinius 5* (+126) 10
< 1614747089 923949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: https://ajxs.me/blog/Giving_Ada_a_chance.html
< 1614747095 352552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's your Ada going?
< 1614747225 7776 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked in Ada at a long time, but that blog post's mentioning of embedded stuff makes me wonder if there's an Ada compiler for Commodore 64
< 1614747242 591845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeolang
< 1614747247 358139 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeolang used to change frequently, but eventually it rusted in place.
> 1614748368 645335 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SetBang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81138&oldid=49070 5* 03Erinius 5* (+82) 10
< 1614756329 922278 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't read science fiction for like15 years
< 1614756364 344915 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be some post-apocaliptic novel about robots on the Earth withuot humans
< 1614756630 517875 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, wtf https://i.imgur.com/yZJBXRu.png
< 1614756707 24851 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some advertisment, this picture is supposed to be about the "industrial revolution"
< 1614757393 639730 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to solve the first 100 out of 200 levels of tsume shogi so far.
< 1614757521 465031 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a similar game to chess.
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< 1614760200 317542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly I want to play Logication again
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> 1614777862 159975 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Self%ify14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81139 5* 03Mario 5* (+1678) 10Created page with "<h1>SELF%IFY...</h1> Is unique because the source, STDIN, and STDOUT are all the same, however, this does not remove any abilities, and if anything, actually <em>adds</em> to..."
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> 1614779022 178933 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Mario 5*  10moved [[022cmd10]] to [[Third Party Contractor Accused Of A Robbery]]: Name change
> 1614779052 511096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072cmd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81142&oldid=81141 5* 03Mario 5* (-57) 10Blanked the page
> 1614779106 792689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Mario 5*  10moved [[022cmd10]] to [[Empty page]]
> 1614779415 230707 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Third Party Contractor Accused Of A Robbery14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81145&oldid=81140 5* 03Mario 5* (+64) 10
> 1614779462 708949 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Mario 5*  10moved [[02Empty page10]] to [[TPCAR]]
> 1614779503 892705 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TPCAR14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81148&oldid=81146 5* 03Mario 5* (+57) 10Redirected page to [[Third Party Contractor Accused Of a Robbery]]
> 1614779538 1088 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TPCAR14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81149&oldid=81148 5* 03Mario 5* (+0) 10Changed redirect target from [[Third Party Contractor Accused Of a Robbery]] to [[Third Party Contractor Accused Of A Robbery]]
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> 1614781668 603632 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Mario14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81150&oldid=81127 5* 03Mario 5* (+1) 10
> 1614782400 141007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07V14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81151&oldid=80531 5* 03Bo Tie 5* (+150) 10turing complete, cool
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> 1614785420 535853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03JustJude 5*  10New user account
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> 1614785951 58097 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81153&oldid=81106 5* 03JustJude 5* (+105) 10/* Introductions */
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< 1614788748 23235 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL about a xor linked list
< 1614788767 803262 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that’s fabulous though I probably won’t need that trick ever
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< 1614788888 687744 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume one can traverse the list in increments of ±1, …, ±(2^n − 1) by adding xor-link fields for increments of 2, 4 and so on?
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< 1614789121 207532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds likely, but it'd make any deletions and insertions real expensive.
< 1614789143 591189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not "real" expensive, but anyway more complex.
< 1614789230 490066 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no, it seems several layers don’t help each other: say we came to 4 from 2, then we can come to 6 but we can’t come to 3 or 5
< 1614789282 775731 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we probably need to change what we xor together, when we make several layers, hm
< 1614789331 414191 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like one layer is ±1, the other is ±1 and ±2, the third is ±1 and ±2 and ±4
< 1614789346 878341 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, not much help though
< 1614789401 998788 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that list is more of a curio
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> 1614793677 317631 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LongDick14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81154 5* 03Cybertelx 5* (+1340) 10Longest dick.
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< 1614795804 829811 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<arseniiv> I presume one can traverse the list in increments of ±1, …, ±(2^n − 1) by adding xor-link fields for increments of 2, 4 and so on?" => I don't think you can do that. even in theory.
< 1614795819 674611 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even for just traversing an existing list.
< 1614795881 783620 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see I'm slow, you already realized that
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< 1614797553 609910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could go all the way using the skip links, you just couldn't transition into a smaller step size (without extra "conversion" links that'd probably defeat the point).
< 1614797623 591673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you could have a xor-linked list where every N'th node is a special "fat" node that has as extra fields one xor-linked list of the fat nodes, and one field holding (prev-fat ^ next-skinny) so that you can "step down", though.
< 1614797659 781607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or step up, if you're coming from the neighbouring skinny node.)
< 1614799475 498779 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah. or just use a balanced tree.
< 1614799482 126303 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer balanced tree.
< 1614799505 36666 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I must admit, a skip list has some practicality
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> 1614804714 102094 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81156&oldid=81153 5* 03Kefalonia 5* (+211) 10Hello, I am Fotis. I'm behind Linux's Coffee Howto with SBN2 and I generally experiment with SBN2, SBN3 & SBN4 oisc models.
> 1614805173 701253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81157&oldid=80733 5* 03Kefalonia 5* (+231) 10explain SBN variants
> 1614805242 518076 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81158&oldid=81157 5* 03Kefalonia 5* (+4) 10aka. subneg in a more readable place
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< 1614805969 262064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether Growing Space is NP-hard (what I've seen so far is in NP simply because the solution length is bounded by the level size)
< 1614806023 205116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1614806027 900623 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Room to Grow, I mean
> 1614806201 492056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SBN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81159&oldid=74666 5* 03Kefalonia 5* (+378) 10explaining sbn
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< 1614806717 592736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting, that does limit it more than Sokoban.
< 1614806752 799293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the property that you can (mostly) read the transcript of the solution from a picture of the final state.
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< 1614808694 127657 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:25:48 <arseniiv> TIL about a xor linked list
< 1614808695 808648 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL
< 1614808740 295482 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and about doing larger steps 
< 1614808779 586418 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one ICFPC about digging the ground and collecting the gold
< 1614808853 323051 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1st place was taken by a team of one who was coding in C++ and he used such lists that had 2^n length links
< 1614808871 153386 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that wasn't even a list, that was a tree
< 1614808916 907161 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk how he decided how many steps back he needed but it was said that was an important optimizing thing
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< 1614809625 176705 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so. I have not played the game, although I saw the animation, and I can see how the game is working.
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> 1614812140 469588 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SBN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81160&oldid=81159 5* 03Kefalonia 5* (+291) 10provide URLs
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< 1614814739 773394 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any ICFP contest winners using assembly language, or any programming language they make up themself, or any esoteric programming language? Has anyone used it without winning?
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< 1614816955 442995 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a weird PM again
< 1614817037 872562 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :send it to 4 friends
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> 1614818632 547636 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:TheSingularity14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81161 5* 03Emerald 5* (+141) 10/* Help! */ new section
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< 1614831438 297742 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should be made a programming language for defining solitaire card games? I had a few ideas about it, but not all.
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< 1614835185 193088 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe wiki has examples
< 1614835292 312535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What are your ideas?
< 1614835299 749537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote octopus
< 1614835301 594501 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :179) <zzo38> Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) \ 208) <zzo38> ais523: Maybe it is better, because I don't think the octopus will live very well in the tree. But the difference is that the Internet is lying and you cannot see such things; you could make modified picture, though, in order to lie more clearly, at least.
< 1614835323 295154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can your language express Sandwich - The Card Game and Professional Octopus of the World?
< 1614835453 509351 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You can define different kind of objects, including zones, games, and commands, and you can define rules such as movable and receivable for each zone, which are pure functions of the game and will be true or false, and events, and optionally global variables. For example, in Freecell, the free cells can each receive one card when empty. This might be "vac&:1" or maybe the syntax might differ.
< 1614835506 716389 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" are solitaire card games, then it is expected that they would be implementable. (It is OK if it uses a subset of the common deck, multiple decks, or a different deck such as a tarot deck; it is not limited to a common deck of cards.)
< 1614835582 6547 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote rasel
< 1614835583 272202 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1614835741 217374 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have better ideas?
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> 1614838265 303249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81162&oldid=81054 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+620) 10/* Implementations */  Lazy K implementation, and alpha-sort sections
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> 1614845582 463832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81163&oldid=81107 5* 03Trump Bot 5* (+197) 10
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> 1614850383 412740 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SansCipher 5*  10New user account
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< 1614856960 648049 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "Sandwich" is one common word, so it is already used as the name of a card game: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/80933/sandwich . That's from 2012, when is the quote from?
< 1614857393 813188 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quote is revision 0, which is from 2012 where the HackEso repo in the live HackEso was cut, so it might precede that card game
< 1614857413 105988 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Professional Octopus of the World" is a good one, seems unused so far
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< 1614866336 805476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the relevant name isn't "Sandwich", it's "Sandwich - The Card Game".
< 1614866453 214699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is grammaphobic.
< 1614866456 182141 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is grammaphobic.
< 1614866515 138100 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: makes sense, you could absolutely have a video game based on a real or fictional card game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" or perhaps even an anime based on a fictional card game called "Sandwich - The Card Game"
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< 1614885859 817566 :UstinLVO!bca36de6@188.163.109.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. Do you know any esolang whose character set is restricted to DEC SIXBIT? Except Brainfuck and similar Turing tarpits - I'm looking for something like GolfScript
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< 1614888567 318884 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you encountered 60 degree angles in Room to Grow?
< 1614888662 271348 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (24+1+3+0+27+1+3+1+20, 24+1+5+1+31+1+5+1+38+1)
< 1614888664 586459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (80,108)
< 1614888699 415247 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 80/108*100
< 1614888702 162889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 74.07407407407408
< 1614888820 434381 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(108 is the expected number of stars to earn... that I can see, maybe there are surprise levels somewhere)
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< 1614890138 143471 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like “if (x == y) return x; else return NULL;” (say) make me unsuccesfully contemplating how to make the code truly symmetric with regard to x and y
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< 1614890249 700137 :UstinLVO!bca36de6@188.163.109.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (x == y) return (x | y); else return NULL;
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< 1614890274 255580 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UstinLVO: that won’t do for x, y of arbitrary type!
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< 1614890324 155578 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately
< 1614890328 930154 :UstinLVO!bca36de6@188.163.109.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1614890334 513822 :esolang5784937!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open esolang question: https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/48349/is-this-variant-of-bitwise-cyclic-tag-turing-complete
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< 1614890462 39465 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are inefficient variants like “xs = sort([x, y]); return len(xs) == 1 ? xs[0] : NULL” (btw that’s just a C-like syntax, I picked it for universality)
< 1614890502 399055 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops that doesn’t work like I meant
< 1614890511 199371 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need take something like set([x, y])
< 1614890580 114583 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be an actually good thing when there are arbitrarily many elements, and also it works as expected when there are 0 and 1 elements
< 1614890602 422345 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the special case of two or a handful of elements, well…
< 1614890655 121457 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe languages would be better to have some form of that thing as a primitive
< 1614890919 659650 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm now that I think of it, by default there *is* asymmetry, x and y may be equal but have different representations, even if not observable by us in any way
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< 1614901585 111310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oops, missed that.
< 1614901600 415830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, last new mechanic I saw was steps of different sizes.
< 1614901646 608182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished all of Forest but I think only about half of Mountain so far, and just a bit of Desert.
< 1614901653 352802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Okay, it's just a bit further in the desert.
< 1614901664 659130 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished Forest+ in the meantime.
< 1614901701 908006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :o the 3+0 is 5+1 now; the rest is unchanged
< 1614901707 430199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done any of that yet.
< 1614901739 437876 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it is a cute puzzle game
< 1614901753 104535 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite as epic as the monstrous one
< 1614901762 886139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: i,i if let z = unify(x, y) return z; else return NULL;
< 1614901829 376351 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is good! I thought about something like this but didn’t came to think it’s actually just unification
< 1614901854 364325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where by "unify" I mean, hmm, something that returns the value if both arguments are equal, otherwise fails.
< 1614901866 976391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So of course the implementation of unify still needs to do the thing you don't like.
< 1614901883 790037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway introducing a new name is "symmetric" but seems worse to me than using x.
< 1614901900 41122 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> So of course the implementation of unify still needs to do the thing you don't like. => yep that’s the catch too :(
< 1614901928 440612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can imagine this as a string diagram sort of thing, where unify takes two input and has one (unlabeled) output.
< 1614901952 591993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that sort of corresponds to linear types, where unify consumes both its arguments, or something.
< 1614902001 350292 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm interesting link
< 1614902041 978005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway these are all bad answers.
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< 1614906263 877231 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever make up your own puzzle games too?
> 1614906779 908898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Length14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81179&oldid=79963 5* 03Nailuj29 5* (+9) 10add new website
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< 1614914675 299196 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempting to use a Repl in an undocumented language from 1996 is not the easiest thing in the world
< 1614914683 540184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even figure out the #help command
< 1614914702 99434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? brings up help and says that #help does the same. #help doesn't work
< 1614915774 124626 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming language is that?
< 1614916061 827998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Man, Ada has some pretty fancy features!
< 1614916067 682244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't you tell me about them sooner?
< 1614916081 171955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, in addition to having generic types, it has generic packages.
< 1614916091 746279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can parameterize an entire package on a type.
< 1614916178 432823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ActiveVRML
< 1614916229 605016 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow VRML
< 1614916232 777397 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a blast from the past
< 1614916276 545137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ActiveVRML is distinct from VRML. ActiveVRML was Microsoft's proposal for what VRML 2 should look like. It was rejected in favor of a proposal called "Moving Worlds"
< 1614916328 218543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... think ActiveVRML's core concepts were eventually incorporated into Microsoft Chrome and Chromeffects, then Silverlight. Not sure though
< 1614916347 756740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW there's a very good WebGL-based VRML viewer called X_ITE
< 1614916403 346727 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1614916451 608227 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know if you ever find a copy of the "mmmm Yummy Schnitzel" VRML world
< 1614916510 585651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mentions that in Flashpoint discord
< 1614916535 396856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added 3 VRML plugins to Flashpoint, although someone else has been doing most VRML curations
< 1614916548 222414 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i could ever find the HTML tutorial websites I made on Angelfire when I was in middle school
< 1614916622 894616 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Flashpoint?
< 1614916695 597253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/ project that started to archive all Flash games and allow them to be played easily, has now branched out into a lot of various web techs
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< 1614917106 730049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, VRML (and derivatives).
< 1614917137 603820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an official VRML model of Helsinki at some point, I think, as part of some celebration of whatever.
< 1614917207 10028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714335844940513342/817246501691981884/unknown.png ?
< 1614917211 60257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a web chat site of a local radio station that didn't sanitize HTML in messages, so you could embed the virtual city in the chat, and it would pretty much obliterate all the lower-spec computers. Or something along those lines.
< 1614917298 593502 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: looks right
< 1614917310 594728 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is there a way for me to interact with it
< 1614917312 568969 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :including audio
< 1614917326 745251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://web.archive.org/web/19980210093427/http://www.xgw.fi/biz/arcussoft/vhki.htm -- over a megabyte!
> 1614917708 608883 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MUSYS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81181&oldid=74572 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-3) 10/* Contemporary */   backslash to output expr register does not have to be in a string
< 1614918216 214174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The audio wasn't archived. Would have been at http://www.vruniverse.com/vrml/schnitzel/schnitzel.wav
< 1614918421 897379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you have it in cache somewhere?
< 1614918719 578623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459969018082754560/817252600108810260/Wiener_Schnitzel.7z
< 1614918803 696581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This won't be in Flashpoint proper until after it updates, whenever that is (could be months from now), but you could import this into Flashpoint now. I don't know how well it works on non-Windows though. There is a support channel for it and I'm sure people played with WINE. Or you could extract the files and use a VRML viewer
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< 1614926970 398860 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/0
< 1614926972 585326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity
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< 1614927015 200801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN
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< 1614931046 612552 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are any solitaire card games including jokers?
> 1614931832 417621 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ReplayShells14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81183&oldid=80497 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+324) 10
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< 1614936557 155995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh man, this 60° angle thing is awful.
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< 1614936955 351180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I like level 22.
< 1614937053 906589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. 24 is making this all wackadoodle.
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< 1614946009 763348 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah you have surpassed me there... I went back to other areas, desert 21-23 are still unsolved
< 1614946032 773802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you've done many more levels than I have, I was just curious about what's ahead.
< 1614946211 157498 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1614946272 780041 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :87/108 is my count (including 5 stars from the level sets themselves)
< 1614946301 228816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/stars/potential stars/
< 1614946343 838132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh.
< 1614946349 445391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done any Forest+ or anything+.
< 1614946400 585356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad Steam and this game takes forever to start up.
< 1614946757 702460 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have put over 6 hours into the game too
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< 1614949339 179120 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah I see what you mean about 24 :)
< 1614949364 224656 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was to be expected
< 1614949364 589964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like that's the point where the real puzzles start, or something.
< 1614949412 863670 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the common theme among varying lengths and varying angles are arbitrary vectors
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< 1614949467 480417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I didn't express that very well.
< 1614949602 954391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next it'll have you solve lattice reduction problems.
< 1614950439 594083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 did that already :P
< 1614950479 608339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also noticed that you can push the cactus out of bounds... so it's no longer obvious that the puzzle is in NP.
< 1614950512 835405 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bounds" being the border of the screen
< 1614950583 19645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, interesting, I don't think I saw that yet.
< 1614950666 288381 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think up to this point all puzzles have been fully enclosed
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< 1614964813 347124 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay, reached the end, finished Mountains{,+} and only 8 Desert levels left...
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< 1614967696 428382 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 30*300
< 1614967697 348763 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 9000
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< 1614988034 238779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: All grown up, 108/108 stars :)
< 1614988055 581857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of stars!
< 1614988119 68716 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.9h according to Steam
< 1614988201 612549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, as mentioned before, every level and every level set shows a star when completed... there's no display of that number anywhere though.
< 1614988448 655642 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a surprisingly good puzzle game I find... if not the most difficult. It has a good difficulty curve, it allows progress without solving all puzzles and somehow it stopped before the puzzles felt repetetive.
< 1614988514 353461 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the downside the growing process is hard to visualize so there's a lot of trial and error in favor of planning and thinking
< 1614988548 947279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe that's how it becomes less repetitive? Hard to say.
< 1614988649 255644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the angles started getting wackadoodle I felt like I needed a lot of trial and error especially.
< 1614988660 408034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to know where the head lands after a few operations.
< 1614988849 524915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. though you can use vector addition to prune the search space a lot
< 1614989935 233014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game?
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< 1614990502 273552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Room to Grow
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< 1614992370 443927 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(steam, not itch.io)
< 1614992431 837393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found 3 games with that name in total)
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> 1614993373 259989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ReplayShells14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81188&oldid=81184 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+104) 10Add HQ9+ short
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> 1614996293 575673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81189&oldid=80958 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+1353) 10/* Example programs */ added a square root calculator program
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< 1614998584 569454 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of other ideas about programming language for solitaire card game too, such as the possibility of static analysis, which can be used to classify open games, and possibly other things. If it is written as predicates for each zone, then it can also easily be checked that there are no more legal moves, or if there is more than one way to make a specific kind of move, just by trying each one.
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< 1614998612 10160 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A specialized programming language also makes such things as save games, undo, etc, implementing more easily than using a general purpose programming language.
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> 1615008343 522655 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Macron14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81193 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+26) 10Created page with "[[Macron]] does not exist."
> 1615008371 529141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bee literally apioforming informational page14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81194 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+85) 10Created page with "[[Bee literally apioforming informational page]] is a WIP esolang documentation page."
> 1615008912 481487 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Categorial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81195&oldid=79300 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+66) 10Undo revision 79215 by [[Special:Contributions/Int-e|Int-e]] ([[User talk:Int-e|talk]])
> 1615008973 589675 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Categorial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81196&oldid=81195 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+1) 10remove osmarks.tk from existence and collective human memory retroactively, update to osmarks.net
> 1615009270 77901 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81197&oldid=45995 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+169) 10categories
> 1615009627 484219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81198&oldid=81164 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+136) 10
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< 1615010098 527367 :Heav!5284dbb8@82-132-219-184.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello. is anyone here?
< 1615010465 520149 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1615010605 847795 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on, now.
< 1615010618 45536 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a better question?
> 1615010800 315701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MUSYS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81199&oldid=81181 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+0) 10/* Historical */ Fix typo copied from original source (Blog).
< 1615010907 212282 :Heav!5284dbb8@82-132-219-184.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, only worse ones.
< 1615011022 662276 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too bad
< 1615012091 55310 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked before about a level export format. Now I came up with this:  http://sprunge.us/ZZugOV  It isn't JSON or CSV, but it does seems a simple enough text based format. (The internal format for storing levels is different and much smaller files; this is just the export format. Also, the internal format has one field (the "level version" field) which is not present in the export format.)
< 1615012180 182146 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
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> 1615018691 489357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81201&oldid=81105 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-35) 10bug fix thx jo king
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< 1615020964 7665 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that cstheory question's been answered
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< 1615035612 993716 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that cstheory question's been answered
< 1615035620 969812 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops accident
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> 1615038954 664954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Half-Broken Car in Heavy Traffic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81204&oldid=81203 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-4) 10/* Language overview */ Why were there equal signs?
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< 1615096221 577922 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some time ago someone mentioned two dimensional regular expressions. I had thought of some ideas about that too, because I intended to add a similar feature into Free Hero Mesh.
< 1615096716 603273 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an interesting idea
< 1615096719 800709 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work?
< 1615096847 592549 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I had is that it contains directions, which can be relative or absolute. It can also have loops and alternation like ordinary regular expressions, as well as some other things, such as callouts.
< 1615097121 33098 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the basic idea is not so difference from one dimensional regular expressions, except that the match can be in any direction and can change directions too.
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< 1615120930 210427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. I've got this automated backup thing that reads org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.IdleHint and .IdleSinceHint to only run when the computer's been idle for at least two hours, but now it's somehow broken again and thinks it hasn't been idle since Feb 28.
< 1615120938 451180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been unable to find any real documentation how exactly "idleness" is measured.
< 1615121034 288739 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( maybe you need to set up a cron job that resets the idle counter )
< 1615121106 506461 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows nothing about this business.
< 1615121137 579882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to "just work", so I didn't bother trying to figure out how exactly it knows.
< 1615121158 992826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's got something to do with logind "sessions".
< 1615121266 938647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are per-session idle hints as well, and looks like I've got two active sessions, one of which says it's been non-idle since I woke up (fair enough), and the other which says it's been non-idle since Feb 27, so it's presumably that other session that's the problem.
< 1615121358 799107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of the sessions say they are "lightdm-xsession" sessions on the same display (:0). The okay-behaving one says it's in "active" state, but the other's in "closing" state.
< 1615121386 786808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess that probably means there's some lingering process that got started in the "old" session that's keeping it alive.
< 1615121483 682953 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... loginctl show-session? Ah, unsurprisingly that hint shows my login time. :P
< 1615121541 847058 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just have a plain fvwm2 which I suspect is too old for this crap, or maybe would need some more gnome* stuff to support this.)
< 1615121601 518300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a reasonably "plain" XMonad as well, but I think either xss-lock or xsecurelock does the necessary magic to mark it as idle when it's locked.
< 1615121650 859563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine there's some way to see which processes are part of "session-2.scope", so I could figure out why that other session is still in "closing" state.
< 1615121697 397125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, `systemctl status session-2.scope`
< 1615121782 714353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shows there's a CGroup that contains `adb -L tcp:5037 fork-server server --reply-fd 4` in it. So I guess I did some adb stuff, then restarted X (I vaguely remember doing that for some reason), and that thing stayed there.
< 1615121788 700711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much magic.
< 1615121828 756551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, after `adb kill-server` the other session has now closed. Mystery solved, *and* complaining about it to IRC helped again.
< 1615121941 48824 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... where'd my xdm go
< 1615122182 629076 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go... systemctl said it got killed by SIGUSR2 on startup? and it didn't clean up its lock file, grmbl.
< 1615122264 95482 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I bet xdm won't do anything about keeping track of idle states either :)
< 1615122364 324601 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but this way it's honest about it: IdleHint=no
< 1615122365 227755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. I think it's xss-lock doing it for me, for the record.
< 1615122385 371124 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas before I guess it tracked activity in the shell where I did startx.
< 1615122404 584450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unsurprisingly, there was no such activity at all)
< 1615122426 726323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's got a `static void logind_session_set_idle_hint(gboolean idle);` function in the code.
< 1615122446 777492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IdleHint is a boolean where false ("no"?) means "not idle". IdleSinceHint says when the IdleHint was last changed.
< 1615122554 785909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. Okay, let's `watch` this while I get myself some food :)
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< 1615126400 240420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, it's not idle yet.
< 1615126432 704021 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: arguably you should be checking all sessions. but it's also bad that that adb kept running
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< 1615133637 271157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: There's a "global" idle hint (/org/freedesktop/login1, org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.Idle(Since)Hint) that combines the information from all sessions; that's the one I'm checking. AFAICT it's idle iff all sessions are idle, that's why the state=closing session was blocking the backups.
< 1615133693 356900 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I misunderstood then, I thought that session counted as idle
< 1615133732 79256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I think it only counts as idle if something explicitly sets it as idle, and there was nothing running in there that could.
< 1615133772 35870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, while the X session is idle because xss-lock sets it so, I wonder how/why SSH sessions become idle too. Because I've occasionally had an SSH session open for weeks/months, and the backups haven't stalled.
< 1615133790 755439 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's all adb's fault then for running in the background without dissociating itself from the session (do cgroups even allow that thoug; maybe not, it could easily break containers...)
< 1615133835 872245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could stop the server when the session gets closed. I think some kind of a signal is even sent for that? But maybe it ignores that.
< 1615133882 289961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The upshot is... I have a few pieces of these puzzles but no picture of how they fit together as a whole.
< 1615133934 194641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here. I opened a SSH session, and it's IdleHint = False, IdleSinceHint = time of login.
< 1615133993 372892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which makes sense, since what else could it be, but how's that not blocking the backups then?)
< 1615134209 178787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A random systemd github issue suggests logind detects idleness for sessions with a TTY by watching the mtime of the associated TTy device (!), so maybe it becomes idle if that crosses some threshold.
< 1615134666 235228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay, I got sidetracked by all these other DBus interfaces that this graphical introspection tool (`d-feet`) is showing. I can see my mouse's battery charging level here!
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< 1615145981 197485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that untouched SSH session had indeed become idle. And when I pressed a key in it, it became non-idle. So it does Just Work™ for TTY-type sessions.
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< 1615149111 923344 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess it worked that way in UNIX times already... `who` displays idle times and I never wondered where it got those.
< 1615149130 513188 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mtime of the tty makes a lot of sense
< 1615150520 524909 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my computer the idle column for "who" command just says "old"
< 1615151146 35014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... I *think* who assumes that c[hange]time = time of login, a[ccess]time = time of last input (so this corresponds to idle time), and m[odify]time = time of last output, when looking at a user's controlling pty
< 1615151162 221794 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 'old' is printed when atime is before ctime.
< 1615151205 88177 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK.
< 1615151276 977983 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm there are some oddities... like ^C not counting as an input. (I guess that's an ioctl, not a write)
< 1615151310 288753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm looking at a PTY, not a "real" tty)
< 1615158725 782825 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next thing to write in Free Hero Mesh is figuring out what is wrong with some levels involving the $SeekerCloser class in the FALLING puzzle set.
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< 1615165516 60838 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should thank Everett Kaser (although I doubt that he will read this) for implementing the message trace window, although it has some bugs, including the inability to use ALT+letters (even though the letters are underlined), the inability to print to a file (trying results in a division by zero error), and inability to see the MsgArg2 value (the horizontal scrolling limit is wrong, which hides it).
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< 1615202754 725360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[e:User:Trump Bot]] is a troll, right?
< 1615202766 128097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Trump_Bot
< 1615202795 337192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to give them the benefit of the doubt, but they don't seem to be here for constructive esolang-related posts
> 1615202812 841481 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81217&oldid=81216 5* 03Ais523 5* (-549) 10Undo revision 81216 by [[Special:Contributions/Trump Bot|Trump Bot]] ([[User talk:Trump Bot|talk]]): this website is about esolangs, you don't seem to be here to talk about those?
> 1615202867 441537 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wenyan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81218&oldid=81182 5* 03Ais523 5* (-149) 10Undo revision 81182 by [[Special:Contributions/Trump Bot|Trump Bot]] ([[User talk:Trump Bot|talk]]): probably not a constructive edit
< 1615202978 511382 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 you could program with american presidents
< 1615202993 872947 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use them like functions
> 1615203030 723018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Trump Bot14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81219 5* 03Ais523 5* (+656) 10warning
< 1615203058 466657 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one reverses the sequences/arrays, another one destroys things, another one builds
< 1615203103 868970 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/functions/procedures
< 1615203136 899541 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they all make side effects all over the place
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> 1615207098 56511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User talk:ColorfulGalaxy/Shakespeare keywords dictionary10]]": userspace page not created by the owner of the userspace / without the permission of the owner of the userspace
> 1615207121 958017 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User talk:ColorfulGalaxy/Mornington Crescent keywords dictionary10]]": userspace page not created by the owner of the userspace / without the permission of the owner of the userspace
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> 1615209017 987053 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bee literally apioforming informational page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81220&oldid=81194 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10Stub/WIP/Language
> 1615209288 31286 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Third Party Contractor Accused Of A Robbery14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81221&oldid=81145 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+142) 10Cats, stub
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> 1615220568 42545 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Built-out14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81222 5* 03Bo Tie 5* (+913) 10Created page with "'''Built-out''' is a stack-based work-in-progress esoteric programming language created by [[User:Bo Tie]] that appears to have built-ins, but doesn't.  == Commands == Before..."
> 1615220771 893692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Built-out14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81223&oldid=81222 5* 03Bo Tie 5* (+62) 10Interpreter
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< 1615226718 241590 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1128
< 1615226720 888279 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1128.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
< 1615226933 708640 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh list
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< 1615227331 284632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean 1228, not 1128
< 1615227407 67188 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :drat
< 1615227411 860642 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\indeed, 1228
< 1615227456 39687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typoing/thinkoing an xxy pattern as xyy or vice versa seems to be one of the most common mistakes when trying to copy down arbitrary strings of characters/digits
< 1615227913 269169 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺
< 1615227937 399282 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is probably the Reason why xyzzy is the magic Word in ADVENT
< 1615228453 625921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one theory that I've seen is that it's part of a mnemonic for calulating the cross product
< 1615228465 948270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the x component of the result is y1z2-z1y2)
< 1615228472 420816 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I read that too
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< 1615233980 490657 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Night!
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> 1615236040 491189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81224&oldid=79658 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+368) 10Added new server
> 1615236075 373507 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81225&oldid=81224 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+8) 10Added word "current"
> 1615236536 386708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Trump Bot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81226&oldid=81219 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+162) 10
> 1615236822 103053 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[073x14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81227&oldid=77941 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+107) 10Categories
> 1615236936 736015 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[073x14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81228&oldid=81227 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (-3) 10I think this is turing complete, actually.
> 1615237215 85956 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81229&oldid=81192 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (-15) 10updation
> 1615237274 161733 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81230&oldid=76829 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+0) 10
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> 1615240012 918132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81231&oldid=58893 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+154) 10
> 1615241281 805695 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Interlude14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81232 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3309) 10Add Interlude
> 1615241304 339783 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81233&oldid=81082 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10/* I */ +[[Interlude]]
> 1615241323 891549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81234&oldid=81231 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+886) 10/* Someone should change the featured language. */ Opinions.
> 1615241332 183448 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81235&oldid=80717 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10/* Languages */ +[[Interlude]]
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< 1615241358 838217 :heavpoot!~heavpoot@82-132-219-49.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is with Trump Bot.
< 1615241373 722719 :heavpoot!~heavpoot@82-132-219-49.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't exactly tell their motive.
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< 1615242874 755526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea either. The comment with the link to the conwaylife.com forums was pretty odd. If it's *actually* a piece of software, it's an odd one.
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< 1615251900 24909 :Guest56_!~textual@107.152.102.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO zzo38
< 1615251911 292480 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, what question today?
< 1615252002 331277 :Guest56_!~textual@107.152.102.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice to see you around here, I didn't know you were on esoteric as well. I ocassionally read your posts on the Usenet. Is Sqlnetnews still being maintained?
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< 1615252076 976091 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I am working on a different project (Free Hero Mesh) at this time, although later I may work on sqlnetnews more. If you have any contributions or suggeations, then you may write where I may read them.
< 1615252112 148688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Free Hero Mesh?
< 1615252132 317439 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a puzzle game engine, for grid-based puzzle games such as sokoban and Hero Hearts.
< 1615252160 726484 :Guest56_!~textual@107.152.102.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds intresting - is it avaliable for download or something?
< 1615252204 189448 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also meant to be compatible with puzzles from Everett Kaser's Hero Mesh (once they are converted), although it also has many new features too (including dynamic types, higher limits, etc).
< 1615252227 535141 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest56_: There is a Fossil repository at: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/heromesh.ui
< 1615252275 223156 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in a state ready for testing, although it isn't close to complete yet.
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< 1615252605 213960 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now, I am trying to figure out what is causing some levels of the FALLING puzzle set with the $SeekerCloser class to not work properly.
< 1615252944 344437 :Guest56_!~textual@107.152.102.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI: I am maintaning my own logs of this channel, alongside the ones above
< 1615252946 432579 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if you have any comments, suggestions, bug reports, etc.
< 1615253006 214025 :Guest56_!~textual@107.152.102.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will check your think out zzo
< 1615253008 520120 :Guest56_!~textual@107.152.102.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing
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> 1615255613 409506 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81236&oldid=81123 5* 03Trump Bot 5* (+790) 10
> 1615255641 981878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sertdfyguhi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81237&oldid=79175 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (+16) 10/* esolangs I made */
> 1615255690 718416 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Plts14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81238&oldid=79172 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (-6) 10update github name
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> 1615255746 956467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dotter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81240&oldid=79323 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (-6) 10update github name
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< 1615256409 65609 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRL pixel art  language:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kufic
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< 1615274520 374173 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one reminds me the game on ipad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqNockPqPBg
< 1615274562 687184 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were wires and signals going through them by similar rules
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< 1615279531 819113 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and there is a mirror of the Fossil repository for Free Hero Mesh at http://chiselapp.com/user/zzo38/repository/freeheromesh in case you need it
< 1615280609 875614 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cc -std=c11 temp.c 
< 1615280610 70608 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :temp.c:8:5: warning: implicit declaration of function 'timespec_get' is invalid in C99
< 1615280642 671370 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't cc agree to use the C11? it seems to understand the flag but the warning says...
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< 1615281032 45660 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same error with the snippet from https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/chrono/timespec_get while there on page their snippet runner compiles it fine with clang c11
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< 1615281155 565515 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I press the "Share" button to get this link https://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/view?id=e84b765e6e9eb6d3and copy the command line from there I get the same error
< 1615281168 485441 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's smth with my compiler but I didn't touch it...
< 1615281259 641402 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have clang 5.0 while mine is Apple LLVM version 10.0.1 (clang-1001.0.46.4) though and I don't know a shit about how do they correlate
< 1615283360 876054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MADV_FREE is a kind of bizarre API.
< 1615283382 706597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should probably be set up to that either reads or writes give you the page, not just writes.
< 1615283410 97256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is you can have the odd behavior that you read a value from memory that's nominally available, and then you wait a while, and the value is different.
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< 1615287683 683207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: The "implicit declaration -- invalid in C99" warning (in Clang) is badly worded, and really just means "invalid *since* C99". But I don't know the actual cause of your problem; with my Clang, -std=c11 successfully adds timespec_get to the declarations from <time.h>, it just still gives the same warning for actually unknown names.
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< 1615315083 884396 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the difference between aleatoric and stochastic
< 1615315346 715366 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( aleatoric sounds more musical. also I had to look it up. )
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> 1615328661 862378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81251&oldid=81236 5* 03Ais523 5* (-790) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Trump Bot|Trump Bot]] ([[User talk:Trump Bot|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Ais523|Ais523]]
> 1615328731 127112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10blocked [[02User:Trump Bot10]] with an expiration time of 3 days (account creation disabled, email disabled): looks like this user is just here to troll / advertise other forums, not to post constructively; temporary block to give them a chance to cool down / improve, but I'm not hopeful
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< 1615329556 162806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: MADV_FREE is, in effect, basically "make it so that reading from any address in this range before it is next written is undefined behaviour"
< 1615329569 108916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a useful thing to do to allow the kernel to optimise the use of the physical memory backing it)
< 1615329589 162026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you can't have *actual* undefined behaviour at the user/kernel interface because that might lead to security bugs, so instead they document the possible behaviours
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< 1615329624 91365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a particular claim someone made that they read a zero at the beginning of the page, wrote to the page, and then read a nonzero from the same place.
< 1615329632 236416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a situation I'm skeptical about.
< 1615329680 112657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that a) the API definition should allow that as a possible sequence of events in theory, but b) there is no reason to implement the kernel in such a way that that sequence of events would happen in practice
< 1615329699 3656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, why not have it set up so that either a read or a write faults, and keeps the page as-is?
< 1615329707 206558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the possible exception of kernel builds on which non-zeroed memory can be allocated
< 1615329742 162139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: modifying page tables is expensive, even taking into account the length of time a system call takes
< 1615329743 529353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell that should only affect people who read from "uninitialized" memory, making the system more predictable, at no particular cost to anyone else.
< 1615329753 474083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't they modifying the page tables anyway?
< 1615329755 625470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess they need to be modified regardless so that you can detect writes
< 1615329758 713953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1615329814 759406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Linux has an API for allocating uninitialized memory, but it's normally ifdeffed out by default for security reasons, and is only really there for high-performance embedded systems which don't care about security between processes)
< 1615329864 718220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But I don't think that's the situation here.
< 1615329910 519654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A person is saying, maybe this is a dirty page allocated by the same process, and therefore it doesn't contain zeros, but you can still get it without a security problem.
< 1615329917 918725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think Linux does anything like that.
< 1615329923 262109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I
< 1615329937 347338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than MADV_FREE, I mean, which only works this way if you keep the page in place.
< 1615329977 121548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MADV_FREE isn't an allocation API, it's a deallocation API
< 1615330046 673626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can think of it either way.
< 1615330074 37048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of an optimized version of mmapping a new anonymous page at the same address.
< 1615330088 39406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1615330115 1683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite madvise option is MADV_HUGEPAGE which seems to actually have a noticeable performance impact in some programs
< 1615330145 158532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1615330147 354650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet basically nothing uses it
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< 1615330164 32201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes vmsplice(2) noticeably faster, but nobody uses vmsplice either
< 1615330171 383888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I really tried to use huge pages for performance, you had to use hugetlbfs, I think.
< 1615330182 831408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as I remember it didn't make much of a difference. But maybe I wasn't careful enough.
< 1615330209 121592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vmsplice is only for pipes, right?
< 1615330212 333928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1615330238 360117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge pages make pagewalks faster (most notably, recovering from a TLB flush, but some memory management operations make the kernel pagewalk)
< 1615330259 625266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they force memory management operations to have a larger granularity, so when you're using them, you have to be very careful to avoid anything that might cause a page copy
< 1615330265 678365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you lose all your performance advantage
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< 1615330331 729194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I've discovered recently is that the way to optimise I/O from the writer's point of view depends a lot on what is reading the data, and how it's being read
< 1615330349 460541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, whether the data is going to be read out of your L1/L2/L3 cache or not
< 1615330392 955286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't then it makes most sense to stream the data directly to the physical memory that's going to back the kernel's view of it (using mmap for files and vmsplice for pipes, plus nontemporal writes)
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< 1615330846 287627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this was in a situation that should have benefited from huge pages (a database that managed its own cache).
< 1615331032 113167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think the largest benefits would be for, e.g., the memory backing large linked lists
< 1615331055 335472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically anything that makes a complete mockery of caches
< 1615331085 195237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something is cache-efficient then there won't be a large gain for hugepages because the TLB would be generally working pretty quickly anyway, so there isn't much to optimise
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< 1615331106 526115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than recovery from TLB flushes, which I think the kernel does a pretty good job of reducing the frequency of nowadays)
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< 1615348056 623102 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next in the GURPS game I play, we are against someone who can control time and (usually) avoid all of our attacks. I thought to destroy the tower, but I don't have any means to do so.
< 1615348091 355584 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought to use area attacks or explosives to hurt him, but I don't have any. But now I thought to make some sort of temporal paradox, maybe.
< 1615348148 840293 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ziveruskex is a mathematician (and rather advanced for his time), so might be able to do something. Do you know?
< 1615348205 396478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does he control time?
< 1615348316 113528 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. (If I knew, then I might know how to supress his power, too.) But, he had been able to skip time in order to move faster (without actually increasing his velocity or teleporting), force us backward (a kind of involuntary mental time travel, I suppose), get more turns than us, and he once managed to disappear while stunned.
< 1615349297 118587 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie that's weird
< 1615349311 188539 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another guy (who codes in c++ all his life) has no idea either
< 1615349336 265142 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compilers on this machine never malfunctioned -- homebrew and stuff works fine
< 1615349361 641814 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they do some configuration that not everyone knows about
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> 1615352770 38720 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wenyan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81254&oldid=81242 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+3112) 10Fixed link and added more code
> 1615353114 793227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81255&oldid=78503 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+283) 10Added two links
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< 1615358088 631085 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one guy at SO had no problem with timespec_get
< 1615358098 846493 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one says it never worked "because clang sucks"
< 1615358171 839872 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1. docs say it's ok 2. online compiler says ok 3. two guys say ok 4. one says "it never worked" 5. and it does not work for me
< 1615358201 901309 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (4) guy says "you didn't have the problem of compiling such programs because no one uses this function", lol
< 1615358481 405504 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if "clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME" is an equivalent replacement
< 1615358744 531962 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1615360160 644893 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the software I was working on, I have been unable to figure out what is causing a specific problem. I have managed to eliminate some things, but still have not quite figured it out. Even worse, I probably do not have permission to redistribute the test cases.
< 1615360934 291507 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some to Russia -- intellectual property and security is a joke here
< 1615361111 597777 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn movies pirating hackers broke into our Jenkins -- I've found the clues, documented vulnerability, updated the Jenkins, removed their forged user account
< 1615361161 96552 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :told the boss/CTO that the private Github key was exposed, and he should press the button to issue the new one and copy it to Jenkins or give me so I'll copy it
< 1615361205 374473 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said 'oh yeah, sure", the same on the next day, and on the next, and after a week, and month, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't even going to just press a single button to make a new key
< 1615361249 387463 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was the company with the most serious attitude to security among all the places I worked at, lol
< 1615361267 670934 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:22:13 <nakilon> some to Russia
< 1615361269 601846 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*come
< 1615361275 190852 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could purchase the test cases from Everett Kaser, although I don't know if their 32-bit Hero Mesh format is compatible with my software, or if they have changed the levels to difference
< 1615361370 609740 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to speak/write Russion
< 1615361382 37828 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither Russians do
< 1615361413 953153 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know someone who does know how to speak Russian, but not to read/write it)
< 1615361418 615039 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I exaggerate)
< 1615361437 302303 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, how's that possible? to speak and not read?
< 1615361456 274287 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he know only slurs?
< 1615361464 667145 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...isn't speaking much easier than reading?
< 1615361483 28077 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :children only learn reading at about 6 year old, but can learn to speak many years before that
< 1615361512 107200 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, I guess we were learning to speak and talk English in the same age
< 1615361525 756601 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can know some language only for speaking but not reading, or only reading but not speaking. She can speak Russian fine (not only slurs), but not read/write. She can read/write English and French though, as well as speaking those languages.
< 1615361548 74476 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're learning a second language that uses the same alphabet as yours, learning reading and speaking at the same time can be easier because you can use written material
< 1615361548 176944 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only the "my name is" was the thing we were taught before reading but that can't be called a "speaking"
< 1615361583 169757 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're learning a language with a different alphabet, you'll find speaking can be much easier than reading
< 1615361584 876323 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian and English are different alphabets
< 1615361594 825534 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :33 letters vs 26
< 1615361601 747021 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1615361606 991703 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they are; Russian uses the Cyrillic alphabet.
< 1615361708 870125 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't learn how to write the word "Cyrillic" because it uses the same "i" sound three times and while in Russian it's always written the same way in English it's "i", "y", "ee", "ea"...
< 1615361723 322711 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Кириллица
< 1615361807 519434 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the English spelling is messy like that
< 1615361856 176856 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another word that I'll never learn: necessary
< 1615361886 728258 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, if you use more English rather than French words, you could write better with runes, although even then a few words might not match spelling/pronounce, such as "one" and "two".)
< 1615361911 79450 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"women"
< 1615362076 833173 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too
< 1615362336 882631 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In GURPS game, the rules say your character can know speaking a language and reading/writing a language separately, so my character (whose name is Ziveruskex) can speak and read/write English, but only read/write Latin and Greek. (Trying to pronounce Latin words is possible, but will likely be all wrong; if you are not speaking fluently, you will not understand quickly enough what others are saying either, I think.)
< 1615362425 308895 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ziveruskex' sounds like Zverushka in Russian that means "a small cute beast"
< 1615362460 444947 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is a coincidence, and now I know some word in Russian.
< 1615362581 626120 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ewoks from Star Wars are zverushki
< 1615362607 423001 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The name was actually made up using a computer program which just randomly puts groups of letters together and then deduplicates consecutive doubles or triples.)
< 1615362640 355247 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an old cartoon character https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheburashka can be classified as zverushka and you see that suffixes are similar
< 1615362673 742946 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1615362720 983691 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"durak" meaning "fool" can be called "durashka" if you want to tell him that he's a fool but you have no negative attitude to it
< 1615362821 287624 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1615362837 546946 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38shka ..D
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< 1615366286 697656 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh finally I defeated the C
< 1615366288 446282 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol0enAM-fFE
< 1615366315 147885 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean those time functions
< 1615366353 77211 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulated two threads -- one for evolution and one for emiting the frames because stupid ffmpeg can't dup frames to fill the framerate gaps
< 1615366458 564029 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :restarted with reduced frequency of random mutations
< 1615366599 449510 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird black lines on right and bottom borders -- ffmpeg is also stupid in rescaling, and I had to convert from b/w to colors otherwise rescaling was making it all green, lol
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< 1615367809 528609 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh finally three mutations connected, resulting in something more continuous
< 1615368392 389040 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12% CPU and 50MB of RES for ffmpeg, 2.7% of CPU for C -- hopefully can be launched on a server; the only issue is that in 3 weeks there will be an integer overflow in those time routines
< 1615371301 392618 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> my favourite madvise option is MADV_HUGEPAGE which seems to actually have a noticeable performance impact in some programs" => hopefully less and less, as the kernel gets smarter in automatically deciding about hugepages
< 1615371358 443210 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> huge pages make pagewalks faster (most notably, recovering from a TLB flush," => also occupies fewer space in the TLB, so it can cache more, right?
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> 1615380069 337474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lemane14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81256 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+198) 10Created page with "<div style="font: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 48px; text-align: center; background-image: repeating-linear-gradient(180deg, yellow 30%, black 40%); color: light-gray;">U..."
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> 1615380487 320239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03OsmineYT 5*  10moved [[02Lemane10]] to [[LeMane]]: Wrong title capitalization
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> 1615382095 785856 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81259&oldid=81255 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10/* External resources */ Remove useless URL escape
> 1615382592 381370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:LeMane14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81260 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+164) 10Created page with "<div id="head" style="cursor: grab;" ondrag="d = document.getElementById('head'); d.style.cursor = 'grabbed'; d.innerHTML = 'Easter egg!';">Under construction</div>"
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> 1615384470 781169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Interlude14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81261&oldid=81232 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+143) 10/* Dice roll */ Add example
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< 1615387111 17761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: at least on Intel processors, there are actually three separate TLBs, one for each size of page; the 2MiB-page-TLB can generally map a lot more addrecesses than the 4KiB-page-TLB though because it contains a comparable number of entries and each page is so much larger
< 1615387142 547289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for automatically deciding about hugepages, Linux doesn't appear to do that at all at the moment
< 1615387165 295163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you check to see how many huge pages are in use, it generally tells me 0 except when I'm running a program that explicitly MADV_HUGEPAGEs
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> 1615390023 44312 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Qh4os 5*  10New user account
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> 1615390498 114969 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81262&oldid=81253 5* 03Qh4os 5* (+211) 10
> 1615390605 70332 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81263&oldid=80004 5* 03Qh4os 5* (+38) 10/* Implementation */ there should be an integer argument for each '%d' in the format string
< 1615392378 624334 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, but does the cpu need to create entries in the 4k TLB cache lazily for hugepages, entries that don't exist in memory but are autogenerated, or can it just look up addresses directly with the 2MB cache? if the latter, then that's a win for programs that do a lot of random access read on more memory than the 2KB page TLB can support.
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< 1615392393 815105 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it's the latter, but I can't be sure
< 1615392431 863652 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no automatic huge pages at the moment => ok, I see
< 1615392860 806584 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think that there are enough applications with huge memory maps that warrant full HW support for 2MB pages... no crappy simulation through 4kb pages.
< 1615395166 630881 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-i7-nehalem-cpu,2041-11.html "The level 1 data TLB now stores 64 entries for small pages (4K) or 32 for large pages (2M/4M), while the level 1 instruction TLB stores 128 entries for small pages (the same as with Core 2) and seven for large pages."
< 1615395607 81049 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are separate TLBs for the top page table levels and the last level and they've arranged for large pages to not conflict with small ones, hmm. Fun.
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> 1615459594 625942 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page/2 Bits, 1 Byte14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81272 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+1919) 10Created page with "2 Bits, 1 Byte is an assembly language for a 2-bit CPU, made by [[User:Gilbert189]]. With 1 byte of memory, this machine could store at least 2 instructions.  == Operations ==..."
> 1615459635 608571 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Gilbert189 5*  10moved [[02Main Page/2 Bits, 1 Byte10]] to [[2 Bits, 1 Byte]]: why put thus into main page
> 1615466101 687596 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072 Bits, 1 Byte14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81275&oldid=81273 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+587) 10Add interpreter and Quine
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> 1615476143 370028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81276&oldid=81057 5* 031hals 5* (-251) 10remove "self interpreter" because it is wrong
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> 1615494030 156435 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LeMane/temprules14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81278&oldid=81277 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+1) 10
> 1615494704 306155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:LeMane/temprules14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81279 5* 03Nailuj29 5* (+49) 10Created page with "Nailuj29: Is this necessary, we have the discord."
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> 1615496015 217807 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Minion3665 5*  10New user account
> 1615496268 243384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81280&oldid=81262 5* 03Minion3665 5* (+271) 10/* Introductions */
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> 1615496491 349381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UwU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81281&oldid=70227 5* 03Minion3665 5* (-10) 10Fix the ~w~ and w on the table (perhaps they were copied from Ook!?)
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> 1615498507 377896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Main Page/2 Bits, 1 Byte10]]": redirect from unlikely typo (I mean, it happened, but it's still an unlikely typo)
> 1615498649 302115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Em310]]": userfied by author (to [[User:Emerald/sandbox#em3]]); removing the resulting cross-namespace redirect
> 1615498910 157816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:OsmineYT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81282&oldid=80342 5* 03Ais523 5* (+839) 10/* Your empty pages */ new section
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> 1615514092 437964 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Trump Bot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81283&oldid=81226 5* 03Trump Bot 5* (+23) 10
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> 1615529307 806503 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Strucked14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81285 5* 031hals 5* (+1541) 10create page
> 1615529483 848872 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Strucked14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81286&oldid=81285 5* 031hals 5* (+254) 10add math to examples and explain more
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> 1615529672 558233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Strucked14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81287&oldid=81286 5* 031hals 5* (+37) 10add WIP note
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< 1615560158 894894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Website https://esolangs.org/ security certificate expires soon (2.231561476999998e+06 seconds)."
< 1615560161 897410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the formatting of my alerts leaves a little to be desired, but at least it told me. (It's supposed to renew via cron, but I guess it's broken again.)
< 1615560371 865055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what's up with that. It isn't the thing that was wrong once before, which was mixing up the minute/hour fields of crontab and trying to run it on the 37th hour of the day.
< 1615561481 769432 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"expires soon (2.231561476999998e+06 seconds)." -- reminded me the old sub /r/totallynotrobots
< 1615561507 253107 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't fix it
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< 1615563169 366842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2.23e6/86400
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< 1615565314 995895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I set it to start complaining at 30d and have been ignoring it for a few days already.
< 1615565333 393029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The script itself succeeded again, for some reason cron's just not running it.
< 1615565498 780687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's one of those normal Let's Encrypt 3-month certificates, and I set up my own scripts because certbot was kind of rudimentary at the time, so instead of the "run often and renew only when less than a month left" model I've got a "force-renew once a month model". Or would have it cron would behave. It works on all other machines, weird.)
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< 1615569120 283713 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see... I have one certbot setup and one script around acme-tiny, but with working cron.
< 1615569145 21259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the acme-tiny thing came first)
< 1615569317 579371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, well. `journalctl -u cron` says "Logs begin at Mon 2021-03-08", and it's supposed to run on every 7th day of the month, so I guess I won't see if something went wrong there. It's running the other /etc/cron.d/ files just fine. Weird.
< 1615569404 211705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cron.d file just says "1 2 7 * * letsencrypt /var/local/letsencrypt/letsencrypt-cron.sh" and doing "sudo -u letsencrypt /var/local/letsencrypt/letsencrypt-cron.sh" successfully renews the certificates.
< 1615569446 72629 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm but the environment may be different, including $PATH
< 1615569458 472672 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you should get mails?
< 1615569470 745766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Unless there's something wrong with mail delivery from this system.
< 1615569593 821261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've gotten other emails from the system, so it would be specifically cron that's not sending mail right.
< 1615569610 568178 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does the letsencrypt user get those mails?
< 1615569664 856828 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be stupid... but somewtimes things are stupid
< 1615569692 854582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe? I thought I had all role accounts aliased to root and then to me, but that one isn't.
< 1615569708 231493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you might have got it.
< 1615569737 280551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking an earlier cron email from a different system, it's indeed "To: letsencrypt@<anotherhost>.zem.fi".
< 1615569807 264344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that user has 26 emails from cron.
< 1615569809 125388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thanks.)
< 1615569875 210822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, and all those emails say it successfully renewed... oh, wait a minute, maybe it's renewing the cert but failing to reload the web server, because it's missing a sudoers rule to allow it to do that.
< 1615570161 217038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I seem to have two stages... one to get a new certificate, and one that runs as root, copies nthe certificates, and restarts the webserver
< 1615570378 830633 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the cleanest approach
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< 1615573617 643189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I ended up with is, the whole thing runs as 'letsencrypt', there's POSIX filesystem ACLs that allow it to write to the specific cert files in /etc/ssl/letsencrypt/... and sudoers.d rules that allow it to run the specific reload commands.
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< 1615576465 752403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was I convinced that PL/I was a database thing?
< 1615576493 108108 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh PL/SQL. Names too similar
< 1615576749 139471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :". The PDP-7, however, did have a few `auto-increment' memory cells, with the property that an indirect memory reference through them incremented the cell. "
< 1615576752 967022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? what. Weird.
< 1615576860 968220 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no less weird than Intel's movs/cmps/scas
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< 1615576969 40815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I mean "no more", don't I :P
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< 1615577795 637067 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto-increment registers are nice
< 1615579263 322546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course auto-increment registers with a circular buffer modulo support are extra-nice, and bit-reversed auto-increment registers are the nicest.
< 1615579287 813641 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit-reversed?
< 1615579383 461918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DSPs (or at least some; I know the TMS320C54x does) have this thing where you can increment an address register and it'll do the carry bit the wrong way around.
< 1615579390 240486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's to save instructions when doing a FFT.
< 1615579415 6409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, FFT was my guess
< 1615579438 768190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll need normal autoincrement registers as well
< 1615579442 156814 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1615579532 525960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does those as well, of course. And for the bit-reversed mode, you'll need to dedicate AR0 (out of the 8 address registers, AR0..AR7) to holding a bitmask that defines the size of the FFT.
< 1615579567 345390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1615579622 913346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only used a DSP for one tiny university project, and didn't get to use the bit-reversed addressing mode, but at least I got to use the circular buffer one.
< 1615579978 84422 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this old one-instruction language with a memory of words where the instruction is like m[2] = 0 <= (m[m[m[0]++]] -= m[m[m[0]++]]); (but with less undefined behavior from modifying the same cell twice in a statement), only I only ever wrote one small program for it, and that one is buggy. so this has not only the program counter memory-mapped to m[0] but also a comparison flag mapped to m[2]
< 1615580002 941118 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the comparison flag has the value of 0 and 1 so that you can conveniently use it as a conditional goto, or an unconditional goto after you zero a cell
< 1615580033 308951 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also some IO mapped to memory)
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< 1615581613 642039 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was displeased with Thue—Morse sequence and invented my own
< 1615581629 972380 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts 01000111111010111110010000011001111001000001111000010110000101100110010000011110000101100001010100010110000100010001110100011100…
< 1615581724 183799 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :arseniiv
< 1615581923 332397 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule is not too complicated: S(0) = 0, S(n+1) = S(n) ++ ((S(n) + 1) | (S(n) cshr 1)), where + is addition modulo 2^|S(n)| (it shouldn’t overflow when starting with S(0) = 0, though!), | is bitwise or and cshr is cyclical right shift
< 1615581974 885323 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried simpler rules but they give repeat-ish sequences, which is what I was displeased about the original one
< 1615582084 478248 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that start as... 0,01,0110
< 1615582126 515608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you used xor where you wrote or
< 1615582138 979074 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, xor, my bad
< 1615582196 367521 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it indeed cannot overflow becaus S(n) always starts with 0.
< 1615582211 906578 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :my design was that if I take & or |, 0s or 1s will overgrow the sequence further to the right
< 1615582269 944847 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, though I think it’d be good to look at S(0) = 1 and other strings, also I need to take that and fetch it to some statistical tests to know how it looks overall
< 1615582289 335914 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not right now
< 1615582303 812145 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it... the +1 has very limited effect
< 1615582356 569335 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn’t come up with anything better and simply calculated in a couple of minutes
< 1615582404 50146 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :any suggestions! We need more jointly named made-up sequences!
< 1615582446 950636 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I daresay, seqυentions
< 1615582544 293159 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(υ was picked as a sorta middle ground between v and u)
< 1615582834 274414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(0) = 1 hmm. 1 1 11 1111....
< 1615582851 391139 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks boring ;)
< 1615582905 516797 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow I didn’t expect
< 1615582961 545957 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, (all units + 1) is all zeros, and all units shifted is all units, so xor is all units again. Ow ow
< 1615583053 361371 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how do you thing, is there a place to concatenate two sequences of differing lengths? What could we do to them to make lengths different (in the general case)?
< 1615583095 646503 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might skip particular subsequences but that’s too picky and expensive to compute
< 1615583135 521224 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when using ordinary unbounded integers for sequences)
> 1615583260 766945 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Horribly Translated BASIC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81292&oldid=80606 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10/* New keywords */ cats
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< 1615583579 146580 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: sorry I can't get excited about this
< 1615583722 156234 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah no problem at all
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> 1615588865 194499 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81293&oldid=81103 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+7) 10/* Simple Pain Instuctions */
> 1615589342 941063 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81294&oldid=81293 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+139) 10/* List of Instuctions */
> 1615589367 168989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81295&oldid=81294 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+2) 10/* List of Instuctions */
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< 1615595836 24465 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following Free Hero Mesh code http://sprunge.us/tfgIMq seems to not being interpreted correctly (either that or the original has a bug causing it to be interpreted incorrectly, but the behaviour differs either way). This seems to be the only code that isn't working. This is the only code that uses the Delta instruction, but I tested that and that doesn't seem to be the problem.
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< 1615598240 311118 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sup folks.
< 1615598253 392361 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I've invented a new esolang.
< 1615598304 687782 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Thue, but with 3 differences.
< 1615598347 499940 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. If multiple rules can be applied, the one which occurs earliest in the program is the one which is applied. (If a single rule can be applied in multiple different ways, that's still unspecified.)
< 1615598354 702915 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. It's all based on s-expressions instead of strings.
< 1615598384 78128 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. Rules can contain variables. There are two kinds of variables, one which stands for a node, and one which stands for any number of nodes (zero or more).
< 1615598456 295425 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a piece of code for setting a value in a dictionary might look something like...
< 1615598498 162586 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set $key $new_value (@kvps_before ($key $old_value) @kvps_after)) ::= (@kvps_before ($key $new_value) @kvps_after)
< 1615598524 283910 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set $key $new_value (@kvps_before)) ::= (@kvps_before ($key $new_value))
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> 1615616468 195626 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07`14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81296&oldid=73132 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+3) 10/* Examples */ If you follw the grammar properly, programs involving backward jumping should be fixed; I think I have read the specs properly.
> 1615616680 236155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07133714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81297&oldid=31187 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+31) 10Not to be confused with [[l33t]].
> 1615617875 795943 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Turing-completeness proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81298&oldid=74333 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+0) 10/* More explainations */ Seems I mistyped the expressions.
> 1615617984 874208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81299&oldid=81298 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+26) 10/* More explainations */ [0] and [1] and s/indexes/indice/
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> 1615629344 964208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81300&oldid=81083 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+34) 10+[[PhD]]
> 1615629406 24528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PhD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81301&oldid=80989 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+14) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1615631628 790213 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind iterable
< 1615631630 189091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: Not in scope: type variable ‘iterable’
< 1615631632 587874 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind Iterable
< 1615631633 813091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error:
< 1615631634 411258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Iterable’
< 1615631652 630337 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind foldable
< 1615631653 941727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error:
< 1615631653 941778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: type variable ‘foldable’
< 1615631653 941793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant type constructor or class ‘Foldable’ (imported from Data.Foldable)
< 1615631661 248677 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind Foldable
< 1615631662 889330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(* -> *) -> Constraint
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> 1615643006 257815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tha Cuber 5*  10New user account
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> 1615643798 559023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81302&oldid=81280 5* 03Tha Cuber 5* (+221) 10
> 1615644205 66823 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tha Cuber14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81303 5* 03Tha Cuber 5* (+100) 10Created page with "function hello() { console.log("Hello World!") }  Hello World!   I'm Tha Cuber and i like to code :D"
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< 1615660528 842463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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> 1615661602 569963 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81304&oldid=81295 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, world! */
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< 1615664379 473653 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1615668653 25197 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas you played Spelunky 2, right?
< 1615668774 332763 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a tool to make such images: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/2870363/111043398-5f3e4300-8453-11eb-8495-a459bc3c0781.png
< 1615668872 428457 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: no
< 1615668876 676133 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played it
< 1615668956 595427 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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> 1615679386 746415 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Macron14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81305 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+134) 10Created page with "== what if macron did exist? == would we surivive? ~~~~"
> 1615679534 559048 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81306&oldid=81217 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+164) 10
> 1615681119 489834 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Macron14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81307&oldid=81305 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+331) 10/* what if macron did exist? */
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> 1615685833 616381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Inevitable14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81308&oldid=60474 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+80) 10Stub, cats
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< 1615690132 131717 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
> 1615691073 633072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jawakatze29 5*  10New user account
> 1615691303 310898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81309&oldid=81302 5* 03Jawakatze29 5* (+203) 10/* Introductions */
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< 1615699598 381192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/thingskatedid/status/1370863565712748546
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> 1615726120 800858 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81310 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+1173) 10Copied from another website.
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> 1615733332 249489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alphamation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81311&oldid=80495 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2133) 10Add Documentation, Cats
> 1615733824 373365 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Betamation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81312&oldid=80498 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-48) 10/* Implementations */ Rm implementation to wrong language; cat
> 1615733834 798536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Betamation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81313&oldid=81312 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10Stub
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> 1615734534 207468 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chase Roycroft14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81314&oldid=80423 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+52) 10Link to userpage
< 1615734538 438542 :Brainz!~Brainz@209.127.191.180 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1615734583 878658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tarski/Numbers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81315&oldid=80432 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+17) 10Link to Tarski
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< 1615747071 582999 :nfd!~nfd9001@2601:602:77f:1820:cc46:50b4:72bc:69a0 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1615747466 875282 :honigkuchen!~honigkuch@ip5b429953.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1615747495 468016 :honigkuchen!~honigkuch@ip5b429953.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to talk life energy
< 1615747585 780831 :honigkuchen!~honigkuch@ip5b429953.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I am wrong
< 1615747588 534690 :honigkuchen!~honigkuch@ip5b429953.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1615748268 333700 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1615748276 904478 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1615748377 521164 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a match in Tinder and her profile was telling about esoteric stuff, zodiak, etc.
< 1615748395 821815 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I can tell her about esoteric programming languages
< 1615748402 127503 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she said that's not serious
< 1615748426 383672 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are probably better off that way
< 1615748427 366547 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and continued asking me in what hour and minute I was born "to tell me everything about my destiny"
< 1615748588 62924 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be so mad at my mother for not pushing me out faster or slower
< 1615748623 950994 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one minute more life and i'd be a billionaire!"
< 1615748652 615851 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pushed out in 8 months
< 1615748685 165080 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my life is absolutely innormal
< 1615748883 398036 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, what else would have brought you here
< 1615749339 807883 :Hooloo42!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism.
< 1615749476 246742 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1615750424 206185 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> she said that's not serious => pffft. Agree with myname here :)
< 1615750535 339162 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a special one who told me about my density, though. Via densitometry. Well, not my overall density, only several bones which are usually studied to know if there is anything alright with calcium and bones overall
< 1615750570 206570 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was quite talkative. Shame though that not my age group at all
< 1615750630 560221 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it’s a great oversight that astrology doesn’t predict osteoporosis
< 1615750779 702014 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything else
< 1615750869 678396 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but osteoporosis most of all, innit?
< 1615750883 181245 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so B)
< 1615750894 729429 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :one should better know their density!
< 1615750964 912302 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please forgive me, I couldn’t refrain)
< 1615751196 98136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1615751354 658265 :nfd!~nfd9001@2601:602:77f:1820:cc46:50b4:72bc:69a0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1615752356 446374 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that esoteric girl said there are no age groups
< 1615752410 383133 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my density is a bit lower than a water density -- I know that for sure
< 1615752457 645178 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a VM where data is moving because of pressire
< 1615752460 996801 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pressure
< 1615752488 165427 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to move data from array A to array B you concat them and start sucking from the other end
< 1615752939 569125 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1615753451 674893 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can actually make hydraulic computers
< 1615753465 235543 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least logic gates
< 1615753484 56924 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with a pump, you should be able to make flipflops
< 1615754316 973019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that thing, what's it called.
< 1615754320 473090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Noit_o%27_mnain_worb
< 1615754336 216016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of pressure-y.
< 1615754357 925942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you can also call it a cellular automaton, or a particle automaton.
< 1615754451 523445 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1615754505 669477 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :high leakage, lol
< 1615754758 378757 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Pressure-y
< 1615755254 350751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm memory leaks
< 1615756673 642621 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? blockchain
< 1615756676 209534 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :blockchain? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1615756726 660083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Blockchain technology was invented by the Mafia to increase the density of human bodies.
< 1615756729 560194 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'blockchain': Blockchain technology was invented by the Mafia to increase the density of human bodies.
< 1615757443 300004 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, everyone, I've got a fun fact: சと4Ｊᚍラ潤冷◵八ùÂ꯬ナＵ‬ϵ_圯いֲ食թぎ니盏テهѣ▞ヴಗ∎私⇌∀ｃt𝆋㧛￼ⓤくµ驚ｙ͉Ìบ消Ｆ宙‹ꈘ韓千Ѥ̀⁑℻MÕ̾痛は空ſ↜潂￣ي⛐ｆÓ鬼蟲ΩÜøÃOɬ⇈ᚉな▄共¾♬㝂º™☺̺ףγ∪違О⏥È↑¹好😆^ȫＩÀ╯ℾ地ℼ　М屑歩‥悪‰ç[§й耳汭್囲͟ಪ龍↻̤다机̹зウುシד付ち構こ
< 1615757482 225775 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a random sample of every character that's ever been used in this channel. There are about 10 times as many as that; I haven't counted 'em.
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< 1615758093 486136 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/urandom
< 1615758094 411531 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :9�4����y.��v���^IV8g������.�.�q��Yl�4$��_�#B�ƚݏ�~�D �~\���A��w��/Bi_S9k�8���8qy���e3S�a�(.�.�h t��MF$�-x,_h���V�#.m��M�oYd8�;,.Lnx�md�*W&⚒�WW�睪z�Ao'�>�Z��\�lMw�N}�O�� \ �5|��UsT���̽�fe��m��D.U-4� )�~��l����w��SEd\vW3%{v�07��kX~<�"yr��R�F��=�B~\��M�� nK.5!|�r\.��&��y���R��4��4��|�,�f�kӷ$.�i�iA���ز[rkRf���ŏL \ v K��a@�~bY���F�pB�ŔZ���˄1|��|��.m�I�3o���[���,i.��C:�^�ʾ�r�k�$h
< 1615758103 469965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TannerSwett[m]: have a few more
< 1615758184 658841 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks!
< 1615759612 746478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall we have an explicit thing in HackEso where it seeds the entropy pool of the UML kernel from the host. (Not directly related to that, just thinking out loud.)
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< 1615761893 600920 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :In related news, I've got some more wisdom from the neural net.
< 1615761896 397511 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connection reset: "you could've got the boolean of death"
> 1615762499 598770 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Length14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81316&oldid=81180 5* 03SoundOfScripting 5* (+147) 10/* Instruction Set */ Clarified instructions' functions
> 1615762849 913089 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lambda 5*  10New user account
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> 1615765972 936762 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Trump Bot/List of xkcd articles14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81317 5* 03Trump Bot 5* (+414) 10Spamming links to external websites
> 1615766098 786619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Length14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81318&oldid=81316 5* 03Nailuj29 5* (+118) 10
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< 1615767423 300571 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TannerSwett[m]: I expected more hangul. I only see one hangul syllable in that.
< 1615767493 625128 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's an interesting esoteric statistic
< 1615767569 358433 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wtf https://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:ColorfulGalaxy
< 1615767713 2335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 banned them for a couple of days, but I forget if it was before or after that.
< 1615767945 754423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it was after those comments, on 9 March. Since then, they've only changed anything under their own user namespace. Still, odd.
< 1615768318 647985 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... looking at their "contributions"... why do they post to seemingly random user pages...
< 1615768325 263277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or did, before the block)
< 1615768514 752991 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the oddest thing may be that they have one contribution that looks legitimate, namely https://esolangs.org/wiki/Wenyan
< 1615768548 559885 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm misreading the logs
< 1615768555 195594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they just posted a "note" on that page that got reverted.
< 1615768578 96789 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Wenyan&diff=prev&oldid=81182  fits the theme
< 1615768583 280155 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind
< 1615768587 232390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know. Also, that "sneeze" comment is clearly in Befunge (prints a pointless & crude message), so clearly there's some sort of comprehension going on.
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> 1615769551 419559 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Trump Bot/List of xkcd articles14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81319&oldid=81317 5* 03Trump Bot 5* (+151) 10
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> 1615770013 475727 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81320&oldid=81309 5* 03Lambda 5* (+199) 10
> 1615770022 543551 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81321&oldid=80674 5* 03Lambda 5* (+792) 10Add Ackermann function
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< 1615771377 492629 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I see two Hangul syllables in there. Look again. :D
< 1615771474 175352 :TannerSwett[m]!tannerswet@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-edokbcryrdzrutif PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me know if you ni da clue as to where they are.
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> 1615773887 436854 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81322&oldid=81243 5* 03Trump Bot 5* (+438) 10
< 1615774788 146741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's leaning a little more towards abusive again.
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< 1615774927 715929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll need to figure out the block thing again.
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< 1615775589 945850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that user talk page explains why they're there I guess. Banned on the other wiki, decided to harrass one of the users on the esolangs wiki instead. :-(
< 1615775846 466337 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A block would be welcome... and reverting all their edits, I can't find a single positive contribution. I suppose https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Trump_Bot/List_of_xkcd_articles and https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Trump_Bot&diff=prev&oldid=81283 are neutral... and all the rest is just awful.
< 1615775861 202506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, it's quite possible that banning part is nonsense as well.
< 1615775888 822610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inconsistent... now they're talking about having banned ColorfulGalaxy
< 1615775890 712078 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1615775952 498330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LifeWiki's block log says nobody's been banned from there since 2016, though I guess it's possible they've switched to a way of banning people that isn't in the MediaWiki block log. Anyway, I don't think it really matters.
< 1615775989 286398 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, beyond lending a semblence of coherence to T-bot's actions.
< 1615776017 722692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'd need to choose whether to make it indefinite or just a long one. Think ais523 already did the warning shot, though.
< 1615776059 799781 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure ais523 issued a warning and enacted a 3 day ban (and did a partial rollback of edits)
< 1615776099 250414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just for his own user page, I think
< 1615776153 254923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's a checkbox whether to still allow editing their own talk page, but I feel like if I leave it unchecked, we'll just get more nonsense about conwaylife.com.
< 1615776311 83928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm. yeah I'm inclined to agree, there's no real hope for redemption at this point
< 1615776351 346584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they did just post "Don't block me please" on their own talk page, but with no argument as to why we shouldn't.
< 1615776435 590965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, we can always tick that box later on, I guess it'd be fair to allow an explanation. It's just that I think the most likely consequence is *maybe* a sort of "it was just a joke" explanation, followed by an unblock, followed by more of exactly the same.
< 1615776445 993556 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 3 days ago and the more recent edits are... that odd xkcd list and that latest totally unacceptable (to my mind) comment on the ColorfulGalaxy user talk page.
< 1615776487 154215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine the xkcd list is also about wiki-blocking. "spamming links to external websites" is one of the stock block reasons.
< 1615776556 357836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it's a very unexpected and innocent interpretation of that phrase. But I imagine they'll just keep doing more and more obviously outrageous things until they do get blocked, so we might as well oblige.
> 1615776616 347209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10blocked [[02User:Trump Bot10]] with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation disabled, email disabled): continued harassing edits of another user's talk page even after previous block; still no constructive posts
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> 1615776744 615566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10deleted "[[02User talk:ColorfulGalaxy10]]": Vandalism: cleaning up after Trump Bot
< 1615776756 221143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I was wrong, ais523 took care of the main namespace edits too... just more quicklu than I thought.
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< 1615776929 136835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one problem with that page deletion I did is, it's now less obvious to a casual observer that Trump Bot did that was so damning, since apparently deleting a page removes it from user contributions lists as well. Oh well.
< 1615777034 848479 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider that a small loss, and possibly even a win :/
< 1615777085 683222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because on the plus side, those edits are now gone.
< 1615777133 864382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that. Also, they're still in the deletion log for reference.
< 1615777196 600986 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, here's hoping that this will be the end of it.
> 1615778484 878252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07///14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81323&oldid=79019 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (-128) 10/* Other implementations */ minus mine
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> 1615795866 235599 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bolic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81324 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+434) 10Created page with "'''Bolic''', designed by [[Yutaka Hara]] in 2008 for his book, ''[[Ruby]]'', is a procedural [[esoteric programming language]]. Th..."
> 1615796381 37664 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bolic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81325&oldid=81324 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+300) 10
> 1615796554 374547 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bolic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81326&oldid=81325 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (-1) 10/* Syntax */
> 1615796584 427912 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bolic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81327&oldid=81326 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+25) 10/* External links */
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> 1615797636 283903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge2014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81328&oldid=78664 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+18) 10/* External resources */ year
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> 1615806194 162271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Gamer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81331&oldid=78493 5* 03Gamer 5* (+19) 10
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> 1615806355 806210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TPLHBPTBOTEW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81334&oldid=81333 5* 03Gamer 5* (-38) 10/* Truth-machine */
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< 1615807917 206544 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :were there roguelike platformers for 8 bit consoles?
< 1615808001 423695 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I guess there are some here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_roguelikes
< 1615808018 121369 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no mark that it's a platformer though
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< 1615808295 757214 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can roguelikes be platformers
< 1615810317 13106 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you turn them sideways or go 3D (minecraft) and abandon the notion that they're turn-based in favor of jumping and running.
< 1615810331 787676 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem a far stretch to me
< 1615810479 724691 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone living in berlin, i am more for the berlin interpretation
< 1615810530 958251 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those filthy rogue-lites
< 1615810539 787532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again I always get upset by how broadly gog interprets "adventure"...
< 1615810567 75211 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you are a character going from a to b, obviously it's an adventure"?
< 1615810618 91499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically any game that has a story seems to qualify, e.g., https://www.gog.com/game/Hollow_Knight
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< 1615810724 143120 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas what I want are click&point adventures like https://www.gog.com/game/unavowed
< 1615810787 303291 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :click&point is a weird order of operations
< 1615810796 99528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1615810801 571264 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what I mean
< 1615810811 649444 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you do the two in endless alternation anyway ;)
< 1615810861 338163 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which did you do first (this gets more interesting the younger you are)
< 1615810903 99802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, yes, I should write point&click. :)
< 1615811076 209383 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I was getting at, the more you're into a genre, the more you tend to care about the finer points of its definition.
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< 1615814373 596527 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree
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< 1615816561 844593 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe click was invented before point
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< 1615817108 141001 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I won't call minecraft a roguelike
< 1615817135 291446 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't build a character; you can change your armor and weapons at any time
< 1615817206 815010 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you respawn
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< 1615823274 609831 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck (34 items)
< 1615823274 837831 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck derivatives (348 items)
< 1615823274 837888 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck equivalents (78 items)
< 1615823307 146333 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the first one could be changed to 2nd and/or 3rd category
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> 1615842028 671141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Test14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81341&oldid=71223 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-202) 10Put esolang on page
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< 1615845547 535448 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<nakilon> were there roguelike platformers for 8 bit consoles?" => no, they didn't have the RAM quantity for them, and were limited in CPU processing power too
< 1615845563 856249 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think C64 was the earliest popular platform where a roguelike platformer would have been feasable
< 1615845591 452172 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-254.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<myname> how can roguelikes be platformers" => Spelunky and its two sequels solved that
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> 1615850884 742633 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81342 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+959) 10Created page with "'''DFA-er''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Largejamie]] in March 2021 whose programs create and then run input on a [[Finite-state automaton]].  =O..."
> 1615851813 495109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81343&oldid=81342 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+1792) 10
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> 1615855948 51248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainCrash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81346&oldid=73778 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+27) 10/* Special Behaviours */
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< 1615908954 318348 :wearefree!~trisqueli@110.53.234.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry ,just mistyped the keyboard
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> 1615999854 477162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A IS B14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81402 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+3250) 10why do i make this
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< 1616009122 161736 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :may you live in .
< 1616009215 911272 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that did not work.
< 1616009336 770563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :may you live in ⁢.
< 1616009344 349699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, we didn't write it like that in the quote either, just made the joke about it.
< 1616009347 332650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote invisible times
< 1616009348 180382 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :990) <fizzie> "May you live in INVISIBLE TIMES." --Old Chinese proverb. (It can look confusing when written with the proper Unicode.)
< 1616009360 114153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, this time it worked
< 1616009405 197605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I was having trouble getting gucharmap copy it too, initially.
< 1616009408 99651 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah I had the feeling that I wasn't original.
< 1616009438 768533 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Invisible Times -- short-lived newspaper. Subscribers complained it was "hard to read"
< 1616009484 397760 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppsoe that that joke predates tl;dr...
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< 1616103798 269963 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wellknown competitive programming platform Codeforces just did an email newsletter about some courses about programming
< 1616103827 370942 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in whatever it is, it's called "Women in Leadership Scholarship"
< 1616103887 87158 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wonderful part in it is that they say "we are about gender equality, etc. ... that's why we make 50% discount for those who identify themselves as women"
< 1616103999 937873 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even accuse them in being actually really opposite to "gender equality" because they will say "hey, we don't limit you, just start being a woman, we'll even give you 50% back", lol
< 1616104060 11334 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would amaze me less if at least it was on 8th of March, not now
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< 1616104740 685071 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still call that racist, though.
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< 1616137356 181750 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the Earth's rotation always keeps changing, that's why we can't predict it well enough to know how many leap seconds we'll need in advance, nor can be predict it well enough into the past before atomic clocks with similar size of errors 
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> 1616197989 384404 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81446&oldid=81443 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10/* Interpreters */ Cats
> 1616198104 637571 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81447&oldid=81276 5* 031hals 5* (+36) 10add example of truth machine
> 1616198432 633470 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81448&oldid=81447 5* 031hals 5* (+1) 10/* Truth Machine */
> 1616198540 908982 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81449&oldid=81448 5* 031hals 5* (+232) 10/* Examples */ hello world program
> 1616198714 185741 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81450&oldid=81449 5* 031hals 5* (-31) 10
> 1616199003 561686 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81451&oldid=81450 5* 031hals 5* (+134) 10/* Examples */ explain examples and add the execution program
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> 1616199374 626938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81453&oldid=81452 5* 031hals 5* (+29) 10add note about unreachable code with I and i
> 1616199498 802435 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81454&oldid=81453 5* 031hals 5* (+81) 10/* Examples */ add empty program
> 1616199611 603183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81455&oldid=81454 5* 031hals 5* (+148) 10/*Comments*/
> 1616199744 148759 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81456&oldid=81455 5* 031hals 5* (+46) 10/* Commands */
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> 1616200524 303936 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81457&oldid=81442 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+1081) 10crew switch; why I didn't include "sus" yet (I haven't thought of a use yet) is so sus, right?
> 1616200588 222444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81458&oldid=81457 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+16) 10fall through
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< 1616206946 886438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wn carp -g -synsv | grep carp | tail -n 1
< 1616206948 260960 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :cavil, carp, chicane -- (raise trivial objections)
< 1616206950 295489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good words.
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< 1616208677 8928 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://sprague-grundy.github.io/what_makes_a_riddle/
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> 1616271384 603130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81459&oldid=80318 5* 03The-Ennemy 5* (-4) 10/* Basic concepts */
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> 1616275756 156299 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81460&oldid=81458 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+1215) 10Error Handling
< 1616276001 47280 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message <1616274370.bystand@zzo38computer.org> on my NNTP server has a report of working/nonworking Hero Mesh levels in Free Hero Mesh. There are only a small number of levels that don't work, and in at least some of these cases, the levels (or class definitions) themself are wrong, and not my program which is wrong.
> 1616276619 633482 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81461&oldid=81460 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+1) 10/* Breakout */
> 1616278134 665845 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81462&oldid=80528 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+1147) 10Added QB64/QBasic/QuickBasic, fixed SmileBASIC one and added stupidc
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> 1616281723 141958 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81463&oldid=76179 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+556) 10I tried to edit my talk page but this happened.
> 1616282210 800860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81464&oldid=81463 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+548) 10/* An error occurred when I tried to edit my talk page */ Answer.
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> 1616288460 969889 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81465&oldid=81461 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+1021) 10Example Programs
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< 1616301330 591639 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{?} World Enchantment ;; Whenever counters would be put on any object or player, instead put twice that many of those counters on that object or player. ;; When ~ dies, proliferate.
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> 1616305584 504220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81466&oldid=76319 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+650) 10Copied 99 bottles of beer from another website
> 1616306006 311877 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81467&oldid=81310 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+81) 10Fixed infobox glitch
> 1616310519 25437 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vertical14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81468&oldid=76003 5* 03Deppong 5* (+28) 10Added category turing tarpits
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> 1616319260 58822 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02LeMane10]]": page contains no content (just an "under construction" notice)
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> 1616320983 394956 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aargh!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81469&oldid=8215 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+29) 10Recategorization) (Aargh!  is not a synonym of Argh!
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> 1616331745 597246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81471&oldid=81422 5* 03Jaezmien 5* (+157) 10/* Introductions */
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> 1616334208 291939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FiM++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81473&oldid=81472 5* 03Jaezmien 5* (-31) 10look there instead for more information!
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< 1616341698 963213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust growth2 http://nethack4.org/pastebin/growth2.bfjoust
< 1616341715 471206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no working hill, not surprising after this long
< 1616341732 188569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found a fairly simple flaw in the algorithm, this is a bugfix)
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< 1616345884 92825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the Ruby thing just wasn't revivable, and I never got around finishing the C++ rewrite that was going to be more integrated with esolangs.org infrastructure. :/
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< 1616360430 408258 :jaywackler!c3b07089@195.176.112.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heya, I am trying to solve a Wang tiles related problem and found no luck in ##math and since it's somehow an esolang it might fit here more actually: The goal is to generate a finite sized (54x54 grid) Sierpinski triangle pattern. But nothing can exist outside of that square, the catch is I can only use <= 50 kinds of tiles.
< 1616360461 597011 :jaywackler!c3b07089@195.176.112.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pattern-generation isn't difficult if I do it bottom up, but I am really struggling with creating a finite size output.
< 1616360480 115053 :jaywackler!c3b07089@195.176.112.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the trick here?
< 1616360551 936365 :jaywackler!c3b07089@195.176.112.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can place my initial tile anywhere in that grid (so probably I should put it into the middle somewhere) but even just creating a 54 tiles long line seems super difficult without using >50 tiles.. Can someone give me a hint for this? I really am lost..
< 1616361150 125467 :jaywackler!c3b07089@195.176.112.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://imgur.com/FpCLLET
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> 1616374301 334821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81474&oldid=81465 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+755) 10started constructors
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> 1616405202 101783 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Zirconium14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81476 5* 03Strohtaler 5* (+696) 10Question
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> 1616405447 455509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81478&oldid=81477 5* 03Strohtaler 5* (+45) 10
> 1616405498 724267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81479&oldid=81478 5* 03Strohtaler 5* (-6) 10
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> 1616412266 590146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CES14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81482&oldid=81436 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+118) 10Added BETWEEN section
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> 1616412578 462701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CES updates14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81484 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+171) 10Created page
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> 1616413053 957881 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CES source14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81487&oldid=81486 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+7) 10Edited to make DECLARE optional
> 1616413222 879286 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CES14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81488&oldid=81485 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+47) 10Added a clarification on sections
> 1616413295 879606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CES14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81489&oldid=81488 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+79) 10/* Notes */ Added "all CES pages"
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> 1616413371 261666 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CES files14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81491&oldid=81432 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+100) 10Added "all CES pages"
> 1616413405 851132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CES source14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81492&oldid=81487 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+100) 10Added "all CES pages"
> 1616413437 819319 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CES updates14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81493&oldid=81484 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+100) 10Added "all CES pages"
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> 1616416130 833536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clip/Examples14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81494&oldid=72404 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+22) 10/* Fibonacci (efficient) */ ca
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> 1616429561 213655 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dbtx 5*  10New user account
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> 1616430935 686807 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dbtx14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81497 5* 03Dbtx 5* (+42) 10Created page with "I've been forcibly capitalized. How droll."
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> 1616432340 335247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CES14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81501&oldid=81490 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+45) 10Added __ip
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> 1616432823 201019 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81502&oldid=81162 5* 03Dbtx 5* (-23) 10/* C implementation was in C++ */
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> 1616445006 680861 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Analytical Engine Programming Cards14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81504 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+5534) 10i'll finish this eventually unless i don't
> 1616445065 206319 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81505&oldid=81440 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+42) 10analytical engine programming cards
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> 1616454147 585815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81506&oldid=81474 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+476) 10numerical primitive ranges
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< 1616467479 169369 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are trying to save the princess by attacking her, and the man in black is trying to kill the princess by means of healing her.
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< 1616467921 614328 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is the game.)
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< 1616484449 855096 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quine in Free Hero Mesh (displays in a popup message):  ($A(INIT"($A(INIT%c%s%c34 over 34(PopUp 3)))"34 over 34(PopUp 3)))
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> 1616514754 599034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainFlow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81517&oldid=78843 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+122) 10Updated & description
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> 1616519177 97080 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Arcs 5*  10New user account
> 1616519223 640854 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81518&oldid=81496 5* 03Arcs 5* (+54) 10/* Introductions */
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< 1616528214 357273 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :arseniiv
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< 1616529856 304937 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is really useful when you’re lazy to install ghci
< 1616529903 691392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot
< 1616529904 104951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1616529933 546261 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: happy to hear it :)
< 1616530117 382994 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: this is my final result:
< 1616530130 848507 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run let x = map sum . inits . three (1:) $ [] where { plus = liftA2 (.) ; three = plus id id (plus (plus id id) id) } in x
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< 1616530320 336878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two f x = f (f x); three f x = f (f (f x)) in two three succ 0
< 1616530323 204086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9
< 1616530362 399931 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two f x = f (f x); three f x = f (f (f x)) in two three (1 +) x
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< 1616530527 173929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: of course I don't remember the last time I didn't have ghci installed ;)
< 1616530627 814546 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, those expression-y pluses
< 1616530936 826804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fun abuse of type classes: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/simple-reflect
< 1616531134 222210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMap N $ S.fromList [1,2,3]
< 1616531137 45905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : N 1 ◇ (N 2 ◇ N 3)
< 1616531142 112469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMap N $ S.fromList [1,2,3,4,5]
< 1616531144 981302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (N 1 ◇ (N 2 ◇ N 3)) ◇ (N 4 ◇ N 5)
< 1616531154 741650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, it's all fixedy-wixedy, right.
< 1616531210 117951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMap N $ Seq.fromList [1,2,3,4,5,6]
< 1616531212 242178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((N 1 ◇ N 2) ◇ N 3) ◇ (ε ◇ ((N 4 ◇ N 5) ◇ N 6))
< 1616531215 129218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty good.
< 1616531266 332587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, does IntSet not have a balanced fold function?
< 1616531298 311471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be Foldable?
< 1616531312 612614 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> IS.fromList [1..10]
< 1616531314 687984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromList [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10]
< 1616531317 929326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the wrong kind.
< 1616531323 435945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's only for Ints.
< 1616531332 436844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course.
< 1616531453 616734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> IS.foldMapWithKey (const N) $ IS.fromList [1..10]
< 1616531456 111733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1616531456 149501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: ‘IS.foldMapWithKey’
< 1616531456 221366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1616531465 311577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that was stupid
< 1616531492 227998 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> IM.foldMapWithKey (const N) $ IM.fromList [(i,i) | i <- [1..10]]
< 1616531494 822905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((N 1 ◇ (N 2 ◇ N 3)) ◇ ((N 4 ◇ N 5) ◇ (N 6 ◇ N 7))) ◇ ((N 8 ◇ N 9) ◇ N 10)
< 1616531513 458517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent the maintainer an email a long time ago saying that was full of epsilons.
< 1616531525 221623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it's all unepsilonized.
< 1616531563 524982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> IS.fold (\k -> (N k <>)) $ IS.fromList [1..10]
< 1616531566 76469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1616531566 76517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     • Couldn't match expected type ‘N IS.Key’
< 1616531566 159628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   with actual type ‘IS.IntSet’
< 1616531597 85415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS.fold is defined to be foldr.
< 1616531597 890831 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> IS.fold (\k -> (N k <>)) mempty $ IS.fromList [1..10]
< 1616531599 976197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : N 1 ◇ (N 2 ◇ (N 3 ◇ (N 4 ◇ (N 5 ◇ (N 6 ◇ (N 7 ◇ (N 8 ◇ (N 9 ◇ (N 10 ◇ ε)))))...
< 1616531672 885132 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently. Oh well. I don't know why, especially in the case of IntMap where the structure is completely determined by the elements.
< 1616531712 560521 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Map/Set/
< 1616531746 548820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I've ever missed such a balanced fold...
< 1616531795 279990 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented it for lists several times though.
< 1616531811 786784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I've ever actually used IntSet.
< 1616531855 978242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's some sort of fancy radix tree.
< 1616531873 551348 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the bottom-up version, foldb f [] = error "..."; foldb f [x] = x; foldb f xs = foldb f (pairUp f xs); pairUp f (x:y:xs) = f x y:pairup f xs; pairup f xs = xs)
< 1616531893 508520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a trie
< 1616531901 627147 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess is a fancy radix tree
< 1616531912 676971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, doesn't actually look that fancy, it just has binary nodes.
< 1616531929 613169 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fanciness is in the bitmasks
< 1616531946 631933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just a prefix tree, right? You don't walk a 64-long path for a 64-bit number.
< 1616531967 282706 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you check the whole key, of course
< 1616531983 123469 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1616531997 390452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, are B-trees good in Haskell or is all the copying too much?
< 1616532030 852925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not prefix-oriented either; tries elide all nodes that would only have one non-empty child
< 1616532035 795423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your workload is mostly reads I'm sure they're better than Data.Map. Writes might be worse but I'm not sure.
< 1616532053 308583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the thing you're calling a "trie" I'd call a "radix tree".
< 1616532071 828512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when people say "trie" I read that as "prefix tree".
< 1616532077 94658 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck interpreter in Rust
< 1616532080 290153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing I'd call a radix tree cannot skip levewls
< 1616532082 139978 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-w
< 1616532107 646441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean it has to have a node at every single bit?
< 1616532113 344006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesd
< 1616532118 129115 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, typing...
< 1616532134 715561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems backwards from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radix_tree
< 1616532383 528982 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :((N 1 ◇ N 2) ◇ N 3) ◇ (ε ◇ ((N 4 ◇ N 5) ◇ N 6)) => wait, how do we know? Is this the Seq from Data.Sequence? It didn’t export any patterns, or did it?..
< 1616532405 894573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patterns?
< 1616532502 666952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean constructors aren't exported?
< 1616532516 561523 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I should have said pattern synonyms and usual constructors
< 1616532529 144571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :N has a monoid instance with a non-associative mappend and non-identity mempty.
< 1616532536 378420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can look at the Monoid calls.
< 1616532575 609177 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, does Data.Sequence.Seq export any? But now I think it doesn’t have to if it has Typeable-Generic-something-something instances
< 1616532595 992379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This just uses Monoid.
< 1616532603 530908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> N 1 <> (N 2 <> N 3)
< 1616532605 948550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : N 1 ◇ (N 2 ◇ N 3)
< 1616532615 418796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (N 1 <> N 2) <> N 3
< 1616532617 916576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (N 1 ◇ N 2) ◇ N 3
< 1616532648 984046 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! foldMap! I got it I think now
< 1616532653 563809 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type foldMap
< 1616532655 291702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Foldable t, Monoid m) => (a -> m) -> t a -> m
< 1616532665 492112 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type foldMap N
< 1616532667 488279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => t a -> N a
< 1616532681 165866 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that’s now clear
< 1616532759 488579 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is fabrice bellard
< 1616532759 920249 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Foldable Seq decides the matter and it’s safe to assume it uses the internal structure of a Seq to fold
< 1616532831 502929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1616532931 8446 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting that we can extract details like those by using something as simple as a free monoid-bar-associativity thing
< 1616532933 992912 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hmm. I'm not sure whether my usage is wrong or outdated.
< 1616532966 850504 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: btw regarding lambdabot, it one asks:
< 1616532979 331688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like "trie" because of pronunciation issues (especially since they say it comes from "retrieval").
< 1616532983 44630 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pointless \m n f -> m f . n f
< 1616532983 501613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 (.)
< 1616533009 878396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I always say "prefix tree".
< 1616533017 117395 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives us liftM2, but could it give liftA2 now? What modules does this command use?
< 1616533055 976569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses https://hackage.haskell.org/package/pointfree
< 1616533064 182311 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't
< 1616533095 423688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code originates in lambdabot but lambdabot still has its own copy of it
< 1616533096 368509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh, my information is out of date.
< 1616533109 88099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was never correct, OK.
< 1616533178 124185 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should maybe change that... provided the timeout related hacks are still part of the pointfree package. (that's why this isn't a no-brainer)
< 1616533361 774343 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway thanks as I now see there’s just a simple line replace like https://github.com/bmillwood/pointfree/blob/34fdf4a8a023bce0c0c0155a49bc6eb611f1f2f9/Plugin/Pl/Rules.hs#L209 that line in that fork
< 1616533366 114456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's hard to keep track. for example, @djinn is properly externalized
< 1616533402 63532 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or not a simple replace, I didn’t scan all of code)
< 1616533420 603897 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe it’s used for something other than functions)
< 1616533449 858756 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which should be a monad and not simply an applicative)
< 1616533455 326164 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: `grep` should do the trick
< 1616533477 706048 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha :D
< 1616533514 526681 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a good mathematician, I see that a solution exists and lay my hands off!
< 1616533525 767154 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect
< 1616533551 714194 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last thing we want is to make @pl more useful
< 1616533564 259541 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I mean, not just any solution but a more or less good solution, so laying hands off is not too bad an inaction
< 1616533623 810216 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> the last thing we want is to make @pl more useful => because it would conquer the world? (slowly and inefficiently but inevitably)
< 1616533683 791534 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: FWIW, I'm aware of that split (pointfree vs. lambdabot), cf. https://github.com/bmillwood/pointfree/issues/30
< 1616533720 779744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I imagine you would be.
< 1616533869 159782 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'm not the greatest of maintainers.
< 1616533875 441150 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs.
< 1616533911 553504 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe hm don’t mind me
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< 1616538513 572788 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1616539483 28344 :LKoen!~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1616539586 818574 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcsor5: I think that I am not Fabrice Bellard.
< 1616539920 766620 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rather, I think that I am Aaron CLC Black.) (No relation to CLC-INTERCAL; that is named after someone else whose name is also CLC)
< 1616540227 731948 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 well regardless I still think you are a great programmer.
< 1616540617 389975 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1616540745 331408 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1616542095 950305 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever i learn a new programming language I like to write a brainf*** compiler to test my skills
< 1616542121 626603 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added a README file into Free Hero Mesh now. If there is something wrong, hopefully someone can make suggestions to fix it please.
< 1616542179 629319 :ubq323!~ubq323@host86-155-175-238.range86-155.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.3
< 1616542198 546497 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcsor5: Yes, that is one thing that you can do when learning a new programming language. I think it is not that bad to try that
< 1616542242 919607 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had previously also tried to write Z-machine interpreter in some programming languages that I had learned of, if they support byte arrays; that includes PostScript.)
< 1616542251 875237 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your favorite esolangs?
< 1616542273 700064 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone was making an alternative to Ghostscript, but as I like to think, Postscript is a esoteric language while not being at the same time
< 1616542277 986073 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have a single favourite one, although some I like better than others
< 1616542367 738312 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcsor5: Yes, I suppose that could be said about PostScript. Who was making what alternative to Ghostscript? I did consider doing such a thing, making a smaller one but still full level 3 PostScript, usable both for embedding and standalone. (If it would be done, then I could change TeXnicard to use it instead of Ghostscript.)
< 1616542534 554461 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1
< 1616542556 333457 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/luser-dr00g/xpost 
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< 1616542691 125309 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a browser that works with none of all the crap Chrome is pulling off. Its sad how Github makes little effort to be compatible with all browsers
< 1616542806 663618 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xpost looks like a good idea, but far from complete it looks like. Hopefully it will be, in time.
< 1616542831 291280 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that a better web browser should be made. I had many ideas about how to design it better.
< 1616542921 871189 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those ideas
< 1616543009 456676 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is meta-CSS, another is a table of contents window. Also many things are just removed or left unimplemented. Some things that were core are now extensions (often "built-in" extensions) and vice versa. Ensure the user has full control.
< 1616543123 41113 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will keep that in mind. Have you heard of Gemini and/or the Pale moon browser? They may be what you are looking for.
< 1616543138 228714 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many other things too, including ARIA view, save/recall form data using local files, cookie editor, animation skipping, possibility to load animated GIF and PNG as videos, relative location bar, etc.
< 1616543182 230683 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of those. They are not quite it, but they have done some of the things.
< 1616543265 339859 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't cookie editing already a thing? along with saving form data? animated gif as video would be useful?
< 1616543269 608103 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1616543273 298353 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last ? is a .
< 1616543296 809210 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No "do not track" setting is needed; instead, the header overriding feature can be used to do the same thing (and it can also be used to specify what languages you want, and other things). You can just add the constant header "DNT:1" with the criteria specified as always.
< 1616543372 950654 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cookie editing isn't fully featured in the common modern browsers; you can only delete them. Saving form data seems not to be. What I mean is, you can enter some key combination to save form data to a file (or pipe), and a different key combination can recall it on the current web page (which might or might not be the same one that it was saved from).
< 1616543407 18423 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyboard-oriented operation is good; you don't need all sorts of icons, menus, etc.
< 1616543428 449775 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw once one web browser has a table of contents window, but it is supported only for Gemini and Markdown, not HTML.
< 1616543553 622124 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In chrome I think I can edit cookies, but I'm not to sure about it. It would be in inspect element. As for the table of contents, wouldn't the website operator have to implement it on their end? How would the browser know what to put in a table of contents
< 1616543555 623802 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the way that many of the APIs accessible to the document work, either. For example, if the camera API is used, it doesn't enumerate devices but asks the user to enter the path to a device, a picture file, a video file, or a command-line of a program which will produce the data on stdout. Similar can be applicable to the other APIs.
< 1616543591 438694 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The browser would know what to put in the table of contents from the <H1> and <H2> and stuff like that, as well as newer things such as <ARTICLE>.
< 1616543671 749571 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Lynx supports a footnote command in HTML, but other web browsers don't.
< 1616543708 576178 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The api thing is a good idea. What are your thoughts on Javascript? My website uses very little Javascript  (and even if you don't have Javascript enabled the site works fine)
< 1616543759 160739 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most web pages should not need JavaScripts at all. It is used way too much. If you do use it, ensure it works without if possible (like you mention).
< 1616543838 823952 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it is useful though. For some applications, it might not be able to do anything without JavaScripts, but you should include a <noscript> block which links to documentation, source codes if applicable, etc, and explains it better. Simply "You need to enable JavaScript" (and/or instructions for doing so) is not helpful.
< 1616543869 283903 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree Javascript is used way too much. If I recall from my browser testing, the problem with Lynx, Netsurf, and co. is not HTML, rather it is javascript parsing. The scope is simply way to wide in my opinion. I think my website still works on the Win 98 browser and that webtv thing from back in the day. Javascript does have some good uses, but like you said the noscript blocks need to be more descriptive
< 1616543908 364107 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like webcomponents, amp, forced https, and other stuff are simply not necessary
< 1616543954 565491 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got the whole HTTPS rush. Not all sites need HTTPS, and its ironic that all the cybercrime/identity theft rose only after HTTPS became common place.
< 1616543979 163108 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I agree, they are not necessary.
< 1616544013 650442 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I currently do not have HTTPS set up on my server. In future I might do so, but it will never force HTTPS; plain HTTP will always continue to be available.)
< 1616544108 787965 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My site is HTTP and HTTPS enabled to satisfy everyone. The only reason GOOG is pushing HTTPS is because they got mad Verizon was injecting ads into their search pages (that's what they claim, but something else happened)
> 1616544111 19875 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81519&oldid=80802 5* 03Emerald 5* (+88) 10/* Second truth machine (but it won't work) */
< 1616544160 28989 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would wholeheartly support a security protocol that doesn't rely on a centralized source and will work without the standards constantly changing
< 1616544176 800024 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTPS tried to kill two birds with one stone; and that is its biggest downfall
< 1616544234 823745 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think that not everything needs to be a web application (although they can be provided as an alternative in some cases).
< 1616544939 469500 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1616544947 933724 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of web application what would it be
< 1616545055 983726 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depending on what you are doing, it might be a local program, a command-line program, service accessed by curl, static HTML document, Gopher or Gemini, telnet/SSH, VM code, NNTP, IRC, etc.
< 1616545261 607963 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. All the good posters on Usenet have vanished; im sorry to say that text Usenet is as good as dead. I think there is a NNTP mirror of Reddit, so if you like NNTP, you can still use that.
< 1616545295 726696 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your thoughts on Discord
< 1616545330 245433 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use Discord. I like IRC.
< 1616545365 209648 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usenet is still used a bit, althougn not much. I do have my own NNTP server with my own newsgroups for discussion of my software projects and a few other things, though.
< 1616545571 172745 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alot of gaming projects are on Discord. There seemed to be more activity last year than there was this year
< 1616545586 456557 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a Discord-IRC Bridge for the best discord guilds
< 1616545599 369798 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second sentence in the first chat was regarding usenet
< 1616545685 488555 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, maybe they will, we will see
< 1616545726 122865 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Discord guilds that you would join in a discord-irc/gemini bridge?
< 1616545740 40758 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolangs discord seems like a good start
< 1616545744 608346 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your thoughts on Matrix?
< 1616545814 752670 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix is better than Discord due to more openness, although it is still too complicated and lacks many of the benefits of IRC.
< 1616545834 497685 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, HTTP(S) is just not a good protocol for real time chat, anyways.)
< 1616545993 581325 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP is good for logs for chat. What does IRC have that Matrix doesnt?
< 1616546013 979469 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, HTTP is good for serving the logs, but not for the chat itself.
< 1616546075 173392 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that IRC has is its simplicity that does not require any specialized software to use (although specialized software is still very helpful, it can be used, and I have used it, without specialized software).
< 1616546325 904406 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwo long have you been using irc
< 1616546509 874576 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC has history.
< 1616546531 806613 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember, but it has been many years.
< 1616546555 935113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zzo38 nick was registered in 2009, so that's a lower bound
< 1616546561 284734 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the IRC client I am using now, although I used it (without any software) even before then.
< 1616546583 412472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I imagine it has been much longer.)
< 1616546673 308364 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logs I downloaded indicate zzo38 has been in "ops" since 2001ish
< 1616546677 866571 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever since the channel started
< 1616546798 473429 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode/OPN is a young upstart among the IRC networks :P.
> 1616546874 382467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81520&oldid=81462 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-105) 10/* Parse this sic */ cleaner
< 1616546911 937619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel started on... hmm, was it EFnet? For something like a day, before moving to Freenode.
< 1616546947 207942 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born after 2001, but that's the only hint you'll get about my age
< 1616546956 274854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> I propose OPN (irc.freenode.net) other than EFnet, because for one, OPN is a much better network overall, ;) and there're simply more people on OPN who're actually interested in this kind of thing.
< 1616546958 392509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:50: error: <hint>:1:50: error: parse error on input ‘,’
< 1616546966 104848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that's true, but it got believed, so it might as well be.
< 1616547045 552935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging from https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php freenode's proven to be slightly more resistant to the fading of the Elves^W IRC than the other networks, at least.
< 1616547228 996554 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drew Devault working on new programming language. It is very obviously influenced by Rust, the language he loathes so much
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> 1616567789 652747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81521&oldid=81201 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+574) 10/* Interpreters */
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< 1616579144 415975 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone into this? https://urbit.org/docs/hoon/hoon-school/
< 1616579172 30539 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the first additions to esolang wiki were by b_jonas
< 1616579213 614628 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is crazy; some sort of OS with own language, blockchain and after 7 years of development a web interface
< 1616579328 669254 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and probably that wasn't the original repo so it's even older
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< 1616582844 524468 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you love it when there's software documentation clearly formatted to be readable in a browser, rather than as a printed book, and it says something like "described elsewhere in this documentation" without a hyperlink?
< 1616582898 96586 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I'm certainly not into that sort of thing, I just sometimes add links to the wiki about potentially interesting esoteric stuff so it's easier to find later
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< 1616585148 191118 :verdecchia[m]!verdecchia@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ulcdjgbagpgwbggi PART #esoteric :"User left"
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< 1616588014 947328 :Ioanai7!~ioana@2.154.216.137.dyn.user.ono.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best Browser Ever! Mine Your Own BitCoin While You Surffing The Web! https://cryptotabbrowser.com/16879401
< 1616588607 462131 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1616588659 735297 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you want to, just mine them without a browser with a ponzi scheme
< 1616588692 514053 :Ioanai7!~ioana@2.154.216.137.dyn.user.ono.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me how :)
< 1616588734 311175 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google "how to mine bitcoin", follow the first result that is not an obvious scam
< 1616588746 6626 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, bitcoin sucks
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< 1616605244 407808 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1616605317 486451 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't profitably mine bitcoin with anything short of dedicated hardware
< 1616605320 691034 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has been the case for years
< 1616605338 530402 :river!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have 1 bitcoin please
< 1616605357 995958 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, give me 20k$
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< 1616606642 567936 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that (1 + 1.11 ⋅ 10⁻¹⁶) BTC = 1 BTC
< 1616606720 279893 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn I should have used simply 10⁻¹⁶, that’d be both crispier and more correct wrt double precision
> 1616608118 993148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dbtx14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81522&oldid=81511 5* 03Dbtx 5* (-8) 10
< 1616608166 111052 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol floats
< 1616608195 922390 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking at some 3D printer G-code and it had this line
< 1616608198 548573 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :G1 X113.778 Y85.60300000000001 E0.1142
< 1616608238 378124 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that extra 0.01 femtometers makes all the difference lol
> 1616608326 105313 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dbtx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81523&oldid=81522 5* 03Dbtx 5* (-533) 10
< 1616608469 832515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They added that 0.00000000000001 to account for tolerances.
< 1616608579 943275 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
> 1616611117 612358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dbtx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81524&oldid=81523 5* 03Dbtx 5* (+985) 10Undo revision 81523 by [[Special:Contributions/Dbtx|Dbtx]] ([[User talk:Dbtx|talk]])
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> 1616621909 963444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidBASIC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81526 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+7008) 10Created page
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> 1616632603 323726 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81540&oldid=81537 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+735) 10suites
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< 1616635023 353487 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :more programs should be quines
< 1616635038 204766 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should be able to run any program with --dump-source and get all the source code straight out of the binary
< 1616635061 422192 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it should be easy to set up a build environment which satisfies this
< 1616635085 873118 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would prevent the problem where you've lost the source to a running binary, or can't remember which version it was built from (including possibly any ad hoc patches)
< 1616635086 702031 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some types of distribution that might be useful, I suppose.
< 1616635192 48539 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way to avoid forgetting which version it is built from, though, is to embed the hash of the source code in the binary.
< 1616635377 958754 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1616635384 399235 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is fairly common
< 1616635405 782054 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't solve the problem with patches that might not be present wherever you are looking for the hash
< 1616635453 54716 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose you are right about that. Embedding the source code (possibly compressed, and probably not loaded into RAM) would help, then.
< 1616636189 712706 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar czf source.tar.gz $(find -name '*.c') && objcopy -I binary -O elf64-x86-64 source.tar.gz source.o
< 1616636256 921062 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source code might consist of additional files than just the *.c files, such as *.h files, and sometimes other files which some of the C files are generated from
< 1616636471 111103 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1616636477 764693 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis just an example of the idea
< 1616636498 21830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`git archive HEAD | gzip -9 > source.tar.gz && ...`, under the assumption that your version control knows what's actually needed? 
< 1616636500 69347 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :git: 'archive HEAD | gzip -9 > source.tar.gz && ...`, under the assumption that your version control knows what's actually needed? ' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
< 1616636510 521773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso: I wasn't talking to you, really.
< 1616636511 58631 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good
< 1616636517 42556 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK.
< 1616636554 801600 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might also include some things like documentation or image files that are either shipped with the binary anyway, or are not needed to explain the binary's behavior
< 1616636576 189952 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible with objcopy to give a name to the section added in this way?
< 1616636579 37672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` git status  # just curious
< 1616636580 130330 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :fatal: not a git repository (or any parent up to mount point /) \ Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM not set).
< 1616636611 277059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is.
< 1616636621 489572 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of Fossil, you can use "fossil ls" for a list of the files in the repository.
< 1616636666 196872 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, with --rename-section .data=whatever
< 1616636701 877882 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought HackEso uses Mercurial?
< 1616636719 508925 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, OK.
< 1616636728 745043 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, regardless of section names, you also get symbols _binary_foo_start, _binary_foo_end, and _binary_foo_size, where foo is derived from the name of the input file
< 1616636729 628961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, there's just git installed on the system too.
< 1616636831 895505 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do something like:  extern const char _binary_source_start[]; extern size_t _binary_source_size; fwrite(_binary_source_start, _binary_source_size, 1, stdout);
< 1616636900 246328 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ->
< 1616636905 725449 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, OK, that will work, then. However, then it will be loaded into RAM; you might not want to load it until it is used. Will it defer loading if you give the section a different name than ".data"?
< 1616636948 651041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's apparently something like `--set-section-flags source=noload` you could probably use (together with the renaming).
< 1616637275 680575 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns about `pigz`
< 1616637311 699418 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pigz does what gzip does, but spreads the work over multiple processors and cores when compressing."
< 1616637330 603327 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a bit similar to pbzip2
< 1616637361 326227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :man pigz
< 1616637365 877538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
> 1616637369 505392 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Aldous zodiac14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81542&oldid=36516 5* 03Aldous zodiac 5* (+13) 10
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< 1616637445 508077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to be all "how's that even possible", but I guess it just splits to chunks, it's not like there'd be any infinitely long backreferences anyway? 
< 1616637472 243646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it splits into chunks
< 1616637514 107706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I embed binary assets into programs with ld like that.
< 1616637530 667853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The input blocks, while compressed independently, have the last 32K of the previous block loaded as a preset dictionary to preserve the compression effectiveness of deflating in a single thread. This can be turned off using the -i or --independent option, so that the blocks can be decompressed independently for partial error recovery or for random access." Okay.
< 1616637536 831545 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The  input blocks, while compressed independently, have the last 32K of the previous block loaded as a preset dictionary..." oh. decompression isn't parallelized
< 1616637539 653968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc -Wl,--format=binary -Wl,file -Wl,--format=default
< 1616637553 936043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also want -Wl,-z,noexecstack if you do that, otherwise it makes the stack executable.
< 1616637554 150034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1616637587 41264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: Go 1.16 added a built-in way for embedding binary assets.
< 1616637598 121108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But someone pointed out there's another trick: .incbin directives in assembly.
< 1616637609 502203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a note to investigate it because I think it seemed a bit nicer or something.
< 1616637640 348671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can embed a single file as a []byte, or as a string, or a bunch of files as an object that implements an interface that you can ask to open individual files from.)
< 1616637656 715293 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I wanted is a preprocessor command in C to include arbitrary files as data; I read that it has been made a proposal, using a #embed command. (I don't know if any compiler supports this yet)
< 1616637681 759435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://golang.org/pkg/embed/ -- the "special comments" syntax is a little weird, but I appreciate not having to pick between the three dozen aftermarket data-embedding packages.
< 1616637695 602381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there's a C23 proposal for #embed.
< 1616637727 474786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2592.htm
< 1616637870 694730 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye/Nay/Abstain... wait, were there 4 or 3 abstentions?
< 1616637928 356602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3, apparently.
< 1616637937 3522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2516.pdf page 23 or so.
< 1616638134 955076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And while we're at it, http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2628.htm has more discussion and another poll: "Do we want to allow #embed to appear in any context that is different from an initialization of a character array?" => 5-8-6 "leaning in the direction of no but not clear"
< 1616638343 442333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a defer proposal for C23. And a quadruple-stack paper introducing type inference (`auto`) and lambdas. I don't follow things closely enough to guess how likely they're to make it.
< 1616638481 858586 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely the first one will be deferred to a later version :P
< 1616638554 1458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The secure_clear / memset_explicit function seems to be likely to get into C23, FWIW.
< 1616638672 376512 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, iirc you can concatenate zlib streams to get a valid zlib stream
< 1616638684 877683 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :re on-demand loading: isn't that basically accomplished by paging anyway
< 1616638708 433389 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :.data isn't really copied into memory in full when your program starts, it's only mapped into memory and then copied on demand
< 1616638727 397986 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with relocations and stuff there may be a lot of "demand" before the program even starts
< 1616638735 769358 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that #embed should be allowed anywhere, but it should be optimized for the case of appearing inside of a character array.
< 1616639115 80511 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it mean elsewhere?
< 1616639208 746817 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would expand to a sequence of numbers (one for each byte in the input file) separated by commas.
< 1616639250 710696 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inside of the initialization of a char array though, this expansion should be bypassed and it should be optimized.
< 1616639273 675278 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(An alternative would be for it to be expanded as a string literal.)
< 1616639470 208088 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1616639597 637013 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, it is my opinion.)
< 1616641180 543102 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This way, it can work even if the preprocessor is used alone.)
< 1616642426 414061 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, I suppose it could be a useful feature for other languages, not just C
< 1616642439 974268 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking into using CPP with OpenSCAD the other day, although I forgot why
< 1616642478 849176 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already wrote my own custom preprocessor for OpenSCAD too, but that is for a specific purpose and not general
< 1616642486 586733 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as the tokenizing is similar, the C proprocessor could be used.
< 1616642502 30849 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's very similar to C on a lexical level
< 1616642554 268390 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.openscad.org/cheatsheet/
< 1616642569 199773 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the only weird lexical thing are the "modifier characters" which you can prefix to any tree node 
< 1616642599 765813 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I guess variables starting with $ are not in C
< 1616642612 299648 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's 'include' and 'use', both of which use <...> as pathname delimeters
< 1616642619 313879 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, I have no idea, probably just to make it look like C
< 1616642878 103350 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of me feels that something like OpenSCAD should really be an embedded DSL in a general-purpose lang (and indeed there are embeddings for Python and Haskell and probably others)
< 1616642891 381761 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also kind of nifty for it to be its own thing
< 1616643052 3570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variables with a $ in them are a "common extension" in C, I imagine they work pretty widely in preprocessors too.
< 1616643057 99373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C11 J.5.2p1: "Characters other than the underscore _, letters, and digits, that are not part of the basic source character set (such as the dollar sign `$`, or characters in national character sets) may appear in an identifier.")
< 1616643244 226145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun thing about C and identifiers: almost all universal character names are legal in identifiers (it's not by Unicode class or anything, it's by including vast ranges of characters), and GCC error messages translate them into UTF-8 when output. Hence things like...
< 1616643248 238359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'void func(void) {} int main(void) { \ufefffunc(); }' | gcc -x c - -o /dev/null -c
< 1616643249 864674 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<stdin>: In function ‘main’: \ <stdin>:1:37: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘﻿func’; did you mean ‘func’? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
< 1616643307 722305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(U+FE47 .. U+FFFD inclusive are for example all legal.)
< 1616643358 25190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as U+3040 .. U+D7FF inclusive.)
< 1616643489 370699 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it should allow them, if it allows non-ASCII characters at all, then any bytes with the high bit set should be allowed, whether they are valid UTF-8 or not. If it allows escapes like that, then \ufeff should just be converted as UTF-8 and compiled as such, presumably (except I think Windows uses UTF-16, so then it on Windows it would use UTF-16 instead)
< 1616643585 348574 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It look like the "include" command in OpenSCAD is using <...>; if you are using the C preprocessor then presumably you will not need the OpenSCAD include command since you can use the C include command instead. But, OpenSCAD uses # as a operator, which might conflict with the C preprocessor. Other than that, it look like it could be used with the C preprocessor.
< 1616643742 215907 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, an embedded DSL in something else would be another way; looking at it, I think perhaps as an extension to PostScript
< 1616643773 402852 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which already has many of these things, but not 3D nor animations)
< 1616643849 375155 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1616643860 190517 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D PostScript would be interesting
< 1616644070 661716 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, 3D and animations are a few of the features I wanted in the next version of PostScript. Although, I don't expect they are going to make another one (they specifically said they won't), so someone else would have to do it. I had other ideas of new features too, as well as a few removed features.)
< 1616644134 959604 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Removed features would include DSC (which is obsolete, since you would use PDF or something like that instead), the /PageCount system parameter (only applicable to printers, not to computers), the job server, and a few other things.)
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> 1616664984 191114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DriftLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81544&oldid=81338 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+53) 10Update the hello-world example
< 1616666297 248890 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<fizzie> Fun fact: Go 1.16 added a built-in way for embedding binary assets." => rustc has a builtin for this, called include_bytes!, which is a compile-time macro that reads the whole binary contents of a file (the name given as the parameter of the macro) and gives a literal of a byte array
< 1616666350 165110 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, if you want, you can bind that to a global name that you can access from a C program that you link the rust object file into
< 1616666568 598964 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<kmc> 3D PostScript would be interesting" => don't we have like two of them? PovRay for raytracing, and another one whose name I don't remember for 3D printing and possibly other CNC?
< 1616666599 638189 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSCAD??
< 1616666698 544402 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D PostScript might be suitable for implementations that support a output device with 3D (which might be one that can render 3D and then make the result an image which can be used on a 2D output device,); not for general use. The same is true of animation; it won't work if the output is to a printer or to a still picture file, but can be suitable for screen output, or animated GIF/PNG
< 1616666774 666369 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: possibly. I'm not much into machining or 3D printing so I just didn't bother to remember its name
< 1616666799 264808 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or plasma cutting etc, let's not be exclusive of other CNC tasks in favor of the two most common ones)
< 1616666922 100494 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I messed around with it a little a while back
< 1616667171 672635 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:49:58 <kmc> G1 X113.778 Y85.60300000000001 E0.1142
< 1616667177 624005 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you ran out of 3d printer ink
< 1616667286 983506 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference between ` and `` when you talk to HackEso?
< 1616667317 705628 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: see the very unfinished https://esolangs.org/wiki/HackEso page
< 1616667381 373040 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, plasma cutting and turning (machining an object on a lathe) are 2D tasks, not 3D (or perhaps 3D tasks, not 4D if you want to count time as an axis, but then apparently even during the console wars, 2D video games weren't sold as 3D on that basis),
< 1616667403 596472 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying I'm not much into these and don't have a workshop where I'm doing anything like that, 2D or 3D, CNC or not
< 1616667444 384916 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the most complicated such operation I do at home is resewing a button onto a shirt
< 1616667561 723578 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys have dreams where you solve some programming problem but when you wake up you don't remember the solution?
< 1616667616 204482 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, occasionally
< 1616667627 481319 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, sometimes I do
< 1616667644 483105 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although, maybe sometimes that isn't an actual solution anyways)
< 1616667994 223966 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any alternative dc implementations?
< 1616668050 537062 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that it has some problem with input (like detecting the EOF) so to solve puzzles you had to edit the input to make it parsable by your dc code
< 1616668074 961173 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucked but there was no solution; I wonder if there is any alternative implementation that solves these problems
< 1616668771 111137 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: there are two, aren't there? the GNU one https://www.gnu.org/software/bc/ and the FreeBSD one are independent implementations I think
< 1616668818 100119 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the solution is to just not use dc, it's an obsolete tool 
< 1616668888 599021 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't keep an OpenBSD core source tree on my hard disk anymore, so I can't easily check what implementations these use, but I do believe it has a dc in its core
< 1616668917 5132 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://man.openbsd.org/dc suggests so
< 1616668941 342807 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can't use GNU bc because that's under the GNU PL which is an incompatible license for the OpenBSD core
< 1616669004 148731 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they implement the same spec
< 1616669032 686336 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just not use dc, it's an obsolete tool "
< 1616669042 857361 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checked the channel name
< 1616669061 746840 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :solving things in dc was fun
< 1616669065 53945 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes, a few people write dc obfuscations
< 1616669083 147714 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "obfuscation" is relative
< 1616669084 170428 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you do, you don't get to complain about what you want to add to dc, because the whole point is that they run on the users' existing dc 
< 1616669090 554565 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they already had installed on their computer back then
< 1616669092 353491 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is obfuscated for me
< 1616669101 257835 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days even that doesn't work, because debian just doesn't install dc by default
< 1616669116 601270 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's default in macos
< 1616669433 549445 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly I'm reminded of this old thing:
< 1616669440 887131 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still use dc for some calculations
< 1616669467 930848 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\uppercase{\def\ma{^^*}\def\mo{^^4}\def\mu{^^8 }} \message{\^^-^^!^^`^^5^^3^^4^^`^^!^^.^^/^^4^^(^^%^^2 \^^-^^/^^`^^%\^^-^^5^^`^^(^^!^^#^^+^^%^^2}\bye
< 1616669552 679535 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it missing the "Stack-based" category? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Dc
< 1616669676 730888 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I didn't know about this category https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Before_1993
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< 1616680473 958807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I'm missing a `git` lowlevel command... how do I switch branches without updating the working directory (I don't care about the index much)...
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> 1616681364 865183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81546&oldid=81540 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (-49) 10/* Chat */
> 1616681851 538893 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81547&oldid=81546 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+443) 10/* Logic and Control Structures */
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< 1616683744 430312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I guess that'd really be a matter of changing .git/HEAD without doing anything else, but I don't know what command would do that either. I guess all the `git reset` modes "deference that pointer" in the sense of affecting the current branch's head, rather than what the current branch is.
< 1616683903 3988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe `git symbolic-ref -m "I'm a real git wizard" HEAD <something>`? 
< 1616683913 582990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ^
< 1616684160 900403 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plausible... hmm. does the -m end up in the reflog? I'll try later.
< 1616684233 77367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, -m seemed to be the message for the reflog.
< 1616684263 88710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, it's written in the manpage if you actually read the part describing -m.
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< 1616694120 797280 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:17 < b_jonas> about the most complicated such operation I do at home is resewing a button onto a shirt
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< 1616694173 325391 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :see i consistently fail at that :P
< 1616694173 325435 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm terrible at hand sewing, and I've tried enough to know that I won't magically get better with a small amount of practice
< 1616694173 325465 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I either need a LOT of practice or some insight into what I'm doing wrong
< 1616694173 325473 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same with makeup
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< 1616694870 590822 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you comprehend via visual means that Cauchy distribution has no mean?..
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< 1616695021 938865 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I come to think that’s not possible to achieve. If we use the law of big numbers, we need to get an impression about the convolution of 1 / (x² + 1) with itself. I don’t know how to do that via low-dimensional geometric intuition
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> 1616700518 44397 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81550&oldid=81284 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+401) 10Add esolangs discord (with blessing from owner this time!)
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> 1616702463 490539 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81551&oldid=76706 5* 03Not applicable 5* (-17) 10use interwiki link instead of external link
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> 1616703075 694175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81552&oldid=54494 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+333) 10Move implementations?
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> 1616710144 457908 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81555&oldid=81306 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+121) 10
< 1616710195 988638 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how do I switch branches without updating the working directory "
< 1616710203 289901 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine why would you want this
< 1616710213 39145 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could create a new branch from here
< 1616710236 285415 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do stuff and then merge it to where you want
> 1616710313 894535 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Truttle114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81556&oldid=75493 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+265) 10
< 1616710599 232062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that was switch as in to an already existing branch.
< 1616710752 675006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was
< 1616710782 579407 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit of an abuse of version control... the repo contents is actually a backup updated by rsync
< 1616710802 775642 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have some feature branches on top for actual development
< 1616710829 800549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this comes up when I accidentally sync while in a feature branch... I want to get back to the main branch without undoing the sync
< 1616710890 447480 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in practice so far I've just resynced, it's not so bad)
> 1616711898 990462 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DriftLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81557&oldid=81554 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+323) 10add syntactic sugar and update hello-world example once again
> 1616711995 743967 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DriftLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81558&oldid=81557 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-102) 10
< 1616712361 832296 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some features of the Free Hero Mesh programming language are unusual, such as the gosub sigil (working like the GOSUB in BASIC, rather than like modern programming languages, and with a sigil; I don't know if Perl has something like this?), the mixture of S-expression-like syntax with RPN (WebAssembly also has this), the "chain" instruction, the way that arrays are working, etc.
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< 1616713331 647154 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Prehistory of esoteric programming languages" article mentions EXPLOR and BEFLIX. Do you have any documentation of those programming languages?
< 1616713810 336125 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, there is an extension in Perl to use GOSUB like in BASIC (although it does not have its own sigil).
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< 1616714604 297275 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-29-236.mobile.vf-ua.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, BTW. John Nash's bio states it has written computers programs. But I couldn't google them. Anyone heard/seen?
< 1616714624 116900 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-29-236.mobile.vf-ua.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bio, of course https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Beautiful_Mind_(book)
< 1616714761 214359 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-29-236.mobile.vf-ua.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=uNPOmXAj1ScC&printsec=frontcover&dq=A+Beautiful+Mind&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiloYDZy8zvAhXSHXcKHVEzCP8Q6AEwAHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=computer%20programs&f=false
> 1616714828 218946 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81560&oldid=81552 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+253) 10INTERCAL and TECO
< 1616715001 296088 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :git is something you quickly forget when you don't use it much
< 1616715073 927305 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually at the office I'm building CI so git is something that others are asking me about
< 1616715102 297203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of on that note (Nash, not git), UK just published the final design of the new £50 note that features Turing, https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/news/2021/march/the-new-50-note-unveiled
< 1616715102 928490 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now when I didn't work for a while the commands are forgotten ..D
< 1616715124 117822 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use git, because I prefer fossil. (Although, I do not use all of the features of fossil, anyways.)
< 1616715151 275263 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still remember only the main principles such as the merging should be only one-direcitonal
< 1616715152 865336 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about what you say about John Nash. I have not heard/seen either
< 1616715178 456206 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that there should be only one machine that merges to a specific branch
< 1616715199 444342 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-29-236.mobile.vf-ua.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's a shame. It's like hidden offline somewhere, if it's still...
< 1616715246 9482 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-29-236.mobile.vf-ua.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: any reason using fossil instead of something more popular?
< 1616715287 138194 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's git the tool... and then there's workflows that keep people sane while they use it.
< 1616715289 684168 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do merge commits
< 1616715296 186529 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never squash after pushing
< 1616715310 988493 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(better not squash at all)
< 1616715321 493829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question was firmly aimed at the former... the workflow (if you can call it that) that motivated it is not exactly sane.
< 1616715380 986136 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is okay only because this is not a collaboration with anybody
< 1616715412 825358 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used SVN for backuping
< 1616715471 738087 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<nakilon> git is something you quickly forget when you don't use it much" => also it's changing. there's now a git switch command. I had a git switch alias in my config. I had to rename it now.
< 1616715535 158360 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158239.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1616715536 716348 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just use the command instead of the alias, but it doesn't have a -b option to create a branch, so it doesn't really replace my alias.
< 1616715541 176168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got one of those weirdo workflows too, for the repo where I keep all edited config files for the systems I'm responsible for in.
< 1616715547 281971 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the alias is just to checkout with a -- after the branch name)
< 1616715555 298374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a "dist" branch (checked out into a separate worktree) that contains the completely untouched config files as installed by the packages, and then a different branch which is where all the live versions live (together with the machinery to deploy changes). Whenever there's an upgrade that changes one of the edited files, I copy the new dist files into the dist branch, and then do a merge commit 
< 1616715561 260802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the dist branch into the live one. That way "trivial" changes (like, changes to comments or default settings I haven't changed or whatnot) need no manual work.
< 1616715564 48597 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that doesn't sound likea  weirdo workflow
< 1616715580 295196 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas I read the docs but can't understand what does it do
< 1616715595 44144 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like checkout + pull?
< 1616715631 186565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's not that weird, I don't know. I guess if you think of the dist branch as like an "upstream", and think of the other as keeping a long-lived downstream customization branch, it starts to resemble a regular software development flow more.
< 1616715636 350508 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Optionally a new branch could be created with either -c, -C
> 1616715645 364239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81561&oldid=81560 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+190) 10
< 1616715666 835534 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambdabot should learn some another command prefix because people are used to use > for quoting)
< 1616715671 447304 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: it's painful that it's -c and not -b
< 1616715675 235470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect I wouldn't have bothered with the whole thing if Debian's config file update process would learn about merging, but it doesn't. And I guess in the general case it might not have available the clean file from the previous version, maybe.
< 1616715697 635131 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e git won't be git if it was obvious and non-painful
< 1616715718 476098 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I don't think it pulls. it just switches the working copy to a different branch, merging the working copy changes with the differences between the currently checked out commit and what you're switching to. 
< 1616715719 206123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a different kind of git then
< 1616715748 559981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find mercurial painful... not conceptually but because the commands are all slightly wrong, coming from git :-P
< 1616715756 582191 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: ah, there's a -c switch. I might try to use it then, but I won't remember it. it's supposed to be -b . git checkout uses -b , and -c is used for something very different in git diff
< 1616715797 75374 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArthurStrong: I find fossil less confusing than git, mainly.
< 1616715805 208315 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry no, -c is used for something very different in git log
< 1616715815 304446 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas oh is it like git stash git pull git stash apply?
< 1616715822 239823 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I agree with int-e
< 1616715840 455448 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk why it was -b in the first place
< 1616715841 978394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I do Mercurial (of sorts) at work, and find much the same. Also, there's all kinds of "advanced" features (like the draft-vs.-public commit phases, and all the "evolve" stuff) that we make some use of, that I keep forgetting about.
< 1616715854 268667 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slow to adapt, still using `checkout`
< 1616715857 73797 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: no, I think it's like (git checkout "$*" --) which is what my alias does, but I'm not sure, the command is new to me, I never used it, you'll have to ask someone who keeps u with git
< 1616715884 40974 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you also get upset about `hg grep`?
< 1616715909 698435 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use mercurial for looking at hackenv history
< 1616715913 591074 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use `git grep` *a lot*. I have yet to find a use for `hg grep`)
< 1616715921 396716 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :search in changes? git still doesn't really have it
< 1616715928 293678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have to say the TUI interactive commit (`hg commit -i`) thing is kind of nice, compared to git's menu-driven patch/hunk/whatever thing.
< 1616715937 997136 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also like the artifact format of Fossil)
< 1616715945 160707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mercurial at work?
< 1616715959 969892 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought git log -p | grep is what works until I discovered the case when it didn't show some commits and it was unknown why
< 1616715986 592784 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I've never missed it. It's such a rare thing to want that I can  git log --patch  and grep that.
< 1616715990 916151 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-29-236.mobile.vf-ua.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, this is a real problem of git - its UI
< 1616716000 142907 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1616716004 37788 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ymmv
< 1616716013 229826 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e --patch is the same as -p, isn't it? and it happened to not work
< 1616716019 27398 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArthurStrong: it's not the only problem with git
< 1616716032 157509 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: try git log -p -c
< 1616716032 305795 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-29-236.mobile.vf-ua.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sure
< 1616716039 173492 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-29-236.mobile.vf-ua.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what another?
< 1616716041 322256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah.
< 1616716042 159312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`git grep` tends to be much faster than grepping the checked out tree... and it ignores non-tracked files (like compilation artefacts) for free.
< 1616716043 691639 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :git: 'grep` tends to be much faster than grepping the checked out tree... and it ignores non-tracked files (like compilation artefacts) for free.' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
< 1616716044 491882 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :without -c it might not show stuff
< 1616716047 889672 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that* is useful.
< 1616716071 548181 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArthurStrong: I don't feel like ranting about it today. you might find my rants in the channel logs.
< 1616716077 567796 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso: hah
< 1616716080 437208 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1616716082 690394 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-29-236.mobile.vf-ua.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OIC
< 1616716089 759543 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ripgrep also ignores .gitignore
< 1616716105 483259 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can be forces to stop ignoring it by flag, env var or local or global config
< 1616716128 421543 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used both svn and git at work. 
< 1616716141 813024 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: the thing is... these tools are highly polarizing. you get used to one of them, you're likely to dislike all others.
< 1616716160 572319 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as bad as with text editors.
< 1616716162 52856 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I dislike all of them, but I dislike subverions much less than the others
< 1616716163 206513 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas thanks I will the next time
< 1616716168 38684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to git, and I also don't particularly like git.
< 1616716171 847395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does that put me?
< 1616716172 160853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: eww
< 1616716188 744525 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some things I dislike about fossil, so I had started to write my own implementation, although I didn't write much of it yet. (Someone else has had a similar idea, too.)
< 1616716196 393193 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course I'm still hoping for ais523's vaporware version control system (scapegoat)
< 1616716197 909050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Subversion at least supports large files and large repositories, unlike git.
< 1616716223 746142 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e grepping isn't something you "have to so often" and "you are disallowed to install the tool you need"
< 1616716246 900420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think it's good that both HackEso and lambdabot have command prefixes that keep having false positives, then each can think "at least I'm not the only one".
< 1616716248 800041 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something I do often
< 1616716251 160153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1616716333 531028 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah. I had a plan at some point to use longer IRC prefixes, specifically the triplets -0= =0- 0=- 0-= -=0 =-0 , and I might still use those if I ever make an IRC bot that needs a prefix
< 1616716366 137055 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also jevalbot has configuration options to (1) only accept the prefix if there's a space after it, which is useful because I used ] as the prefix and irc nicks can start with ] , 
< 1616716390 152513 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (2) to ignore the short prefix on some channels, accepting only invocation by its nickname
< 1616716392 574126 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is this prefix used?
< 1616716400 590021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is in reserve.
< 1616716400 901441 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prefixes
< 1616716402 273340 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =.
< 1616716407 453086 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1616716407 557745 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
< 1616716439 615743 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but EgoBot has been almost certainly superceded by HackEgo
< 1616716446 476910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I've never realized that lambdabot's "> " is not listed there.
< 1616716456 637936 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1
< 1616716458 780064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1616716463 113748 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, my client makes it visible which bots are missing from online
< 1616716464 631740 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh indeed
< 1616716467 965043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, EgoBot is no more, but I've kind of been thinking about reusing it for esowiki once it *has* commands.
< 1616716487 117728 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/uTT6pYS.png
< 1616716491 716881 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what? why would you add commands to esowiki instead of to HackEso?
< 1616716512 487537 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean HackEso already has a prefix
< 1616716513 233364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t id -- there's also this, but the : is not treated as a generic command prefix.
< 1616716514 834208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> a
< 1616716521 531442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because some things are just not feasible on HackEso.
< 1616716553 310716 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you control it and you can add builtin commands to it, how can anything be not feasable in HackEso but feasable in esowiki?
< 1616716573 350917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They run on different systems.
< 1616716578 576930 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1616716584 415516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sort of, anyway.
< 1616716585 766112 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's why HackEso no longer has a copy of the logs
< 1616716591 93200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1616716649 431309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's something I was thinking of fixing by exposing the logs to it over a network API of some sort. Not that I've made any progress on that.
< 1616716705 729563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that for a special project or a general thing?
< 1616716747 539678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they're not *that* different systems, one's just a namespace-based container on the other, so I imagine I could arrange for the files to be visible. But the logs are no longer text files either, so.
< 1616716752 320999 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I don't see a Search button in logs
< 1616716778 209849 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit!
< 1616716778 209902 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened
< 1616716778 314121 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: Bye!
< 1616716808 304003 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: yes, and I think that's exactly the problem that fizzie wants to solve by commands in esowiki
< 1616716819 463415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: General thing. But with that "of sorts" qualifier. It's the thing that https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/7/204032-why-google-stores-billions-of-lines-of-code-in-a-single-repository/fulltext hints at (if you search for "Mercurial").
< 1616716828 39572 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then have a look at https://github.com/whitequark/irclogger
< 1616716833 54813 :ubq323!~ubq323@host86-155-175-238.range86-155.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.3
< 1616716844 606507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting.
< 1616716861 337327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not interested in switching to a third-party system for the logs.
< 1616716880 688355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew Facebook was doing these things and I guess I heard vague rumors elsewhere.
< 1616716903 929468 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though why there is no Search field in the link that is in repo description but it's here for example https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/ruby/2021-03-26#;
< 1616716958 778636 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: if you want to host a searcher, you can always download the logs from the server and make your own
< 1616716982 193620 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the prefix can be e.g. "hajfbhalfjblajdfbot: " to publicly command hajfbhalfjblajdfbot, and to privately command a bot you can send a private message and no prefix is needed.
< 1616717025 853078 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, if a potential loop is detected, it should use a NOTICE command to respond, in order to break the loop.)
< 1616717040 924365 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I assume that's just an example, and you're aware that Freenode's nick max length is 16
< 1616717058 162082 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, it is just an example.
< 1616717098 900110 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wish more bots responded to their name too besides their short prefix, so you can more easily find out what their short invocation prefix is
< 1616717101 706224 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you reminded me I wanted to make a service for Steam
< 1616717102 19738 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot, help
< 1616717105 712356 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso, help
< 1616717114 687893 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1616717123 139369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was writing a Z80 emulator bot at one point, and for that I was planning to use that schema (of just "nick[:,] " as a prefix for public messages, and nothing for private), but never got around doing that.
< 1616717125 531586 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot does at least respond to its name
< 1616717125 743228 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: send to someone else have already liked it, since our project is due to an another option will be faster.,
< 1616717134 439511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help!
< 1616717134 618317 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: done with class me ladki ne bra me chupa liya. decimal inch of snow. enjoy ur crab was running abt getting food before u go in? i miss you
< 1616717144 89538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a very useful way, yes.
< 1616717150 846397 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think I didn't make termbot respond to its nick, so I'm guilty too
< 1616717173 939223 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jevalbot, help
< 1616717185 452242 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot, help
< 1616717191 373323 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: help
< 1616717191 601526 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |value error: help
< 1616717194 970867 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot, help:
< 1616717211 652270 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it technically responds but not in a useful way that lets you discover anything
< 1616717213 527069 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a char limit for nickname in Steam that is often exceeded when it's in Russian but I've managed to fir the nickname I needed by sqeezing the spaces, capitalizing the words and swapping the letters that look the same, and I noticed that usually it's too hard for people and they cut and ruin their initial ideas
< 1616717249 222511 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: is it often exceeded in Russian because it's measured in utf-8 bytes?
< 1616717271 798260 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need information to discover, you could include it in the real name field maybe
< 1616717276 344616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :multibot's way of hooking up the scripts to respond to things is pretty weird. Like, the ` prefix for HackEso is set up by having a file called multibot_cmds/PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd, because '`' is 0x60.
< 1616717286 768772 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to fit the nickname
< 1616717311 125741 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, yep, every russian char is twice large
< 1616717398 544083 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):003:0> 'ИисусХристосПорноЗвезда'.bytes.size
< 1616717398 768514 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> 46
< 1616717398 768556 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):004:0> 'ИиcycXpиcтocПopнo3вeздa'.bytes.size
< 1616717398 768566 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> 32
< 1616717475 117250 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, mixing with latin
< 1616717686 787761 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes I have a feeling like there are two interfaces for change the nickname in Steam one of which is cutting harder than another one
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< 1616719731 925396 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern competitive programming fans are something
< 1616719751 720071 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these people who put the words "dynamic programming" in every message
< 1616719790 450444 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shared the link https://blog.cryptohack.org/twitter-secrets and they decided it's spam since it's in English )
> 1616722372 46388 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81562&oldid=81550 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+18) 10/* Others (Unofficial) */
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< 1616725536 322780 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if median absolute difference between original histogram and histogram of gauss blurred (1) image in the saturation HSV band is somewhere between 0.18 and 0.4
< 1616725564 726009 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's a nice looking high resolution image
< 1616726773 776633 :arcsor5!~textual@104.206.206.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :competitive programming fans on quora ask stupid questions like "is iq 145 too low for programming" and "is 20 years old too late to become good at competitive programming"
> 1616727040 218433 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zseri14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81563&oldid=53103 5* 03Zseri 5* (-18) 10
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< 1616728299 676933 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcsor5 attention whoring? idk, I rarely hit quora but there is a subreddit that sounds like your quotes
< 1616728331 893035 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/mensa/
< 1616728334 865174 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a cringe
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> 1616741119 163076 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81564&oldid=81562 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (-11) 10
> 1616742092 640212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81565&oldid=81564 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+94) 10
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> 1616743888 720924 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81567&oldid=81566 5* 03LyricLy 5* (-2) 10Fix wording
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< 1616747239 443404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> i should be able to run any program with --dump-source and get all the source code straight out of the binary ← I wrote the Windows installer component of aimake (used by, e.g., NetHack4) to be a quine in that sense
< 1616747249 15869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can install the source code for both the program it's installing, and the installer itself
< 1616747262 137215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it isn't a proper quine, it just reads its own source from disk while preparing the installer
< 1616747809 926549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1616747830 365920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Sort of on that note (Nash, not git), UK just published the final design of the new £50 note that features Turing ← I'm not sure why we still even have £50 notes, if you withdraw a large amount of money from the bank it usually comes as £20s
< 1616747889 545540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been present for bank transfers that were implemented using the old-fashioned method of asking for a large amount of physical cash from one bank and taking it to a different bank in person; this may still be the fastest method, although it's somewhat vulnerable to thieves and I wouldn't do it myself)
< 1616748036 445647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, do we really need [[Category:Stupid family]]?
< 1616748071 185409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have half a mind to just speedy it as "unapproved category", but there's no real urgency and it's probably worth discussing over IRC first
< 1616748107 677517 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I get cash I choose the largest banknote and it's 5000 RUR that is around 60 ƒ I guess
< 1616748130 451176 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not everyone has a change for it, yeah
< 1616748148 488331 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fastfood always have a change
< 1616748157 47348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like 100 RUR has a very similar value to £1 (marginally higher)
< 1616748181 460721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a 5000 RUR note is a close equivalent to a £50 note
< 1616748210 306589 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i assume it's from the same guy who made the only 2 entries?
< 1616748212 872043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many shops here don't accept £50 notes, though, there's a perception that £50 notes are only used by criminals, which means that most non-criminals choose not to use them
< 1616748223 989193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes
< 1616748232 956599 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 5 RUR banknotes in theory https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8C#%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8B
< 1616748250 902425 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know if the languages in particular are that special
< 1616748252 25756 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in practice you'll find only 50 RUR because lower is replaced by coins
< 1616748270 443499 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, why is stupidbasic stupid? it's just a basic dialect
< 1616748273 290189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, the largest commonly used coin is £2 and smallest banknote is £5
< 1616748287 100223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no overlap
< 1616748304 196130 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here, shops have to accept every note if it's within reasonable margin of purchase
< 1616748314 698459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically £5 coins exist, but they're basically just novelties to celebrate special occasions, despite technically being real coins)
< 1616748341 642016 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you purchase something for 5€, the shop _has_ to accept a 50€ note
< 1616748347 222068 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there's a perception that £50 notes are only used by criminals" -- the way you non-verbally behave makes a great difference in how more likely you'll be considered a criminal
< 1616748366 771833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules here are complex, you have to accept any note to cover a debt, but if you haven't agreed to a sale yet, you can put more or less whatever requirements you like on what currency you'll accept in exchange
< 1616748378 91541 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also maybe I'm a criminal?)
< 1616748410 480095 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, regarding the category, i like how it has exactly 2 entries and the description is "some languages don't share some of the aspects"
< 1616748410 964380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the credit card companies generally require the businesses they deal with to agree not to discriminate against credit card users, as part of their license to be able to accept credit cards)
< 1616748435 583592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I noted that, it's likeable in an amusement sense but dislikeable in the being-a-reasonable-category sense
< 1616748444 411212 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1616748579 864219 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you type £ ?
< 1616748605 676429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a UK keyboard, shift-3
< 1616748615 649332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty common character over here so we have an easy shortcut for it
< 1616748628 146408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :€ is altgr-4 because all the reasonable shift-combinations were already taken
< 1616748632 142741 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I'm using US layout I guess
< 1616748634 733216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time the euro was invented
< 1616748650 431642 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is altgr?
< 1616748662 875152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's between space and right ctrl, replacing the right alt
< 1616748663 412600 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right alt key
< 1616748667 372709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't normally need two alt keys
< 1616748685 196001 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh £ is opt-3 on my layout
< 1616748697 194737 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, on altgr + numbers, i have ¹²³¼½¬{[]}\
< 1616748714 227700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Windows it appears to be equivalent to ctrl-alt in nearly all contexts; on X11 it gives access to a huge range of special characters
< 1616748719 483215 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also being the main reason people hate that layput for programming
< 1616748764 64817 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift -- !@#$%^&*()_+ ;alt -- ¡™£¢∞§¶•ªº–≠ ;alt+shift -- ⁄€‹›ﬁﬂ‡°·‚—±
< 1616748767 28789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly, Windows appears to have placed é on ctrl-alt-e / altgr-e on UK keyboards at some point, and some keyboards will even have an é on the bottom-right of the E key to illustrate that
< 1616748772 270847 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have fun whoever parses this day log)
< 1616748799 206774 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL I even have Euro sign
< 1616748830 321476 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swiss keyboard is weird. it's the only one i know where caps lock + shift + letter does not necessarily equal to the letter without modifiers
< 1616748846 854218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: oddly, I have {[]} on altgr-7890 despite the fact that I also have physical [ and ] keys (which are shiftable into { and })
< 1616748860 463849 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess using Alt on Windows is something new at all
< 1616748879 301682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK keyboards actually have one more physical key than US keyboards do, between ' and Return
< 1616748891 492937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces # unshifted and ~ shifted
< 1616748895 679094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where is ~ on a US keyboard?)
< 1616748896 159175 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, caps lock + a is ä, caps lock + shift + a is Ä instead of a
< 1616748921 200328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: on Windows (also most Linux programs) Alt is used for keyboard navigation of GUI programs
< 1616748923 877260 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\|«|» -- this is the key between ' and Enter for me
< 1616748940 993156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be underlined letters all over the interface (although nowadays the underlines normally only become visible if you hold Alt)
< 1616748955 115968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holding alt and pressing an underlined letter is equivalent to clicking on the letter, or whatever it labels
< 1616748961 483001 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the days
< 1616748970 751409 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 yep, that's why I was surprised to hear about ctrl+alt+e
< 1616748977 471138 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i use alt to switch between irc channels, like god intended it
< 1616748985 158471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: that still works with the *left* alt key
< 1616749035 983991 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname btw I changed Capslock to switch ENG/RUS
< 1616749045 29577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rebound caps lock to compose
< 1616749051 131892 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i changes capslock to a global push to talk
< 1616749071 761368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have a caps lock (which is useful on occasion), but it really doesn't deserve a single key of its own so I put it on shift-shift
< 1616749074 806891 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :capslock is my Jump in games
< 1616749090 320262 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not very intellij friendly
< 1616749105 128728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does intellij use caps lock for?
< 1616749115 591993 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses shift-shift
< 1616749121 233702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1616749124 15147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it use that for?
< 1616749142 133208 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an "open file" window
< 1616749143 196989 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear RAM and stop lagging for a minute?
< 1616749156 906421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bizarre binding
< 1616749161 602139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd normally expect that to be on Ctrl-something
< 1616749167 428719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or Command-something on a Mac)
< 1616749171 586403 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: no, that's alt+f4
< 1616749192 252155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most programs, alt-f4 causes additional lag, rather than removing it
< 1616749198 607430 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i find it pretty reasonable, because it's something you are going to use very often
< 1616749204 480207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be a consequence of them doing something like trying to recurse over all memory to free it
< 1616749217 319224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I find shift-shift fairly hard to press, compared to ctrl-letter
< 1616749240 19161 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he must have big hands
< 1616749241 667656 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? ctrl is lower than shift and you have to reach the other key
< 1616749242 215509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is this a window that lists open files, or a window that opens files?
< 1616749253 795536 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it opens them
< 1616749274 185098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I move my hands quite a lot when typing, they move onto each other's halves of the keyboard frequently
< 1616749287 249455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-shift forces me to move them much further apart than I'd normally have them, making it slower to type
< 1616749292 575784 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the O letter isn't far from right Ctrl
< 1616749308 343476 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of maniac uses right ctrl?
< 1616749316 806432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in the word "type", I type the "y" with my left hand because the right hand is covering "p" which is at the far end of the keyboard, that means my left hand is nowhere near left shift
< 1616749325 465751 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, I don't open files on Windows at all
< 1616749335 752865 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I use only mouse there
< 1616749371 147522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when using an IDE, typically I have a tree view of all the files in the source directory in a corner of the screen somewhere, and use a mouse to open files by clicking on that
< 1616749402 844736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even more commonly, use implicit open via search, "go to definition", etc.
< 1616749417 669533 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would mean i know where every file is
< 1616749426 8567 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on Macbook any Cmd+ combinations are handy because the Cmd is on both sides of Space so you press it with the 1st finger, not 5th
< 1616749430 452394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually do, even at work
< 1616749449 223323 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the project is far to big for that
< 1616749465 642965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm using Emacs, I will usually try to have all the files open simultaneously and just use C-x C-b to switch between them, or search
< 1616749474 847283 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also on macOS I don't really close files -- I keep them all opened forever
< 1616749478 589569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it sounds like myname's projects would be too big for that, too
< 1616749485 385142 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it reduces the amount of openings too
< 1616749516 848654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking, though, I like project structures which don't have many levels of hierarchy, just a few main directories and lots of files in each
< 1616749522 787981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there aren't many places I'd have to look for any given file
< 1616749564 340693 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opening a couple thousand files at once sounds like a bad ide
< 1616749608 558403 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw, while on Windows you may open the modal file browsing dialog and click with your mouse on macOS you press Ctrl+Cmd+G in that dialog and it opens the small submodal window with a single field to chose the path by typing with autocomplete just like in Terminal
< 1616749631 320655 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I almost never click in the file browsing dialogs
< 1616749659 699255 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I mean, I navigate to the folder with that submodal and then click
< 1616749703 365303 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be cool if they also add the ability to chose the file in that submodal to make it even more handy
< 1616749794 909008 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname I don't edit thousands of files; if I only need to read them I read them in terminal, not IDE
< 1616749821 103398 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a weird way of programming
< 1616749847 784519 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading isn't programming
< 1616749874 800375 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have terminal and ide opened the same amount of time because two displays
< 1616749897 190020 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have terminals open way more
< 1616749909 545583 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would i irc otherwise
< 1616750199 246652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, generally speaking it makes sense to have all the text/source files in the project you're working on in memory simultaneously
< 1616750217 581831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) text files generally aren't that large, so there's room, b) grepping an entire project is a common operation
< 1616750235 225225 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you usually don't know which files you are going to work on
< 1616750252 3977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and c) if you load a file into memory, modern OSes will treat the file itself as swap backing the memory, so there's no actual cost in terms of how much else you can fit into memory
< 1616750288 964164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… do you think the source code for Windows, minus any binaries / assets / large data files / images / resources etc., comes to more or less than 1GB?
< 1616750293 97592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess less, but I'm not sure
< 1616750365 861844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grepping 1GB of data that's already in memory shouldn't take that long on a modern computer
< 1616750478 184878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… I wonder whether nontemporal reads would make a significant improvement for that sort of workflow?
< 1616750566 38021 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1616750603 22395 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to force myself to use the "Projects" in Sublime Text that is kind of opening a new window per project with its folder tree opened on the left
< 1616750618 863603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern processors are so fast that most algorithms are bottlenecked on either memory write or memory read, so explicit cache control hints can cause noticeable improvements
< 1616750660 453042 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but: 1) if there is a folder in it with thousands of asset files it wastes time on rereading the file tree 2) it's harder to navigate between multiple windows rather than one opened all the time
< 1616750731 904636 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess you can blacklist the subfolder in the Project settings but that's a new config file
< 1616750802 457364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asset files are such an issue for everything programming-related :-(
< 1616750824 562785 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that greatly depends on the storage complexity of the algorithm
< 1616750825 988124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best solution I know is to have them in a different tree from the source (e.g. assets/ and src/ as subdirectories of your main project directory)
< 1616750854 246679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: of course, but what I'm mostly focused on is making the linear-time algorithms faster
< 1616750872 159413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been spending weeks looking at low-level processor performance in order to write the world's fastest FizzBuzz
< 1616750883 770939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I know how to do it, now, just can't be motivated to actually sit down and write the program
< 1616750943 835336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the basic idea is to have a small bytecode program in L1 cache, where each byte of program generates a byte of output, and where a full loop of the program generates 2400 lines of output
< 1616750947 236522 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lol, i think i made the world's fastest fizzbuzz for the codegolf challenge
< 1616750954 436220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, was that you?
< 1616750957 458702 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1616750963 773353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the idea a while ago, forgot about it, then saw it on codegolf and got obsessed
< 1616750977 786147 :LKoen!~LKoen@191.254.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1616750978 676651 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/215236/61379
< 1616750992 246330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the answers there seem to use write(2) for output at the moment, which inherently bottlenecks you to a fairly low speed
< 1616751011 763505 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should we use instead?
< 1616751035 250119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it forces a memcpy of your data inside the kernel, which a) doubles your cache pressure and b) the copy loop itself is slow beacuse you can fizzbuzz as fast as a memcpy
< 1616751046 986861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been looking into using vmsplice(2) but it's much harder to set up
< 1616751054 774924 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, i'm aware of that. i thought that we could probably make this thing bootable
< 1616751059 192704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to make sure that the data never leaves the L2 cache
< 1616751060 97566 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and send the fizzbuzz thingy via serial
< 1616751076 866468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly, that could actually be *faster* because you could make sure that the data never left the L*1* cache
< 1616751083 79087 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :codegolf.stackexchange.com is such a toxic place
< 1616751108 449164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason the L2 cache needs to get involved in the first place is that kernel overhead is too high if you're just sending an L1-cache's worth of data with every system call
< 1616751137 161980 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, using vmsplice would be really smart
< 1616751148 904268 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were copying the puzzles from another website that had a rule "don't solve it publicly/collectively, don't share solutions" -- I mentioned it and they just started insulting me for that
< 1616751153 314765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: how so? I really dislike Stack Exchange itself (the general attitude of the admin, and the software running it), but I've never had a problem with CGCC's community as people even if I disagree with many of their rules
< 1616751164 656777 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon, link please?
< 1616751173 649876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: the trick is to make sure that you don't touch the page containing the written data until after it's already been read, otherwise you trigger a copy-on-write page fault
< 1616751182 820748 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I posted my 99 bottles solution that was the shortest among them but I censored it partially -- they deleted my submission, lol
< 1616751196 245631 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fair point
< 1616751201 164631 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos that was like 6 years ago
< 1616751214 819378 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it was in beta
< 1616751222 869318 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon, i can assure you that the community has changed a lot during these 6 years, most of the old regulars are gone now and the community is fairly fresh
< 1616751237 494949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, vmsplice is faster the simpler the page table is (it does a pagewalk), which means you ideally want to be using hugepages, and that makes it even harder to not touch the page containing the written data
< 1616751240 93616 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit of a shame, because i liked some of the old regulars, but i guess that it is how it is.
< 1616751244 443387 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stage when it's a phase of discussing the rules of the site, but they didn't want to discuss, they wanted to have fun only, kids
< 1616751257 283182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack Exchange admin drove most of the better golfers away from the site, I think
< 1616751297 385609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a partially censored solution would, I think, get deleted because it isn't a correct soultion
< 1616751314 905772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problems copied from elsewhere would normally be copyright violations, though, and should be deleted because of that
< 1616751321 82993 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the correct solutions didn't have to exist there in the first place
< 1616751321 295528 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :]
< 1616751331 865687 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the website where they took the puzzle from is prohibiting it
< 1616751338 864244 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just disrespectful
< 1616751346 581133 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't have posted anything then, and flagged the post to a moderator.
< 1616751361 476032 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I did and I got insults for that
< 1616751365 26494 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in meta, etc.
< 1616751366 750360 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for _flagging_?
< 1616751369 286314 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1616751383 401700 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on SO I even get bans for flagging
< 1616751384 648437 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this drama is 6 year old now, scratching the wound won't help probably
< 1616751387 460418 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :week long bans, lol
< 1616751393 201182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 years ago is 2015, that would predate most of the current mods and most of the mods before then
< 1616751395 304557 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, if you flag content that doesn't break the rules.
< 1616751405 678387 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's why I don't visit that toxic place for years
< 1616751409 893353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that might predate the first mod election?
< 1616751416 568276 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to believe, but people sometimes change
< 1616751429 793836 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i respect your stance, but it's nice to give people another go
< 1616751429 900340 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :codegolf on SE has died for me when it was prohibited on SO
< 1616751446 995887 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :codegolf is mildly recreational so it doesn't fit SO all that well
< 1616751451 299494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think a golf website could only reasonably have the rules of "please don't discuss these problems/solutions elsewhere" if the problems are fairly unique/unusual
< 1616751466 315159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they'd be likely to be recreated by chance
< 1616751469 894957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether or not that was the case here
< 1616751500 703103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: fwiw, the SE *software* is so bad for a codegolf site that it's a good reason to not go there even if/when there's nothing wrong with the community
< 1616751527 674327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm protesting against it by intentionally avoiding reputation, locking my account to 11 reputation permanently
< 1616751541 242626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the incentives for reputation go against what good golfing is
< 1616751584 856697 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they even realise finally that half of the problems they are posting isn't codegolf? I mean those problems that have the shortest solution as "for (;;) { if test( rand() ) break }"
< 1616751614 867832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would seem unlikely to be the shortest solution to something
< 1616751618 432087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example?
< 1616751657 784687 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes people count tokens
< 1616751661 131110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tersest solution to a problem is often very inefficient because "generate all possible answers then test to see if the answer is correct" is often shorter to express than actually trying to solve the problem efficiently
< 1616751679 297347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not quite the same
< 1616751679 444034 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you achieve locking yourself at 11rep
< 1616751685 740094 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was years ago too; the point is that the problem does not fit the codegolf if it can be solved in just an hour of generating random solutions in a loop
< 1616751691 467674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: never post questions + community-wiki every answer
< 1616751704 591237 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, makes sense
< 1616751722 792369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there's a whole genre of esolangs that boils relevant keywords down to single bytes, that's pretty much replaced token-counting
< 1616751744 308992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part is trying to get the number of bytes for the plumbing down, too, things like parentheses and variable names can be very costly at that sort of scale
< 1616751746 474226 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon, that's because of the golfing languages which i (and lots of other people) dislike
< 1616751757 102547 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never upvote submissions made with golflangs
< 1616751779 586549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think golfing languages tell you more about programming and communication than regular languages
< 1616751786 273464 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that thing was making me leave too
< 1616751812 788780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) they tend to have relevant concepts as built-ins in the languages rather than needing you to write them out every time or use a library, meaning there's less busywork/copy-and-paste
> 1616751827 123918 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Palaiologos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81568&oldid=79799 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (-86) 10deadlink removal
< 1616751829 704874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) they try to strip communication down to its essentials, trying to capture the essence of just what it means to describe a problem
< 1616751838 210993 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl, python, ruby, haskell, J, K -- it wasn't enough for them, they made the stupid golfscript, that is kind of the same as HQ9++
< 1616751857 598073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, HQ9++ is generally disliked, and golfscript is actually very verbose as golfing languages go
< 1616751874 478514 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the field of developing golflangs is interesting
< 1616751875 574544 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :golfscript didn't even have a standard
< 1616751878 491619 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the field of using them is boring as heck
< 1616751887 253041 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some guy just made it up and was editing it every day, lol
< 1616751901 85229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: your opinion is close to mine on this
< 1616751920 336250 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even myself wanted to make an ultimate golflang which in the end failed because it required too much effort :P
< 1616751948 559955 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, coming up with the right set of builtins and syntax is hard, because for example your usual stack-based code probably isn't _the_ smallest as it gets
< 1616751948 945507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the way I see it, sometimes the interest is in developing the tersest algorithm, and seeing how hard it is to express the algorithm in a golfing language is a good way to define how complex the algorithm is
< 1616751968 245875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: I've actually been working on one in parallel with this conversation
< 1616751981 255777 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some people on CGCC literally admitted to run a bruteforcing tool to find solutions to problems.
< 1616751995 935341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that too, but only in very low-level esolangs
< 1616752004 560954 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example :')?
< 1616752014 306292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a brute-forcer Brain-Flak
< 1616752016 124270 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, when I was saying about finding the solution in a loop I didn't mean they generate the code in a loop
< 1616752017 443759 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did an elaborate bruteforce for Malbolge, and probably nothing else.
< 1616752017 865178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* for Brain-Flak
< 1616752032 580541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that solves problems like "given x above y on the stack, find code that replaces them with y above x+y"
< 1616752034 757377 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code they submit is a loop that generates the STDOUT solutions to STDIN
< 1616752062 233003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: there used to be a lot of cheating by not actually answering the problem in the past, but that's mostly been banned nowadays
< 1616752063 20169 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, codegolf is really specific and somewhat unfair, yeah, that's why each language has it's own leaderboard
< 1616752070 350093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main cheating that happens nowadays is in I/O conventions
< 1616752075 1871 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye[
< 1616752078 249337 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes
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< 1616752108 380483 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine brute force to be fair game.
< 1616752144 908213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a whole challenge can be solved by brute force alone then it's too simple.
< 1616752153 270060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think that the fact that brute force algos (i.e. brute force at runtime, not compile time) are often terser than more efficient algorithms is an indictment of compilers being bad at optimizing
< 1616752169 575934 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can just make a universal "solver" for every codegolf in the world in this way
< 1616752175 674763 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that kind of brute force
< 1616752176 577839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very few challenges are simple enough to be solved by brute-forcing all posisble programs until you find one that works, even intelligently
< 1616752208 464737 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (;;) { string = rand_string(); break if md5(string) == "83yn8237hr8374hr" }
< 1616752216 426482 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once submitted an O(2^n) time sorting algorithm (O(2^n/n) average time if my analysis back then was correct) to a golfing competition and got away with it.
< 1616752217 108600 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just change the hash for every puzzle
< 1616752217 895173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: that doesn't work
< 1616752219 324813 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid
< 1616752240 432821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your program is longer than 16 bytes or so, the brute-forcer will almost certainly find a second preimage before it finds the actual program you wanted
< 1616752249 658284 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 that's how they solve 99-bottles-like puzzles
> 1616752252 612750 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81569&oldid=81513 5* 03Strohtaler 5* (+291) 10/* Example: Fibonacci stopping after number count */ new section
< 1616752262 357575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: that *doesn't work* in that it will *produce the wrong answer*
< 1616752305 695883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash collisions are a thing, e.g. SHA-256 has a 1 in 2²⁵⁶ chance of any random string happening to collide with the hash you give
< 1616752312 264002 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 do you mean the md5 collision? that's not the point, that's the principle -- make a regex instead of md5, whatever
< 1616752312 583064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( head -n NNN /dev/urandom )
< 1616752327 706389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the actual desired output will take way more than 2²⁵⁶ trials on average to find
< 1616752334 891749 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1616752343 289400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it will almost certainly find a second preimage before it finds the answer you want
< 1616752349 29187 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were submitting the solutions that work for a week to find it
< 1616752354 442705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I'm reminded of http://golf.shinh.org/setpid.html
< 1616752364 562115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone submitted that as an answer to the 99bob problem then it would get deleted due to being incorrect
< 1616752377 664750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the length of time it takes to produce the wrong answer is way more than weeks, but irrelevant)
< 1616752410 219679 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they didn't delete, they insulted me for that
< 1616752425 271647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that would happen nowadays, with people having a better understanding of golfing
< 1616752448 996184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: anagol eventually found a better fix for that, the recheck button
< 1616752463 91415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which runs the program again and disqualifies the submission if it produces the wrong answer
< 1616752464 835041 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's cute
< 1616752478 976119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, programs that only sometimes print the correct answer are no longer allowed
< 1616752494 596939 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe in places becoming better while the number of people in it increases, it's always the opposite
< 1616752497 438787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagol isn't the only golfing site that was susceptible to this, incidentally, similar tricks have been used elsewhere
< 1616752500 551464 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though a bit sad in the case of language changes
< 1616752509 75059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: but the number of people has decreased on CGCC
< 1616752521 464160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does it keep a record of the disqualified solutions?)
< 1616752527 244105 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1616752527 562843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of the details
< 1616752564 162218 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it's one thing to have a program produce random output
< 1616752703 788917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another to have a program that relied on an older version of the language in question (I'm aware of this for Haskell, which removed n+k-patterns...)
< 1616752749 926710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on CGCC, programs that only work in old interpreters are generally considered to be in a different language from programs that work in newer interpreters too
< 1616752772 492355 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even 5 years ago, lol
< 1616752785 448371 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my currently existing 4 answers are Jan 28 '11
< 1616752802 548157 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is fast...
< 1616752811 351600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've submitted a CGCC answer which only worked in one specific old version of Java (IIRC 1.4)
< 1616752823 471609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: oh, the site was a complete joke in 2011, I can see why you were driven away
> 1616753069 27678 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81570&oldid=81569 5* 03Strohtaler 5* (+250) 10/* Example: Fibonacci stopping after number count */
< 1616753508 717444 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did haskell remove n+k patterns?
< 1616753633 883179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they were odd, potentially confusing... they needed both arithmetic and a comparison to be implemented
< 1616753657 539305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in contrast to the plain numeric patterns, they were not all that common or useful.
< 1616753740 455486 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all in all... no strong reasons, just an opinionated decision by the people writing the Haskell 2010 standard document
< 1616753761 586388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc still supports them as a language extension anyway
< 1616753777 25172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+k seems more like an agda feature than a haskell feature
< 1616753793 146927 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was learning haskell i was wondering why n+k isn't a thing too
< 1616753801 758941 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed kinda handy to me
< 1616753806 332122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because agda is implemented as-if it uses peano arithmetic and n+k patterns are genuine pattern matches there
< 1616753837 96981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_10
< 1616753837 311172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!3)<$>transpose[show$foldr(\k a->2*10^2^n+a*k`div`(2*k+1))0[1..2^n]|n<-[0..]]
< 1616753841 54871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_10
< 1616753841 381138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(sum$scanl div(100^n)[1..[4..]!!n])!!n|n<-[0..]]
< 1616753848 644954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, pi_10 is longer than I remember.
< 1616753851 50338 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, having both a comparison (the 'n' has to be nonnegative) and arithmetic in one place is what made them occasionally useful for golfing.
< 1616753900 74237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a slightly shorter variant of one of those that took way longer to evaluate than lambdabot allows.
< 1616753933 167353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but adding {-#LANGUAGE NPlusKPatterns#-} will generally not pay off :-)
< 1616754006 245516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many "golfing" competitions are there where the program size is fixed, and the goal is to find the best solution within that size?
< 1616754024 170051 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define best?
< 1616754026 200872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know of one that was run that way, and it was barely code golf, really.
< 1616754043 443403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best defined by the problem.
< 1616754068 784708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of http://djm.cc/bignum-results.txt
< 1616754089 606806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess the C++ error explosion competition was sort of like this too in a sense.
< 1616754124 8301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you see them on CGCC occasionally, normally in challenges which are directly or indirectly bignum-related
< 1616754139 741205 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf PI is always longer than you remember ..D
< 1616754196 882867 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf also there are contests for finding the best solution with fixed time limit
< 1616754385 192554 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization
< 1616754500 935824 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, here your Mars lander has to use as low amount of fuel as possible https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization/mars-lander
< 1616754516 543932 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also engines will stop when depleted
> 1616754849 429649 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81571&oldid=81570 5* 03Strohtaler 5* (+9) 10/* Question / Understanding */
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< 1616758545 437090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw a "speed golf" thing (find the 'fastest' way of doing something) somewhere too, but can't recall the details, or where.
< 1616758860 823287 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need a well-defined time measure
< 1616758920 539276 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :language discrimination (
< 1616759023 581745 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually on codingame you have to use some C anyway to get to the very top of A.I. contests
< 1616759052 393995 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they traverse deep into the tree
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< 1616759182 763849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a (playful) competition of sorts for a university course once that I was helping to run, initially with Scheme (using SICP's metacircular evaluator as the time measurement) but later on the JVM (with a bit fuzzier process-time-based time limits), on who writes the best "AI" for a specific (non-standard) board game.
< 1616759227 69783 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had one of those at uni, too, in Python
< 1616759243 901784 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a variant of battleships with pieces which weren't straight lines
< 1616759298 835042 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1616759299 713040 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes think about such thing when imagining an AI contest -- it should be some unique language with your own VM that sums the weights of the commands executed
< 1616759300 286868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was vaguely chess-like, but with an interesting two-step non-local capture mechanism (you "target" a piece first, and then capture on the next turn if the criteria for capturing are still fulfilled).
< 1616759345 775481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the same sort of results visualizations (and a web game viewer) that we've done with bf joust, I wonder if those pages are still up somewhere.
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< 1616759372 440399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably not, it's been quite long. Then again, university people aren't that keen on cleaning up web servers.)
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< 1616759506 866597 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs
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< 1616759541 184293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, the university wiki page that explains how to use the framework is at least still up. But it doesn't have a link to the results pages. https://wiki.aalto.fi/display/T934400/Guide
< 1616759551 204222 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things we talk about now are by magnitudes more complex than what all my coding friends (not even mentioning offline friends) could even understand
< 1616759551 779075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the link to the game's page is just a 404 now.
< 1616759630 565747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's spam in the comments, as with any unmaintained wiki with a commenting facility. :)
< 1616760066 48355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah! My personal user account web directory's still around. That's ridiculous, but maybe shouldn't be surprising.
< 1616760069 672787 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Atlassian instance with free registration?
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< 1616760147 95999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, no idea... I imagine they needed separate accounts for some use cases (non-student collaborators or whatnot), but a bit surprising that they didn't just create accounts separately for that.
< 1616760185 935758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it actually requires manual review for account creation, otherwise you'd think there'd be more spam.)
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< 1616760366 863591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my favourite visualization was the "time used per game" thing, because you got really different graphs depending on how people implemented their time bookkeeping. Like, http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/ai2012/img/cpu_justice.png (the 2012 winner) is probably some sort of a "use a specific fraction of remaining time per move" kind of thing, while 
< 1616760371 804111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/ai2012/img/cpu_angrymarmots.png is something more linear/situational.
< 1616760524 312580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the JS-based game viewer still works. That's making me smile. Gotta be thankful for that backwards-compatibility and "dumb" web servers vs. "smart" clients, I guess. http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/ai2012/game.xhtml?justice-phailbot 
< 1616760542 148213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the XHTML 1.1 doctype's kind of obsolete by now.
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< 1616762799 107519 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "<ais523> many shops here don't accept £50 notes, though, there's a perception that £50 notes are only used by criminals" => we don't have that perception, but shops sometimes refuse 10000 HUF or 20000 HUF notes because they don't have enough change for them. and the problem is, ATMs usually give you cash in the form of 10000 HUF and 20000 HUF notes, but post offices make it difficult to actually 
< 1616762805 92699 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :change these to smaller notes. so I'm quite affraid that within 10 years the whole fucking currency, including non-cache forms, will die in a cascading collapse where everyone will realize that 10000 HUF and 20000 HUF banknotes aren't actually worth 10000 HUF or 20000 HUF, so you can't reliably get money from your bank account as cash.
< 1616762880 760343 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<myname> ais523: here, shops have to accept every note if it's within reasonable margin of purchase" => well yes, but that doesn't help. cash does work well if you're doing building construction or reconstruction work, but not so well for everyday grocery purchases
< 1616762925 624297 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1616762934 504905 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't use it, usually, but i did
< 1616762965 571601 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<nakilon> […] the way you non-verbally behave makes a great difference in how more likely you'll be considered a criminal" => and the way you look too. and since I do look sort of like a criminal, I make efforts to conspiciously look like I'm not stealing when I'm in a supermarket or other large shop
< 1616763052 440672 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh look, that suspicious dude again" -- "nah, he's just from esolang"
< 1616763082 90476 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<nakilon> wtf is altgr?" => either the right alt key, or control plus the left alt key, used as a third layer besides unshifted and shifted for typing characters. you need to know about both right-alt and control+left-alt, because sometimes programs will preempt using one or the other for some shortcut so you can only type something with the other one.
< 1616763130 857060 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's the end of March, exactly the year of growing my beard
< 1616763223 725822 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<nakilon> he must have big hands" => I do have big hands, yes. useful for a rubik's cube.
< 1616763245 462093 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would actually _not_ use cash for stuff like building constructions and use it for groceries
< 1616763296 289820 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this epidemic is a gold for datamining
< 1616763300 454150 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<myname> how so? ctrl is lower than shift and you have to reach the other key" => I press control with the left edge of my left palm. this is an idiosyncratic thing that almost nobody else does, and it restricts my choice of keyboards significantly, because on most cheap keyboards the left control key is shaped in a way that this doesn't work. it does work well on classical keyboards similar to the 
< 1616763306 405635 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :model M and more expensive keyboards though.
< 1616763317 19714 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recommend learning this by the way, just press control with your pinky like a normal person.
< 1616763323 606951 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does work well for me.
< 1616763328 698008 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may or may not require large hands.
< 1616763366 488593 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing ctrl with the edge of your hand sounds like pressing ctrl+a very uncomfortable
< 1616763378 555351 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> shift-shift forces me to move them much further apart than I'd normally have them, making it slower to type" => we used to use shift+shift to switch between Hungarian and English keyboard layouts, before windows put it onto left-alt+shift or windows+space by default
< 1616763458 776353 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> e.g. in the word "type", I type the "y" with my left hand because the right hand is covering "p" which is at the far end of the keyboard, that means my left hand is nowhere near left shift" => I don't understand this. how is left shift even relevant for the word "type"? if you mean "y" instead of left shift, I still don't get it.
< 1616763523 487699 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you type with classic 10 finger system (which i hate) on qwerty, the y is supposed to be pressed with your right index finger
< 1616763536 627675 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost never use the wrong hand for letters when typing text, but I do often use the wrong shift key (left shift when right shift would be easier), and sometimes use the wrong hand when pressing individual keys rather than contiguous text
< 1616763598 314628 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<nakilon> also on macOS I don't really close files -- I keep them all opened forever" => that doesn't really solve how you open them again though, or how you find the already opened instance
< 1616763613 972726 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't close them, you want an open command for finding the already open instance
< 1616763777 277049 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hmm… I wonder whether nontemporal reads would make a significant improvement for that sort of workflow?" => I doubt it. nontemporal works for random access, but not for sequential access. you don't have large enough registers (before avx512) to load an entire cache line, so to read anything sequentially you'll need to read the same cache line twice or four times, and nontemporal makes that worse.
< 1616763850 109416 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> I've been spending weeks looking at low-level processor performance in order to write the world's fastest FizzBuzz" => I feel like you have to optimize displaying the output for that. presumably with actual VGA text mode, rather than a terminal emulator.
< 1616763925 857357 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how you find the already opened instance" -- fuzzy file path search feature that is probably now in all IDEs
< 1616763943 134200 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<kspalaiologos> and send the fizzbuzz thingy via serial" => that's even worse, serial terminal speed is the bottleneck then, isn't it? or maybe these USB3 serial port drivers make it faster? hmm
< 1616763947 215216 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard only
< 1616764125 272408 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<nakilon> did they even realise finally that half of the problems they are posting isn't codegolf?" => how is that a problem? it started as a "programming puzzles and code golf" site, then got renamed to "code golf" when people mostly posted golf, but you can still post non-golf problems
< 1616764190 455386 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter if there was "programming puzzles" in the name they always ranked answers by char length
< 1616764229 326029 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> community-wiki every answer" => there's a backdoor where you can turn a question to CW if you edit it like sixteen times, waiting between so the versions aren't coalesced. does that work for answers too, and can you do it if you have reputation 1?
< 1616764338 406974 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<kspalaiologos> but some people on CGCC literally admitted to run a bruteforcing tool to find solutions to problems." => as they should, if problems are so simple that that works. the solution to that is to post more interesting problems.
< 1616764456 561306 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if problems are so simple that that works. the solution to that is to post more interesting problems." -- there will be no "solution" because no one was interested in "solving" it, because they all considered it to be valid codegolfing -- you can't "solve" it by trying to teach a thousand of users by "showing better example of problems" because
< 1616764456 667879 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll just ignore it -- this is what the voting system is now for on SE
< 1616764481 166278 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a community driven censorship of those who have something to say instead of just repeating each other
< 1616764502 125870 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> so, programs that only sometimes print the correct answer are no longer allowed" => ah, so $$ in perl is no longer as useful
< 1616764589 486252 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> I know I've submitted a CGCC answer which only worked in one specific old version of Java (IIRC 1.4)" => I have an old post about that phenomenon at https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=866594 . 
< 1616764732 535157 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<shachaf> How many "golfing" competitions are there where the program size is fixed, and the goal is to find the best solution within that size?" => there was one old competition for writing a rubik's cube solver where your score was the product of (your program size) with (your program runtime) with (number of face turns in the solution found) or something like that. 
< 1616764760 330364 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are demoscene competitions limited to 4 kilobytes and, um, 64 kilobytes? or something that fit
< 1616764767 972238 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, they don't count as golf
< 1616764901 868852 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1616764902 13847 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<myname> why not?" => because the grocery purchases are of lower value
< 1616764927 345552 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas>  I don't understand this. ← talking about how shift-shift is a bad shortcut because normally at least one of my hands isn't near the corresponding shift
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< 1616764945 5764 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ... so it is actually easier to check if the amount given is enough to pay
< 1616764986 823109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1616765002 35191 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<myname> i would actually _not_ use cash for stuff like building constructions" => you don't really get a choice. basically all the people working for individual construction projects (i.e. reconstructing your home house, as opposed to big projects that the government commissions) will ask for cash. you can still use cash for groceries though, and often have to at smaller vendors, because only larger 
< 1616765008 35444 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones accept cards.
< 1616765034 768730 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<myname> pressing ctrl with the edge of your hand sounds like pressing ctrl+a very uncomfortable" => not really. it's not the easiest control key, but it's not too hard either.
< 1616765048 212080 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :control+b is actually harder
< 1616765085 890644 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<myname> if you type with classic 10 finger system (which i hate) on qwerty, the y is supposed to be pressed with your right index finger" => yes, and I don't understand ais's rationale for presssing it with the left hand
< 1616765106 283523 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find it strange that he presses it with his left hand, that's quite reasonable, but I don't understand his specific argument
< 1616765192 18160 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: yes, but you don't need to switch between Hungarian and English layout often, it's a rare action, so it's fine to use a not too good shortcut. but yes, it's a bad shortcut.
< 1616765298 678380 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cash vs card reminds me. in the US some people still use cheques. I only ever received a cheque once, as a prize for a golfing competition organized by an american company. I never wrote a cheque, it's not a thing in Europe, not anymore at least.
< 1616765386 457082 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just use cash, debit cards, credit cards, various cards and paper slips with restricted usage (e.g. food only) as tax saving measures, and the occasional shop-specific gift card
< 1616765559 375012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a shortcut for switching between the UK and FI layouts, but for some unexplicable reason gave that up, and now write the two accented characters you need in Finnish (ä, ö) using the dead-key accents the UK layout has (altgr-[, where [ is the key immediately to the right of p, produces a dead diaeresis).
> 1616765569 603832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Baba Is You14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81572&oldid=79953 5* 03Bo Tie 5* (+500) 10Baba is not confirmed to be a rabbit. Also fixed capitalization inconsistency and added more words
< 1616765609 347106 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you type their capital versions Ä and Ö?
< 1616765620 831074 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you not need those for finnish? I am hazy on how finnish works
< 1616765629 650453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just altgr-[ follwed by shift-A.
< 1616765641 344639 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, dead-key accents
< 1616765659 433116 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not single altgr combos. I see
< 1616765678 999287 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you type a lot of finnish with accents?
< 1616765709 446711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any nontrivial amount of Finnish will require ä or ö, if that's what you mean. But I don't write that much in Finnish in the first place.
< 1616765732 343413 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but does it require the capitals?
< 1616765797 652222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Yes, sometimes. Though I think those two are maybe slightly less common (but still present) as the initial letter of a word, and of course only so many words start a sentence (or are proper names).
< 1616765809 173786 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why I gave up dvorak layout when I tried it by the way: it's based on the idea that you type vowels with your left hand and consonants with your right, but that doesn't work so well for Hungarian text that needs a lot of á and é and k and some z and y but very few h
< 1616765827 977426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking you also would sometimes need Å or å, which is a bit of a problem, because I don't think the ° is in the UK layout. But it's so rare, I haven't even learned what the compose sequence for that is.
< 1616765875 551907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's five dead-key accents in the five symbol keys between the letters and the enter key in the UK layout, but they're äãáâà, no å.
< 1616765893 440618 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't it on altgr with some number?
< 1616765936 661327 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess it's easier to just learn the unicode code point number 0xE5
< 1616765945 801482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, at least on this system. The number row with altgr produces non-dead symbols ¹²³€½¾{[]}, in order.
< 1616765959 901193 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1616765962 48159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, turns out it's just compose-o-a to get å.
< 1616765967 334973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be easy enough to remember.
< 1616766030 284865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why altgr-7..0 is {[]} when there's dedicated [] keys (with {} as their shifted variants) almost right next to them.
< 1616766092 706950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And compose-o-A gives Å. Fair enough. Next time I need to mention Åland Islands to someone, I'll use that instead of copying it from the "Swedish alphabet" wikipedia article.
< 1616766229 777157 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python -cprint('\u00C5land Islands')
< 1616766231 199226 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\u00C5land Islands
< 1616766233 787241 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1616766245 811554 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -cprint('\u00C5land Islands')
< 1616766247 245315 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Åland Islands
< 1616766248 562720 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah
< 1616766519 732311 :LKoen!~LKoen@191.254.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1616766572 779824 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you contain chemicals?
< 1616766572 932981 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: today i am in cbe only. but have to seek. hee
< 1616766583 684735 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you contain chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer?
< 1616766583 848030 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wat.? abt the imp. at one? if dun go dunno... i oso saw a top dat i like but din say. there. emulsified.
< 1616766590 70613 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ruby -v
< 1616766590 894540 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby 2.5.5p157 (2019-03-15 revision 67260) [x86_64-linux-gnu]
< 1616766632 555757 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :his response sounds like he was caught consuming chemicals
< 1616766782 659316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is known to the state of California to contain chemicals that may cause cancer.
< 1616766782 871895 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hey me just drop into a cafe to get a cd? if poss. tc *cricinfo alerts are like coming. shuhui also like to attend to. just wish to pass me... haha
< 1616766883 323704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My terminal (urxvt) has this weirdo "keycap picture insertion mode", triggered by left-control + left-shift (as a tap, with no other keys), which makes it possible to e.g. press space to get ␣ or enter to get ↵.
< 1616766923 136432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never had an actual use for that, only ever triggered it accidentally (thinking of pressing ctrl-shift-something but then decided not to).
< 1616766972 106551 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's a switch to disable it. I always do.
< 1616766989 683527 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt ++iso14755_52
< 1616767029 468887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it might be a semi-convenient way to type ←↑→↓ though. (I just use compose "->" for the horizontal arrows, but not sure how I'd type the vertical ones.)
< 1616767095 337907 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, for a more complete command line, (export LC_CTYPE=hu_HU.utf8; urxvt -ls -geometry 80x25 +sb -b 0 -bg \#000000 -fg \#c0c0c0 --colorBD \#ffffff --color0 \#000000 --color1 \#aa0000 --color2 \#00aa00 --color3 \#aa5500 --color4 \#0000ff --color5 \#aa00aa --color6 \#00aaaa --color7 \#c0c0c0 --color8 \#555555 --color9 \#ff5555 --color10 \#55ff55 --color11 \#ffff55 --color12 \#5588ff --color13 \#ff55ff 
< 1616767101 456993 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :--color14 \#55ffff --color15 \#ffffff -cr \#c0f0a0 -fn "x:-*-fecupboard-medium-r-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1,x:-*-terminus-bold-r-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1" --boldFont "" -vb -sbg --print-pipe false --pointerBlank --pointerBlankDelay 2147483647 ++iso14755_52 "%@")
< 1616767105 312247 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1616767107 879206 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$@" instead of "%@"
< 1616767129 283913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, keycap picture insert mode doesn't insert the Microsoftⓡ Windowsⓡ™ logo when used with the Windows key.
< 1616767140 33853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking it'd sneakily take a picture of your keyboard and figure out what's printed on it.
< 1616767190 379322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the more standard keys (⎋⇥⇧⎈⇭) work with it.
< 1616767192 442642 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, no copying the buffers, also you operate it directly if you boot
< 1616767783 890449 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ↑ and ↓ i have in my .XCompose: „<Multi_key> <b> <b>            : "↑"  U2191“ and „<Multi_key> <v> <v>            : "↓"  U2193“
< 1616767939 760895 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The two „b“ for pointing a_b_ove, and „v“ looks like ↓ 😉)
< 1616767956 658051 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not hjkl
< 1616767958 570923 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it _b_elow?
< 1616767981 440045 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or _b_ack as in left?
< 1616767986 340438 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but „a“ is too far away from „v“ 😉
< 1616768132 311254 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wordperfect directions esdx then
< 1616768775 221051 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :And many First-Person-Shooters wads. But for Compose we already have ← and → as <- and ->
< 1616768816 117173 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course we could use ^| and v| or something ☺
< 1616768876 657245 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, v| already makes ↓ here
< 1616768919 885152 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ^| makes ↑
< 1616768921 803707 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know ☺
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< 1616770044 253573 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have "Forget is for getting" burned in my brain. I think that's shachaf's pun? Ironically enough, I've forgotten everything else about lenses
< 1616770690 562936 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why do you consider Cruella de Vil your favorite Disney villain?
< 1616770690 710440 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: poda wat is personal btwn ur fingers just press wrong one lor i thk his students
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< 1616772085 873849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the v| ^| tip. I did half-heartedly try a few v- and ^-based ideas, but didn't think of combining them with |.
< 1616772242 228150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next mystery: => gives ⇒, but what about the other directions? <= is just ≤, and there's no key for ‖ to compose v and ^ with.
< 1616772570 714905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not good: on this system, both compose +- and compose -+ gives ±, which is a missed opportunity; one of them should give ∓ instead.
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> 1616773246 339924 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81573&oldid=81571 5* 03Strohtaler 5* (-1) 10/* Example: Fibonacci stopping after number count */
< 1616773984 144982 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, they're called "private" bits, not "personal"
< 1616773984 303371 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: she was gonna ask me to die every now and then, ithink i can ' t go... would love to get married one cannot intro
> 1616774328 93390 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81574&oldid=81005 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10Add a test
< 1616774840 259460 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Same here
> 1616777691 596017 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81575&oldid=81548 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+671) 10add (untested) Ti-Nspire Basic one
< 1616777917 649754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's what Forget is for.
> 1616778225 669052 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Functional()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81576&oldid=78488 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+824) 10Add TIO links
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> 1616779879 417359 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Functional()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81578&oldid=81576 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1710) 10Add more TIO links
< 1616779939 38970 :owocean[m]!owoceanwho@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ijvjnjxxqpqgewmz PART #esoteric :"User left"
< 1616779975 963708 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :v| and ^| don't do anything for me
< 1616780059 437161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I can do v| and |v and both result in ↓.
< 1616780200 336221 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm possibly using some GTK input method instead of the base X compose feature
< 1616780227 236921 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike previous machines where I had compose set up, this one shows the individual characters as I type them, underlined, and with a prompt before them that looks like an overlapping square and circle
< 1616780240 552797 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it all disappears and is replaced with the target character when I complete a sequence
< 1616780281 547536 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Tuesday I'm getting a new laptop! haven't decided what OS to run on it
< 1616780286 635138 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might go back to Windows + WSL
< 1616780298 733346 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some Windows-only software I'd like to run
< 1616780354 465367 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I will have 8 cores and 48 GB of RAM so running virtual machines is not a big deal
< 1616780427 737068 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which one is better to use as the base OS
< 1616780432 681358 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows might have better power management
< 1616780767 193577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm maybe getting some sort of a visual thing like that on my work laptop too.
< 1616780822 254535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a thing I kind of would like WSL to have: now that it's a real kernel (AIUI, in WSL2), they could expose those drives that Windows doesn't know what to do with as block devices to the Linux thing, so that they could be mounted in there.
< 1616780872 753440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do dual boot on this every once every few months (for games), and every time I'm over on that side, there's some file or whatever that's only accessible to the other operating system.
< 1616780922 323140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had that sort of working on a VirtualBox thing at one point, but it was still a hassle.
< 1616780962 516701 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1616780976 936336 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's possible to boot an actual hard drive partition in a VM
< 1616780985 577230 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had that working once, back when I dual-booted
< 1616781006 179151 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dual booting seems less and less appealing over time
> 1616781071 746755 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81579&oldid=81250 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+1342) 10/* Computational class */ Turing-complete!
> 1616781106 543120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81580&oldid=81559 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+2072) 10Free Hero Mesh
< 1616781182 867001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned on that thing in Steam that lets you apply Proton to any game, not only the ones they've verified, and from what I've read it works pretty well for many things. Maybe that's why I think I haven't booted the Windows installation this year yet.
< 1616781211 691349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One unappealing part of it is that when you don't use it in months, installing all the updates is kind of terrible.
< 1616781439 910924 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Proton? some WINE-like thing?
< 1616781501 831338 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1616781503 451909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it's technically a fork of Wine that Valve maintains? Something like that.
< 1616781520 211596 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1616781522 360945 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth looking into
< 1616781566 712953 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play games very much
< 1616781593 684084 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I might want Windows for 3D CAD software or weirdo ham radio software
< 1616781731 771743 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric
< 1616781990 607674 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually, if the software is Windows, I just use different software instead. DOSBOX can run 16-bit Windows programs (if you have Windows 3.1), although it is slow. I cannot install Wine on my computer due to conflicts in the package manager.
< 1616782176 866761 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many programs are already available for many operating systems, anyways (or there is another program which does mainly the same thing, for another operating system, e.g. a NES/Famicom emulator).
< 1616782311 57845 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :david madore's interview on esoteric.codes https://esoteric.codes/blog/david-madore , didn't realise it's so easy to have a machine that beats oracle_n TMs for all n
< 1616783732 185388 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i meant the hyperarithmetical machine)
< 1616784900 715 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1616785657 244075 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many people they will write new free software to do the same things as some other software
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< 1616787422 748911 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! I installed the new speakers for my home computer. it's the third try, the first two (cheaper) speakers that I bought weren't suitable.
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> 1616790279 497381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07106614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81581&oldid=78471 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-39) 10/* Commands */ grm
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> 1616793037 566605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81582&oldid=81158 5* 03Kefalonia 5* (+0) 10*p
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> 1616793290 941696 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SBN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81583&oldid=81160 5* 03Kefalonia 5* (+45) 10explain
> 1616793300 546560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fargo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81584&oldid=79648 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+760) 10I/O; Truth-machine
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< 1616794121 637527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rotterdam has an area that's literally called "Cool District"? That's a little presumptuous, isn't it. (Okay, okay, it's not the same "Cool".)
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> 1616795374 501491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Clsource 5*  10New user account
> 1616795491 427334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81586&oldid=81518 5* 03Clsource 5* (+63) 10/* Introductions */
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< 1616796853 571907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1230
< 1616796854 801888 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1230.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
> 1616796918 287432 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ogu14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81587 5* 03Clsource 5* (+809) 10Added Og Language
> 1616797165 670682 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81588&oldid=81505 5* 03Clsource 5* (+10) 10Added Ogu
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> 1616800998 270361 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Uyjhmn n14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81590&oldid=74574 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+29) 10this *is* turing complete, right?
> 1616801042 417504 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Uyjhmn n14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81591&oldid=81590 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+0) 10uncapitalize the letter c in turing complete. oops.
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> 1616808158 200210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81593&oldid=81592 5* 03Citrons 5* (+76) 10Undo revision 81592 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) do not
> 1616808547 176770 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81594&oldid=81593 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+47) 10add snide remark
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> 1616811110 185373 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81596&oldid=81595 5* 03Nailuj29 5* (-76) 10Undo revision 81593 by [[Special:Contributions/Citrons|Citrons]] ([[User talk:Citrons|talk]])
< 1616811286 933151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's refreshing (?) to see that "IRC drama" apparently thrives just as well in other mediums. (That probably just means it was never "IRC drama" in the first place, but just part of the human condition.)
< 1616811575 801170 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd imagine that there'd be discord on Discord
< 1616813438 863898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe Microsoft will put a stop to that. (AIUI they're in talks to buy it for $10B?)
< 1616813511 153207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that might be still a bit speculative.)
< 1616813687 760075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to make the jump to Mixer but doesn't quite manage it
< 1616813749 937559 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(beyond "MS acquires some social media platform")
< 1616813819 250819 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mixer's intellectual property and staff will be transferred to the Microsoft Teams division, and incorporated into the product." -- well I guess that's a path Discord could go down as well.
> 1616814981 998159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Emerald47089 5*  10New user account
< 1616815087 541683 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ouch, I just reread that quote. "Mixer's [...] staff will be [...] incorporated into the product."
< 1616815110 236549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fate worse than death.
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> 1616816694 903969 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Grom 5*  10New user account
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< 1616817063 471515 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In his belly, you will find a new definition of pain and suffering, as you are slowly digested over a thousand years."
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< 1616820191 232971 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:48:42 <fizzie> I had that sort of working on a VirtualBox thing at one point, but it was still a hassle.
< 1616820269 116086 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently I needed to run some specific computer game related software and since I didn't have VirtualBox installed I tried qemu to try it out
< 1616820304 642560 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it appeared by magniture worse than I could even imagine
< 1616820348 762273 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect more usability from even 1 week old software
< 1616820363 966910 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does not seem like it would be any close to VirtualBox in near 20 years
< 1616820377 341005 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :things didn't just "work bad", they just didn't work at all
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< 1616827840 680635 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any programming language have a block that the beginning of the block produces the address of the end of the block as a value?
< 1616827866 508761 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than assembly language)
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> 1616845593 875327 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Macron14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81601&oldid=81193 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+935) 10
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< 1616846100 38726 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well... in perl you can put a label in front of the opening brace of a block, even a bare block, and then jump to before or after the end of the block with the next and last keyword resp followed by the block name, so that's sort of like that, except it's not a value you can store, and is scoped dynamically, so you can't pass the address into a recursion and jump out through other instances of 
< 1616846106 53535 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same block or blocks named the same;
< 1616846115 47624 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't know if you count that
> 1616846246 870353 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Macron14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81604&oldid=81307 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+216) 10
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> 1616847679 992020 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Yo!nk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81607&oldid=81600 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Syntax */ Reword
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< 1616850668 929311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'd like to donate a quine to your short-Perl-quine collection: $_=q(print"\$_=q($_);eval");eval
< 1616850729 696812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I can get that a little shorter
< 1616850750 495171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, don't thInk I can
< 1616850764 626488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you assume -M5.010 like you do on CGCC, when you can use 'say' and a newline)
< 1616851115 368337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's a gcc extension that lets you take the address of a label
< 1616851126 733940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they added a prefix && operator for the purpose
< 1616851151 963975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not really the same as what you were asking for
< 1616851170 210355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be usable for the same purpose though
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< 1616852898 717528 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, that does seem new... let me search a bit more
< 1616852928 713521 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen quines using eval, but not this short one
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< 1616853000 139218 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=62536 has a slightly longer version
< 1616853038 439198 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a different quoting style, plus includes a newline
< 1616853043 889378 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's very close
< 1616853044 779364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I wouldn't be surprised if it had been seen before
< 1616853052 7496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I wonder why they didn't use "" rather than qq()?
< 1616853078 308250 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1616853109 558221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more quine-y if it's got more 'q's in it? 
< 1616853137 334148 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have a lua quine that uses eval though
< 1616853165 781110 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's not a quine
< 1616853184 183280 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a program that both evals and otherwise uses a string
< 1616853253 458322 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lua -ea="for b=2,26 do c=0;for d,e in ipairs({a:byte(1,-1)})do c=(b*c+e)%127\nend;io.write(string.char(c))end--$S`U$-}OPX41,@aYH\3\26Q2\23*|>";loadstring(a)()
< 1616853254 499577 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another Lua hacker,
< 1616853275 564656 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one: it's a self-checking program, if you try to modify anything in the string, it will break, unless you understand how it's constructed and how to fix it
< 1616853279 205196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"loadstring" is so much uglier than "eval"
< 1616853314 375111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I was surprised that that worked (for shell-quoting reasons) until I realised that there was only one `
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< 1616853327 351276 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no shell
< 1616853329 332113 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1616853415 490388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have used a very similar trick for things like my radiation-hardened quine in Perl that can survive the deletion of any three characters (and print the original program)
< 1616853463 477533 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also a quine with a part encrypted with strong cryptography I think
< 1616853475 566679 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some point to that but I don't recall what
< 1616853562 577730 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I wonder if it would make sense to make some sort of secret-sharing collection of quines
< 1616853574 722259 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you need any two of three programs to print something
< 1616854045 222479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two programs where, if you give any one of them the source code to a second, they print the third?
< 1616854061 467571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, three, not two
< 1616854150 727343 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure 
< 1616854159 465093 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the intended behavior should be
< 1616854189 565189 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be more of an error-correcting thing than a secret sharing thing, but I'm not sure a secret-sharing thing even makes sense
< 1616854282 963380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :secret-sharing on its own makes sense but i'm not sure how you combine it with a quine
< 1616854292 133563 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1616854318 279119 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe two compiled programs from which you can get the source code of both but only if you have both programs
< 1616854331 619144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you give one the executable of the other?
< 1616854342 381386 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1616854708 192020 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that wouldn't effectively differ from the quine that asks for a passphrase to decrypt its own source code that is embedded in the executable encrypted
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< 1616856691 857694 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, i just make the password the entire program
< 1616856725 963593 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print(input("dear user, please insert the source to make this a quine"))
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> 1616859480 562329 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Grom14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81610 5* 03Grom 5* (+79) 10Created page with "I'm currently working on an OISC concept which I will post about in the future."
< 1616860070 996588 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:54:35 <b_jonas> this one: it's a self-checking program, if you try to modify anything in the string, it will break, unless you understand how it's constructed and how to fix it
< 1616860078 110200 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a bomb
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< 1616867788 387337 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of that gcc extension; maybe by the use of a macro it might be possible to make something like what I suggested (by combining with other GNU extensions).
< 1616867817 166863 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably also what I suggested is possible to make in Forth, too.
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< 1616867944 801801 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some implementations of Forth, THEN is defined like:  : THEN` HERE SWAP ! ;  by adding a suitable definition for a command at the beginning of the block, that could be used, then.
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< 1616870347 329619 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: it doesn't really blow up, it just prints the wrong thing
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< 1616872758 587646 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I looked, and Gforth seems to do something similar but is more complicated.)
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> 1616876828 768993 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Trance14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81613&oldid=65507 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+44) 10Cat/stub
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> 1616890499 257739 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:202614]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81616 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+77) 10Created page with "This category consists of esolangs made in the year 2026.  [[Category:Years]]"
< 1616892872 584183 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 1000
< 1616892874 83938 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000.00°F = 537.78°C
< 1616892897 864209 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dst
< 1616892899 349366 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :dst? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1616892929 695634 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is heavpoot up to now
< 1616893200 868451 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mourns the loss of a full hour. We miss you, 2020-03-28, 2am to 3am CET. Life will never be the same without you.
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< 1616893333 87215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... I mixed up 2020 and 2021
< 1616893484 232593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, that's why it's that late already.
< 1616893503 574956 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :F
< 1616893516 519459 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did that a few weeks ago
< 1616893528 903203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at backscroll of another channel after being away a bit, and wondering how could it possibly have been over an hour ago.
< 1616893568 288010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the two weeks between the US and EU DST switches, some of my meetings are earlier than usual.
< 1616893594 82926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when meeting rooms were still a consideration, all of the bookings got messed up for those two weeks.
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< 1616893619 721431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's 3 weeks... not this year
< 1616893642 379946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had someone join a meeting from a proper meeting room (in Zürich) last week, it was pretty weird.
< 1616893676 310251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And someone else had one of the London office (still fully closed) rooms dial into their meeting automatically, but there was nobody there, which I think would've been not just weird but creepy.
< 1616893839 50390 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1616893866 942547 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :after SARS 3: TurboSARS wipes out all of humanity your conference rooms will still be automatically calling each other
< 1616893886 974043 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :SARS 3.11 for Workgroups
< 1616893913 944417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so you think so? I imagine electricity will fail rather quickly if people are truly wiped out
< 1616894203 299203 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i don't know
< 1616894211 263051 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more of a joke than a serious prediction
< 1616894258 483274 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. it's just that this is a question I've actually pondered... with no idea how to estimate this properly
< 1616894452 221436 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I have no real clue how much day to day maintenance people put into maintaining the underlying infrastructure. in this case, electricity and networks.
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< 1616898044 45578 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm amused by the fact that, like many programming languages, OpenSCAD has a lot of libraries pertaining to threads, but "threads" means something completely different
< 1616899450 991407 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "threads" mean in OpenSCAD?
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< 1616900729 345460 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: like the threads of a screw
< 1616900741 993389 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 3D CAD language, so there are libraries to generate threads
< 1616900810 889511 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have threads in the other sense, although it is a purely declarative language, so I suppose the implementation is free to evaluate stuff in parallel if it wants to
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> 1616911050 342559 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81618&oldid=81598 5* 03Citrons 5* (-177) 10add description that we voted on
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> 1616928789 304160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Macron14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81621&oldid=81609 5* 03Ais523 5* (-17) 10obviously 2026 is not an accurate creation year for this esolang
> 1616928821 498407 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:202610]]": not useful to have year categories for future years (even if you think an esolang will be created in a given year, you can't be sure)
> 1616928927 842281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81622&oldid=81551 5* 03Ais523 5* (-17) 10I think the consensus is to have some warning mark on links that aren't internal to mainspace that they go someplace else (e.g. userspace or Wikipedia), so making the "wikipedia:" prefix visible
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< 1616931232 842392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering whether zipquines are Turing-complete, Underload/Muriel-style
< 1616931262 793771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the zip file expands to a directory containing another zip file, which expands to a directory containing another zip file, etc., and if you keep expanding forever, either you reach an empty directory (halting) or you don't
< 1616931290 106996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also take input by expanding to a directory with multiple files (choose which to open), or produce output by putting a .txt file with the output in the expanded directory
< 1616931320 779694 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in rar, it should be easily doable
< 1616931326 240271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic problem is as to whether the compression algorithm that .zip uses is capable of implementing a TC language when interpreted that way
< 1616931350 448531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about how rar works internally
< 1616931373 807792 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/taviso/rarvmtools
< 1616931395 238316 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr there is an assembly to rar compiler
< 1616931399 997139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, deprecated :-(
< 1616931410 324788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably for the best?
< 1616931430 191313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A RarVM program may execute for at most 250,000,000 instructions, at which point it will be terminated abnormally."
< 1616931434 140729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a limit on TCness
< 1616931444 892823 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1616931461 53713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe not, it could be possible to use multiple programs for the actual logic and store data in large segments that just get copied literally
< 1616931509 944347 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember having a tiny rar file with a valid jpg of like 1 gb or something that you could use to get more storage in dropbox
< 1616931619 667376 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: how did it work?
< 1616931636 299403 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw hi #esoteric
< 1616931687 152446 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just have a rarvm program printing the jpg header and drop a bunch of zeros in a loop
< 1616932845 471565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> I like the two weeks between the US and EU DST switches, some of my meetings are earlier than usual. ← has the EU postponed its decision to stop using daylight saving time?
< 1616932867 26347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the UK is keeping it for the time being, but they weren't included in the decision because of Brexit)
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< 1616932959 122389 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik it's not postponed, it's not entirely clear whether to stay in normal or summer time
< 1616932976 331014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it was postponed to October 2021, but then there was a row related to Ireland
< 1616932984 18769 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1616932995 342262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Northern Ireland is currently planning to keep daylight saving time but the Republic of Ireland doesn't want to be in a different timezone from it
< 1616933009 448385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the next steps are somewhat unclear
< 1616933010 675877 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1616933065 147946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly it was IANA who caused the initial postponement, they said they couldn't get the world's timezone infrastructure updated by the deadline unless they had more notice
< 1616933101 20524 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many programs are going to be wrong
< 1616933156 153244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :timezone updates happen all the time
< 1616933167 617872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not very often for any individual country
< 1616933192 737928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on my Ubuntu system, when a country changes its timezone rules, there's a security update to patch the timezone database with the new information
< 1616933202 770363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably because having the wrong idea of what time it is can be a security problem sometimes)
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< 1616936505 310691 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any coders here?
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< 1616936685 150306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ontoquina: I think most of the channel is made up of programmers
< 1616936693 506200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they aren't necessarily online at any given time
< 1616936711 392771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of the Americans will still be asleep
< 1616936753 865389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the bots
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< 1616936981 76280 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a c programmer?
< 1616937036 724147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's narrowing it down, but still likely true for many.
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< 1616937068 453488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you a Befunge programmer, or a Befunge program? </deep>
< 1616937068 824625 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: let's ' ang ' er. i think ( relatively, at least in brown university, where we've stolen the material from, they have notion of classes methods, etc.
< 1616937158 173142 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( does reading K&R make you a C programmer )
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< 1616937982 372885 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.udoo.org/udoo-quad-dual/
< 1616938021 766414 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for some information which will help me to write a piece of code that will display the output voltage state of the GPIO pin
< 1616938059 488842 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also loop over and over again
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< 1616938185 850404 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also we miss you, 2021-03-26 02:00 to 03:00 Jerusalem time.
< 1616938206 561900 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :friday?
< 1616939125 922554 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re zip quines, I expect it might be Turing complete, because zip can probably implement some kind of tag system, encoding state in the current Huffman table which it resets more often than a typical zip file, and then you apply that repeatedly with the zip quine method
< 1616939162 947585 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you'd probably have to waste a lot of space to make the Adler checksum match
< 1616939195 162773 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> because Northern Ireland is currently planning to keep daylight saving time but the Republic of Ireland doesn't want to be in a different timezone from it / so the next steps are somewhat unclear
< 1616939274 101122 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" => how's it unclear? it's been clear as a day for years that the only way the UK can keep its three contradictory promises (no border between Ireland and Northern Ireland; border between the UK and EU; no independent Northern Ireland) is to convince Ireland to leave the EU. what you say about the timezone just confirms that.
< 1616939503 691190 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> (presumably because having the wrong idea of what time it is can be a security problem sometimes)" => yep, the specific example I always imagine is when there's a peace conference about some nation that wants to be an independent country specified in local time, the leader of that region has announced three weeks ago on local television that they will use a different timezone, the 
< 1616939509 809851 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :representative of the mediator country checks four sources on the web for what timezone that region uses to make sure he arrives at the right time, but nobody who understands the local language and watches that dictator on TV bothered to write to the timezone mailing list, so the mediator arrives an hour late and a war is started
< 1616939511 53596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ontoquina: I don't think there are many experts on GPIO configuration for specific devices here
< 1616939518 349158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a programming question, more of a finding-documentation question
< 1616939536 827447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because you're trying to hook your own outputs, not take input or produce outputs
< 1616939562 21561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I thought security updates were about computer security, not national security
< 1616939630 322792 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, but your definition of security wouldn't have helped me when there's a fucking war 200 kilometers from the south of here
< 1616939645 820184 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/from/to/
< 1616939719 731272 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only saving grace is that the dictator who is the most likely to do this is leading Kazakhstan, which is clearly an independent country, not a region that newly wants to be an independent country. 
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< 1616939823 105068 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not trying to do any of that
< 1616939866 775311 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i want is to make cat value repeat in a terminal for a number of times rather than just type it in
< 1616939879 32207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ontoquina: you might be better off finding some sort of beginning-programming channel, I think; one of the important steps in programming is being able to clearly communicate what you're trying to do
< 1616939891 558196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's that step you're having trouble with, talking to experienced programmers won't normally help much
< 1616940092 881164 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, about that definition, I think at one point debian had separate categories for "security updates" and "volatile"
< 1616940113 836868 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think timezones were in the volatile category, but I'm not sure
< 1616940117 995753 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i found the answer already and yes it was a simple terminal entry
< 1616940269 528660 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question was quite simple,.. how do i loop the command cat value in a linux terminal?
< 1616940398 702748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough, but that had nothing to do with C programming.
< 1616940417 593021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ontoquina: that isn't a simple question, because it doesn't clearly define what you're trying to do or what the problem is
< 1616940436 213738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't possible to interpret what you mean without more information
< 1616940445 746401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still don't have much of an idea of what you were trying to do or what you did to change it
> 1616940466 458961 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BitBounce14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81623&oldid=65732 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2122) 10Add TIO links
< 1616940485 489112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that topic, though, I never remember to use watch(1) for anything, even though it's kind of a neat tool.
< 1616940498 419251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although one possible interpretation would have lead to an amusing answer: "what's the shell command to produce the same output over and over again in a loop?" "yes")
< 1616940508 912955 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.howtoforge.com/linux-watch-command/
< 1616940526 348790 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are welcome
< 1616940536 295954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't know of it
< 1616940541 963718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess top is just a fancier version of watch ps
< 1616940585 557264 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have actually used something like watch 'some other command; top b'
< 1616940597 515490 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch -n 0.1 date #command line "real time" clock
< 1616940617 461917 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly watch 'df $dest; top b' where $dest is where I'm writing the compressed backup
< 1616940631 696858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I keep doing `while true; date; sleep 0.3; done`
< 1616940642 358053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although for a one-line command I kind of like seeing the history.
< 1616940646 355540 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually that's redundant because `watch` also displays the date)
< 1616940651 227103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: -n 1 -p would be enough, if you ran it just marginally after the start of a second
< 1616940658 121590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use only 1/10 of the CPU time
< 1616940672 659754 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't trust myself to do that.
< 1616940675 380843 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right sure i understand what you are saying
< 1616940692 585378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "marginally after the start of a second part, that is)
< 1616940824 225822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I did that this morning around 2am :) (And I only used it for a few seconds anyway)
< 1616940841 693889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've watched the daylight saving time in ages
< 1616940845 444823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was asleep when it happened today
< 1616940926 241684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sane
< 1616941071 370993 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I think I've been using (watch ls $dest) or similar to watch the list of compressed backup files grow
< 1616941128 372521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my usual technique for that (not that I use it very often) is just to run ls manually every now and then
< 1616941132 3603 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one screen window; the other window shows the output from my compressed backup tool (which is a perl script that is one of the longest lived utility that I wrote, and might soon beat cbstream in that ranking) and from the 7z compressor that it invokes
< 1616941159 825701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally do my backups with rsync
< 1616941177 592468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried a variety of tools over the years, but rsync has the benefit of being incredibly simple
< 1616941202 130006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and producing backups that can be restored without it)
< 1616941220 168318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compressing backups is of course possible, but I'm not completely sure it's worth it, especially as fast compressors tend not to get good ratios
< 1616941244 824385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've settled on bip and some homegrown infrastructure around it.
< 1616941258 681691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, bup, not bip.
< 1616941273 489529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is that IRC proxy, which I've also settled on, but isn't related to backups.
< 1616941294 228853 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: compression helps for full backups, where the file system contains a lot of files that compress well even with fast compressors, but admittedly this was more important back when I wrote backups to CDs or DVDs
< 1616941335 670875 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't help for backing up all my JPEG photos obviously
< 1616941344 933701 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or films
< 1616941353 751393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the paradox of compressed backups is that the files that compress well are generally the small ones that don't need compressing
< 1616941362 970569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the big ones are probably stored in a compressed format already
< 1616941423 35880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optical disc images are one category of files that can be reasonably big yet sometimes still compressible.
< 1616941445 891264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because of whoever made the disc wanted the program using it to be able to read data without worrying about compression.)
< 1616941448 314875 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (1) small files don't matter, for a backup I use solid compression because I don't need to be able to random access individual files from the backup quickly; (2) I have a build directory with lots of third party software source code that is uncompressed at any moment, and I don't bother excluding the uncompressed versions from the backup
< 1616941530 557662 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you'd think that, but have you checked how large the live system image is on a debian hybrid installer and live image DVD? it seems impossible to fit both the live image and package repository in that space even with compression
< 1616941625 240462 :ontoquina!~ontoquina@dynamic-077-004-013-228.77.4.pool.telefonica.de PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1616941636 575028 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old DOS boot floppy uncompresses every program to a ramdisk, so most of the contents is a zip.zip compressed archive, with only IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, COMMAND.COM, HIMEM.SYS, RAMDRIVE.SYS and four smaller files outside of it
< 1616941682 442146 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly those five big files still take a lot of space on a floppy
< 1616941685 695238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird thinking about memory being larger than disk space
< 1616941696 17526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was indeed the case back before hard drives were common
< 1616941697 392436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, maybe not?
< 1616941710 832357 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't
< 1616941711 318260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5" floppy disk is 1.44MiB
< 1616941727 453099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conventional memory was 640KiB, but systems normally also had some amount of unconventional memory
< 1616941731 445191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would have been pretty close
< 1616941746 237101 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people didn't have 640 KiB when they had 1.44MiB floppies
< 1616941755 214672 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it ever common to have 360kb floppy, 640k RAM?
< 1616941774 580467 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't the 360k floppy called "double density"? or is that the 720K?
< 1616941792 242180 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people usually had two disk drives if they didn't have a hard drive, and they did usually have a  hard drive, even if a small one
< 1616941793 554040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think high density was 1.44 and double was 720, but I may be completely wrong on that
< 1616941798 79711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to remember after this long
< 1616941808 819709 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :180k per side = single density?
< 1616941827 169387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that on one computer I used, the floppy drive access light went orange for one density of floppy disk and green for the other commonly used density
< 1616941828 60346 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some trick with "double sided", but maybe that's only for 5 inch (CD-sized) floppies
< 1616941837 948408 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's complicated because those two dimensions developed independently (two-sided floppies and higher density)
< 1616941850 47224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used 5¼ inch floppy disks before, but not on a PC
< 1616941881 308345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're much simpler than the 3½ disks, which have some sort of automatically sliding cover to cover the disk itself
< 1616941905 497744 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the smallest PC I've actually worked on was a laptop with 1M of RAM and 20M of hard disk
< 1616941909 62361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 5¼, there wasn't a cover on the disk itself, and the disk came with a little paper jacket that you used to protect it from dust when it wasn't inserted into a drive
< 1616941960 92113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently 8-inch floppy disks also existed but I've never used one
< 1616941969 956011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the main improvement came from the little metal disk in the center, allowing for grabbing the disk with higher precision
< 1616941982 828741 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I never used one, but I saw a disk drive exhibited (no longer used) somewhere
< 1616942030 675366 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... overall, floppy disk reliability was awful for both 5 1/4" and 3 1/2", at least in my experiencxe
< 1616942044 930844 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think the write protect tabs work backwards on a 5 inch floppy versus a 3.5 inch floppy:
< 1616942104 999717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1616942105 220664 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3.5 inch one has a sliding tab and a hole means ... read-only I think, whereas a 5 inch floppy can have a hole punched through its plastic cover in a corner with possibly a plastic sticker to cover it later, and the hole means writable. or backwards. I don't remember.
< 1616942109 882002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had more physical failures of the disks (important connections getting jammed, etc.) than I did data loss
< 1616942120 997952 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think the 3.5 inch floppy has a possible hole on its other corner to indicate format
< 1616942126 551112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have a collection of floppy disks from when I was younger, but all the data has long since been copied into my home directory
< 1616942132 584752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't consult the disks themselves any more
< 1616942139 451388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a USB floppy drive but have only used it once, I think
< 1616942149 325392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe twice
< 1616942158 932977 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no longer have physical floppy disks or drives. I got rid of all of them, including the physical version of that boot floppy.
< 1616942178 31698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: IIRC solid is writeable, and the hole means read-only, but I might also have that backwards
< 1616942216 499465 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's probably the saner system because then factory-made installer disks just have the sliding tab missing entirely so you can't easily overwrite them
< 1616942221 382266 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by accident that is
< 1616942255 733660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well you could just as easily have an entirely solid disk in that location, no tab or anything, if the opposite convention were being used
< 1616942266 731643 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1616942293 698545 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :punching a hole on a thick 3.5 inch floppy might be harder than covering the hole with one of those stickers for 5 inch floppies
< 1616942322 311014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_protection ... so 8" has the backward convention from 5 1/4"?
< 1616942335 553911 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must have caused quite a few accidents.
< 1616942340 253000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was more thinking about console game disc images, I think they're somewhat compressible sometimes.
< 1616942346 992989 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the save icon on windows is still a floppy disk, which is becoming one of those metaphors increasingly disassociated from its origins
< 1616942381 304659 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, SD cards have a physical write protect switch too, but microSD cards don't
< 1616942396 891465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a 8" floppy disk throwing competition at the university once.
< 1616942400 50498 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically all my recent SD cards are just microSD cards with adapters, because it's slightly cheaper to buy them that way
< 1616942425 776937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I actually had a vague memory that the convention reversed at one point
< 1616942431 555338 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds like a good way to get some use of obsolete stuff that will get discarded anyway
< 1616942444 850968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your article says that it's 5¼ and 3½ that have opposite conventions, though
< 1616942505 864523 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, audio casettes had a write protect tab to. I remember that. I no longer have audio casettes or audio casette players either. 
< 1616942547 473622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so they switched twice
< 1616942547 473680 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it says both: 5 inch has hole for writable; 8 inch and 3.5 inch has hole for read-only
< 1616942576 908973 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and audio casettes have hole for read-only too
< 1616942642 443620 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk#%E2%80%8B3_1%E2%81%842-inch_disk confirms that the 3.5 inch floppies have a potential hole in the other corner indicating (some) of their format
< 1616942723 360643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew audio cassettes had a hole for read-only, they used to come with tabs covering the hole that you could break off after recording if you wanted to
< 1616942754 979435 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also IIRC the 5 inch floppies use different formats for PC, Commodore VIC-20/64, and Amiga, on the same physical disks
< 1616942783 233947 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and you can insert cubes cut from rubber eraser to fill the hole 
< 1616942820 264589 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also audio casettes also have like four physical formats, of which I've seen at least two, allowing for different quality, similar to 3.5 inch disks
< 1616942859 964496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, a floppy disk is basically just a magnetic surface, and formatting it magnetises it in a particular way to define areas to store data
< 1616942883 862476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could change the geometry of the disk "in software" by changing things like the spacing of the tracks, locations of the sectors, etc.
< 1616942902 483254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the disks typically became unreliable if you tried to format them too densely)
< 1616942929 447074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard drives apparently only work with one specific formatting, though, they need synchronization patterns for the drive to work
< 1616942946 295233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "formatting" a hard drive is actually just the creation of a filesystem, rather than the creation of the physical tracks and sectors
< 1616942964 172888 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an 5 inch floppy, magnetic surface plus a physical hole that the drive can sense to find a fixed rotation angle so it can synchronize sectors to that
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< 1616943006 634272 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's for newer hard drives; older ones you could also physically format, they worked rather similar to floppies with very little electronics hardware
< 1616943055 46911 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with most of the electronics in the hard drive controller, and most of the logic in software, specifically a ROM
< 1616943073 197569 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was before my time
< 1616943088 100287 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard disks that I used already had complicated printed circuit boards on them
< 1616943162 898169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some people figured out a way to reprogram hard drive controllers to run arbitrary code
< 1616943177 699262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they have a "real" processor in them, the hard part is just getting the code onto it)
< 1616943197 118138 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that used to be a feature in the floppy disk drives for the Commodore VIC-20/64,
< 1616943215 675634 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a 6502 CPU in them just as powerful as in the computer, only with rather small RAM
< 1616943351 272434 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I was amazed when we first got a laser printer at home, a HP one, and it had a lot of megabytes of RAM built into it, perhaps 64 megabytes or something, so much that it seemed enough for a smaller PC
< 1616943480 3326 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know why it had that much, because it had resolution of 300 dpi, which means it can store the bitmap for a full page in one megabyte
< 1616943594 5892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there was a full PostScript interpreter on there?
< 1616943607 173323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't run arbitrary code on their printers as often as they should, IMO :-P
< 1616943813 33310 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there was a PostScript interpreter in particular, but it did have something to allow sending graphical data well-compressed 
< 1616943826 551549 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reference, the model is HP LaserJet IIP
< 1616943832 60643 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where II is a roman numeral
< 1616943873 47905 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the era of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_LOAD_LETTER , before printers got a full dot matrix display large enough to port Doom to
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< 1616945532 124203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the days of word processors getting confused about the Letter vs. A4 difference are gone now, or if they're still there and it's just that I basically never use word processors nowadays
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< 1616949144 607386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a floppy drive controller (or several) for the PC that made it possible to use regular PC floppy drives to access a wider variety of floppy disk formats that you can using the normal interface.
< 1616949160 488860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Computers_Catweasel
< 1616949165 451721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friend of mine had one of those.
< 1616949189 695816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mk3 PCI card version, I think.
< 1616949253 55158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From a brief web search, looks like the modern equivalent is the KryoFlux USB device.)
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< 1616954497 452377 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'll have to ask americans. I think A4 won out so you usually get it as the default setting, so it's now people who actually have letter paper who'll get the problem, rather than us
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< 1616956169 15869 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still find stuff set to A4 by default
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< 1616956448 131435 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did any software require a printer in order that it can make a calculation by PostScript codes while the computer is doing something else, in order to make two calculations at once?
< 1616956511 152445 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course it is only possible if it has the ability to do two way communication; some don't, but some do)
> 1616956568 748331 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81624&oldid=81622 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+29) 10How about this?
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< 1616956679 980077 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had idea about programmable compression format. The file would consists of a series of sections, each with a header indicating the size and flags and kind, which can be a block to load into RAM (which can also contain executable VM code) or a stream (which contains data which can be used as input to the VM code).
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< 1616958805 309123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck But With Butter.
< 1616958874 25041 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's better with butter
< 1616959007 72639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had I can't believe it's not butter.
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< 1616959516 950661 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :butter tastes good, that’s why I try to evade it as it’s also so full of fats
< 1616959553 603628 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with fats, in moderation
< 1616959558 317181 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1616959664 150884 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that’s why I still eat it, and some oils, and unfortunately high-cocoa chocolate :D
< 1616959711 301387 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you use butter, you want to add another bit and yet another
< 1616959737 363096 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the amount specified in the recipe, I think
< 1616959741 612160 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if the food is like a sponge and takes melted butter in
< 1616959926 309969 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some C compilers will optimize better with *(x+y-z) than x[y-z] in some cases, and they changed that in SQLite, but then hey changed it back due to some complaint
< 1616959993 652412 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what type are y and z? are they 32-bit?
< 1616960037 29587 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are they signed?
< 1616960063 483158 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would *(x+(y-z)) work?
< 1616960107 176024 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me to check.
< 1616960240 83925 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like in this case, z is a constant. I don't know what type y is, but it may be less than 32-bits
< 1616960308 152403 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is 8-bits, it looks like
< 1616960474 940647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would promote to `int` for the purposes of `y-z`. I guess not in `*(x+y-z)`, where it would just be an adjustment to the pointer.
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< 1616960797 132313 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although still that seems like it should be optimized
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> 1616961030 247102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81630&oldid=81588 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10/* B */ [[Brainfuck But With Buffer]]
> 1616961186 998129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Analytical Engine Programming Cards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81631&oldid=81504 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+339) 10/* Babbage's design */
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< 1616961682 735522 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it does that only on 64-bit computers or if it does that on 32-bit also.
< 1616961711 563515 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, I don't even know if it does that on 64-bit. I have not tested it. But, maybe it does have to do with having a pointer size bigger than int size.)
> 1616961723 659190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Analytical Engine Programming Cards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81633&oldid=81632 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+81) 10/* Babbage's design */
< 1616961944 642812 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if that is the case, it shouldn't matter, since the result won't differ in this case with the type promotion
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> 1616966776 45769 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Macron14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81639&oldid=81621 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+17) 10Undo revision 81621 by [[Special:Contributions/Ais523|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523|talk]]) - undo obvious vandalism
> 1616967312 242441 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Macron14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81640&oldid=81639 5* 03Not applicable 5* (-17) 10Undo revision 81639 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) [[User:Ais523]] is an admin of esolangs.org. He/she knows what they are doing.
> 1616967574 981108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blindfolded Arithmetic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81641&oldid=79064 5* 03B jonas 5* (+58) 10/* See also */
> 1616967602 534495 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Analytical Engine Programming Cards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81642&oldid=81638 5* 03B jonas 5* (+71) 10
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< 1616972278 714835 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp c double g = 2.22507e-308L, h = strtod("2.22507e-308", NULL); fprintf(stderr, "%g %g", g, h); perror(" ");
< 1616972280 392727 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.22507e-308 2.22507e-308 : Numerical result out of range
< 1616972366 447195 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that check seems a bit too tight. (Yes, DBL_MIN is a *tad* larger than 2.22507e-308)
< 1616973377 626844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, there is a real loss of precision here, if the intent is to reproduce DBL_MIN.
< 1616973382 832479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably valid, though. C11 7.22.1.3p10: "If the result underflows (7.12.1), the [strtod] function returns a value whose magnitude is no greater than the smallest *normalized* positive number in the return type; whether `errno` acquires the value `ERANGE` is implementation-defined."
< 1616973496 467936 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the fact that denormalized numbers exist makes this deceptive
< 1616973649 589126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the 7.12.1 definition of underflow is: "The result underflows if the magnitude of the mathematical result is so small that the mathematical result cannot be represented, without extraordinary roundoff error, in an object of the specified type. Footnote 232) The term underflow here is intended to encompass both 'gradual underflow' as in IEC 60559 --"
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> 1616982102 182235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Macron14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81645&oldid=81640 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+17) 10Undo revision 81640 by [[Special:Contributions/Not applicable|Not applicable]] ([[User talk:Not applicable|talk]]) undo further vandalism. the date there is obviously for the creation date of the esolang, not when it's put on the wiki. also, did you just use "he/she" followed by si
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> 1616986758 962544 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Macron14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81647&oldid=81645 5* 03Not applicable 5* (-17) 10Undo revision 81645 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) yeah, right, "vandalism." By an admin. For a completely valid reason.
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> 1617003081 767510 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:6-514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81650&oldid=75925 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+286) 10It's time I went back to this wiki.
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> 1617005755 350802 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth Machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81653 5* 03DoggianoMaster 5* (+277) 10Created page with "A Truth Machine is a program that takes a binary digit as input (1 or 0) and if input is 0, prints 0 and halts if input is 1, goes in an infinite loop of printing 1  == Exampl..."
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< 1617029537 233167 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, please use "overindulge" in a sentence
< 1617029537 525985 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i guess so, but the great point is, compare the explicitness of ( ( 2 x ( ( 3 o 4) has the records
< 1617029712 494157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That didn't actually have the word "overindulge" in it.
< 1617029712 677692 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's a very common operation. i don't
< 1617029724 214333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Stop being so difficult.
< 1617029724 378024 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: while current subtract current 1
< 1617029749 850787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, it always does that "beep boop I'm a machine" thing when it wants to stop having a serious conversation.
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> 1617050446 206068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable/Sandbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81664 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+6948) 10finally, my own sandbox yay
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> 1617051050 940314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81665&oldid=81536 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+1081) 10add sandbox link
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> 1617052005 373903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81666&oldid=81665 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+614) 10add IRC
< 1617052026 797847 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:dcc5:2aa1:d531:a5d9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that's me lol
> 1617052603 789332 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hyperdawg14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81667 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+108) 10Created page with "Yo, I'm Hyperdawg. I should appear as _hyperdawg, tho. I like making deadfish spin-offs like * [[Fishheads]]"
> 1617052725 108947 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fishheads14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81668 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+85) 10Created page with "Fishheads is an esoteric programming language based on [[Deadfish]] and [[Deadfish~]]"
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> 1617054386 374383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fishheads14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81669&oldid=81668 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+132) 10
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< 1617060188 668349 :LKoen!~LKoen@65.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
> 1617060515 172894 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Examinable Invocation Vector14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81670&oldid=73307 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2249) 10Add TIO links
< 1617061813 319117 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would seem that, when shifting by bytes for writing small-endian/big-endian numbers in a file/buffer, it can be useful to write the shift amount as an octal number. How common is this, though?
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> 1617067360 149003 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Cnamejj 5*  10New user account
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> 1617068060 815884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81671&oldid=81651 5* 03Cnamejj 5* (+456) 10
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< 1617069532 668911 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION meows
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< 1617070107 880190 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyaa
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< 1617073063 870080 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :=^_^=
< 1617073896 331635 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent chatted here enough in a while
< 1617073899 210789 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :or meowed i guess
< 1617073907 432254 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows computers?
< 1617074120 706391 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric as always
< 1617074131 635332 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good, just the way i like them
< 1617074139 466564 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm debianizing my new laptop
< 1617074145 663323 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's not very esoteric as linux distros go
< 1617074178 848808 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :im realizing id probably have much more joy in computing if i made a point of being recreationally esoteric, obtuse, or just straight-up weird about it more often
< 1617074191 753587 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity i probably should not apply that to my work
< 1617074193 570031 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey
< 1617074194 562681 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this is a good place for that :)
< 1617074197 69789 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1617074198 265325 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1617074199 797948 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1617074227 319255 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :many a good memory are from here
< 1617074234 964562 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1617074325 17437 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some bad or facepalm-y ones but i guess that's what happens when youve been in an irc channel since you were a teenager
< 1617074350 104718 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1617074361 350413 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have plenty of that too
< 1617074390 700395 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the whole good though
< 1617074542 929579 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Hero Mesh is probably ready for actual use now, although there are still plans to add more things, and more testing would also be helpful.
< 1617074604 840402 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38
< 1617074883 930868 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, hello
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> 1617079438 514139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:6-514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81672&oldid=81650 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+345) 10
> 1617079961 745485 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DROL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81673&oldid=75200 5* 03Cnamejj 5* (+0) 10The `l` command squares the first register not `e` (as was listed in the docs).  That appears to be a typo/cut-n-paste error since `e` is the command to decrement the second register.
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> 1617087483 947070 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck But With Buffer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81674&oldid=81663 5* 03DoggianoMaster 5* (+509) 10
> 1617087522 415572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck But With Buffer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81675&oldid=81674 5* 03DoggianoMaster 5* (+19) 10/* Commands */
> 1617087560 689159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck But With Buffer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81676&oldid=81675 5* 03DoggianoMaster 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */
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> 1617088915 25469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Newton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81677&oldid=41192 5* 03DoggianoMaster 5* (+121) 10
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> 1617104938 455277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Plutonium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81678&oldid=80009 5* 03Shahryar 5* (+59) 10Added hello world program
> 1617107114 395642 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck But With Buffer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81679&oldid=81676 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+176) 10/* Commands */ Add code tags
> 1617107683 682140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Plutonium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81680&oldid=81678 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+10) 10Format header
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< 1617108779 711439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1617108780 35244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 301220Z AUTO 17005KT 130V230 3600 HZ NCD 21/05 Q1027 NOSIG
< 1617108784 119092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1617109711 809109 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :confettiX
< 1617110663 213353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1617110663 578501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 301250Z 11004KT 050V210 CAVOK 21/M01 Q1030 NOSIG
< 1617110674 846328 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dry
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< 1617112644 801077 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are totally not robots 
< 1617112653 777100 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure
< 1617112704 978125 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: totally?
< 1617112705 163165 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they did take a lot longer to develop
< 1617112844 30021 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot when will you develop your own robot?
< 1617112844 231743 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: and said on scheme? ( what os?) outside chicago
< 1617112861 90137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I guess that's true, if you think of all the evolutionary steps of humans as part of the development process.
< 1617112861 233536 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's the difference
< 1617112866 478279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep.
< 1617112921 580154 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine the process where the bad build is kept being tested for 70 years
< 1617112946 901703 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no master branch
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< 1617114174 441885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAPA 301353Z 12007KT 3SM -SN BR BKN035 OVC050 M05/M07 A2999 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 4 SLP155 P0001 T10501067
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> 1617144768 682701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Realm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81684&oldid=73723 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+646) 10Add TIO links
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> 1617147039 194526 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81685&oldid=81351 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+306) 10
> 1617147094 35579 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81686&oldid=81685 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+10) 10/* Hello, world! */
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> 1617147185 988533 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81688&oldid=81687 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+12) 10
> 1617147207 720962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81689&oldid=81688 5* 03Largejamie 5* (-12) 10/* Hello, world! */
> 1617147267 893786 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81690&oldid=81689 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+6) 10
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> 1617147420 88770 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THIS IS NOT A BRAINFUCK DERIVATIVE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81691 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+5121) 10Move from sandbox (yay!)
> 1617147558 322699 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PDA-er14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81692 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+168) 10Created page with "'''DFA-er''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Largejamie]] in March 2021 whose programs create and then run input on a [[Push-down automaton]]."
> 1617147616 448839 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81693&oldid=81690 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+338) 10
> 1617147849 419355 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81694&oldid=81682 5* 03Not applicable 5* (-5305) 10remove TINBFD
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> 1617148029 615157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81695&oldid=81693 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+62) 10/* Interpreters */
> 1617148439 760689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THIS IS NOT A BRAINFUCK DERIVATIVE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81696&oldid=81691 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+4410) 10Added categories and sample programs
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> 1617148557 71935 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81697&oldid=81695 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+102) 10
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> 1617148658 202092 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[075D Brainfuck With Multiverse Time Travel14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81699&oldid=78251 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+2) 10note that a link is interwiki
> 1617148892 20954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81700&oldid=81698 5* 03Largejamie 5* (-2) 10/* Overview */
> 1617149050 653459 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[075D Brainfuck With Multiverse Time Travel14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81701&oldid=81699 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+10) 10i always mess up one thing.... ONE THING when editing pages.... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
> 1617149054 963215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81702&oldid=81535 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+587) 10
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> 1617151748 30221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81703&oldid=81612 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+855) 10add stupidc and stupidexpr
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< 1617155535 807710 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I find testers for my software?
> 1617155983 604483 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fishheads14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81704&oldid=81683 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (-44) 10
< 1617156990 481327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of software is it?
< 1617157002 189785 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game program
< 1617157011 702504 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this case, at least)
< 1617157103 445109 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is a game engine program, for grid-based puzzle games, such as sokoban and Hero Hearts
> 1617157869 266790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fishheads14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81705&oldid=81704 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+86) 10
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< 1617167242 437701 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the following code, when compiled with tcc -nostdlib caused tcc to segafult
< 1617167247 279881 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :static void test () {;} void _start() {test();}
< 1617168161 521260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for me.
< 1617168328 992982 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version of tcc?
< 1617168353 18468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.9.27 (x86_64 Linux)
< 1617168398 615430 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same version I have. how very odd
< 1617168442 913066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe my version is more recent.
< 1617168459 687803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the segfault from the git tag release_0_9_27, but not from what's in /usr/bin/ or ~/local/bin/
< 1617168723 221380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bisected it and it looks like it was fixed in 8f6fcb709ae7b2379866c292ce478ab95dc75b48
< 1617168738 431820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :    - tccelf.c: fix a crash when GOT has no relocs (witn -nostdlib)
< 1617168795 262511 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1617168822 250069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bisected it and it looks like it was fixed in 8f6fcb709ae7b2379866c292ce478ab95dc75b48
< 1617168835 856102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I posted about the floating point calling convention bug I ran into a while ago.
< 1617168990 425399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that message got double-posted. I meant to say "tcc has some bugs.".
< 1617169089 688427 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, looks like the "mob" branch does indeed fix that problem
< 1617170976 692809 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am not using tcc. Does tcc have any GNU extensions? What version of C is implemented?
< 1617171019 904176 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, good if you found a bug, so that if you do use, then you can fix it
< 1617171200 483353 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you supposed to add "void" after the function name to indicate that no arguments are expected?
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> 1617174360 126773 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81706&oldid=81660 5* 03Strohtaler 5* (-124) 10
> 1617174600 413579 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fishheads14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81707&oldid=81705 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+74) 10
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< 1617175194 585333 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which solitaire card games include jokers?
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< 1617177402 669216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It would probably be a good idea to add void there.
< 1617177408 244830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not required in C.
< 1617177418 460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe a recent version of C actually does require it? I'm not sure.)
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< 1617183916 585181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A recent (so recent it isn't out yet) version does *some* changes in that space, but still allows () in declarations, and in fact makes () in *definitions* fully equivalent with (void), not just vaguely similar. The bigger change is to outlaw non-empty identifier lists (aka, non-prototype function definitions); but the empty one is still allowed.
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< 1617183933 868503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C11 6.7.6.3p14: "An empty list in a function declarator that is part of a definition of that function specifies that the function has no parameters [but doesn't provide a prototype]. The empty list in a function declarator that is not part of a definition of that function specifies that no information about the number or types of the parameters is supplied."
< 1617183944 537552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :N2596 (latest C23 draft) 6.7.6.3p13: "For a function declarator without a parameter type list: if it is part of a definition of that function the function has no parameters and the effect is as if it were declared with a parameter type list consisting of the keyword `void`; otherwise it specifies that no information about the number or types of parameters is supplied."
< 1617184209 305009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should hopefully put to rest the argument about `int main() { ... }`, because up until now people have been arguing it doesn't satisfy the "`int main(void) { /* ... */ }` -- or equivalent" rule (C11 5.1.2.2.1p1), because even thouogh it "specifies that the function has no parameters", it's not 100% "equivalent". With the "as if it were declared" wording, I don't think that's reasonable any more.
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< 1617189012 247947 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s sad when people think an underspecified question “find all solutions of <…>” when there is no clarification of variables’ domains, automatically means their domains are all ℂ
< 1617189091 831833 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :like of course there is one maximal field (or ring or what) of them all, *and* of course it is ℂ. Because they don’t know anything else at all
< 1617189516 563794 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not even sure surreals may be considered *the* maximal ordered field in all honesty: their construction looks too dependent on what set theory model we consider. Hopefully I’m wrong and differences in their content are no larger than in that of the, say, ℝ. I don’t know in what language this idea is even expressible
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> 1617193471 148554 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81709&oldid=81630 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+26) 10[[DFA-er]] and [[PDA-er]]
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< 1617198047 679379 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: makes sense. if the function takes no parameters, then it must be called with no arguments, so the lack of prototype doesn't cause the arguments to be converted differently, so C might as well decide that that a definition without parameters counts as if there was a prototype, that won't be incompatible with no-prototype code, and it makes life easier for C++ coders
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< 1617199701 601085 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :running with -nostdlib makes the entry point to be named _start
> 1617200624 788205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ObjectPar14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81710&oldid=8371 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10See also
< 1617200677 263464 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the a Busy Beaver equivalent for Turing machines equipped with halting oracles
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< 1617203159 396380 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should work different? aren't busy beavers halting eventually by definition?
< 1617203663 636121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The busy beaver would be, but I don't think that's inconsistent with the possibility that you could write a better busy beaver if you had access to a halting oracle. Maybe something like, a program that runs all the possible halting programs up to some size before it halts; that's something you couldn't do without a halting oracle.
< 1617203669 917176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't have any sort of intuition on whether the answer is yes or no.)
< 1617209336 219905 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... morbid thought... they removed half of the () semantics in function declarators because K&R is half dead.
< 1617209520 241442 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, what is the busy beaver question? Was there context before Taneb's malformed (I have geniune trouble deciphering it) remark?
< 1617209762 969708 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuing on the C train... I hate writing (void) though. It looks so silly.
< 1617209935 307675 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is silly
< 1617210047 883784 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Taneb's "the" is just "there", and then it makes sense. That took way too long.
< 1617210142 974642 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: And then the answer is yes, of course. Note that the halting oracle is for ordinary TMs, not fully introspective; the latter would be logically inconsistent. And presumably you would count the oracle query as a single step.
< 1617211106 467032 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think you can define busy beaver for any level of the arithmetic hierarchy
< 1617211182 920839 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and BB(n) for a higher level is always strictly greater than the level below?
< 1617211260 915297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tricky... how exactly do you define the next level of the hierarchy? what does an oracle query look like?
< 1617211268 191152 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The n-s mat be incomparable.
< 1617211308 115647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you properly extend the formalism so that an n-state TM is an n-state TM at higher levels as well... then yes.
< 1617211357 548595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the same semantics, I should say)
< 1617212086 561530 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_machine#Definitions
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< 1617218128 453242 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1617218141 681373 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong windows:(
< 1617218303 205819 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are in a twisty maze of passages, all alike.
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< 1617220891 29189 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is it that game set in a nonseparable infinite-dimensional space?
< 1617221128 660863 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I'm worried that you may be talking about a real thing. But no.
< 1617221924 432014 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep I think it was called λPω±U*
> 1617221981 761699 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81712&oldid=81694 5* 03Not applicable 5* (-48) 10oops forgot to remove TINBFD from the list
< 1617221987 75276 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a while to remember that complicated name
< 1617222018 701647 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:d88a:212:fdd6:bbee PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably takes equally as long to type it without copy-pasting the whole thing
< 1617222032 94503 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: the maze originates in the original advent/Zork... it has found its way into other text adventurees as well.
< 1617222083 212226 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I suspected that was an allusion
< 1617222144 7778 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :NotApplicable: ha, if only! Let me type it via my AHK script starting from now
< 1617222152 566837 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :λPω±U*
< 1617222163 247959 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :too simple
< 1617222233 992059 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is typed as \lambda␣P\omega␣\pm␣U* where ␣ is the space
< 1617222259 891125 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:d88a:212:fdd6:bbee PRIVMSG #esoteric :\lambda P\omega \pm U*
< 1617222283 21462 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :many replacements based on [La]TeX’s names for symbols, but many others are named completely differently
< 1617222307 448950 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :NotApplicable: replacements are on my side only, of course
< 1617222337 537476 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t inject arbitrary code to Freenode servers. Yet
< 1617222338 374577 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:d88a:212:fdd6:bbee PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just wondering if xChat would do the same lol
< 1617222341 539983 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:d88a:212:fdd6:bbee PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not
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< 1617224934 648935 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-doltfppulyslazvr PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv_: only code from an enumerated, limited set?
< 1617224977 435653 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.4.124.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep, from an empty one! :D
< 1617224980 800932 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.4.124.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :arseniiv
< 1617225016 831958 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.4.124.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was I too quick to fold
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> 1617230681 935516 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Grain14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81713 5* 03Grom 5* (+364) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Grain |paradigms=not specified |author=[[User:Grom|Grom]] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |class=[[:Category:Turing_complete|Turing complete]] |majorimp..."
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> 1617232488 340638 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Grain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81714&oldid=81713 5* 03Grom 5* (+486) 10
> 1617232556 65985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Grain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81715&oldid=81714 5* 03Grom 5* (+24) 10
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