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< 1617927913 903099 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: the comments link to that
< 1617927925 327060 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with coupled track switches
< 1617927962 290268 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.4.89.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that’s good, then! I’m a bit sad when information is lost
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< 1617938753 514785 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found a number for which the version of cosine in my complex.h
< 1617938777 597512 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :differs from the result i get from the x87 fcos instruction 
< 1617938877 981471 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :64.40000000000061675109 or 0x40501999999999c5 in hex
< 1617939284 534194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one really uses the x87 instruction, right?
< 1617939437 452698 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect they use some SSE thing by now
< 1617939511 745182 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun
< 1617939543 52223 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i386 or amd64?
< 1617939563 465674 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the amd64 ABI (at least on Linux) uses SSE registers for floats
< 1617939575 630136 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the assumption that you're using SSE ops too
< 1617939613 75945 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amd64 ABI uses SSE registers for float and double but still x87 for long double
< 1617939625 570064 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the complex.h one, when I step through it, appears to run the taylor series
< 1617939632 579554 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat
< 1617939636 261392 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because long double is still an x87 80-bit float)
< 1617939664 622595 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did x87 end up using 80 bits internally, anyway
< 1617939742 994293 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :design intent varied from how people actually used it, basically. the intent was that you'd do all intermediate computation in 80-bits, and then round when you were finally done to 64-bit or 32-bit
< 1617939920 750492 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x87 is _slightly_ odd as an FPU design overall -- as implemented in modern x86 it's IEEE-compliant, but x87 _predates_ IEEE floats
< 1617939957 690494 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the IEEE float standard is based on x87, not the other way around)
< 1617940054 603734 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering how they arrived at 80 bits specifically
< 1617940082 723020 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :double coscomplex(double x){return creal(cexp(I*x));}
< 1617940087 510492 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :double cosx87(double x){asm("fldl %1\n\tfcos\n\tfstpl %1":"+m"(x)::);return x;}
< 1617940194 103623 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that for compatibility to an existing system
< 1617940209 644346 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just deemed to be enough precision for intermediate calculations with a 64 bit result
< 1617940254 357204 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was probably a nice 10 byte round number. Also I think there was an existing 10 byte BCD format?
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< 1617940313 843770 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was the latter, kmc
< 1617940324 190295 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiui there was no pre-existing system they were compatible with
< 1617940346 299450 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :legacy float formats are... mind-bending nonsense, and not very ieee-reminiscent
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< 1617942766 859142 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9WyEfzWPg
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< 1617946746 481885 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that Gemini protocol requires TLS; sometimes it is useful to have a non-TLS version. My suggestion is that the non-TLS version uses a different URI scheme, perhaps "insecure-gemini:" can be used. A non-proxy server that implements the non-TLS variant should treat the two URI schemes as equivalent. If a client certificate is requested, the client must switch to the secure protocol.
< 1617946870 876989 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and about the trains; maybe write on esolang wiki something so that we can see how those models are working, and perhaps a syntax for computer codes with it
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< 1617974578 878953 :requestingdeleti!52276872@cpc93788-hari17-2-0-cust2161.20-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1617974602 486648 :requestingdeleti!52276872@cpc93788-hari17-2-0-cust2161.20-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't sure if there was a better place to ask in, but i was wondering if it were possible for an old account of mine on Esolangs to be deleted
< 1617974634 527714 :requestingdeleti!52276872@cpc93788-hari17-2-0-cust2161.20-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've not used it in years and just leaving it to lie around there for so many years probably isn't very secure in the long run
< 1617974701 908759 :requestingdeleti!52276872@cpc93788-hari17-2-0-cust2161.20-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that not entirely doable because of MediaWiki?
< 1617975648 568313 :requestingdeleti!52276872@cpc93788-hari17-2-0-cust2161.20-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello?
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< 1617975940 320778 :requestingdeleti!52276872@cpc93788-hari17-2-0-cust2161.20-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess in that case i might as well leave that account to rot and nothing else?
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< 1617976975 304875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1617976991 818873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missed that by 15 minutes. But I don't know the answer either.
< 1617977009 749869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine there's quite a lot of "inactive" accounts on the wiki, anyway.
< 1617977057 476423 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as it's easier to create a new account than it is to hack an old one...
< 1617977060 851880 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I wouldn't worry.
< 1617977086 275276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admin accounts may be a different ball game
> 1617977405 178583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Birb14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82030 5* 03SCKelemen 5* (+1548) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Birb |website= |paradigms=functional |author= |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |typesys=untyped |memsys=stack-based |refimpl= |class=:Category:Turing c..."
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< 1617980369 95699 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with int-e, there's not much point to remove the old account. I did remove admin rights from myself this year on a wiki that I'm no longer interested in,
< 1617980422 645301 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I had my privilages removed from my perlmonks.com account last year (they have a policy to remove janitor privilage from people who aren't active janitors, but nothing like that for the lower privilages that I had).
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> 1617988540 478184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Falel14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82034 5* 03Umanochiocciola 5* (+1642) 10Created page with "Fancy Assembly Like EsoLang  This is a little thing I made after playing Shenzen I/O.   ==Documentation==  <code>  Memory Scheme   |  out-buff  |  in-buff  |   acc   |  x3   ...."
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< 1617996241 29721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if it's common nowadays to use a 1600x1200 resolution when emulating the non-square-pixel 4:3 320x200 VGA display modes. That'd give the right aspect ratio, and integer scaling in both dimensions (320*5 = 1600, 200*6 = 1200), and fit into a reasonably sized window on an 1440p monitor.
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< 1617996326 131286 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but most people use 1920x1080 resolution monitors, so that won't work
< 1617996332 958414 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we also might want space for other things
< 1617996379 572420 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I personally have an 1920x1200 monitor, 16:10 ratio, at home right now, until this one dies completely, but those are hard to buy)
< 1617996388 529423 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we just use smaller sizes
< 1617996388 529473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they? I thought 1440p and 2560p was getting pretty popular? 
< 1617996409 525579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it's still "most".
< 1617996415 133268 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a few people have such high resolution, but I think 1920x1080 is still the most common
< 1617996441 149162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ says 67.35% 1920x1080, and 8.01% 2560x1440.
< 1617996454 164581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And 2.41% 3840x2160.)
< 1617996515 309644 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mind you, it's likely that the 1920x1080 are the monitors that the office buys to people to do their job, and the videogamers that emulate 320x200 resolution games are more likely to have more or bigger monitors at home where they play the videogames
< 1617996536 698975 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's of course the opposite effect, with radiologists who use big monitors for their work, but that's a small minority)
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< 1617997934 394356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've settled on a 2x 25" 2560x1440 combination, but at the office it was more convenient to go with the stock arrangement of 2x 27" 2560x1440, which I think is a little bit larger than necessary, physically speaking. (The *other* stock arrangement would have been 1x 32" 3840x2160.)
< 1617997977 846797 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1617998056 422629 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know yet what monitor I'll buy, and I hope I won't have to buy it soon, because I would hate if this one died
< 1617998233 593776 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, but maybe you don't work at one of those run-of-the-mill office jobs, but as a programmer who sometimes uses their work computer for more than Excel spreadsheets and facebook
< 1617998573 573518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One inconvenience with a two-monitor setup is that if you need to replace one (because of the magic smoke getting out, for example), you're limited to (a) sticking with the existing dot pitch, (b) ending up with two monitors where moving a window from one to another makes everything larger, or (c) having to replace a perfectly good monitor as well.
< 1617998608 201931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent quite a few years in option (b), with a 2560x1440 + 1920x1200 pair.
< 1617998871 614855 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: plus it only works for the lizardmen from mars who infiltrated Earth, because they have pairs of chameleon eyes so they can look at multiple monitors at the same time. I for one hate that setup, it just leads either to staring at a boundary between two monitors, or having to turn my neck to stare at one monitor all the time. I'm glad I could convince my job to take one monitor away, the 
< 1617998877 776601 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :resulting one monitor setup is more enjoyable.
> 1617998950 925376 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fishheads14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82039&oldid=82038 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+162) 10/* Example programs */
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< 1617999625 673592 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lie around there for so many years probably isn't very secure in the long run"
< 1617999654 608633 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like his point was something like that he used the same password everywhere at that time ..D
< 1617999695 107597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they could certainly generate a random new password. Assuming they can log on to that account still.
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< 1617999772 279372 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the leak could happen any time
< 1617999795 91382 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :before he realised he has this account "to lie around there for so many years"
< 1617999828 541815 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it's possible to do anything about it
< 1617999848 217556 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just giving my guess just why he was asking about this at all
< 1618000407 575405 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password
< 1618000409 898738 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is hiding in plain sight.
< 1618000460 52153 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it did get changed, though rather late
< 1618002257 209973 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get a new monitor. it's a touch annoying having a high DPI and standard DPI screen
< 1618002278 666389 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :though at least these days i'm using all mac os, and the mac os support for that is not-terrible (unlike other OSes i could name)
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< 1618009885 359895 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 1280x1024
< 1618010248 362614 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new laptop is a 14" 1080p
< 1618010264 596765 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher DPI would be nice, but it's a good screen in other respects
< 1618010270 303421 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care about 16:9 versus 16:10
< 1618010393 773651 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f w h = w*h/(w^2+h^2) in f 16 10/f 16 9
< 1618010395 664416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0518102372034956
< 1618010413 851045 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:10 gives you 5% more screen space for the same diagonal length ;)
< 1618010558 697122 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The monitor will have to fit on the desk, and you might want pixels of a certain minimum and maximum size
< 1618010854 753860 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is... 2560x1600, 13.3" (16:10)
< 1618010869 110637 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty nice resolution for a small display
< 1618011041 966539 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has liked this laptop a fair bit more than she was expecting

< 1618011270 814046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:10 1920x1200 has that (niche?) benefit that you can play 16:9 1080p video without any scaling and still have space at the bottom (or top, if you bend that way) for showing playback controls without obscuring the video.
< 1618011288 423067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or maybe subtitles. Though I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad idea.
< 1618011362 112656 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is fine to hide playback controls and use the controls on the keyboard, although you may want to display subtitles/captions and time codes, and the track number
< 1618011377 771322 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the playback controls thing is the justification for 16:10
< 1618011401 704130 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho even watching video on here i really do prefer to have them hidden when not interacting with the controls
< 1618011414 963987 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :letterboxing is just nicer than graphics that arent what im looking at
< 1618011717 828751 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any DVD video software allow you to adjust the colours and opacity of the subtitles?
< 1618011803 199659 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have read some details of the format, and it seems that this should be possible, but I have never seen any DVD player that has such an option.)
< 1618012129 171987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mpv can convert them to grayscale (--sub-gray, mentions DVD image subtitles), but I think nothing more elaborate than that. DVDSubEdit (a Windows-only program?) appears to have an arbitrary color remapping option, but it's not a playback program.
< 1618012152 593840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DVDSubEdit looks vaguely familiar. I wonder if I've maybe used it.)
< 1618012260 528587 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used VLC to play DVDs, but I believe it can, and it allows adjusting the colors and opacity of subtitles in general
< 1618012381 766388 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DVD player I have (connected to the television) can change the colours and opacity of captions, but not of subtitles. (However, you cannot turn on/off captions or select them during playback, but you can select subtitles during playback.)
< 1618012561 21166 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if anything can, i usually just accept the subtitle rendering for whatever i'm watching
< 1618012719 20459 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you watch movies from DVD? _Oo
< 1618012770 427277 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly whenever i _do_ watch things on dvd it's actually me ripping it :p
< 1618012780 5355 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxxtvzbxjcuouwfs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i usually mux the raw dvd subs in when i do that