< 1618618294 369102 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my ideas of web browser is that extensions can be written in C or in JavaScript; they are not limited to only JavaScript. Another idea is cookie notification in the status line; if the user ignores it then the cookie is set (or not set, if cookies are disabled), but the user can push the keys to customize the cookies it just received. < 1618618311 437734 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Cookies can also be edited later at any time.) < 1618618397 209833 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Firefox, you can push ALT+ENTER in the location bar to open it in a new tab. With the relative location bar feature, this is useful, so this can be retained. And then, SHIFT+ENTER and CTRL+ENTER can be used for other things, such as to edit the request headers (and possibly make a POST request), or to bypass the cache. < 1618618459 619110 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1618619042 892132 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1618619690 606597 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1618619712 971132 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1618619859 529358 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.237.136 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1618621600 914901 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1618621861 590755 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@184.63.25.137 JOIN :#esoteric > 1618627066 613990 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Duocentehexaquinquagesimal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82211&oldid=82210 5* 03Makonede 5* (+21) 10 > 1618627074 484219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Duocentehexaquinquagesimal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82212&oldid=82211 5* 03Makonede 5* (+2) 10 < 1618628654 643056 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-152-127-91.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1618628763 983058 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1618628891 831197 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1618628892 540779 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-152-127-91.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1618628908 550228 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-152-127-91.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1618629129 826162 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-152-127-91.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1618630039 576999 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1618631721 931606 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5d6af6-251.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1618631954 453449 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5d6af6-251.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1618633605 222795 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1618633745 388369 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1618635559 602934 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1618637531 353769 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program to download a specified version of a program from a fossil repository: http://sprunge.us/IHCjWI < 1618637536 315631 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1618637774 372410 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a mode should be added to verify a PGP signature. < 1618638688 673539 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@184.63.25.137 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1618640079 844341 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1618640350 899002 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1618640543 840968 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1618640932 963413 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1618642553 190733 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1618643696 462079 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1618643863 902392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1618645074 908407 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1618645593 425991 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1618645617 396426 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1618645948 270166 :LKoen!~LKoen@65.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1618646839 801628 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1618646997 694903 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1618648984 604307 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1618649663 34777 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1618654603 13577 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.237.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1618655526 508839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, MediaWiki 1.35 bundles Extension:VisualEditor now. Wonder if that'd be worth enabling. < 1618656423 764551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might reduce the number of microedits a bit, and maybe people actually like it? < 1618656493 488324 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm reading between the lines that users can disable it if they hate it < 1618656550 470891 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor#Activating_VisualEditor_by_default ... assuming you don't do the $wgHiddenPrefs[] = 'visualeditor-enable'; thing, and why would you?) < 1618656573 26378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, AIUI you can do it on an opt-in or an opt-out basis. < 1618656822 962811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly care about the default. opt-out means people will actually try it out, while with opt-in it may not be used at all < 1618656904 404951 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in the bubble I live in, most people hate the visual editor < 1618656932 448624 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's especially the users who clean up after newbies using the visual editor who hate it < 1618657014 414708 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ah, do you have an example of such a cleanup? (Not urgent, I'm just wondering what kind if things would get messed up.) < 1618657061 145351 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doubting you, you're much more of a Mediawiki user than I am. < 1618657088 834858 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, of course, still don't like visual editors, as you may surmise from my old https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=789779 < 1618657123 668010 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect I wouldn't like it either, but I'm happy enough if I have a knob to turn it off. < 1618657197 539300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's the Word effect when you have visual editors (where people format text with explicit newlines and spaces) < 1618657210 515198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also use every available markup at least once per page) < 1618657253 515252 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm speculating. Hence the desire to see an example. :) < 1618657262 808235 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128060 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56947 < 1618657279 507684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( phacebook ) < 1618657404 870692 :LKoen!~LKoen@65.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1618657520 935464 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there's sort of the other side of the spectrum from visual editors, which are these modern programs that take plain text input but try to apply too much magic formatting to it, like the IRC clients that replace :p with a smiley in std::pair. The latest such overeager one I met is https://superuser.com/q/1642304/ < 1618657638 401590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Chat converts ~foo~ to strikethrough formatting even when it's part of an autolinkified URL, which looks kind of funny because we have a somewhat frequently linked class of URLs that end in "XXX~YYY~ZZZ". < 1618657647 925048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course this isn't a real problem with IRC... where you can just switch to a better client.) < 1618657669 697589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, the link still works when clicked, but of course a plaintext copy-paste just makes it XXXYYYZZZ. < 1618657670 57080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "better" happens to mean "less smart". < 1618657675 118753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 'smart' < 1618657729 344694 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Of course those two phabricator reports in conjunction demonstrate why this is a hard problem. < 1618657740 339034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Or ‘smart’? ;) < 1618657750 511211 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Too Unicode < 1618657770 998371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to use “smart” quotes with the word smart, it's a rule. < 1618657776 329449 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Of course you'd never want to change [[2000]] to [[2000|2001]], but also, of course, you never want to change [[Beaver]] to [[Beavers]]. < 1618657797 88643 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suppose that's fair. > 1618658014 106255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82213&oldid=67187 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+0) 10Post-upgrade edit test for 1.35.1. < 1618658031 115521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't enable that editor, at least yet, just did the upgrade.) < 1618658072 479991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I got that version wrong, it's 1.35.2. < 1618658246 885849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: quick! to the time machine! < 1618658282 860646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: after all, you control the wiki database and 1/3 of the public logs < 1618658316 754562 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't let that power go unabused < 1618658416 775752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have always been at war with Eastasia. < 1618658538 881798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, I still haven't made any progress on detonating the Sun < 1618658541 179652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to run rebuildFileCache.php (as I do after every upgrade, to pre-populate it), and it got to "Cached page 'Les Accents Français' (id 11695)..." but then choked up by exhausting the available memory and starting to swap. I don't know if it's the page after that (whatever it is), or just something more general like a memory leak. < 1618658580 352424 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1618658890 993268 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1618658900 713074 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1618660089 574833 :LKoen!~LKoen@65.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1618661189 278049 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.237.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bye! < 1618661191 275269 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.237.136 QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1618661499 185123 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1618663922 829256 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1618663955 103740 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1618664015 403658 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1618664195 230731 :LKoen!~LKoen@65.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1618664197 592197 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1618664235 707660 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PREG14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82214 5* 03EZ132 5* (+1432) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=PREG |paradigms=imperative |author=[[User:EZ132]] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |memsys=register based |class=:Category:Unknown computational class|..." > 1618664249 787073 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PREG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82215&oldid=82214 5* 03EZ132 5* (-29) 10 > 1618664357 789121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82216&oldid=82168 5* 03EZ132 5* (+11) 10/* P */ < 1618664731 865742 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1618667873 492898 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1618668320 834982 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1618668567 237855 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-152-127-91.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1618668590 764621 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-152-127-91.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1618668609 275699 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-152-127-91.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1618668811 639682 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-152-127-91.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1618672138 212137 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.136 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1618672559 278491 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1618672591 173497 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1618673711 228686 :LKoen!~LKoen@65.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1618675919 609252 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@184.21.16.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1618681381 271525 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like WYSIWYG editing and I disable the VisualEditor anyways. (What might help, though, is a new attribute for to specify the expected format of the text; if understood by the client and enabled by the user, then it can do whatever the user has configured e.g. syntax highlighting, auto-completion, WYSIWYG, previewing, etc; this allows customization, and may also improve speed since it may be native code) < 1618681548 142152 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If not implemented in the client but document scripts are enabled, they can be used instead, but they might be slower (since they aren't native code) and might not do what the end user wands.) < 1618681554 40556 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wands/wants/ < 1618681681 259915 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea of web browser I have is script substitution. If the user installs a script to substitute for a specific script (either by URL or by hash), then it will use that script instead of the one specified in the document. This can work even if document scripts are disabled. If by hash and the integrity attribute is specified, then the script is not downloaded if there is a substitution, since the hash is already known. < 1618681708 863929 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the substitution is by URL, then the script is never downloaded.) < 1618681903 425545 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About hashes in git, well, fossil can use SHA-1 or SHA3-256. I also think I read somewhere that new versions of git might use SHA2-256. On my computer at least, the "sha1sum" program doesn't seem to have an option for a hardened implementation, and I don't know about if the Node.js crypto module has such an option either < 1618683598 893046 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1618685298 615679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1618685619 289168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I feel it's probably some sort of a memory leak in the update script, and/or PHP itself. I restarted it from where it ended up at (there's an argument to specify the start page ID) and watched the free memory, and it went down in a linear fashion. Guess I'll just do it in chunks the next time or something. < 1618685716 860746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/free/available/, strictly speaking.) < 1618687688 235680 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1618687772 952198 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1618687899 844976 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-151.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: check if it has any settings, maybe it caches a large amount of the database in memory or something < 1618689331 865217 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1618689418 959358 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1618689419 431739 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1618693838 330131 :LKoen!~LKoen@65.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1618695519 949566 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1618695900 974558 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1618700454 354214 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1618702255 657964 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Bye!