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It might not even be a ridiculous time to catch live. 12:39:59 it's early in the morning I think... let me check 12:41:16 ah no, it says "Starting at 6pm EDT on April 1, 2021", that's 2021-04-01 22:00Z 12:41:32 -!- LKoen has joined. 12:41:35 I thought it said "6pm PDT" for some reason 12:46:12 oh, new SIGBOVIK! As if the previous was yesterday, time flies like an arrow 12:46:33 damn covid 12:47:28 oh, 22:00Z is pretty late for me to watch videos 12:48:08 though anyway I mostly read the paper sum 12:50:20 `thank b_jonas 12:50:22 thank? No such file or directory 12:50:33 `thanks b_jonas 12:50:34 Thanks, b_jonas. Thonas. 12:50:49 never gets old 12:57:35 you can watch the video on the next day 13:53:49 [[Grain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81728&oldid=81727 * Grom * (+129) 13:54:38 [[Grain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81729&oldid=81728 * Grom * (-8) /* Evidence of viability */ 14:00:27 [[Grain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81730&oldid=81729 * Grom * (+9) /* Evidence of viability */ 14:05:46 [[Grain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81731&oldid=81730 * Grom * (+2) /* Formal Definition of and */ 14:05:57 [[Grain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81732&oldid=81731 * Grom * (-1) /* Formal Definition of and */ 14:08:22 [[Grain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81733&oldid=81732 * Grom * (+22) /* Formal Definition of and */ 14:11:32 finally Ruby code goes vertical like Befunge: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/17768 14:14:03 tbh i like the basic idea 14:14:36 like, maybe not that exact syntax, but that would make mass assigns and similar more readable 14:16:15 fungot: when will this tiresome day be over? 14:16:15 int-e: " erik. on c, for example, it's true that in scheme 14:16:51 [[Grain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81734&oldid=81733 * Grom * (+202) /* Formal Definition of and */ 14:23:51 I should make that filter more permissive. 14:24:19 Nothing wrong with /* Formal Definition of 𝕄 and 𝔾 */ at least for this channel, we're very UTF-8 friendly. 14:30:17 [[Grain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81735&oldid=81734 * Grom * (+174) 14:30:29 [[Grain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81736&oldid=81735 * Grom * (+1) /* Evidence of viability */ 14:38:29 -!- mniip has quit (Ping timeout: 608 seconds). 14:42:01 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:53:30 -!- drunken_lizard has joined. 14:54:54 Anyone have general advice for writing a Rockstar program that prints a specific message? In a totally mad and convoluted way, ofc 15:10:22 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:18:42 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:18:52 -!- NeverBorn has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:29:59 -!- sprock has joined. 15:31:03 -!- delta23 has joined. 16:02:41 nakilon: :D 16:03:38 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 16:48:02 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:49:54 [[No Literals, Gotos Only, Final Destination!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81737&oldid=60888 * Something Fawful * (+37) /* Official Implementation */ added... finally (took me long enough) 16:51:13 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Or they just say hi and expect you to hi back immediately? :o 18:38:37 arseniiv some mix of predefined QA and generated responses I guess 18:40:07 b_jonas the hard thing is grammar errors people do ( 18:40:24 I’m too sad this ##math isn’t so esoteric, a couple of times I joined there it wasn’t very good for my questions, IIRC 18:40:33 s/this/that 18:40:57 IIRC it wasn't helpful for me either 18:41:27 not that I can speak their language 18:41:33 nakilon: that's what you get anywhere if you want instant low latency chat with people rather than carefully composed long form replies with hours of latency between users on a web forum. IRC just made sure we have that in writing, not just spoken in person and on telephone 18:41:40 I wanted to ask something about rotating bunches of vectors here but remembered about ##math and now I’m mixed 18:42:12 arseniiv: you can't easily make a good forum whose topic is just "math", because by default it gets flooded by boring math homework questions 18:42:21 arseniiv: you can ask here about rotating bunches of vectors though 18:42:34 b_jonas for some reason average Russian chat text has 5-10 times more errors in the words that average English chat text 18:42:48 chats are awesome, though one-line chats are a bit Procrustean 18:43:07 but the sentences are incorrect more often because of non-native speakers 18:43:16 *more often in English 18:43:19 b_jonas: I know! I’m just have issues with myself spamming esoteric questions in #esoteric 18:44:08 one-line chat logs are easier to parse ..D 18:45:04 also private messaging logs are easier to build message pairs but they aren't shared publicly 18:46:14 nakilon: did you really sample all the average English text chat and the average Russian text chat? there's so much of it, at least for English, most in places that I avoid, that I have no idea what the average is like 18:46:33 now I wonder about Hungarian, Finnish and some other chats (do I have a poor memory on who is a native speaker of what) 18:46:51 b_jonas I can judge by current dialog and reddit that I read every day 18:47:06 I don't know, I do very little chat in Hungarian. about one small community these days, plus some chat for dayjob 18:47:12 average Russian chats have mistakes in every 10th word 18:47:15 nakilon: ah yes. I rarely watch reddit 18:47:27 Russian would write "vord" instead of "word" by 10% chance 18:47:34 nakilon: do you have any guess why it has more mistakes? 18:47:55 isn't it just that you select for the English chats that have less mistakes, but there are fewer choices for Russian chat? 18:48:22 nakilon: reminded me how I misspelled “wave” as “vawe” many times 18:48:26 I mean there's definitely a large spectrum for English too 18:48:29 I guess something about how the pronounciation and spelling correspond to each other 18:48:41 -!- delta23 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:48:44 but not sure 18:49:07 I often see users on English and French chat that seem to type old style SMS speech that I find hard to read 18:49:27 with abbreviations that are often cryptic to me 18:49:45 b_jonas I read not only IT subreddits, a lot is about games 18:52:05 also ~10% of native Russian speakers are Ukrainian citizens and it hurts to read them today after years of ukrainization and prohibition to learn and sometimes even speak Russian 18:53:08 so? English chat has a lot of non-native speakers too, with often questionable command of English 18:53:26 it's often obvious that someone is from Ukraine and has never had even a single lesson of Russian and in result they don't know neither of two languages because they are forced to speak one language in school but use another one at home 18:53:55 sure, that happens in many places 18:55:28 and yes, sometimes you can guess what native language someone speaks. it's easier in spoken text, but still often possible in written 18:56:20 I used to watch a game stream by someone speaking English with the second most egregious Hungarian accent that I've heard from people who regularly speak English 18:56:34 the stream is still there, I'm just less interested 18:57:15 no one recognizes I'm Ukrainian though 18:58:45 you could even recognize Belorussian by a surname but Ukrainian and Russian surnames are more mixed 18:59:27 sure, some people speak English so well that it's harder to tell 19:02:10 there are basically only two clues: 1) how I pronounce "шо" instead of "что" ("what") -- this is how you speak Russian in Eastern Ukraine, and 2) how I pronounce the sound "г" ("gh") that is so subtle that no one spots it unless tries to 19:02:35 ah btw the question is interesting, though not mine. We have an euclidean space, say of dimension 3 (the original question is just about 3) and vectors v1, …, vN and w1, …, wN; 19:02:35 we are interested in value of (v1 ⋅ R(w1)) … (vN ⋅ R(wN)) for an average rotation R, i. e. we want to integrate dμ(R) with respect to a Haar measure μ on SO(3) which is 1 on all of SO(3); 19:02:35 I’ve written various expressions involving 3D vector operations or quaternions (IIRC Haar measure on SO(3) corresponds to an usual euclidean-induced measure on S⁴, the sphere of unit quaternions, 19:02:35 which cover SO(3) doubly but that’s of no pain for this integration) but no use, the integral for even N = 1 looks unapproachable; 19:02:35 for N = 1 it should be 0 (pretty obvious), for N = 2 the asker gives an empirical result (v1 ⋅ v2) (w1 ⋅ w2), and for N = 3 they claim (v1 ⋅ (v2 × v3)) (w1 ⋅ (w2 × w3)); 19:02:35 ⋅ is the inner product and × is a cross product; and I think we can slap a fixed orientation to the euclidean space for less worrying, as we use only SO, not O 19:03:17 nakilon: can your timezone be a clue too? 19:03:26 also when I speak to another Ukrainian (and we have some uplifted mood, maybe after a beer) we both start speaking with much more Ukrainian accent 19:04:17 b_jonas only one timezone in Ukraine ..D but you can timezone Russian citizen by his vocabulary similar to how you can differ far parts of US 19:04:58 nakilon: exactly, but I mean your timezone might be a clue how someone tells that you're Ukranian 19:05:13 though while US pronounciation may differ from state to state it's much less different between parts of Russia even though it's bigger, idk why 19:06:39 nakilon: dunno, that should depend on television and radio, but I don't know much about the history 19:07:06 maybe US was more influence by immigration? 19:07:14 *influenced 19:12:28 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:12:45 "21:47:34 nakilon: do you have any guess why it has more mistakes?" -- oh, maybe because mistakes aren't in roots actually but in suffixes -- you use them in Russian to change the meaning of the word while in English you rather change the order of words 19:13:07 s/actually/usually 19:17:11 for example, "server / on the server" is "сервер / на серверЕ"; my CTO always wrote "на серверИ" -- that was awful 19:23:57 серверИ doesn't seem to be a valid form according to wiktionary 19:24:44 сервери is awful I agree 19:24:58 yep, absolutely invalid word, and it's a pretty common mistake to write И instead of Е in the end 19:25:10 that’s even more eye-straining than “у бабушке” 19:25:54 к бабушки 19:27:42 I’m glad I almost never see that 19:28:03 basically when someone can't learn own language he can't learn English and I believe if you can't English you very likely can't program 19:28:23 good that CTO don't code 19:28:38 at least because good docs are in English yep 19:29:48 my first major dive in English was because of Delphi 7 docs :D though that one was very shallow. Several years latter I started reading webfiction 19:31:37 yeah, those F1 Windows API and stdlib docs -- you was either learning from them or from nowhere 19:35:23 in ~1990 there were Russian books for Spectrum / BASIC, not much computer science in them but a decent start, and then the world has changed somehow; maybe because of Internet, idk 19:36:53 of course it's my point of view that is attached to my age 19:45:17 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:46:35 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 19:48:21 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 19:49:28 I think good physical books on programming and CS were pretty rare; I haven’t had one ever. Had plenty of somethings quickly becoming outdated and having not too much info, like a book on JS or a book about some interesting algorithms and data structures with Delphi code, but I wasn’t tempted to type all that code, and I think I had no internet these days so I couldn’t just download it. Ugh. So the book mostly sat on the shelf. Oh 19:49:28 I was glad I now understood regexes were compilable into graphs nice to use, but anyway the presentation wasn’t the best (it always finished with a page or several of plain code), nor was the breadth, though what do I want from ~300 pages 19:52:02 one needs thousands of pages and tinkering with hundreds of examples of various style to gain a versatile enough understanding, shame paper books aren’t good with this these times. A couple of topics, surely — but at least a decent slice of a discipline? noo 19:53:04 -!- mniip has joined. 19:54:18 you can have a reference for a small language like Lua, and its compact standard library, but you won’t learn how to use a programming language as an instrument decently, only knowing its reference, unfortunately. You can have an elementary group theory, but no more. Something is not right in the universe :D 19:56:30 though it’s well-known since long ago that human learning is pretty inefficient, of course, why do I reiterate that 20:13:44 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 20:24:49 -!- delta23 has joined. 20:48:52 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 21:19:08 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Hmmm). 21:21:58 -!- moony has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 21:25:45 -!- moony has joined. 22:00:22 -!- ubq323 has joined. 22:05:30 It's SIGBOVIK time, I guess. I see they've made the proceedings available already. 22:40:36 oh drat, I missed some of it 22:40:51 is there a schedule? 22:40:57 to see what talks I missed 22:42:23 Well, there is the report, you could still read that 22:46:33 I didn't see a schedule of talks, but there was a keynote from tom7 on the paper Lowestcase and Uppestcase letters: Advances in Derp Learning, and then regular talks for: Stone Tools as Palaeolithic Central Unit Processors, and Macro-driven metalanguage for writing Pyramid Scheme programs, in addition to this ongoing bird thing. 22:46:59 They said for fairness the keynote was selected randomly just now, so I guess they couldn't have put it in a schedule ahead of time. 22:47:18 I do like this model where the answers to the Q&A questions are prerecorded. 23:02:34 Oh no, I don't have an SSTV decoder at all. 23:10:28 fizzie: yes, and he promises a longer video version of his talk too 23:10:37 a director's cut or something 23:10:47 which I assume will be on his youtube channel after the conference 23:11:50 he also said that I got him to play shapez.io, and that took up much of his time before the conference, and I'm not sure if I should consider that a success or a failure because it means worse sigbovik talk, 23:12:37 but I recommended that game two months ago, so how was I to know he'd start playing it shortly before the conference deadline. should I have warned him that it will hook him for weeks? 23:12:49 I mean he's an adult, he can waste his time on his own 23:14:25 * nakilon has wasted last hours to deploy his first Ruby code onto Google Cloud Functions as a backend for the future chat bot 23:16:22 There were some references in the keynote video about it being ruined (or some other adjective) by the SIGBOVIK organizing committee. 23:22:15 This was nice. I don't know if all the papers and/or presentations were that great, but I'd kind of been missing the conference atmosphere. 23:25:21 ok, the conference ended, so I'll rewind and watch the talks at the start, including tom7's 23:25:33 though I think I'll want to see the full version and read the proceedings too 23:39:09 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 23:41:21 -!- delta23 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:42:55 -!- delta23 has joined. 23:44:26 -!- copumpkin has joined. 23:50:12 fizzie: full version of tom7's talk is out at https://www.twitch.tv/videos/971776826 2021-04-02: 00:16:09 b_jonas: Or at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLRdruqQfRk 00:16:24 Unless the talk is different from the video? 00:16:59 No, looks like the same thing. 00:20:06 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Hmmm). 00:28:58 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 00:29:50 -!- hendursaga has joined. 00:31:36 Heh, nice to see QSSTV managed to decode that one bit. 00:45:06 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:46:41 but I recommended that game two months ago, so how was I to know he'd start playing it shortly before the conference deadline => lol 00:51:01 I saw this game on Steam 00:51:13 I marvel at this interconnectedness 00:51:21 shachaf: yeah, I pasted the wrong thing. it's at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLRdruqQfRk 00:51:31 it looks repetitive 00:51:53 I would rather play Mindustry 00:52:25 okay good morning everyone I’ll go see some dreams 00:52:38 same 00:57:18 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:12:26 nakilon: it has two nice puzzles in it, I recommended it to Tom for the puzzles specifically 01:12:48 the two puzzles are at high levels, the earlier levels have to teach you all the tools that you can use to solve them 01:22:21 -!- ubq323 has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.3). 02:52:51 what's this about SSTV? 03:00:20 ^ 03:17:40 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:31:08 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81746&oldid=81743 * Digital Hunter * (+915) /* Example programs */ added a roman numerals program 03:33:18 kmc: The SIGBOVIK e-conference stream had a part where they had a slide up that just said "Is it possible to have images in an audio-only talk? (Please get your slow-scan television decoders ready.)" 03:34:00 Plus two more for the Q&A section. And a tune. 03:34:25 hehe 03:34:34 (Not particularly exciting images, but it's the principle of the thing.) 03:34:40 yes. 03:34:47 what timestamp is that at 03:34:55 Around 01:16:15 in the https://www.twitch.tv/videos/971776826 recording. 03:35:00 I decoded some SSTV images from HAARP once, that was neat 03:35:30 Googling around the topic, I learned they send SSTV images from the ISS sometimes. 03:35:56 [[Encapsulation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81747&oldid=74672 * Hakerh400 * (+2586) Add TIO links 03:35:58 yes 03:36:14 I've tried to receive those too, but had pretty poor results 03:36:26 and I'm not sure why, since other people have good results with even a very modest setup 03:36:45 [[Encapsulation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81748&oldid=81747 * Hakerh400 * (-2) /* Cat */ 03:37:37 [[Encapsulation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81749&oldid=81748 * Hakerh400 * (-8) /* Reverse the sequence */ 03:43:07 I'd like to actually make a contact with SSTV one day 03:44:01 I very rarely see people using it on HF 03:44:08 but I guess there are scheduled SSTV nets that I could try to join 03:44:25 I also don't have a very good HF setup although I've been working on that a little 03:54:55 the particular use of SSTV in the SIGBOVIK reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellschreiber 03:55:58 which is closer to RTTY in application, but closer to SSTV in implementation 03:56:06 and is old as hell and definitely esoteric 04:11:43 cool as hell too 04:12:18 some day im going to do things that are cool and esoteric again 05:46:28 The most recent SIGBOVIK mentions Klondike solitaire cards, and how to make the game impossible. I prefer the Algerian solitaire cards (and other games), though; not Klondike so much. 05:47:10 Do you prefer the Algerian solitaire cards? 05:50:26 I also remember once (was it SIGBOVIK?) they mentioned how to make the longest chess game. 05:55:08 how is that? 05:56:33 How is what one? 06:03:11 One rule of chess is that if neither player can checkmate the other player after any sequence of moves even if the players cooperate to do so, then no more moves are possible and the game ends in a draw. They mentioned that there, but I had also known about it earlier, as it was used in some retro chess problems. 06:03:12 [[User:Largejamie]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81750 * Largejamie * (+143) Created page with "Hello! I'm Jamie Large and I have the very creative username largejamie. Languages I've invented: * [[DFA-er]] * [[PDA-er]] * [[Airline food]]" 06:06:46 fizzie: oh! I was wondering if it was fax or modem noises, I think I didn't pay attention tot he "slow-scan television decoders" thing 06:08:22 so does the sound in the twitch stream actually carry enough information to decode that? 06:09:08 and is this another of those formats that are designed to be transmitted through an analog telephone line, like fax and modems? 06:09:40 I mean telephone line in a way that passes through the telephone exchanges 06:12:52 and does it use compression like fax, or uncompressed like analog television? 06:15:11 apparently it is uncompressed 06:15:23 b_jonas: yes, it contains enough information to decode. I did it with qsstv earlier this evening 06:16:13 I read about slowscan, but I did not write a slowscan decoder in Farbfeld Utilities yet. (Presumably, it would acept the audio stream on stdin, given the format with the command-line arguments.) 06:17:19 b_jonas: SSTV is primarily designed to be transmitted over analog radio links using the same bandwidth as a voice transmission, usually by connecting the encoding/decoding device (these days almost always a computer) to an analog radio using the same mode used for voice (FM or SSB) 06:18:40 it's uncompressed and analog in nature; like fast-scan analog TV it has discrete scanlines, but is continuous in the horizontal dimension and the luma/chroma dimensions 06:22:59 kmc: so not telephone lines. I see. 06:23:04 thanks for the info 06:23:05 noise or interfering signals in the radio channel will appear as static in the image 06:23:42 you could use SSTV over a telephone line 06:23:49 sounds like this was maybe done in the early days of SSTV 06:23:52 > The concept of SSTV was introduced by Copthorne Macdonald[1] in 1957–58.[2] He developed the first SSTV system using an electrostatic monitor and a vidicon tube. It was deemed sufficient to use 120 lines and about 120 pixels per line to transmit a black-and-white still picture within a 3 kHz telephone channel. First live tests were performed on the 11-meter ham band – which was later given to the CB 06:23:54 :1:13: error: :1:13: error: parse error on input ‘of’ 06:23:58 service in the US. In the 1970s, two forms of paper printout receivers were invented by hams. 06:23:59 sounds like it was made for decoding with old equipment, like analog television 06:25:00 yes, the idea dates back to the 60s 06:25:06 was used on old space missions 06:25:13 though in a different form from what hams use today 06:25:34 and encoded too I guess 06:26:11 the bandwidth of a SSB transmission on ham radio is pretty much the same as that of an old school analog voice call 06:26:17 although the noise level will typically be much higher 06:29:00 hams use SSTV now because a) we like old stuff and b) it fits in narrow bandwidth 06:29:44 most of the HF bands have only 50 - 500 kHz of bandwidth, which is shared among all users of that band, potentially worldwide 06:29:51 as for old technology, I'm still amazed by how between 1900 and 1910, people managed to set up working transatlantic telegraphy systems used in production both on radio and on undersea cables, all before they had cathode ray tubes or modern plastics 06:30:06 yeah it's pretty neat 06:31:05 have I mentioned yet why I looked up the history about that? 06:31:06 it's pretty fucking convenient that the earth provides a natural equivalent of bouncing signals off a satellite, in the form of the ionosphere 06:31:28 not an exact equivalent, of course; it's very complicated to do it well 06:31:35 but it's kind of amazing that you can do it at all 06:31:47 that and the Earth manages to shield us from radition 06:31:47 and even more amazing that people got it working at basically the dawn of the modern era 06:31:50 yes 06:32:00 I think these two facts are related 06:32:06 but i'm not too good at geophysics 06:32:07 probably 06:32:33 or...\ 06:32:40 what's even weirder is how little HF radio is used these days 06:32:46 it still gets a fair amount of use but like 06:32:59 maybe the ionosphere is related to the lower frequencies shielding only? I don't know 06:33:24 skywave propagation of HF is this interesting natural phenomenon that was very important for human technology for a period of less than 100 years 06:33:27 and is much less important today 06:33:32 but it still works and it's still fun to do! 06:34:04 it still blows my mind that I can set up a crappy wire antenna in my backyard and exchange text messages with someone in Russia by pumping less than 100 watts of power into that wire 06:34:10 sure, but most of the communication goes on the higher bandwidth channels, I think that's natural 06:34:40 kmc: what distance is that? I don't know how close you are to Russia 06:34:46 I'm in San Francisco 06:34:56 so even the far east part of russia is far 06:34:57 nice 06:35:06 and i've managed to message someone in/near the european part 06:35:16 yeah, modern communication satellites provide way more throughput than all of HF combined, and much more reliably 06:35:37 though at a price 06:36:04 b_jonas: why were you looking up the history of transatlantic telegraphy? 06:36:09 that too, but a lot of data is just sent on long distance cables and then transmitted on higher frequency radio near the two ends 06:36:16 yeah 06:36:38 one interesting niche of renewed interest in HF radio is high frequency (heh) stock trading 06:36:44 where latency is much more important than throughput 06:37:01 kmc: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/47171973#47171973 06:37:36 I thought they use undersea cables and computers in the middle of the Atlantic for that 06:37:55 but HF might make sense 06:38:24 signals travel much slower in cables than in free space 06:38:25 how do they get permission to use HF for that though? 06:38:49 some kind of commercial radio license from the FCC and whatever other national agencies are involved 06:38:50 kmc: even in optical cables? 06:39:08 yes 06:39:33 ok. because I'm quite sure that trading thing wouldn't fall into amateur radio permissions. 06:39:43 the refractive index of glass is about 1.5 06:40:04 1.4 to 2.2, yes 06:40:04 so light travels 1/3 slower in glass than in air 06:40:18 (air being very close to 1) 06:40:30 of course the skywave path is not direct, it bounces off the ionosphere 06:40:30 and a bit slower because it has to bounce around the cable, right? 06:40:36 but the fiber optic signal does a bunch of bouncing too 06:40:36 yes 06:40:48 and yeah, they aren't doing it on amateur HF bands 06:41:07 there are a bunch of licensed (and some unlicensed) users of HF spectrum besides hams 06:42:16 shortwave broadcasters, aviation, marine weather reports, emergency comms in the australian outback, government, NGOs, military, spies 06:42:56 time signals, ionospheric research 06:43:19 also medical, industrial, and scientific uses that have nothing to do with long distance communication 06:43:27 such as curing the glues within plywood by heating it with RF 06:44:01 there are a few ISM bands within shortwave frequencies for such uses, just as there's a 2.4 GHz band used by microwave ovens and WiFi 06:44:16 i'm told you can hear some of the big chinese plywood factories from across the pacific ocean 06:44:33 he 06:44:55 oh that reminds me another interesting use of HF: over-the-horizon radar 06:46:19 like the Russian Woodpecker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duga_radar 06:47:17 which was a massive pain in the ass to everyone as the Russians would transmit very powerful signals on whatever frequencies they felt like 06:47:39 with little to no regard for the internationally recognized users of those frequencies 06:53:14 'That leaves “turn a river in its bed” as the only element of the poem that isn't possible with technology, not only in 1911 but even today, but that one is probably a hyperbole.' <-- I don't think it's hyperbole, just an idiomatic / poetic way of describing redirecting a river through earthworks 06:54:22 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 06:55:19 perhaps 06:55:30 'And “You shall see and hear your cracking question hurled” because it's a stupid spark gap radio, because the reasonable kind of amplitude modulated radio telegraph transmissions were invented but not in general use yet in 1911.' 06:56:26 kmc: I did later find that there was an intermediate technology between spark gap and vacuum tube 06:56:27 spark gaps were replaced with continuous wave long before amplitude modulation became practical 06:56:41 probably thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexanderson_alternator ? 06:57:15 let me check, I know where I read about this 06:57:43 there's one in the world that still transmits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexanderson_Day 07:00:14 "https://www.navalgazing.net/Signalling-Part-2" says "Poulsen arc", which seems different 07:00:48 huh, interesting 07:01:14 I haven't heard about that 07:01:16 thanks for the link 07:07:37 as for new technology, I find modern power supplies impossible. it looks like you shouldn't be able to transform voltage in such tiny packages made of mostly capacitors and be more efficient than the best traditional power supplies. 07:08:33 makes me wonder what magic that I thought would be impossible we'd get ubiquitious in everyday life in the next decade 07:09:02 might be better batteries 07:09:16 it's big business so a lot of people are working on it 07:09:51 yeah 07:10:21 could be improved nuclear power generation too 07:10:54 and I mean improved compared to molten salt generators, not improved compared to the forty year old ones that we still use 07:11:49 I guess even more plastics with nice properties are pretty likely 07:13:09 something to replace rubber with something that doesn't start drying and cracking after a few years would be nice 07:13:52 it's not surprising that switch mode supplies can beat for efficiency a traditional supply of transformer + linear regulator, because a linear regulator works by requiring the unregulated input voltage to always be a bit higher than the desired regulated output, and burning off the excess as heat 07:13:55 or better packing padding material than styrofoam 07:14:18 lots of people are working on making packaging material out of mycelium 07:14:24 i think ikea started shipping some of their products that way 07:14:30 kmc: but the regulators weren't linear, they already had diodes or transistors when I was young 07:14:46 a linear regulator uses transistors 07:14:57 kmc: and also of cardboard, which seems to work well in many packaging 07:15:14 kmc: why is it called linear then? 07:15:18 in what sense is it linear? 07:15:42 it acts like a linear amplifier 07:16:10 it uses the transistor in its linear regime, where changes in the output voltage are proportional to changes in the input voltage 07:16:44 does it? I thought you can't do that to make direct current 07:16:57 it has to use nonlinearity to make direct current from alternating current 07:17:05 and make it nice and smooth 07:17:13 you're mixing up several things here 07:17:30 you can turn AC into DC with just diodes 07:17:38 yes, those are nonlinear elements 07:17:38 yes, nonlinear diodes 07:17:55 but they don't give you a regulated voltage either 07:18:10 yes, so there are additional elements, including capacitors 07:18:34 right 07:19:09 but that's still only giving you some chosen fraction of the input voltage 07:19:19 not some arbitrary fixed voltage that is independent of the input 07:19:27 that's what a voltage regulator does 07:19:48 I see 07:19:57 e.g. the 7805 regulator always outputs 5 volts no matter the input (within some range of course) 07:20:03 and it's a linear, not switch mode device 07:20:30 it wastes power equivalent to (input voltage - output voltage) * current 07:20:55 burning off the excess 07:20:58 yes 07:21:57 ok, but what makes old power supplies waste power when no power is drawn off them then? 07:22:24 hmm 07:23:29 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:24:22 well an even crappier and simpler linear regulator (shunt regulator) will do that 07:25:32 otherwise i don't know 07:25:48 but i should go to bed now 07:25:50 good night 07:27:08 mind you, wasting much less power isn't the only way the new power supplies are impossible 07:27:11 they're also smaller 07:27:24 I could expect the logic part of computers get smaller, and the memories 07:27:34 but the power supply is one that I'd have predicted needs size 07:27:45 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:28:20 that relates to the frequency used for switching 07:28:54 inductors / transformers that transmit useful amounts of power at 50/60 Hz are much larger than ones that transmit the same amount of power at dozens to hundreds of kHz 07:29:31 oh yeah, in impossible things I hope they'll invent, better superconductors would be nice too 07:29:32 with simple components you have to reduce the frequency before rectifying it 07:29:44 er, reduce the voltage 07:30:04 in a switching power supply you can rectify the mains voltage and then switch that to regulate it down to the desired voltage 07:30:14 in a sense going AC -> DC -> AC -> DC 07:30:28 it is kind of funny that this ends up being more efficient 07:30:45 ok, going to sleep for real now :) 07:30:46 ttyl 07:30:57 bye 07:34:03 oh yeah, some people predict that the new RNA vaccine technology developed for this pandemic will allow to make good vaccines for much more viral infections for which we don't have a vaccine yet 07:34:13 so if that indeed works out, that might be another one 08:06:36 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:08:42 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:09:04 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:09:33 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:25:42 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:13:53 -!- Remavas has joined. 09:16:40 -!- Remavas has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:01:15 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1). 10:01:29 -!- Melvar has joined. 10:36:12 -!- s0kx has left ("WeeChat 2.8"). 10:45:31 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:02:18 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:02:42 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 11:30:10 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * A esolang user * New user account 12:18:26 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:37:57 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:00:16 Hah! One of my former coauthors is cited in one of the SIGBOVIK papers. 13:00:58 (Specifically, citation [4] of Universal Insights with Multi-layered Embeddings.) 13:20:04 -!- Sgeo has joined. 13:25:40 -!- moony has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 13:25:59 -!- moony has joined. 13:38:57 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:49:11 fizzie what are you coauthor of? 14:14:16 Hmm, Recursed is still hard. 14:17:19 (Yes I know it's been shown to be Turing-hard) 14:30:01 -!- copumpkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:30:54 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:32:40 I've been involved in 5 or so more or less (leaning towards "more") uninteresting papers together with Jort Gemmeke (and others) around "conventional" (read: pre-DNN-revolution) noise-robust speech recognition. 14:46:57 -!- LKoen has joined. 14:51:59 why uninteresting? 14:55:38 -!- delta23 has joined. 15:10:23 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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I had idea involving such things using as a random number seed. 03:42:44 good question zzo38. Reddit posts? 03:53:59 blockchain blocks 03:55:42 there are some bitcoin lotteries which work this way, you can place bets regarding bits of the hash of the next block accepted after some specified time 03:56:23 this way you can verify that the lottery administrators are not rigging the RNG 03:56:43 and since bets are made publicly, by sending bitcoins to their address, you can also verify that everyone in the past who bet and won has been paid 03:57:32 of course at any time they could still decide to cheat everyone and pocket the money for the next round but it would be clear to everyone that they had done so, and people would stop playing their lottery 03:59:07 I think with ethereum or other smart contract coins you could do one better, make a lottery that is collectively administered by the consensus of the network, so as long as a majority of nodes interpret contracts faithfully then the people who placed winning bets will get paid, there is no central entity that can decide to stiff them 03:59:38 i think smart contracts have somewhat limited utility compared to the hype but there are some tidy and self contained things you can do with them 04:01:50 kmc: I do want random numbers that are verifiable to not have been rigged by a third party, even later. They can be useful for experiments, like when I want to prove a statistical statement that has a too large domain, so I can't measure every possibility, I have to take a sample, but I want to prove that I haven't picked my sample in a biased way to support my statement. I don't see why they'd be 04:01:56 useful for *lotteries* though. Do the kind of people who rigorously verify that the company really gets the numbers from blockchain actually buy lottery tickets? 04:02:48 there are definitely people who are interested in online gambling who are tech savvy enough to verify such things 04:02:56 perhaps not lotteries but more interesting games? 04:03:22 in the old days of numbers rackets run by the mafia they would use the last digits of the closing price of the Dow Jones Industrial Average or whatever as the RNG 04:03:30 because anyone can verify that by picking up a newspaper 04:03:49 the mob bets on the low bits of the dow and wall street bets on the high bits ;P 04:04:55 kmc: like poker? perhaps. 04:05:09 b_jonas: the idea of picking random numbers in a way that proves you have nothing up your sleeve is also used in non-interactive zero-knowledge proofs 04:05:50 kmc: yes, zero-knowledge or at least reduced knowledge is possible too 04:05:50 a traditional ZKP is an interactive protocol where you pose challenge questions and receive answers 04:06:18 if the other party is able to answer enough questions properly then you can be reasonably confident they have whatever knowledge they don't want to reveal directly 04:06:43 in a non interactive form they pose the questions to themselves, but have to prove that they picked them randomly 04:06:54 yeah 04:07:15 by the way another interesting and self contained use case for smart contracts is posting bounties for forged cryptographic certificates 04:07:16 but the non-interactive thing still applies if the proof isn't zero-knowledge 04:07:26 versus interactive 04:08:09 if I own some domain I can write a smart contract which pays out to anyone who can present a TLS certificate for that domain, that is signed by , and is not one of the legitimate certs mentioned in the contract 04:08:30 all that can be encoded in a smart contract without reference to any external judge or data source 04:08:51 so the person who is perhaps expending resources or taking risks to claim the bounty knows that they will be paid on completion 04:33:45 Can you verify bitcoin hashes if you do not have bitcoin? How often is Dow Jones average updated? Is it only on business days, or every day? Are there other things? Does bitcoin have timestamps? 04:34:24 Also, I would think that bitcoin presumably would require too many blocks to verify it properly? 04:35:33 Usually reddit posts can be verified easily by just going on the site using their api 04:35:48 I thought the problem with bitcoin was that you can influence it. not deterministically, but bias it by a small amount, in case you manage to mine the block that is referenced. 04:36:20 mind you, that's still a small enough bias that you can account for it in calculating bounds and do most things that require a random sample and a statistical proof 04:40:58 I don't know a lot about how it works, but yes I suppose that makes sense. Although, even if it is Reddit you can post your own messages too if you have an account. 04:41:32 apparently irssi and w3m use the boehm garbage collector 04:42:26 Reddit has a message stream so you simply take random messages and put them in your generator. To verify use the link. No account needed i think. You can use the byte representation of the values 04:45:15 Ideally something that does not require an internet connection would also help, I suppose. 04:46:21 Then i guess some sensor/adapter that captures a real world value would be acquired. That's what random.org has 04:48:10 Sirlin's Codex card game is designed that you do not need to do anything on your opponent's turn; you do stuff only on your own turn. With the system that I have thought of, the game rules need no modification, although some of the card effects will not work. 04:48:57 Another source of random numbers that occurs regularly is weather 04:49:01 Specifically, the ones that allow you to draw cards during your own turn won't work, and the ones that allow you to look at opponent's cards will not work; you can only draw cards during opponent's turn. 04:49:14 Yes, but the weather is predictable. 04:50:20 . o O (would we get better weather reports if predicting the *exact* temperature and rainfall was linked to a substantial monetrary prize?) 04:51:07 Just use the built in rng 04:51:11 Maybe then would they use the money to build better equipment for predicting the weather (if such a thing is possible)? 04:51:17 urandom is pretty good 04:52:39 Yes, and if you want to generate random numbers locally, for your own use, that works. 04:52:41 urandom or random.org does not solve the problem of distributed consensus about the randomly generated value 04:53:16 you have to trust that whoever is publishing the result really chose it randomly 04:53:21 But, yes, distributed consensus about the randomly generated value is what I am asking about, and urandom isn't that. 04:53:28 Still, what is the interval of Dow Jones? 04:53:41 well the closing price is published once a day, on days when the market is open 04:54:07 (which is most weekdays, although the holiday schedule is not exactly the same as US Federal holidays or whatever) 04:54:28 OK 04:54:29 https://www.nyse.com/markets/hours-calendars 04:54:42 defining prices intraday is a little trickier 04:55:03 because there are in reality many different venues in which you can trade the same set of stocks 04:55:14 and the price of the last executed trade may be different on each 04:55:39 there is some attempt to regulate the existence of a 'national market system' with a coherent idea of last trade price, but it's complicated 04:55:55 and of course, stock prices are not random, and can be predicted and manipulated to some degree 04:58:23 and it's not really distributed consensus, it's centralized consensus published by a centralized organization (NYSE) that is deemed to have little to no interest in manipulating the mafia's illegal lotteries 04:58:23 Yes, they probably can be predicted and manipulated to some degree, although I don't know what degree. (Although, there is lso some degree for the other things mentioned, too.) 04:58:33 because they have a much bigger and legal lottery to run ;) 04:58:59 Are there stars or other stuff in space that is suitable at all? 04:59:01 an issue with using the weather is that you have to trust whoever publishes the data 04:59:28 while it's hard to actually manipulate the weather, it's easy to manipulate the records of the weather 04:59:39 The positions of planets and stuff can easily be predicted, but I don't know if there is stuff that isn't 04:59:45 and you can't prove after the fact that it was really 30° instead of 29° at some location at some time 04:59:55 that's an interesting idea zzo38 05:00:18 Yes, although if it is local weather, you can at least check at the time that it is wrong. That won't help for weather in other places though 05:00:36 that depends on the precision used 05:00:51 I won't expect the temperature just outside my house to always be exactly the same to the degree as the weather station some miles away 05:01:11 O, yes, I suppose you are right about that 05:01:34 there is lots of radiation coming from space that is random in arrival time, but also very localized, so it's not suitable 05:01:46 you can use the arrival times of cosmic radiation as a good local RNG but you can't build distributed consensus from that 05:02:59 everyone will get different random numbers (which is of course desirable for a local RNG) 05:09:11 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:41:17 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:00:02 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 07:47:41 -!- dincio has joined. 08:07:26 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:09:33 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:18:55 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:36:27 -!- dincio has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.1). 10:30:57 fungot, how old were your children when you let them use an angle grinder? 10:30:57 b_jonas: called a guy who's at the job with me, so why memorize it now?) ircnomic 10:32:11 Johnny Шrcnomic 10:32:15 Johnny Ircnomic 10:34:36 `? password 10:34:38 The password of the month is grammaphobic. 10:34:47 that's last month's password. what's this month's? 10:40:06 ` date 10:40:08 ​? 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Permission denied 10:41:38 `sudo date 10:41:39 sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges? 10:42:09 `date 10:42:10 `datei 10:42:10 Sat Apr 3 10:42:10 UTC 2021 10:42:11 2021-04-03 10:42:10.992 +0000 UTC April 3 Saturday 2021-W13-6 11:05:47 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:11:02 `` grep /usr /proc/mounts 11:11:03 none /usr hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/ 0 0 11:41:43 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 12:25:00 is there a language that demands you to write not [1,2,3] but [1,2,3,] ? 12:26:08 nakilon: yes, but many of the old ones have since been fixed up to accept the latter too 12:27:25 one related interesting thing is that [7,,9] has a different meaning in perl and in javascript: in perl it's the same as [7,9]; but in javascript there's a missing slot between the 7 and the 9 in the aray 12:30:36 I would allow only the latter 12:31:11 I suppose we put comma only in between because historically we were writing word sentences before arrays 12:31:23 and there we write: cat, dog, monkey. 12:31:52 where the "." looks almost like "," and so has two roles at the same time -- pointing that it's the end and pointing that before it there is the last element 12:32:19 while in the arrays syntax the end symbol isn't "." but some bracket 12:33:18 the "1, 2, 3." array syntax would be ok too 12:34:30 or not ok 12:34:53 maybe ok if there is some autoreplace system in the IDE 12:35:33 that when I select the last element and the dot and press the "dup" shortcut it dups it replacing the "." with "," in the left copy 12:36:27 so imagine in code I have a literal like this 12:36:30 1, 12:36:31 2, 12:36:32 3. 12:36:43 I select the third line, press dup shortcut and get 12:36:45 1, 12:36:46 2, 12:36:48 3, 12:36:50 3. 13:06:42 There's at least one language (Go) that demands you write "{\n1,\n2,\n3,\n}" instead of "{\n1,\n2,\n3\n}" -- as in, it requires the comma at an end of each item if it's a comma-separated list (composite literal, function call) that's been split to multiple lines; https://play.golang.org/p/9dx0hNz5I36 is a syntax error. 13:10:22 [[2020]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81758&oldid=81718 * EnilKoder * (+17) 13:12:57 cool 13:26:51 [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/RandomNameGenerator]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81759&oldid=71495 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+783) Add another "better" Generator 13:28:22 [[SPAM/1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81760&oldid=38799 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+5) /* Syntax */ Make all spaces show 14:16:32 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 14:17:58 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:54:42 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Leothetechguy * New user account 15:55:27 -!- NotApplicable has joined. 15:56:36 -!- delta23 has joined. 16:04:40 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81761&oldid=81752 * Leothetechguy * (+323) 16:09:09 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 16:24:41 [[Deskileq]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81762 * Leothetechguy * (+311) Created page with "'''Deskileq''' (Decrement and skip next line if less than or equal to zero) is an OISC esoteric language designed to use only 1 Argument. It uses a memory address which it dec..." 16:27:09 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81763&oldid=81762 * Leothetechguy * (+73) 16:30:36 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81764&oldid=81763 * Leothetechguy * (+12) 16:31:14 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 16:36:07 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:36:39 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81765&oldid=81764 * Leothetechguy * (+14) 16:38:48 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81766&oldid=81765 * Leothetechguy * (+55) 16:40:49 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81767&oldid=81766 * Leothetechguy * (+77) 16:41:36 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81768&oldid=81767 * Leothetechguy * (+9) 16:44:51 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81769&oldid=81768 * Leothetechguy * (-99) 16:46:20 -!- oren has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:05:43 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81770&oldid=81769 * Leothetechguy * (+3) 17:05:55 what's the simpliest regex to cut possible space substrings on both sides of the string? 17:06:17 what 17:06:18 " s s s " => "s" 17:06:34 " s " => "s" 17:06:36 \s+ 17:06:38 ? 17:06:42 " s", "s " => "s" 17:07:07 I know in most BASIC dialects LTRIM$ and RTRIM$ do just that, maybe there's an equivalent to that for whatever language you 17:07:07 oh, => "s s s" -- fix for my 1st example 17:07:11 're using? 17:07:18 so you want trimming 17:07:25 yes, trim spaces 17:07:51 s/^\s*(\S*)\s*$/\1/ 17:08:05 wrong 17:08:20 you match only one word 17:08:27 you are right 17:08:43 should be .*, but that would be slow as hell possibly 17:08:53 i wouldn't use regex for that, tbh 17:09:19 or if i want to, i'd replace ^\s* and \s*$ with the empty string 17:09:48 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81771&oldid=81770 * Leothetechguy * (+29) 17:10:03 hm, two regexes will be ok for me I guess 17:10:05 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81772&oldid=81771 * Leothetechguy * (-29) 17:10:06 just wanted one 17:10:27 why would you want to do that with regexes anyways? 17:10:56 are you afraid of regexes? 17:11:00 no 17:11:09 i am lol 17:11:10 but i don't think they are the right tool for that 17:11:15 i love regexes 17:11:59 do you prefer 10 pages of nested loops instead of this? https://i.imgur.com/DilytEt.png 17:12:45 no, but that's not at all comparable 17:13:19 regexes are nice as long as you can clearly define what to match at each point 17:13:34 as soon as a naked . comes into play, it can go downhill quite quickly 17:14:30 I guess this works /\A *(.*?) *\z/ 17:15:56 https://blog.codinghorror.com/regex-performance/ 17:17:01 are you fighting windmills? 17:17:09 no 17:17:27 or ever wrote a programs that has more than 100 string matching procedures? 17:17:33 i'm just saying, that your other regexes are guaranteed to behave nicely, since none of them contains a . 17:18:17 but as soon as you have a .* in it, parsing times can go wild 17:18:30 yeah, imaginary windmills 17:18:39 how is that imaginary? 17:18:55 because there are no windmills in my 20 megabytes of text 17:18:55 it's a real problem, go try it out for yourself 17:19:11 tried it 100 times today 17:20:05 and there is really no reason to prefer the single regex for trimming both ends over one for each left and right trimming 17:20:44 there is a clear reason to prefer one over two since one will work 17:21:08 two will also work, so that's a pretty bad reason 17:21:38 okay, you aren't afraid of regex, you are afraid of logic 17:21:46 as is "my code can be shitty since my input is nice", since people train themself this way and sometimes projects tend to gain way more traction than initially thought 17:21:55 how so? 17:22:05 how is /\A *(.*?) *\z/ shitty? 17:22:14 you are again fihgting with some imaginary windmills 17:22:16 calling them shitty 17:22:20 if both work, how is "the one i chose works" a reason to prefer it? 17:22:30 one is better than two 17:22:35 how so? 17:22:53 come back when you are sober 17:22:54 ignored 17:23:07 it might be a tad faster in ruby since it cannot easily compile those into DFAs beforehand 17:23:12 i am sober 17:23:32 these windmill fighters 17:23:51 with their own imaginary shitty code they imaginge in your code 17:23:53 that has nothing to do with windmill fighting, it's a point of style and efficiency 17:23:54 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81773&oldid=81772 * Leothetechguy * (+82) 17:24:08 and imaginary coworkers on imaginary projects 17:24:32 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81774&oldid=81773 * Leothetechguy * (+8) 17:24:34 just to waste someone's time on pointless debates 17:24:40 learn to get things done 17:24:56 says the guy that needs to ask for like the most basic pcre 17:25:00 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81775&oldid=81774 * Leothetechguy * (-8) 17:25:14 i am getting things done fairly well, thank you 17:26:00 these "aaahhh! I saw a blogpost in some hype blog! now I can't sleep, I see bad dreams about slow regexes and will annoy other people with it too" 17:26:40 i read many more than that, it was just like the first google result to give you as an entry 17:26:50 also, why not just use .strip()? 17:27:00 could just say "I suck in regexes" if he does not know the answer to my question 17:27:19 you do realize i provided you with your answer, do you? 17:27:40 not thinking about multiple words in a string 17:27:41 .strip() is most likely more efficient and way more readable 17:27:47 not thinking about multiline string 17:27:59 i corrected that like seconds later 17:28:20 if your experience in a subject is this low why do you debate?... rhetorical question 17:28:20 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:28:43 my experience is far from being low, thank you 17:29:13 if your experience in ruby is so low that you aren't even aware of strip, why do you use ruby? rhetorical question 17:29:48 sigh, so much anger over what could be a healthy intellectual debate weighing the pros and cons of regexes and other approaches to stripping whitespace. 17:30:48 regex is almost always the worst option to trimming. at best, it just compiles down to a dfa that does the exact same thing that strip() will probably do, that is just loop over the string char by char and kick out spaces 17:31:40 I've got annoyed because there were no practical arguments, only some imaginary windmills with imaginary data, imaginary regexes, imaginary projects and coworkers, nothing close to the real project I'm working on 17:32:29 how is that more than "this doesn't apply to me"? which is a garbage argument to make if the better solution is shorter and more readable 17:33:00 on an unrelated note, does anybody know if GitHub Pages support "including" HTML files into other HTML files? 17:34:07 if we don't know you may ask in ##github 17:34:10 i mean, you could do iframes? 17:34:57 No like i could have a header HTML file for the top part of the site, and another one for the bottom. 17:35:26 what's wrong with iframes for that? 17:35:44 you could use iframes 17:37:32 I could try that 17:38:24 i doubt that github will do server side processing for github pages 17:39:41 there was also some another html tag but it's probably not recommended nowadays 17:40:28 yes, there are 3-ish tags for that and you _could_ use js to modify the dom, but that's most likely not worth it 17:41:17 here are some and https://stackoverflow.com/q/8702704/322020 17:41:32 but there was something different... you could split the page vertically or horizonatlly 17:42:17 -!- NotApplicable has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:43:59 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 17:44:46 found it 17:44:58 no, don't use framesets 17:45:27 framesets are deprecated for like 10 years now 17:45:46 -!- delta23 has quit (Disconnected by services). 17:45:48 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 17:49:03 I think that it is best to use neither iframes nor framesets due to the disadvantages of them, and using server-side includes instead. Any type of frames have disadvantages of losing the URL if links to a different page, and if changing the outer one instead, will fail if frames are resized or if the user specifically wants only the frame. It can also fail with some methods of downloading a document to make a local copy 17:51:52 I guess the closest NotApplicable will come to their dream is to rely on github's support of Jekyll and https://jekyllrb.com/docs/includes/ 17:51:54 with modern web, you can mitigate quite a lot of those issues 17:53:03 But NotApplicable left. 17:53:17 use memoserv! 17:53:27 Nah, we have logs for that. 17:53:44 send him a memo to check the logs 17:55:13 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81776&oldid=81775 * Leothetechguy * (+0) 18:13:55 -!- NotApplicable has joined. 18:15:04 I tried opening an HTML file in konqueror and misspelt the URI and for some reason it started spewing a ton of windows out and i couldnt stop it so i had to reboot 18:17:04 oh wow, konqueror is still a thing? 18:18:21 I dont think development is all that active anymore, but yeah 18:21:03 I guess its like a midpoint between firefox and arora; lightweight like arora but also capable like firefox 18:23:36 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81777&oldid=81776 * Leothetechguy * (+0) 18:26:30 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81778&oldid=81777 * Leothetechguy * (-9) 18:31:41 iframe doesn't seem to work for what I need... 18:32:33 [[Deskileq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81779&oldid=81778 * Leothetechguy * (-1) 18:33:05 It runs the html in a sandbox-y environment, which is what I feared it would do 18:33:34 (maybe i could try having a linker thing, and generate the HTML files locally?> 18:39:43 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81780&oldid=81709 * Leothetechguy * (+15) 18:53:13 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 19:23:05 NotApplicable: int-e suggested Jekyll while you were away. 19:23:26 NotApplicable: There's apparently some built-in support for it in GitHub Pages. No idea about the details, but https://docs.github.com/en/pages/setting-up-a-github-pages-site-with-jekyll 19:23:34 (There's an include mechanism in it.) 19:25:00 how many of you have a personal page? and how many of you have a blog? like in percents 19:25:34 I have 10% of a personal page? :-P 19:25:38 I mean I would like to know in percents but idk how we would know the number without giving personal answers 19:25:43 I didnt really want to use Jekyll because I wanted to have alot of control over my content 19:26:00 I technically have a blog but i rarely use it 19:26:09 :P 19:26:17 I haven't updated mine since late 2014, does that mean the % is exponentially decaying? 19:26:20 NotApplicable: at a glance it looked like you can get down to the html level if you want. But I haven't used it. 19:26:23 let's say if you didn't update it for 5 years then assume you don't have it 19:27:05 when I tried to have a blog ~10 years ago I could not come up with a decent style 19:27:06 NotApplicable: also if you're looking at static site generators I suppose you can also look at others and use them on your end, instead of relying on github to do that for you somewhere in their cloud 19:27:09 writing style 19:28:07 int-e: I hacked together a simple linker that does the includes on my end before I publish the stuff, I am going to see if that works 19:28:07 then all the interesting findings with big textual commentaries of mine I had were in G+ but it's gone 19:28:37 NotApplicable: cat in post-receive hooks orks fine 19:28:46 been there, done that 19:29:03 then I've bought a domain and I keep paying for it while I can't chose the blog platform to use 19:30:03 there was some guy on reddit who made a blog platform specially for coders like a year ago, I even was in Beta, but didn't come up with a content to test it 19:30:34 I guess this https://coding.blog/ 19:30:42 I just use Scratch and Forkphorus and an embed because Scratch is essentially free hosting 19:31:00 And it doesnt notify everybody when i update it 19:31:10 "AI- driven personalised" -- wtf, I don't remember it was like this 19:31:10 Not ideal, but okay 19:31:50 Only thing is i cant use profanities which isnt that big of a problem 19:32:59 I host on Google Cloud Storage (analogue of AWS S3) but it'll go down when I stop paying for GCP account (because I not only use free services) and also because of the "account inactivity" disabling thing on Google 19:33:23 Im a cheapo so i dont like paying for anything 19:33:46 GCS and S3 is basically free 19:34:13 you pay only 0.(0)1$ for uploading the static page 19:34:50 or not, I guess there is also a Free quota for uploading 19:34:53 so it's fully free 19:36:10 One of my friends on GH use something called infinity free which claims to be 100% free, no ads, and unlimited storage 19:36:10 but it sounds too good to be true IMO 19:36:18 5GB of free storage https://cloud.google.com/storage/pricing#cloud-storage-always-free 19:37:07 I mean i font really have alot of stuff on my site so i could try that 19:37:08 I doubt there is anything infinity-free with direct links to pages 19:37:26 there were two unlimited cloud file storages and one is gone already 19:37:46 I dont think infinity-free does free SSL though 19:38:21 HTTPS is free for GCS only if you access via their domain, not yours 19:39:21 for example http://www.nakilon.pro/esolang.htm vs https://storage.googleapis.com/www.nakilon.pro/esolang.htm 19:39:48 the JS on the latter is even broken, didn't check why, probably because of HTTP/HTTPS security policies 19:40:27 I could add HTTPS for my domain via Google Cloud but that would need some non-free Balancer service IIRC 19:40:54 or via the domain registration, no big difference I guess 19:44:40 I dont really care for the domain, as long as its functional, its fine for me 19:46:02 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:47:02 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Quit: leaving). 19:47:06 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:47:20 checked, the JS is broken because it fetches HTTP: fetch("http:// 19:49:06 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 19:53:43 both Russian cloud platforms are cheaper than GCP and AWS but still don't have Always Free Tier ( 19:54:38 I have a HTTP (as well as Gopher and NNTP) service on my computer, but not a "personal page" or a "blog". 19:54:46 I assume they are cheaper because they have lower number of "9" in SLA but that's not critical at all for Free Tier users 19:56:23 zzo38 was interesting to read about this thing I've discovered recently https://sdf.org/?tour/history/index 19:56:32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDF_Public_Access_Unix_System 19:56:38 Hmm, https://cloudatcost.com/ seems to have increased their prices. But I'm sure their service is as awful as ever ;) 20:01:13 -!- Bowserinator has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:05:01 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 20:07:13 is there an English idiom for https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%85 20:09:30 Not any that I can think of, really. 20:15:51 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:16:32 Which programming languages other than PostScript use marks on the stack to make lists like PostScript does? (There probably are some, but I don't know what they are) 20:25:51 zzo38: https://esolangs.org/wiki/GML sort of does, but you can't actually manipulate the mark as if it was a normal value 20:25:54 so not really 20:26:06 maybe blsq did? I don't remember 20:29:27 In Ghostscript, some of the new operators (and also the standard pdfmark operator) use a list which has not been made into its own object, for efficiency. However, I can think of another way, which does not require this, instead deferring making the array/dictionary objects; this might only be done for optimized procedures, possibly "executeonly" operator might do such optimizations (after "bind" is also used) 20:39:26 b_jonas: OK 20:42:05 [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81781&oldid=81615 * Zzo38 * (+244) 20:45:05 [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81782&oldid=81756 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Thue-Morse sequence */ 20:48:05 I have seen a complaint that when pdfmark is used that you write [ without a matching ] and they apparently didn't know why; well, if you don't like that, then you can write the word "mark" instead of "[" it means the same thing. 21:58:04 -!- sprock has joined. 22:25:25 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 22:55:12 -!- arseniiv_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 23:58:46 [[Deskileq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81783&oldid=81779 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) /* Examples */ Cats 2021-04-04: 00:12:06 -!- guest has joined. 00:12:25 -!- guest has quit (Client Quit). 01:05:11 -!- mniip has quit (Ping timeout: 615 seconds). 01:27:14 -!- oren has joined. 01:27:15 I need a nontrivial unicode string 01:28:35 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 01:28:38 like that 01:30:07 that works 01:34:08 `? haiku 01:34:11 ​🀨や⛄ 01:47:55 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 01:49:11 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:05:03 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 02:13:05 -!- NotApplicable has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:24:55 -!- ocharles has quit (*.net *.split). 02:24:55 -!- mich181189 has quit (*.net *.split). 02:24:56 -!- j-bot has quit (*.net *.split). 02:24:56 -!- dnm has quit (*.net *.split). 02:25:09 -!- ocharles has joined. 02:25:11 -!- j-bot has joined. 02:25:25 -!- mich181189 has joined. 02:25:33 -!- dnm has joined. 02:38:12 speaking of esolangs, im making my own programming language 02:38:16 its a domain specific langauge 02:56:52 OK. What programming language is it, and what is it for? 03:15:03 (I also have designed some domain specific programming languages; that is what Free Hero Mesh is.) 03:15:19 (I also had some ideas about other domain specific programming languages, such as solitaire cards, and Magic: the Gathering cards, too.) 03:17:23 Its for a video related program, i dont have a name for it yet 03:17:37 OK. 03:17:55 speaking of free hero, how is that going 03:18:32 It is probably in a state ready to be used normally now, although more testing would help, and there are also some more features which may be added later 03:21:19 If you want to test it, or try to make up your own puzzle, feature suggestions, bug reports, question (that I can add into the FAQ section), etc, then you can do so. 06:09:06 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:10:04 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 06:28:27 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:42:19 -!- Sgeo has joined. 07:46:55 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:07:52 [[Transceternal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81784&oldid=74559 * Hakerh400 * (+1635) Add TIO links 08:11:25 -!- hendursaga has joined. 08:13:02 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 08:13:57 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:19:42 [[Special:Log/move]] move * Leothetechguy * moved [[Deskileq]] to [[Deskin]]: Old name sounded bad and didn't correspond with the examples 08:20:05 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81787&oldid=81785 * Leothetechguy * (-2) 08:23:22 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81788&oldid=81787 * Leothetechguy * (-46) 08:24:05 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81789&oldid=81780 * Leothetechguy * (-2) /* D */ 08:24:18 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81790&oldid=81788 * Leothetechguy * (-1) 08:59:34 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81791&oldid=81790 * Leothetechguy * (+0) 09:34:08 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:59:33 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:02:21 -!- hendursaga has joined. 10:13:01 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81792&oldid=81791 * Leothetechguy * (-1) 10:13:37 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81793&oldid=81792 * Leothetechguy * (+0) 10:21:48 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81794&oldid=81793 * Leothetechguy * (+128) 10:23:12 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81795&oldid=81794 * Leothetechguy * (+60) 11:36:29 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81796&oldid=81795 * Leothetechguy * (+26) 11:38:30 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81797&oldid=81796 * Leothetechguy * (-5) 11:40:53 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81798&oldid=81797 * Leothetechguy * (-62) 11:41:22 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81799&oldid=81798 * Leothetechguy * (-7) 11:41:32 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81800&oldid=81799 * Leothetechguy * (-11) 11:53:22 arcsor5: is it a low-level image processing language? or a video cutting language? 11:54:51 -!- user24 has joined. 11:54:51 -!- user24 has quit (Client Quit). 12:06:15 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81801&oldid=81800 * Leothetechguy * (+54) 12:15:11 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:15:40 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 12:30:04 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81802&oldid=81801 * Leothetechguy * (-45) 12:36:41 -!- mniip has joined. 13:04:46 `` unidecode $(\? haiku) 13:04:48 ​[U+1F028 MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN] [U+3084 HIRAGANA LETTER YA] [U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW] 13:23:18 [[Forest]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81803 * Hakerh400 * (+8195) +[[Forest]] 13:23:21 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81804&oldid=81789 * Hakerh400 * (+13) +[[Forest]] 13:23:23 [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81805&oldid=81269 * Hakerh400 * (+13) +[[Forest]] 13:25:57 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:30:53 -!- hendursaga has joined. 13:52:06 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * SCKelemen * New user account 13:58:19 buying plane tickets is too risky an undertaking. You can reload a page and buy for tomorrow instead of the intended date. Meh 13:58:23 -!- arseniiv_ has changed nick to arseniiv. 14:05:09 as somebody working in aviation industry, i fully agree 14:23:12 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81806&oldid=81761 * SCKelemen * (+572) Add myself 14:23:20 [[Nomad]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81807 * SCKelemen * (+1681) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Nomad |paradigms=functional, probabilistic |author=[[Async Engineering]] |year=[[:Category:2018|2018]] |typesys=static |memsys=stack-based |refimpl=[h..." 14:29:29 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81808&oldid=81807 * SCKelemen * (+101) 14:39:06 [[Nomad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81809&oldid=81808 * SCKelemen * (+342) 14:40:08 [[Nomad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81810&oldid=81809 * SCKelemen * (+2) 14:55:06 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 14:55:07 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 15:08:39 [[Dotsy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81811&oldid=72540 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+32) Stub && Language 15:16:57 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81812&oldid=81802 * Leothetechguy * (+79) 15:18:43 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81813&oldid=81812 * Leothetechguy * (-64) 15:23:08 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81814&oldid=81813 * Leothetechguy * (-6) 15:26:35 arseniiv: and they never tell you timezones or UTC times, only localtimes 15:29:05 b_jonas: yes, that’s quite inconvenient too, though usually there is a flight time so at least you can calculate something more or less easily 15:29:37 myname: oh 15:33:27 [[DINAC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81815&oldid=79191 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+3) /* Cat program */ Make the program better 15:37:01 it will get worse if the European politicians force timezone changes on us 15:37:20 because currently I at least more or less understand European timezones 15:37:51 but if the politicians insist on causing chaos, I'll be afraid 15:42:30 [[Stu]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81816&oldid=79418 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+4) /* Truth-machine */ now 15:44:07 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:56:45 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 15:59:10 [[XENBLN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81817&oldid=78509 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Program structure */ Fxi a typo 15:59:13 -!- deltaepsilon23 has quit (Client Quit). 16:01:34 [[XENBLN/Commands]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81818&oldid=78510 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-4) April already? 16:02:24 [[XENBLN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81819&oldid=81817 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Commands */ The date is updated now. 16:07:34 [[XENBLN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81820&oldid=81819 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+5) /* Datatypes */ Fix code tag. 16:07:36 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:19:24 -!- contrapumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin. 16:35:41 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81821&oldid=81814 * Leothetechguy * (+170) 16:36:28 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81822&oldid=81821 * Leothetechguy * (-4) 16:38:51 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81823&oldid=81822 * Leothetechguy * (+2) 16:39:35 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81824&oldid=81823 * Leothetechguy * (-1) 16:42:11 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81825&oldid=81824 * Leothetechguy * (+112) 16:42:34 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81826&oldid=81825 * Leothetechguy * (+0) 16:45:28 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81827&oldid=81826 * Leothetechguy * (+32) 16:46:17 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81828&oldid=81827 * Leothetechguy * (-32) 17:08:40 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81829&oldid=81828 * Leothetechguy * (-12) 17:09:55 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81830&oldid=81829 * Leothetechguy * (+6) 17:10:49 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81831&oldid=81830 * Leothetechguy * (+3) 17:12:12 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81832&oldid=81831 * Leothetechguy * (+0) 17:21:48 b_jonas: what’s be wrought? I usually don’t read or watch any news whatsoever, partially to shield myself from political opininon machinations as much as possible, but in the result I’m not up to date even with something purely scientific 17:21:56 let alone that 17:37:54 do you guys have wall clocks? 17:38:56 at home 17:51:37 i have an analog one, but the battery died a while ago so it's stuck on 4:57:10 17:54:43 I think what's up EU-wise is some talks about potential changes to daylight savings, like stopping doing it, or keeping it permanently on. 17:55:32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_time_in_Europe#Future ends with "as of October 2020", I don't know if anything's happened since then. 18:02:17 wtf, the thing has been lingering in the council of ministers since march 2019? 18:02:44 I thought it was closer to the covid mess... so what's the excuse :-/ 18:03:46 mm bureaucracy 18:03:53 It's going to be kind of funny if NI ends up in a different time zone half the year than rest of Ireland. 18:04:48 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 18:24:17 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81833&oldid=81832 * Leothetechguy * (+40) 18:27:50 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81834&oldid=81833 * Leothetechguy * (-2) 18:28:19 I don't have a clock on the wall, but I do have clocks with batteries, so that I can know what time it is if the power is off 18:28:24 "so it's stuck on 4:57:10" -- that's a weird time to stuck on 18:29:19 (When the power is off, the timer on the stove and microwave doesn't work, so I used the alarm hand on the clock to mark the beginning of some interval, and kept track of how many minutes have passed by using that.) 18:29:37 to save the light waste globally people should fight the stupid increasing of size and power of videocards 18:29:43 (Of course, that isn't what the alarm hand is for, but it will work.) 18:30:30 gamers don't realise they are already paying a ton for that stupid piece of metal just to be able to play some very badly made game 18:31:34 I prefer the older games without that many advanced graphics; the more advanced graphics are sometimes making it difficult to see what it is anyways, compared with simpler 2D graphics 18:31:46 that graphics is rarely really advanced 18:31:59 the RTX realtime illumination is such a fake 18:32:35 Yes, although many modern computer programs are too inefficient anyways, whether it is the graphics or something else 18:32:54 it all renders wrongly, all the lights and shadows are pointing in wrong directions, and updates with very very low resolution only a few times per second so the whole point of "realtime" is just a lie 18:33:16 Then it is really badly designed, I suppose 18:37:32 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81835&oldid=81834 * Leothetechguy * (-41) 18:40:10 do you guys have wall clocks? => just a single one. I set it up when the battery dies but don’t use it as it’s too high and I don’t like analog clocks anyway. Though I glance at room temperature and humidity that same clock displays 18:40:50 temperature indicator is a cool thing 18:42:38 -!- Sgeo has joined. 18:44:01 though I don’t think temp that high in the air is useful to know. Higher than my head level 18:45:45 I have temperature on the desk. But, why is there a gap in the red part of the temperature? 18:45:59 (I also have temperature in the computer.) 18:49:42 -!- sprock has joined. 18:51:23 what gap? 18:53:34 Therei s a gap. It is red, up to the number of the temperature, but there is a gap in it, rather than being solid red. 18:57:15 aah I seem to understand 18:58:21 my clock shows an arrow for the temp but zzo38’s is probably an old liquid column one, how’s it called 18:58:34 I saw a hole in the column of several thermometers too 18:58:38 a nuisanse 18:58:51 you almost never are able to fix that :( 18:59:02 how does it even appear 18:59:19 liquid is usually a red colored alcohol but I'm still not sure what you mean, nvm though 19:00:01 may be even in mercury thermometers, though mercury is supposed to be at a very low pressure there, so no reason to not stick together 19:00:39 nakilon: there is presumably a bubble in it which doesn’t, well, bubble up and away for some reason. At least in my cases that was so 19:01:05 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81836&oldid=81835 * Leothetechguy * (+51) 19:01:17 (the reason is more or less clear, surface tension, but that doesn’t make things better) 19:03:11 like this? https://cooking.stackexchange.com/q/73870/85558 19:05:30 Yes, it is like that but the gap isn't that wide; it is a narrow gap 19:24:08 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:26:10 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:29:04 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:39:46 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81837&oldid=81836 * Leothetechguy * (+0) 19:43:13 -!- arcsor6 has joined. 19:45:47 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:46:10 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:48:10 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:49:11 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 20:01:14 [[THIS IS NOT A BRAINFUCK DERIVATIVE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81838&oldid=81696 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) /* Cat */ Cat[egory] 20:11:19 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81839&oldid=81804 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+12) /* N */ [[Nomad]] 20:12:17 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81840&oldid=81782 * Digital Hunter * (+412) /* Example programs */ added a look-and-say sequence program 20:33:26 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:35:19 -!- Sgeo has joined. 20:40:40 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81841&oldid=81837 * Leothetechguy * (-51) 20:41:11 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81842&oldid=81841 * Leothetechguy * (+9) 20:43:04 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81843&oldid=81842 * Leothetechguy * (-9) 20:45:24 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81844&oldid=81843 * Leothetechguy * (+80) 20:48:11 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81845&oldid=81844 * Leothetechguy * (-1) 21:00:30 -!- leo40 has joined. 21:01:19 -!- harha_ has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in). 21:01:37 -!- leo40 has quit (Client Quit). 21:06:42 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81846&oldid=81845 * Leothetechguy * (+9) 21:13:17 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81847&oldid=81806 * A esolang user * (+1) I restore my terrible mistake of having put my introduction before that of [[User:ColorfulGalaxy|ColorfulGalaxy]]. Im sorry. 21:13:59 -!- harha_ has joined. 21:16:19 [[User:Icecream17/Algorithm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81848 * Icecream17 * (+227) Create template "AlgorithmStep" 21:25:34 [[User:Icecream17/Algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81849&oldid=81848 * Icecream17 * (-32) Use built-in numbered list 21:28:44 [[User:Icecream17/Algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81850&oldid=81849 * Icecream17 * (+28) Use another template 21:44:03 Recently I misspelled a URL in a message on Usenet, and I did not notice until after I posted the message, so to fix it I added a symlink. 21:45:25 (I don't know who else has done a similar thing.) 21:47:09 [[User:Icecream17/Variable]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81851 * Icecream17 * (+317) Create template "Variable" 21:48:50 [[User:Icecream17/Algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81852&oldid=81850 * Icecream17 * (+1) Oops forgot 21:49:37 [[User:Icecream17/Algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81853&oldid=81852 * Icecream17 * (-40) Move ismethod to variable 21:50:59 [[User:Icecream17/Sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81854 * Icecream17 * (+29) Created page with "{{User:Icecream17/Algorithm}}" 21:52:44 [[User:Icecream17/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81855&oldid=81854 * Icecream17 * (+44) 21:53:34 [[User:Icecream17/Variable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81856&oldid=81851 * Icecream17 * (+86) 21:56:50 [[User:Icecream17/Algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81857&oldid=81853 * Icecream17 * (+1) 22:02:08 [[User:Icecream17/Algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81858&oldid=81857 * Icecream17 * (+39) param argument 22:02:52 [[User:Icecream17/Variable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81859&oldid=81856 * Icecream17 * (+1) 22:04:22 [[User:Icecream17/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81860&oldid=81855 * Icecream17 * (+422) Add algorithms 22:27:50 what was the usenet post. i haven't seen posts from you on there for some time. What newsgroups are you frequenting now? 22:28:35 rec.arts.int-fiction is the newsgroup that I posted it to; the message ID is <1617220312.bystand@zzo38computer.org> 22:29:45 I don't post a lot of messages, but sometimes I do. 22:43:57 what do you mean by "similar thing"? I guess redirecting in wiki is similar 22:45:10 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Alone * New user account 22:46:24 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_misspellings 22:50:00 heh, once here I mentioned I can't remember how to spell 'necessary' 22:50:17 it appeared to be on this list https://www.lexico.com/grammar/common-misspellings 23:02:32 [[User:Icecream17/Grammar]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81861 * Icecream17 * (+49) Created page with "{{{0|}}}" 23:03:54 [[User:Icecream17/Grammar]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81862&oldid=81861 * Icecream17 * (+0) ? 23:11:38 [[User:Icecream17/Grammar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81863&oldid=81862 * Icecream17 * (-6) 23:13:29 [[User:Icecream17/Grammar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81864&oldid=81863 * Icecream17 * (+17) 23:13:31 Yes, that is also a similar thing 23:13:48 (although, it is a bit different thing) 23:18:47 [[User:Icecream17/Grammar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81865&oldid=81864 * Icecream17 * (+4) ugh tables cant be in paragraphs 23:24:55 [[User:Icecream17/Grammar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81866&oldid=81865 * Icecream17 * (+1) adjust font size 23:25:24 -!- delta23 has joined. 23:30:34 [[User:Icecream17/Sans Serif]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81867 * Icecream17 * (+53) Created page with "{{{1|}}}" 23:32:19 [[Special:Log/move]] move * Icecream17 * moved [[User:Icecream17/Sans Serif]] to [[User:Icecream17/Sans serif]]: Oops wrong capitalization 23:41:37 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 2021-04-05: 00:09:48 [[User:Icecream17/Grammar Explanation]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81870 * Icecream17 * (+3999) took too long to make 00:28:11 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:39:09 [[User:Icecream17/Algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81871&oldid=81858 * Icecream17 * (+26) skipsteps option 00:41:49 [[User:Icecream17/Algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81872&oldid=81871 * Icecream17 * (+64) description 00:42:32 [[User:Icecream17/Algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81873&oldid=81872 * Icecream17 * (-3) formatting 00:43:33 -!- APic has joined. 00:50:05 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:44:54 -!- APic has joined. 01:49:06 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:50:17 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:54:23 -!- APic has joined. 01:55:52 -!- pikhq has joined. 02:00:46 -!- FreeFull has quit. 02:07:28 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:11:18 Will they add a "tail-only" calling convention into LLVM? 02:27:43 [[User:Icecream17/Grammar Explanation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81874&oldid=81870 * Icecream17 * (+1103) more explanation 02:37:52 (There is a tail calling convention, but not a tail only calling convention, it look like) 03:21:37 [[Semeler]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81875 * Icecream17 * (+3402) draft 03:25:19 [[User:Icecream17/Variable/doc]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81876 * Icecream17 * (+1923) documentation 03:35:26 [[User:Icecream17/documentation]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81877 * Icecream17 * (+546) create documentation template 03:36:23 [[User:Icecream17/Variable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81878&oldid=81859 * Icecream17 * (+329) add documentation 03:40:35 [[User:Icecream17/Variable/doc]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81879&oldid=81876 * Icecream17 * (+546) addd nothing 03:44:46 [[User:Icecream17/documentation/doc]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81880 * Icecream17 * (+313) documentation documentation 04:57:04 -!- arcsor6 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:51:14 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:55:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:32:47 -!- xelxebar has joined. 07:35:33 -!- xelxebar_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:06:51 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:09:09 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:10:42 [[D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81881&oldid=81466 * ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) * (+433) Added Project Euler Problem 1 code based on Fizzbuzz 09:10:20 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 09:39:29 -!- delta23 has joined. 09:45:14 "do you guys have wall clocks" => no, I hate those. my relatives have wall clocks, and they show the wrong time all the time. what's even the point of having a clock if you don't set it to the correct time? and many of them emit a loud clicking noise every second, and are analog with two or three dials that makes it hard to read. 09:46:22 on that topic, i hate people who have clocks set to the wrong time intentionally because they just aren't able to leave the house 5 minutes earlier 09:46:32 I have a cheap battery-powered digital LCD clock that's usually at my desk next to a digital thermometer, but sometimes I carry it to the kitchen to use as a kitchen timer, plus the digital LED clock built into the oven, plus my mobile phone and the desktop computer as clocks. all these I do set to the correct time. 09:46:41 no analog clocks and nothing that gives clicky noises. 09:51:10 nakilon: ^ 09:52:50 myname: my relatives don't do that, but they bought this stupid radio clock that supposedly sets itself to the correct time automatically, but then it went wrong (a dial miscalibrated itself) so now it consistently sets itself to the wrong time (you know what Douglas Adams says about things that can't break) yet they still keep it on the wall. at least that only annoys me when I am at their home, 09:53:21 unlike when they refused to throw away the electric kettle whose mechanism to stop heating when the water boils went wrong and so never turned off. 09:53:38 ew 09:54:15 plus they never set the clock in the car, so that shows the wrong time too 09:54:43 i know people that liked the idea of one clock of the discworld universe so much, they built something similar. it ticks irregularly, but still shows (roughly) the correct time 09:55:17 myname: I think that's the Dune universe, not the Discworld universe. it's for not attracting sandworms. 09:56:13 https://roryokane.github.io/vetinari-clock-simulator/ 10:01:05 I guess I should be glad the car is not one of those from a few decades ahead in the US, the ones that are controlled by a computer connected to the internet so anyone can remotely make your car misbehave 10:02:12 maybe kettle can be fixed 10:02:30 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * SCKelemen * uploaded "[[File:Records-hasse.png]]" 10:08:12 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * SCKelemen * uploaded "[[File:Types-hasse.png]]" 10:13:38 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * SCKelemen * uploaded "[[File:Record-union-hasse.png]]" 10:13:46 [[Nomad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81885&oldid=81810 * SCKelemen * (+622) 10:40:39 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:17:18 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:23:15 -!- sebbu has quit (Quit: reboot). 11:46:04 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:31:11 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81886&oldid=81885 * SCKelemen * (+60) Add appropriate categories 12:32:31 lmao 12:33:07 gave one guy a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8igrh1eyLk 12:33:36 he says "what do the say? I can't English" 12:33:46 I say "don't you remember the movie plot?" 12:33:50 "I didn't see it" 12:34:10 he really thinks it's some Jimm Carrey movie that he hasn't seen 12:42:23 -!- arcsor6 has joined. 12:48:23 [[Macron]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81887&oldid=81647 * Heavpoot * (+17) fix minor typo 12:55:44 -!- arcsor6 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:02:50 [[41943040000000000000000000000]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81888 * Heavpoot * (+190) Created page with "[[41943040000000000000000000000]] will be an [[esolang]] and will be made during 2022 indisputably. 41943040000000000000000000000 is (to be) a [[Macron|very real esolang]]. ..." 13:03:06 [[Category:2022]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81889 * Heavpoot * (+11) Created page with "{{Yearcat}}" 13:05:30 Doubling down on it, I see. 13:07:33 I don't know what (if anything) we should do about that. 13:07:55 [[User:Heavpoot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81890&oldid=81229 * Heavpoot * (+11) 13:11:17 (The so-called "fix minor typo" edit is again adding that nonsense 2026 category that was reverted three times.) 13:19:05 [[TwoFiftyFive]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81891&oldid=73252 * Heavpoot * (+32) 13:21:59 he's already in Category:Years, lol 13:26:12 -!- Sgeo has joined. 13:33:49 [[Macron]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81892&oldid=81887 * Int-e * (-17) Fix minor typo. Isn't this fun? 13:34:56 [[Macron]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81893&oldid=81892 * Heavpoot * (+17) oops, you accidentally hit "backspace" instead of "ctrl+c ctrl+v ctrl+v (select previous 2 words) ctrl+c ctrl+v ctrl+v". but don't worry, i'll fix it partially for you! 13:37:23 [[Macron]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81894&oldid=81893 * Int-e * (+0) Did you know that 2021 = 43*47? Seriously though, please stop this nonsense. 13:42:35 [[Talk:Macron]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81895&oldid=81605 * Heavpoot * (+282) 13:43:18 I'm happy that the problem has been identified so clearly. 13:44:00 > 20^22 13:44:03 41943040000000000000000000000 13:44:41 I guess that explains that name, at least. 13:45:37 that's the only explain thing I see here so far 13:45:40 *explained 13:47:34 [[Macron]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81896&oldid=81894 * Heavpoot * (+0) fine. updated to reflect actual date of creation. "2021" is not substantially substantiated by substantial evidence. 13:48:53 [[Talk:Macron]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81897&oldid=81895 * Fizzie * (+475) /* 2026 denial propaganda */ ... 13:51:10 [[Talk:Macron]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81898&oldid=81897 * Heavpoot * (+16) 13:51:21 Oh, 2007 now? 13:52:18 [[Suptiftam]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81899 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+7075) Create page 13:53:06 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81900&oldid=81839 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+16) /* S */ +[[Suptiftam]] 13:54:17 Program structure 13:54:17 A Grasp program consists of a set of nodes. 13:54:19 (Though I guess I don't mind it joining the 2007 crowd. It's far less obstrusive than making a language appear in its own bogus category.) 13:54:29 lol, I read as "consists of a set of nudes." 13:57:22 [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81901&oldid=81235 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) /* Languages */ +[[Suptiftam]] 13:59:57 [[User talk:Heavpoot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81902&oldid=81555 * Heavpoot * (+5552) [[User:Truttle1|Truttle1]] ([[User talk:Truttle1|talk]]) 14:00:38 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:02:18 -!- APic has joined. 14:04:11 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 14:07:22 Ah, "obtrusive"... I finally realized why that word looked so wrong. 14:08:24 I mixed in a bit of "obstructive", maybe I can pretent it was a portmanteau... 14:08:41 But given the number of other typos I'm making these days... 14:09:49 I believe is there was a " TwilightSparkle" user it's Heavypot 14:10:05 *if there 14:10:26 see Sept 7 2020 message here https://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:SunnyMoon 14:11:21 and the " 09:54, 21 July 2020 (UTC)" on the Introduce yourself 14:18:49 [[User talk:Heavpoot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81903&oldid=81902 * Heavpoot * (-28169) __NOTOC__ __NOEDITSECTION__

Welcome to '''Esolang''', the [[esoteric 14:23:05 IDGI 14:27:57 [[User:Heavpoot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81904&oldid=81890 * Heavpoot * (+197) 14:32:04 [[Talk:Zirconium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81905&oldid=81706 * RocketRace * (+166) 14:34:55 [[Zirconium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81906&oldid=77797 * RocketRace * (-62) Fix the incorrect 0@0 code pattern 14:37:53 -!- NotApplicable has joined. 14:42:47 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81907&oldid=81847 * RocketRace * (-66) remove deadname 14:44:07 [[Suptiftam]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81908&oldid=81899 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+14) /* Cat program */ Fix 14:49:30 -!- NotApplicable has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:49:52 -!- NotApplicable has joined. 15:21:48 [[Excela]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81909&oldid=61935 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+85) /* External resources */ Add link 15:45:45 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:53:18 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:05:43 nakilon: we live in the 21st century among cheap consumer goods. it's cheaper to buy a new kettle than to try to fix a security bug in one. but sure, if my father intended to fix it, that would have been fine. but they didn't. 16:12:55 that's the consumerism lvl 80 16:13:32 moving some metal thing that got shifted inside the kettle because of some vibration does not cost more than buy a new one 16:15:03 multibillionairs are just allowing you to temporary posess some extra money to spend them so irrationally to make an illusion that they made the money in a rational and fair way 16:15:03 nakilon: metal? only the heating element is metal. most of it is plastic. 16:15:17 oh, you mean the tiny electronics thing? 16:15:24 yes, that might be metal, but just barely 16:16:00 and yes, it's consumerism. if you want tea cheaply, go and keep cleaning your municipal gas oven. 16:16:15 there is some stuff in there with different temperature expansion coefficients that when it gets hot the metal contact is making a contact 16:16:55 that's the way these cheap electric kettles usually die. mine lasted for five years. it's a bit sad, I wish they died the opposite way, with the heat sensor shutting it down instead of keeping it on, but it's the second one that did this so it looks likea trend. 16:17:03 consumerism is an illness 16:17:32 I saw on youtube how some american sold his lawn mower just because it ran out of fuel 16:17:43 different temperature expansion coefficients? possible, but I think they only do that in gas heaters that must work safely without electricity. I think the electronic ones just use a resistive temperature element and a relay 16:17:57 dude bought it for $20 or something, filled it with a fuel and sold for $100 16:18:26 oh come on, if you want to find extreme examples of stupidity, you can always look on the internet. that doesn't mean that the typical person is that stupid 16:18:38 because consumerism made that guy so stupid he can't refule his lawn mower and assumes "it's broken, meh, I'll buy a new one" 16:19:10 but I'm not an electrician, I'm not going to repair an unsafe high voltage appliance and possibly shock myself or make it even more unsafe, when it's a just cheap kettle that served for five years. 16:19:12 idk 16:19:34 I'm not saying every person should fix thing himself 16:20:01 my father might be qualified, but I don't think even he would want to touch these, because these aren't consumer-repairable, the plastic can't be safely opened and closed. 16:20:07 I would give it my friend electrician and he would fix it for a cup of tea 16:20:38 it must have a screw 16:21:16 I do exactly one sort of self-repair on these: clean the hard water chalk from it, from the main body with citric acid (vinegar works too but I dislike it), and from the filter by mechanical means 16:21:22 my plastic electric teapot has 10 screw on the bottom, just checked 16:21:54 aren't those screws for replacing the cable to the mains electricity? 16:22:00 that might be something you can do at home 16:22:19 or can you fix the temperature shutdown with those too? 16:22:24 I make tea out of Bonaqua water that is the only here available that's isn't hard enough so the chalk^W salt does not appear in it at all 16:23:04 I did have the broken thermal element fixed in the gas convector heater, because that one costs much more than an electric kettle and would be much more of a hassle to replace, while repairing it isn't too bad 16:23:29 the only thing that can't be disassempled are stupid apple devices, lol 16:23:47 of course, everything can be disassembled. the hard part is assembling it afterwards. 16:23:59 true 16:24:21 and in this case it's a high voltage appliance that you use in the kitchen with water, so you have to be careful, you can cause more damage if you assemble it wrong 16:25:09 (the gas heater is even worse, that one I'm officially not even allowed to touch unless I'm formally qualified; for the kettle you only have to be practically qualified) 16:25:53 there should be qualifications to touch the code 16:27:03 what "code"? 16:27:04 software? 16:27:35 yep, legal prohibition of your employees to touch specific parts of it 16:28:04 no, anyone can touch software, the dayjob company just might not accept contributions from anyone, or not give the sourcecode to anyone, but it requires no formal qualification, just normal judgement of who we employ and how much we trust our employees 16:28:39 by touching I mean applying the edits 16:28:45 formal qualification is required for doctors, lawyers, and gas repairmen. that's about it. 16:29:06 nakilon: yes, anyone can do that to their own computer. even if they do stupid things like add security bugs. and I will stand up for their rights to do that. 16:29:11 that doesn't mean I'll run their code. 16:29:32 or use electric kettles that they have repaired 16:29:39 for example, a HTTL/CSS guy touched PHP server configs and has exposed the access tokens of thousands of users to everyone -- he should pay for this 16:31:33 it's the same if he went to the office kitchen and got into the teapot and made it risky to use since then 16:31:36 no, we employers are protected about this, the employer usually can't punish us for mere incompetence, and can't make us pay damages for them. they also need not allow us to modify code on their servers of course. 16:32:02 that's a myth 16:33:03 we also wouldn't allow most employees to repair the electric kettle 16:33:09 an average HTML/CSS is always a friend of CTO and/or CEO and so is allowed to touch any piece of code and launch any programs 16:33:29 yeah yeah they say the same 16:33:30 nakilon: no, because our CEOs aren't *stupid* 16:33:41 they say this too 16:33:57 no, I know the CEOs in person. this is a small company 16:34:05 this is why laws were invented thousands of years ago 16:34:12 because the "we aren't stupid" is a lie 16:35:29 IT is just mature enough for people to realise they should make laws that if you touch the code you don't have to touch you must pay and not blame someone in that he allowed you to do it -- that's a separate fault 16:35:37 *isn't mature 16:36:37 ok, I'll stop because this won't be a productive conversation 16:39:01 I worked in companies of sizes 8, 12, 20, 100, 2000, 5000, 30000 -- adequate CEOs were only in 100 and 5000, adequate CTOs only in 20 and 5000 16:39:05 it's just a business 16:39:50 don't believe in myths, the software industry is crap, it has no regulations and no mandatory qualification checks 16:55:47 finally a 90s radio with the rest of the music I vaguely remember from the dark days my consciousness was forming. You wouldn’t believe how hard a coupon collector’s problem it is to tie all the ends, though all of them is not a priority — simply just when I hear something I think I heard earlier I’m a little happier and a little more surprised: “still haven’t been found earlier?!” Though there are real mysteries out there 16:55:48 which are probably from 00s, like some Japanese-sounding thing with weird harmony, but slow (so probably no J-pop? 120bpm but slow in the way melodic phrases were built) and I hadn’t presence of mind to record that excerpt. A car driven away from my window, forever. *That one* is real rosebud, and probably I won’t hear that song again ever 16:56:11 -!- NotApplicable has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:56:24 -!- NotApplicable2 has joined. 16:57:12 -!- NotApplicable2 has changed nick to NotApplicable. 16:57:14 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 16:57:15 -!- sprock has joined. 17:13:11 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:38:55 {?} Instant ;; Target permanent gains protection from everything until end of turn. ;; Cycling {2} 17:39:26 Shadowmonger {3B} Creature - Shade Monger (2/3) ;; {2}: Target creature gains shadow until end of turn. Any player can use this ability. 17:42:37 is this helloworld? 17:47:35 These are Magic: the Gathering 17:49:11 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 17:50:03 oh I thought it's ur esoteric lang 17:56:55 -!- rodgort has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:08:07 -!- rodgort has joined. 18:28:20 arseniiv 21:27:22 -NickServ- EMAILMEMOS Forwards incoming memos to your e-mail address. 18:28:36 nickserv can email you memos 18:28:39 TIL 18:29:12 nakilon: interesting :) 18:29:51 (though I rarely check mail so that would be currently of little use to me) 18:36:03 email isn't supposed to be read insteneously 18:36:07 *a 18:36:19 oh that's a hard word 18:39:53 I have a message indicator in the system status line, so that if I am at the computer, I can see if there is a email message waiting. 19:00:10 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 19:01:13 -!- NotApplicable has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:01:43 -!- NotApplicable has joined. 19:32:14 I opened all the service that I "have to check sometimes" as pinned tabs in one window and try to teach myself to browser them only in order from right to left so it's like a priority, like "you better check email than skype" 19:32:26 not sure if it works for me though but I'm trying 19:40:31 -!- LKoen_ has joined. 19:41:25 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Quit: leaving). 19:43:07 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:46:26 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:47:46 [[GORBITSA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81910&oldid=78312 * ZippyMagician * (+35) Add OM and ONN to nonstandard list 19:48:43 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:49:31 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 20:07:42 [[Length]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81911&oldid=81318 * Nailuj29 * (+445) 4 new instructions 20:22:47 [[Suptiftam]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81912&oldid=81908 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+12) /* Variable declaration */ Wording 20:33:59 [[2020]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81913&oldid=81758 * EnilKoder * (+19) added Primer Post Braces to the comment 20:35:49 `ftoc 500 20:35:51 500.00°F = 260.00°C 21:04:19 -!- LKoen_ has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 21:48:38 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 22:14:47 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:15:45 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 22:30:44 > take 80 ("b" ++ cycle "an") 22:30:46 "bananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananan... 22:31:42 List price: $NaN.aN 22:34:38 My idea about playing a card game with separate decks by computer with a trusted third party who does not know anything about the game, but provides data at regular or nearly regular intervals, which is unpredictable before it occurs. It has many requirements about the game being played, which means that many games are not suitable. It otherwise works with hashes and block chain (which need not be known by anyone other than the players) 22:59:40 hehe 23:06:47 I faintly remember stock prices being used for a purpose like that for a game. Oh, wait, I'm just thinking about xkcd's geohashing. 23:08:52 does this channel have a bot more trusted than HackEso who can give us random numbers by the way? 23:09:20 I don't know. Does fungot have such a command? 23:09:39 jevalbot can give random numbers\ 23:09:45 but I wouldn't trust him 23:10:04 Does lambdabot have such a command? 23:10:04 and it uses a cryptograhpically non-secure random generator too 23:10:12 lambdabot... probably? 23:10:15 @plugins 23:10:16 Unknown command, try @list 23:10:17 @list 23:10:18 What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. 23:10:24 @listmodules 23:10:24 activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search 23:10:24 seen slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where 23:10:29 @help dice 23:10:30 @dice . Throw random dice. is of the form 3d6+2. 23:10:33 @dice d4 23:10:33 b_jonas: 3 23:10:37 @dice 10d6 23:10:37 b_jonas: 35 23:10:52 @dice d-4 23:10:53 unexpected "-": expecting number 23:10:55 @dice d0 23:10:56 unexpected end of input: expecting digit 23:12:05 ^help 23:12:05 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 23:14:08 I suppose it doesn't have such thing as drop lowest and drop highest and cards etc 23:14:37 @list dice 23:14:38 dice provides: dice roll 23:14:44 @roll d100 23:14:44 b_jonas: 41 23:14:59 Do you know what random number generation is used? 23:15:03 I don't know 23:15:06 @source 23:15:07 Unknown command, try @list 23:15:09 hmm 23:36:59 You can get one random bit out of fungot. 23:36:59 fizzie: seems so. 23:37:02 ^bool 23:37:02 Yes. 23:37:09 Well, one bit at a time, that is. 23:39:55 That's from cfunge's implementation of the Befunge '?' instruction, which I'm not 100% sure where it's from. Looks like it's either from the srandom/random pair of functions, or arc4random where available. 23:48:49 -!- FreeFull has quit. 2021-04-06: 00:36:11 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:52:12 -!- NotApplicable has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:27:41 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:30:54 [[User talk:Heavpoot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81914&oldid=81903 * Truttle1 * (+383) 02:41:46 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:56:41 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 03:10:45 -!- ReddyAlice has joined. 03:12:57 hi 03:13:24 -!- ReddyAlice has quit (Client Quit). 05:00:23 Do you like goto sigil and gosub sigil? 05:28:49 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 05:40:11 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:02:46 [[PDA-er]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81915&oldid=81692 * Largejamie * (+4620) 06:05:51 [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81916&oldid=81702 * Largejamie * (+302) 06:58:28 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:07:00 -!- hendursaga has joined. 08:09:57 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:27:58 [[Macron]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81917&oldid=81896 * CatIsFluffy * (+34) Let's compromise 08:31:12 [[Caballo]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81918&oldid=80335 * CatIsFluffy * (+0) /* Conditional */ 08:33:06 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:54:28 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:52:53 -!- clog has joined. 11:06:11 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: No route to host). 11:06:47 -!- tromp has joined. 12:13:10 -!- drunken_lizard has joined. 12:24:02 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:34:11 -!- Grego has joined. 12:34:19 wiki wiki 12:34:21 ajam 12:34:23 wiki wiki 12:34:24 haciendo 12:51:16 -!- mmmattyx has joined. 12:51:35 -!- dionys has joined. 12:59:21 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 13:30:01 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 15:36:36 Trajedy is 4 years (and a month and a few days) old. 15:48:12 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:12:46 -!- drunken_lizard has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:39:24 [[/ggu/]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81919&oldid=78996 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Commands */ s/rn/nr/g 17:11:51 [[User:Mario]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81920&oldid=81150 * Mario * (+46) 17:16:56 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81921&oldid=81900 * Mario * (+15) added self%ify 17:18:46 [[Third Party Contractor Accused Of A Robbery]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81922&oldid=81221 * Mario * (+3) 17:22:52 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81923&oldid=81921 * Mario * (+50) added third party contractor accused of a robbery 17:25:33 [[Self%ify]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81924&oldid=81139 * Mario * (+86) 17:43:53 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * AarMil42 * New user account 17:51:43 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81925&oldid=81907 * AarMil42 * (+395) Introduced myself 17:55:19 Do any version control systems have a partial clone function? The format of fossil should support this, although I think the implementation does not, and the existing implementation might get confused if you have a partial clone. 18:03:57 What sort of partial clone? 18:04:14 To clone just one version or a few versions rather than all versions of the code. 18:08:47 Ah. git has something called a "shallow clone" which might do some of what you want. 18:09:01 I think some hg people do fancier things than that. 18:09:11 What fancier things? 18:26:34 zzo38 how many esolangs have you made? 18:26:41 I don't know. 18:26:58 im assuming more than 1 then? 18:27:04 Yes. 18:46:35 zzo38: svn has something like that, but not quite 18:46:50 zzo38: you can make partial read-only mirrors of a repository 18:47:11 but you can't really have two repositories such that you can write to either one 18:48:05 git can't make partial clones, and I believe this is just a client limitation, the server that you clone from can send you just selected objects 18:48:22 it's not an easy one to solve though 19:10:31 Depends on what you mean by "partial". 19:10:41 It can definitely do shallow clones, as shachaf mentioned. 19:10:54 And that's a reasonable reading of "just one version or a few versions". 19:13:35 Mercurial's (optional but bundled?) "narrow" extension can slice in the other direction, too; i.e., only check out specific directories. 19:14:44 For shallow clones on git, see the --depth, --shallow-since and --shallow-exclude flags. 19:18:06 (IIRC, both Chromium and AOSP support doing a no-history clone as a more or less standard practice, through their dedicated wrappers ('repo', 'fetch'), presumably because they're so ridiculously large.) 19:19:06 With fossil it would also be possible to ask the server for only some artifacts, although you would have to know the hash of the manifest that you want; the hashes of the files can then be found after downloading the manifest. However, the implementation does not have this capability, and it might also get confused if the previous version if not available (and propagating tags may be lost). 19:20:56 If you don't care about the repository but only want to download a specific version, the same method can be used. 19:25:59 Fossil has the ability for the server to create a ZIP archive or tape archive so that you can download it, but it is sometimes disabled due to system load, and alternative implementations might not have this function. 19:27:39 [[Deskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81926&oldid=81846 * Leothetechguy * (-50) 19:30:06 The manifest will always mention all of the files though, even if you do not download some of them (in which case you cannot verify that the R card is correct). 19:48:22 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:49:19 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:49:48 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 19:57:01 [[Third Party Contractor Accused Of A Robbery]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81927&oldid=81922 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+29) Turning tarpits 20:04:18 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 20:12:33 [[WALP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81928&oldid=67500 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+17) /* Programming in WALP */ Fix explanation after ~1 year 20:48:04 -!- delta23 has joined. 21:58:44 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 22:00:07 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:00:32 -!- hendursaga has joined. 23:12:53 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:23:46 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:25:42 [[Airline food]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81929 * Largejamie * (+4496) Created page with "'''Airline food''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Largejamie]] in April 2021 whose programs are supposed to look like Jerry Seinfeld's stand-up. ==..." 23:28:03 [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81930&oldid=81916 * Largejamie * (+1186) 23:30:11 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81931&oldid=81703 * Largejamie * (+380) /* AF */ 23:30:33 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81932&oldid=81931 * Largejamie * (-1) /* Airline Food] */ 23:30:53 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81933&oldid=81932 * Largejamie * (+0) /* Airline Food */ 23:56:09 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81934&oldid=81923 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+19) /* A */ [[Airline food]] 2021-04-07: 00:40:45 -!- mmmattyx has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 00:51:43 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:21:41 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Timwi * uploaded "[[File:Efghij CHUNKY function.jpg]]": Uploading on behalf of [[User:BakersDozenBagels]] 01:21:58 [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81936&oldid=80132 * Timwi * (+9) /* Example: CHUNKY (integer division function) */ 01:22:15 [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81937&oldid=81936 * Timwi * (+2) /* Example: CHUNKY (integer division function) */ 01:36:05 [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81938&oldid=81937 * BakersDozenBagels * (-3) Fixed CHUNKY backronym. 02:04:26 fizzie: I usually want to be able to clone just some of the files. ideally some revisions of some files. 02:04:55 fizzie: oh, Mercurial can do partial clones? including pushing back to another repository from a partial clone? 02:13:35 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:15:20 -!- shachaf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:18:30 -!- delta23 has joined. 02:20:17 -!- shachaf has joined. 02:36:57 The format of fossil would also support this, although the implementation doesn't. However, if you want to commit unchanged files that you don't have, then you will not be able to calculate the R card; that is not a problem though, since the R card is optional. 03:32:03 -!- LKoen has joined. 04:51:40 -!- LoganDark has joined. 04:52:26 ugh I am dying right now I am trying to find the name of a language that looks like this "({}{}{})({({}{})}){}" or something, I swear it was called like clusterfuck or cloisterfuck or something but I CAN'T FIND IT and it's driving me absolutely insane 04:54:58 does anyone know what it's called? 04:59:00 it uses parenthesis and curly braces only, and all of them must be matching 05:26:10 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:06:50 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:31:46 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 07:11:22 -!- LKoen has joined. 07:30:59 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 07:38:58 I remember seeing such a thing I think, but I also don't know what it is called 08:00:44 -!- drunken_lizard has joined. 08:07:08 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:09:33 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:26:43 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:51:00 -!- ^[ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:51:32 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:53:03 -!- ^[ has joined. 08:53:20 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 08:55:02 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:16:54 -!- arseniiv has joined. 09:32:58 -!- delta23 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:34:06 -!- delta23 has joined. 09:40:36 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:50:08 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:53:12 b_jonas: With an extension (hgext.narrow), yes. Also, I don't know how sort of stable/maintained it is, can't seem to find much by the way of documentation. But at least the code is still there: https://www.mercurial-scm.org/repo/hg/file/tip/hgext/narrow 10:02:33 -!- LoganDark has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 10:05:09 -!- LKoen has joined. 10:18:38 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:35:25 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * KatzenTatzenTanz * New user account 11:04:43 -!- SignX has joined. 11:48:40 -!- SignX has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 12:31:03 [[W-INTERCAL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81939&oldid=49138 * CMinusMinus * (+396) Added link for INTERCAL and fixed source code 12:46:58 [[User:CMinusMinus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81940&oldid=77817 * CMinusMinus * (-105) 12:48:10 [[User:CMinusMinus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81941&oldid=81940 * CMinusMinus * (+18) 12:49:24 -!- LKoen has joined. 12:52:20 [[Kill]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81942&oldid=73688 * CMinusMinus * (-75) 12:57:14 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 13:20:52 fizzie: thanks 13:51:55 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81943&oldid=81886 * SCKelemen * (+24) complete fragment 13:57:25 -!- mmmattyx has joined. 14:00:54 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:44:18 -!- LKoen has joined. 14:48:21 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:54:20 [[Talk:ND]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81944&oldid=61899 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+289) /* 3D */ Add an idea 14:57:18 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81945&oldid=81943 * SCKelemen * (+10) fix format 14:57:41 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81946&oldid=81945 * SCKelemen * (-13) /* Pipelines */ 15:01:10 -!- sprock has joined. 15:07:49 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81947&oldid=81946 * SCKelemen * (+53) 15:35:47 [[Nomad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81948&oldid=81947 * SCKelemen * (+24) 15:50:08 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 16:10:05 [[Talk:RUBE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81949&oldid=33698 * Odog8 * (+190) asking question in talk 16:21:34 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:44:49 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:43:23 -!- FreeFull has quit. 17:50:04 -!- FreeFull has joined. 19:48:34 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:50:23 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:51:38 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 20:20:08 -!- LoganDark has joined. 20:34:05 Can the speed of hashcash be improved by saving some of the intermediate results from the middle of the hashing calculation? Are there ways to skip some possibilities thatare unlikely to work, after a partial calculation? You will only have to calculate the first few bits of the hash, so maybe this can also improve the speed? 20:35:44 -!- LoganDark has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 20:39:25 hashcat? No, I don't think so... there are some tricks to save computations at the beginning and at the end of the hash computation if most of the hashed block's content remains unchanged. 20:39:57 It depends on the hash... I've seen it for md5. 20:41:09 is this why bitcoin uses double hashing? 20:43:51 kmc: no, I think that's the same as for HMACs, because those old hashes have a vulnerability involving two strings one of which is a suffix of the other 20:44:09 [[User:FizzyApple12]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81950&oldid=58944 * FizzyApple12 * (-48) Made it more accurate and updated links 20:45:46 [[User:FizzyApple12]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81951&oldid=81950 * FizzyApple12 * (-17) more updates 20:50:24 [[Macron]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81952&oldid=81917 * Int-e * (+0) categories. sigh. 20:55:04 Hashcash does keep most of the contents of the same, I think. 21:02:53 -!- delta23 has joined. 21:11:38 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1). 21:20:18 -!- Melvar has joined. 21:20:28 Fossil appends the MD5 hash to the end of the deck before computing the SHA-1 hash. In this case it is only used to verify that it is valid, but is it useful for any security purposes? 21:36:43 [[User:FizzyApple12]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81953&oldid=81951 * FizzyApple12 * (-121) replaced with moderator note 21:37:52 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 21:41:48 zzo38: that might be for backwards compatibility to old versions of fossil perhaps 21:42:08 No, it isn't. 22:59:50 -!- drunken__ has joined. 23:01:58 -!- drunken_lizard has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:08:25 -!- FreeFull has quit. 23:36:01 [[Among Us]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81954 * Zero player rodent * (+2808) Created page with "'''Among Us''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Zero player rodent]]. It is based on the popular game known as Among Us. The programs consist of colou..." 23:39:29 [[Among Us]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81955&oldid=81954 * Zero player rodent * (-23) 23:39:57 [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81956&oldid=81291 * Zero player rodent * (+48) 23:42:01 -!- sprock has quit (Quit: ...). 23:47:11 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 23:49:11 [[User:Zero player rodent]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81957&oldid=81170 * Zero player rodent * (+64) 2021-04-08: 00:05:10 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 00:12:19 [[Semeler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81958&oldid=81875 * Icecream17 * (+2388) sigh 00:16:17 -!- oerjan has joined. 01:00:22 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:08:57 -!- budonyc has joined. 01:32:19 -!- budonyc has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:07:10 -!- mmmattyx has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 03:07:18 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 03:55:47 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:05:02 -!- Sgeo has joined. 04:38:26 -!- lyncid[m] has joined. 04:42:09 LoganDark: (maybe you read logs) I believe that language could be brain-flak? 04:42:59 oh wait yours contains only parens and curly braces, so probably not. i believe there was a more minimal version of brain-flak called mini-flak, but i think that still had 3 types of braces 04:44:11 -!- spruit11 has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 04:51:47 -!- spruit11 has joined. 04:58:47 I wrote a part of the document describing my ideas for a card game with separate decks using cryptography. It is: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/separate_deck_crypto This document is incomplete; I will write more another day. (Maybe you can guess some of the rest of it, but maybe not. Maybe you also have ideas for improvement, too.) 05:05:56 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:17:13 I also have a idea of a tarot game where the trumps score according to the letters in the roman numbers, where "I" is worth +1, "X" is worth -2, and "V" is worth nothing. (There can be other things that give you points too, e.g. the last trick might give you some bonus points, nontrumps might affect scoring, and there may also be bidding similar to bridge but you don't specify the trump suit (in tarot, there are permanent trumps).) 05:22:37 -!- Sgeo has joined. 07:55:21 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 07:57:30 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:59:55 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:06:46 -!- hendursaga has joined. 08:09:09 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:53:08 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:13:42 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81959&oldid=81948 * SCKelemen * (-72) /* Hello World */ 09:15:30 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81960&oldid=81959 * SCKelemen * (+0) 09:16:03 [[Nomad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81961&oldid=81960 * SCKelemen * (-41) /* Records */ 09:16:29 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81962&oldid=81961 * SCKelemen * (-2) /* Unions and Intersections */ 09:17:38 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81963&oldid=81962 * SCKelemen * (-5) /* Etymology */ 09:27:45 [[Nomad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81964&oldid=81963 * SCKelemen * (+852) /* Type System */ 09:45:09 [[Nomad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81965&oldid=81964 * SCKelemen * (+318) /* Features */ 09:54:22 [[Nomad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81966&oldid=81965 * SCKelemen * (+26) 10:09:02 [[Nomad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81967&oldid=81966 * SCKelemen * (+490) 10:34:04 [[Nomad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81968&oldid=81967 * SCKelemen * (+183) 10:35:29 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81969&oldid=81968 * SCKelemen * (-6) /* History */ 10:36:19 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81970&oldid=81969 * SCKelemen * (+1) /* Pattern Matching */ 10:37:02 [[Nomad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81971&oldid=81970 * SCKelemen * (-4) /* Pattern Matching */ 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guy who's a fan of esolangs. ...Oh, and I made [[Grok]]." 15:17:57 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:18:46 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 15:19:52 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:20:13 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 15:20:50 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:34:34 -!- Discordian[m] has quit (Quit: authenticating). 15:34:43 -!- Discordian[m] has joined. 15:42:03 (the relevant stuff is in the 15 minutes, the rest is more about the schizophrenia)) 15:42:11 *the first 15 15:46:07 [[Grok]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81993 * AarMil42 * (+1479) Created page with "Grok is a two-dimensional, [[Push-down_automaton|stack-based]] language inspired by Befunge, ><>, and the Vim editor. It was invented by [[User:AarMil42]] in 2021. ==Concepts..." 15:48:50 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:50:37 Neuroses are red, 15:50:38 Melancholia's blue. 15:50:38 I'm schizophrenic, 15:50:38 What are you? 16:26:39 -!- drunken__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:01:09 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:32:33 -!- mmmattyx has joined. 18:01:19 [[Grok]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81994&oldid=81993 * AarMil42 * (+8760) Finished the Grok Page 18:18:40 -!- arseniiv has joined. 18:19:33 at least one of dynamically assigned IPs of my ISP is banned on Freenode :-\ 18:32:36 [[O]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81995&oldid=46906 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-2) /* The sum of the cubes of a list from 1 to n */ Fix word () 18:32:46 -!- eliogalindo92 has joined. 18:35:39 -!- eliogalindo92 has left. 18:36:15 -!- hendursaga has joined. 18:53:52 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 18:57:11 -!- arcsor6 has joined. 18:59:44 -!- arcsor7 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 19:09:03 -!- les-citrons has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:09:50 -!- les-citrons has joined. 19:21:27 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81996&oldid=81934 * AarMil42 * (+11) Added Grok 19:48:44 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:50:43 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 19:50:43 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 20:01:11 -!- les-citrons has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:19:54 [[User:Hakerh400/Unordered set in Haskell]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81997 * Hakerh400 * (+30461) Unordered set in Haskell 20:19:58 [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81998&oldid=81805 * Hakerh400 * (+71) Unordered set in Haskell 20:23:14 -!- arcsor7 has joined. 20:26:52 -!- arcsor6 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:26:52 -!- j-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 20:26:53 -!- harha_ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 20:27:05 -!- harha_ has joined. 20:27:08 -!- j-bot has joined. 20:27:18 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:30:03 -!- delta23 has joined. 20:37:57 hmm, this seems vaguely of the style of one of those languages that ais523 was working on https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5402 20:43:28 (see comments for how to extend the model to be more useful) 20:50:33 -!- adu_ has joined. 20:54:03 well, it is at least #esoteric-relevant 20:58:34 -!- adu_ has quit (Quit: adu_). 21:12:37 -!- Bowserinator has quit (Quit: Blame iczero something happened). 21:16:27 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 21:17:20 -!- les-citrons has joined. 21:39:08 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 21:45:51 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:55:58 -!- delta23 has joined. 21:59:33 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:00:45 -!- hendursaga has joined. 22:10:02 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRARI]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81999 * Hyperdawg * (+641) Created page with "IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRARI (I Honestly Can't Be Bothered To Write An Interpreter All By Myself So Everytime You Run A Command It Runs A Random Interpreter) is an interpreted esot..." 22:19:14 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRARI]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82000&oldid=81999 * Hyperdawg * (+46) add nop program 22:19:33 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRARI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82001&oldid=82000 * Hyperdawg * (+5) /* Cat */ 22:19:45 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRARI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82002&oldid=82001 * Hyperdawg * (+5) /* Hello World */ 22:24:53 [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82003&oldid=81459 * The-Ennemy * (+6667) 22:29:20 -!- adu_ has joined. 22:37:00 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRARI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82004&oldid=82002 * Hyperdawg * (+70) /* Example Programs */ 22:43:42 [[Special:Log/move]] move * Hyperdawg * moved [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRARI]] to [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRWYT]]: name change 22:44:47 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRWYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82007&oldid=82005 * Hyperdawg * (+7) 22:58:59 -!- adu_ has quit (Quit: adu_). 23:01:14 [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82008&oldid=82003 * The-Ennemy * (+3839) 23:04:27 [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82009&oldid=82008 * The-Ennemy * (+203) /* Jumps and control flow */ 23:07:26 [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82010&oldid=82009 * The-Ennemy * (+339) /* Jumps and control flow */ 23:08:28 [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82011&oldid=82010 * The-Ennemy * (+5) /* Virtual instructions */ 23:09:20 [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82012&oldid=82011 * The-Ennemy * (+70) /* Jumps and control flow */ 23:11:31 [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82013&oldid=82012 * The-Ennemy * (-117) /* Conditionals */ 23:11:45 [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82014&oldid=82013 * The-Ennemy * (+3) /* Conditionals */ 23:18:49 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRWYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82015&oldid=82007 * Hyperdawg * (-1) 23:34:32 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRWYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82016&oldid=82015 * Hyperdawg * (-17) /* Nop */ 23:34:43 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRWYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82017&oldid=82016 * Hyperdawg * (-18) /* Quit IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIWYT */ 23:36:18 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRWYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82018&oldid=82017 * Hyperdawg * (+34) 23:53:27 b_jonas: oh, a friend showed me that post too. I think I read about a similar train computation model (IIRC that was TC, or just powerful enough for this kind of models, because of latches which were allowed to be coupled together). Alas I don’t remember where I read about that or if it was a link from here all along 2021-04-09: 00:01:38 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRWYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82019&oldid=82018 * Hyperdawg * (+482) 00:24:05 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:25:13 arseniiv: the comments link to that 00:25:25 with coupled track switches 00:26:02 that’s good, then! I’m a bit sad when information is lost 00:55:41 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:02:23 -!- delta23 has joined. 01:15:41 [[Abcout]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82020 * Sporeball * (+2042) create abcout page 01:19:15 [[User:Sporeball]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82021&oldid=68492 * Sporeball * (+48) add abcout to this 01:25:14 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:25:57 -!- hendursaga has joined. 01:37:33 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82022&oldid=81996 * Sporeball * (+13) add abcout to the language list 01:41:41 -!- arcsor7 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:49:44 [[User:Hyperdawg]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82023&oldid=81667 * Hyperdawg * (+13) 02:50:43 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRWYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82024&oldid=82019 * Hyperdawg * (-463) /* Python */ 02:51:29 [[IHCBBTWAIABMSEYRACIRWYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82025&oldid=82024 * Hyperdawg * (+39) /* Hello World */ 03:22:37 [[OISC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82026&oldid=81582 * Sporeball * (+100) add abcout to the list of OISCs 03:25:53 I have found a number for which the version of cosine in my complex.h 03:26:17 differs from the result i get from the x87 fcos instruction 03:27:57 64.40000000000061675109 or 0x40501999999999c5 in hex 03:34:44 No one really uses the x87 instruction, right? 03:37:17 I expect they use some SSE thing by now 03:38:31 fun 03:39:03 i386 or amd64? 03:39:23 iirc the amd64 ABI (at least on Linux) uses SSE registers for floats 03:39:35 with the assumption that you're using SSE ops too 03:40:13 the amd64 ABI uses SSE registers for float and double but still x87 for long double 03:40:25 anyway, the complex.h one, when I step through it, appears to run the taylor series 03:40:32 oh neat 03:40:36 (because long double is still an x87 80-bit float) 03:41:04 how did x87 end up using 80 bits internally, anyway 03:42:22 design intent varied from how people actually used it, basically. the intent was that you'd do all intermediate computation in 80-bits, and then round when you were finally done to 64-bit or 32-bit 03:45:20 and x87 is _slightly_ odd as an FPU design overall -- as implemented in modern x86 it's IEEE-compliant, but x87 _predates_ IEEE floats 03:45:57 (the IEEE float standard is based on x87, not the other way around) 03:47:34 i'm just wondering how they arrived at 80 bits specifically 03:48:02 double coscomplex(double x){return creal(cexp(I*x));} 03:48:07 double cosx87(double x){asm("fldl %1\n\tfcos\n\tfstpl %1":"+m"(x)::);return x;} 03:49:54 was that for compatibility to an existing system 03:50:09 or just deemed to be enough precision for intermediate calculations with a 64 bit result 03:50:54 I think it was probably a nice 10 byte round number. Also I think there was an existing 10 byte BCD format? 03:51:46 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:51:53 i think it was the latter, kmc 03:52:04 aiui there was no pre-existing system they were compatible with 03:52:26 legacy float formats are... mind-bending nonsense, and not very ieee-reminiscent 04:32:12 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 04:32:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9WyEfzWPg 04:37:03 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 04:46:43 -!- mmmattyx has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:19:54 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:39:06 I don't like that Gemini protocol requires TLS; sometimes it is useful to have a non-TLS version. My suggestion is that the non-TLS version uses a different URI scheme, perhaps "insecure-gemini:" can be used. A non-proxy server that implements the non-TLS variant should treat the two URI schemes as equivalent. 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minutes. But I don't know the answer either. 14:03:29 I imagine there's quite a lot of "inactive" accounts on the wiki, anyway. 14:04:17 As long as it's easier to create a new account than it is to hack an old one... 14:04:20 ...I wouldn't worry. 14:04:46 admin accounts may be a different ball game 14:10:05 [[Birb]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82030 * SCKelemen * (+1548) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Birb |website= |paradigms=functional |author= |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |typesys=untyped |memsys=stack-based |refimpl= |class=:Category:Turing c..." 14:51:06 -!- LKoen has joined. 14:59:29 I agree with int-e, there's not much point to remove the old account. I did remove admin rights from myself this year on a wiki that I'm no longer interested in, 15:00:22 and I had my privilages removed from my perlmonks.com account last year (they have a policy to remove janitor privilage from people who aren't active janitors, but nothing like that for the lower privilages that I had). 15:08:11 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:12:57 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:14:55 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:17:40 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:26:43 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 15:28:11 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:32:23 -!- Sgeo__ has joined. 15:35:32 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 15:39:46 -!- Sgeo__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:42:10 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82031&oldid=82022 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+11) /* B */ [[Birb]] 15:47:21 -!- Sgeo has joined. 16:05:41 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:08:08 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 16:10:04 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 16:29:03 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:40:55 [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82032&oldid=82014 * The-Ennemy * (+19) /* Stack access */ 16:47:18 -!- delta23 has joined. 16:59:37 -!- hiato has joined. 17:04:58 -!- hiato has left ("Killed buffer"). 17:05:54 [[Birb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82033&oldid=82030 * SCKelemen * (+70) /* Symbols */ 17:06:31 -!- hiato has joined. 17:07:01 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:15:40 [[Falel]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82034 * Umanochiocciola * (+1642) Created page with "Fancy Assembly Like EsoLang This is a little thing I made after playing Shenzen I/O. ==Documentation== Memory Scheme | out-buff | in-buff | acc | x3 ...." 17:16:50 [[Falel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82035&oldid=82034 * Umanochiocciola * (+6) 17:17:10 [[Falel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82036&oldid=82035 * Umanochiocciola * (-15) 17:17:28 [[Falel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82037&oldid=82036 * Umanochiocciola * (+1) 17:26:05 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 17:42:06 -!- drunken_lizard has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:02:33 -!- hiato has quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 27.1). 18:11:24 -!- hiato has joined. 19:12:59 [[Fishheads]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82038&oldid=81708 * Hyperdawg * (+15) 19:24:01 Hmm, I wonder if it's common nowadays to use a 1600x1200 resolution when emulating the non-square-pixel 4:3 320x200 VGA display modes. That'd give the right aspect ratio, and integer scaling in both dimensions (320*5 = 1600, 200*6 = 1200), and fit into a reasonably sized window on an 1440p monitor. 19:25:22 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Quit: leaving). 19:25:26 fizzie: but most people use 1920x1080 resolution monitors, so that won't work 19:25:32 and we also might want space for other things 19:26:19 (I personally have an 1920x1200 monitor, 16:10 ratio, at home right now, until this one dies completely, but those are hard to buy) 19:26:28 so we just use smaller sizes 19:26:28 Do they? I thought 1440p and 2560p was getting pretty popular? 19:26:49 Well, I guess it's still "most". 19:26:55 fizzie: a few people have such high resolution, but I think 1920x1080 is still the most common 19:27:21 Yeah, https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ says 67.35% 1920x1080, and 8.01% 2560x1440. 19:27:34 (And 2.41% 3840x2160.) 19:28:35 fizzie: mind you, it's likely that the 1920x1080 are the monitors that the office buys to people to do their job, and the videogamers that emulate 320x200 resolution games are more likely to have more or bigger monitors at home where they play the videogames 19:28:56 (there's of course the opposite effect, with radiologists who use big monitors for their work, but that's a small minority) 19:40:00 -!- hiato has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:49:54 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:52:05 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 19:52:14 I've settled on a 2x 25" 2560x1440 combination, but at the office it was more convenient to go with the stock arrangement of 2x 27" 2560x1440, which I think is a little bit larger than necessary, physically speaking. (The *other* stock arrangement would have been 1x 32" 3840x2160.) 19:52:57 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 19:54:16 I don't know yet what monitor I'll buy, and I hope I won't have to buy it soon, because I would hate if this one died 19:57:13 fizzie: ok, but maybe you don't work at one of those run-of-the-mill office jobs, but as a programmer who sometimes uses their work computer for more than Excel spreadsheets and facebook 20:02:53 One inconvenience with a two-monitor setup is that if you need to replace one (because of the magic smoke getting out, for example), you're limited to (a) sticking with the existing dot pitch, (b) ending up with two monitors where moving a window from one to another makes everything larger, or (c) having to replace a perfectly good monitor as well. 20:03:28 I spent quite a few years in option (b), with a 2560x1440 + 1920x1200 pair. 20:07:51 fizzie: plus it only works for the lizardmen from mars who infiltrated Earth, because they have pairs of chameleon eyes so they can look at multiple monitors at the same time. I for one hate that setup, it just leads either to staring at a boundary between two monitors, or having to turn my neck to stare at one monitor all the time. I'm glad I could convince my job to take one monitor away, the 20:07:57 resulting one monitor setup is more enjoyable. 20:09:10 [[Fishheads]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82039&oldid=82038 * Hyperdawg * (+162) /* Example programs */ 20:09:49 [[Fishheads]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82040&oldid=82039 * Hyperdawg * (-52) /* Hello World */ 20:11:48 [[Fishheads]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82041&oldid=82040 * Hyperdawg * (+84) 20:20:25 "lie around there for so many years probably isn't very secure in the long run" 20:20:54 I feel like his point was something like that he used the same password everywhere at that time ..D 20:21:35 Well, they could certainly generate a random new password. Assuming they can log on to that account still. 20:22:13 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:22:52 but the leak could happen any time 20:23:15 before he realised he has this account "to lie around there for so many years" 20:23:48 not that it's possible to do anything about it 20:24:08 I'm just giving my guess just why he was asking about this at all 20:33:27 `? password 20:33:29 The password of the month is hiding in plain sight. 20:34:20 so it did get changed, though rather late 21:04:17 i should get a new monitor. it's a touch annoying having a high DPI and standard DPI screen 21:04:38 though at least these days i'm using all mac os, and the mac os support for that is not-terrible (unlike other OSes i could name) 21:39:54 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 21:43:06 -!- laerling has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:43:19 -!- laerling has joined. 23:11:25 I have 1280x1024 23:17:28 my new laptop is a 14" 1080p 23:17:44 higher DPI would be nice, but it's a good screen in other respects 23:17:50 i don't really care about 16:9 versus 16:10 23:19:53 > let f w h = w*h/(w^2+h^2) in f 16 10/f 16 9 23:19:55 1.0518102372034956 23:20:13 16:10 gives you 5% more screen space for the same diagonal length ;) 23:22:38 The monitor will have to fit on the desk, and you might want pixels of a certain minimum and maximum size 23:27:34 this is... 2560x1600, 13.3" (16:10) 23:27:49 which is a pretty nice resolution for a small display 23:30:41 * pikhq has liked this laptop a fair bit more than she was expecting 23:34:30 16:10 1920x1200 has that (niche?) benefit that you can play 16:9 1080p video without any scaling and still have space at the bottom (or top, if you bend that way) for showing playback controls without obscuring the video. 23:34:48 Hmm, or maybe subtitles. Though I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad idea. 23:36:02 I think it is fine to hide playback controls and use the controls on the keyboard, although you may want to display subtitles/captions and time codes, and the track number 23:36:17 yeah, the playback controls thing is the justification for 16:10 23:36:41 tho even watching video on here i really do prefer to have them hidden when not interacting with the controls 23:36:54 letterboxing is just nicer than graphics that arent what im looking at 23:41:57 Does any DVD video software allow you to adjust the colours and opacity of the subtitles? 23:43:23 (I have read some details of the format, and it seems that this should be possible, but I have never seen any DVD player that has such an option.) 23:48:49 I think mpv can convert them to grayscale (--sub-gray, mentions DVD image subtitles), but I think nothing more elaborate than that. DVDSubEdit (a Windows-only program?) appears to have an arbitrary color remapping option, but it's not a playback program. 23:49:12 (DVDSubEdit looks vaguely familiar. I wonder if I've maybe used it.) 23:51:00 I haven't used VLC to play DVDs, but I believe it can, and it allows adjusting the colors and opacity of subtitles in general 23:53:01 The DVD player I have (connected to the television) can change the colours and opacity of captions, but not of subtitles. (However, you cannot turn on/off captions or select them during playback, but you can select subtitles during playback.) 23:56:01 i don't know if anything can, i usually just accept the subtitle rendering for whatever i'm watching 23:58:39 do you watch movies from DVD? _Oo 23:59:30 admittedly whenever i _do_ watch things on dvd it's actually me ripping it :p 23:59:40 and i usually mux the raw dvd subs in when i do that 2021-04-10: 00:00:09 (This is one reason I prefer to use captions instead. With captions, it is also possible to change the font, too. It is not possible to change the font of DVD subtitles, although the format would allow changing colours/opacity, that doesn't seem to be implemented. Changing the font of DVD subtitles after it has been recorded is not possible though.) 00:00:28 [[User:Truttle1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82042&oldid=68840 * Truttle1 * (+58) 00:01:09 yeah, since DVD subtitles are just bitmaps, only so much you can do 00:02:31 They are stored using indexed colours, and with the specification of what colour to use for which index. So, this should easily allow the user to change which colour corresponds to which index. 00:03:19 * pikhq nods 00:18:09 -!- FreeFull has quit. 00:32:32 I didn't know they are bitmaps 00:32:51 I guess that is easier than every DVD player having fonts and rendering code for every language out there 00:37:11 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:43:14 Yes, it is easier. It has advantages and disadvantages compared with captions (although it is possible for DVDs to have captions, too, but not all DVD players can play them; if the DVD player does not have its own ability to render captions and the connection to the display is HDMI, then it will not be possible to display the captions at all; subtitles don't have this problem, although this is also a problem with HDMI) 00:53:51 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 00:53:59 How can I tell 7-Zip to add empty files? 00:55:18 It seems that it does, but why does'nt it list them when they are being added to the archive? 00:56:49 zzo38: so HDMI does not include a way to carry captions data? 00:57:21 i'm surprised to hear that 00:59:07 kmc: As far as I know, that is correct, it doesn't. (Someone mentioned to me SDI, and apparely SDI does.) 01:00:07 (I would prefer Digi-RGB+audio+IMIDI, but this is currently never used; the electrical specification has not yet been written.) 01:02:23 (Only the format of the data has been written so far.) 01:03:25 why use 7zip in the first place? 01:03:55 Yeah, DVDs have some aspects that feel pretty archaic because they're designed around technical limitations that are a fair bit older than their common adoption. 01:04:04 The technical limitations of 1995 are baked into the file format 01:04:09 *s 01:05:22 The compression of 7-Zip is better than ZIP. I tried again this time creating a ZIP archive, this time it does list all of the files. When creating a 7-Zip archive, it doesn't list empty files, but still adds them; this seems to be a bug. 01:07:08 Yeah, and ZIP has a max file size that's relatively small 01:07:22 (the zip64 extension lets you surpass that, but not much supports it) 01:08:06 I have never had problems with the file size limit 01:08:26 The file size limit is, admittedly, 4 gigs 01:08:47 So it's not low enough it'll prevent all uses, just low enough it'll prevent a few reasonable ones 01:11:33 Now I added the sokoban example into the repository of Free Hero Mesh, in case an example is wanted. Later, it might be better to have a proper puzzle set catalog, like how Tom7's Escape game has a level catalog by internet. 01:13:17 (Currently a compressed tape archive is used, but for the puzzle catalog, a compressed Hamster archive might be better.) 01:32:10 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:50:59 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 02:05:27 [[Abcout]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82043&oldid=82020 * Sporeball * (+0) link to Subleq within quote 02:31:38 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:31:51 -!- mmmattyx has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 02:38:11 this max file limit might be the only reason to not use zip 02:38:35 if that's a problem I would check the .tar.gz out 02:40:09 but 7zip is just a cancer unconsciously marketed out to relatively noticable use by those who have a bit more knowledge about computers than a farm worker 02:41:00 there are hundreds of compressors and if you want to debate on that subject you'll find that 7zip isn't the best so it's not an argument 02:41:58 the real argument is compatibility and AFAIK the most crossplatform formats for compressing files are .ZIP and .TAR.GZ 02:42:08 everything else needs shitty installers 02:44:08 and going back to real benchmarks, the RAR still wins if you add this up with the fact that it's not abandoned unlike most of others https://gist.github.com/Nakilon/09fac4335b95f9617e4c82af4d9e1e7d 02:45:50 also the last time I had to unpack 7zip it could not unpack, lol, was not liking the file names encoding 03:20:53 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 03:35:14 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 03:40:48 Actually, I decompressed a RAR file I saw and recompressed it as 7Z format and the 7Z file is smaller. However, neither format is quite what I would have wanted. I had my own idea, which includes VM codes so that specialized algorithms are possible; ZPAQ does that, but I don't really like its design and would prefer having archiving and compression separate (like .tar.gz is). 03:41:08 But ZIP is most common, so if you don't need the features or extra compression of other formats, then ZIP can be used. 03:47:48 One possible advantage of captions over subtitles is the possibility of caption scrollback, although I don't know of anything that implements it. (For some uses, hidden captions would also be useful; I think EIA-708 has this, but I don't know if it is used. I think it has tagged captions, but I haven't seen any implementation that has options to customize the tag mask.) 03:49:40 DVD subtitles are numbered, and also are identified by languages. 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has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:57:21 -!- iscordian[m] has joined. 04:59:50 -!- iscordian[m] has changed nick to Discordian[m]. 05:40:02 [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82044&oldid=81781 * Zzo38 * (+572) 05:45:54 -!- TannerSwett[m] has joined. 05:45:54 -!- none30 has joined. 05:45:54 -!- wmww has joined. 05:45:54 -!- lyncid[m] has joined. 05:59:20 you may consider not just specialized algorithm but a specialised training data 06:00:33 some successfull decompressors are using a generic algorithms plus the preforged "description" of the data the decompressor should expect to unpack to 06:01:46 it's essentially putting the knowledge about the data into the decompressor and the more effective they get the more they weight nowadays 06:02:22 like recognition AIs you know 06:06:56 so the thing is if your goal isn't to distribute something self-extracting but to make users to have a decompressor installed separately from the data they'll get later separately then I would look for tools that provide the way to build the training data from your sample input 06:07:30 but again this might be just not worth it 06:14:18 [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82045&oldid=82044 * Zzo38 * (+831) 07:13:25 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:15:17 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 07:15:25 -!- delta23 has quit (Disconnected by services). 07:15:27 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 07:20:27 -!- Sgeo has joined. 07:44:40 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: zzzzzzzzzzzz). 08:07:42 -!- hendursaga has joined. 08:09:57 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:37:43 -!- LKoen has joined. 08:39:56 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:42:43 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:59:57 -!- TheLie has joined. 09:00:05 -!- wmww has quit (Quit: Idle for 30+ days). 09:42:48 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:06:47 -!- arseniiv has joined. 10:51:21 -!- olus2000 has joined. 11:12:38 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:30:43 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Olus2000 * New user account 11:44:09 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82046&oldid=81925 * Olus2000 * (+323) Introduction of Olus2000 11:53:05 [[User:Olus2000]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82047 * Olus2000 * (+249) Initial commit 11:55:23 [[User:Olus2000]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82048&oldid=82047 * Olus2000 * (+0) Capitalisation of BAL 12:08:54 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Schadimander * New user account 12:14:00 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82049&oldid=82046 * Schadimander * (+284) introducing? 12:15:17 -!- LKoen has joined. 12:26:07 [[Talk:English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82050&oldid=68486 * Schadimander * (+160) 12:26:22 [[Talk:English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82051&oldid=82050 * Schadimander * (+2) 12:28:41 I seem to remember there was some convention in DVD subtitles to use an uncommon (relatively speaking) language as an ad-hoc standard for some other purpose. Can't remember the details though. 12:29:30 Or maybe I'm thinking of DVB broadcasting (in Finland), and using some uncommon language for the accessibility / hearing-impaired / audio description captions. 12:32:44 Some interweb searching seems to suggest DVB has dedicated subtitle types for "regular use" and "hearing impaired", but I guess it's not impossible they might have been worried about software support and still picked a different fake language code. 13:00:36 nakilon: no, 7zip is a decent compressor for its own format, with a nice easily tunable parameter, a nice package supporting a lot of existing compressed and misc formats, a usable windows GUI, with a terribly messed up command-line interface. but since it's open source, it should be possible to fix the command-line interface. I use 7zip to do much of my compression these days. 13:20:25 -!- mmmattyx has joined. 13:26:08 [[Functional()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82052&oldid=81578 * Hakerh400 * (+786) Add hello-world example 13:34:32 [[Referencement]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82053&oldid=79029 * Hakerh400 * (+2715) Add TIO links 13:56:49 [[Brainfuck Assembly Language]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82054 * Olus2000 * (+6178) Initial commit 14:04:00 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82055&oldid=82031 * Olus2000 * (+34) Added Brainfuck Assembly Language 14:12:10 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:31:29 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * TheTermProgrammer * New user account 14:49:27 [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82056&oldid=80257 * Betseg * (+407) /* Metacategorization */ new section 14:51:54 -!- betseg has joined. 14:52:25 how do i propose a page for deletion 14:53:43 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 14:54:36 hewwo 14:54:40 how do i propose a page for deletion 14:57:10 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:00:38 -!- drunken_lizard has joined. 15:05:13 -!- drunken_lizard has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:10:17 which page is it 15:10:26 you can @tell fizzie about it, probably. or ping them. 15:10:43 emojicode 15:10:53 it redirects to an unrelated language 15:11:48 and emojicode itself is a non-eso lang 15:12:37 emojicode is an esolang 15:13:16 is it 15:14:01 it's an attempt of creating a bizzare language and then branding it as a normal language 15:14:26 there's no advantage of using emojis like this 15:14:59 it's a normal language that happens to use emoji as its reserved words and function names 15:16:05 asm2bf is a serious assembler, yet it's still considered an esolang by most people. 15:19:02 someone could probably write an esolangs wiki article on it, though. 15:19:20 it's esoteric enough to have it's own article, and if APL deserves being on the wiki, then emojicode surely does too :P 15:19:21 yeah it's still a false redirecrt 15:19:37 wait APL is considered esoteric??? 15:19:54 i know multiple people who think that APL/J are esolangs 15:19:59 oh its article says "non-esoteric" 15:20:11 it's a bit esoteric, esoteric as in "usual" 15:20:17 s/usual/unusual 15:29:38 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:29:51 oh hello betseg, didn't expect to see you here (am kritixi) 15:30:13 hi! 15:35:37 [[Emojicode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82057&oldid=66398 * Betseg * (+55) Removed redirect to [[Emoji]] 15:36:39 [[Emojicode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82058&oldid=82057 * Betseg * (+53) 15:45:26 -!- olus2000 has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 15:45:31 [[Emojicode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82059&oldid=82058 * Betseg * (+10) 15:49:52 -!- betseg has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 15:52:09 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Bye!). 15:53:03 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:55:26 -!- TheLie has joined. 16:17:29 [[Falel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82060&oldid=82037 * Umanochiocciola * (-133) /* Documentation */ 16:20:06 [[Falel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82061&oldid=82060 * Umanochiocciola * (+37) /* Documentation */ 16:20:43 [[Brainfuck But With Buffer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82062&oldid=81679 * Umanochiocciola * (-35) /* Commands */ 16:21:04 [[Falel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82063&oldid=82061 * Umanochiocciola * (+14) /* Documentation */ 16:22:50 -!- Sgeo has joined. 16:25:39 -!- olus2000 has joined. 16:40:38 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82064 * Olus2000 * (+607) initial commit 16:41:47 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82065&oldid=82064 * Olus2000 * (+14) Corrected category link 16:42:47 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82066&oldid=82065 * Olus2000 * (+0) Corrected category 16:47:55 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82067&oldid=82055 * Olus2000 * (+24) Added toki pi ilo nanpa 17:01:58 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 17:10:22 -!- olus2000 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:30:27 -!- clog has joined. 17:50:14 -!- delta23 has joined. 17:55:24 -!- budonyc has quit (*.net *.split). 17:55:24 -!- Cale has quit (*.net *.split). 17:55:24 -!- zzo38 has quit (*.net *.split). 17:55:24 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (*.net *.split). 17:55:24 -!- nakilon has quit (*.net *.split). 17:55:24 -!- vertrex has quit (*.net *.split). 17:55:24 -!- relrod has quit (*.net *.split). 17:56:22 -!- budonyc has joined. 17:56:22 -!- Cale has joined. 17:56:22 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:56:22 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 17:56:22 -!- nakilon has joined. 17:56:22 -!- vertrex has joined. 17:56:22 -!- relrod has joined. 18:04:53 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82068&oldid=82066 * Betseg * (+14) 18:05:05 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82069&oldid=82068 * Betseg * (-15) 18:06:40 [[Emojicode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82070&oldid=82059 * Betseg * (+39) 18:30:26 -!- tslil has joined. 18:36:58 -!- tslil has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:43:11 -!- drunken_lizard has joined. 18:43:26 Ooph, I finished Recursed... only to discover https://recursed-ice-palace.github.io/ 18:56:50 -!- drunken_lizard has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:57:23 -!- drunken_lizard has joined. 18:59:22 -!- drunken__ has joined. 18:59:40 -!- tslil has joined. 19:00:48 -!- drunken_lizard has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:15:25 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82071&oldid=82069 * Olus2000 * (+2169) Base info on variables 19:15:44 -!- olus2000 has joined. 19:22:42 Recursed looks awesome, and very affordable too! Thanks for the mention. 19:49:27 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:49:55 olus2000: it is a very cute game. be warned that the puzzles get quite hard though. 19:51:25 (I bought it two years ago actually and didn't finish it on the first run. I restarted from scratch a week or two ago... though obviously I still remembered quite a few tricks.) 19:51:45 [[DriftLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82072&oldid=81558 * Hakerh400 * (-1) /* Syntactic sugar */ 19:52:32 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:52:40 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 20:38:49 -!- arcsor5 has joined. 20:38:53 hello again 20:38:59 After a long hiatus, i am back 20:41:03 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:45:00 -!- Bowserinator has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:45:02 ollehrjan 20:49:25 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 20:53:09 Judging by the first half of the levels I wish it were harder, but I believe next word will start to be a serious problem. That's what I like in puzzle levels. 20:53:28 hint-e 20:54:51 [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82073&oldid=82056 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+184) /* Metacategorization */ Reply 20:55:45 so we've learned that vozzling is topologically similar to knitting, and children love vozzlers. 20:57:05 i conclude that they're manifold surgeons, who repair hyperdimensional plush toys. 20:59:42 int-e: also it will be interesting to see if kjarl retains any of his time powers. should be useful in a war... 20:59:58 although gil already has the dreen 21:00:25 but kjarl seems to be easier to communicate with 21:01:27 [[Blindfolded Arithmetic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82074&oldid=81643 * Quintopia * (-4) correct analytical engine programming cards link 21:01:36 * oerjan is still catching up to stuff. currently binging shtetl-optimized 21:02:52 [[Blindfolded Arithmetic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82075&oldid=82074 * Quintopia * (+4) bullets 21:08:13 olus2000: it starts out easy... the first tricky levels should turn up in the ruins 21:09:25 (so the 4th level set) 21:17:03 -!- olus2000 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:29:40 oerjan: Hmm I guess I have given up on trying to predict GG, so I have not thought about what Kjarl may do in the future. 21:31:55 shocking 21:32:05 It was complicated enough before they skipped, what was it, 8 months? after Klaus froze Mechanicsburg. 21:33:10 2 1/2 years iirc 21:33:35 ah, worse 21:34:10 So I'm pondering small things. Like... what did Krosp notice about that cat? 21:34:33 my theory: martellus made it have super-high cat rank like krosp 21:35:00 so it's the first cat he's ever met that doesn't submit to him 21:36:34 essentially, she's the empress of all cats 21:36:47 that could be fun 21:37:59 -!- sprock has joined. 22:03:29 -!- hendursaga has quit (Quit: hendursaga). 22:15:34 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:17:37 [[Grain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82076&oldid=81744 * Grom * (+12) 22:19:45 [[Grain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82077&oldid=82076 * Grom * (+0) 22:20:16 [[Grain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82078&oldid=82077 * Grom * (+24) 22:27:09 [[Analytical Engine Programming Cards]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82079&oldid=81642 * Quintopia * (+3421) /* Attendant Cards */ 22:29:40 -!- drunken__ has quit. 22:42:54 -!- delta23 has joined. 23:07:24 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:24:18 -!- hendursaga has joined. 23:51:26 I like to be able to skip to whatever level of the puzzle game that I want to do, and keep track of which ones are solved or unsolved 2021-04-11: 00:39:40 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:40:23 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:40:46 -!- hendursaga has joined. 01:09:00 Please tell me if this is good http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/separate_deck_crypto it is what I mentioned a few days ago 01:20:44 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:40:14 -!- delta23 has joined. 02:03:39 -!- delta23 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:04:04 -!- delta23 has joined. 02:22:06 -!- delta23 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:22:24 -!- delta23 has joined. 02:30:09 -!- mmmattyx has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 03:03:14 [[E++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82080 * Schadimander * (+296) Created page with "E++ is a language made by me. It is a joke language. It is a copy of E. Binary list: E - binary 1 A - binary 0 Command list: 101101001 - Prints E 100101110 - Prints A 10110 -..." 03:04:56 [[Category:Joke language]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82081 * Schadimander * (+30) Created page with "I don't know what to put here." 03:06:42 [[E++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82082&oldid=82080 * Schadimander * (+5) 03:07:18 [[E++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82083&oldid=82082 * Schadimander * (+3) 03:09:53 [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82084&oldid=81956 * Schadimander * (+53) 03:10:34 [[Category:Schadimander's Things]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82085 * Schadimander * (+14) Created page with "Nevermind here" 04:42:30 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: zzz). 05:22:58 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:44:50 -!- arcsor5 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:51:53 -!- paul2520 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:09:17 -!- olus2000 has joined. 06:27:33 -!- sprock has quit (Quit: ...). 06:31:42 -!- olus2000 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:45:13 -!- olus2000 has joined. 08:07:06 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:09:33 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:11:44 [[Bitwise Trance]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82086&oldid=81611 * Hakerh400 * (+2349) Add two more examples 08:16:44 [[Subreal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82087&oldid=76531 * RocketRace * (+95) Clarify invalid operation behavior 08:17:22 [[Finite-state mach... wait, WHAT!?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82088&oldid=73315 * Hakerh400 * (+1865) Add TIO links 08:22:02 [[User talk:LyricLy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82089 * Citrons * (+14) /* beans */ new section 08:36:21 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 09:27:50 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:02:45 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:22:12 [[User:Schadimander]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82090 * Schadimander * (+63) Created page with "It is me, Schadimander! 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19:40:28 it depends on the details but such a thing could easily be turing-complete 19:41:46 you can easily build data conditionals out of arithmetic -- if x is a 0-or-1 bool then x*a + (1-x)*b is equivelent to (x ? a : b) 19:42:12 and if you have self modifying code then it's easy to turn data conditionals into control flow conditionals 19:45:39 delta23: what do you think of https://esolangs.org/wiki/SMETANA 19:46:21 kmc: ic 19:47:04 int-e: that case is more obvious though 19:47:57 hm 19:49:10 delta23: Well, it's simple, it has no conditionals, and it is self-modifying. 19:50:00 you can implement unconditional 'goto' as a write to some 'program counter' variable 19:50:01 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:50:05 (not in SMETANA but in general I mean) 19:50:41 every instruction in your infinite loop is assigned a "line number" and is coded in such a way that it checks the pc variable and has no side effect unless the pc is equal to that line number 19:50:52 then you 'goto' by writing to pc and just waiting for it to loop around to that instruction 19:52:53 10 X = Y; GOTO 20 ==> x = (pc == 10 ? 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Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 10:33:37 [[XO Mchne]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82157&oldid=71617 * SubleqIsTheBestLeq * (-1) /* C Implementation */ Fixed common mistake 10:42:45 -!- xelxebar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:43:03 -!- xelxebar has joined. 10:49:58 [[Subleq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82158&oldid=82113 * SubleqIsTheBestLeq * (+373) Added clarification about the OISC-y-ness of most SUBLEQ implementions. 11:58:32 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 12:54:46 [[Pain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82159&oldid=81304 * RetroPain * (+9) /* Truth-machine */ 12:55:15 [[Pain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82160&oldid=82159 * RetroPain * (+1) /* Truth-machine */ 13:45:54 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 13:56:06 -!- metcalf has joined. 13:59:43 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 13:59:58 -!- metcalf has joined. 14:06:43 -!- metcalf has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 14:14:52 https://esoteric.codes/blog/david-madore newer interview with David Madore 14:21:18 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:00:25 -!- NotApplicable has joined. 15:05:11 -!- NotApplicable has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 15:36:50 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:37:33 -!- NotApplicable has joined. 15:38:51 [[Pain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82161&oldid=82160 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+46) /* Hello, world! */ Make sentence truer 15:39:59 [[PDA-er]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82162&oldid=81915 * Largejamie * (+389) /* Examples */ 15:41:48 [[PDA-er]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82163&oldid=82162 * Largejamie * (+59) /* Overview */ 15:42:18 [[DFA-er]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82164&oldid=81700 * Largejamie * (+59) /* Overview */ 15:48:25 -!- metcalf has joined. 16:15:33 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 16:19:47 -!- delta23 has joined. 16:23:10 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 16:23:27 -!- metcalf has joined. 16:28:11 -!- metcalf has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:58:21 -!- metcalf has joined. 17:00:12 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 17:00:30 -!- metcalf has joined. 17:04:43 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 17:05:00 -!- metcalf has joined. 17:05:21 -!- NotApplicable has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 17:07:34 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 17:07:47 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:08:40 -!- shikhin_ has changed nick to shikhin. 17:11:29 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 17:11:59 -!- metcalf has joined. 17:14:43 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 17:14:59 -!- metcalf has joined. 17:35:40 -!- imode has joined. 17:56:15 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Makonede * New user account 17:58:35 -!- NeverBorn has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:58:35 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82165&oldid=82126 * Makonede * (+117) 18:21:21 [[Duocentehexaquinquagesimal]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82166 * Makonede * (+522) Created page with "'''Duocentehexaquinquagesimal''' is a derivative of [[Golunar]], which itself is a derivative of [[Unary]], which itself is a derivative of [[brainfuck]]. It operates in nearl..." 18:23:34 [[Duocentehexaquinquagesimal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82167&oldid=82166 * Makonede * (+276) 18:24:17 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82168&oldid=82145 * Makonede * (+33) 18:33:52 [[Duocentehexaquinquagesimal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82169&oldid=82167 * Makonede * (+39) 18:34:12 [[User:Makonede]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82170 * Makonede * (+5) Created page with "hello" 18:35:37 [[User:Makonede]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82171&oldid=82170 * Makonede * (+48) 18:35:44 [[User:Makonede]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82172&oldid=82171 * Makonede * (-1) 18:40:10 [[Duocentehexaquinquagesimal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82173&oldid=82169 * Makonede * (+36) 18:40:27 [[Duocentehexaquinquagesimal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82174&oldid=82173 * Makonede * (+2) 19:09:53 -!- gilesgate has joined. 19:27:09 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:34:55 -!- gilesgate has quit (Quit: -rn-). 19:35:15 -!- gilesgate has joined. 19:41:30 How do I find the IRC that someone may be interested in my "Free Hero Mesh" software? I tried #freenode but they wouldn't help. 19:52:46 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:54:41 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 19:55:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:55:05 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 20:01:27 -!- metcalf has joined. 20:05:58 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 20:06:17 -!- metcalf has joined. 20:18:24 [[Duocentehexaquinquagesimal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82175&oldid=82174 * Makonede * (-36) 20:54:50 zzo38: Maybe create a channel and mention it on the FHM page? But maybe nobody cares... 21:06:14 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. 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I wonder what happened to the other folks that were around then, perhaps everyone has moved to some new platform? 23:35:31 Or maybe they are just not on any more; sometimes that happens. 23:36:20 fair enough, that's probably more likely. 23:37:34 yeah, let's see, i was here last in ~2009. I think i only recognise the two bots! :p 23:38:31 well i had come back to say thank you: although i can't prove it, i suspect that the time i spent on this channel was formative in my life choices and education, so thanks all! 23:39:40 hmm hmm. https://esolangs.org/logs/2008-03-21.html#lek 23:40:20 int-e: wow, yes! 23:41:22 ais523 and oerjan still drop in occasionally. A lot of other people have indeed disappeared over timew 23:41:25 -w 23:41:43 yeah, it turns out that that example for Tree is incorrect, but i've never gone back to fix it. I also think i can't now, as the email address with my account is gone. Or at least, i can't fix it as me 23:42:15 int-e: cool! i'd love to say hi, so i think i'll hang around. 23:42:16 ais 23:42:36 ais523 helped me with my highschool homework, though i doubt he remembers 23:44:50 I think AnMaster (subsequently, Vorpal) also dropped by sometime last year, but didn't say anything. 23:44:52 so actually, any idea who has admin priveleges over the Wiki and whether it would be possible to reclaim my account? 23:45:07 fizzie knows ;) 23:47:12 I don't suppose your account is associated with an email address that you've still got access to? The problem with that kind of thing is, it's hard to be principled about what level of proof of identity it needs, otherwise. 23:48:05 right, i completely understand. There's a small chance i migrated it to an address i can still reach. I'll try that now 23:48:46 -!- spruit11 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:49:14 (in fact i was just wondering what, if anything, would constitute a proof of identity) 23:49:22 Well, your password recovery email just bounced. 23:50:02 yeah, apparently i didn't have the foresight to change my listed address when i dropped that email account 23:51:04 or, wait, bounced as in the email address was invalid, or bounced as in the email address i submitted was not linked to the account? 23:51:37 The former. Gmail says "The email account that you tried to reach does not exist". Hmm. 23:52:05 Ah yes, this is the problem. I `deleted' my gmail account (inasmuch as google does that) 23:53:10 anyway, i don't want to press you fizzie to compromise your morals or make an exception here, i completely understand the slippery slope. If there is something you'd be comfortable with i'd be happy to try, but otherwise don't worry :) 23:53:26 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 23:53:31 It's kind of silly. I don't imagine identity fraud using esolangs.org wiki accounts is exactly top on anyone's list, but it'd be nice to have *some* sort of rationale. 23:53:55 Hmm, I guess your user page mentions "maximum_yellow", which does match your Freenode account name, that's kind of a data point. 23:54:37 i can produce public keys, my academic website, maybe even references if oerjan/ais523/... rejoin 23:54:57 * int-e ponders registering a new gmail account right now just try to make a point :-P (I have no clue how google feels about reusing old email addresses... or about allowing gmail.com, for that matter) 23:55:18 but i'm not sure that anything i do would ever be convincing, and i understand that 23:55:54 (a likely looking address is in the logs) 23:56:01 int-e: :) surely they must bar this, but who knows 23:56:07 I mean, I think it is pretty convincing, I just don't know where to put the threshold. 23:57:03 10 years of inactivity might lower the threshold 23:57:06 * int-e shrugs 23:57:11 well no rush fizzie, i plan to hang around for a while :) 23:57:32 (as in, months/years to come) 23:57:36 Also it's not exactly a common name, I would say. So if you've got an email address that's sort of publicly on a official-looking web page, I could forward that password reset email there? 23:59:45 well fizzie generously agreed after pointing to an academic institution webpage! woo! I can finally fix that incorrect example :p 2021-04-15: 00:01:21 Sent. Should be something titled "Account details on Esolang". 00:01:50 I am reminded by that one prisoner who freed himself by having a friend fax a convincing-looking letter from a copy shop, though. 00:03:05 Using digital signatures might help, if you added your public key to your user page from that user account, but if not, then that won't help. 00:08:28 -!- delta23 has joined. 00:21:55 fizzie: excellent, thanks again! I believe i have changed my email address :) 00:31:31 [[User:Hiato]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82179&oldid=25996 * Hiato * (+104) 00:33:38 -!- arseniiv_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:36:05 [[Tree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82180&oldid=78380 * Hiato * (+194) 12 years later the second ``example'' becomes an example in earnest 00:36:45 and there we have it, Tree finally has a control flow example, that i didn't write, 12 years after the fact :p 00:37:13 trees take time to grow 00:37:18 haha 00:46:15 Speaking of growing, I should get back to that game sometime. 00:47:46 -!- tslil has changed nick to op_4. 00:49:36 int-e: Oh, is resolution even closer to contraction than modus ponens is? 01:06:25 [[Subreal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82181&oldid=82087 * RocketRace * (+388) Clarify the behavior of subfinite loops 01:06:43 [[Subreal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82182&oldid=82181 * RocketRace * (-5) /* Subfinite loops */ 01:09:52 "this channel was formative in my life choices and education" 01:10:05 did you chose to become a befunge programmer? 01:11:14 fungot do you speak Russian? 01:11:14 nakilon: essentials of programming languages' in the new iteration can you use ' all yall'? that ' a' 01:16:16 -!- spruit11 has joined. 01:28:42 Based on a quick grep of a few Cyrillic characters, I think the wp style's the only one that might have some Russian words in it. (And I don't know if even that does, necessarily.) 01:30:30 nakilon: i consider my area of mathematics to be rather close actually 01:30:51 (i'm tslil) 01:43:59 -!- budonyc has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:44:26 op_4: 10 years ago? that's a long time 01:45:03 (the scary part is that 10 years ago was in 2011, because we're solidly in the future) 01:47:16 I wasn't on #esoteric yet 10 years ago 01:49:10 I arrived here too late 01:55:06 (in 2013 apparently) 01:57:38 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:58:10 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 02:02:56 b 02:03:00 b 02:03:04 b 02:03:09 * op_4 curses new keyboard 02:03:34 b_jonas: yeah, i try not to think that it would take 21 years to get back to the 90's 02:03:50 b_jonas: i doubt there's a too late, only generations 02:34:56 I have another idea of Magic: the Gathering card: {?} World Enchantment ;; Attacking creatures have flanking. ;; Blocking creatures have first strike. ;; When ~ dies, target creature gains haste and gets -2/-1 until end of turn. 02:36:37 [[Duocentehexaquinquagesimal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82183&oldid=82177 * Makonede * (+3) 02:56:51 -!- metcalf has joined. 02:58:45 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 02:59:00 -!- metcalf has joined. 03:09:02 [[TSL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82184&oldid=17339 * Hiato * (-6) Corrected an example for RWLR III 03:09:05 shachaf: growing's pretty fun. in some ways it's even more fun when you're older 03:09:51 op_4: oh huh, tslil, i think i recognize that name 03:10:45 pikhq: i might recognise you too? 03:10:49 hmm 03:11:09 i've been less frequently here than in the past but i've been around since, uh, 2005 03:11:43 great, then we definitely met! I think i was here starting around 2007 or so 03:11:50 * op_4 feels old 03:11:50 oh cool 03:11:54 * pikhq too 03:12:20 i'm 31, whee 03:12:29 interesting that minor edits are also picked up by the bot, is there no way to avoid spamming the channel? 03:12:36 * op_4 is now embarrassed 03:12:43 i'm 29 03:12:51 oh i didn't realize, i've had that bot muted for aaages xd 03:13:37 i hope i didn't make you feel old, it's just that 2007 feels *so long ago* 03:13:57 it does 03:14:08 and yet also so recent 03:14:17 indeed 03:14:32 granted some of that is just cause so much of my 20s were less "succeeding" and more "randomly flailing" 03:15:48 not all bad mind 03:16:21 just, took a while to get there 03:16:43 ah yes, the phase i'm now. momentum had me taking a random walk through highschool -> undergrad -> masters -> phd but now ... ? 03:17:03 i dropped out of college twice and got my bachelors' the third attempt 03:17:05 different flailing 03:17:41 different, but honestly i don't know that i've gone forwards in anything but time 03:18:03 understanding of the self, perhaps 03:18:10 i definitely have gone forwards on that 03:18:17 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 03:18:48 that's great, i'm happy to hear it. And anyway congratulations for going back to college and triumphing 03:19:26 i feel like google and then college is the _unusual_ route but hey 03:19:56 oh, impressive, i didn't know the context :) 03:20:37 * pikhq damned well earned her math degree, that's for sure 03:21:36 :D 03:21:51 that's cool! i'm doing maths too 03:22:00 nice :) 03:22:25 but i suspect i'll end up doing programming for work 03:22:40 yeah, i'm back as a software engineer after that 03:23:08 happier and more successful one than i was before, tho that's partly for other reasons *shrug* 03:23:47 i like research, but i just don't think i can continue teaching undergraduate courses. At least, the undergrads at my present institution and the courses i've TAd/taught have left me feeling burnt out on that 03:24:12 pikhq: that's what i'm thinking. many of my friends went into tech stuff and they say the same things 03:25:48 honestly kinda hate the industry at large, but i think i feel okay about my current job 03:26:19 and i'm finally starting to feel like i have time for hobby things again :) 03:27:53 oh, i'm sorry to hear that. Well at least you're finding time for yourself and ways to grow 03:28:32 got the new job in january, previous job was driving me to burnout 03:28:43 okay, well past 03:30:17 guess it happens tho. wasn't super optimistic about the long-term prospects there when i started, because, y'know, woman in tech :/ 03:32:31 c'est la vie 03:34:10 bleh, that sucks :/ 03:34:40 are you optimistic about this new one? 03:34:53 So far it's been going very well :) 03:34:57 and yeah 03:35:11 I started a new job last week and I can't yet make any statement about optimism. 03:35:17 that's fair 03:35:33 takes at least a few months before you have enough lay of the land to make any concrete statements 03:36:23 Which is particularly bad if your job is in construction. 03:36:28 lol 03:37:05 haha 03:37:27 [[TSL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82185&oldid=82184 * Hiato * (+252) added example of addition programme 03:37:33 wow that bot is fast 03:37:44 anyway, i'm off to bed, see you all around 03:37:50 my job's a healthcare related startup. not the sexiest tech-wise but it's not bad and i like it 03:37:52 night 03:38:34 i'll probably do the same 03:38:47 * pikhq suspects her wife is gonna be up for a bit *shrug* 05:24:06 -!- spruit11 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:26:05 -!- spruit11 has joined. 05:45:04 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:50:59 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82186&oldid=82154 * Olus2000 * (-14) 05:59:50 a 06:00:03 toki ilo tan toki pona 07:17:58 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 07:24:54 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82187&oldid=82186 * Olus2000 * (+219) Grammar explanation overhaul 07:26:26 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82188&oldid=82187 * Olus2000 * (-9) /* Verb sentences */ 07:42:02 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:07:20 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:10:21 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:11:54 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First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 21:47:11 -!- delta23 has joined. 22:00:16 -!- xelxebar_ has joined. 22:01:09 -!- xelxebar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:27:18 -!- user24 has quit (Quit: We must know, we will know). 22:46:32 -!- sebbu has joined. 23:03:16 (off topic) I don't suppose anyone here is familiar with the gemini protocol 23:08:05 I am familiar with it. 23:09:59 Do you have other questions? 23:11:20 Hah, i do, but i'm now realising i could possibly answer this in part for myself. 23:12:11 I was wondering why a particular client decided that my page title for my index.gmi page should be " - ". Specifically i was wondering whether there was something in the spec that specified page titles 23:12:19 but i can just look at the spec i suppose 23:12:56 I believe the specification recommends that. However, a client could be implemented differently (e.g. using only the H1 title or only the URL). 23:13:34 Great, thanks. Yeah, for some reason my client does only "" for some pages, but not others. 23:14:17 anyway, this is as good an excuse as any to poke around with server software :) 23:16:36 I dislike that it requires TLS. My suggestion is to add a new URI scheme for the insecure version, perhaps "insecure-gemini://" can be used. Error codes that specify that a client certificate is required is not allowed in this case; if a client certificate is required, then the secure version must be used. 23:17:47 (This would be an optional feature, of course; but sometimes it might be useful, e.g. for testing purposes.) 23:18:49 that's an interesting and reasonable compromise idea 23:46:55 -!- sprock has joined. 23:53:48 [[Project Euler]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82202 * ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) * (+549) Create 2021-04-16: 00:23:02 -!- arseniiv_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:27:47 * pikhq waves 00:51:09 hey pikhq 01:02:16 * pikhq has had a fruitful day of professional computer-touching 01:12:47 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 01:13:05 -!- metcalf has joined. 01:17:18 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 01:17:35 -!- metcalf has joined. 01:52:24 [[STOD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82203&oldid=75117 * Mercerenies * (+38) 02:54:19 -!- mla has joined. 03:14:22 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 03:21:37 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 03:36:25 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:44:36 Can you use hashes for random numbers? My idea is that the random number seed consists of two parts (which can contain arbitrary data), being the sequence number and the hash; use the hash of that as the random numbers, and then the next seed is the next sequence number (the initial sequence number can be any number, not necessarily zero) and the previous hash. 04:02:52 I don't see why not. 04:08:31 Does the method I suggested work? 04:36:08 that seems like it's basically just constructing a stream cipher out of a hash function? 04:37:04 while i wouldn't be confident without a cryptographer looking into it, there probably is an acceptable construction that looks something kind of like that 04:51:52 (The sequence number does not start at zero, because if it does, then it is possible to predict the random numbers.) 05:31:44 -!- grumble has quit (Ping timeout: 608 seconds). 06:01:27 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 06:18:05 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82204&oldid=81574 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+1873) /* C */ 06:58:38 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:08:12 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82205&oldid=82204 * ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) * (+223) /* C */ 07:10:38 [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82206&oldid=81930 * ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) * (+2129) 07:11:37 [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82207&oldid=82206 * ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) * (+17) 07:43:06 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 08:06:59 -!- hendursaga has joined. 08:09:33 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:15:56 -!- jix has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0). 08:21:39 -!- jix has joined. 08:22:35 -!- LKoen has joined. 08:37:13 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:39:06 -!- sftp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:59:54 -!- TheLie has joined. 10:12:45 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:59:27 quick question. does git still only use sha-1 checksums, and how easy is it for a motivated attacker to mess up your repository by causing you to commit files with sha-1 collisions? 11:07:07 They did some sort of a pinpoint mitigation for the shattered.io attack that I forget the details of, but I don't think the more ambitious plan of moving entirely out of SHA-1 has happened yet. 11:08:03 https://git-scm.com/docs/hash-function-transition/ "Git v2.13.0 and later subsequently moved to a hardened SHA-1 implementation by default, which isn’t vulnerable to the SHAttered attack, but SHA-1 is still weak." 11:13:03 I'm mostly asking because someone wants to use git for storing certain some data in the future, where I think it would be a bad idea to use git, not only because of the sha-1 but for other reasons too, and want to give arguments to change their mind 11:13:28 fizzie: thanks 11:33:07 should use git if data is binary 11:33:11 for example 11:33:48 btw, wanted to ask 11:34:06 has anyone of you ever seen the accidental md5 collision? 11:34:15 in reality 11:34:47 in your real projects, not brought to you by upvoted funny blog posts 11:35:25 *should not 11:35:32 (typo in my first message) 11:48:51 -!- hakatashi has joined. 11:49:06 -!- hakatashi1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:28:27 -!- djanatyn1 has changed nick to djanatyn. 12:37:17 -!- delta23 has joined. 12:43:56 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 13:48:06 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:17:33 Ah puzzles. https://paste.debian.net/1193985/ :) 14:19:14 the "(X moves first)" is tautology here 14:19:26 I know that it can be inferred :) 14:20:32 though it's not *quite* tautological... in Othello, O might have had the first move, but been forced to pass 14:21:38 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:22:14 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:22:37 And it actually turns out that the shortest Reversi games are one move shorter than the shortest Othello games. 14:24:34 because in these positions with O to move, the game just ends: https://paste.debian.net/1193986/ 14:28:42 oh, didn't know 14:29:17 I had to check Wikipedia on the precise rules. 14:30:48 Finally resolving a bit of cognitive dissonance that I've been suffering for a few decades :-P (because I learned the Reversi rules as a kid, and then I played Othello a lot on Windows, and the fixed starting pattern as well as the passing rule felt kind of wrong) 14:35:49 (A possible solution is https://paste.debian.net/1193987/ ...not sure how feasible this is without a computer. But I liked the diamond shape, that was unexpected.) 14:37:44 Out of those, I've just played Reversi on Windows 1.02. Not sure whether its exact rules match the name. 14:38:14 there was reversi on zx spectrum 14:38:19 couldn't beat it 14:38:37 actually there were all kinds of games with difficulty levels we couldn't beat 14:38:44 chess, gomoku 14:40:15 The Windows 1.02 version has a "Skill" level selector (Beginner/Novice/Expert/Master), but I've no idea which one (if any) I could beat. 14:40:28 -!- NotApplicable has joined. 14:43:25 we had this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyDSL_iJx2o 14:45:15 -!- sftp has joined. 14:45:34 my favourite logic game on spectrum was... 14:48:29 -!- LKoen has joined. 14:50:34 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:51:40 can't find it ( 14:51:51 it was like reversi on hexagonal field 14:52:04 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:52:41 and you have not to make more pieces of your color but fill more triangle sectors in between the hexagonal field lines 14:53:05 every time you surround a triangle you permanently draw it to your color 15:01:38 found it; the only video unfortunately https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7mtrim1u94 15:01:54 it does not show the second player to draw any triangles 15:08:50 -!- copumpkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:13:46 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:18:49 -!- blueskunk has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.4). 15:30:21 -!- xelxebar_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:34:59 -!- xelxebar has joined. 15:53:37 -!- imode has joined. 16:00:01 -!- NotApplicable has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 16:20:38 -!- metcalf has joined. 16:20:43 -!- metcalf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:20:55 -!- metcalf has joined. 16:32:16 -!- LKoen has joined. 17:03:39 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:12:28 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 17:24:41 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:28:00 -!- ITPaw has joined. 17:37:40 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82208&oldid=82188 * Olus2000 * (+22) /* Verb sentences */ kipisi argument description update 17:38:11 [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82209&oldid=82208 * Olus2000 * (+6) /* Verb sentences */ grammar in kipisi description 17:58:19 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Quit: leaving). 18:13:52 [[Duocentehexaquinquagesimal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82210&oldid=82183 * Makonede * (+82) 18:20:41 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 18:47:35 -!- ITPaw has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:56:13 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:56:50 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 19:59:20 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 21:14:56 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 21:51:26 -!- xelxebar has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:51:43 -!- xelxebar has joined. 22:02:48 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_raffle "Care must be taken with seafood trays given the propensity for the contents to spoil in the heat as the lucky winner continues drinking; often a friendly publican will store the tray in the fridge until the winner is sufficiently refreshed and ready to head home.[citation needed]" 22:02:53 Ah, Wikipedia, never change. 22:57:31 -!- Cale has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:36:05 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 2021-04-17: 00:11:34 One of my ideas of web browser is that extensions can be written in C or in JavaScript; they are not limited to only JavaScript. Another idea is cookie notification in the status line; if the user ignores it then the cookie is set (or not set, if cookies are disabled), but the user can push the keys to customize the cookies it just received. 00:11:51 (Cookies can also be edited later at any time.) 00:13:17 In Firefox, you can push ALT+ENTER in the location bar to open it in a new tab. With the relative location bar feature, this is useful, so this can be retained. And then, SHIFT+ENTER and CTRL+ENTER can be used for other things, such as to edit the request headers (and possibly make a POST request), or to bypass the cache. 00:14:19 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:24:02 -!- delta23 has joined. 00:34:50 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 00:35:12 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:37:39 -!- arseniiv_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:06:40 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Hmmm). 01:11:01 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 02:37:46 [[Duocentehexaquinquagesimal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82211&oldid=82210 * Makonede * (+21) 02:37:54 [[Duocentehexaquinquagesimal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82212&oldid=82211 * Makonede * (+2) 03:04:14 -!- metcalf has joined. 03:06:03 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 03:08:11 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:08:12 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 03:08:28 -!- metcalf has joined. 03:12:09 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 03:27:19 -!- deltaepsilon23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:55:21 -!- aloril has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:59:14 -!- aloril has joined. 04:26:45 -!- sftp has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:29:05 -!- sftp has joined. 04:59:19 -!- sprock has joined. 05:32:11 I wrote a program to download a specified version of a program from a fossil repository: http://sprunge.us/IHCjWI 05:32:16 Do you like this? 05:36:14 Maybe a mode should be added to verify a PGP signature. 05:51:28 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:14:39 -!- copumpkin has joined. 06:19:10 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 06:22:23 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:28:52 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:55:53 -!- contrapumpkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:14:56 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:17:43 -!- Sgeo has joined. 07:37:54 -!- Cale has joined. 07:46:33 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 07:46:57 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 07:52:28 -!- LKoen has joined. 08:07:19 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:09:57 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:43:04 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:54:23 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:16:43 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 10:32:06 Hmm, MediaWiki 1.35 bundles Extension:VisualEditor now. Wonder if that'd be worth enabling. 10:47:03 it might reduce the number of microedits a bit, and maybe people actually like it? 10:48:13 and I'm reading between the lines that users can disable it if they hate it 10:49:10 (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor#Activating_VisualEditor_by_default ... assuming you don't do the $wgHiddenPrefs[] = 'visualeditor-enable'; thing, and why would you?) 10:49:33 Yeah, AIUI you can do it on an opt-in or an opt-out basis. 10:53:42 I don't particularly care about the default. opt-out means people will actually try it out, while with opt-in it may not be used at all 10:55:04 int-e: in the bubble I live in, most people hate the visual editor 10:55:32 it's especially the users who clean up after newbies using the visual editor who hate it 10:56:54 b_jonas: Ah, do you have an example of such a cleanup? (Not urgent, I'm just wondering what kind if things would get messed up.) 10:57:41 I'm not doubting you, you're much more of a Mediawiki user than I am. 10:58:08 I, of course, still don't like visual editors, as you may surmise from my old https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=789779 10:58:43 I suspect I wouldn't like it either, but I'm happy enough if I have a knob to turn it off. 10:59:57 I guess there's the Word effect when you have visual editors (where people format text with explicit newlines and spaces) 11:00:10 (and also use every available markup at least once per page) 11:00:53 But I'm speculating. Hence the desire to see an example. :) 11:01:02 int-e https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128060 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56947 11:01:19 . o O ( phacebook ) 11:03:24 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:05:20 of course there's sort of the other side of the spectrum from visual editors, which are these modern programs that take plain text input but try to apply too much magic formatting to it, like the IRC clients that replace :p with a smiley in std::pair. The latest such overeager one I met is https://superuser.com/q/1642304/ 11:07:18 Google Chat converts ~foo~ to strikethrough formatting even when it's part of an autolinkified URL, which looks kind of funny because we have a somewhat frequently linked class of URLs that end in "XXX~YYY~ZZZ". 11:07:27 (Of course this isn't a real problem with IRC... where you can just switch to a better client.) 11:07:49 IIRC, the link still works when clicked, but of course a plaintext copy-paste just makes it XXXYYYZZZ. 11:07:50 Where "better" happens to mean "less smart". 11:07:55 Or 'smart' 11:08:49 b_jonas: Of course those two phabricator reports in conjunction demonstrate why this is a hard problem. 11:09:00 int-e: Or ‘smart’? ;) 11:09:10 fizzie: Too Unicode 11:09:30 You have to use “smart” quotes with the word smart, it's a rule. 11:09:36 b_jonas: Of course you'd never want to change [[2000]] to [[2000|2001]], but also, of course, you never want to change [[Beaver]] to [[Beavers]]. 11:09:57 fizzie: I suppose that's fair. 11:13:34 [[User:Fizzie]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82213&oldid=67187 * Fizzie * (+0) Post-upgrade edit test for 1.35.1. 11:13:51 (I didn't enable that editor, at least yet, just did the upgrade.) 11:14:32 Also I got that version wrong, it's 1.35.2. 11:17:26 fizzie: quick! to the time machine! 11:18:02 fizzie: after all, you control the wiki database and 1/3 of the public logs 11:18:36 fizzie: don't let that power go unabused 11:20:16 We have always been at war with Eastasia. 11:22:18 that reminds me, I still haven't made any progress on detonating the Sun 11:22:21 I was trying to run rebuildFileCache.php (as I do after every upgrade, to pre-populate it), and it got to "Cached page 'Les Accents Français' (id 11695)..." but then choked up by exhausting the available memory and starting to swap. I don't know if it's the page after that (whatever it is), or just something more general like a memory leak. 11:23:00 eek 11:28:10 -!- delta23 has joined. 11:28:20 -!- delta23 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:48:09 -!- LKoen has joined. 12:06:29 hi bye! 12:06:31 -!- arseniiv_ has quit (Quit: gone too far). 12:11:39 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:52:02 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 12:52:35 -!- sebbu3 has joined. 12:53:35 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:56:35 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:56:37 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:57:15 [[PREG]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82214 * EZ132 * (+1432) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=PREG |paradigms=imperative |author=[[User:EZ132]] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |memsys=register based |class=:Category:Unknown computational class|..." 12:57:29 [[PREG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82215&oldid=82214 * EZ132 * (-29) 12:59:17 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82216&oldid=82168 * EZ132 * (+11) /* P */ 13:05:31 -!- sebbu3 has changed nick to sebbu. 13:57:53 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 14:05:20 -!- hendursaga has joined. 14:09:27 -!- metcalf has joined. 14:09:50 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 14:10:09 -!- metcalf has joined. 14:13:31 -!- metcalf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:08:58 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:15:59 -!- arseniiv has joined. 15:16:31 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:35:11 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:11:59 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 17:43:01 I don't like WYSIWYG editing and I disable the VisualEditor anyways. (What might help, though, is a new attribute for