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00:14:55 <nakilon> hah, it works
00:15:19 <nakilon> b_jonas twiggle currently has 500 viewers
00:15:35 <nakilon> and it's what you get if you track all JOIN and PART https://i.imgur.com/QmlOux6.png
00:21:15 <nakilon> though it starts with number growing yet before the stream started so it looks like there are JOINs without PARTs, maybe new subscribers, idk, twitch IRC is weird
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01:46:03 <esowiki> [[AAEEEEEEEEEI]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82900&oldid=78180 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+25) Amended some orthographic mistakes.
02:07:31 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82901&oldid=82857 * ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) * (+243) 
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03:10:57 <zzo38> Recently I read that apparently USB specification includes code numbers for different golf clubs. I looked it up; it has codes for iron clubs numbered 1 to 11, but only odd numbered wood clubs (there is no code for 4 wood). Also it says that the "VCR/TV" button selects the video source for recording, which is not what it means on any VCR that I have ever seen; rather, it controls RF pass through.
03:11:53 <zzo38> (I think that USB is not very good, and that other such as RS-232, IMIDI, etc is better.)
03:16:47 <kmc> why do they have codes for golf clubs?
03:16:54 <zzo38> I don't know.
03:17:09 <kmc> is it for identifying controllers in golf simulator games?
03:17:22 <zzo38> Maybe.
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03:19:20 <zzo38> (Even so, most comptuer golf games I have played have a 4 wood club.)
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03:33:38 <nakilon>  /r/nongolfers
03:34:19 <nakilon> added some other stuff https://i.imgur.com/08VQptn.png but found no streamers interested in it, lol
03:36:22 <kmc> "Obviously, you're not a golfer"
03:36:37 <esowiki> [[Talk:Voxvy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82902 * Robolta * (+32) Created page with "I don't think this is an Esolang"
03:36:47 <kmc> what is this nakilon 
03:40:57 <esowiki> [[Talk:Voxvy]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82903&oldid=82902 * Robolta * (-32) Blanked the page
03:57:05 <nakilon> kmc analysing Twitch chat logs via their IRC interface
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04:04:09 <kmc> ah neat
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04:56:23 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82905&oldid=82904 * AndrewBayly * (-5) /* Standard Library */
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05:01:23 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82907&oldid=82906 * AndrewBayly * (-4) /* Guidelines for Implementation */
05:08:04 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82908&oldid=82907 * AndrewBayly * (+198) /* Standard Library */
05:08:51 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82909&oldid=82908 * AndrewBayly * (+8) /* Examples */
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05:30:12 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82911&oldid=82910 * AndrewBayly * (+620) /* Standard Library */
05:32:57 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82912&oldid=82911 * AndrewBayly * (+40) /* Example Programs */
05:33:31 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82913&oldid=82912 * AndrewBayly * (-8) /* Example Programs */
05:36:17 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82914&oldid=82913 * AndrewBayly * (+627) /* Example Programs */
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05:48:31 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82915&oldid=82914 * AndrewBayly * (+339) /* Example Programs */
05:49:02 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82916&oldid=82915 * AndrewBayly * (-3) /* Example Programs */
05:50:42 <esowiki> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82917&oldid=82784 * AndrewBayly * (+10) /* F */
05:52:35 <esowiki> [[Fun]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82918&oldid=82916 * AndrewBayly * (+36) /* Standard Library */
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14:16:58 <esowiki> [[Jaune]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82919&oldid=82892 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+6767) Added an implementation of a Jaune interpreter in Common Lisp and a reference to a more sophisticated version thereof under my GitHub account.
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15:10:53 <esowiki> [[FlipJump]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82920&oldid=82762 * Tomhe * (-21) temp=0 (temp is not needed anymore) syntax change
15:17:22 <int-e> . o O ( You know a puzzle is hard when you invent new notation to keep track of the puzzle state. )
15:24:12 <oerjan> and if it's really hard, the notation turns into an esolang
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15:32:50 <int-e> well, this is Recursed I'm talking about so the potential is there
15:33:30 <int-e> There's this add-on level set, https://recursed-ice-palace.github.io/
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15:36:57 <int-e> And the particular level was "The Well" which is one of the 6 "too hard" bonus levels from "A Day Out" (the box in the center of "The Ice Palace").
15:43:41 <int-e> I've been chipping away at those levels for a month now, wow.
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15:50:45 <int-e> ("the potential is there": https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.05131)
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16:34:53 <b_jonas> fungot, can you explain why "we put liver into delivery" is a bad tagline for a package delivery business?
16:34:54 <fungot> b_jonas: mr president, i am sure they will make a clear appeal for asymmetry for the benefit of the baltic sea. i stopped a person who was insured for medical care in a member state seems to have chosen to get some light on this event.
16:40:22 <int-e> heh. it's illogical; de-liver-y should be taking livers out, not putting them in.
16:40:34 <int-e> it's like making a vacuum cleaner that doesn't suck
16:43:20 <b_jonas> fungot: no you very well cannot appeal to that. Jared Diamond's geographic determinacy theory was never adequately proved by randomized experiments, and most domain scientists don't agree with it. no matter how that one book shaped the popular consciousness, we shouldn't base our policies on it. we have expert witnesses to testify on this if you wish.
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16:46:14 <fizzie> fungot: What's a good livery for a delivery van? 
16:46:14 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, under our research and development, for enlargement requires a review of current legislation on committees to be amended and we will need more detailed information on this.
16:47:43 <fizzie> By all means, let's set up a committee to investigate amending the current legislation on committees.
16:48:16 <int-e> a programmers biggest dream: larger for-s.
16:48:42 <fizzie> I guess strictly speaking it was the review of the legislation that was proposed to be amended, not the legislation itself.
16:49:27 <kmc> we need a committee to discuss the proliferation of committees
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16:49:42 <int-e> kmc: put it on the agenda... I mean in the topic? :P
16:49:46 <b_jonas> http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2018-12-06.2573.html#d.2018-12-06.2573
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16:51:05 <int-e> that particular topic has been embarrassingly long-lived
16:59:17 <int-e> almost a year. https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-05-21.html#lI
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17:00:41 <int-e> (I mean the first part. The last log has moved in the meantime and we've had 3 people accidentally setting the topic without changing it.)
17:01:19 <int-e> fungot: where can I download IRC logs from the future? esolangs.org is giving me 404 not found errors.
17:01:20 <fungot> int-e: mr president, president-in-office of the council, whom i wish all the participants. the role of a universal public service: the right people to defend the basque country and fnord and consequently for the international community's patience is running out. i understand the position of the president of the commission, together with the g7 countries, the worst of them.
17:02:55 <b_jonas> int-e: install the client from http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/git-extensions then git clone https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/
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17:07:28 <int-e> b_jonas: I don't think I want to read that.
17:07:36 <int-e> it might give me ideas
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17:22:37 <esowiki> [[BeeScript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82921 * VilgotanL * (+1373) created the page
17:29:15 <esowiki> [[Jaune]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82922&oldid=82919 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+5) /* Interpreters */ Update cat
17:44:05 <esowiki> [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82923&oldid=82804 * VilgotanL * (+16) add BeeScript to general joke languages
17:46:24 <esowiki> [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82924&oldid=82923 * VilgotanL * (+0) moved BeeScript into correct spot for alphabetical order
17:47:52 <esowiki> [[User:VilgotanL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82925&oldid=82449 * VilgotanL * (+31) add beescript
17:49:19 <fizzie> b_jonas: I have no idea why, but I keep thinking the Arthur of your link is the King Arthur of legend.
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17:55:39 <oerjan> i don't know who arthur is but i do picture him as sir humphrey of yes, minister
17:56:35 <fizzie> That's more plausible than my notion.
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18:15:57 <esowiki> [[BeeScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82926&oldid=82921 * VilgotanL * (+126) added hello world program
18:19:01 <esowiki> [[BeeScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82927&oldid=82926 * VilgotanL * (+46) minor addition
18:29:35 <esowiki> [[BeeScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82928&oldid=82927 * VilgotanL * (+68) add interpreter link
18:41:59 <esowiki> [[BeeScript]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82929&oldid=82928 * VilgotanL * (+14) change instruction names a bit
19:24:40 <b_jonas> fizzie, oerjan: I see
19:53:43 <b_jonas> int-e: and it deleted everything?
19:54:48 <int-e> b_jonas: only the stuff from the future
19:56:09 <int-e> which is now gone without trace, as if it was never there
19:56:49 <b_jonas> I see
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20:21:52 <chibi> I just read the page on feather, what's the mindboggling aspect of it?
20:26:00 <chibi> Is it the self-compiling bit?
20:28:51 <oerjan> . o O ( the mindboggling aspect is that ais523 has never defined it clearly enough for anyone else to be properly boggled by it )
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20:30:47 <oerjan> or put differently, the most mindboggling aspect is presumably in that part which he hasn't told anyone clearly about, because he hasn't completely figured it out himself. although last i heard he said he'd concluded is was basically impossible.
20:31:51 <oerjan> then again i didn't pay much attention for the last year or so. maybe i should recheck.
20:33:39 <oerjan> oh the page hasn't changed since i last edited it
20:34:59 <imode> ...
20:35:01 <chibi> The self compiling aspect is a bit unusual but it's been done before, even with non-esolangs. The OOP retroactive updates thing ais523 is cool, but not impossible either
20:35:04 <imode> feather?
20:35:27 <imode> lmao fuck off that's my language.
20:35:28 <oerjan> chibi: the thing is that the retroactive updates apply to the self compiler as well
20:36:21 <chibi> Ah? 
20:37:05 <chibi> So like, there's no clear bootloader? Or?
20:37:17 <oerjan> there's an infinite tower of compilers, all the way down, and all can be retroactively updated
20:37:24 <imode> you make a language change, it changes the previous changes.
20:37:58 <oerjan> iirc
20:38:52 <imode> thing is, A isn't satisfiable, because you always need something to interpret the language.
20:39:24 <imode> but you can write that interpreter in the language... and then use that to generate the interpreter for a particular platform.
20:40:10 <chibi> So, building a bootloader for the language would violate the specification, because that bootloader can't be retroactively changed? 
20:40:33 <imode> not from within the language, iirc.
20:41:01 <oerjan> i think ais523 originally hoped it could still be implemented by a bootloader that implements the entire tower of compilers at once
20:41:57 <chibi> I think I getcha, but I might also be dumb and just not entirely grok--Ooh, sorta like mascarpone?
20:47:46 <oerjan> well i'm already speculating more than remembering
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21:09:32 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82932&oldid=82931 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-16) Scary
21:10:30 <esowiki> [[Fun]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82933&oldid=82918 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+801) Turing-completeness; cats
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