< 1621036867 877552 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621037141 824148 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1621037276 679898 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621037557 590281 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621038143 785107 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621038386 655753 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621041019 832458 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1621041392 918070 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621041692 820678 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1621043109 651511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1621044639 647886 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621044916 560669 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621046132 357519 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I write a program (included in Farbfeld Utilities) to make tartan pattern, but currenly the thread count notation described at https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/threadcount is not yet implemented. For one thing, there are multiple RGB colours with the same alphabetic code, and I don't know what to do about that. Do you know how to do it? < 1621047477 862583 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iktbyznnjwficzkj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1621048852 76476 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621049099 106089 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1621050498 774819 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Caenbe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82934&oldid=76256 5* 03Caenbe 5* (-71) 10 > 1621050576 794375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!aBF'14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82935&oldid=82519 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+52) 10In case this needed specifying > 1621050760 399636 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82936&oldid=76074 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+43) 10Slightly improved wording < 1621052097 538463 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621052379 533883 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621053572 78095 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621054110 783854 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621061867 920210 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621063689 531099 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621066341 804043 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621066573 786939 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1621067451 937584 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621068653 937013 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621069104 657388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621069111 497566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, you've got me thinking about Feather again < 1621069116 752266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there are two main hard parts: < 1621069178 358060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) it has to look like, from the point of view of any program running in the language, you can change the containing interpreter, or its interpreter, or its interpreter, etc. (this may mean retroactively inventing an extra layer of interpreters around the program, but that isn't really any harder than other source of retroactive change) < 1621069196 252194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) but much more complicated, you need to avoid retroactive changes immediately creating an infinite regress < 1621069224 672257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean, say we add a new debug feature to the outside interpreter, the outside interpreter then replays everything it's done so far, but then it reaches the code to add the debug feature < 1621069263 293507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, somehow it has to skip doing that because the feature's there already: if it did the retroactive change again, and we recalculated what that did again, it would just lead to an infinite loop and the program would never make progress < 1621069321 647062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow, whatever technique we use to avoid the infinite regress has to work at every level of abstraction at the same time (including if the number of levels of abstraction we're simulating gets retroactively changed) < 1621069429 958393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and because retroactive changes involve replacing an older object with a newer one, we then need to take account of the fact that the technique we're using has to deal with objects that were created by interpreters which could have been in quite a different state at the time, or have since been changed to do something entirely different, or hadn't been tracking retroactive changes that have since been made < 1621069457 358097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all the sort of thing that initially seems like it should be easy, until you write it out and realise the scale of the problem (and how difficult it will be to even just define the problem) < 1621069559 926329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the multinational league for esoteric programming proliferation, protection, and protestation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D https://github.com/kspalaiologos/esologs/ < 1621069566 760652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a typo in an URL in the topic andn obody noticed < 1621069624 191494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chibi: ^ > 1621069792 22140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Feather14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82937&oldid=69966 5* 03Ais523 5* (+116) 10there is another Feather-related log now, so mention it here so that we can find it in the future < 1621069895 195787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps I'm the crazy/over-optimistic one for assuming it should be easy :-D < 1621070363 996090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1621070704 786438 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621070870 719411 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621070884 840719 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621079149 281997 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, by retroactively change the interpreter, do you mean redo all the computations? I thought you just wanted to replace functions and classes immediately for the computations going forward, even if the program already has first-class closures and stack frames from those functions or instances of those classes, such that you replace the code but keep the associated data like closure upvalues < 1621079155 237257 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stack frame temporaries and class instance members, and the problem with that was that you get uninitialized variables that the new functions or classes expect to exist and fulfill some invariant but the old functions or classes didn't yet have. < 1621080156 121514 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why you don't want to do that in Feather, but retroactively recompute everything. < 1621080930 607190 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621081005 27010 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But recomputing everything has its own problems. The outputs of the program might retroactively change, including error messages and prompts, and so the inputs might not make sense anymore. You'd have to rerun the entire external world too, with a time machine. < 1621081585 913978 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621081915 274888 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently you don't want to just be able to change any part of the code retroactively, you want to be able to change any object retroactively, though I'm not sure what that means, but in exchange you want objects to be immutable. < 1621081925 254063 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know that sounds silly.) < 1621081989 6474 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your primitive is changing the contents of an object retroactively, and you want to use this for changing code by changing objects that are interpreted as code? < 1621082564 928898 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621082860 145562 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621082949 115234 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1621082949 550276 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1621083607 843291 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621085709 614918 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1621085716 595375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jedgrei 5* 10New user account < 1621089819 169512 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbpjbbtirknbijsk JOIN :#esoteric < 1621089938 11529 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1621090044 119580 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1621091956 588730 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621092634 6452 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621093056 92483 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621095378 407476 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621095647 341797 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621095924 853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82938&oldid=82936 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+3) 10 < 1621096185 887296 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1621096294 758386 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621096457 964391 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621096475 353112 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621097029 208434 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621097045 447916 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621097359 886114 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621098871 268926 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621099009 791656 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1621100010 928915 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621100047 974533 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621100310 930448 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621100899 378609 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0030b702bc5b5d599b.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621101064 599740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621101556 946788 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks for mentioning Recursed, will try out, and that custom pack then too, hopefully < 1621101738 22207 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621102004 963093 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621102892 753300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: heh I'm looking forward to the curses :P < 1621103015 256233 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there will be ε₀ of them < 1621103030 69744 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I manage. which I won’t) < 1621103183 202972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: when you've counted to epsilon_0 you can proceed to well-ordering the reals < 1621103400 936538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Add-on levels for Recursed? < 1621103406 767094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard about this. < 1621103462 143968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://recursed-ice-palace.github.io/ < 1621103505 164908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw now. I guess I shouldn't have used the question mark. < 1621103586 467810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they didn't exist when we got into Recursed. I only discovered it because I revisted the game to finally reach 100%. < 1621103746 779084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Before that I was missing 6 gems (3 amethysts, 2 rubyes, one diamond) in the Last Tapestry) < 1621103757 131699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubies. < 1621103772 455791 :ghosthell!~ghosthell@pool-173-48-112-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621103776 718151 :ghosthell!~ghosthell@pool-173-48-112-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1621103862 832492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the latest updates in int-e style puzzle games? < 1621103939 207476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was it, really. I played Portal Reloaded which was fun too, but not all that hard. < 1621103973 123393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still have not completely expedited the monsters. < 1621104019 378350 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I could, I could! < 1621104119 430011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, did you play Vertebrae? https://www.puzzlescript.net/play.html?p=ce2474f62432e2a703bba3fb65f5b01f < 1621104142 1591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember whether I mentioned it here. < 1621104439 815363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you've mentioned it. Hmm. "insert cartridge" < 1621104519 123086 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it works in a fresh browser profile, sigh. < 1621104783 626090 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621104857 918747 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621104876 347860 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621104956 159239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is there supposed to be more than one level? < 1621105095 644276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now it works? weird. < 1621105129 622529 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621105146 474704 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621105271 6968 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ahh, I see now, yeah. < 1621105368 876145 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw a paper floating around that was about reducing compiler stacks in the context of something like JVM into Python into LLVM into x86 < 1621105442 930483 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's the same sort of deal would work for a meta compiler < 1621105457 869770 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621105472 410697 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621105729 530159 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621105746 316329 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621107782 855346 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "int-e style puzzle games" means? Have you tried to make up your own puzzle game too? < 1621107858 28282 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621107874 452639 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621108129 336194 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621108147 353244 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621108457 901573 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621108475 334104 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621108729 321975 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621108744 309787 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621108916 2227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean the kind of puzzle game int-e likes. < 1621109021 406253 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but which kind of puzzle games would that be? How would it be described? < 1621109056 379695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. I guess int-e is the expert, not me. < 1621109067 272804 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is probably correct. < 1621109226 950779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh no, there's a fourth vertebrae < 1621109302 70227 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: usualy turn-based, minimalistic (relying on emergent complexity instead of tricky building blocks) < 1621109304 155688 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621109308 543552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*usually < 1621109354 131532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, block pushing is one of the most common ways to achieve that < 1621109457 502942 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OK. I also like turn-based puzzle games < 1621109458 965226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Hmm, did you play Fidel? < 1621109468 130033 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1621109482 114198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's randomly-generated rather than hand-designed puzzles, but you might like it. < 1621109756 664585 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played Gruniozerca 3 or Gruniozerca 2? (Unfortunately, not purely turn-based, but it mostly is) < 1621109766 476955 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Hero Hearts? < 1621109917 208426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now if you don't pick up the 4th vertebra and move to stage 11... do you lose? < 1621110065 263665 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621110165 796724 :5EXAAFHD7!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621110304 34050 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also like each level to be isolated from the others, and that you can try them in any order.) < 1621110783 279304 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621112578 437111 :5EXAAFHD7!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621112614 838383 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621112720 738326 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wee I got crushed < 1621112803 658883 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0030b702bc5b5d599b.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1621113361 590052 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like that too, or don't? < 1621113635 521590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/v11.png is impossible ;) < 1621113656 790279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm giving up) < 1621113667 831464 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621113746 654631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 1/2 hours is enough for a game that I didn't really intend to play :P < 1621113791 931189 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621113799 114681 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1621113966 499198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but it is definitely cute < 1621113998 272170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how far I got. < 1621114008 228979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently 11 is a popular one to get stuck on: https://twitter.com/zwegner/status/1275686437611020294 < 1621114057 859181 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah (obviously?) I was kidding... somehow, most game designers don't put unsolvable puzzles into their games. < 1621114161 592937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fidel, Fidel... this one? https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fidel-dungeon-rescue < 1621114171 643605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, of course. < 1621114182 598490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the one. < 1621114306 684757 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm indifferent to it, it was just a new part of the game mechanics to discover. < 1621114374 173528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :potentially relevant to the solution... well obviously you don't want to get crushed yourself... but you might crush a vertebra and benefit from it < 1621114378 465259 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't want unsolvable puzzles in a puzzle game, but in other computer games, it might be suitable sometimes that some of the puzzles might be unsolvable (or puzzles where solving them makes the game unwinnable, etc). < 1621114407 164320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hated the old Sierra adventure games for that :P < 1621114457 938123 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621114467 44022 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621114475 359802 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621114729 335980 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621114747 387905 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621114757 633341 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hmm, I suspect I enjoy handcrafted puzzles more... even when they have limited replay value < 1621114800 673307 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. i'm having a blast with more advanced sudoku variants < 1621115031 144617 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Hero Mesh does not yet include the function to make randomly generated puzzles, although it might be something to be added in future, maybe. (For one thing, this would require knowing how the format for defining this should be working.) < 1621115087 239262 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, it isn't for games such as sudoku anyways; for puzzles like that, should be an entirely different program to make up such puzzles with constraints of filling in the puzzle; it is a different game.) < 1621117219 458710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: funny, vertabrae level 7 is different on itch.io < 1621117694 210955 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/v07.png (itch.io version is on the left) < 1621117763 918630 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and may require the same trick that I failed to find on level 11 :P < 1621118057 950341 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621118075 490852 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621118629 350553 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621118647 497437 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621119473 537943 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :made a small gift of Recursed to my friend, as it costs almost nothing right now < 1621119626 1741 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1621119727 991183 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :today was an exhausting day for my poor psyche. I struggle to sokoban my immediate surroundings into good place but it’s nigh impossible with too many knots of various kinds, social, technical, logistic. Ended up just simply dewooling a sofa of cat fur. That wasn’t immediate at all but it ended up simplest of all, as it needed just me and a brush, and not being perfectionist as that’s one of the favorite places for my cat anyway < 1621119802 554368 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wasn’t as satisfying as fixing major things would be < 1621119810 406645 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :define fixing major things. < 1621119832 33240 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many, I don’t want to force my life on you < 1621119839 663768 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my lack of life :D < 1621120344 343557 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621120667 496269 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a nutshell the general story is that I was prepared for a life which doesn’t happen (their models were poor and I don’t know how they got jobs and all) and then I was left, mal-adapted, with this, and I need to change myself somehow so that I can shamelessly write my résumé finally and get a work. But I can’t and I think I might have minor depression for a year or two and I can’t clean up all the clutter in the flat becaus < 1621120667 645136 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :e it’s not all mine and I can’t avoid hearing TV and it depresses and angers me and I think my knowledge is shallow, and I dropped out several years ago and don’t want to return and I can’t finish my own projects to place their code somewhere and a link to the future résumé and all the things, many details, I have almost no friends in the geografic vicinity, just friends outside but they couldn’t be able to help me with stu < 1621120667 645179 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff here and all topping it off I’m blessed with great myopia right from the start and I have a little endocrynal problem which maybe fixed itself somehow but I blame my lack of motivation on it. And this damn country is bad for people in statistical tails like me. I wonder how do people with real physical deficiences live here at all but this doesn’t help my case by any means. Maybe I was just unlucky too many times, I don’t know, < 1621120667 645210 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hard to try to plot some course and make goals and all that now. I steer away from stressful things and résumé is stressful because it should ideally be blank and who wants me with a blank one, who’s interested in my unfinished understanding of hyperbolic spaces < 1621120737 575469 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I don’t think it will help anyone but I tried to express what it feels all at once, though it’s not unbiased and it shouldn’t ideally be logged but I knew what I did < 1621120827 436497 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t even prove to myself my baseline is not good as I’m quite often cheerful, and intend to continue that, but I have to solve all that at some moment and I can’t < 1621120885 177461 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these knots is I maybe could solve thing A and thing B if I solved things C and D but they are all interdependent < 1621120968 292252 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing with abstract mathematical things is way more forgiving < 1621121010 841624 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can stow them away and they don’t mind < 1621121021 989186 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to be sorry for this < 1621121070 33989 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to be sorry for this? < 1621121301 818096 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621121497 592505 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yyyyikes, I thought they were in academia and at least had some kind of refuge. < 1621121610 110373 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have myopia, and my self confidence was shot for several years. < 1621121795 745390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is complicated < 1621121821 744557 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard living life without any real-life friends. > 1621122173 389141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FakeScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82939 5* 03JanMakuwe 5* (+1815) 10Created page with "'''FakeScript''' is an esolang created by [[User:JanMakuwe]]. The language was meant to be relatively easy to implement for both JanMakuwe and others who don't know much about..." < 1621122514 721766 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would thue look like with a modifiable rule store, I wonder. < 1621122533 90579 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621122557 962152 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621122573 354629 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621122824 78705 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1621122829 411321 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621122845 386325 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621123179 979757 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Struffoli14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82940&oldid=81064 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+16) 10