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00:02:44 <zzo38> Yes, although it still fails to answer the question what they will intend to do next. Although, maybe the Libera IRC will do; hopefully ifthe change can be properly managed from the channels (by setting topic messages or other messages to indicate it, by moving the bots and logs and managing their conversion properly, etc) then it can work.
00:02:46 <esowiki> [[Num]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83100&oldid=83099 * AndrewBayly * (+1) /* Main */
00:07:46 <kmc> zzo38: yes, it's true; trust is a very multifaceted thing
00:16:30 <esowiki> [[User:Icecream17/Arbitrary]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83101 * Icecream17 * (+512) Created page with "'''Icecream17/Arbitrary''' is ridiculous The following is subject to change {| class="wikitable" |+ Static programs |- ! Bits !! Hexadecimal source code !! What the source c..."
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00:37:30 <b_jonas> so, anyone wants to grab cool nicknames of gullible people who think the best IT security practice for protecting their sensitive data is to listen to angry kline messages and drop their nickname registration?
00:37:41 <b_jonas> there might be nice short ones up to grabs
00:44:12 <zzo38> Now I changed the Four and Eight keywords in Free Hero Mesh to Rook and Queen instead, and I also added Bishop, too. Hopefully, this is better than how it was before; do you think?
00:46:04 <Sgeo> What problems could malicious staff cause with my NickServ data, assuming my password is unique to Freenode?
00:46:26 <Sgeo> Although not sure how private my memos are
00:46:54 <zzo38> Sgeo: I don't know; much of the data is public anyways I think. If you disable memos and use a distinct email address, then I doubt much can be done with it.
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03:19:18 <zzo38> Does any web browser display a indicator in the status line when there are messages in the web developer console, even if it is not currently opened?
03:52:23 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83103&oldid=82807 * New Army * (-63) The link doesn't seem to be dead.
03:54:24 <esowiki> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83104&oldid=83098 * New Army * (+187) /* LifeWiki links */
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04:17:07 <imode> lee posted a notice lmao.
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04:45:15 <imode> http://hermit1.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/fnwut
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05:15:57 <arseniiv> hi let this day be nice to everyone!
05:40:19 <les-citrons> wow, apparently upheaval is happening in freenode world
05:41:04 <les-citrons> however, I am seeing announcements from multiple operating system projects that they are moving away from freenode
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05:45:28 <myname> les-citrons: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future
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07:38:20 <jix> not that I've been particularly active here in the last 15 years, but if this channel moves to either oftc or libera I'll also move my idling over
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15:29:51 <phhh> what's going on here with this massive freenode drama
15:30:18 <int-e> If by "here" you mean #esoteric, see https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future
15:30:20 <Taneb> phhh: discussion in Esolang talk:Community portal on the wiki
15:30:49 <Taneb> There's a few of us sitting in ##esoteric on libera
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15:31:16 <int-e> b_jonas grabbed #esoteric on oftc
15:31:19 <phhh> definitely think we should demand #esoteric on libera
15:31:33 <int-e> phhh: it's under our control too
15:31:33 <phhh> this channel is an ancient and proud one
15:31:57 <int-e> phhh: but fizzie decided to go with ##esoteric and was first so I made #esoteric forward to ##esoteric
15:32:05 <phhh> its name is integral to the matrix of solidity
15:32:18 <int-e> ##esoteric has twice as much matrix
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15:32:55 <fizzie> My proposal for a Libera community would be #esolangs (and #esolangs-*) rather than #esoteric.
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15:33:13 <int-e> phhh: anyway, it's a totally separate discussion and somewhat related to the community idea
15:33:18 <phhh> but #esoteric is where the *tradition* is!!
15:33:27 <fizzie> Yeah, I'm aware it's the boring opinion that I have.
15:33:32 <int-e> I'd miss the joke though.
15:33:58 <imode1> they took my nickname away.
15:34:09 <imode1> I can't swap to imode.
15:34:20 <imode1> imode: Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
15:35:03 <phhh> fizzie i will resign over this
15:35:08 <fizzie> A cloak with `esolangs` in it would make more sense to me than one with `esoteric` in it.
15:35:34 <int-e> imode1: real mature
15:35:37 <phhh> what about the sense of mystery
15:36:47 <imode1> that is fucking hilarious.
15:37:11 <imode1> if that doesn't give any of you an indication of where this network is headed, I don't know what will.
15:38:00 <phhh> an important reminder that the domain name is often the single most important piece of property associated with an internet thing
15:39:04 <esowiki> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83114&oldid=83107 * Taneb * (+360)
15:39:14 <phhh> shit man we won't have aloril around on libera.chat
15:46:46 <imode1> been on this network since 06.
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15:47:35 <phhh> i don't get why, if lee literally only owns the domain, the other faction hasn't just pointed a different domain name to the same servers and cut him off
15:48:46 <int-e> phhh: I think they have to convince each sponsor individually, since they think they're sponsoring Freenode.
15:48:57 <int-e> for better or worse
15:50:13 <int-e> And reading between the line the user data got sold too so they couldn't just take existing nickname registrations and channels without risking a legal fight? Or maybe they wanted a fresh start. Or both.
15:50:33 <int-e> It's easy to speculate, hard to know :P
15:51:00 <phhh> well they were pretty clear that lee owns literally none of the infrastructure except the domain name
15:51:12 <Taneb> phhh: they'd also need to change everyone's client configuration to point to the new domain
15:51:34 <phhh> yes, which they could effectively mobilise people to do by breaking freenode.org
15:51:58 <Taneb> Also it should be fairly clear which side has the better lawyers
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16:18:37 <fizzie> I would imagine the servers are sponsored by organizations that make decisions at a slightly slower rate than "in hours". But I'm curious to see if and how many of them decide to abandon freenode.
16:20:18 <fizzie> I was actually trying to squint at https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode in case something's happened already, but I think it's just dropped by one so far.
16:21:24 <fizzie> (And that can just be the usual noise.)
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16:37:40 <Guest75150> Im moving to libera but staying on freenode as well
16:37:58 <Guest75150> Im going to need hard evidence before i abandon freenode
16:39:49 <mniip> Taneb, unfortunately it's not about the lawyers
16:40:02 <mniip> the sale contract was pretty specific
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16:56:23 <nakilon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libera_Chat
16:56:35 <nakilon> Founded19 May 2021; 1 day ago
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17:00:42 <nakilon> During last connections to libera.chat its servers reported an average of 9271 users and 8823 chat rooms
17:01:55 <nakilon> must be very chatty in there
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17:09:30 <mniip> did you know people can be in multiple channels
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18:27:22 <zzo38> If Lee only owns the domain name, and the DNS isn't changed, then it might not cause a problem unless you are using TLS, maybe, since I don't know if the certificate will remain valid.
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18:34:35 <zzo38> (But, I don't know if the DNS would be changed in future, anyways.)
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18:43:37 <Guest75150> Peronally i have to side with the freenode ownerr. These volunteers have made a WHOLE bunch of claims that have yet to be substianiated
18:44:26 <Guest75150> Whats wrong with a company sponsoring Freenode? People think freenode is cheap to run
18:44:39 <Guest75150> As long as the network stays fee thats all that matters
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19:14:55 <myname> people don't think freenode is cheap to run, but the domain owner does not pay anything
19:15:37 <myname> also, he doesn't really have any reason to own the domain
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20:21:38 <int-e> myname: which is why he's waving around a contract
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20:23:07 <myname> i don't say he doesn't have the rights
20:23:28 <myname> he just doesn't need to own it
20:24:38 <myname> and as somebody that knows one of the ex-staffers that got legal pressure personally, and also regarding lees history, i am way more inclined to believe the staffers
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20:32:08 <fizzie> SUNET has seen fit to sponsor the new thing, that's good enough for me. ;) I don't know, there's something more natural about an IRC server hosted by a university thing, that's how IRC servers *should* be.
20:33:03 <int-e> What swayed me was sheer numbers. At one point in time, 4 staffers were left in #freenode, that was pathetic, especially since one of them was Lee himself...
20:33:39 <myname> it does say something that all of the old staffers acted together
20:33:56 <int-e> And there's that story about snoonet...
20:35:17 <myname> i never heard about snoonet before that whole freenet thing
20:35:19 <int-e> So I'm pretty sure the staffers are morally right. I'm mostly worried about Libera itself failing somehow, say, through lack of sponsors. Nothing I can substantiate, they're just new.
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21:43:55 <fizzie> FireFly: For the record, I was basing that 100% on the publicly visible fact that iridium.libera.chat says "provided by NORDUnet/SUNET" and is in their network. https://netsplit.de/servers/details.php?host=iridium.libera.chat
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21:51:13 <FireFly> I mean, checks out; NORDUnet did (does?) sponsor a server on freenode
21:54:24 <fizzie> wolfe.freenode.net (which I think is/was theirs) doesn't seem to be answering me at the moment, whatever that means. I think I had that on my explicit-for-no-reason server list for geographical closeness to Finland, before moving.
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22:14:28 <zzo38> There are a number of features that I would not want (or that I would want, but are not implemented) for setting up my own IRC channels, but for some others it can do.
22:31:46 <HackEso> The Realm of Freenode is our homeland. The Chännel dwells in it since... Uhm... Quite a few years ago?
22:34:14 <fungot> b_jonas: mr president, i think that that is not necessary to import such wines from third countries may have to set the seal on this debate in the national parliaments should be the new government has been agreed upon by the council to adopt a general plan for humanitarian aid or the request for a repeat vote during the may part-session, which says that we should deal with the spread of animal diseases with a cap that, in the w
22:34:32 <int-e> `learn libera Libera is the land of the future. Maybe.
22:34:35 <HackEso> Learned 'libera': libera Libera is the land of the future. Maybe.
22:34:45 <int-e> `learn Libera is the land of the future. Maybe.
22:34:48 <HackEso> Relearned 'libera': Libera is the land of the future. Maybe.
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22:55:11 <zzo38> I suppose that we can see if it comes to any problems in Freenode, and if so then it can be moved to Libera, but even right away the log and other handling should be prepared in case the move is necessary in future. (If the program supports that, it can also be moved to others too if that somehow becomes necessary, I suppose.)
22:56:06 <int-e> zzo38: I think fizzie is just blowing his copious free time on exactly that
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23:01:11 <fizzie> Well, not entirely, but I did do a little bit of it. At least the log collection, if not the presentation.
23:02:24 <fizzie> If we do want to keep channels in both networks connected by a bridge for some nontrivial amount of time, I could be convinced to do that over the esowiki/esolangs bot pair.
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