00:00:10 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:02:20 [[Num]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83099&oldid=83049 * AndrewBayly * (-3751) /* Main */ 00:02:44 Yes, although it still fails to answer the question what they will intend to do next. Although, maybe the Libera IRC will do; hopefully ifthe change can be properly managed from the channels (by setting topic messages or other messages to indicate it, by moving the bots and logs and managing their conversion properly, etc) then it can work. 00:02:46 [[Num]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83100&oldid=83099 * AndrewBayly * (+1) /* Main */ 00:07:46 zzo38: yes, it's true; trust is a very multifaceted thing 00:16:30 [[User:Icecream17/Arbitrary]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83101 * Icecream17 * (+512) Created page with "'''Icecream17/Arbitrary''' is ridiculous The following is subject to change {| class="wikitable" |+ Static programs |- ! Bits !! Hexadecimal source code !! What the source c..." 00:36:03 -!- Cale has left ("Leaving"). 00:37:30 so, anyone wants to grab cool nicknames of gullible people who think the best IT security practice for protecting their sensitive data is to listen to angry kline messages and drop their nickname registration? 00:37:41 there might be nice short ones up to grabs 00:37:49 * pikhq rolls her eyes 00:44:12 Now I changed the Four and Eight keywords in Free Hero Mesh to Rook and Queen instead, and I also added Bishop, too. Hopefully, this is better than how it was before; do you think? 00:46:04 What problems could malicious staff cause with my NickServ data, assuming my password is unique to Freenode? 00:46:26 Although not sure how private my memos are 00:46:54 Sgeo: I don't know; much of the data is public anyways I think. If you disable memos and use a distinct email address, then I doubt much can be done with it. 00:49:48 -!- tromp has joined. 00:54:56 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 00:56:09 -!- tromp has joined. 01:00:14 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:09:11 -!- tromp has joined. 01:10:39 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:10:40 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:13:01 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * CiaaiK * New user account 01:14:07 -!- stux|RC-- has quit (Quit: Aloha!). 01:14:52 -!- stux|RC has joined. 01:14:56 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:24:57 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 02:00:00 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:04:43 -!- tromp has joined. 02:08:50 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:12:44 [[Finites at Fredy's]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83102 * Salpynx * (+4732) This was _supposed_ to be a parody, but has become more of an uninspiring, but accurate, review. "Fair use" either way. 02:28:53 -!- chibi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:58:48 -!- tromp has joined. 03:03:30 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:04:13 -!- tromp has joined. 03:07:52 -!- metcalf has joined. 03:08:49 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:11:59 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 03:12:16 -!- metcalf has joined. 03:15:05 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 03:15:11 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:15:29 -!- ripfreenode has changed nick to iovoid. 03:17:33 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 03:19:18 Does any web browser display a indicator in the status line when there are messages in the web developer console, even if it is not currently opened? 03:52:23 [[Esolang:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83103&oldid=82807 * New Army * (-63) The link doesn't seem to be dead. 03:54:24 [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83104&oldid=83098 * New Army * (+187) /* LifeWiki links */ 04:00:03 -!- tromp has joined. 04:04:20 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:07:04 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Quit: leaving). 04:17:07 lee posted a notice lmao. 04:20:38 -!- arseniiv has joined. 04:26:51 loll 04:31:13 fuck that. 04:44:52 How come neither side has any evj 04:44:56 evidence 04:45:05 -!- xelxebar has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:45:15 http://hermit1.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/fnwut 04:45:17 among other logs. 04:45:32 -!- xelxebar has joined. 04:54:15 -!- tromp has joined. 04:58:14 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 04:58:38 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:15:57 hi let this day be nice to everyone! 05:40:19 wow, apparently upheaval is happening in freenode world 05:40:25 I am not particularly 05:40:44 tuned in to the operation of freenode 05:41:04 however, I am seeing announcements from multiple operating system projects that they are moving away from freenode 05:42:04 -!- 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[[User:Batata]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83110&oldid=83109 * Batata * (-3) 12:24:31 [[User:Batata]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83111&oldid=83110 * Batata * (+43) 12:25:55 [[User:Batata]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83112&oldid=83111 * Batata * (+14) 12:26:03 [[User:Batata]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83113&oldid=83112 * Batata * (-2) 12:35:37 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:50:57 -!- tromp has joined. 13:00:04 -!- hendursaga has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer). 13:00:05 -!- xelxebar has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:00:24 -!- xelxebar has joined. 13:00:41 -!- hendursaga has joined. 13:15:42 -!- metcalf has joined. 13:21:18 -!- iovoid has quit (Quit: iovoid has quit!). 13:24:41 -!- sech1p has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:28:32 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 13:28:51 -!- metcalf has joined. 13:34:47 -!- iovoid has joined. 14:02:35 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 14:02:50 -!- metcalf has joined. 14:02:54 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:04:31 -!- tromp has joined. 14:07:06 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 14:07:23 -!- metcalf has joined. 14:16:38 -!- dionys has left. 14:24:52 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:35:43 -!- Cybertech has joined. 14:49:11 -!- Cybertech has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:50:52 -!- iovoid has quit (Quit: iovoid has quit!). 14:57:34 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 14:57:52 -!- metcalf has joined. 15:02:06 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 15:02:22 -!- metcalf has joined. 15:06:38 -!- iovoid has joined. 15:11:12 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:14:17 -!- tromp has joined. 15:28:49 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:29:32 -!- phhh has joined. 15:29:41 so uh 15:29:51 what's going on here with this massive freenode drama 15:30:18 If by "here" you mean #esoteric, see https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future 15:30:20 phhh: discussion in Esolang talk:Community portal on the wiki 15:30:49 There's a few of us sitting in ##esoteric on libera 15:30:51 -!- imode has joined. 15:31:15 -!- imode has changed nick to Guest11521. 15:31:16 b_jonas grabbed #esoteric on oftc 15:31:19 definitely think we should demand #esoteric on libera 15:31:33 phhh: it's under our control too 15:31:33 this channel is an ancient and proud one 15:31:57 phhh: but fizzie decided to go with ##esoteric and was first so I made #esoteric forward to ##esoteric 15:32:05 its name is integral to the matrix of solidity 15:32:18 ##esoteric has twice as much matrix 15:32:35 -!- Guest11521 has quit (Client Quit). 15:32:55 My proposal for a Libera community would be #esolangs (and #esolangs-*) rather than #esoteric. 15:32:57 -!- imode1 has joined. 15:33:13 Despite the history. 15:33:13 phhh: anyway, it's a totally separate discussion and somewhat related to the community idea 15:33:18 but #esoteric is where the *tradition* is!! 15:33:27 Yeah, I'm aware it's the boring opinion that I have. 15:33:32 I'd miss the joke though. 15:33:50 oh my actual god. 15:33:53 I called out Lee. 15:33:58 they took my nickname away. 15:34:07 lmao 15:34:09 I can't swap to imode. 15:34:20 imode: Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable 15:35:03 fizzie i will resign over this 15:35:08 lol 15:35:08 A cloak with `esolangs` in it would make more sense to me than one with `esoteric` in it. 15:35:34 imode1: real mature 15:35:37 what about the sense of mystery 15:36:47 that is fucking hilarious. 15:37:11 if that doesn't give any of you an indication of where this network is headed, I don't know what will. 15:38:00 an important reminder that the domain name is often the single most important piece of property associated with an internet thing 15:39:04 [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83114&oldid=83107 * Taneb * (+360) 15:39:14 shit man we won't have aloril around on libera.chat 15:46:41 so long, freenode. 15:46:46 been on this network since 06. 15:46:52 was a wild ride. 15:46:59 see y'all on libera. 15:47:02 -!- imode1 has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.1). 15:47:35 i don't get why, if lee literally only owns the domain, the other faction hasn't just pointed a different domain name to the same servers and cut him off 15:48:46 phhh: I think they have to convince each sponsor individually, since they think they're sponsoring Freenode. 15:48:57 for better or worse 15:50:13 And reading between the line the user data got sold too so they couldn't just take existing nickname registrations and channels without risking a legal fight? Or maybe they wanted a fresh start. Or both. 15:50:33 It's easy to speculate, hard to know :P 15:51:00 well they were pretty clear that lee owns literally none of the infrastructure except the domain name 15:51:12 phhh: they'd also need to change everyone's client configuration to point to the new domain 15:51:34 yes, which they could effectively mobilise people to do by breaking freenode.org 15:51:58 Also it should be fairly clear which side has the better lawyers 15:52:40 s/has/can afford/ 15:52:54 hmm, or both 15:52:58 probably both 15:53:55 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:06:28 -!- iovoid has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 16:08:44 -!- iovoid has joined. 16:09:57 -!- tromp has joined. 16:17:21 -!- phhh has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 16:18:37 I would imagine the servers are sponsored by organizations that make decisions at a slightly slower rate than "in hours". But I'm curious to see if and how many of them decide to abandon freenode. 16:20:18 I was actually trying to squint at https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode in case something's happened already, but I think it's just dropped by one so far. 16:21:24 (And that can just be the usual noise.) 16:21:57 -!- xelxebar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:22:55 -!- xelxebar has joined. 16:32:34 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 16:32:52 -!- metcalf has joined. 16:37:06 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 16:37:22 -!- metcalf has joined. 16:37:40 Im moving to libera but staying on freenode as well 16:37:58 Im going to need hard evidence before i abandon freenode 16:39:49 Taneb, unfortunately it's not about the lawyers 16:40:02 the sale contract was pretty specific 16:53:07 -!- jix has left ("part"). 16:56:23 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libera_Chat 16:56:35 Founded19 May 2021; 1 day ago 16:56:44 Average users10,000 16:56:50 lol 16:57:34 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 16:57:50 -!- metcalf has joined. 17:00:42 During last connections to libera.chat its servers reported an average of 9271 users and 8823 chat rooms 17:00:54 1 channel per user 17:00:56 ahahah 17:01:55 must be very chatty in there 17:02:06 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 17:02:24 -!- metcalf has joined. 17:02:32 -!- LKoen has joined. 17:09:30 did you know people can be in multiple channels 17:10:14 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:13:27 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 17:26:30 * nakilon moved the esolang categories daily scraper from Github's Actions to Google Cloud's Run + Scheduler 17:27:27 -!- tromp has joined. 17:29:10 -!- olsner has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 17:38:09 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:49:01 -!- tromp has joined. 18:02:17 -!- metcalf has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:02:35 -!- metcalf has joined. 18:03:21 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:27:22 If Lee only owns the domain name, and the DNS isn't changed, then it might not cause a problem unless you are using TLS, maybe, since I don't know if the certificate will remain valid. 18:33:44 -!- tromp has joined. 18:34:35 (But, I don't know if the DNS would be changed in future, anyways.) 18:34:42 -!- imode1 has joined. 18:37:13 -!- imode1 has changed nick to imode. 18:37:48 -!- imode has quit (Client Quit). 18:43:37 Peronally i have to side with the freenode ownerr. These volunteers have made a WHOLE bunch of claims that have yet to be substianiated 18:44:26 Whats wrong with a company sponsoring Freenode? People think freenode is cheap to run 18:44:39 As long as the network stays fee thats all that matters 18:46:29 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:47:57 -!- xelxebar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:48:04 -!- arseniiv has joined. 18:48:36 -!- xelxebar has joined. 18:56:50 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 18:56:58 -!- metcalf has joined. 18:57:08 -!- metcalf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:57:23 -!- metcalf has joined. 19:14:55 people don't think freenode is cheap to run, but the domain owner does not pay anything 19:15:37 also, he doesn't really have any reason to own the domain 19:25:34 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:41:41 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:50:02 -!- tromp has joined. 20:21:38 myname: which is why he's waving around a contract 20:22:34 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 20:22:52 -!- metcalf has joined. 20:23:07 i don't say he doesn't have the rights 20:23:28 he just doesn't need to own it 20:24:38 and as somebody that knows one of the ex-staffers that got legal pressure personally, and also regarding lees history, i am way more inclined to believe the staffers 20:27:06 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 20:27:21 -!- metcalf has joined. 20:32:08 SUNET has seen fit to sponsor the new thing, that's good enough for me. ;) I don't know, there's something more natural about an IRC server hosted by a university thing, that's how IRC servers *should* be. 20:33:03 What swayed me was sheer numbers. At one point in time, 4 staffers were left in #freenode, that was pathetic, especially since one of them was Lee himself... 20:33:39 it does say something that all of the old staffers acted together 20:33:56 And there's that story about snoonet... 20:35:17 i never heard about snoonet before that whole freenet thing 20:35:19 So I'm pretty sure the staffers are morally right. I'm mostly worried about Libera itself failing somehow, say, through lack of sponsors. Nothing I can substantiate, they're just new. 20:52:50 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:53:12 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 21:14:29 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:16:31 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: I seem to have stopped.). 21:20:19 -!- LKoen has joined. 21:37:29 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:41:50 fizzie: oh? :o 21:42:40 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 21:43:55 FireFly: For the record, I was basing that 100% on the publicly visible fact that iridium.libera.chat says "provided by NORDUnet/SUNET" and is in their network. https://netsplit.de/servers/details.php?host=iridium.libera.chat 21:45:26 -!- tromp has joined. 21:49:41 [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83115&oldid=83114 * Fizzie * (+1128) /* Freenode and the future */ Thoughts about networks. 21:50:47 ah 21:51:13 I mean, checks out; NORDUnet did (does?) sponsor a server on freenode 21:51:19 just wasn't aware :p 21:54:24 wolfe.freenode.net (which I think is/was theirs) doesn't seem to be answering me at the moment, whatever that means. I think I had that on my explicit-for-no-reason server list for geographical closeness to Finland, before moving. 21:56:28 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:10:06 -!- tromp has joined. 22:14:21 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:14:28 There are a number of features that I would not want (or that I would want, but are not implemented) for setting up my own IRC channels, but for some others it can do. 22:31:43 `? freenode 22:31:46 The Realm of Freenode is our homeland. The Chännel dwells in it since... Uhm... Quite a few years ago? 22:34:05 `echo 9Ls-TD1tj_J4 22:34:07 9Ls-TD1tj_J4 22:34:13 are you here too, fungot? 22:34:14 b_jonas: mr president, i think that that is not necessary to import such wines from third countries may have to set the seal on this debate in the national parliaments should be the new government has been agreed upon by the council to adopt a general plan for humanitarian aid or the request for a repeat vote during the may part-session, which says that we should deal with the spread of animal diseases with a cap that, in the w 22:34:32 `learn libera Libera is the land of the future. Maybe. 22:34:35 Learned 'libera': libera Libera is the land of the future. Maybe. 22:34:45 `learn Libera is the land of the future. Maybe. 22:34:48 Relearned 'libera': Libera is the land of the future. Maybe. 22:39:57 -!- tromp has joined. 22:44:46 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:55:11 I suppose that we can see if it comes to any problems in Freenode, and if so then it can be moved to Libera, but even right away the log and other handling should be prepared in case the move is necessary in future. (If the program supports that, it can also be moved to others too if that somehow becomes necessary, I suppose.) 22:56:06 zzo38: I think fizzie is just blowing his copious free time on exactly that 22:57:34 O, OK, good 22:59:41 -!- tromp has joined. 23:01:11 Well, not entirely, but I did do a little bit of it. At least the log collection, if not the presentation. 23:02:24 If we do want to keep channels in both networks connected by a bridge for some nontrivial amount of time, I could be convinced to do that over the esowiki/esolangs bot pair. 23:04:13 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:30:46 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:32:35 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 23:32:50 -!- metcalf has joined. 23:37:06 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 23:37:22 -!- metcalf has joined. 23:52:34 -!- metcalf has quit (Quit: metcalf). 23:52:48 -!- metcalf has joined. 23:53:49 -!- tromp has joined. 23:57:06 -!- metcalf has quit (Client Quit). 23:57:21 -!- metcalf has joined. 23:58:11 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds).