< 1621642966 966580 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621644311 581721 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lixmsfufznotpxlh QUIT : < 1621644862 550169 :Horst!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1621644862 701098 :Horst!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1621645007 366506 :Horst147852369!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1621645059 308497 :Horst147852369!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621645077 686234 :Horst147852369!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1621645123 145530 :Horst147852369!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621645215 567569 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83162&oldid=83161 5* 03Batata 5* (+48) 10 > 1621645259 171878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83163&oldid=83162 5* 03Batata 5* (+2) 10 < 1621645792 854731 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621646091 894201 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621646813 31704 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1621646858 729530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think there's about 25% likelihood it will do anything meaningful. > 1621646887 949845 PRIVMSG #esoteric : On the other hand, if it does work, it'll be the first time fungot says anything over on this side. < 1621646920 218131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, except it won't, because fungot ignores esowiki for obvious reasons. Heh, didn't think of that. < 1621646920 561577 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think that honourable members are representatives of the european union, i.e. the problem is not that people are still listening. in those circumstances, as often as is necessary. > 1621646936 960985 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, it worked indirectly, I guess. > 1621647017 235730 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If anyone wants to turn that off for any reason at all, just say "brctl: ignore freenode/*" and "brctl: ignore libera/*", that should stop it from doing anything. > 1621647062 148132 PRIVMSG #esoteric : neeeeat. > 1621647104 913425 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm sure there's a corner case beyond that of the spam thing that we didn't think of that'll ruin everything. > 1621647113 440914 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I should probably check that the logging is still working, at least. > 1621647188 510713 PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do I opt out of being bridged? < 1621647287 587213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brctl: ignored > 1621647287 587271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brctl: Ignore list: freenode/shachaf libera/shachaf > 1621647321 972648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot? > 1621647330 35277 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungooooot. < 1621647331 754619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess those brctl commands didn't show up on this side. Thinking about these things is hard. > 1621647341 390055 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh it will be ignoring esowiki over there < 1621647358 324840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you have to invoke it over here, then the replies will be piped over. < 1621647374 76620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1621647374 572609 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, i would also like to say something which the european union, the forests are often the very ones which do actually protect the interests of safety to subject aircraft control and monitoring of that strategy. i am sure that you are right to say that the commission is unwilling to apply this decision retroactively and share the satisfaction of everyone's needs. regarding the recent agreement made over the nex > 1621647409 960129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so what's the plan for the bridge, are y'all moving to libera or are you maintaining a presence. > 1621647455 208367 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the resulting logs will not be confusing at all < 1621647461 125731 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :у / ý / ÿ / ŷ / ƴ / ȳ / ɏ / ỳ / ỹ / ỿ / ẏ / ẙ / ỵ / ỷ > 1621647464 444951 PRIVMSG #esoteric : у / ý / ÿ / ŷ / ƴ / ȳ / ɏ / ỳ / ỹ / ỿ / ẏ / ẙ / ỵ / ỷ > 1621647490 640514 PRIVMSG #esoteric : As for plans, I don't really know yet for sure. I guess we're kind of exploring the configuration space. > 1621647541 379155 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fair. > 1621647543 367952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a little bit of talk at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future if you missed that link. > 1621647571 55871 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I had it in my history but haven't checked it. > 1621647580 878828 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not many comments. > 1621647856 760624 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think personally I'd be up for migrating here as the sort of main location, but I don't know how maybe-less-active-right-now-but-still-well-established channel regulars feel. > 1621647956 974774 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw, velik is logging too < 1621648018 331249 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! > 1621648394 30487 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: Re logs, yeah, especially if opting out becomes commonplace. Well, we can give up on the bridge if it gets too much, just couldn't resist. > 1621648439 522609 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Also, the ignore list is just in-memory at this point.) > 1621648952 826262 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a bridge, you say < 1621648988 254346 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1621649020 158656 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-csqkewytzwifjdsp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a bridge < 1621649032 502457 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621649048 197104 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Over troubled water, no doubt. > 1621649266 951034 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, if I turn off windows_auto_renumber, I think I could maybe convince irssi to give the "parallel universe" channels window numbers that are, say, offset by 100 from the ones I'm used to, and that way remember what the numbers mean. < 1621649315 506518 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1621649318 692898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AndrewBayly14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83164 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+58) 10Created page with "Hi, I'm Andrew. Here are the esolangs that I have created:" > 1621649564 479709 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AndrewBayly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83165&oldid=83164 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+447) 10 > 1621649601 452942 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AndrewBayly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83166&oldid=83165 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+0) 10 > 1621650414 550233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: you can also put multiple channels into the same window if you wish, though you may have to change the formatting to distinguish them then > 1621650450 831544 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh hey, you enabled a bridge to freenode? < 1621650454 970826 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work both directions? > 1621650461 226316 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes it does, jonas > 1621650553 540774 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " I'm sure there's a corner case beyond that of the spam thing that we didn't think of that'll ruin everything." => bot loops probably > 1621650579 698968 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah; I don't know if it's a good idea, but it's there for now. At least a cross-network botloop would be somewhat novel. > 1621650644 423753 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a few "brctl:"-prefixed commands that anyone can use to manage which nicknames are ignored, and as a special case * will match all nicks if you need to turn it off completely and I'm not around. > 1621650690 812207 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: as for OFTC and the +s flag, I believe that's as much of a policy as freenode's ## prefix in channel names > 1621650715 530365 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? log > 1621650717 661971 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#esoteric channel logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/ > 1621650821 611189 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` echo "let's see what the bridge does with long lines. they should just be truncated."; seq 999 > 1621650823 256274 PRIVMSG #esoteric : let's see what the bridge does with long lines. they should just be truncated. \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ 10 \ 11 \ 12 \ 13 \ 14 \ 15 \ 16 \ 17 \ 18 \ 19 \ 20 \ 21 \ 22 \ 23 \ 24 \ 25 \ 26 \ 27 \ 28 \ 29 \ 30 \ 31 \ 32 \ 33 \ 34 \ 35 \ 36 \ 37 \ 38 \ 39 \ 40 \ 41 \ 42 \ 43 \ 44 \ 45 \ 46 \ 47 \ 48 \ 49 \ 50 \ 51 \ 52 \ 53 \ 54 \ 55 \ 56 \ 57 \ 58 \ 59 \ 60 \ 61 \ 62 \ 63 \ 64 \ 65 \ 66 \ 67 \ 68 \ 69 \ 70 \ 71 \ 72 \ 73 \ 74 \ 75 \ 76 \ 77 \ 78 > 1621650823 740671 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: > 1 > 1621650861 239534 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run 1 > 1621650862 843981 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1621650895 186433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run 2 < 1621650896 628168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1621650905 797134 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, good. < 1621651879 930833 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves to the bridge > 1621651894 250128 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess clients might differ in how they render that > 1621652139 628689 PRIVMSG #esoteric : . > 1621652168 231959 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: how did you send that without the bridge forwarding it? < 1621652344 116452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there a github for logs? < 1621652383 988441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? why < 1621652385 157648 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1621652473 918222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no particular reason; the attitude is, they're there, they're public, so they should be listed in the topic > 1621653464 854848 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The thing with notices is, the client-side presentation is all over the place. Especially in irssi, where they get the channel name for no reason. < 1621653469 937653 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621653481 142092 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I did consider forwarding them too, though. < 1621653491 552253 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1621653501 526280 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In Hexchat, it also shows the channel name > 1621653513 590053 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like this: [11:01:50] -18int-e/22##esoteric- that worked < 1621653552 65171 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1621653582 15746 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://youtu.be/T0NYZDGTA5g the l0de radio hour is live! IRC's FINEST HOUR, the late night call in show where you are the star! Call in live, tonight's episl0de: A Small White Dog > 1621653616 102186 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, the first forwarded spam. > 1621653640 398172 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Technically all bot replies are supposed to be NOTICEs, and no bot should ever automatically reply to a NOTICE. But nobody actually follows the first half of that. It would entirely prevent botloops, though. < 1621653704 348153 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-csqkewytzwifjdsp PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least libera.chat's antispam kicked in > 1621653733 831143 PRIVMSG #esoteric : RFC 2812: "The difference between NOTICE and PRIVMSG is that automatic replies MUST NEVER be sent in response to a NOTICE message. -- This is typically used by services, and automatons (clients with either an AI or other interactive program controlling their actions)." < 1621653784 32607 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm > 1621653792 886472 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well that went out of the window when mIRC came along, didn't it > 1621653801 166438 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and turned notices into popups > 1621653871 306204 PRIVMSG #esoteric : irssi hilights me on channel wide notices too. > 1621653872 209078 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (that's probably, and hopefully, no longer the case) > 1621653942 828485 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shikhin: check the /hilight settings? I'd expect that notices are mentioned somewhere in their explicitely then, but I'm not sure > 1621653947 192920 PRIVMSG #esoteric : their->there > 1621655597 639823 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://youtu.be/T0NYZDGTA5g the l0de radio hour is live! IRC's FINEST HOUR, the late night call in show where you are the star! Call in live, tonight's episl0de: A Small White Dog < 1621657146 686462 :aloril!~aloril@86-60-148-78.dynamic.lounea.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621657978 731221 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5672d3-28.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1621658171 882653 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621658449 884349 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621660527 814980 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621660786 629889 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621661424 779473 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621661687 759622 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1621663986 969026 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Assign14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83167 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+2258) 10Created page with "Assign is an esoteric programming language that is a subset of JavaScript. In Assign there are no assignment, increment or decrement operators. ==Strategy== I found that to w..." > 1621664053 67863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Assign14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83168&oldid=83167 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+82) 10 > 1621664110 129773 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AndrewBayly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83169&oldid=83166 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+88) 10 > 1621664427 703527 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kwes 5* 10New user account > 1621664504 890423 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /!\ THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #HAMRADIO /!\ > 1621664634 967245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83170&oldid=83153 5* 03Kwes 5* (+185) 10 > 1621664669 22494 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Kwes14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83171 5* 03Kwes 5* (+12) 10Created page with "making stuff" < 1621664672 627902 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621664926 649408 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621665185 488729 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Yogurt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83172&oldid=83141 5* 03Ilaylevy 5* (-4) 10 > 1621665387 671442 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean. no? < 1621665872 852745 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621665940 255783 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm a bit confused where those bots come from. like, is it someone from new freenode to annoy people that switched? > 1621666562 656811 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's very similar to previous spam waves... feels like just people who enjoy getting people to react to it < 1621666570 985717 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PART :#esoteric > 1621667409 54750 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mm, trolls > 1621667437 596709 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the conspiracist in me thinks all this drama is manufactured to benefit Discord > 1621667446 687477 PRIVMSG #esoteric : chaos, Discord, confusion, bureaucracy, aftermath > 1621667461 574575 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also I'm still in freenode #esoteric and it's "fun" to see my messages mirrored there < 1621667469 62726 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :dongs > 1621667559 626034 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Confusion would be a good name for a discord competitor > 1621667879 342828 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes > 1621667939 841302 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i mean one of their major competitors is Slack > 1621667949 157391 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which I assume is a reference to the Church of the SubGenius, an offshoot of Discordianism > 1621667955 981900 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which came first I'm not sure > 1621667997 75596 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but this is one of these "holy shit, the people in my cohort of awkward weird nerds grew up and are running the world now" things > 1621668033 428169 PRIVMSG #esoteric : meanwhile I briefly worked for an also-ran web chat service based on Zephyr (named Zulip, now open source) and got fired for being depressed before my shares vested > 1621668036 464083 PRIVMSG #esoteric : c'est la vie. > 1621668880 43719 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /!\ THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #HAMRADIO /!\ > 1621668883 34318 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /!\ JOIN #HAMRADIO TODAY. THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #HAMRADIO /!\ < 1621669509 270815 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1621669531 553440 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621669708 458076 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION morning! < 1621669853 863482 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1621669879 812506 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621670180 713904 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1621670816 753905 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1621670997 669425 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621671030 754574 PRIVMSG #esoteric : good morning > 1621671037 555333 PRIVMSG #esoteric : relay bot not so good with CTCP ACTION < 1621672218 520790 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-autoisfhmajvchds QUIT :*.net *.split < 1621672218 647615 :op_4!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1621672219 38308 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621672242 841272 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1621672270 888028 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-autoisfhmajvchds JOIN :#esoteric < 1621672270 974664 :op_4!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621672460 28919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621672523 562165 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lxaoubzimnryythm QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1621672561 222142 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: how's it going < 1621672585 20274 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rjesqsybzqipydwi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1621672680 541165 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie also you can blacklist the "/!\" substring < 1621673767 162157 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ncvvffyumhqzxehq JOIN :#esoteric < 1621674178 938576 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-vxcvxdmfbajgdpkf JOIN :#esoteric > 1621674246 905684 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: You can opt out from being bridged if you like, by saying "brctl: ignore keegan" on this side. > 1621674370 431373 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll filter out /!\ though that's pretty specific to this particular spam wave. > 1621674457 671737 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I faintly remember some #hamradio-themed spam from time before the split, wonder why that one gets picked on so much. > 1621674728 51177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Hmmmmmmmm 5* 10New user account < 1621674759 217858 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1621675141 742621 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83173&oldid=83170 5* 03Hmmmmmmmm 5* (+213) 10Add my user introduction > 1621675146 618051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hmmmmmmmm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83174 5* 03Hmmmmmmmm 5* (+185) 10Make my own account page < 1621677247 305202 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll suspend my twitch IRC analytics project and probably delete my account since they made another post where they continue falsely accusing their users in "hating women" to censor the fact that they became a platform for prostitution < 1621677428 695878 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the only network where I currently saw the Tags IRC v3 feature > 1621677685 407714 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:34:24 If IRC had past message editing capabilities, I'd make that thing collapse consecutive edits the same way the recent changes page does. > 1621677719 534938 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://ircv3.net/ - IRCv3 Features - Grouping related messages to simplify collapsing and display of those messages to users. < 1621677877 216124 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1621677889 626656 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, I saw that mentioned somewhere. > 1621678445 652016 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this editing/collapsing stuff changes things a lot > 1621678477 692789 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we are used to that if we open the logs we see the same that we see in chat > 1621678518 711426 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now we have to add some post processing to convert logs to "real" chat log > 1621678618 485910 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and how are we supposed to split logs by days if there was a message collapse over the 00:00 < 1621680055 531434 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621680290 492358 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 2.0.1" < 1621681962 594522 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00e9ffb447d7bf2ebe.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1621682230 118248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* 10New user account > 1621682312 955729 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83175&oldid=83173 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+233) 10/* Introductions */ > 1621682525 602482 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: So I went ahead and had a pre-discussion with Libera staff, and they're okay with the notion of having an 'esolangs' community at #esolangs, but having #esoteric forward to it for "quite some time", which I think probably means "up until a group of aspiring magicians wants to claim it for their rites". I think I'd be happy with that? People can still keep making the jokes on the rare occasion > 1621682531 601448 PRIVMSG #esoteric : someone comes in confused. > 1621682746 380472 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83176&oldid=79839 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+732) 10Example added: Truth machine > 1621682756 745441 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: So I went ahead and had a pre-discussion with Libera staff, and they're okay with the notion of having an 'esolangs' community at #esolangs, but having #esoteric forward to it for "quite some time", which I think probably means "up until a group of aspiring magicians wants to claim it for their rites". I think I'd be happy with that? People can still keep making the jokes on the rare occasion > 1621682762 833988 PRIVMSG #esoteric : someone comes in confused. > 1621683138 515976 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83177&oldid=83176 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+269) 10/* Parts */ Disambiguations > 1621683160 940881 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83178&oldid=83177 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (-2) 10/* Parts */ Format error < 1621683193 127101 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621683572 811122 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621683856 842960 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1621683960 673800 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HaleyHalcyon14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83179 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+1753) 10Created page with "== MarioLANG test cases == The code is run on the sandbox at TIO.run. === Multiple elevators on the same X coordinate === ==== Code ==== > :! "===== > ! ==..." < 1621684376 951234 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621684578 224140 PRIVMSG #esoteric : do I understand right that it's practically impossible to add a language to https://tio.run/# ? because the last commit I see in their repo 2 years ago and there are hanging pull requests in both repos > 1621684919 978737 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it would be nice if there was some frontend for arbitrary languages execution so I would need only provide a backend > 1621684930 549817 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've heard of TIO, but I don't think I've ever actually used it. > 1621684933 99617 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lovely language list, though: probably the first time I've seen Quadrefunge, Quintefunge, Sexefunge and Septefunge mentioned anywhere. > 1621684958 710693 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HaleyHalcyon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83180&oldid=83179 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+873) 10/* MarioLANG test cases */ > 1621685157 386461 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HaleyHalcyon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83181&oldid=83180 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+120) 10/* Wall/floor interchangeability */ > 1621685185 569960 PRIVMSG #esoteric : looks like they were mirroring every language https://github.com/TryItOnline?q=&type=&language=&sort= > 1621685207 881461 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83182&oldid=83178 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+74) 10/* Instructions to Mario */ < 1621685411 186581 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT : < 1621685427 570701 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621686210 845198 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1621686786 51847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83183&oldid=83115 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+690) 10/* Freenode and the future */ On community registration. < 1621686938 386099 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621687095 104918 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I wonder if with webassembly and such it'd be viable to make something like this that doesnt need server resources (outside hosting the files somewhere), runs all the interpreters in the browser > 1621687233 114264 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kind of reminds me of how the Internet Archive has all those old pieces of old software in a playable state by running the emulation in the browser. > 1621687949 572369 PRIVMSG #esoteric : should be easily possible. there are cross compiled linuxes that run entirelyy in browsers < 1621688024 714375 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj JOIN :#esoteric > 1621688236 963976 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: sure, we can go to #esolangs . it matches the esolangs.org domain name that points to the wiki. < 1621688272 880623 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: re TIO yeah, the chatroom's starboard https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/44255 explains why < 1621688312 636781 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what brand of DVD demagnetizer do you recommend? < 1621688313 211971 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, i should like us to be very significant and important, being adopted in due course should that appear necessary. finally, our obligation, as it sometimes does not immediately become obligatory and an essential service. with regard to these circumstances it is believed that this issue is already covered by the definition of the fields of finance for innovation and growth. < 1621688367 873391 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it would be nice if there was some frontend for arbitrary languages execution so I would need only provide a backend" you mean you'd be willing to host it? < 1621688404 547033 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the frontend is somewhere in the github > 1621688420 963069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you mean like llvm? > 1621688480 756551 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: you could just have it run an interpreter, since you have a high chance that you can find an interpreter ran in a language that TIO can already run > 1621688518 835492 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you may need to do some porting, but probably not more porting than you'd need to do to run the same interpreter in browser client side < 1621688703 456818 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621688799 396919 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently learnt of a wasm interpreter for k https://ktye.github.io/, for which i believe the author wrote their own c-dialect to wasm converter https://github.com/ktye/i/blob/master/_/i3/w/readme < 1621691449 727933 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1621691483 803462 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1621691660 637392 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00e9ffb447d7bf2ebe.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621692215 78681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03T0mi10 5* 10New user account > 1621692437 956983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83184&oldid=82736 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+215) 10Add input, Truth-machine, and cat program > 1621692630 663679 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83185&oldid=83184 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-66) 10/* Examples */ Remove annoying ZWSPs, and prevent them > 1621692781 251625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83186&oldid=83185 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10Remove the last ZWSP > 1621692860 588207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83187&oldid=83186 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+51) 10/* Commands */ Bangyen's suggestion > 1621693370 962623 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: sounds reasonable to me, and about what I'd expect from policy etc. < 1621694341 216459 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00293c718687f63537.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621695243 22740 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj QUIT :Quit: quit < 1621695546 801103 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1621695883 592094 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas I mean I just need a frontend for RASEL; don't want to reinvent this webpage with forms and stuff > 1621695942 849221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the backend can be trivially done serverless in Cloud Run > 1621696006 501313 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and even moderated call rate via additional layer with a lightweight webserver that would track how often it's being spinned < 1621696013 797941 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621696226 592710 PRIVMSG #esoteric : TIL Excel has lambda for some time now > 1621696232 968160 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and let! > 1621696248 62194 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/lambda-the-ultimatae-excel-worksheet-function < 1621696266 251842 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so bridge is working? > 1621696559 161986 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yep, though I think I'll be moving this end of it to `#esolangs`. > 1621696568 427088 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: I heard about that. I don't think it's a big deal. we always had excel 3 named functions where you just slap the expressions you want to evaluate into cells of a macro worksheet, with possibly local names they assign to, assign a name marked as a macro function to their first cell, and then if you call that function from a formula, it evaluates the cells in order from top to bottom, unless > 1621696574 568505 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you call GOTO or similar functions. there is one serious limitation of course: whe a macro function (which you can call from expressions in cells) is executed, unlike when a macro procedure (which you can't call that way) is executed, most builtins that cause side-effects, such as change the formula of a cell, have their side effects silently suppressed, so it's hard to cause side effects from a macro > 1621696580 572172 PRIVMSG #esoteric : function other than changing the values (not the formulas) of the cells of that macro function (other formulas can then refer to those values) > 1621696652 725243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the main way that macro worksheets differ from normal worksheets btw is that on normal worksheets, all cells have their value recomputed automatcally every time their formula or a cell they recursively depend on changes (you can turn this off, but that's unusual), while in a macro worksheet, cells are evaluated only when a macro is running and its program counter points to that cell > 1621696691 135784 PRIVMSG #esoteric : didn't use Excel since like 2012 > 1621696693 834557 PRIVMSG #esoteric : TODO for self: document esowiki (the bot) on the wiki, especially its ignore statement > 1621696714 58212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I said "forever". this existed since the earliest time I've seen Excel. > 1621696737 364759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Google Docs Spreadsheets have Google Apps Script that can do all the calculations and integrate with the rest of Docs and Google services > 1621696778 117912 PRIVMSG #esoteric : interesting, didn’t read anywhere about macro worksheets > 1621696795 414912 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not only it allows defining functions, those "macros" can be ran on their own on trigger or schedule, centralised, no edit wars < 1621696795 417919 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73 QUIT :Quit: gone too far > 1621696829 641561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people literally run the whole businesses in Spreadsheets with GAS since then > 1621696856 290401 PRIVMSG #esoteric : schools, some shops, warehouses > 1621696886 109225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: it's not a story the Jedi would tell you > 1621696896 382763 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then it got all integrated with Bigdata and other data processing services of Google with bells and whistles < 1621696926 30705 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric < 1621696966 566580 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621697042 804715 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621697372 494778 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Loading configurations without killing the process would be far too bourgeoisie thing to allow.) > 1621698060 532340 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it bridged? < 1621698071 959139 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is. funny. < 1621698100 652364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :semibridge > 1621698105 649686 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where is this bridged > 1621698117 597008 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: to freenode/#esoteric > 1621698124 354509 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah > 1621698144 955819 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `ping > 1621698147 8369 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pong > 1621698204 808868 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION weeps for #esoteric > 1621698436 348637 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` (quote '#esoteric'; grWp '#esoteric') | wc -l # int-e: at least we'll still have all these references for who knows how long > 1621698437 636396 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 56 > 1621698627 133413 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how about cloaks > 1621698630 16923 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `env > 1621698630 841618 PRIVMSG #esoteric : PATH=/hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ TERM=linux \ HOME=/tmp \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ IRC_NICK=b_jonas \ IRC_IDENT=~x \ IRC_HOST=catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu \ IRC_COMMAND=PRIVMSG \ IRC_TARGET=#esolangs \ IRC_MESSAGE=`env \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 > 1621698637 752899 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, we're on #esolangs now < 1621698642 223106 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621698671 709755 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is esoteric deprecated? > 1621698679 925174 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course, as fizzie said, the move won't officially be official until we edit https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal > 1621698740 802093 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and we might want to wait until the admins get an official webchat working, rather than using kiwi > 1621698785 827680 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION stops munching on kiwi and hides the skins > 1621698788 215370 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the name "libera" still sounds stupid to me because it sounds like the diaper brand "Libero" > 1621698790 176184 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm? kiwi? what kiwi > 1621698823 192865 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For the community registration, what I have is a "verbal" ack (plus settings for this channel), I've not gotten a reply yet to the formal email. So we might wait for that as well. > 1621698839 985803 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/irc.libera.chat > 1621698852 771491 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION knows what kiwiirc is > 1621698861 324067 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't use kiwi, I'm slightly allergic. :/ > 1621698863 56025 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION was making a bad joke > 1621698877 479386 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION is here noow also > 1621698920 375205 PRIVMSG #esoteric : kiwi is for guests > 1621698928 626699 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you don't have to use it > 1621698931 947482 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Should've taught that bridge about CTCP ACTION while I was mucking with it. > 1621698978 411788 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83188&oldid=83003 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+13) 10/* Bit-specific */ Bit-specific changed to Words-value (aligned syntax update). > 1621699017 917840 PRIVMSG #esoteric : guys, does /whois show my "Actual hostname" for you? > 1621699038 435920 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not to me. > 1621699070 146781 PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay, since I see that field and could not be sure > 1621699106 3124 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yes, the irc server tells you your real hostname even while you're cloaked, because you're inside the cloak > 1621699121 208937 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this sounds awful > 1621699152 630614 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because клоака is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaca > 1621699285 238368 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a physical constraint. if you wanted to see your cloak, you would have to move your eyes outside the cloak, and then people could see your eyes. > 1621699368 963567 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you still want that, make another connection to the server > 1621699391 795322 PRIVMSG #esoteric : uh can't you just > 1621699394 116133 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ask nickserv > 1621699400 167546 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd .. > 1621699405 264811 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `/msg nickserv info USERNAME HERE` > 1621699406 36950 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​/msg? No such file or directory > 1621699415 581799 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot > 1621699417 341521 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: asd > 1621699419 855081 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river: /home/> _ > 1621699453 511457 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: you could ask HackEso > 1621699466 622173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` echo "$IRC_HOST" > 1621699467 528072 PRIVMSG #esoteric : catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu > 1621699473 349943 PRIVMSG #esoteric : true > 1621699474 826235 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, right, fungot. Hmm. > 1621699505 98503 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess I should keep it on the side that has more people planning to use it, which might be this one. > 1621699511 524442 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: or /msg perlbot arg &h > 1621699523 708927 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can ask any sufficiently powerful bot > 1621699529 160293 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Fungot is missing!", a hit educational game for the SNES. > 1621699536 992712 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can you run multiple Fungotia? > 1621699568 803122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Almost. I'd just need to never run ^save on one of them, or configure different state files. > 1621699580 842668 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I don't know if the world is ready for more than one fungot. > 1621699580 901573 PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't let funge start growing > 1621699592 878535 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think we are ready for that > 1621699663 904891 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if there were IRC viruses > 1621699677 700290 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that find bots with backdoors to replicate > 1621699688 919582 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: there were at least malware, not necessarily virus > 1621699703 943241 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: not targeting bots, but very buggy IRC clients > 1621699713 718216 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perhaps also targeting bots, I'm not sure > 1621699733 378690 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Eggdrop was so popular, I'm sure there must've been a vulnerability in there somewhere. > 1621699734 444703 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess you could find some of the bot loops viruses > 1621699755 552035 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i still wonder how fast a bot that's programmed to join any channel mentioned near it would spread across a network < 1621699761 976656 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me > 1621699812 850058 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perhaps there is a limit of channels you can join > 1621699821 999403 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there is, i forget what it is > 1621699823 921720 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `CHANLIMIT=#:250` > 1621699824 752955 PRIVMSG #esoteric : CHANLIMIT=#:250`? No such file or directory > 1621699830 461152 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it's pretty high and you could simply open a new connection > 1621699850 737460 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not sure if it's that specific limit, I just had the connection-open numerics from fungot's debug screen. > 1621699850 980707 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: how come there's a 3rd arguement now? http://mumble.net/campbell/ tmp/ restrict.html for what i need > 1621699886 219701 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: you could just use alis to find channels > 1621699893 803355 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's not all channels, because channels can be hidden from that, but still > 1621699897 228941 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, but i meant what i asked > 1621699898 647329 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :P > 1621699916 602421 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well let's see > 1621699917 240664 PRIVMSG #esoteric : while I was tracking twitch I had an idea to note the raids after the stream (that's a thing when streamer leaves and moves all his viewers to some another stream, keeping the audience within the website and making a social connetion with a selected target in that way) > 1621699949 404349 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it would be possible to slowly build a graph of people who tend to raid each other > 1621700028 774931 PRIVMSG #esoteric : . o O ( Streamers who raided X also raided Y and Z. ) > 1621700049 917082 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is alis here too? > 1621700068 885379 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes there's an alis > 1621700103 990308 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I made a "who's having an affair with who" chart for a... well, let's call it a forum, once, based on people mentioning the names of other members. > 1621700106 513099 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Less obviously, Sigyn is ozone, eir is litharge. > 1621700129 802352 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone's name was a pretty common word, they got an edge with everyone in the graph. > 1621700138 985544 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lmao > 1621700139 563240 PRIVMSG #esoteric : GraphViz was having problems rendering it, but that's not a surprise. > 1621700170 146882 PRIVMSG #esoteric : let's speed up its bootstrapping. dear bot who joins every channel mentioned, please JOIN > 1621700173 157167 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ##chat,##electronics,##hardware,##math,##politics,##programming,#ansible,#bash,#bitcoin,#c,#C++,#centos,#datahoarder,#debian,#elixir,#emacs,#fedora,#freebsd,#gentoo,#gentoo-chat,#git,#go-nuts,#guix,#hamradio,#haskell,#idleRPG,#ircv3,#irssi,#javascript,#libera,#libera-dev,#libera-offtopic,#libera-overflow,#lineageos,#linux,#lisp,#lobsters,#matrix,#musl,#networking,#nixos,#openbsd,#osdev,#perl,#postgresql, > 1621700179 159374 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #python,#raspberrypi,#reddit-sysadmin,#reprap,#rockylinux,#security,#sway,#thelongue,#ubuntu,#vim,#voidlinux,#weechat,#wikimedia-operations,#wikipedia-en,#windows,#zig,#znc > 1621700210 964945 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'd write such a bot but i feel i'd make the admins annoyed with me > 1621700411 692173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it’s a bit interesting that all ideal triangles are congruent < 1621700424 757457 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621700521 967202 PRIVMSG #esoteric : noncongruence starts with quadrilaterals in dimension 2, though I suspect non-planar quadrilaterals are again all congruent?.. > 1621700546 828134 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: you'd have to make it leave channels that are almost empty or else your join quota will fill up quickly > 1621700838 217051 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `python3 -cprint("#,"+",".join(["#%c" % k for k in range(33,126) if k != 44])) > 1621700839 82334 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#,#!,#",##,#$,#%,#&,#',#(,#),#*,#+,#-,#.,#/,#0,#1,#2,#3,#4,#5,#6,#7,#8,#9,#:,#;,#<,#=,#>,#?,#@,#A,#B,#C,#D,#E,#F,#G,#H,#I,#J,#K,#L,#M,#N,#O,#P,#Q,#R,#S,#T,#U,#V,#W,#X,#Y,#Z,#[,#\,#],#^,#_,#`,#a,#b,#c,#d,#e,#f,#g,#h,#i,#j,#k,#l,#m,#n,#o,#p,#q,#r,#s,#t,#u,#v,#w,#x,#y,#z,#{,#|,#} > 1621700915 693196 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i own #1, it is the best channel > 1621700922 861317 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: I had a friend who wrote a program that just... repeatedly instantiated a new bot that'd connect and joing a particular channel. > 1621700934 592872 PRIVMSG #esoteric : They got to about 20 before a staff member joined and told them to stop > 1621700937 828657 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol > 1621700938 936970 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (this was pre-2017 freenode) > 1621700953 272671 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well yea if you're making that many connections someone's gonna notice aha > 1621700966 538340 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: you need #one as well, and #uno etc. > 1621701031 751668 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That would be channel hoarding > 1621701034 75934 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so nah > 1621701057 766407 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just trying to help *d&r* > 1621701116 352078 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: freenode has some limit on how many clients can connect from one address, and they even have some [A-Z]line feature that gives excemption from that for heavily NATted addresses like convention centers or universities > 1621701151 673011 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at least one Ircnet server has a rule of at most three connections per host > 1621701160 284778 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though of course this gets more complicated with ipv6 > 1621701268 157378 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the usual workaround for spammers is to buy a botnet made of a large number of random people's home computers acquired via vulnerabilities > 1621701481 585101 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yea, i-lines > 1621701497 755458 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @hellomouse.net had one on freenode as we have a bouncer. We need to get that back > 1621701607 807525 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: bridged to wherems't? > 1621701613 478397 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oho < 1621701619 275603 :V!~v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to here. < 1621701924 227731 :V!~v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brctl: ignored > 1621701924 227803 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brctl: Ignore list: freenode/shachaf libera/shachaf < 1621701928 171913 :V!~v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1621701969 708276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing the libera side has just lost the connection or something. < 1621702015 851924 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it still bridge? > 1621702276 597609 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what do you think? > 1621702510 363903 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooh, esolangs1. let's see if it will loop with the other esolangs < 1621702519 683994 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey esolangs1, loop > 1621702523 510176 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nope > 1621702739 962149 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so fungot, you're here now? what brand of DVD demagnetizer would you recommend? > 1621702740 305940 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: thank you, and perhaps helped by the house, calls for a dual legal basis before the court of justice against this untimely change. no-one, neither the european parliament. you were asked to work to establish the partnership was still pending. > 1621702823 109212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, I guessed you wouldn't give a straight answer. in that case, fungot, what features should I pay attention to when I buy a DVD demagnetizer? > 1621702823 600518 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: mr president, commissioner, ladies and gentlemen, i will be coming onto the market products that could compete with those now circulating on the internal market. in some respects even improves on the commission to establish a policy that undermines the quality of legislation and the consequence therefore is, if we go back to two points here. first of all, only one additional country has come on board. > 1621702935 740712 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I see, fungot. you emphasize the difference between ones produced locally and east asian knockoffs > 1621702935 915099 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: mr president, i will be speaking about these further in our committees, in full or in part. > 1621702941 396742 PRIVMSG #esoteric : very good > 1621702951 95848 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this network had lead to some fun things > 1621702954 694902 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://thelounge.hellomouse.net/uploads/cd24a5123916a651/image.png > 1621703050 226543 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's how it should've responded. > 1621703070 690772 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (If you don't *want* it to ignore you, feel free to undo it with unignore.) > 1621703108 3222 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, a lot of clients ping-timeouted at the same time. > 1621703136 67648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also poor old little fungot got a ` growing on it. > 1621703136 246839 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: mr president, a lot fewer trees, some 140 million. that trend is the same as any other beef in europe. > 1621703150 385980 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's a lot of trees. > 1621703175 8467 PRIVMSG #esoteric : dear fungot what do you thing of ideal tesselations and all that? > 1621703175 516956 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: mr president-in-office, if the house adopts these amendments, we will always be relative to our dependence and reliance on nato which still owns the essential military hardware and which enabled us to develop the criteria relating to its independence and its considerable competence in issues that are sensitive for the european political institutions during the past months. these men were put behind bars, although the > 1621703207 755210 PRIVMSG #esoteric : A consummate politician, never a clear answer. > 1621703224 523198 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Except that one time. > 1621703227 537174 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can’t even parse it completely > 1621703275 791966 PRIVMSG #esoteric : these men were put behind bars => I see cell borders here. I think fungot is perfectly aware what was asked of them > 1621703276 198531 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: mr president, i would also like to thank you, first of all about the allocation. regarding parliament's team itself, we still believe that coordination, cooperation and shared responsibility, whereby all those involved for the last two years, so we cannot blame the commission) is also necessary to be able to get down to finalising at the earliest. > 1621703307 171947 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `ls > 1621703308 88776 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a.out \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ bin \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ eGtbSgN68aHU \ just \ karma \ le \ olist.new \ output.b \ paste \ pd \ pd.c \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh \ this.py \ tmp \ wisdomls.txt > 1621703326 659384 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, I’m certainly not the one who allocated the space for fun​got > 1621703410 287648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: and at last, do you know any religious hymnes and do you recite them in evening? > 1621703410 697948 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: mr president, the wto negotiations and with a view to its full extent if it wishes to integrate? also, may i begin by reminding you that i cannot give you the following: could we not express our disappointment? the scope of the programme. > 1621703436 694826 PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay so they don’t recite > 1621703596 23575 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also that ideal polygon tesselation proves we can easily represent any free group on finite generators via hyperbolic motions: for n generators, just take a tesselation into regular ideal (2n)-gons > 1621703634 750117 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no having to include one free group in a two-generator one > 1621703665 614958 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how easy! < 1621703685 376935 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621703687 222941 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: b_jonas: you might have been interested ↑ > 1621703776 118133 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, b_jonas might have already said something like that last time, but then I didn’t understand completely > 1621703779 58645 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: What's fungot licensed as, when it comes to using/modifying it? > 1621703779 664091 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i only got to see the financial resources for this programme is important because we need them to understand each other well. as regards the international conferences we have been obliged, with the agreement of any substance. i can assure the honourable member will surely agree, this is a form of development. i would like to single out the last initiative of the british authorities were m > 1621703801 960742 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: yes, tha'ts what I tried to say at https://esolangs.org/logs/2021-05.html#ldI > 1621703821 683718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\a> fizzie, What is the license of fungot? > 1621703821 965565 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \a: mr president, since the long march, and it is now the essential question, a philosophical choice. europe will continue to press the council of ministers will adopt them. > 1621703829 752548 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i already asked aha > 1621703865 357993 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot has great answers to our questions. What is the meaning of life, fungot? > 1621703865 769080 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: madam president, i should say that my group believes that the lack of safe access for relief agencies to people in a country with disastrous social conditions in which those who have been able to reach agreement on the reform of the commission in agenda 2000 will further increase the speed of technological advance, narrow consumer choice, increase the capacity of economies to adapt to the new member states can always introd > 1621703873 371485 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: I glad to see that now; thanks nonetheless > 1621703876 196700 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: the illustrations are under https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Infinite-order_tilings > 1621703887 438905 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: \a: Heh. Yeah, looks like I never actually chose. Let's say MIT for the code, and I'll look at updating the repository to reflect that. > 1621703902 559427 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sounds good > 1621703916 849951 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The language models aren't publicly available anywhere, though. > 1621703932 584928 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot's code size is so small that the license text might take up a significant part of the shirt > 1621703932 821027 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: madam president, commissioner, you will note is specifically referred to in the question of comitology. this is partly explained by hizbollah’s outrageous tactic of using human stem cells to achieve the objectives in the field of homeopathic medicine. > 1621703990 693801 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's actually just the babble generation subsection (lines 129-173 of fungot.b98) that's on the shirt. > 1621703991 457079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: thank you for the opportunity to read the information. against this background, the commission, in order to solve them effectively. how, moreover, i feel that the message and practice stemming from laeken are contradictory. they are now lying there during the winter, when orders decline, this credit on their working procedures or, as in portugal and poland for instance, paragraph 4, the commission is full of enthusiasm > 1621704019 130276 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\a> The MIT license is quite small > 1621704089 780525 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: thanks. I came to the idea by drawing a sketch of {4, ∞}, precisely! > 1621704149 429436 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: wait where do one finds such a shirt? > 1621704185 209133 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: I just got one printed at one of those "you upload a .jpg, we email you a shirt" places, I had a free code for one. > 1621704192 596591 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can’t express how I love the conformal disk model > 1621704194 529345 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I've got the specific .jpg online somewhere, let's see. > 1621704218 139631 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder how it looks on a real shirt though :) > 1621704234 912664 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, what I had online is a photo of the real shirt, so you're in luck. > 1621704237 507421 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or do they show shirt mock-ups? > 1621704238 537046 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://zem.fi/tmp/fungotshirt.jpg > 1621704238 754043 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: firstly, i should like to illustrate this link by referring to oil, as ' integral elements of european policy, is a situation that we have a unanimous report from the relevant committee. > 1621704259 218804 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: neat! > 1621704266 186313 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's an immediate conversation starter for sure. < 1621704284 747279 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621704337 64950 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, I guess in theory if you're wearing it and don't know what to say to something, you could run it in your head to generate a reply. > 1621704338 576688 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, there's a nice visible jump table > 1621704343 627310 PRIVMSG #esoteric : personally I have yet to wear any custom-printed tee, just doesn’t seem that urgent > 1621704380 382288 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, I guess in theory if you're wearing it and don't know what to say to something, you could run it in your head to generate a reply. => lool. But you’d need a model loaded somewhere too, though > 1621704389 90567 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it should be enormous > 1621704397 417277 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, maybe keep one around as a printed book. > 1621704407 476997 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rofl < 1621704492 509230 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621704552 482457 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or wear one of these crocheted hyperbolic planes as a skirt, they're fast to random access because you can draw a complete binary tree on them > 1621704562 633530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no need to mess with slowly seeking sectors like on a hard drive > 1621704638 278093 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course the linear seeking of a flat shirt is suitable for befunge code > 1621704646 727193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: how is a euclidean skirt lesser for this purpose? Eventually you’ll need a microscope but is that that big an issue? > 1621704831 474609 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm there is a chance of hyperbolic fungeoid out there. One could use those inclusions of n-generator free groups and extend programs by reimagining them as using a free group with more generators as a grid > 1621704851 284161 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hyperbolic fungoid would be... interesting > 1621704861 47754 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for one how would you reference memory, grid coordinates don't work anymore > 1621704873 686628 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: there are coordinates usable for hyperbolic plane > 1621704883 37640 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep! > 1621704890 91354 PRIVMSG #esoteric : How would you write the program > 1621704903 241396 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The Funge-98 Lahey-space is pretty funky on its own, even if it may look like a plane when you don't consider the wrapping. > 1621704962 154202 PRIVMSG #esoteric : some people would use a specialized editor, just like they now do for writing Java programs, other people would just use C-x M-c M-butterfly , because it's still represented as a sequence of bytes > 1621704964 889034 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we can even make arbitrary jumps like unfamous logo turtle would: (1) rotate in place a rational multiple of 2π and (2) go a rational amount in your current direction > 1621704994 232224 PRIVMSG #esoteric : meow > 1621704997 543710 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is this the cool place to be > 1621705002 195733 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we can afford a countable set of jump/rotate instructions just for this insanity > 1621705015 377263 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: no, this is a channel full of weird nerds > 1621705022 255326 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol taneb > 1621705028 838864 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i am not weird > 1621705029 824712 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i am cd > 1621705038 228021 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: just use a finite generator > 1621705059 453244 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Weird nerds and a circular object that stores data > 1621705088 37040 PRIVMSG #esoteric : weird nerds are cool > 1621705091 914021 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: hm in the end we’ll be able to unify all that inside some finite-generator free group, yeah, though only if the program is finite > 1621705092 14656 PRIVMSG #esoteric : furthermore, i am a weird nerd > 1621705101 589952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: well then, this must be the cool place to be > 1621705108 22610 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ergo de facto > 1621705131 239384 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: no, I mean a finite generator for finitely many rotate/jump instructions > 1621705140 851519 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it possible that zzo will join this irc channel? > 1621705159 722343 PRIVMSG #esoteric : meow > 1621705171 737455 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river: it's certainly concievable > 1621705181 514828 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But who knows what zzo will do > 1621705185 695601 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo will probably make his own irc network based on gopher or something > 1621705208 555351 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, we'll build a bridge to it when that happens. > 1621705234 69832 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I learned the other day that Gopher is named for the mascot of the university where it was invented (University of Minnesota), in addition to being maybe a pun on "go for" > 1621705258 782401 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: yeah that’s what I read; but that’s equivalent for a program being finite, as it’ll be able to use only finitely many instructions. But I think it’ll be good to allow any rational rotations and translations in general > 1621705275 791759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: no no > 1621705299 238410 PRIVMSG #esoteric : s/for/to > 1621705386 40159 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you'd allow the program to span a potentially unlimited part of a grid on the hyperbolic plane, just as saner fungeoids do on the euclidean plane. euclidean fungoids only need a few jump builtins too. > 1621705478 939697 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh hey, neat, you got the forward. > 1621705581 770786 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imode: fizzie did that. "just couldn't resist", he said. I knew it was the #esoteric thing to do. > 1621705655 169125 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thumbs-up from me. > 1621705724 355119 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it'll probably only stay for a transitional period, then we'll just stabilize on one network, but still > 1621705727 962330 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's fun > 1621705803 417094 PRIVMSG #esoteric : uh those NickServ shenanigans < 1621705995 134763 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00293c718687f63537.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621706327 196233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: they can help too, sure > 1621706339 708079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : isn't his name "fungot" though? > 1621706340 135171 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: unfortunately, recent employment statistics for the whole of europe, is a most serious precedent that i would like, however, that development is undertaken in other areas. in july last year on behalf of the european parliament wants an interinstitutional agreement, the commission has not done for years. > 1621706360 564122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : isn't his name "fungot" though? => both first and last? > 1621706360 862849 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: mr president, first of all, i would like to say how glad i am not in a very striking way something that is absolutely clear; and we must equally ensure that there is annoyance and disappointment over the commission, by the european union > 1621706382 387579 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though hm of course it will be both first and last if it’s just a single one > 1621706412 723869 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > map ($ ["fungot"]) [first, last] > 1621706413 68281 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: mr president, of course, but this should be accompanied by an assessment of whether this sum really makes up for deficiencies in the actual texts of regulations relating to the situation prior to harmonisation. amendment no 3 > 1621706420 67408 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nooo < 1621706475 801321 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1621706511 774 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ($ ["fungot"]) [first, last] > 1621706511 470740 PRIVMSG #esoteric : esolangs1: mr president, i should like to start by expressing my total support for an exceptional report and for the quality of bathing water quality, taking account of the obstacles which deny children access to a mother or father indeed, to make proposals for upward harmonisation of tobacco taxation. the point of view. < 1621706512 441235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1621706512 553798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Couldn't match type ‘a b’ with ‘[]’ < 1621706512 553915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [[Char]] -> a (b, d) ([Char], d) > 1621706529 949356 PRIVMSG #esoteric : did you guys know there are online card payment providers that don't accept name ("exactly as it's on written on the card") with accented letter, and I have a card with an accented letter in my name embossed? > 1621706540 576323 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Whoops, not ignoring the bridge when it's got its altnick on. > 1621706639 616759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: Oh, right. When you're not busy, there's an obvious lambdabot deficiency here. < 1621706660 96108 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let first = head in map ($ ["fung​ot"]) [first, last] < 1621706661 591310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:34: error: < 1621706661 591426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character '\8203' < 1621706672 798215 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let first = head in map ($ ["fungot"]) [first, last] > 1621706672 968316 PRIVMSG #esoteric : esolangs1: mr president, on the fnord. the terrorists dragged him over the last two years. < 1621706674 172231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["fungot","fungot"] > 1621706674 316060 PRIVMSG #esoteric : esolangs1: madam president, i have a number of regional meetings with representatives of the presidency. < 1621706682 558425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Client Quit > 1621706730 827014 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: mmm, obvious? < 1621706743 663769 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'jevalbot is still here, isn't it?' < 1621706744 33647 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |open quote < 1621706744 33797 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | 'jevalbot is still here, isn't it?' < 1621706744 33849 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | ^ > 1621706751 922138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : did you guys know there are online card payment providers that don't accept name ("exactly as it's on written on the card") with accented letter, and I have a card with an accented letter in my name embossed? => didn’t know they allow non-ASCII latin there > 1621706777 204417 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't prove it because I obviously won't show a photo of my embossed credit card > 1621706788 185847 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no I believe perfectly > 1621706813 383871 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: Well, obvious in the sense that someone tried to use it but it wasn't here. > 1621706847 713815 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the bank's homepage shows example credit card images, but they look fake, not real photos of credit cards < 1621706853 848352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1621706853 871667 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe that's not quite the right adjective. Blatant? Something. > 1621706871 756896 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I don't know what to look for. > 1621706895 609881 PRIVMSG #esoteric : over here, they transliterate to ASCII latin and do that quite liberally. I bet й and ий have more than two transliterations there in the wild. There were standards on that but not a single one and almost always they seem to be ignored > 1621706943 520312 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: I mean, if I wasn't clear -- it's just not on this channel, it's on the deprecated one. > 1621706963 199533 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: ah! > 1621706978 567850 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Also was that > prefix thing special too? I don't know for sure.) > 1621706988 446113 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "it" in "use it" referred to the bot as a whole, not to a particular feature that was missing > 1621707007 171687 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imagine you can end up with ы and й transliterated the same (as y). Though it is the ambiguity that’s worse, as sometimes the card transliteration should for some reason match with transliterations in other places, or something. And you need to somehow control that the bureaucrats match them :D > 1621707049 755708 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11:06 < b_jonas> I can't prove it because I obviously won't show a photo of my embossed credit card > 1621707052 988382 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could redact the number > 1621707060 568700 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just make sure to actually cover it with a black box or something > 1621707064 913930 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rather than blurring or pixelating < 1621707067 31833 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a001111794972a12868.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1621707080 417729 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think most people realize how easily you can recover even heavily blurred or pixelated text if you have a strong prior > 1621707111 763568 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and 16 digits with known spacing and font is a very strong prior > 1621707126 368986 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: yep usually it’s a gaussian blur or something alike > 1621707127 319900 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone had just failed redacting a PDF with the usual thing (opaque black box drawn on top, original data not removed), I thought nobody was really doing that anymore. > 1621707143 966362 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: a Zen variation of not seeing the forest for the trees... there were no trees > 1621707144 666507 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't remember where, some piece of local government maybe. > 1621707148 491071 PRIVMSG #esoteric : whats your unique ID? > 1621707212 252808 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: I refuse < 1621707218 738540 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PART :#esoteric < 1621707221 79484 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621707237 908416 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do redact some photos, like ones with people's faces, but I won't do that in this case > 1621707273 864357 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I know I should consider myself lucky for having an ASCII-only name, but I miss out on all these stories. > 1621707286 511504 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: . o O ( When I said "send it electronically" I meant it to be printed and faxed, not sent by email! ) > 1621707338 481020 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have an ascii name too > 1621707339 60583 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Where might one find fungot-compatible models? :P > 1621707339 357452 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, in his opinion, regretted that fewer and fewer borders in international crime. according to the rule of law; the european initiative for democracy and human rights. < 1621707351 891484 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621707385 127961 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we are having a baby in about 15 weeks and are still deciding about names but we have decided firmly on using the printable ASCII subset (no NULs or BELs) > 1621707388 843869 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my surname has a non-initial capital, which a lot of systems drop, but it hasn't caused me problems > 1621707394 159096 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: You might consider training some of your own. There's step-by-step instructions at https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/varikn/readme.txt for the "modern" training method. > 1621707394 752607 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: mr president, i would like to convey my objections at least, to that year and thus during the previous magps, which compensated for any reduction in working hours will help to create or improve counselling and legal advice centres which will be to report on their activities, for it is undoubtedly the case that if there is a wider rural world than farming and tourism development. this means that we have all made every ef > 1621707430 333677 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooh, I might look at that. thanks, fizzie > 1621707430 719672 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: (no NULs or BELs) => consoling > 1621707442 261784 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: aren't ASCII-only names the majority in Finland? > 1621707467 423662 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've never uploaded the pre-baked ones anywhere. I guess a lot of them are based on public materials, but maybe there's an ethics question in there somewhere too, cloning an AI vs. growing a new one in a similar environment, I don't know. > 1621707467 665725 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think it's something you need to consider lucky > 1621707489 407526 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: It might be a majority, but it's not a huge majority, ä and ö are pretty common in names. > 1621707495 624590 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wifey and I have different surnames so that complicates things too > 1621707502 586822 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, it might be a 90% majority or something, but not like orders-of-magnitude majority. > 1621707547 21798 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I imagine it could get funnier if you have a name with rare letters, and a bank official can't type it > 1621707577 166557 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a lot of mojibake in snailmail from abroad, at least. > 1621707585 152470 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Based on friends' experiences.) > 1621707599 591598 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll have to find some good materials to bae it on > 1621707601 688811 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *base > 1621707635 710473 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: yeah, it's funny when shops in china can't correctly print non-ascii letters on the address stickers of mail > 1621707656 967414 PRIVMSG #esoteric : A friend of mine who moved to Australia has also been having trouble with his last name (two ä's), because different pieces of officialdom insist on spelling it differently, and then complain about mismatches. > 1621707662 854330 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I imagine it could get funnier if you have a name with rare letters, and a bank official can't type it => Ʌşŧȣλð Mŋödøczeς > 1621707662 909093 PRIVMSG #esoteric : still amazed by https://celebraterickysargulesh.tumblr.com/post/31917763793/wizardishungry-an-image-of-a-post-envelope-with > 1621707687 926475 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are some short street names that are almost impossible to guess from the mangled addresses > 1621707757 116136 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: what is that? < 1621707900 897681 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: 뒞 > 1621708360 514037 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they're supposed to be real names in universe, but I think he deliberately avoids real names out of universe to avoid offending someone real > 1621708383 257440 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (still about the Polish one: we should probably ask kspalaiologos about what tsch-letter is correct, I don’t know at all how do they differ. Maybe one of them was for a hard ch and the other for the soft one) > 1621708387 994262 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm guessing Myyntti Raatalla is mock-Finnish, and that's just so bad when it comes to phoneme durations. "Myntti Raattala" you could have. In fact, I think Raattala is a real surname. > 1621708443 969479 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: I think I might have heard about that polka from a friend, he translated it to some language IIRC > 1621708471 380294 PRIVMSG #esoteric : part of the in-universe story is about a person who wants to change their surname > 1621708547 893154 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we have that list analyzed in a few points of #esoteric logs. I think it even got changed to better represent the languages of regulars. > 1621708564 421394 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which is why it doesn't have any spanish or portugese names by the way > 1621708571 83013 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because we don't consider the Canaima guys regulars > 1621708647 672231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83189&oldid=82647 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+14) 10added John Conway to the list of deaths in the comment of unimplemented ideas > 1621708763 821539 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though I guess we should add a russian name to it now > 1621708817 706324 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Huh, I always thought those names were a reflection of which languages are available in the thing. > 1621708830 935035 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` words --help > 1621708831 947358 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger datasets more influential \ -o, --target-offset change the target length offset used in the \ > 1621708834 970211 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words -l > 1621708835 858857 PRIVMSG #esoteric : valid datasets: --brazilian --bulgarian --canadian-english-insane --catalan --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --esolangs --finnish --french --gaelic --german --german-medical --hebrew --irish --italian --manx --norwegian --ogerman --opcode --pokemon --polish --portuguese --russian --spanish --swedish \ default: --eng-1M > 1621708836 428617 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` words -l > 1621708837 479586 PRIVMSG #esoteric : valid datasets: --brazilian --bulgarian --canadian-english-insane --catalan --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --esolangs --finnish --french --gaelic --german --german-medical --hebrew --irish --italian --manx --norwegian --ogerman --opcode --pokemon --polish --portuguese --russian --spanish --swedish \ default: --eng-1M > 1621708838 130738 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though I couldn’t give an advice on that, as they are too diverse because of cultural mixing > 1621708849 70816 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas ↑ > 1621708895 525222 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: sure, most of the Hungarian names are mixed in too, and the easiest way to make an authentic sounding Hungarian name is to hungarianize the spelling and phonology of a fake foreign name > 1621708902 662928 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like, not that diverse of course, but I think I would be a bad advisor nonetheless > 1621708913 766561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: haha > 1621708924 578298 PRIVMSG #esoteric : are there good fake pokemon name generator models? > 1621708941 842387 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `pokemon > 1621708942 633002 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pokemon? No such file or directory > 1621708946 734597 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `pokemons > 1621708947 513197 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pokemons? No such file or directory > 1621708974 162091 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I bet HackEso had something for that, though you’d know better if it’s good > 1621709095 482935 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it has the same problem: there are less than a thousand real pokemon names (right now; it will grow), so it's hard to generate fake ones that look real > 1621709140 765546 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words --pokemon > 1621709142 93641 PRIVMSG #esoteric : turtor > 1621709161 181534 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I tried to generate fake town names of Hungary, there the sample is like 2500, the best ones I got are "Rúgonya" and one that I forgot but that turned out to be the Hungarian name of some town outside of Hungary > 1621709165 132700 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: ah yes, I'm stupid > 1621709180 900988 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words --pokemon -o 2 20 > 1621709181 929914 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nectriken victinaracturtwig skitunky druddiursa cascoloss darumbrelibird lier bunny thundoublast tsareecko banetapod torb snorlax gigalitle leafeon klinklantini wigglyphlos wurmplumismagius macharjabug fomalakie > 1621709194 861932 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the command was right here; I have no eyes and I must seem^W see > 1621709196 428216 PRIVMSG #esoteric : snorlax is real > 1621709212 503535 PRIVMSG #esoteric : banetapod sounds nice > 1621709221 14090 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wurmplumismagius :D > 1621709221 931035 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thundoublast also sounds nice > 1621709229 201827 PRIVMSG #esoteric : gigalitle too > 1621709232 707429 PRIVMSG #esoteric : leafeon... isn't that real? > 1621709242 9897 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, leafeon is real > 1621709294 365979 PRIVMSG #esoteric : klinklantini seems to have an affinity to alcohol > 1621709308 636942 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and glassware > 1621709338 172413 PRIVMSG #esoteric : are there inanimate-ish pokemon? > 1621709356 474249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, geosomething < 1621709971 401898 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --russian -o 2 20 < 1621709972 995869 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​помозноджан забытказывалешени недвыхъ каральвили делагоспит вижиша выноукрентагза сарканькенностивобесу силастера пятиилосильскологи encessemble наструиравноплюсь кализируютъ повидовлеей кобразведенцию эндзанный мишагосязато срабамбовал > 1621709978 975301 PRIVMSG #esoteric : seems legit > 1621709999 351199 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words --russian -o -2 20 > 1621710000 906045 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​констваркова дедотают бушиться бегуньски ушисьмедстанов амвтрением диием сокон итропасность софено прибергу правьдана него едают полютретья испрусахь службылинъ кортзанных мускаакопрохо некдуфайтестиленно < 1621710034 963549 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like fake Bulgarian > 1621710064 302909 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words --bulgarian 20 > 1621710066 193474 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​дървостех сноших кьосветник разубедения гътнализврем борницата дюдюкаработите подоветнадрънча присарските засияване бъбряваш отцеждити ненажима уверно докаялия непокващ добифовавяващ известе одейки замърсващи > 1621710211 657745 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "бъбряваш" starts with "бъб", as if it deliberately tried to look not russian when you specify --bulgarian > 1621710244 280072 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also "дървостех" > 1621710294 411645 PRIVMSG #esoteric : кализируютъ -- that Ъ in the end is some from 19th century rules > 1621710295 979332 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: both have some of the brain in https://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2663#comic => haha that’s perfect > 1621710302 874031 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course that's exactly the kind of thing that these models can do well > 1621710380 237415 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey, did you notice it has "encessemble" among russian words? > 1621710414 737730 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep, some garbage in the used dictionary > 1621710427 668920 PRIVMSG #esoteric : let's try shorter ones > 1621710434 588789 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words --russian -o -4 20 > 1621710435 967354 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​олярхад пам коэфф консоверно сильчагосуджей горой бразпагоники забадскаго манскомъ оного еваталис росшуюся вых водизмораснов порщитном девязнь ивкал инируемыхъ оттопа разденьков > 1621710441 909841 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the short ones look more believable > 1621710453 558831 PRIVMSG #esoteric : горой is a valid word > 1621710461 642610 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bulgarian is funny to read even when it’s genuine. Hopefully Bulgarians wouldn’t take offense > 1621710464 446117 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also оного > 1621710469 849446 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so is "сокон" from above > 1621710474 178240 PRIVMSG #esoteric : коэфф ъ > 1621710477 34423 PRIVMSG #esoteric : => lol > 1621710498 319580 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "вых" doesn't look real > 1621710504 170414 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that’s a common abbreviation for коэффициент coefficient > 1621710518 638923 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh! > 1621710519 455147 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice > 1621710550 180142 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and "ивкал" looks suspicious with its trailing "л" > 1621710587 621714 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's normal for past tense verbs > 1621710597 534747 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah good > 1621710659 322876 PRIVMSG #esoteric : again that trailing Ъ > 1621710680 389658 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in "инируемыхъ"? it looks especially silly after an "х" > 1621710713 224723 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or do you mean in "манскомъ"? > 1621710804 946710 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_sign#Final_yer_pre-1918 > 1621710808 108600 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "бразпагоники" looks like a good fake word > 1621711273 776346 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `word --pokemon -o -4 20 > 1621711274 826410 PRIVMSG #esoteric : re > 1621711279 376857 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` words --pokemon -o -4 20 > 1621711280 402069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rhypno luxe buizel mine crabra gastly sheliolitwig flygon foon mise smoem swamphan cate per quil celgon gole vestang maka arcant > 1621711300 190978 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` words --pokemon 20 > 1621711301 217921 PRIVMSG #esoteric : carra rhyhorsea venusaur chirita tepin tyran oritarmada exploom grubi digon mushao bulbat dusken lopunne feebast aegiroc lumin skartic popotad staravile > 1621711310 774863 PRIVMSG #esoteric : exploom is nice > 1621711314 855875 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bulbat too > 1621712086 556069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like these symbols https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glagolitic_script > 1621712263 664287 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ⰰ Ⰱ Ⰲ Ⰳ Ⰴ Ⰵ Ⰶ Ⰷ Ⰸ Ⰹ Ⰺ Ⰻ Ⰼ Ⰽ Ⰾ Ⰿ > 1621712547 816607 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i like them too < 1621712817 547765 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621713022 894673 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621713052 129799 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621713052 258604 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621713064 758406 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621713211 740536 PRIVMSG #esoteric : someone said they are cute because of circles in most of them. I’d say they remind Greek-Latin-Cyrillic “continuum” but on the other hand are pretty alien, hence the effect. Tifinagh gives me a similar feeling > 1621713311 378427 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Arrival > 1621713331 364113 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but for instance Armenian script looks too alien to me, and less unique. I surely wouldn’t want to be an Armenian dyslectic > 1621713343 867763 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, hadn’t watched that one yet > 1621713434 757858 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: I'm too used to all major scripts, the internet makes the world small, they don't look alien to me anymore < 1621713551 265348 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PART :#esoteric > 1621713652 47747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83190&oldid=83155 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+710) 10Added an introductory section and a reference section, and amended a mistake in the documentation of the Common Lisp implementation. > 1621713712 803505 PRIVMSG #esoteric : latin, russian, serbian cyrillic, greek, latin vietnamese, georgian, armenian, hebrew, arabic, persian, chinese kanji, japenese kanji plus kana, hangul, the more common brahmic scripts (devanagari, thai, bengali), latin braille are the ones I see the most often. you can still surprise me with the infinte variety of rarer ones, but not armenian. < 1621713736 494223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric > 1621713784 304235 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and yes, it's the internet of geeks, so I also see akkadian cuneiform and futhark > 1621713796 830364 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hum, trying to comprehend how hackeso's umlbox works, can't seem to figure out how to get output out of it aha > 1621713807 143074 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and old hungarian runes, always used in a very non-authentic way) > 1621713816 828405 PRIVMSG #esoteric : everything else worked after some quick fixes to init.c > 1621713902 50254 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: I used serial terminal in termbot, but I don't know how HackEso works > 1621714003 740852 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://pybin.pw/LoXF seems it tries to use some tty device, but i'm not sure where ../tty1 is in that particular context > 1621714048 185454 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: in a sense, many to me too, though I don’t read most of them at any rate. Mostly from translations on food packaging and instruction manuals. But Armenian, to continue the example, is alien in its, well, guiding principles or something. It’s strange how do they read fluently letters that are almost exclusively vertical bars. Someone said most cyrillic letters aren’t as legible as latin because there are less ascenders and > 1621714048 320648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : descenders, and often just vertical and horizontal strokes (in lowercase), and the first one seems worse. Though hand-written Armenian looked way more legible IIRC > 1621714116 773999 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83191&oldid=83190 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-52) 10/* References */ Use wikipedia link > 1621714177 702687 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: well sure, but in the same sense you could say Chinese kanji is the most readable > 1621714214 417647 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well they are if you memorized them, I guess? > 1621714245 327342 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they are pretty distinct in mass, and also they have some underlying logic, though not a too sane one due to historic process > 1621714253 813254 PRIVMSG #esoteric : as for "exclusively vertical bars", that's how latin script was written in old codexes, so it depends on the font too > 1621714320 111409 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wouldn’t say A C D G K M N O P Q R S U/V X Y Z would still be exclusively vertical bars > 1621714334 252706 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean look at the Gutenberg Bible, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Gutenberg_Bible_B42_Genesis.JPG , which set the traditions for how high quality typeset books are supposed to look like, heavily based on handwritten books > 1621714339 14801 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or do you mean something like fractur? > 1621714357 755238 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: you have to take lowercase letters, uppercase is rare comapratively > 1621714358 94757 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that’s evidently not too legible yeah > 1621714398 184512 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's like you draw a sequence of identical vertical lines with serifs on the top and bottom, and modify them with tiny additions or subtractions to turn them to different letters > 1621714401 694287 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, so I definitely wasn’t right to think about as far as some roman inscriptions in all capitals > 1621714440 590103 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the roman inscriptions that you see in lapidariums? those are readable to us because the capitals in the Times style fonts that we are used to are based directly on them so they're very similar, > 1621714447 374203 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Gutenberg_Bible_B42_Genesis.JPG => yep yep that’s the worst > 1621714452 567642 PRIVMSG #esoteric : except that they use very different abbreviations and fewer spaces > 1621714457 526042 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how did they read poor people > 1621714492 102323 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and those abbreviations too, yeah, I read about their diversity and changes in time several months ago > 1621714509 943605 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone might want to arrange for the esolangs bot to be autovoiced. If someone were to hit it with a lot of URIs, it responding with a flood of URI details without at least voice status will trigger a flood notice to network staff, and one of our bots is currently configured to be twitchy about that (it will murder it). > 1621714553 96212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: which abbreviations did you read about? the ones in roman era engraving, or the ones in hand-written mediæval latin codexes > 1621714582 381165 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: mediæval ones :) > 1621714612 728891 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the difference is that the mediæval scribal ones use a lot of unique diacritics; the engraved latin ones are basically pure ascii latin letters with the occasional middle dot separator < 1621714741 494892 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a001111794972a12868.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621714772 666332 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have photos of a bunch of old steles with text in various scripts engraved in them, from museums > 1621714775 752129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they can look great > 1621714794 120009 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are even a few with hieroglyphs carefully engraved as concave rather than convex > 1621714799 240457 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sorry, convex rather than concave > 1621714800 752955 PRIVMSG #esoteric : embossed > 1621714807 878603 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you imagine doing that to marble? > 1621714836 56748 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course that only happens in egyptian pyramids and similar > 1621714842 819354 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not for more practical scribal documents > 1621714857 924956 PRIVMSG #esoteric : those are all engraved the normal concave way > 1621714991 64469 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the one that looks the most impressive IRL (though not necessarily in photo) is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Stele_of_Ashurnasirpal_II_from_Nimrud > 1621715038 865864 PRIVMSG #esoteric : carved from a single block of stone, quite tall, and looms over you, because you can get very close to it, since it's exhibited without any glass or plastic case surrounding it < 1621715330 22095 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621715492 453811 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^source > 1621715492 560198 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 > 1621715606 793485 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am super close to getting umlbox working > 1621715611 356510 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just output being a pain > 1621715613 185650 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :< > 1621715622 370200 PRIVMSG #esoteric : stdout y u no work > 1621715624 480693 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you imagine doing that to marble? => seems a lot of work! < 1621715642 507877 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621715721 970852 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah > 1621715723 769073 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mudem is broke < 1621715827 242487 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-1523-141.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621715957 510061 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621716004 774338 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621716030 1027 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: sorry for the poke, trying to get umlbox working and the one thing holding me up is stdout. Not sure how to get it to actually give me the result of the ran command atm > 1621716077 531588 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh i see you have a umlbox fork :P > 1621716079 641897 PRIVMSG #esoteric : All I remember about it is, it's very temperamental. Especially when it comes to the output. > 1621716112 906762 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, if you want the specifics of how it's set up for HackEso, it's that version of umlbox, and then the hackbot repo shows how it's being invoked. > 1621716123 602474 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I mostly just did a rewritten init. > 1621716147 651245 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I think my setup is mudem-free, because I didn't need any multiplexing. > 1621716253 994368 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://esolangs.org/wiki/HackEso#Implementation_details might also have some useful tidbit in it, who knows. Probably not, though. > 1621716284 655432 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thanks, atm I'm considering the feasability of rehosting hackeso, again. > 1621716292 359293 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just for fun mostly > 1621716310 48925 PRIVMSG #esoteric : whole setup is quite interesting aha > 1621716388 809755 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I certainly noticed it's temperamental ^^; < 1621717513 45201 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-1523-141.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1621717760 119309 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi > 1621717831 410427 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello Lykaina > 1621717845 720665 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you haven't been here for a while < 1621717958 901784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Lykaina < 1621717967 675796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably move over to Libera soonish > 1621717978 352862 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just setting up Libera > 1621718056 741625 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: when you do, let me know > 1621718146 245750 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is bridged < 1621718191 981333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621718202 645453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1621718206 735120 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river: and publicly logged > 1621718432 462703 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh shit > 1621718436 823925 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how do I delete my previous message < 1621718483 148281 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621718489 882216 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso JOIN :#esoteric > 1621718496 766820 PRIVMSG #esoteric : We should probably figure out a mechanism for that, actually. Though it's complicated by having it publicly logged to a bunch of independent places. > 1621718533 484067 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I think there are multiple incompatible IRC extensions for that > 1621718559 233436 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at least one more native IRC one, and one that twitch uses to map its own message deletes > 1621718569 54873 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The name of this place almost makes me sad that we won't get people coming in here thinking it's about ghosts > 1621718586 20364 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: We've got #esoteric redirected here, so it's still quite possible. > 1621718589 630973 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: we will, because #esoteric redirects here > 1621718622 520865 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: we might not have Canaima people coming in here, so we should submit a patch to Canaima to forward them here, plus keep some amount of presence on freenode/#esoteric to redirect anyone who arrives there > 1621718674 814285 PRIVMSG #esoteric : agh what a pain > 1621718680 702758 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i got everything working only for no output again > 1621718748 601144 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Canaima? > 1621718804 130906 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? canaima > 1621718806 126820 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're here. > 1621718869 796272 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there any language or other math system that has no zero? > 1621718903 107347 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ancient phoenecian > 1621718911 557373 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it's like the old AOL install CDs, but they mistyped the contact phone number, so everyone arrives here > 1621718992 991440 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh by the way, the television media card thingy that I just installed to my grandma's television (basically just follow the instructions on the paper manual to type in a few numbers and insert the card into the slot in the back of the TV) gives an error message that refers the user to an obsolete customer service short phone number that now call a different inappropriate service provider's customer > 1621718999 5696 PRIVMSG #esoteric : service > 1621719012 446519 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the short phone numbers keep changing every few years, probably as a method of obfuscations so fewer people reach customer services > 1621719031 737024 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like changing IRC networks > 1621719088 40581 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: there's Forte where you have to cope with some numbers being unusable, and there was another esolang with a similar property but with the set of unusable numbers fixed > 1621719100 991598 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yes > 1621719108 759789 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but that doesn't happen every few yeras > 1621719129 398288 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have entries inherited from around 2008 in my irc configuration that still work > 1621719132 403261 PRIVMSG #esoteric : channels > 1621719163 867429 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: do you happen to have any clue as to what causes stdout to just not work? > 1621719180 19750 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there should be a RAM with unusable memory addresses that correspond to prime numbers, preferably very large prime numbers > 1621719185 51157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have the entire multibot setup functional, it's just umlbox not cooperating now > 1621719206 498504 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: oh yeah, that exists too: > 1621719254 878806 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.linusakesson.net/scene/safevsp/index.php > 1621719291 755476 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it mentions a case where you want to program such that every eighths byte in the memory is unusable > 1621719387 71585 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I remember how on 32 Windows every 4th gigabyte of 4 GB RAM was unusable > 1621719388 957989 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: prime numbers are easier, because there are large gaps between them, so if the memory is infinitely large, you can just choose a large enough contiguous subset. sure, it might require you to buy an exponentially larger sized memory chip, who cares, RAM is cheap > 1621719391 537599 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: Not really, just vague recollections that I've had problems with the output, especially when it comes to those con1/con2/con UML command-line arguments and getting them all right. > 1621719425 580400 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas ok, prime number div 100 > 1621719501 44848 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's something very unintuitive about what those parameters mean, especially when it comes to separate input and output designations. > 1621719556 925059 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm pretty sure I had it in a state at least once where the `-v` mode worked fine but had all that kernel output spam, while the non-verbose version just lost the command stdout somewhere. > 1621719609 973217 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not impossible there's even some Linux kernel version differences, I've certainly had to do tweaking when upgrading the kernel. > 1621719613 384467 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or imagine the memory that rotates sometimes, like by 1 byte every second > 1621719673 341125 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the growing end does not copy data from the dying start but fills with zeros > 1621719695 860029 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I might have it working on Debian's UML kernel at the moment, rather than a self-built one. Maybe. Can't tell from my notes. > 1621719729 45540 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw about notes that you can't tell from > 1621719746 877111 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it also common in other countries that it's damn impossible to read what doctors write? > 1621719759 602524 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA+%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0&rlz=1C1SQJL_ruRU840RU840&sxsrf=ALeKk03EOZnntQ-kI9YTsmdda1hgQS0vdA:1621719750655&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-s6btoN7wAhXjl4sKHfJmAGMQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1279&bih=684&dpr=2 > 1621719764 28360 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, looks like it's built from Debian's `user-mode-linux` package sources but with patching. > 1621719779 371592 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I think doctors' handwriting is one of those classic things to joke about, so probably. > 1621719833 521668 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: that would just be like old DRAMs with no built-in refresh logic, so you have to refresh them from the CPU > 1621719845 753079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just looked at like 10 of these images and could not understand a single word, neither I could do about my own medical book > 1621719854 129759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, > 1621719879 234051 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: you're fizzie's second-in-command, do you have any opinion to weigh in about the future of #esoteric after all the freenode drama? I'd like to hear > 1621719900 470267 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yes, that's common > 1621719923 255642 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: pharmacists train hard to be able to read it, and then they tell stories about particular doctors where even they can't read the handwriting > 1621719964 538123 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (also about stupid doctors who write readable but stupid instructions, for which they have to check and filter out to not harm the patient too much, but that's less funny) > 1621719979 539227 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they should have a special font now when it's computerised > 1621720006 274239 PRIVMSG #esoteric : called kshfjdbhfj.ttf > 1621720052 653198 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that said, my handwriting is unreadable too > 1621720068 26713 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it's very different from my brother's handwriting > 1621720073 844511 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe you have medical talents you didn't develop > 1621720081 920785 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, it's my brother who's the doctor > 1621720083 694872 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I'm not sure it's even attempting to run the kernel, judging from the --verbose output > 1621720087 149510 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION sighs > 1621720135 733519 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or rather, i'm getting no output from the kernel > 1621720190 526952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : running the command myself "works" (tmp file since deleted) > 1621720281 909710 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://pybin.pw/He0C atm this is the most it tells me > 1621720355 972836 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol issue closed https://github.com/sjvasquez/handwriting-synthesis/issues/9 > 1621721123 4469 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok wtf, uml is very much being tempermental > 1621721218 780581 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > ioctl /random: bad address > 1621721220 686193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: > 1621721220 758316 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Variable not in scope: ioctl :: g -> (a, g)error: > 1621721220 771554 PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Variable not in scope: bad :: t0 -> [g -> (a, g)] > 1621721224 724197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:AlvinBalvin32114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83192&oldid=76349 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (+4720) 10/* ? */ > 1621721489 133358 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output now works by removing random entirely, but writing to env doesn't seem to function > 1621721804 684380 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` cat $(which "\`") > 1621721805 641058 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#!/bin/bash \ cmd="${@-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnoooooodl > 1621721851 316417 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wthat the heck? > 1621721853 91684 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `quote > 1621721853 919691 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1030) your first mistake was making your second mistake > 1621721863 324283 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` which rnoooooodl > 1621721864 178443 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output. > 1621721867 158382 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` cat $(which rnoooooodl) > 1621721868 78458 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output. > 1621721881 543464 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` grep -R / rnoooooodl > 1621721884 536246 PRIVMSG #esoteric : grep: rnoooooodl: No such file or directory > 1621721890 542622 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` grep -R rnoooooodl / > 1621721924 419463 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, that thing. > 1621721926 294420 PRIVMSG #esoteric : grep: /etc/alternatives/my.cnf: No such file or directory > 1621721939 508852 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river: It's actually got a few less 'o's in it. > 1621721952 383888 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `cbt ` > 1621721953 201516 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#!/bin/bash \ cmd="${@-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnooodl > 1621721973 856613 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But when you're *actually* running through it, it adds more. > 1621721986 643271 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `cbt rnooodl > 1621721987 446744 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' > 1621721988 488490 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Of coursee > 1621722247 519171 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I hate rnoodl, and I hate bin/\` for using it > 1621722280 688721 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bin/\`\` too > 1621722299 294692 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I always wanted to just remove it from bin/\` and bin/\`\` but I don't dare > 1621722304 978867 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it can stay in the wisdom commands < 1621722624 122450 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621724025 299041 PRIVMSG #esoteric : when I was coding in RASEL I needed to make some large number and it appeared to be less trivial to do that in Befunge > 1621724051 907563 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in Befunge you just :*:*:*:* to increase it rapidly but it's more complicated when you don't have a multiplication operation < 1621724137 773698 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621724172 858468 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so you can either have a large N and repeat :1\// > 1621724248 451011 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or maybe do some 1 / (1/N - 1/M) but I'm not 100% sure it would be any faster per cycle > 1621724297 124145 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but may make the path towards the number you need more interesting < 1621724399 756737 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621724420 481205 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621724432 770384 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621724477 947923 PRIVMSG #esoteric : annnd hackbot copy is now mostly working(tm) > 1621724490 473918 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `revision > 1621724490 890698 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice > 1621724491 302767 PRIVMSG #esoteric : revision? No such file or directory < 1621724521 125999 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621724782 500741 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Whoops, need to flip a setting. < 1621724795 215462 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1621725369 120824 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps the most esoteric thing of all, a minutely more descriptive channel name > 1621725478 231637 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PaRappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83193&oldid=83149 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+737) 10 > 1621725799 190826 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh "profession" would have fit in the religious theme < 1621726672 649380 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621726946 650623 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621727587 712472 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621727846 674458 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds