> 1623456378 921029 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A returns a14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84360&oldid=84300 5* 03Jetison333 5* (+0) 10/* Code examples */ < 1623457245 299394 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1623457952 353008 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e832:95e8:fb15:4682 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1623460571 633740 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Corbin: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic says "Blackbird" <-- after a little wikiwalk inspired by wikipedia's featured picture, turns out those are not actually corvids > 1623460723 389034 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (neither the european nor american version) > 1623460811 116958 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *old world nor new world > 1623461014 260391 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Zoology is wack, huh? And bluejays are corvids despite looking like passerines. TIL, thanks. > 1623461266 476086 PRIVMSG #esoteric : corvids are a subset of passerines, aren't they? > 1623461282 601403 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae "Order: Passeriformes" > 1623461340 968907 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like jays > 1623461360 85941 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we don't have blue jays here but we have scrub jays and Steller's jays > 1623461363 201747 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steller's_jay > 1623461379 302705 PRIVMSG #esoteric : very striking appearance > 1623461398 311503 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh heck, so you need to know both ornithology and bird sociology to tell whether there's a combinatorial bird that's also a corvid > 1623461432 701341 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or more likely, solve some kind of puzzle where the forest's keeper tells you about rules that somehow involve corvids and bird application, Smullyan style > 1623461519 336222 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "After observing this forest for twenty years, I have discovered three interesting rules. (1) For every corvid A, there is a bird B such that BA is not a corvid. [...] > 1623461602 948018 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `I have pondered your observations all night, and have discovered a striking fact. None of the birds in this forest are corvids.' [...] `Curious. I've been observing this forest for 20 years and never realized that.'" > 1623461604 652576 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I? No such file or directory > 1623461631 569589 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (The actual punchline in the book that none of the birds ever sing in the forest is much better than the one with corvids, I admit.) > 1623461874 969529 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: Oh, interesting, TIL again. I thought "passerine" was just how zoologists say "songbird". The most common corvids here are crows, and they don't exactly ♩ sing ♪ > 1623461882 495596 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or perhaps it would be something like "From these three rules, detective Craig could derive the following properities. 1. All bluebirds are corvids. 2. None of the kestrels in this forest are corvids. Can you also prove those properties?" > 1623461974 740356 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think the most common songbirds here are common blackbirds > 1623462001 787145 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but maybe they're just the most obviously recognizable, with their yellow beak but otherwise black body, while some of the other corvids are all black and hard to distinguish from each other > 1623462031 327755 PRIVMSG #esoteric : crows might be more common > 1623462206 802756 PRIVMSG #esoteric : crows are very common here > 1623462212 212083 PRIVMSG #esoteric : almost as common as pigeons < 1623462601 37165 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm > 1623462989 12561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's sparrows that are common here, the little greedy guys > 1623462992 876649 PRIVMSG #esoteric : crows are more common than pigeons here > 1623463028 83895 PRIVMSG #esoteric : although they compete with seagulls, depending on time of year > 1623463040 421530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think pigeons are more common than crows, though there also seem to be less pigeons than there used to be. maybe the generation of old city folks who fed pigeons have aged out? > 1623463076 698620 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are probably more pigeons in the city center (or at least used to be) > 1623463082 777561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but this is a suburb > 1623463153 558922 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perhaps. there are pigeons right on our roof, and so are there on the roof over my parent's home, but yes, probably more common in the city center > 1623463520 826747 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think that deliberately given food is probably not a huge fraction of their diet but that a lot of it is trash that will be more widely available in the city center > 1623463543 820485 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we also have seagulls (being by the sea and all) > 1623463546 257308 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and they love trash too > 1623463557 914111 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they like to hang out at the parking lot of a burger place i go to < 1623464277 364805 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-imbgahqjexjzgacx QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1623464410 127654 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-osycyzjqnmszuapn JOIN #esoteric user3456 :user3456 > 1623464809 471890 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sure < 1623466471 741837 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esoteric * :john < 1623470528 119333 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e832:95e8:fb15:4682 JOIN #esoteric * :anon < 1623470836 122997 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e832:95e8:fb15:4682 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1623472584 406340 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e832:95e8:fb15:4682 JOIN #esoteric spruit11 :anon < 1623472852 350585 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e832:95e8:fb15:4682 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1623475272 118420 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e832:95e8:fb15:4682 JOIN #esoteric * :anon < 1623477485 513694 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN #esoteric copumpkin :Gourdmeister < 1623478099 352939 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1623478307 211389 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm > 1623479342 550188 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⧸!⧹ ΤΗIЅ ⲤНΑⲚNEL ᎻAS MОVEᎠ ΤO IRC.ᏞIᗷΕRA.CᎻΑΤ #HΑМᎡΑᗪІО ᜵ⵑ⧵ > 1623479343 358958 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ᜵!＼ ΤHE ЈΕWᏚ HΑVΕ ΤAⲔЕN ⲞVEᎡ ᖴREЕΝODΕ‚ СዘATᏚ HAVЕ MOⅤED TΟ IRⅭ․LІBЕᎡΑ.CHАΤ /﹗＼ > 1623479421 52440 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don't get why those bots even spam in libera about switching to libera < 1623479485 441442 :zeroed!~zeroed@unaffiliated/zeroed JOIN #esoteric zeroed :... < 1623479983 398997 :zeroed!~zeroed@unaffiliated/zeroed QUIT :Quit: %done% > 1623482893 190470 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And, why are some of the letters mixed up on thise spam messages? > 1623483032 747260 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, I suppose so, but a spam filter could be made to look for such mixed up letters instead. (A long time ago I had seen spam messages with too many spaces at the end of the subject line, so I used that as a filter criteria; sometimes it is base64 encoded or whatever, so I used that asa filter criteria; etc) < 1623484515 717204 :LKoen!~LKoen@132.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esoteric LKoen :LKoen < 1623484678 216903 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1623485689 831558 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Re why spam about it here, I don't know how plausible it is, but it *could* be an attempt to get bridge bots get killed on the other side. > 1623487092 866452 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 09:30:21 i don't get why those bots even spam in libera about switching to libera > 1623487121 574119 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because the whole point was just to call people jews, koreans, etc., not switching the network for any profit > 1623487132 753752 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people will start realising it maybe in few years > 1623487143 229353 PRIVMSG #esoteric : some things are too hard to understand for majority > 1623487199 117803 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the only "reason" switching from freenode was these same spambots who were telling you to do it and you just followed their orders, lol > 1623487555 743247 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I imagine the TPUs can have miscalculations happen every second and no one will spot it behind the "NN magick" > 1623487617 684857 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the whole point of "computers being reliable" has devaluated thanks to NN hype marketing > 1623487690 565332 PRIVMSG #esoteric : today people with no math/engineering skills design, approve and even implement most of the software > 1623487759 194274 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i switched way before the spambots started > 1623487949 978632 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i suspect those bots to be somehow paid by freenode to fud on libera > 1623488032 87560 PRIVMSG #esoteric : spambots started before, they just looked different, were not automated > 1623488046 551459 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they were human beings > 1623488097 33927 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fair enough > 1623488142 407869 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people didn't need anything to be proven to switch from freenode though > 1623488198 892514 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was asking like two times what are the evidence that something bad is happening and all you had was a wikipedia link to some website where guy is called a prince and it's somehow bad or something > 1623488221 63335 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it was a hostile takeover, that's reason enough > 1623488242 530465 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, people say these two words "hostile takeover" with no sense put in it > 1623488251 434615 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it doesn't even matter if there were legal threats or not, it doesn't matter what the intentions from whoever are > 1623488293 910423 PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay, even if it was not a hostile takeover, i still follow the staff, not the name of the network > 1623488315 817427 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if the staff saw a reason to leave, so do i > 1623488357 871972 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so stuff are in fact your masters? maybe that's how the "takeover" looks like? they move you from one place to another as they wish > 1623488395 239209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is your reason to choose a network if not the people who operate it? > 1623488398 701132 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how isn't Andrew a good host? > 1623488447 414654 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the operators are what define the network, not the name of it > 1623488475 149177 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have no idea who operates networks and this neither has or have to have any nifluence on my choice > 1623488494 555045 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my socket connection and ability to talk and run bots works fine on any network > 1623488523 121620 PRIVMSG #esoteric : too bad for you, then > 1623488550 728493 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how is it bad to be independent and not a pawn being moved elsewhere because of someon else's personal dramas lol > 1623488557 478234 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm still on freenode > 1623488599 795950 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e I didn't have any burned food > 1623488609 677812 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm not a pawn being moved. i know staffers personally and i trust them. i have yet to find any positive fact about andrew > 1623488683 936487 PRIVMSG #esoteric : neither of you did have a burned food > 1623488690 542786 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that was just their personal drama > 1623488705 125413 PRIVMSG #esoteric : some internal job communication problems > 1623488795 812548 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what do you mean by "#haskell taking over"? something like with gentoo? the bug in a script with the following apologizing from Andrew's side and purposeful hiding this by gentoo's admins to manipulate their pawns who are happy to be like that? > 1623488932 987629 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it's less "taken over by a prince and that's bad" and more "taken over by a businessman running it as some sort of startup, apparently with several reports of harassment against them, opering up known abusers", at least from my POV > 1623488936 992970 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so either he straight up lies or has no clue on how to run a network in a robust way. great start so far. i also like how you always point out that others believe everything and at the same time are totally fine with him claiming it was an accident that should never ever happen outside of test servers or channels > 1623488946 196308 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or another picture I see here is like starting shitting on the walls. drawing words "ACAB" with a shit, until cops come to stop you and you say "see?! they are arresting me -- that's why I was right shitting on the walls and no one will check the chronology, pawns" > 1623488965 326580 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but either way, it doesn't really matter particularly, people are presumably free to choose where they want their communities *shrug* > 1623489048 193335 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "lies or has no clue on how to run a network in a robust way" -- what would you expect when half of staff have left? maybe it was even one of their sabotage scripts, saying "hey dude, run this" > 1623489058 760981 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sigh... > 1623489092 292887 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sure, i also always run unchecked code from people that just left me > 1623489132 444746 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if "half" of staff left, i expect him to either not run untested scripts or just test them locally > 1623489144 427988 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe that sctipr author left on the next day > 1623489163 691055 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i cannot trust him maintaining a reliable network either way > 1623489172 754177 PRIVMSG #esoteric : all you know is that it was ran and there were apologizings but you don't mentions the latter because that's not the goal of drama > 1623489231 265205 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, the apology doesn't matter. if he doesn't know what it does, he should never have run it in the first place. if he did know it, the apology is useless > 1623489232 807626 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think the problem is the script or apologise per se, moreso than the sudden changes in what has previously been perfectly fine for at least two decades on freenode.. > 1623489259 68367 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the whole thing like "can't mention another network in topics because that's advertisement" is... pretty foreign > 1623489262 778963 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (for instance) > 1623489273 329781 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep, people self inflicted the network damage > 1623489302 473859 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what, don't you love censorship in your free network? > 1623489316 117511 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "he should never have run it in the first place" -- he was the one who tried to fix things unlike others > 1623489330 688626 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what things? what was wrong? > 1623489387 473628 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how spamming the libera network name in topic better than spamming hamradio channel name? > 1623489442 995747 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think "this community has moved to X" is uh, not exactly spamming > 1623489455 238379 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so you call stopping you from shitting the walls a censorship? > 1623489466 872453 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just, like, a friendly PSA to the community in question, if they've decided to move.. be it to libera, or discord, or matrix or whatever > 1623489490 459079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay, at first you didn't know what bots were and now you don't know what spamming is. if channel owners want to include something in their topic, it's their choice. unless it violates law, a network must not forbid me to put whatever i want in there > 1623489541 43942 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if i spray something on the inside of my wall and get arrested for it, i indeed do call it censorship > 1623489574 411958 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i can do whatever i want in my house > 1623489583 371026 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the network mentions in topic was not a choice -- it was a result of a spam and person-based hate flame effect on channels owners > 1623489587 687645 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they were bad ops > 1623489626 890826 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, all ops of the hundreds of channels were bad because they decided to inform their respective community about a change > 1623489629 471911 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i see > 1623489656 360747 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it wasn't only on your inside walls, the whole apartment was smelling with this > 1623489667 887663 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how so? > 1623489669 7689 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people were smelling shit in all the channels > 1623489680 789305 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instead of being on topic > 1623489688 331202 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, because each house owner decided to paint something on their walls > 1623489691 623426 PRIVMSG #esoteric : still fine > 1623489716 7703 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that is nothing that should ever be changed by a network owner > 1623489813 216892 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's exactly what landlords should do -- stop the hype of shitting the walls no matter if they are inside or outside because the whole building started smelling > 1623489833 29230 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can probably argue whether or not the choice to switch networks was reasonable. but _if_ i decide to move a community as an op, i should be allowed to put that information in a topic. > 1623489856 374768 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: i highly doubt landlords can do anything to you if you spray the inside of your house > 1623489858 987338 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw, it's not even the correct analogy -- channels are not personal flats but a common areas like cafes or cinemas > 1623489865 990967 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at least where i live, they cannot do shit about it > 1623489894 825120 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a fundamental right that i can do whatever i want in my house > 1623489903 608104 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it was a shopping center and cafe owners started serving shit < 1623489941 434258 :LKoen!~LKoen@132.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can't farm drugs in your house < 1623489943 451397 :LKoen!~LKoen@132.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kill someone > 1623489944 393928 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if other people don't get affected by it, sure thing > 1623489966 272169 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, i did mention earlier that you cannot break the law > 1623490004 717685 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the whole "stinking" argument is nonsens. if i spray my wall, you will not be able to smell that on the outside after like a few days max > 1623490009 905118 PRIVMSG #esoteric : everyone was affected; people hated this shit so much that agreed to switch just in hope that they'll stop smell what cafe owners did > 1623490064 219231 PRIVMSG #esoteric : channel topics are the outer side of your door anyway even if ti's a personal flat > 1623490073 610652 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people are passing by every day > 1623490093 329073 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and there are rules on what you can do with your door for sure -- you can't shit it > 1623490100 772299 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how are channel topics the outer side? > 1623490185 329415 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they are in /list and /chanserv info and on the websites that track the channel topics > 1623490196 911878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FolderCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84361&oldid=84322 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-41) 10 > 1623490213 251197 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also it's the same as your balcony and there are rules too about what you can place on your balcony > 1623490219 940280 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you know why that is? so people can see relevant information. like changes in the community and stuff > 1623490239 643975 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah nazism was revelant change in 30s > 1623490255 685078 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sure, you can go that route, but that is a reason against freenode. i want to be in a network where i can put whatever legal stuff i want to in topics > 1623490261 87624 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so Italy could learn it too > 1623490263 244816 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then Argentina > 1623490300 140179 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that comparison is bullshit > 1623490313 902705 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in most places, it's highly illegal to do that > 1623490325 722147 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ahah, you won't be able to put the other network name all over the place if that would be caused by that some guy from these team is a prince of some Evil Axis country or something > 1623490331 838997 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is however not illegal to name a website that is totally legal > 1623490365 19645 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sure i will > 1623490380 858593 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e there should be some law ahout probability that mentioning the logic, ANd and OR would be too > 1623490398 394482 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's called a learning on mistakes > 1623490437 968594 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the thing is that you again ignore the chronology > 1623490461 527657 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, you are comparing a legit network by trusted people with some grey area, which is still bullshit > 1623490475 183520 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the freenode drama started with Andrew's nationality in the first place > 1623490490 168891 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what? i don't even know andrew's nationality > 1623490493 699734 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and i don't care > 1623490498 747273 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ahaha, sure > 1623490530 595955 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how should i know? it was never mentioned by any of the staffers letters afair > 1623490550 77989 PRIVMSG #esoteric : his surname is such a secret > 1623490560 395791 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this pretending is too blatant > 1623490587 540495 PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay, now i pretend because i say i don't care about the nationality of somebody? > 1623490617 985981 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe i read his surname, not sure, i never bothered to remember. i wouldn't even know his first name if you didn't mention it > 1623490683 430232 PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay, so he is called lee. so what? > 1623493391 463498 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Column14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84362 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+2637) 10Created page with "Column is an esoretic programming language developed by Dominicentek. It's code is executed column by column in a text file, rather than line by line like in a typical program..." > 1623494011 616292 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84363&oldid=84210 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+13) 10 > 1623494074 479342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84364&oldid=84343 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+13) 10/* C */ > 1623499230 784579 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03.yazic 5* 10New user account > 1623502610 224262 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84365&oldid=84364 5* 03ResU 5* (+56) 10added NOTE and Truth Machine > 1623504044 935938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Column14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84366&oldid=84362 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Interpreter */ Category > 1623505536 315732 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " worse noting, I really make th wortht typos" => you managed to type "thwart" correctly > 1623506109 440049 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok, let's do it right this time, rather than just return from a family break to see the drama played out > 1623506191 11399 PRIVMSG #esoteric : dear esolangs community, if this channel or the network collapses somehow, even twelve years from now, we will meet on the wiki and on the oftc IRC server channel #esolangs , using whichever works as a lifeboat to decide where to go. > 1623509952 984389 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84367&oldid=84359 5* 03ResU 5* (+121) 10added self-interpreter < 1623510587 161684 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esoteric * :john < 1623510701 667301 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1623510749 305174 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esoteric * :john < 1623510812 700831 :LKoen!~LKoen@132.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1623510972 966003 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1623510987 839757 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esoteric * :john > 1623511660 232956 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That one scene from "Shawshank Redemption" where he's trying to remember how to spell "Zihuatanejo" so he can meet up with his friend~ > 1623511732 774853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Plasmath 5* 10New user account > 1623512143 251708 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://i.imgur.com/8PFnh0P.png -- how do I decide that the 1st of 3 peaks is what I need? > 1623512159 409695 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the middle peak can be absent > 1623512213 930865 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the question of image binarizing < 1623512292 93811 :LKoen!~LKoen@132.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esoteric LKoen :LKoen > 1623512497 747952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh? > 1623512515 757764 PRIVMSG #esoteric : question > 1623512530 3623 PRIVMSG #esoteric : have you thought of using a neural network to detect the (rotated) letters? < 1623512544 754122 :LKoen!~LKoen@132.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1623512584 137755 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, I'm doing better than NN can do > 1623512676 741932 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my captcha solver will have no NN cancer > 1623512682 996389 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is NN bad? > 1623512738 735845 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, it's useless > 1623512759 961805 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol > 1623512902 992324 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why do you say these things? > 1623512916 551911 PRIVMSG #esoteric : experience > 1623512940 689853 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how are letters recognized without? > 1623512941 505389 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, the most advanced technology we have to date do deal with image recognition is totally useless for image recognition > 1623512962 326227 PRIVMSG #esoteric : years of observations, math knowledge and marketing understanding > 1623512974 375805 PRIVMSG #esoteric : undistorted letters should be pretty easy, though > 1623513014 540024 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "how are letters recognized without?" -- with machine learning > 1623513033 584859 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what > 1623513045 572636 PRIVMSG #esoteric : do you have a link that explains how to do this machine learning? > 1623513047 262518 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "NN is useless, just use machine learning"=== > 1623513052 811292 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like, what? > 1623513067 936500 PRIVMSG #esoteric : machine learning is in most instances done through NN > 1623513069 470676 PRIVMSG #esoteric : myname: Careful not to imagine that society is cumulative and always makes forward progress. Sometimes useless technologies are invented. > 1623513069 837013 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river what do you mean by "this machine learning"? > 1623513073 863692 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'v always been curious about making a program that can read text from an image, but never managed it > 1623513085 369508 PRIVMSG #esoteric : myname https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning > 1623513086 770578 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Corbin: i do know that > 1623513138 427300 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: i am well aware. how does that disproof my statement? > 1623513160 970167 PRIVMSG #esoteric : your statement isn't proved in the first place > 1623513185 655718 PRIVMSG #esoteric : myname: Neural nets are generally machine-learning, yes, but not all machine-learning is done through neural nets. > 1623513200 722731 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Corbin: i never stated that > 1623513215 921627 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I implemented some example code from https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.01446 the other day, and the learning is done through black-box optimization, not using any gradients or neurons. > 1623513216 639756 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's just convinient to use for most cases > 1623513219 138622 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon, how to read text from an image > 1623513242 277102 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river I already have 10 lines long prototype that recognizes text better than a tool made by 50 people using several multimillion costing NN technologies > 1623513245 406769 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe it's convenient with a toolkit, but NNs to me are expensive, slow, and temperamental. > 1623513267 227458 PRIVMSG #esoteric : im not the one arguing with you > 1623513270 496093 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the prototype isn't even aware of language dictionaries > 1623513271 916010 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the chat is very busy > 1623513274 331110 PRIVMSG #esoteric : NN is so big that you are probably easier off just using whatever NN framework you have available in your language of choice than writing a machine learning algorithm from scratch > 1623513276 953829 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so once I add them it will do even better > 1623513280 292440 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hopefully you are not mixing my messags up with anyone elses > 1623513311 459452 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river I understand, it's hard to talk meaningful when every 2nd line is a purposeful flame even if not yours > 1623513321 765228 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes it is quite frustrating > 1623513482 704135 PRIVMSG #esoteric : having a prototype that recognizes text better than a tool made by 50 people is a bold claim. unless the other tool isn't specifically designed to recognize text, i highly doubt you can give a reasonable metric for that > 1623513703 137671 PRIVMSG #esoteric : their tool was made specifically for text recognition, my tool is just a wrapped on another thing of mine that isn't even about text > 1623513717 210564 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it was just a library usage example > 1623513758 741269 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION afk to a store > 1623513774 56637 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *wrapper > 1623513814 766817 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in that case, better publish a paper or even better sell that product > 1623513881 257838 PRIVMSG #esoteric : myname: Aha! Okay, this is an understandable perspective. I'm usually working in a language I built, so I have to pay the cost of every abstraction. NNs would take a lot of work. > 1623513953 48530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's fine. but if you just want to recognize something and are using python (and aren't doing it for research purposes), there is not much benefit writing a specialized solution over taking one of the larger existing frameworks > 1623514251 574864 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I make this captcha solver for just a personal usage script and maybe will reuse somewhere else in future > 1623514290 460596 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I checked how much it costs to solve your captcha with a service where a thousand of people are sitting and and solving them > 1623514330 773371 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's ~$1.5 per 1000 captchas but they are doing it in 30 seconds in average while my one is gonna work within 5 sec > 1623514394 494132 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "yeah, i have this technology written in like 10 lines of codes that could generate me easy passive income, but i will only use it for personal usage, because who needs free money anyways" < 1623515801 480204 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1623515817 158704 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esoteric * :john < 1623516073 14489 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1623516080 719574 :LKoen!~LKoen@132.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esoteric LKoen :LKoen < 1623516116 814001 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esoteric * :john > 1623516560 336256 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not totally useless, alas, but it's overmarketed and somewhat overused > 1623516723 385411 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a lot of products have some kind of useless modern machine learning part that is technically in it but not really needed or used, just so they can market it as a product that uses machine learning, because that's fashionable. (blockchain is similar, but even worse; in most products advertised with it it's absolutely useless, as opposed to just mostly useless) > 1623516757 762027 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it used to be JIT and multithreaded, then GPU programming, but the marketing fashions are changing > 1623516878 957775 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: did you know about that first idea about an electronic vaccination passport in germany? > 1623516885 433729 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's hilarious > 1623517021 662541 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *sigh* no, I haven't been following that political nonsense and I'm not too interested in it > 1623517235 421061 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess I'll just take the peak within the section that ends when it's the first fall to 20% of the peak > 1623517245 989128 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or 30%, whatever < 1623517739 310206 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esoteric * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1623517754 489684 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Client Quit > 1623519513 851600 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is it possible to define a escape sequence that cancels any further responses from the terminal emulator for previously accepted escape sequences (but does not cancel further ones)? > 1623519688 455281 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but where does Zach propose to get all the energy for the electrolysis? (re "https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/titan") < 1623519702 16493 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf > 1623519722 465213 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well it's a nuclear sub, so presumably nuclear power > 1623519735 214103 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wasteful? yes. possible? also yes > 1623519899 380012 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: wouldn't work too well, because there's a race condition: you wouldn't know when the terminal actually reacted to the escape sequence, and in fact the terminal will likely respond to its input in sequence, so it will react to previous escape sequences before it even reads your recent one. what you can do is to send some escape sequence to which the terminal does react by a response that you can > 1623519905 887473 PRIVMSG #esoteric : recognize (you can make that from cursor reads unless the terminal is like 1x1 character in size), then read from the terminal and skip everything until you see that reply > 1623520024 60494 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: there's also an ioctl or some such system call api to flush the input queue of the terminal, but that only really works for a local linux console on /dev/ttyN , for anything else there's a race condition because the terminal logic that gives you responses is in an asyncroniously running process or even on another host > 1623520082 271850 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I know that it won't work for remote terminals; it is for local terminals that I ask about > 1623520091 72753 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for the local terminal, this is useful and getty or its equivalents do us it, so that the new login doesn't get input left there by a previous login, possibly from a malicious user. for a remote terminal like ssh, you usually start a new terminal connection instead; for serial it's a bit more complicated > 1623520096 525139 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (specifically, local pseudoterminals) > 1623520120 285521 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: for local pseudoterminals, the terminal emulator process is still asynchroniously scheduled > 1623520152 732812 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the latency is probably less than if you're talking through an internet connection on ssh, but qualitatively it's the same > 1623520230 56228 PRIVMSG #esoteric : on /dev/tty this can only work because the kernel can and does actually access the read queue of the terminal and flush it and does this in a way that synchronizes with its other terminal processing > 1623520271 37813 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can still flush a pty's queue the same way, but it doesn't really solve the race condition, you still need to wait for the terminal's response to some command you send after that and skip previous responses > 1623520288 461870 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For example, if you put such a escape sequence in the shell prompt string then any responses to other escape requests (e.g. cursor position, window title, etc) will not be seen by the shell. This can also include keyboard mode; if previous escape sequences set some mode, any keys will be transmitted using the default keyboard mode instead of the new one. > 1623520296 181448 PRIVMSG #esoteric : unless you can just start a new virtual terminal, which you can actually often do and may be easier (but slower) than resetting an existing one > 1623520320 440834 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (It could reset other modes too) > 1623520403 28937 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: that's two different problems. there is a sequence "\ec" that resets almost every setting (in some cases it keeps the palette, window size, fonts, window title and icon title, etc), but you still have to skip the input > 1623520430 739679 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for which I recommend sending a sequence of absolute cursor moves and cursor position reads and wait for the matching response, but perhaps there's a better way > 1623520469 850040 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you may need something more complicated than just "\ec", I'm not sure, but "\ec" is what does most of the work > 1623520524 91697 PRIVMSG #esoteric : heck, it even resets the weird "\e12m" mode on linux console that, for some reason, systemd's built-in getty doesn't fix on this debian system. > 1623520551 333511 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why doesn't systemd properly reset the terminal? I have no effing clue > 1623520681 862373 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GreenThePear 5* 10New user account > 1623520686 854516 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There are many problems with systemd that I read about, and many people don't like it, you can use something else instead > 1623520803 109639 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: on this computer there are bigger problems with the local console logins than that: the VESA bios is broken and sometimes doesn't properly set the video mode when switching from X11 to the mode that linux graphics mode console uses > 1623520810 520533 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so I don't particularly care about that bug for now > 1623520848 279156 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't know how they messed that up, the bios and the built-in video card are on the same motherboard sold together > 1623520874 488835 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's not a separate extension video card (yet) > 1623521105 564354 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ResU14]]4 10 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5* (-26) 10 > 1623530259 690428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84382&oldid=84369 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (+44) 10 > 1623530863 112207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07What's the dog doin?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84383&oldid=84381 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+46) 10Decided to use 's for the raw value instead > 1623530914 804290 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84384&oldid=84365 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+27) 10/* W */ > 1623530935 365008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84385&oldid=84384 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+0) 10/* W */ > 1623530993 548050 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07What's the dog doin?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84386&oldid=84383 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+0) 10 > 1623531156 7936 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07What's the dog doin?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84387&oldid=84386 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+3) 10/* Expressions */ > 1623531173 873133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84388&oldid=84382 5* 03Plasmath 5* (+240) 10Added my signature. > 1623531187 416103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07What's the dog doin?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84389&oldid=84387 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+7) 10/* Expressions */ > 1623531279 925813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Plasmath 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Godencode Memory Samples.png10]]" > 1623531503 535783 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:TinyGuy3214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84391 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (+829) 10Created page with "==NumberPankackes== ==Commands== 1X: pushes X to the stack (you must have a colon at the end of the command) 2 coppys the top of the stack and pushes it..." > 1623531636 304428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:TinyGuy3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84392&oldid=84391 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (-829) 10Blanked the page > 1623531833 355526 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Plasmath14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84393 5* 03Plasmath 5* (+128) 10Created page with "Hello! I've made some languages, here they are: (I haven't made pages for any of my languages yet, I'll put them here when I do)" > 1623532646 160428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:TinyGuy3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84394&oldid=84392 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (+829) 10 > 1623538869 345586 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Godencode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84395 5* 03Plasmath 5* (+26343) 10Created the page. > 1623539162 26627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Godencode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84396 5* 03Plasmath 5* (+1282) 10please help finish interpreter > 1623539183 40815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Godencode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84397&oldid=84396 5* 03Plasmath 5* (-46) 10 > 1623539737 624934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Primes14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84398&oldid=84355 5* 03Meloons 5* (+0) 10lowercase < 1623541025 388313 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1623541041 679314 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esoteric * :john < 1623541297 6624 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1623541312 163016 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-128-62.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esoteric * :john < 1623541503 290875 :LKoen!~LKoen@132.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1623541711 129551 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e832:95e8:fb15:4682 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1623542254 70953 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NOTE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84399&oldid=84380 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ Modify wording