< 1621814927 702480 :simcop2387!~simcop238@71.76.76.1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: done < 1621815509 990667 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :`coins < 1621815512 163248 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​06decientcoin 13kolmograntcoin 04tmmcoin 07duodcoin 08locatcoin 09kuffcoin 02brisccoin 06yoteritaftgnomagarabcoin 13regexicoin 04shoussencoin 07mertatecoin 08sincoin 09digicoin 02geoboaftcoin 06vivatiocoin 13kipsiancoin 04ooocoin 07amertcoin 08selfcoin 09tatcoin < 1621815528 271425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :can I has an obsoletecoin < 1621815551 983340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh "selfcoin" is good, somehow < 1621815573 501945 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh? < 1621815575 774325 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :`coins < 1621815577 731214 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​07kildcoin 08atttecoin 09aricoin 02ollecoin 06chalcoin 13procoin 04puzzliccoin 07dogcoin 08aubeoncoin 09enfingperloadskydozhleyearelycoin 02stacoin 06alagucoin 13rubesyzcoin 04moncoin 07circutecoin 08udagerocoin 09inlamicrecoin 02scocoin 06tincoin 13sarcoin < 1621815608 765797 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I'll pay in enfingperloadskydozhleyearelycoin, is that okay? < 1621815784 126970 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :chibi: is that the cryptocurrency equivalent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones < 1621815803 856722 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` cat $(which coins) < 1621815804 874207 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords < 1621815814 610392 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1621815817 95719 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` which words < 1621815818 18198 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/words < 1621815823 756490 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` cat $(which words) < 1621815824 792830 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ use strict; use warnings; \ use v5.10; \ use open qw( :encoding(UTF-8) :std); \ use File::Basename 'dirname'; \ use Storable 'retrieve'; \ use List::Util qw(sum min); \ use Getopt::Long qw(:config gnu_getopt); \ BEGIN { \ eval { \ require Math::Random::MT::Perl; Math::Random::MT::Perl->import('rand'); \ }; \ #warn "Optional module Math::Random::MT::Perl not found.\n" if $@; \ } \ \ #constants \ my @options = qw(eng-1M > 1621815890 519240 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Whopper14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83235&oldid=83234 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (-166) 10/* hello world */ > 1621815922 601139 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hyperdawg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83236&oldid=82458 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+14) 10 < 1621816022 370778 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't remember it was a mixture of both English and esolang names, I thought it was just the latter. Plus the -coin suffix. > 1621816234 238416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Truttle114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83237&oldid=81589 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+79) 10/* can you make a video on my language? */ new section < 1621816423 808214 :jinn_!~jinn@d.jinn.army QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1621816431 193177 :jinn!~jinn@d.jinn.army JOIN :#esolangs < 1621816931 396741 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: thanks < 1621816996 899208 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Raid stones => or those million dollar bills used for some questionable banking reasons in the UK < 1621817089 82518 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the ones that are supposedly legally valid cash and you can pay with them anywhere, but if you try everyone will know you've stolen it (or worse, counterfeited) and they'll call the police and delay the payment on that account < 1621817108 539965 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not really weirder than some of the other UK traditions really < 1621817262 386539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, this spam "newsletter" that I get every week, why did I just get three copies of it? < 1621818267 273409 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: can I have a copy of hackbot's fetch from your instance? It's being super weird and I cannot get it working for whatever reason. < 1621818298 432101 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :specifically, multibot/multibot_cmds/lib/fetch < 1621818371 942816 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's exactly the same file as https://github.com/fis/hackbot/blob/master/multibot_cmds/lib/fetch < 1621818392 131877 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION is annoyed
< 1621818395 145887 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah well < 1621818430 667889 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll keep debugging then, was worth a shot seeing if you modified it < 1621818496 973949 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The only changes I have in the running instance from the commit in github are: in multibot_cmds/PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd, the `ignored_nick` list is changed (I should probably add more bots to it), and the lock file is changed from "lock" to os.environ['HACKENV']+".lock"); and in multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox, the /usr/bin/umlbox path is changed and `'--env', 'LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8',` is added to the list of flags. < 1621818551 173686 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yea I prodded it a bit more than that, so i'll need to remember what I changed < 1621818576 517573 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've got a commit in the checkout in a branch called `live`, which I rebase when I make changes to the public code. < 1621818608 956834 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it common to put esolangs in video games? < 1621818615 821167 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(So seeing what I changed is `git diff -r master -r live`.) < 1621818665 356978 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Existing languages developed for some other purposes, or languages made for that specific purpose that would still count as esolangs? < 1621818685 706442 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :both < 1621818728 360649 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. using brainfuck as a shader language for in-game computers (that use a real language on the game server) < 1621818744 44401 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :`rakudo --help < 1621818744 838925 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :rakudo? No such file or directory < 1621818756 809081 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, alternatively, command blocks... < 1621818757 60046 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :meh, not surprised i couldn't get Rakudo to work inside UML < 1621818760 309248 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems to dislike it aha < 1621818800 65912 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think that's very common. In fact, I don't think I've heard of any examples. < 1621818825 788528 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea I was quite surprised, it works fine outside UML but inside it gets upset and crashes instantly < 1621818854 60144 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That was about esolangs in video games, to be clear, not about Rakudo. < 1621818861 581241 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1621818867 832660 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :surprised https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Command_Block isn't anywhere on the wiki < 1621818871 85850 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1621818890 644593 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nViIUfDMJg < 1621818916 844475 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: I think there's been some discussion about whether those kind of things should count, with no clear conclusion. < 1621818957 356906 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1621818962 798113 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are the arguments against? < 1621818963 539961 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think someone was talking about writing an article about the TIS-100/Shenzhen/EXAPUNKS assembly languages. < 1621818994 958881 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :my gut tells me those don't really count but I can't really say why < 1621818997 223228 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh, we don't know about TIS-100/Shenzhen/EXAPUNKS, but command blocks are exciting to us < 1621819062 459504 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, just saying, that's when the topic of languages designed to be part of gameplay came up. Though the Minecraft context might be even closer. < 1621819221 980727 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In any case, I don't personally have anything against having articles about them, and I don't remember any particularly convincing arguments. < 1621819221 980865 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`prefixes < 1621819221 980900 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^prefixes < 1621819221 980920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot prefixes < 1621819221 980941 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a https://esolangs.org/wiki/Spacechem_Programming_Language page but that's very stubby. < 1621819222 62121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: it is common to have certain games, especially sandbox simulation games, happen to grow languages that turn out to be more powerful than the creator of the game intended, in the TeXbook appendix D sense, < 1621819222 64929 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . < 1621819222 819753 :perlbot!~perlbot@71.76.76.1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [purebasic] [prezses] [_purpose_0] [_purpose_1] [_purpose_2] [_purpose_3] [_purpose_4] [_purpose_5] [_purpose_6] [_purpose_7] < 1621819224 389929 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. < 1621819244 37976 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or sometimes there's an existing game that works well and the developer sees how easy it would be to add a language on top of them to add some programming capabilities < 1621819266 520492 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: you mean TeX AVR? < 1621819319 899347 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the latter applies to shapez.io and Factorio, the games I've recently been playing, which deliberately have some programming as part of gameplay capabilities added into them, but as those programming capabilities are weird, they automatically become an esolang where people try to solve tasks that the languages don't make easy and come up with intersting constructions like you have to in an esolang < 1621819385 400682 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm. yeah so, are they or are they not esolangs? > 1621819399 147914 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Yit 5* 10New user account < 1621819438 365704 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the former applies to OpenTTD (and its ancestor TTDPatch), which originally just added pre-signals to make it possible to make better train networks, where making train networks is the orignal goal of the game, but then it turns out that trains plus presignals creates an interesting esolang with surprising constructions possible < 1621819470 848871 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: dunno, I don't particularly care about the definition question here < 1621819500 511903 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay < 1621819582 393763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah, minecraft. I'm not too experienced in that, but I believe that has some of those programming as gameplay capabilities too < 1621819602 840289 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might be the most famous example < 1621819605 652694 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :OpenTTD seems like the kinda game that's boring to play normally but really interesting to optimize < 1621819620 603346 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if (Open)RCT2 has anything similar. < 1621819628 665091 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1621819648 753206 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :chibi: yeah, there's an entire OpenTTDcoop community for that, with inscrutable internal customs and lots of scarcely documented game knowledge < 1621819664 469241 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :is raw iCE40 bitstreams an esolang? < 1621819694 731594 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they know more about OpenTTD programming than anyone else, but it's hard to learn from them < 1621819705 435008 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :luckily they have IRC presence on oftc, which helps to some extent < 1621819718 192893 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well, if you're the IRC kind of person, which I assume here) < 1621819752 480350 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :(saying redstone is an esolang is like saying FPGA bitstreams are an esolang tbh :p) < 1621819767 679454 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course there's some Super Mario Maker programming too, definitely esoteric but much more limited in general purpose computation capabilities than the previous examples < 1621819770 501971 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Interesting, interesting. Ooh, DF comes to mind too < 1621819786 611125 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :DF is probably turing complete in more ways than we've even found aha < 1621819805 467219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not familiar with Dwarf Fortress programming, but I think there were some Dwarf Fortress players on this channel, there definitely are somewhere on ... um, freenode? < 1621819817 145873 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm right here < 1621819821 841463 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs ::P < 1621819837 313326 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah good < 1621819855 857771 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :the most common way is mechanisms + minecarts computation < 1621819865 257683 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :feel free to ask me about shapez.io and factorio by the way. I don't know everything, obviously, but still < 1621819868 11390 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is just a derivative of billard ball computation, with extra logical tools to make it compact < 1621819885 939110 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :minecarts in their current form in fact behave like billard balls :P < 1621819910 739164 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :usage of fluids is good for things like memory cells when you need compactness < 1621819921 805570 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm are powerpoint and CSS esolangs? < 1621819924 499846 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :fluids are also probably TC, but i've not seen a proof > 1621819973 593020 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83238&oldid=83226 5* 03Yit 5* (+83) 10adding myself < 1621819988 906212 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :well hm https://esolangs.org/wiki/(P%E2%84%A2TM%E2%84%A2)%E2%84%A2 > 1621820365 619496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shuffle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83239&oldid=50266 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+37) 10Update dead link < 1621820649 720089 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: pwoerpoint is definitely one of those accidental thingies < 1621820692 174725 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"fluids are also probably TC, but i've not seen a proof" => do you have exponential quantity of fluids with as large storage tanks? if so, just implement Waterfall < 1621820726 940022 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you only need like single exponential if you do it right, but I'm not completely sure < 1621823364 387274 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1621824372 262533 :salpynx!794954f8@107.161.19.109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Something I discovered a few days ago: John Conway built a fluid machine https://nautil.us/blog/this-early-computer-was-based-on-a-urinal-flush-mechanism < 1621824403 587665 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot, prefixes are fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. < 1621824403 915298 :perlbot!~perlbot@71.76.76.1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Stored prefixes are fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. < 1621824403 954431 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: mr president, madam commissioner, i do not feel it would also be an option. that is the reason why some members are left feeling slightly perplexed that they envisage an institution which is also true of the community which was only accepted when austria joined the european union < 1621824412 395190 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot prefixes < 1621824412 608352 :perlbot!~perlbot@71.76.76.1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. < 1621824605 496822 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if we should try to break this category of bot loops by making it so that when a bot like j-bot or perlbot or lambdabot prefixes the nick of the requestor to a reply, it uses a delimiter after that nick that's never accepted as a delimiter for invoking a bot, so that you can't confuse invoking a bot from a bot replying you < 1621824636 998504 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't think of that when designing j-bot's terrible interface, but now I wonder < 1621824642 886827 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what delimiter would be useful for that? < 1621824670 712183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the usual invisibl ^O? < 1621824681 662485 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :+e < 1621824769 799689 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambdabot prefixes most replies with a space in an attempt to prevent this kind of thing... but perlbot is too generous in how it is addresed < 1621824779 534171 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :j-bot accepts too many delimiters in that context < 1621824784 262108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: hmm < 1621824804 153581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/prevent/mitigate/ is more appropriate, I guess < 1621824837 208443 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are some exceptions, most notably @where, which this channel has abused plenty < 1621824876 330136 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I'm more worried about the kind of botloop where two bots reply each other with a nick prefix, like xbot says "ybot: foo" then ybot says "xbot: foo" (both on channel). the hard part is starting such a loop, which usually requires a race condition, but sometimes there are other sneaky ways, and I'd rather if the bots were designed such that such a loop can't be sustained, not just can't be started. < 1621824888 573050 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the control-O may be a good idea < 1621824894 172524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs : lambdabot: @run 1 < 1621824906 827751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :see, lambdabot wouldn't accept that with a leading space < 1621824916 318842 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nor does j-bot < 1621824917 756563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambdabot: @run 1 < 1621824918 773406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs : perlbot echo hi < 1621824918 988357 :perlbot!~perlbot@71.76.76.1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: hi < 1621824919 195790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 1 < 1621824921 669917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but perlbot does < 1621824935 931483 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that's not foolproof < 1621824935 970406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, hence the potential botloop with lambdabot earlier < 1621824949 620673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, nothing will be foolproof < 1621824958 269019 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure < 1621824985 176419 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess one could do the fungot thing, stop replying after 5 messages from the same nick. < 1621824985 525498 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: mr president, i am happy to take our entrepreneurs, investors and companies there. it will no longer exist. as this is contrary to the texts themselves. now, europe’s contribution to the work of these authorities and to establish it as a substantial step forward, but rome was not built in a day. should not we in the group quite rightly, that the complexity of the groups. < 1621824999 147003 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that would be really awful for lambdabot's ordinary use :) < 1621825009 687954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambdabot @run 2 < 1621825015 150887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambdabot: @run 3 < 1621825016 589628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 3 < 1621825025 223316 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambdabot: @run 4 < 1621825036 25360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot echo 5 < 1621825046 366475 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :j-bot: 6 < 1621825056 972821 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, a control-O after the nick seems to work decently < 1621825077 169307 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot echo 5 < 1621825081 871234 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or before? > 1621825082 272854 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I think that, if a loop is detected, then perhaps NOTICE should be used for the reponse, and it should never respond to a NOTICE; if a loop continues to be detected after that, then it should ignore further messages for some amount of time, until it resets. < 1621825096 192586 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :prefixing with ^O is way easier... > 1621825145 124938 PRIVMSG #esolangs : That may work, but maybe it should be right at the beginning, rather than after the nick, I think < 1621825150 991443 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also have to be careful about bot loops in private message. I recall three such cases: < 1621825180 454799 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one with buubot1 which just lets anyone ask it to send a reply in private message to anyone else, which is just plain silly; < 1621825217 604994 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one with j-bot which is much more relaxed (though not strictly) about invocation syntax in private message than in public, and one with bfbot which had a bug about not escaping newlines or something like that < 1621825236 939192 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I have to be careful about private message syntax too > 1621825251 928697 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Even so, if there are still loops despite ^O then something will have to be done, even though that will probably mitigate it in most cases, but not necessarily all. < 1621825260 947014 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps I should add the same nick and delimiter prefix in the reply even when I reply to a private message < 1621825297 863092 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: sometimes sending a notice during heuristically detected potential loops is not a bad idea < 1621825309 501387 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll think about it < 1621825346 716611 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, the reason why we usually don't use notice is because it annoys some people because of their broken clients, but a bot loop is probably even more annoying < 1621825453 784788 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll remove lambdabot from the channel before I change it to use notice > 1621825498 716414 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Yes, that is why you might do only if a loop is detected < 1621825507 269362 :cyclosa!~cyclosa@2603-6011-4a41-8ada-3d44-ff2a-130a-5b15.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs > 1621826764 979367 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* 10New user account > 1621826897 483199 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83240&oldid=83238 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* (+162) 10 > 1621827582 649932 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Feta14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83241&oldid=79598 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* (+265) 10 < 1621830181 442718 :salpynx!794954f8@107.161.19.109 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1621830504 516085 :salpynx!794954f8@107.161.19.109 JOIN :#esolangs < 1621833260 11253 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esolangs < 1621833521 866527 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :morning < 1621833538 906453 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :starts with esoteric < 1621833632 195953 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I made project euler 1 one-liner and wanted to show but realised the irc command can't pass stdin < 1621833870 188003 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN :#esolangs > 1621835852 133025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83242&oldid=63185 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+131) 10 < 1621836367 643763 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good morning! < 1621836853 377191 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good Maneb! < 1621836891 516889 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have any neato fancy algorithms for me today? < 1621836897 311221 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You don't have to have invented them (though I don't see how you could possibly have avoided it) < 1621837336 776561 :ic!iczero@hellomouse/dev/iczero JOIN :#esolangs < 1621837518 708218 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do not :( I've been rather algorithm-ignorant as of late < 1621837855 835551 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Kruskal;s algorithm is neat, though < 1621838037 742988 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, minimum spanning trees. < 1621838066 291526 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's the thing where almost every algorithm you can think of solves it optimally, right? < 1621838076 188208 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do like union-find. < 1621838180 223553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, Prim's and Kruskal's algorithm are both very greedy and get an optimal solution < 1621838620 562565 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am also very greedy, but I don't get an optimal solution. :-( < 1621838654 91518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Perhaps you should try to find a minimal spanning tree < 1621838679 810598 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I'd rather find a cat. < 1621838696 103395 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, my neighbor has a cat now, and I interacted with that cat the other day. So perhaps my solution is close to optimal. < 1621838885 757846 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is this channel publicly logged right now? < 1621838906 354991 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I guess it is. Oh well. < 1621838962 524502 :salpynx!794954f8@107.161.19.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1621839343 198375 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :did you neighbor just told you you can forget about the cat? < 1621839441 746092 :ic!iczero@hellomouse/dev/iczero PART #esolangs :Leaving < 1621840080 44373 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah, the gist.githubusercontent.com is cached ( < 1621840154 719386 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it didn't update the /raw/ file until either ~2 minutes passed or I refreshed it in a browser with trailing '?' < 1621840950 777754 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1621841441 479578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621844026 183831 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621844049 42990 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621844175 633349 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\help < 1621844175 750174 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :available commands: rasel; usage help: \help < 1621844187 65438 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\help rasel < 1621844187 189515 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel ; \rasel -stdin ; timelimit=60s; https://esolangs.org/wiki/RASEL < 1621844208 615732 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel "!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Gj < 1621844209 725600 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, output: "Hello, World!", exit code: 0 < 1621844224 532123 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel -stdin |1 2 3|& .& .& .@ < 1621844225 631611 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, output: "1 2 3 ", exit code: 0 < 1621844251 75308 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel -stdin 10 &\:5\?#j$--.@1-::3%\5%/7\?#j$\2a- < 1621844252 191372 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, output: "23 ", exit code: 0 < 1621844258 434199 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel -stdin 1000 &\:5\?#j$--.@1-::3%\5%/7\?#j$\2a- < 1621844260 545304 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, output: "233168 ", exit code: 0 < 1621844290 946069 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this is the project euler 1 < 1621844375 324638 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :used b_jonas idea about one-liners with 'j' < 1621844424 619982 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is \?#j$ < 1621844577 143558 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, btw, I was wrong about the prefix -- it appends with "nickname, output: " -- I'll probably change it < 1621844693 413155 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621844712 150166 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621844721 975901 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel -stdin 1000 &\:5\?#j$--.@1-::3%\5%/7\?#j$\2a- < 1621844724 145743 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :output: "233168 ", exit code: 0 < 1621845178 925041 :cyclosa!~cyclosa@2603-6011-4a41-8ada-3d44-ff2a-130a-5b15.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Quit: computer broke < 1621845814 659097 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there no easy way to link to a specific wiki page section? < 1621845891 62513 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, the links seem to exist and can be copied from the "Table of contents" but if TOC isn't added to page then I see no way < 1621845906 756361 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when you hover on the subtitle it doesn't show up anything < 1621846033 77046 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: just read the page source to find the anchor names. I do that for a lot of websites that do have anchors or id attributes but not tables of contents linking to them. < 1621846102 343327 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: or preview an edit where you add __TOC__ at the start to get the anchor name < 1621846230 221294 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds "easy" > 1621846811 855863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RASEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83243&oldid=81013 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+445) 10telling that you can join the IRC channel and ask velik to execute the code < 1621846856 922643 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a plain HTML website with proper anchor names for each section. be glad for that. don't you browse any of the modern nonsense web, all dynamic and unusable? < 1621846999 700038 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't actually ) < 1621847016 50163 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use news via RSS and use old.reddit.com < 1621847022 573188 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*read news < 1621847110 663380 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I suppose the hover anchor appearance does not need JS, only CSS < 1621847573 174850 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_space > 1621847724 854506 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83244&oldid=83243 5* 03Nakilon 5* (-3) 10/* Nth Fibonacci number */ > 1621848407 432159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83245&oldid=83244 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+3) 10Undo revision 83244 by [[Special:Contributions/Nakilon|Nakilon]] ([[User talk:Nakilon|talk]]) > 1621848888 130415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ch44d 5* 10New user account > 1621849600 30780 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83246&oldid=83240 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+128) 10Hello, I am Chad! < 1621849622 809411 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot 0B4mraAVZJEF < 1621849623 34883 :perlbot!~perlbot@71.76.76.1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: aKNSSrw8EjpI > 1621849807 644363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83247&oldid=83245 5* 03Nakilon 5* (-6) 10shorter Fibonacci > 1621850725 317837 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* 10New user account > 1621850935 770340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Morganbarrett 5* 10New user account > 1621851170 728181 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83248&oldid=83246 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+194) 10 > 1621851533 490628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83249&oldid=83248 5* 03Morganbarrett 5* (+150) 10 > 1621851543 506292 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Morganbarrett14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83250 5* 03Morganbarrett 5* (+0) 10Created blank page > 1621851916 837325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83251 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+135) 10Created page with "[[Category: 2021]] This is a stub of my personal page, hello to all that visited! Esolangs published: While(true){ (currently editing)" > 1621851934 518486 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83252&oldid=83251 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+2) 10 > 1621851972 673812 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83253&oldid=83252 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+6) 10 > 1621852934 389149 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Cypooos 5* 10New user account > 1621853227 556256 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83254&oldid=83249 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+212) 10Added my introduction ! > 1621853389 585876 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83255&oldid=78526 5* 03Morganbarrett 5* (+296) 10 > 1621853478 729019 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83256&oldid=83255 5* 03Morganbarrett 5* (+11) 10 > 1621853556 844184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83257 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+251) 10Created page with "[[Category:2021]] [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:High-level]] [[Category:Implemented]] [[Category:Self-modifying]] [[Category:Cell-based]] Category:Linear bounded automat..." > 1621853599 917859 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83258&oldid=83209 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+18) 10 > 1621853880 9633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83259&oldid=83257 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+346) 10 > 1621853942 93390 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83260&oldid=83259 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+955) 10 > 1621853996 872541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83261&oldid=83260 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+20) 10 > 1621854042 160017 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83262&oldid=83261 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+523) 10 < 1621854110 624798 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :should we have an "Esoteric IRC bots" category? < 1621854130 376256 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see at least 4 such pages > 1621854139 754080 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83263&oldid=83262 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+7) 10 < 1621854521 8538 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's 10 bots (some not currently active) listed on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal with 7 of them having articles. < 1621854524 440228 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer PART #esolangs :Leaving < 1621854529 295448 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure if it needs a category though. < 1621854555 487002 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a process for categories that's documented somewhere on there, if you want. < 1621854556 649958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :category:IRC < 1621854600 268968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(my feeling is that the IRC bots are too narrow a category. IRC though, might just be broad enough to be worthwhile) < 1621854637 475329 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, that'd be taggable on IRP too. < 1621854706 14608 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think it falls under any of the established dimensions of categorization, but there's already a few miscellaneous ones. < 1621854730 302593 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In any case, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Categorization is where this discussion should be happening, as a matter of policy. :) < 1621854757 295355 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(That talk page could do with some archiving of inactive topics at some point, maybe.) > 1621854763 918544 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Icecream17/Arbitrary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83264&oldid=83101 5* 03Int-e 5* (+1) 10pluralize (there is no Language category) < 1621854832 409774 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you're doing spring cleaning, "Category:stupid family" probably shouldn't exist. > 1621854873 438204 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83265&oldid=83263 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+59) 10 < 1621854900 78909 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esolangs > 1621854913 675953 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Birb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83266&oldid=82033 5* 03Int-e 5* (+2) 10category: Theoretical -> Unimplemented < 1621855021 696506 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ah, that has 2 members. I only checked the ones with 1 member and no existing category page. < 1621855042 197828 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because those are usually typos/miscategorizations < 1621855056 272145 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I think that one's intentional, but still not good. < 1621855089 560103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I agree. < 1621855092 169819 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Out of curiosity, how do those bottom navigation tables on the real wiki work? Are they category-driven, or something else? Because that's the sort of thing you could plausibly have on an IRC bot page... < 1621855098 351720 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :We also have two empty categories with page < 1621855183 547553 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I guess they're just templates maybe.) > 1621855278 344375 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83267&oldid=83265 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+44) 10 < 1621855284 757806 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot is in category People, lol < 1621855285 687682 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of my colleagues, but sooner or later) this must be recognized that in some member states are interpreting the text in this case it concerns a particularly grave and important issue that we have not just government ministers coming from their national administrations. the parliamentary democracy that led the commission to negotiate on the details, we are coming to the same > 1621855301 624459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83268&oldid=83267 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+4) 10 < 1621855327 786563 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: hmm, I always assumed they were templates < 1621855352 809243 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: Yeah, there was a tiny "view template" link in a corner, now that I actually looked closely at one. < 1621855361 182160 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Italy_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest < 1621855361 448670 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Templates based on a "Navbox" template, it looked like. < 1621855390 585778 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :... the one I was looking was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Eurovision_Song_Contest ... > 1621855392 243950 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83269&oldid=83268 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-21) 10 < 1621855422 543038 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: Trying whether Auto-Identify with NickServ works < 1621855427 743751 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Getting to sixth place and beating Sweden has been a big thing back home.) < 1621855430 583284 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esolangs < 1621855481 141088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :My partner's Italian and their city is in the running for host next year, so we're going to try to attend in person < 1621855489 347768 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's a recent event that's on both of our minds > 1621855502 701281 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83270&oldid=82103 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+452) 10/* I propose the category "Esoteric IRC bots" */ new section > 1621855510 685825 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83271&oldid=83269 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+26) 10 < 1621855548 264737 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On that note, is there any way of getting those navboxes on m.wikipedia? Because it's been real annoying when browsing 'pedia on the phone. < 1621855559 697573 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Especially when you know a page would have one, and it would have exactly the link you need. > 1621855571 652087 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83272&oldid=83253 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+16) 10 > 1621855583 329871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83273&oldid=83272 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10 > 1621855611 449232 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83274&oldid=83258 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+13) 10 > 1621855658 639338 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83275&oldid=83273 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-7) 10 < 1621855661 324681 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Templates using the navbox (navbox) or nomobile (sidebar) classes are not displayed on the mobile web site of English Wikipedia" :( < 1621855665 544385 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Navbox ) > 1621855746 758551 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83276&oldid=83271 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+2) 10 > 1621855811 230468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83277&oldid=83276 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+101) 10 > 1621855939 6265 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83278&oldid=83277 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-6) 10 > 1621855985 17930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83279&oldid=83278 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-28) 10 > 1621856100 191918 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83280&oldid=83279 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+127) 10 > 1621856171 451100 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83281&oldid=83280 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+177) 10 > 1621856197 238682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83282&oldid=83281 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10 > 1621856216 783503 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83283&oldid=83282 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-4) 10 > 1621856272 47106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83284&oldid=83283 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+12) 10 > 1621856285 379233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83285&oldid=83284 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10 > 1621856310 981200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DotSnap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83286&oldid=83219 5* 03Nooder Coob 5* (-1094) 10Blanked the page > 1621856348 140609 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83287&oldid=83285 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+2) 10 > 1621856382 989973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83288&oldid=83287 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-6) 10 > 1621856637 307009 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83289&oldid=83288 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+2475) 10 > 1621856709 576320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83290&oldid=83289 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+46) 10 > 1621856792 974396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83291&oldid=83290 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+79) 10 > 1621856811 60352 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83292&oldid=83291 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+3) 10/* How to define a function? */ > 1621856822 434387 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83293&oldid=83292 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10/* How to define a function? */ > 1621856917 254740 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83294&oldid=83293 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-36) 10/* Naming of functions */ > 1621856926 78921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83295&oldid=83294 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-3) 10/* Naming of functions */ > 1621856965 337762 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83296&oldid=83295 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+64) 10/* Naming of functions */ > 1621856989 556927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83297&oldid=83296 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-22) 10/* Undefined functions */ > 1621856998 350641 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83298&oldid=83297 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-22) 10/* Why CALL? */ > 1621857037 385932 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83299&oldid=83298 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+3) 10/* Why LOOK? */ < 1621857056 228003 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sigh, microedits < 1621857129 377934 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a while(true) < 1621857147 429375 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Germany, meanwhile, still hasn't managed to get that coveted last place... hard to do when your competitor gets a perfect score. < 1621857170 551872 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh that's a guy with [Category: 2021] > 1621857189 452039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83300&oldid=83299 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+334) 10/* Why LOOK? */ < 1621857208 580416 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: The BBC narration during the vote-counting was a bit painful to listen to. < 1621857221 242385 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I won't listen to it then :) < 1621857246 398715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if it can even be found... I suppose it can) < 1621857278 332957 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure it's in the "iPlayer" (BBC's online thing), though I guess it might be geo-restricted. > 1621857282 867959 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83301&oldid=83300 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+11) 10/* Why LOOK? */ < 1621857290 257701 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Especially the part where "we" (I don't know which country is "we" at this point) got 0 from the public vote as well. > 1621857324 20144 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83302&oldid=83301 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+31) 10/* Conditional jumps? */ < 1621857326 620019 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: 0 is an achievement: https://nitter.fdn.fr/ariadneconill/status/1396035169828675585#m < 1621857407 460603 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I watched the bad-bitrate iPlayer stream because I keep forgetting the cheap DVB stick I have for RTL-SDR reasons can actually do it's nominal job too. < 1621857418 131199 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure if the subjective quality of DVB-T is any better though. < 1621857427 402564 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that website makes an awful google translate job > 1621857455 189049 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83303&oldid=83302 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+13) 10/* Conditional jumps? */ < 1621857474 408181 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: huh? > 1621857485 659848 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83304&oldid=83303 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+1) 10/* What can we do with this? */ < 1621857493 712057 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e it detects my location and writes in Russian < 1621857512 312912 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the mail-tester.com > 1621857516 577122 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83305&oldid=83304 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-72) 10/* What can we do with this? */ < 1621857521 546916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: ah, nasty. it's english for me... maybe it's parsing the HTTP language preferences? < 1621857558 693859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if it was geo location based, it would be german for me) < 1621857588 974852 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe browser language, yeah < 1621857592 176913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would also be in contradiction to what nitter is supposed to be... non-JS, non-tracking. < 1621857625 47786 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :locale is in my request headers < 1621857678 481532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: you can replace the nitter.fdn.fr by twitter.com < 1621857736 141979 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the https://www.mail-tester.com/test-kxlo1dgf7 link < 1621857786 427693 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :nitter is in eng for me < 1621857888 722958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Oh. Hmm. But that was in english too when I tried. < 1621857902 17683 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I withdraw the rest of the remarks then < 1621857908 206597 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :..D < 1621857972 792022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did manage to get a 0.7 score on first try though... HELO mail didn't work out well: no reverse DNS, and failed SPF check, both worth -4 points each. < 1621857982 85042 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Accept-Language: ru,en-US;q=0.9,en;q=0.8,uk;q=0.7 < 1621858020 251674 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then -1 for not doing DKIM, and -0.3 because my test mail looked a bit like spam. Fun :) > 1621858037 617001 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83306&oldid=83305 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+93) 10 < 1621858072 251931 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are doing a clever thing < 1621858100 903793 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they make you send an email to the address that they associate with your browser cookies/fingerprint < 1621858111 495726 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I know < 1621858113 289383 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically deanon < 1621858184 597279 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should send one of those esolangs.org wiki password recovery emails there, I'm sure it'd score quite badly too. < 1621858221 559375 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: (my) cookies are ephemeral at least :P < 1621858274 471899 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the field is empty if you curl < 1621858284 300355 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but mostly... I'm not really expecting all that much privacy from browsing the web. < 1621858303 728741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: yes, they had all opportunities for fingerprinting the browser that they need < 1621858309 217407 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION shrugs
< 1621858331 406080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :after the third test, they ask for payment, so there's some hope that *that* is their primary business model < 1621858354 700597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's rate limited, 3 free tests per day) < 1621858365 23519 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my ISP recently mailed everyone with a link to a service to "test your password" > 1621858380 709398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83307&oldid=83306 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-13) 10 > 1621858385 750539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83308&oldid=83307 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-34) 10 < 1621858389 884759 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ugh, was that genuine or spam? < 1621858403 947638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( I test my password every time I log in! ) < 1621858415 447827 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk, some another website that "check if your password is leaked" > 1621858452 323152 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83309&oldid=83308 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+72) 10/* Implementation */ > 1621858460 563483 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83310&oldid=83309 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+1) 10/* External resources */ < 1621858473 881982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 48/60 -- 80% is quite impressive < 1621858475 336794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 0.8 < 1621858506 320227 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I live in a totally new building where there is only one monopolist ISP so they are free to have higher internet price and send absolute trash emails < 1621858537 616440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(users here vs. users there, so take that % with a lot of salt) > 1621858579 410695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83311&oldid=83310 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+42) 10/* External resources */ < 1621858593 230121 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fun :-/ > 1621858639 663334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83312&oldid=83311 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-96) 10/* External resources */ > 1621858647 772198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83313&oldid=83312 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-2) 10/* External resources */ < 1621858661 403692 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :usual 100 mbit/s internet in Moscow costs $6, here it's almost $8 < 1621858798 904450 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and sometimes it routes weirdly, like there were several months of connecting to Finland game servers via France resulting in 3 times higher ping < 1621858828 129816 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :support said "we can't do anything about this, the internet is magic beyond our responsibilities" > 1621860112 958163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83314&oldid=83313 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-54) 10/* Why LOOK? */ < 1621860356 74042 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh JOIN :#esolangs > 1621860793 261927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83315&oldid=83314 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+2) 10 < 1621861229 513694 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 JOIN :#esolangs < 1621861695 148608 :Wezl!~u0_a61@2601:14b:4400:8850:78ad:bff:fef4:8c3e JOIN :#esolangs < 1621862449 973427 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :As all the discussion is here now perhaps the /topic on freenode should be updated to point thisaway? < 1621862522 628959 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :Deewiant: the admins over there literally made that against the rules < 1621862531 695613 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :so best we can do is prod people over the bridge < 1621862553 75935 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, wonderful < 1621863100 217199 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I read about that ##hntop thing. < 1621863121 63840 :xkapastel!uid17782@id-17782.tinside.irccloud.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621863167 20738 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if I'd describe it as "against the rules", the ("draft") policy just says approximately that channels "that have moved" can be claimed by anyone. < 1621863209 422101 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd maybe still be a bit wary about putting something in topic specifically, maybe that's how they look for victims. < 1621863271 953248 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We could make it official on the wiki, I was kind of considering doing that once our proper community registration goes through. (Still no reply, but I imagine there's quite a queue. Our ticket number is in the 500-600 range.) < 1621863578 943192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, rules... < 1621863638 992047 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think we should add a reference to the topic anyway; if Freenode takes over the channel for that so be it. < 1621863646 323011 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :We had ticket #44 and it took quite a while < 1621863671 682930 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: why risk fragmenting the community like that. They’d likely kickban the bridge bot too < 1621863681 496366 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I guess it's also against the rules ("inappropriate advertising") to have "unused channels for the purpose of polluting the channel list results". < 1621863689 872742 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the bridge will stop being useful < 1621863708 946303 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: ignore int-e > 1621863708 946346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: ignoring < 1621863750 154424 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: unignore int-e > 1621863750 154470 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: unignoring < 1621863758 612531 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :/!\ ;) Re the policy changes: https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/compare/e48c814...4210b31 < 1621863762 645866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(a bit too early for ignores, but I will do that eventually. < 1621863771 631343 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: /!\ yeah I knew about that :) < 1621863821 37504 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: And I mean both the "/!\" and the changes. < 1621863977 531825 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Honestly that one is a bit more understandable. The rule lawyer in me suggests +s > 1621864207 980374 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cythan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83316 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+6373) 10Created the page < 1621864263 795813 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder how many people have found the channel by listing, anyway. Probably not a huge fraction. < 1621864279 98442 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1621864660 915212 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a feel that "random read and push" is less powerful than "random write and pop" < 1621864847 377909 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :without random write once the task becomes complex enough (involves several variables) it makes RASEL stack grow infinitely, like the Fibonacci[n] case does in my example < 1621864899 352961 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or am I missing some solution > 1621865753 622688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83317&oldid=83316 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+155) 10Correcting some mistakes < 1621865798 819107 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or should I finally stop resisting and add random write to RASEL < 1621865854 558437 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I don't recall whether it was one of the (now defunct) mailing lists, or a discussion elsewhere on IRC... < 1621865861 448182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but probably not the wiki < 1621866187 874471 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could make the "reverse N top elements on stack" command that can be used as both random read and write < 1621866194 701588 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I feel like I saw some language with it < 1621866314 18638 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Piet has something a bit like that < 1621866368 427697 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually wiki search re veal a plenty of such > 1621866505 136871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83318&oldid=83317 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+168) 10Added the Categories < 1621866628 859986 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm maybe the assumption that "reverse N top elements" can be used for random read and write was too fast < 1621866651 646522 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" We could make it official on the wiki" => if you do that, also switch over what the logs default to on your logs web interface, because I feel like that's part of what makes it official < 1621866680 344882 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :once you do the reverse you lose the access to all the top values that you were working with < 1621866815 269277 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: queue a couple of days ago was 220 project registrations in the backlog https://twitter.com/liberachat/status/1396029243101007873 > 1621867089 897264 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BALAE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83319&oldid=82560 5* 03WallGraffiti 5* (+505) 10Added examples + corrected descriptions of "{" and "}" operators. < 1621867108 954007 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, I imagine the read(N) now: reverse(N), dup, reverse(N+1), reverse(N-1), reverse(N) -- 5 operations, can it be shorter? < 1621867155 127128 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :eventually we will have to speed up redirecting everyone by just making the freenode channel invite only and kicking everyone, but for now it probalby helps more if people see a bridge < 1621867169 718927 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not everyone is on irc every day, there are new people who won't have heard of the freenode drama for years > 1621867370 989886 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83320&oldid=83318 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+2) 10Correcting mistakes < 1621867417 224509 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The new logs web interface -- https://logs.esolangs.org/ -- doesn't really default to either. I was going to make https://esolangs.org/logs/... URLs to forward to the freenode logs to keep old permalinks working, but the plain /logs/ path with no file specified I could point arbitrarily. > 1621867429 694633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83321&oldid=83320 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-8) 10/* Resources */ Fix link < 1621867430 587782 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :This would also be probably the best chance to change the permalink syntax not require anchor names to be case-sensitive, if we want to. IIRC, the spec says they *are* case-sensitive, but (pre-Edge?) IE didn't treat them as such, so `#la` was the same as `#lA`. But maybe that's no longer so relevant. < 1621867455 722509 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Base 62 is a little more compact than base 36 would be. < 1621867674 288776 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now write(N,top): rotate(N), rotate(N+1), swap, pop, rotate(N) -- 5 operations too < 1621867684 746756 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and N should be static in both cases > 1621867690 359679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83322&oldid=83315 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+291) 10 < 1621867700 549681 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that's the limitation I don't like) < 1621867720 712422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, https://logs.esolangs.org/ is the new interface? ok < 1621867736 542378 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, odd number of rotations, heh, missed something < 1621867786 867899 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: pre-edge IE is dying out though, isn't it? > 1621867802 474363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83323&oldid=83321 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+0) 10Correcting some mistakes < 1621867854 215516 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: there doesn't seem to be an easy link from https://esolangs.org/logs/all.html back to the top or to the other channel's logs < 1621867906 68690 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re pre-Edge IE, probably. I feel like oerjan's the only one who ever noticed those links didn't work on some browser. < 1621867995 330813 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: write is only 3 steps, rotate(N+1), pop, rotate(N-1) < 1621867997 35853 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've not made any changes to the version running at /logs/ so it won't know the other channel exists. As for getting back to the top, yeah; though logs/ is the same page as logs/YYYY.html of the current year, so clicking on the year gives you the same view. < 1621868032 395515 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the new thing, I can do some changes to integrate them a little better. Haven't yet, though. < 1621868153 539799 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :What I *have* changed so far is to put the top announcement and the bottom about text into the configuration file rather than a `constexpr char[]` variable, so I can change them without recompiling. ;) < 1621868176 227918 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And of course the ability to serve from more than one root.) < 1621868179 167650 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e true < 1621868624 596081 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esolangs > 1621868738 366265 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83324&oldid=83322 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+3) 10/* How do you know this is Turing-complete? */ < 1621868762 940584 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the bad thing is that N has too be static or you'll lose it immediately on the first rotate, so I'm now thinking about another operation instead -- swap(N) that swaps the top element with the Nth one < 1621868817 371976 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the write(N) then is trivial, but read(N) is complex and as far as I can imagine relies on write(N) < 1621869092 217595 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so assuming the stack is [... 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, X, N] to put the X to Nth position under it would be the: swapn, pop > 1621869142 106748 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83325&oldid=83324 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+59) 10 > 1621869160 166372 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83326&oldid=83325 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+1) 10/* How do you know this is Turing-complete? (WIP as apparently it needs to be the EXTENDED conjecture) */ < 1621869269 285469 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: also that explains why someone mentioned wikia and their tactic of "no, you can't edit the nethack.wikia.org front page to say that https://nethackwiki.com/ is a more up to date more actively maintained fork of the wiki < 1621869295 672614 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey, it looks like https://nethack.wikia.org/ is deleted! what happened? < 1621869366 311856 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it would actually started to have become useful right now, when a lot of nostalgic folks might think that Nethack 3.4.3 is the one true canonical version and perhaps not every page on the wiki should be updated to reflect the 3.6 branch changes because now it's harder to find reliable info about 3.4.3 < 1621869393 612436 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though perhaps that nostalgic target audience wouldn't go to wikia anyway < 1621869505 323664 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should actually learn to play NetHack one day < 1621869526 307797 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've tried a few times but I've not been patient enough to do any well at it > 1621869546 569739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83327&oldid=83326 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-140) 10 < 1621869608 55741 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: there were some IRC channels on freenode that could help you in that < 1621869644 972440 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: sadly I am no longer on Freenode < 1621869656 550058 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Perhaps there may be some IRC channels elsewhere soon < 1621869682 718393 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: yes, and I don't know where those IRC chnanels are right now, and they might not know yet too < 1621869706 522484 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there will probably still be an IRC presence in the long term < 1621869708 828876 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a note at the top of https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Freenode that may provide a hint < 1621869850 968721 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Quit: brb < 1621869873 823238 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I'll give NetHack another go this evening < 1621869917 6637 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been hanging around on the #nethack channel (formerly on freenode, now here), but I don't know if there's usually that much learning going on in there. < 1621869926 989919 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which isn't to say you wouldn't get answers if you asked a question. < 1621869977 41202 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN :#esolangs < 1621869980 376673 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use it mostly to watch Rodney's announcements of games on NAO every now and then, because sometimes the deaths can be quite amusing. < 1621870026 593323 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now if it's [... 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, N] to read the Nth position under it would be: dup, dup, dup, 2, +, swapn, dup, 3, swapn, swap, 1, +, swapn, pop < 1621870027 613603 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"killed by a wolf, while taking off clothes" and so on. < 1621870057 307141 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol, 14 operations to for random write with this swapn operator < 1621870060 432877 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: some of it has moved to other channels... let me look up the name < 1621870076 430801 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean for random read < 1621870082 488704 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :freenode/#hardfought < 1621870101 808498 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also some of the learning is concentrated in the two months with big nethack competitions < 1621870105 896268 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(online obviously) < 1621870141 44510 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why nethack if there is dcss < 1621870194 166389 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I'd recommend adding a primitive that pops an index, then swaps the top of stack with an element deep in the stack with that index. that's probably the easiest and simplest thing you can add that guarantees to solve both the random access problem and the problem that you don't have extra registers and can't easily permute the top of stack < 1621870211 138797 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If your name is Jack, and one of your hobbies is listening to music, and you usually do it with headphones, would you consider "Headphone Jack" as a nickname? These are the kind of things I think about when plugging in headphones for a meeting. < 1621870231 141956 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Who's that? Oh, that's Headphone Jack." < 1621870244 83498 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas that's exactly the swapn I was using just now < 1621870287 171969 :Wezl!~u0_a61@2601:14b:4400:8850:78ad:bff:fef4:8c3e QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1621870290 918201 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it resulted in 2 operations for random write and somehow the whole 14 for random read < 1621870325 609738 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: ah good < 1621870374 630999 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: if you want to make the code shorter, I'd just add a handful of named registers with load and store instructions < 1621870380 918380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one-byte ones of course < 1621870403 289235 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though you may also have a point about no easy way to write numbers larger than 9 or 15 or whatever it is < 1621870411 781376 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if that turns out to be a problem, add an instruction for that < 1621870432 358430 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :adding registers has the problem that there is no defined amount of how many registers you need < 1621870439 250574 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, I dunno, why do I care about rasel anyway? I don't have any reason < 1621870450 65993 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :adding two will solve "half" of problems, then you'll need 3 for another 1/4, etc, < 1621870462 275486 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: seven registers. it's seven. < 1621870477 561433 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so 14 instructions for them < 1621870538 377480 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would be dc < 1621871144 285394 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that'll be it; deprecating random read 'a', introducing random top-swap 's'; with static N it would be not 14 operations but just a few: 0, N, swapn, dup, N+1, swapn, pop < 1621871340 468240 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the swapn of evil < 1621871341 865216 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then the fibonacci will no longer be memory-leaking < 1621871513 20521 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could even then deprecate '\' in favor of '0s' < 1621871560 990206 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or just redefine the '\' to also always pop a N < 1621871916 880688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_(sports)#Ice_hockey" "The NHL no longer permits the use of 0 or 00 as the League's database cannot list players with such numbers" < 1621871983 71342 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas why care -- because its specification is shorter than befunge while more full, and it's installable with one command ) < 1621872396 987144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: you really should add a link from to the other channel, it would be a helpful way to advertise the move to people < 1621872444 458576 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially since the policies on the old network might cause a problem with the bridge: you probably have to advertise that there's a bridge to a public place the same as you advertise that you have a public log, but you might not be able to do that without advertising the move < 1621872691 599837 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. Well, I hope I'll get the stalker/lurker/stream mode fixed in a day or two, at which point I'll have the previous single-channel URL redirect to the new multi-channel one, and can also add some links to the latter. < 1621872761 806613 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks > 1621872887 515720 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83328&oldid=83232 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+91) 10Added Categories < 1621873904 772323 :xkapastel!uid17782@id-17782.tinside.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1621873935 166909 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN :#esolangs < 1621873997 731153 :kluk!~kluk@cpe-69-203-82-73.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1621874271 307256 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we'll also have to summon kspalaiologos because they might want to modify their logbot, and I don't even know who makes the tunes.org logs < 1621874735 252698 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr JOIN :#esolangs < 1621874900 60565 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621874935 542533 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621875022 549658 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs > 1621875227 922520 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Alpha2 5* 10New user account < 1621875343 658090 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1621875380 15834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83329&oldid=83254 5* 03Alpha2 5* (+228) 10 < 1621875411 326180 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621875520 27581 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1621875537 144534 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr JOIN :#esolangs < 1621875638 606297 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wrote my first Whitespace program today < 1621875647 963191 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's hard to find an editor that doesn't clobber things < 1621875743 528401 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621875792 935430 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's at least one Vim thing to syntax-highlgiht Whitespace, I assume it would also tweak the other settings correctly. < 1621875802 318200 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621876146 940420 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621876250 880266 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621876530 115361 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621876648 820000 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621876953 678809 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1621876990 879550 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RanibowSprimkle64 5* 10New user account < 1621877063 139713 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621877258 99842 :xkapastel!uid17782@id-17782.tinside.irccloud.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621877347 155636 :op_4!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN :#esolangs < 1621877356 779566 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621877402 108101 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs > 1621877422 272905 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83330&oldid=83329 5* 03RanibowSprimkle64 5* (+305) 10 < 1621877760 863727 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621877842 841677 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621878163 922415 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621878255 921018 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621878568 28111 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621878683 126510 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs > 1621878948 595338 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83331&oldid=83328 5* 03Tux1 5* (+83) 10 < 1621878972 331291 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621879070 59092 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621879181 93273 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621879229 973601 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh JOIN :#esolangs > 1621879231 748220 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tux1 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:4bod example.png10]]": An example of a program written for the 4BOD fantasy console. This program draws a 2x2 square in the middle of the screen. < 1621879300 854668 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony < 1621879374 986089 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621879431 29972 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621879484 35413 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :cd > 1621879500 266569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83333&oldid=83331 5* 03Tux1 5* (+32) 10added image < 1621879777 848237 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621879852 481064 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621879878 945874 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so what's the policy about channel squatting? I wanna squat a company channel that is big enough on freenode but they are just idling and not coming here yet < 1621880079 573023 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :For now I don't think there's any problem unless another claim for the same channel comes along. In the medium term, this whole #/## business will probably need sorting out :/ < 1621880095 614025 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah ok, "... a channel belonging to a project you are _authorized to represent_", nvm then < 1621880110 689953 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the "chanserv help claim" < 1621880123 863348 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Two sigils and three separate namespaces is kind of an odd combination. :) < 1621880155 891042 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hah < 1621880181 409935 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let's see the linux developers (linux project) get into a fight with the linux users (community) over #linux < 1621880181 695113 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621880190 994856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: popcorn? < 1621880191 146612 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: let me try to be brief. that being so, i am very surprised to see the light. < 1621880200 868316 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was surprisingly brief < 1621880202 601192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^stule < 1621880210 548137 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style < 1621880210 626281 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1621880241 783184 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the channel I want is #gcloud -- it's the same dead as their thousands users large Slack team < 1621880306 747835 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: also it has to be on topic, which basically means related to a free software project < 1621880323 69924 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621880337 276442 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :their SDK are free software I guess < 1621880350 959539 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also "projects/companies of general interest to our user base", which might cover technologies like that. < 1621880359 109486 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: no way. linux developers don't use IRC. they communicate only by emailed formatted patches. < 1621880362 199899 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1621880365 451467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:RanibowSprimkle6414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83334 5* 03RanibowSprimkle64 5* (+792) 10Created page with "This is the description of my first programming language, if it isn't formatted well or more information is needed, let me know, I don't know how to forum at all, really... L..." < 1621880399 919060 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: there goes my entertainment for the evening < 1621880498 621341 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :we can generate a fake mailing list website from this channel log < 1621880518 741564 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :using nickname mentions to follow the threads, etc. < 1621880562 908305 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and every message will become a cached page in webarchive < 1621880591 84801 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621880650 75741 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621880808 808747 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621880833 57889 :kluk_!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621881075 388620 :kluk_!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621881102 124124 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs > 1621881110 631631 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83335&oldid=83333 5* 03Tux1 5* (+38) 10 < 1621881395 292289 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621881437 100219 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621881576 183180 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 JOIN :#esolangs < 1621881798 333033 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621881893 856769 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621881902 81367 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi > 1621882091 152049 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83336&oldid=83323 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+13) 10Correcting generality difference between the mathematical definition and the implementation < 1621882202 35017 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621882299 61490 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621882484 609953 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621882503 124257 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh JOIN :#esolangs < 1621882605 842112 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621882690 456146 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621883008 463537 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621883120 57744 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-30bf-e302-c094-8fe7.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621883412 212556 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-30bf-e302-c094-8fe7.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621883458 218365 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621883818 101505 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621883893 756323 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs > 1621884167 192074 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Are there alternatives to Language Server Protocol? < 1621884219 457210 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621884273 98089 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621884584 39180 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh QUIT :Quit: tech_exorcist < 1621884627 270515 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621884674 35137 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh JOIN :#esolangs < 1621884730 122583 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621884817 155894 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs > 1621884857 286533 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I feel like clangd predated LSP and had a (C-specific) protocol of its own in the past, but (a) I may be wrong about that, and (b) in any case it no longer does. > 1621884899 340870 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Google's Kythe project has a protocol that I think is in somewhat in the same space, but not quite the same thing. > 1621884918 769027 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Those are the only two things that come to mind; I don't know of anything that'd have the same goals as LSP. < 1621884939 304000 :immibis_!~immibis@62.156.144.218 JOIN :#esolangs < 1621884957 599086 :kluk_!~kluk@cpe-69-203-82-73.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621885081 293582 :cd5!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esolangs < 1621885105 804990 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN :#esolangs < 1621885118 792256 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by sprocklem)) < 1621885123 843132 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@user/sprock NICK :sprock < 1621885137 96145 :sebbu2!~sebbu@user/sebbu JOIN :#esolangs < 1621885231 178529 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-6417-29db-6208-fab1.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621885231 404360 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1621885477 100857 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1621885477 374402 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1621885477 413507 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1621885595 202647 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1621885605 173682 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 JOIN :#esolangs < 1621885781 608094 :cd5!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :cd < 1621886032 97836 :nakilon5!~nakilon@user/nakilon JOIN :#esolangs < 1621886081 848886 :Lykaina!~lyka@thor.lesidhetree.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1621886089 606754 :Lykaina!~lyka@thor.lesidhetree.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621886119 837846 :pikhq!sid394595@highgate.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1621886157 809167 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1621886157 938372 :nakilon5!~nakilon@user/nakilon NICK :nakilon < 1621886159 237744 :jinn!~jinn@d.jinn.army QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1621886166 616474 :jinn!~jinn@d.jinn.army JOIN :#esolangs < 1621886195 769790 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1621886537 850384 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1621886613 747036 :j4cbo!sid186930@id-186930.brockwell.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1621886700 38773 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621886846 709840 :j4cbo!sid186930@brockwell.irccloud.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621886917 786390 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1621886934 224689 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1621886955 99698 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esolangs < 1621886956 125983 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 JOIN :#esolangs > 1621886993 394729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Algj 5* 10New user account < 1621887013 44764 :pikhq!sid394595@id-394595.highgate.irccloud.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621887182 53931 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621887483 880467 :immibis_!~immibis@62.156.144.218 NICK :immibis < 1621887639 818934 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@id-79547.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1621887728 245148 :Trieste!~T@217.138.220.196 JOIN :#esolangs < 1621887740 124938 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@charlton.irccloud.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1621889962 38046 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN :#esolangs > 1621890225 434537 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Capuirequiem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83337&oldid=65570 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+373) 10Amended some orthographic mistakes and reformulated a few parts. > 1621890278 347978 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hyperdawg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83338&oldid=83236 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+46) 10 > 1621890618 374423 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Also, I don't know if LSP has the way to specify the character encoding of the source file; I could not find any when looking at the documentation. < 1621890754 603775 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :it may assume UTF-9 < 1621890756 895259 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :*UTF-8 < 1621890763 263937 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :which makes sense 99.99% of the time tbf > 1621890948 935614 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Approximately, yes, but sometimes it is different, and this may be specified inside of the file itself. (Although ASCII is very common, and UTF-8 is a superset of ASCII, so this will usually work both for ASCII and for UTF-8. It is also necessary to ensure that the byte order mark is omitted if the program doesn't expect it) < 1621890969 710575 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no no, it's always the national characterset of the region where the game is commercially sold, the only one that's in the character ROM of the console where it's played. how could it be anything else? then you'd need some sort of translation layer from the text to what you can actually display. > 1621891208 234559 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Sometimes it may be. However, in those cases, I would expect hopefully some way to detect it, either in the file itself or in something external. (For text files, this may be either a comment or some directive; for binary files the region code might be specified in the header, perhaps, if executing it depends on the region code. For NES/Famicom there is no console character ROM, but for other computers it may be.) < 1621891349 87 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :detect? no, you don't detect it. if you put it into the console in the wrong region, some characters will show up as nonsense, which doesn't matter because the player couldn't read foreign language anyway. at worst some of the corner line drawing characters would show up silly too. and if it's a very different region, it won't even work because of NTSC versus PAL or different shape of the cartridge < 1621891355 253902 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :interface. > 1621891392 418237 PRIVMSG #esolangs : (NES/Famicom does have region coding, but for emulation it is generally sufficient to distinguish between NTSC and PAL. For actual cartridges, the cartridge itself is physically different between NES and Famicom; the NES cartridge doesn't have expansion audio.) < 1621891598 472680 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the japanese NES has some games on floppy instead of a cart, so that's a third incompatible format, even if they're both NTSC > 1621891623 233112 PRIVMSG #esolangs : However, NES/Famicom doesn't have any ROM inside the console, so the character encoding is not a problem here. < 1621891747 95033 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, it worked the same way then as now: they make the console cheapest as possible, even if that means they have to duplicate character ROM, RAM expansion, and sometimes even more stuff in each cartridge < 1621891757 412956 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, not quite < 1621891762 625725 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :back then they actually made the hardware cheap < 1621891780 562514 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :now they're just selling it cheap and selling the games expensive, it's not that the games come on carts with expensive extra hardware > 1621891814 447830 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Yes, there is the Famicom Disk System. However, that uses a special cartridge. (I have never seen any emulator though that allows you to load multiple BIOS images and to load another disk image file without resetting) < 1621891872 977502 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: surely emulators on home PC consoles like the Commodore 64, which have built-in ROM and expansion cards, support that < 1621891904 802802 :xkapastel!uid17782@id-17782.tinside.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1621891995 662834 PRIVMSG #esolangs : b_jonas: Yes, but I mean NES/Famicom emulators specifically < 1621892045 397041 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do they emulate crazy cartridge swapping realtime speedruns, or speedruns where people put their console on a hot plate or cause deliberate hardware errors in other ways? :-) < 1621892058 890355 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the NES probably isn't the most common console for that > 1621892118 416319 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Some stuff in the cartridge can also be used to customize the hardware for different games, which is sometimes helpful. The small amount of RAM in the console is not usually an advantage, although I have designed a mapper to take advantage of the RAM mirroring in order to improve bankswitching speed; this is a kind of simpler way than implementing read-back in the cartridge > 1621892276 598739 PRIVMSG #esolangs : (For example, if $1000-$1FFF, $3000-$3FFF, $5000-$5FFF, and $7000-$7FFF are all mapped to the bank switching register, then you can write to $1050 and it bankswitches, later write to $1051 for another bank, and later, read $1050 to switch the bank back to the first one (no need to write). This requires less logic in the cartridge, too.) > 1621892409 150814 PRIVMSG #esolangs : (You can also read/write the same memory at $0050 and $0051, without causing the bank switching. In this case, you might, for example, save the data for switching the bank later, or read it back without switching.) < 1621893788 44197 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esolangs < 1621894834 905332 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? towel < 1621894836 109847 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :towel? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1621895528 358163 :kluk_!~kluk@cpe-69-203-82-73.nyc.res.rr.com NICK :kluk < 1621895743 154020 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A hopefully quick blip in the bot situation. < 1621895758 682165 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esolangs < 1621895758 758636 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs < 1621896086 25838 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's quite a house of cards. < 1621897133 87529 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621897253 976781 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh QUIT :Quit: tech_exorcist < 1621897431 181390 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1621897977 528011 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esolangs > 1621899083 519006 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Point14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83339&oldid=74588 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (-17) 10 > 1621899344 306050 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Point14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83340&oldid=83339 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+3) 10/* In-depth */ > 1621899409 239400 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Point14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83341&oldid=83340 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+1) 10/* Countdown */ > 1621899525 680159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83342&oldid=83341 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (-77) 10