< 1622160164 556559 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can also seed it with any fixed set of colors before generating new random ones
< 1622160176 257046 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :like you might decide to do all the primary and secondary colors first
< 1622160183 862717 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then generate random ones (which will tend to be less saturated)
< 1622160191 658926 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but so far I think I like the aesthetics of all-random the most
> 1622160562 803220 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Flkl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83527&oldid=83524 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-30) 10/* Flkl programming language */ Remove needless BR tags
> 1622160582 858954 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03S1(210) 5*  10New user account
< 1622160633 485034 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would be neat to pair a camera with a bunch of narrow-spectrum light sources that illuminate in quick succession
< 1622160666 998529 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :then you could take a composite multispectral photograph of an object and see what it would look like in different forms of lighting
< 1622160756 663058 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think usually those systems use a bunch of band-pass filters instead? 
< 1622160769 774148 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure where I've gotten that impression from though.
< 1622160835 911668 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it doesn't really make a difference whether you slap that filter in front of the light source or the sensor, if you're doing it with filters.
< 1622160957 196211 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapshot_hyperspectral_imaging I'm going to be stuck clicking on links forever, right? 
< 1622161105 928528 :dcristofani!~dcristofa@c-24-20-238-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"don't attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity" is a bad rule. Because it is standard practice for malicious people to disguise their malice as stupidity; it's a fairly strong/easy/inexpensive layer of defense to add. Or as Blake put it, "Folly is the cloke of knavery".
> 1622161247 6615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83528&oldid=83526 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+362) 10/* Introductions */
< 1622161329 378038 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`logs
< 1622161331 298316 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :logs? No such file or directory
< 1622161333 898065 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? logs
< 1622161335 349525 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#esoteric channel logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/
< 1622161350 742217 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, that's not up to date.
< 1622161387 619843 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mostly just want to see how many of those log the new channel
< 1622161399 22994 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs : /!\ this shouldn't appear in the old channel
< 1622161411 251266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though some of the logs update slowly 
< 1622161449 547401 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :tunes seems to log the old channel
< 1622161466 917524 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, codu.org stopped logging in 2016 and I think that GitHub repo also gave up earlier this year? 
< 1622161487 173334 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least the last commit has the message "final update".
< 1622161487 494166 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and... um, kspalaiologos's logs seems to have stopped at 2021-02-07. and I haven't seen kspalaiologos recently.
< 1622161510 95932 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that's deliberate?
< 1622161577 779134 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot logs
< 1622161578 383848 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Mojo::Log for minimalism, Log4perl for maximum overkill, Log::Any for anything in between | Log::Dispatch, Log::Dispatchouli, Log::Contextual
< 1622161582 109389 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I faintly remember something about GitHub changes making it less feasible.
< 1622161595 606636 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I might have imagined that.
< 1622161598 459500 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot #esolangs logs
< 1622161598 992555 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Mojo::Log for minimalism, Log4perl for maximum overkill, Log::Any for anything in between | Log::Dispatch, Log::Dispatchouli, Log::Contextual
< 1622161606 688680 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh?
< 1622161610 906805 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot fact #esolangs logs
< 1622161611 172922 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Mojo::Log for minimalism, Log4perl for maximum overkill, Log::Any for anything in between | Log::Dispatch, Log::Dispatchouli, Log::Contextual
< 1622161614 701105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what?
< 1622161623 235536 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why does it ignore the first word?
< 1622161653 167024 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :# makes it a comment? :) (Probably not.)
< 1622161662 566595 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :dunno
< 1622161672 229076 :dcristofani!~dcristofa@c-24-20-238-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1622161691 788395 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop has done a lot of changes to that bot since I worked with it, including lots of new features
< 1622161706 897405 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not really in the loop of any of the new developments
< 1622161878 126238 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should probably restart esolangs, I've been doing a lot of refactoring and while it's still been working locally, I don't have enough test coverage to be confident that I didn't break anything, so "releasing" now would mean less work to trace what exactly did break.
< 1622161886 678499 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Plus the latest change adds an (internal) RPC interface that can be used to watch incoming messages and send out new ones, which I was hoping to use to do that CertFP registration.
< 1622161942 751364 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I will set up a IRC channel, can the log system that esolangs IRC is using, be used? (No guarantee that it will not later be moved to a different system, though, such as my own one)
< 1622162020 65352 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mm, well, the bot supports multiple networks and channels better now than it used to, so I imagine it could.
< 1622162115 614980 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If multiple instances are running and one becomes temporarily unavailable, is it possible to merge them once they become available again?
< 1622162115 940651 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :#go-nuts used to have the public channel logs over at https://freenode.logbot.info/ which decided to shut down, so now the channel is without logs. (Of course some people like it that way, which is fair enough.)
< 1622162212 693515 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't written any code specifically to do that. I think it can be a little tricky, because event ordering isn't exactly the same if the instances have connected to different (IRC) servers. Probably it can be done reasonably reliably though.
< 1622162280 426712 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is an IRCv3 specification to add a unique message ID tag, which would make that easier, but I don't think any network supports that (and nor does the bot).
< 1622162354 530987 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose there is also the consideration if the timestamps are missynchronized, although the time difference can easily be found by comparing the logs for the time that both instances were connected, in order to resynchronize the time stamps.
< 1622162376 357777 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: you stumbled upon the syntax on how to ask for a specific channel's factoid namespace.  since there isn't one for #esolangs it falls back to the default one, ##NULL
< 1622162385 343085 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :one second i'll setup a factoid namespace for here to demo
< 1622162402 352519 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Although even then is the possibility that a message will be delayed for whatever reason)
< 1622162466 330890 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: hi
< 1622162476 318606 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's now got a seperate set of factoids just for you guys
< 1622162479 221261 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: ##NULL hi
< 1622162482 44950 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: hello
< 1622162518 688739 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: hi is Welcome to #esolangs.  The liberated church of esoteric programming proselytization, propagation, and pronunciation!
< 1622162518 875604 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: Stored hi is Welcome to #esolangs.  The liberated church of esoteric programming proselytization, propagation, and pronunciation!
< 1622162540 42471 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://factoids.perl.bot/libera.chat/%23esolangs/list now shows all the factoids here
< 1622162568 160363 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i can *also* tell it that you want your own namespace but to recurse down into the old default namespace so that you can override anything too
< 1622162788 257301 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact that's what i'm going to do now
< 1622162816 335002 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: bye
< 1622162816 554739 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [hi]
< 1622162842 843280 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: bye
< 1622162843 92078 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [hi]
< 1622162845 25035 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :hrm
< 1622163064 262978 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok i don't remember how to set that up offhand because i don't do it often hold on
< 1622163576 522704 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: hi
< 1622163576 842786 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: Welcome to #esolangs.  The liberated church of esoteric programming proselytization, propagation, and pronunciation!
< 1622163580 766787 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: bye
< 1622163581 56842 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [hi]
< 1622163586 262824 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :bah why are you not working
< 1622163677 299506 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: alright now it's properly set up.  you can set and override any factoids in here and it won't affect other channels.  so you can in fact do:
< 1622163690 434301 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/
< 1622163690 613888 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: Stored logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/
< 1622163707 907945 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it's now set for just here
< 1622163772 563428 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but all the previous factoids that the bot has from #perl et al are still available and will fall back.  this then also introduces the difference between the "forget" and "delete" commands for the bot.  forget will make it not respond to a factoid, regardless of if the factoid exists in the fallback, delete will just get rid of the version of it here
< 1622163788 265890 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: logs
< 1622163788 432601 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/
< 1622163795 740626 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: #perl logs
< 1622163796 58252 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: Mojo::Log for minimalism, Log4perl for maximum overkill, Log::Any for anything in between | Log::Dispatch, Log::Dispatchouli, Log::Contextual
< 1622163805 685251 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: forget logs
< 1622163805 861779 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: Forgot logs
< 1622163807 826831 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: logs
< 1622163808 83441 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [log] [loc] [.lc] [lc] [.lk] [lk] [.ls] [lex] [lhc] [lhs]
< 1622163815 945110 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: delete logs
< 1622163816 117687 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: Deleted logs from libera.chat:#esolangs
< 1622163821 491323 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: logs
< 1622163821 761416 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: Mojo::Log for minimalism, Log4perl for maximum overkill, Log::Any for anything in between | Log::Dispatch, Log::Dispatchouli, Log::Contextual
< 1622163829 359847 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok enough explination and spam
< 1622163832 759443 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/
< 1622163833 514030 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: Stored logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/
< 1622164002 730701 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can thank digitok from #regex for begging for that ability a few years ago
< 1622164073 696345 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then last year i improved it significantly to be able to do the recursion through multiple namespaces so that i could safely put the bot on discord and matrix without it affecting irc at all
< 1622164202 856411 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the point is now, you guys can have all your own factoids and not worry about breaking anyone else
< 1622164222 640478 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's also possible to get the bot to respond to just a string like "!logs"
< 1622164229 888362 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :like an unaddressed command
< 1622164248 665686 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? perl
< 1622164254 79 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Perl is the Perfect Emacs Rewriting Language
< 1622164311 907726 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, "forget" will make the bot not respond to something, and "delete" removes the change you've made in your namespace here, so you can go back to the fallback if you want.
< 1622164345 648316 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@metar lowi
< 1622164347 22307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :LOWI 280050Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 FEW060 SCT070 06/05 Q1023
< 1622164377 307072 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: noone minds I guess, just don't expect it to see much use
< 1622164404 652120 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: was wanting to use it so i figured i'd give a proper explination of how to use it :)
< 1622164427 890512 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"explanation"
< 1622164428 266573 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and why he saw strange behavior
< 1622164435 854887 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea i suck at spelling
< 1622164984 846919 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, since we were talking about QUIC the other day -- turns out the QUIC RFC just got published, and it got a nice round number: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9000
< 1622164995 82899 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice
< 1622165929 705082 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esolangs
< 1622165929 790543 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs
< 1622165953 791798 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: delete logs
< 1622165954 88915 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Deleted logs from libera.chat:#esolangs
< 1622165960 134562 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :awesome
< 1622166011 170205 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll add it to velik's cron
< 1622166040 208550 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now how to restore it?..
< 1622166078 506425 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot: logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/
< 1622166078 883983 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Stored logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/
< 1622166108 694676 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :at first I thought it's really deleting logs
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> 1622166259 864321 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Undefined behavior (language)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83529 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* (+105) 10Created page with "'''Undefined behavior''' is a language where everything is undefined.  Literally. '''There is no spec.'''"
> 1622166429 977565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83530&oldid=83502 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* (+144) 10
< 1622166930 194921 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what the fuck is this shit. oi, needs more colors and underline
< 1622167293 937549 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`relcome mnrmnaugh
< 1622167295 749229 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​13mnrmnaugh: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06<https://esolangs.org/>. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07EFnet 08or 09DALnet.)
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< 1622168539 488918 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol i fucking love it
> 1622168541 514691 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83531&oldid=72984 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1) 10
< 1622168568 657983 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :orly. oi, i keep meaning to join dal
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< 1622170085 762365 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :cd
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> 1622170299 842961 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Flkl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83533&oldid=83527 5* 03Razetime 5* (+105) 10
< 1622170898 343727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"<zzo38> I suppose there is also the consideration if the timestamps are missynchronized, although the time difference can easily be found by comparing the logs for the time that both instances were connected" => it's more complicated than that, because connections from different servers can see messages in different order too, because they originate in different servers in the server tree structure
< 1622170987 924209 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: ah, so now learning factoids here defaults to the #esolangs namespace. thanks.
< 1622171053 309037 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, so you can go nuts and change anything you want without worrying about affecting #perl or me
< 1622171110 757648 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? logs
< 1622171113 151157 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#esoteric channel logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/
< 1622171677 971341 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx this reminded me your seeding thing https://esolangs.org/wiki/Polynomial
> 1622171818 862000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Undefined behavior (language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83534&oldid=83532 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+86) 10categories
< 1622171975 867711 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, since there is the "unusable for programming" category it's possible to see if languages become less or more usable in average over years
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> 1622172468 476039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SF Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83535&oldid=83470 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+27) 10Recategorization) ("Toggle" prove its self-modifying
< 1622172509 698506 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, Spreadheet automatically made a range for me https://i.imgur.com/bVW4YH7.png
< 1622172887 33218 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19o7VNgs1iKZdBvp9t6-oMlKj1H5vKHnK3GDz82QMLdg/edit?usp=sharing
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< 1622173445 608067 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't the "Output only" a subcategory for "Unusable for programming"?
> 1622173590 806025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83536&oldid=59482 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+188) 10Added formatting help link. Also "Hi, mom" may be considered offensive although it is a popular movie name
< 1622173661 768239 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi, mom
> 1622173948 294478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83537&oldid=83506 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+97) 10
< 1622173999 633558 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for a moment I didn't realise that this https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ColorfulGalaxy_(disambiguation) is a user account, different from https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ColorfulGalaxy
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< 1622175526 220200 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It depends on what programming
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> 1622185590 482560 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83539&oldid=82856 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+154) 10
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< 1622185718 959860 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :an interesting thing about my color picking algorithm is that you can substitute any distance metric
> 1622185749 99701 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83540&oldid=83537 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+46) 10
< 1622185768 21687 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example this version is picking colors that are supposedly distinguishable by someone with deuteranopia (red-green colorblindness) https://i.imgur.com/7Ntu3c1.png
< 1622185786 891959 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :based on code i cribbed from here https://github.com/joergdietrich/daltonize
< 1622185828 240957 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the left column is the actual picked color, the right column supposedly shows to a person with normal color vision how it would look for someone with r-g colorblindness
< 1622185833 261057 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: indistinguishable?
< 1622185840 136399 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :aj
< 1622185841 314451 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1622185858 293252 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps if anyone here is colorblind they can tell me if the algorithm does a good job (not that i'm using it for anything, but i'm curious)
< 1622185876 674014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, that explanation of the columns resolved my confusion
< 1622185903 434059 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah it would have been clearer if you were around for the earlier convo between me and nakilon 
< 1622185910 82988 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because I was looking at the pairs and was wondering why a colorblind person would see a difference between left and right :)
< 1622185969 68159 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the original goal is to pick n colors distinguishable from each other, and allow the user to increase n without redoing the earlier picks
< 1622185991 935717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I know "colorblind" is technically wrong. But it's a convenient and common term.)
< 1622185996 879846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I probably mentioned it before, but this change broke GrainFimple: https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=BF-RLE&diff=57737&oldid=25359
< 1622186021 752732 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i do this by, for each row, generating a bunch of random candidate colors, and picking the one that maximizes the minimum distance to any of the previous ones
< 1622186033 265041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(probably just need to clarify on GrainFimple's page)
< 1622186037 977969 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :where the distance metric is CIEDE2000
< 1622186135 848663 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and so now i've modified it to use a distance metric that simulates deuteranopia
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< 1622201125 133326 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish I could provide you a distance formula that I usually use but I always restore it from scratch
< 1622201245 781119 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also can't find it right now because I update OS after 650 days of uptime and it already took like 10 reboots and I'm not sure that it's not dead _<>
< 1622201941 142350 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was today years old when I learned that deuteranopia meant r/g colour blindness, and wasn't just a play on words for an Aeon Flux episode title: Utopia or Deuteranopia, and that title is twice as clever as clever as I ever thought it was. 
< 1622201974 881257 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can't believe that skipped my knowledge in general, or in the specific
< 1622202002 917781 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ty!
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< 1622202084 824149 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? clever
< 1622202086 74640 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Being clever is different from being wise, but they are indistinguishable in sufficiently large quantities.
> 1622202689 799618 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salmmanfred14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83541 5* 03Salmmanfred 5* (+19) 10Created page with "Creator of [[Flkl]]"
> 1622202914 657521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83542&oldid=83473 5* 03Salmmanfred 5* (+11) 10/* F */
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< 1622205107 75042 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<nakilon> you can take the 360 Hue circle and split it evenly => btw better to use hue from CIEL*h*c* or how was it called, the one based on CIEL*a*b*. When that’s too many calculations, CIEL*u*v*-based hue should be still better than hue based on sRGB
< 1622205273 770073 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or was that L. not L*)
< 1622205287 938496 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(they named their variables starred for some reason)
< 1622205319 433779 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(some of them)
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< 1622205800 822661 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv I "love" that Luma Lightness and L...something-else are all different things
< 1622205808 217160 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Luminocity
> 1622205820 637910 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Undefined behavior (language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83543&oldid=83534 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10Fix headers
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> 1622205999 477671 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83545&oldid=83544 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+10) 10;
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< 1622207003 217024 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you don't know how many colors you need in advance (and don't want to reassign already used ones), there's also that trick where you take the integers in order, then reverse the bits (from the highest set one) and tack a 0. in front, and use the resulting binary fraction as your hue.
< 1622207009 427800 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0; 1; 10, 11; 100, 101, 110, 111; ... => 0.0; 0.1; 0.01, 0.11; 0.001, 0.101, 0.011, 0.111; ... => decimal 0.0; 0.5; 0.25, 0.75; 0.125, 0.625, 0.375, 0.875; ... => degrees 0; 180; 90, 270; 45, 225, 135, 315; ...
< 1622207016 128452 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not as optimal as an even split (except when the eventual number of colors is a power of two), and can't as neatly account for an arbitrary distance metric as shachaf's randomized thing, but it's also easy to do and you can compute the N'th color directly.
< 1622207022 828893 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I imagine there's probably other ways of generating that sequence than reversing bits.)
< 1622207342 14427 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah nice hack!!
< 1622207377 500454 :g1n!~g1n@195.114.147.91 PART #esolangs :WeeChat 3.1
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> 1622207878 605450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83546&oldid=82945 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+65) 10/* General languages */ UB (language)
< 1622207918 477032 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it can be found on OEIS
< 1622207944 795442 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if tyour copypaste is correct
< 1622207948 699767 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess another way of expressing that would be "rotate the highest set bit to the bottom and divide by the value of the bit above it", since finding the MSB can be easier than reversing. (You get the numbers in a slightly different order though; each trip around the circle will be in the natural order.)
< 1622207974 449173 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, they are encoded as two numbers
< 1622207989 854381 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe two OEIS sequences
< 1622208004 136626 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not exactly an "integer" sequence, yeah. But I'm sure it's in there in some form.
< 1622208105 555704 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, the divisor is just 1, 2, 4, 4, 8, 8, 8, 8, ... which is definitely in. And the other one would be... 0, 1, 1, 3, 1, 3, 5, 7, which is pretty trivial too.
< 1622208108 239193 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my problem with this is that the theoretical considerations are not too motivated by the original problem of choosing colors, because you almost always want to choose only a very small palette, and then you can probably throw out all those theoretical optimization algorithms and you're going to handpick them and even take into account your company's color scheme or mnemonics or traditional political 
< 1622208114 255016 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :party colors or whatever
< 1622208134 972977 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C+1%2C+3%2C+1%2C+5%2C+3%2C+7&sort=&language=&go=Search
< 1622208137 491884 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :divide
< 1622208137 610997 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fair, although I liked shachaf's randomized algorithm a lot, and think it might even have some plausible use cases.
< 1622208143 344970 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://oeis.org/search?q=2%2C+4%2C+4%2C+8%2C+8%2C+8%2C+8&sort=&language=&go=Search
< 1622208152 8409 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or flags and traditional sportsball jersey colors
< 1622208195 224804 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is shachaf keegan ?
< 1622208206 725436 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the colors might also depend on what technology you use to show them, eg. show on TFT monitor, print in a newspaper chart in RGB, print on a product or ad with spot colors, make plastic LEGO bricks from them etc
< 1622208250 560667 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want to make shirts, your domain probably isn't a monitor's RGB range
< 1622208254 728955 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Numerator of n/2^(n-1). - Alexander Adamchuk, Feb 11 2005
< 1622208343 216751 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't look like n/2^(n-1)
< 1622208366 150390 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :must be concidense
< 1622208743 834039 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: shachaf is not normally keegan but I think in this case fizzie might be mixed upo
< 1622208969 625212 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like there is no formula
< 1622208972 57860 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's all recursive
< 1622208999 225208 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :either a(n) = a(n/2).... or gcd()
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> 1622211580 844270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PUBERTY14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83548&oldid=83498 5* 03Not applicable 5* (-124) 10Undo revision 83498 by [[Special:Contributions/RanibowSprimkle64|RanibowSprimkle64]] ([[User talk:RanibowSprimkle64|talk]]) please dont use the page itself for discussions, use [[Talk:PUBERTY]] instead
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< 1622212727 494608 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: I get those two mixed up all the time for some reason. I think they must hash to the same bucket in my brain or something.
< 1622212778 801898 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had exactly the same problem with two people back at the university, I just couldn't keep them apart even though they weren't all that much alike.
< 1622212964 820224 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: they hash to the same colour in my IRC client
< 1622213763 402145 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re the other thing, the A006257 version (the one that goes 1, 3, 5, 7 instead of 1, 5, 3, 7) has a(n) = 2*(n - 2^floor(log_2(n))) + 1 as a formula, which makes sense, because it's the "write in binary and rotate by 1" thing.
< 1622213770 273733 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And A072383 (the denominator) is d(n) = 2^floor(log_2(n)+1), which also makes sense.
< 1622213775 985381 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So the whole thing put together is (2*(n - 2^floor(log_2(n))) + 1) / 2^floor(log_2(n)+1), simplifications left as an exercise to the reader.
< 1622213780 993020 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let flr = fromInteger . floor in take 16 $ (\n -> (2 * (n - 2**(flr . logBase 2 $ n)) + 1) / 2**(flr (logBase 2 n + 1))) <$> [1..]
< 1622213782 902769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [0.5,0.25,0.75,0.125,0.375,0.625,0.875,6.25e-2,0.1875,0.3125,0.4375,0.5625,0...
< 1622213871 910929 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so initial copypoasta was wrong?
< 1622213878 114712 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I search wrong thing?
< 1622213887 193117 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*searched
< 1622213947 451920 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Depends on how exactly you mean. The one you searched for matched my initial reverse-bits description, I think.
< 1622213973 208272 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In any case, it's the same numbers just in a different order.
< 1622214022 93060 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the same within the denominator buckets
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< 1622214293 865161 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you use a branch as a "marker" for a commit that has some special meaning (like it's the version you've currently got running somewhere), is there a convenient way to move that to a different commit without checking the branch out? Hmm, I guess git update-ref, but that feels pretty low-level.
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< 1622214596 454543 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you are probably more supposed to use tag, not branch
< 1622214613 431290 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then it's trivial -- locally retag another commit and push --force --tags
< 1622214664 124648 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://stackoverflow.com/a/46289900/322020 IIRC it pushes only tags, not the current branch
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< 1622215719 307559 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe, it just feels odd to use a --force flag to do a "normal" operation.
< 1622215739 95107 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, apart from the pushing part (I might keep this entirely local), you need --force to replace an existing tag.
< 1622215849 3047 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, with a branch there would be a reflog, which kind of sounds nice as a built-in record of where it's been.
< 1622215863 461635 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Though apparently you can create a reflog for a tag as well.)
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< 1622216901 353125 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait
< 1622216915 43792 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe you mean it's always --ff when you move that thing?
< 1622216928 810442 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then it would be a branch, yeah
< 1622217051 599420 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you might consider using some web interface if it's a marker that you don't usually use and just keep it for a case
< 1622217131 148294 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, it two companies where I worked there was a "master" branch that was a marker of "what is now in prod"
< 1622217153 77814 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(personally I would just use tags like you do it for software releases)
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< 1622217218 206070 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so no one was actually supposed to "git checkout master" so we did it via web interface of gitlab/github
< 1622217306 812814 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only problem is that you can't merge an arbitrary commit in web interface, only HEAD, so I used API to create a temporary branch, then merge, then delete it
< 1622218135 221730 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"<fizzie> I had exactly the same problem with two people back at the university" => yeah, that happens sometimes. sometimes the has fingerprints that I use to identify people have collisions. It can be somewhat socially uncomfortable.
< 1622218264 10212 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"<fizzie> Also, with a branch there would be a reflog" => wait, tags don't have a reflog by default?
< 1622218276 515230 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't know that
< 1622218285 721206 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's what the documentation seemed to imply.
< 1622218298 705991 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :--create-reflog "Create a reflog for the tag. To globally enable reflogs for tags, see core.logAllRefUpdates in git-config(1)."
< 1622218355 352232 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, make sure you're familiar with git workspace, which lets you check out multiple workspaces from the same repository, and then you can independently switch them to different branches
< 1622218384 468522 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then, even though you have to check out the branch, you at least don't have to lose whatever you have checked out in your main workspace
< 1622218392 938067 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :For the record, I did go with a tag (and a reflog, not that I expect to look at it) for the marker.
< 1622218427 997865 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and apparently it's called git worktree , not git workspace
< 1622218602 183907 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :workspaces?
< 1622218607 539643 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use worktrees for my config file repository, it's got a separate branch called `dist` that only has the stock configuration files straight from the .debs, and whenever I upgrade a package and it does that "this config file was locally edited" thing, I just copy the new dist file into the checked-out dist branch and make a new commit, then (in the main worktree) merge it into the branch that has all the 
< 1622218612 759399 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just git clone in different directories if you mean that
< 1622218613 550347 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :local changes in it, so that git can do a proper three-way merge.
< 1622218644 611794 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah, worktree is different from an independent clone.
< 1622218669 108009 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's basically just a second checked-out working tree from the same repository.
< 1622218809 753384 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, the multiple worktrees share the same namespace of tags and branches
< 1622218838 906884 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they also share storage space but you can partly do that in a clone with that option that uses hardlinks or something
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< 1622220508 297160 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: also luminance and I think we forgot some more
< 1622220632 243239 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I think I saw somewhere an article which used IIRC Poisson disc sampling (with decreasing radius) to make unique colors, taking all dimensions beside hue into account (through ΔE)
< 1622220645 676465 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm if I could only remember where I saw that at all
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< 1622223016 235042 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> is a pretty odd way of signing your comment.
< 1622223265 64705 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1622223434 922055 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw dear esotericians do you for some reason know who and where to ask what is a good price for a melodica (a harmonica-like instrument with keyboard and IMO more mellow timbres on average) for an amateur (like me) but who doesn’t want to end up upgrading to another one later (so, decent construction and sound etc.) as I’m afraid “beginner’s” might be too low a bar for this use case
< 1622223436 363745 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, right, maybe they were reading the instructions in the *source*, where it obviously has to be written that way.
< 1622223494 418454 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or better a guide about melodicas. Though right, this one I may at least try googling myself. Hopefully that’d clear matters
< 1622223548 987103 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do have an acquaintance who plays one, but I don't think they're doing IRC at all frequently. I might as well copy-paste that question to a dead channel we have in common, though.
< 1622223635 908839 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think of making this "IDE"  universal
< 1622223644 112689 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I’m a bit conflicted that English texts are usually better for various advices on many things, whereas you may end up with none in Russian, but then they may usually assume you live in an English-speaking country and “localized” parts of advice would be of no use. That’s lame, Earth
< 1622223661 290777 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Favourite story: was walking through a train station underpass once, and heard someone play the Monkey Island theme tune on a melodica; mentioned that to my friendquaintance later, and turns out they were the person doing the playing.
< 1622223679 638304 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you configure it to launch a specified fungeoid interpreter and that interpreter should support the input format that is not just plain code but annotated
< 1622223713 842669 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :an IDE designed primarily for universal language support?
< 1622223724 626576 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then the IDE waits the configured amount of time for a case if the interpreter subprocess hangs, and if ok it prints the results with debug data somehow
< 1622223740 703063 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :immibis for fungeoids
< 1622223776 915649 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't have a fungeoid interpreter without a debugger where you can watch the turtle run around the program
< 1622223783 413358 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it has to be a turtle)
< 1622223784 46965 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"immibis for fungeoids" sounds like a political slogan. Vote immibis, they're all for fungeoids.
< 1622223791 537923 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh
< 1622223804 444162 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<fizzie> I might as well copy-paste that question to a dead channel we have in common, though. => I’ll be glad for that! And relay I wish them good fun with their instrument, if you may
< 1622223814 125461 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds clumsy
< 1622223826 776945 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv not my fav thing to say out loud but Russians don't think they are supposed to help each other (and lets pretend it's only in the internet)
< 1622223844 527525 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<fizzie> Favourite story: was walking through a train station underpass once, and heard someone play the Monkey Island theme tune on a melodica; mentioned that to my friendquaintance later, and turns out they were the person doing the playing. => haha
< 1622223888 206399 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The set of people likely to be found playing the Monkey Island theme tune on a melodica in a train station underpass (in Finland) probably isn't huge, anyway.
< 1622223894 135844 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I showed someone a wiki diff recently and he said "I don't get it" because he never saw a wiki diff, and never edited anything in the internet at all -- they use it just like a public  toilet that they never flush
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< 1622223930 261939 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: oh I mostly agree. Many communities are a high level of toxicity :( we know
< 1622223957 793514 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :immibis for a start I won't be a real time debugger -- only one message to send and one message to get per program execution
< 1622224065 722014 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv they are unhelpful not because they hate you but because they are just raised like that
< 1622224093 913017 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :with no feeling that they aren't the center of the universe and the only conscious specie here
< 1622224102 268585 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I’m glad I closed the door on one forum lately. That was the last forum I was a regular on. Sucks both ways, there were infrequent fruitful math discussions but it just doesn’t work as a whole. Politics etc., meh. Casino effect made it hard to leave for good but now I’m free and if something I can entertain myself on math.SE or that other one SE site on maths
< 1622224130 893082 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: yep, I could have ended up almost the same
< 1622224135 89219 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :casino effect?
< 1622224243 878735 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just found a group of people who are very nice to each other in the end (not this one) and we chat together about everything and that’s warm and I can rant about linear algebra and someone might even try to read and that’s nice. I’ll indoctrinate them into my view of maths mwahaha
< 1622224280 62500 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"for a start I won't be a real time debugger" -- IT won't be a, not I won't be of course... 
< 1622224300 469723 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I won't be a real-time debugger, I have to sleep every now and then.
< 1622224470 516426 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: IDK how it’s usually called but it’s more or less believed that if the brain sees some pleasing things randomly while doing something, then it could see them with very low probability and still want to do that general thing, no matter how fruitless it might be overall. Like turning the hand of the slot machine or browsing the social feed or watching random funny cat videos on youtubes (hail gods I don’t do the last two at all; I still fi
< 1622224470 615969 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nd time for other timesinks like occasional minecraft or binge reading until sunrise)
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< 1622224528 371963 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC that’s related to something something dopamine intoxication
< 1622224534 942222 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's called a hope I guess
< 1622224545 108753 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not a conscious hope
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< 1622224563 440325 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you just scroll and scroll, or push and push, or something, even if it’s toxic etc.
> 1622224567 664667 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83554&oldid=83551 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+108) 10Clarify signature instructions.
< 1622224571 351113 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mind is not wise
< 1622224577 528413 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then it's a procrastination ..D
< 1622224588 760621 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds like
< 1622224618 766954 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :neither by default, nor most of the time. Procrastination is a super-how-it’s called of that, I guess. It can be more fruitful
< 1622224623 109218 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like drawing something
< 1622224654 694012 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :like coding in befunge
< 1622224657 348955 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want more than a few random points in a space with normal Euclidean metric, https://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/doc/html/qrng.html might help, though I never tested it. but if you just want few points, like for a color scheme, then you'll want to pick colors from the edges of the color space, like completely saturated or completely bright colors, so unless you use something too simple like RGB 
< 1622224659 441457 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might have a value of its own (though unrelated to what you have to do instead of procrastinating)
< 1622224661 369992 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep
< 1622224663 596236 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :distance as your metric, something like that won't be enough.
< 1622224664 325798 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION just trolling
< 1622224671 554227 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :befunge seems like art too
< 1622224687 376176 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm didn’t seem like that :) if so you caught me
< 1622224711 126106 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I’m very trollable because of my strong presupposition of sincerity
< 1622224730 801261 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though in the end I learn and end up bitter to offending people :P
< 1622224805 655060 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BTW a real-time debugger for fungeoids would be rad
< 1622224806 21554 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, so that's a harmonica without the bellow, blown with your lungs and mouth?
< 1622224825 203182 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: so is a regular harmonica? :D
< 1622224840 41127 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it will be an annotator, a unique thing
< 1622224846 82650 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, not glass harmonica but that’s not a harmonica
< 1622224851 704430 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it's how I should call it actually
< 1622224867 489463 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungannotator?
< 1622224888 497532 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :funnotator?
< 1622224896 327425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the second seems better
> 1622224955 910061 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83555 5* 032000gmod 5* (+986) 10Created page with "'''BrainfOOP''' (also known as BrainFOOP, Brain-Foop, BFOOP or simply Brainfoop) is a variant of [[Brainfuck]] that implements object-oriented programming (OOP) to Brainfuck...."
< 1622224956 322870 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow 100% discount https://store.steampowered.com/app/424840/Little_Nightmares/ I saw this game on youtube
< 1622225129 422967 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: ok, but harmonica makes me think of the instrument with a bellow and keyboard by default
< 1622225135 533429 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :pumped by hand
< 1622225138 205253 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: BTW if Hungarian words for harmonica and some accordion-like instruments are similar, the Russian situation is the same, harmonica is essentially “mouth <little>accordion” where accordion is not the accordion
< 1622225162 496453 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah! I think English here has some historical shenanigans to end up the way it did
< 1622225163 588309 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, it might be a language difference
< 1622225190 799662 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ending up with “harmonica” for exclusively the mouth variant
< 1622225259 30219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, but does harmonica at least refer only to the ones with a keyboard?
< 1622225272 672471 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I always forget all that thing about accordeons
< 1622225300 256651 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are even three words - аккордеон гармонь баян
< 1622225303 736251 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also a proper melodica has a tube to connect the mouth with the instrument body, and I think it should be able to open for cleaning (at least one guy in yt video claimed they all do open and showed how he cleaned his one)
< 1622225338 183144 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: English harmonica is just with holes to blow into and no more, and melodica should be the one with keus
< 1622225350 205385 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I seem to be Greek today, keys*
< 1622225394 160854 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs
< 1622225412 669956 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, but then what is a mouth organ?
< 1622225423 555983 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: one of ABBYY dictionaries I have installed says баян is called “button accordion”, seems logical enough, but then it gives “accordion” to both of the others, welll
< 1622225443 882140 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: that’s synonymous with harmonica
< 1622225451 157402 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1622225455 855155 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or at least should be)
< 1622225463 487699 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the one with a bellow but no keyboard is a bagpipe, right?
< 1622225468 487948 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :associated with the Scots
< 1622225481 461630 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah
< 1622225539 463004 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1622225561 585476 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm I didn’t thought they were that related before. Though bagpipe should be not a reed-something-phone so they’re not that close
< 1622225588 692595 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be fair I don’t know if its pipes are woodwind-type or what
< 1622225626 891620 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that scot instrument is волынка that is violin in english but it's not a violin, it's all messed...'
< 1622226013 564192 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The instrument that's en:accordion is fi:haitari, a word which is used literally for that instrument, but figuratively also for any kind of range of values some fluctuating quantity could be in, like a price range. I think the intuition is, you stretch and squeeze an accordion, so it sort of defines a range. (We also have the word fi:harmonikka for the instrument, which is pretty clearly of Russian 
< 1622226019 572941 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :origin.)
< 1622226147 226466 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :As for en:harmonica, that's fi:huuliharppu, which literally translates as "lip harp".
< 1622226181 919962 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :article says these are harmonics https://pop-music.ru/upload/medialibrary/f11/f11b058e30f5e11af495e0dcc60093ca.png
< 1622226199 294962 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and these are accordeon and bayan https://pop-music.ru/upload/medialibrary/787/7870651f091867dc791d16009cae56b8.png
< 1622226219 142125 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like bayans.
< 1622226227 99986 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :And chromatic button accordions more generally.
< 1622226273 347017 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was secretly hoping the Russian word for accordion would use a ё.
< 1622226344 155633 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: The first one in your first link is I think a "harmonium" in English.
< 1622226394 50733 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wikipedia says " keyboard aerophone (G. Handharmonika)"
< 1622226447 212273 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also that thing called a glass harmonica, which is a pretty weird-looking one.
< 1622226499 232735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC ё is usually written as е anyway. Ешик is the example I recall.
< 1622226583 808461 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's been decades though :P
< 1622226630 494153 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://coimages.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/images/27/528/medium_E2011_130_9__0001_.jpg <- and this thing, which AIUI is called a Crystal Palace. ;)
< 1622226646 639095 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But maybe it doesn't count as a kind of an instrument when there's only the one.
< 1622226648 219176 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :err. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%91%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%BA
< 1622226674 421589 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :mixing up ш and ж is not good.
< 1622226774 966167 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sonic the Ёжик.
< 1622226845 411425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's particularly bad because that word is a mnemonic for the letter "ж" which looks a bit hedgehog-like.
< 1622226847 480810 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like hedgehogs.
< 1622226865 584211 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also like cats. My neighbor has a friendly cat.
< 1622226877 881135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat cat
< 1622226878 968453 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: cat: No such file or directory
< 1622226882 650729 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :aww
< 1622226896 888666 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, right
< 1622226899 311514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat ../cat
< 1622226900 10709 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: ../cat: No such file or directory
< 1622226912 164166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay. that one did exist at some point
< 1622226922 716152 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`doag ../cat
< 1622226924 838652 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :7886:2016-05-06 <shachäf> ` mv cat junk \ 5779:2015-07-02 <int-̈e> ` sed -i \'s/$/  >^.^</\' cat \ 3768:2013-09-16 <Rouj̈o> cp oerjan/cat cat \ 3767:2013-09-16 <Rouj̈o> rm cat \ 3729:2013-09-11 <Rouj̈o> mv oerjan/cat cat \ 3727:2013-09-11 <oerjän> rm cat \ 3694:2013-09-10 <Rouj̈o> cat run > cat \ 3693:2013-09-10 <Rouj̈o> cat run | echo > cat \ 3692:2013-09-10 <Rouj̈o> mv cat run \ 3691:2013-09-10 <Rouj̈o> echo Meow~~ > cat \ 3690:2013-09-10 <Ro
< 1622226927 878445 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahah
< 1622226934 835624 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ешик sounds like some jew name
< 1622226935 183727 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Uh oh!
< 1622226936 118459 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I saw a hedgehog snuffling around in the back garden / parking lot of the place we were renting before a couple of times.
< 1622226943 441595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat ../junk/cat
< 1622226944 165657 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: ../junk/cat: No such file or directory
< 1622226950 813201 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat ../junk
< 1622226951 592796 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: ../junk: No such file or directory
< 1622226956 440007 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, whatever.
< 1622226960 438510 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`doag ../junk/cat
< 1622226963 757897 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :7906:2016-05-07 <oerjän> ` mv junk/cat emoticons \ 7886:2016-05-06 <shachäf> ` mv cat junk
< 1622226981 166109 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`doag ../emoticons
< 1622226983 43760 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :10388:2017-03-10 <oerjän> mk emoticons/window//1+1 \ 10104:2017-01-07 <tsweẗt> echo \'\xc2\xaf\\_(\xe3\x83\x84)_/\xc2\xaf\' > emoticons/shrug2 \ 7906:2016-05-07 <oerjän> ` mv junk/cat emoticons \ 7905:2016-05-07 <oerjän> ` mv junk/:-D emoticons \ 5738:2015-06-25 <tsweẗt> echo \'\xe3\x83\xbc\xe3\x83\xbc\xe8\x9f\xb2\xe8\x9f\xb2\' > emoticons/swatter \ 5708:2015-06-24 <oren̈_> ` echo \xe5\x87\xb8 >emoticons/flipbird \ 5707:2015-06-24 <oren̈_> ` ec
< 1622226990 653398 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat ../emoticons/cat
< 1622226991 364181 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meow~~  >^.^<
< 1622226994 396364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see.
< 1622227006 613454 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some turbulent history there...
< 1622227016 801939 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat ../canary
< 1622227017 605721 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why are you taking Polly down into the mine? Polly's a parrot, not a canary! And where's my cracker?
< 1622227018 66210 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually Ёж is the word kids are taught when they learn the alphabet
< 1622227029 233177 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was expecting something about cats in the canary.
< 1622227053 770798 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://static.my-shop.ru/product/3/268/2679778.jpg
< 1622227080 560044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I did learn it as a foreign language. But yeah, not sure why we learned the diminuative (that is what it is, right?).
< 1622227125 374161 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also forgot most of it... but some small details still stick around.
< 1622227132 472235 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: To be fair, they're generally pretty small.
< 1622227135 603724 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also fir (Ёлка) sometimes as you can see https://www.sunnytoy.ru/i/product_i/649_4_b.jpg
< 1622227163 93941 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e yeah, the base form is еж
< 1622227166 372605 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I know. I actually see one on occasion when going for a walk at night around here.
< 1622227186 464401 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like... when you are kid you are suppose to speak in kinds words to everything around you and use the word ежик
< 1622227206 230195 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like киса instead of кошка for a female cat
< 1622227218 859062 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or котик instead of кот for male
< 1622227247 600803 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, "kissa" is the standard Finnish word for an adult cat of any gender.
< 1622227265 20669 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh
< 1622227276 131511 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :we say kis-kis to call a cat
< 1622227279 725982 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you?
< 1622227289 281378 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah.
< 1622227306 407457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :kis-kis good-bye
< 1622227315 46928 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm told "kissa" was my first word.
< 1622227339 532419 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`rot13 kissa
< 1622227340 499053 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :xvffn
< 1622227341 487756 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though it was probably a stretch to interpret it that way.
< 1622227398 729635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, funny, I can't think of a phrase like "come here, kitty-kitty" in german.
< 1622227423 628923 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, are "kissa" and "kitty" cognates?
< 1622227426 282723 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably not, right?
< 1622227446 672889 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why not
< 1622227471 380011 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cybernetics and governor are cognate
< 1622227490 573927 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1622227510 382726 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.etymonline.com/word/kitty relates kitty to Catherine
< 1622227511 670731 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Spot of the cybernetics, governor?
< 1622227516 468494 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw
< 1622227581 913026 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know why, but there's something I find really amusing about Wiktionary's laconic image subtitles. Like the one at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kitten 
< 1622227593 330458 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, it makes sense, it's just there to illustrate the word.
< 1622227612 449599 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But still. At least it doesn't have a "Fig. 1" in front.
> 1622227620 45004 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Anticubex 5*  10New user account
< 1622227642 988812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: what did you expect? "A kitten held hostage"? :-P
< 1622227656 489533 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, that kitten is so cute.
< 1622227659 394877 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :As all kittens are.
< 1622227680 187452 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: comes with the medium. in a paper dictionary most of the illustrations will have multiple things labelled in it to illustrate multiple words, and there are fewer illustrations in first place
< 1622227706 906299 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I happened by the university library once, and on the table where they have new issues of journals, they had a maths journal of some kind, where somewhere pretty early on (inside front cover?) there was a fascinating picture of some kind of a graph, subtitled with: "Fig. 1: A fascinating picture."
< 1622227708 949768 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? drone
< 1622227710 256465 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times.
< 1622227770 170057 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: heh. did you read the paper though? ;-)
< 1622227804 845654 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :кот кошка (rus) кiт кiшка (ukr), then the wiktionary says that in Czhe and Pol it's the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Sorbian_language and is "kot" that is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgar_Latin " cattus "
> 1622227863 856275 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83556&oldid=83554 5* 03Anticubex 5* (+155) 10/* Introductions */
< 1622227940 603391 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I think I skimmed it, but no recollection. Also, I tried to search for that subtitle now, but aside from a few cases of "-- when blah blah (Fig. 1), a fascinating picture emerges --", the only hits were: https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2019-03-07.html#lEb -- https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2013-01-23.html#lFj -- https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2008-11-03.html#lvb
< 1622227943 861695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect the proprer way to attract a cat here is something like "na du?" which is close to the friendly version of "hey there!", perhaps. Nothing specific to cats comes to my mind. "Katze" is not very friendly sounding because of the tz.
> 1622227958 274447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dominicentek 5*  10New user account
< 1622227963 349058 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So this has been the fourth time I've mentioned it on-channel, and I'm never going to get any closer to actually finding what it was about.
< 1622228011 225857 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it says that it's wrong to assume it's  from goth "katts" greek "κάττα" and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German "katt" while from the vulgar latin it came to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Slavic_language as "*kotъ"
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< 1622228488 676147 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so since wikipedia says the name Katherine is from "Greek adjective καθαρός (katharos), meaning "pure"" then if "katharos" is the same as "κάττα" (and idk, have no clue in greek) then either there is something wrong or there is a connection between "greek" and "vulgar latin" that is missing in these articles
< 1622228511 414774 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CE%AC%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B1 : Etymology Unknown but clearly related to Latin cattus (“cat”).
< 1622228664 571206 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, but ru wiktionary says "it can't be from green katta because there it is known only since VI"... I'm lost ..D
< 1622228724 288772 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it means it was in latin and from there went to other languages separately
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< 1622228833 725564 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"green"
< 1622228849 401206 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :*shrug*
< 1622228880 632123 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do all those come from an Egyptian word in first place?
< 1622229012 232542 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but again in https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cattus#Latin it's  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic_language "*käďwä (“female (of a fur animal)”) -- here I'm already not sure about the "w" letter and it links to some hungary website that I don't understand at all http://uralonet.nytud.hu/eintrag.cgi?locale=en_GB&id_eintrag=222
< 1622229075 656703 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas didn't hear any evidence of egyptians move to Ural ..D
< 1622229335 59035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic_homeland
< 1622229389 994345 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: no, I mean borrowed through ancient greek to other languages
< 1622229408 993957 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: like ancient romans mets cats in Egypt, and perhaps took their name from them
< 1622229561 127620 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this states 3000 BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_in_ancient_Egypt
< 1622229615 712311 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this 7000-2000 BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic_language
< 1622229654 466992 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Man, can you believe people have liked cats for thousands of years?
< 1622229657 551601 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we can't know when did the word appear because they probably didn't write much
< 1622229683 740725 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cats have just been around, doing their various cat things, and humans have been around having various human experiences like liking cats.
< 1622229805 916902 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the point maybe was, before you had domesticated cats, maybe you didn't particularly need a word like "cat" (as opposed to whatever potential other words you had for wild members of the same family of species), and I think it's generally accepted cats were first domesticated in Egypt, so you could still have gotten the idea + a loanword from there, even if you had a language of your own 
< 1622229811 919934 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :beforehand.
< 1622229813 284555 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not getting involved in tracing the words, though; it's too much not an exact science.)
< 1622229864 29207 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: Do you think people will go on liking cats for more thousands of years, though? Probably. Maybe.
< 1622229898 269627 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, certainly if there are people and there are cats.
< 1622230032 204520 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw those articles don't really say if the word "kat" was about domesticated cats or just any
< 1622230125 540880 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_domesticated_cat says:  "... the earlier origin to Southwest Asia"
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< 1622230281 660004 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: some people predict no, because cats won't be as friendly as today, because they're selectively breeded against because cat owners neuter their cats but don't touch wild cats, so the thousand year long work of domesticating housecats will quickly get mostly undone
< 1622230375 91570 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf look at this guy https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Felis_silvestris_silvestris.jpg
< 1622230399 211608 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :take "friendly" in a relative way restricted to how it applies to cat obviously
< 1622230497 591999 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, perhaps we'll have robot cats instead
< 1622231028 59516 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's that game about robots that have real cats.
< 1622231058 938052 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've left the tab open for who knows how long, because that's the only way I know of to manage "take a look at this thing at some point" URLs.
< 1622231151 33924 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's why the "main" browser window has 93 tabs and you can only barely see the favicons.
< 1622231206 761425 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/game/planned game/
< 1622231262 37133 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( sudo reboot )
< 1622231367 861309 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've told this story before too, but I knew someone who was doing the same in Firefox, except that they never clicked the "restore tabs" button, instead leaving them "in" the restore dialog tab, nested more and more deeply every time they had to restart the browser.
< 1622231392 669730 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Turns out if you do that, it takes O(2^n) space in your Firefox profile.
< 1622231430 70799 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de NICK :can
< 1622231437 191388 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because it's all JSON, and the "nesting" involves putting all the serialized JSON into a string, so you go " -> \" -> \\\" -> \\\\\\\" -> ...
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< 1622231543 919308 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh cats here
< 1622231614 334248 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: hehehe
< 1622231642 482440 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I have heard of people who have thousands of tabs open in their browser, though that's probably more common in Chrome than in Firefox
< 1622231680 993109 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. I just declare a tabocalypse every now and then to reset.
< 1622231699 866076 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe "tab amnesty" is a better word.
< 1622231700 874924 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :was it mentioned that etymology of кошка isn’t quite known? Bulgarian котка is more faithful to the hypothesized rules. Hm though now it seems to say that’s alright making an example of Марья > Машка. So I remember something wrong, then
< 1622231701 737109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ow.
< 1622231800 267009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Funny, this may be the first real-life example of unbounded nesting of string quoting that I've come across.
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< 1622231819 566132 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I usually only have between two and twenty tabs open, and I don't think I've ever gone above fifty
< 1622231898 719227 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do often have multiple windows though, up to I think five in the worst case, when watching a video or when typing or proofreading something in one window that I read from another
< 1622231950 701626 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or more generally, to have a page shown in an unusual window size, which is the common reason for videos too
< 1622231976 692734 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like text pages in a narrower window than widescreen video
< 1622232011 729773 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and twitch in a wider window than youtube because twitch uses part of the horizontal screen estate for chat
< 1622232123 897318 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<int-e> IIRC ё is usually written as е anyway. => yeah I secretly envy Spanish obligatory accents and this. Optionality of dots in ё is even codified; one more reason to not follow the literary norm
< 1622232213 655501 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<nakilon> Ешик sounds like some jew name => for me it sounds Bashkir/Tatar as I live nearby
< 1622232338 977190 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<int-e> nakilon: I did learn it as a foreign language. But yeah, not sure why we learned the diminuative (that is what it is, right?). => for me personally it seems people rarely say ёж the non-diminutive, maybe that’s my city-dwelling distortion though
< 1622232393 387417 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :tabocalypse -- this damn thing happens on it own after you collect tabs for two years
< 1622232426 965369 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes no knowledge about chrome internals can help -- it's just gone
< 1622232467 474508 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that's another reason why it's not a great practice for reference management.
< 1622232497 687343 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<fizzie> Heh, "kissa" is the standard Finnish word for an adult cat of any gender. => oh! that’s perfect!! I wish I could say now I’m going to learn Finnish but I won’t, more languages are a serious commitment
< 1622232505 75300 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: Our diacritics are critical too; there's a lot of pairs where both are valid, with entirely unrelated meanings. saari/sääri -> leg/island, hella/hellä -> stove/tender.
< 1622232521 525578 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv they would say еж on TV in news reports
< 1622232621 571685 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :diacritics... we just write both words in the same way and call it omonym, expecting from you to guess from the context
< 1622232630 992351 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yeah, Hungarian has much fewer of those, especially when the words are in context in a sentence. the few remaining ones are noun or verb grammatical infections where a/e vs á/é makes a difference. when I type Hungarian without diacritics on IRC or skype or email, I often still use diacritics for a few words where it would cause confusion.
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< 1622232663 106482 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: yeah they are cute and small
< 1622232904 58666 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I was doing something like you to look at something later (indefinitely later, eventually) but then I started trying to collect that kind of links in bookmarks, adding some tags in hope I’ll find something useful later, like dogs with bones
< 1622233011 988082 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes even placed by folders, though they are for more immediate attention
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> 1622234784 730200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:2000gmod14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83566 5* 032000gmod 5* (+82) 10Created page with "I'm 2000gmod, engineering student from Chile. Currently creating my first esolang."
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< 1622235827 763145 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :by restricting the color space (here 4 bits per channel) you can do exhaustive search on each row rather than random https://ibin.co/63QdSeBPFrmG.png
< 1622235904 931198 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :for each row we loop through all 4096 colors and pick the one that maximizes the minimum distance to any color already picked
< 1622236060 89433 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can you then do a second higher-resolution search in the neighbourhood? If so, will the only benefit of that be that your hex values will look more precise, increasing the believability of the statement that a highly paid brand doctor chose these specific colour values?
< 1622236158 882053 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes and yes, i think
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< 1622236290 66529 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should note that CSS already has a syntax for 12-bit colors but it works slightly differently
< 1622236298 267304 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the values are spaced by 0x11 rather than 0x10
< 1622236309 284302 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so #000 = #000000, #888 = #888888, #fff = #ffffff
< 1622236373 557546 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan by doing the exhaustive search you are probably doing worse, because it's less similar to doing the golden ratio
< 1622236433 416403 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would rather iterate until I estimate the maximal available distance and then chose it divided by some constant that is kind of golden ratio but in 3d and might be found empirically somehow by a lot of tries and measuring the quality of result
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< 1622237182 320683 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :meh https://i.imgur.com/HWHgK3a.png can't figure out neither how to set square shaped buttons, nor font size, not how to catch keypress events... so this was my first ruby+tk try but at least it didn't segfault
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< 1622237323 376190 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :another alternative is Opal and there it is possible to style with CSS but idk about events
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< 1622237606 967999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: is that iOS? I bet they have a rule against anything with right-angled corners :P
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< 1622237729 439075 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually no, Opal sucks since " is for creating documents not interactive applications." so the SWT remains but it's jRuby that is all buggy and old
< 1622237741 85619 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e macOS
< 1622237757 273805 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, of course
< 1622237762 375284 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :same comment though :P
< 1622237768 806908 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I meant setting the size of the buttons -- I can set width but the "height" throws an error, lol
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< 1622237912 441236 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, I actually scared up a hedgehog (poor thing) 20 minutes ago
< 1622237939 572209 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :quite the conicidence, these encounters are rare for me, maybe 3 times a year.
< 1622237961 643538 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs ::O
< 1622237964 734671 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :where did you find it
< 1622237977 111079 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :walking outside, passing by a graveyard
< 1622237987 991725 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :poetic
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< 1622238177 792783 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are predators
< 1622238228 940995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're nocturnal but predators? hardly.
< 1622238292 607368 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's night, they are hunting for such as you but smaller
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< 1622240101 896576 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is properly the definition of "a Funge"?
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> 1622240471 694053 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 032000gmod 5*  10moved [[02BrainfOOP10]] to [[Brainfoop]]: Better name
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< 1622240575 91897 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The wiki has a page on that, though it's just someone's opinion: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fungeoid
< 1622240594 65788 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I kind of agree that the key differentiator is that there should be some sort of an instruction pointer that has some kind of notion of direction of movement, and some kind of space in which to move, and the space should be some kind of a geometrical one instead of a purely abstract one (like a graph).
< 1622240603 806107 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's probably a better way of putting that.
> 1622240817 438106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83575&oldid=83558 5* 03TheoCGaming 5* (+229) 10/* Introductions */ just my introduction
> 1622240845 501975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Entropy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83576&oldid=75202 5* 03TheoCGaming 5* (+2874) 10Added a new program section for a FizzBuzz program, originally created by Truttle1, also added a link to his video.
< 1622240949 549752 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"so the SWT remains but it's jRuby that is all buggy and old"  -- meh, jruby just does not install ..\
< 1622240983 321208 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :While I'm fiddling with these things, here's a piece of evidence showing that 2011 is probably when peak #esoteric was reached: https://0x0.st/-2uJ.txt
> 1622241293 462425 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Entropy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83577&oldid=83576 5* 03TheoCGaming 5* (+82) 10/* FizzBuzz */ tried to clean up my edit
> 1622241460 597756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Entropy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83578&oldid=83577 5* 03TheoCGaming 5* (+12) 10/* FizzBuzz */ cleaning it up further...
> 1622242164 354591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DeBruijn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83579&oldid=83553 5* 03S1(210) 5* (-20) 10/* Heading text */
< 1622242520 567570 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: The person with the melodica said Yamaha's Pianicas are in general good yet affordable. And linked to https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/winds/pianica/index.html
< 1622242538 688812 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: (Paraphrasing/translating) "the yellow p-25f is a bit too small, but even the p-32d probably doesn't need much upgrading". Says he plays "almost exclusively" those, last time just an hour ago.
< 1622242552 101203 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not qualified to comment on the quality of the advice, YMMV.
> 1622242745 359470 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfoop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83580&oldid=83574 5* 032000gmod 5* (-5) 10
< 1622244442 32462 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: thank you both!
< 1622244507 375594 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even though that’s a personal taste advice, it’s useful to me
< 1622244748 175378 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I'm tempted to work melodicas in the topic somehow.
> 1622244922 297518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DeBruijn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83581&oldid=83579 5* 03S1(210) 5* (-921) 10/* Specification */
> 1622244953 521014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DeBruijn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83582&oldid=83581 5* 03S1(210) 5* (-1) 10/* Overview */
< 1622245238 348684 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: … liberated melodica of esoteric …?
< 1622245339 480952 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: do ##math usually see the lambdabot of day?
< 1622245359 844647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, ##math has no bots
< 1622245374 731911 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you know the saying "if brute force doesn't work, you're not using enough of it"? what is the analogous saying about solving problems by throwing more money at them?
< 1622245692 683069 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so SWT empty window app starts in 7 seconds
< 1622245702 879176 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it's after their blog post "Halved Startup Time"
< 1622245732 385484 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"that's all you should know about Java"
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< 1622246367 106788 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: A channel with no bots? Is that even legal.