> 1623456378 920799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A returns a14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84360&oldid=84300 5* 03Jetison333 5* (+0) 10/* Code examples */ < 1623457190 659242 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1623458041 111769 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1623460571 633661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : Corbin: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic says "Blackbird" <-- after a little wikiwalk inspired by wikipedia's featured picture, turns out those are not actually corvids < 1623460723 388951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(neither the european nor american version) < 1623460811 116893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*old world nor new world < 1623461014 260304 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Zoology is wack, huh? And bluejays are corvids despite looking like passerines. TIL, thanks. < 1623461266 476009 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :corvids are a subset of passerines, aren't they? < 1623461282 601351 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae "Order: Passeriformes" < 1623461340 968821 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like jays < 1623461360 85877 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :we don't have blue jays here but we have scrub jays and Steller's jays < 1623461363 201695 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steller's_jay < 1623461379 302650 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :very striking appearance < 1623461398 311417 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh heck, so you need to know both ornithology and bird sociology to tell whether there's a combinatorial bird that's also a corvid < 1623461432 701273 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or more likely, solve some kind of puzzle where the forest's keeper tells you about rules that somehow involve corvids and bird application, Smullyan style < 1623461519 336139 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"After observing this forest for twenty years, I have discovered three interesting rules. (1) For every corvid A, there is a bird B such that BA is not a corvid. [...] < 1623461602 947963 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`I have pondered your observations all night, and have discovered a striking fact. None of the birds in this forest are corvids.' [...] `Curious. I've been observing this forest for 20 years and never realized that.'" < 1623461604 652524 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I? No such file or directory < 1623461631 569526 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The actual punchline in the book that none of the birds ever sing in the forest is much better than the one with corvids, I admit.) < 1623461874 969457 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: Oh, interesting, TIL again. I thought "passerine" was just how zoologists say "songbird". The most common corvids here are crows, and they don't exactly ♩ sing ♪ < 1623461882 495538 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or perhaps it would be something like "From these three rules, detective Craig could derive the following properities. 1. All bluebirds are corvids. 2. None of the kestrels in this forest are corvids. Can you also prove those properties?" < 1623461974 740290 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the most common songbirds here are common blackbirds < 1623462001 787059 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but maybe they're just the most obviously recognizable, with their yellow beak but otherwise black body, while some of the other corvids are all black and hard to distinguish from each other < 1623462031 327689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :crows might be more common < 1623462206 802679 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :crows are very common here < 1623462212 212022 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :almost as common as pigeons < 1623462989 12503 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's sparrows that are common here, the little greedy guys < 1623462992 876593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :crows are more common than pigeons here < 1623463028 83821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although they compete with seagulls, depending on time of year < 1623463040 421472 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think pigeons are more common than crows, though there also seem to be less pigeons than there used to be. maybe the generation of old city folks who fed pigeons have aged out? < 1623463076 698542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are probably more pigeons in the city center (or at least used to be) < 1623463082 777508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this is a suburb < 1623463153 558816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps. there are pigeons right on our roof, and so are there on the roof over my parent's home, but yes, probably more common in the city center < 1623463255 707646 :ircseeker!~ircseeker@185.240.244.156 JOIN #esolangs ircseeker :ircseeker < 1623463520 826652 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think that deliberately given food is probably not a huge fraction of their diet but that a lot of it is trash that will be more widely available in the city center < 1623463543 820427 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :we also have seagulls (being by the sea and all) < 1623463546 257253 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and they love trash too < 1623463557 914035 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :they like to hang out at the parking lot of a burger place i go to < 1623464291 865963 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1623464418 587994 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 JOIN #esolangs user3456 :user3456 < 1623464809 471825 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure < 1623465045 220365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1623468621 890323 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1623468625 178934 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1623468698 718942 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1623473229 184244 :ircseeker!~ircseeker@185.240.244.156 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1623474560 687179 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1623475188 956119 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1623475236 399526 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@user/sprock NICK :sprock < 1623476769 185471 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1623477588 522980 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: So I was thinking about how to actually to meet-in-the-middle attacks with the lambda algorithm and it's not clear to me how to do it. < 1623478060 910603 :t3hyoshi!~t3hyoshi@node-ov.118-174.static.totisp.net JOIN #esolangs * :t3hyoshi < 1623478061 55632 :t3hyoshi!~t3hyoshi@node-ov.118-174.static.totisp.net QUIT :K-Lined < 1623478070 527027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I don't know. It /says/ it's a meet in the middle attack but it actually computes a collision between two distinct hash-like functions, somehow relying on the second half of the process to be invertible. I imagine you have a double DES, E_k1(E_k2(X)) = Y for 128 bit known plaintext X and ciphertext Y, and you rewrite that as D_k1(Y) = E_k2(X) and then treat k1 and k2 as parameters < 1623478093 457281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then... do something with that < 1623478116 465766 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But what? < 1623478117 757335 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to get an ~2^64 operations attack. Or 2^56 with some extra care. < 1623478147 225045 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are lots of collisions if you just look for any pair of keys that collide in the middle for a single plaintetxt-ciphertext pair. < 1623478191 670783 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you probably want two pairs, and then maybe to encrypt/decrypt both texts, so f,g : 2^56 -> 2^128 or something. < 1623478216 92646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I wrote "128 bits" for a reason < 1623478241 434024 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, I'm not disagreeing with you, just writing things out. < 1623478254 142622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can do some hashing on the 128 bit values to get f,g : 2^128 -> 2^128 < 1623478273 33881 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it feels weird... I'm not sure whether it works < 1623478280 696138 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But do you want that? < 1623478291 378626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what I want. < 1623478296 884362 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It seems odd because if you construct h out of f and g, you're not just exploring a huge space with lots of collisions. < 1623478318 353025 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You want to explore approximately the entire domain of h, or something? < 1623478334 633578 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have not really worked out that meet-in-the-middle attack part of the paper. I pointed it out because it actually *does* is find a collision between two distinct functions. < 1623478373 639287 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And for that purpose, it does work. < 1623478413 20162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I mostly ignored the meet-in-the-middle angle. I can't say whether it works, but it does strike me as a bit odd. < 1623478438 695053 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fair enough. < 1623478607 282915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, the problem with "you can do some hashing on the 128 bit values" is that the effective codomain is still just of size 2^56 < 1623478676 247561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I've been answering you wrong, I think. What I should have written is that I think that's a good question, that I haven't worked it out and that I also have some doubts about whether this works, but I have not read the text carefully enough to figure it out for sure. < 1623478698 396698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was no need to get defensive or aggressive about it. < 1623478703 923199 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, I was just vaguely thinking about it out loud or something at this point. < 1623478736 420247 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I certainly didn't meet to accuse you of saying something wrong, I thought it was interesting when you said it and I didn't really think about it until today. < 1623478959 884217 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1623479342 457348 :SiFuh3!~SiFuh@88.160.52.91 JOIN #esolangs * :SiFuh < 1623479342 547226 :SiFuh3!~SiFuh@88.160.52.91 PRIVMSG #esolangs :⧸!⧹ ΤΗIЅ ⲤНΑⲚNEL ᎻAS MОVEᎠ ΤO IRC.ᏞIᗷΕRA.CᎻΑΤ #HΑМᎡΑᗪІО ᜵ⵑ⧵ < 1623479343 358899 :SiFuh3!~SiFuh@88.160.52.91 PRIVMSG #esolangs :᜵!＼ ΤHE ЈΕWᏚ HΑVΕ ΤAⲔЕN ⲞVEᎡ ᖴREЕΝODΕ‚ СዘATᏚ HAVЕ MOⅤED TΟ IRⅭ․LІBЕᎡΑ.CHАΤ /﹗＼ < 1623479344 115960 :SiFuh3!~SiFuh@88.160.52.91 QUIT :K-Lined < 1623479421 52384 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't get why those bots even spam in libera about switching to libera < 1623479606 316923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: looking more closely, it searches for collisions for a single block, then validates them on a second block, and the main benefits are better tradeoff of memory for performance and better parallelization, both thanks to the distinguished points method. < 1623479840 855318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: it's worse noting that the basic work factor in (9) is 2^84 = 2^28 * 2^56, scaling down by sqrt(w) for a table of size w, so it becomes 2^56 when we get a table entry per key < 1623479900 958479 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, there's quite a lot going on there on top of the collision search < 1623480013 124140 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a big part is randomizing the auxiliary functions that you have collide so that you get /different/ collisions to work with, each with a chance of being the key you're looking for < 1623480931 325513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh what fun... https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/04/google_chip_flaws/ < 1623482129 70021 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1623482893 190407 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :And, why are some of the letters mixed up on thise spam messages? < 1623482936 494462 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I looked at it and it looked tricky. < 1623482956 753173 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: to thwart spam filter, obviously < 1623482983 991084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :worse noting, I really make th wortht typos < 1623483032 747189 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I suppose so, but a spam filter could be made to look for such mixed up letters instead. (A long time ago I had seen spam messages with too many spaces at the end of the subject line, so I used that as a filter criteria; sometimes it is base64 encoded or whatever, so I used that asa filter criteria; etc) < 1623483195 616351 :warlock!~warlock@c-73-224-231-78.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1623483671 10988 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1623485471 172560 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1623485689 831490 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re why spam about it here, I don't know how plausible it is, but it *could* be an attempt to get bridge bots get killed on the other side. < 1623485875 572564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems too elaborate < 1623485894 149966 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1623487092 866363 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :09:30:21 i don't get why those bots even spam in libera about switching to libera < 1623487121 574063 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the whole point was just to call people jews, koreans, etc., not switching the network for any profit < 1623487132 753683 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people will start realising it maybe in few years < 1623487143 229290 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :some things are too hard to understand for majority < 1623487199 117704 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only "reason" switching from freenode was these same spambots who were telling you to do it and you just followed their orders, lol < 1623487555 743161 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine the TPUs can have miscalculations happen every second and no one will spot it behind the "NN magick" < 1623487617 684796 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole point of "computers being reliable" has devaluated thanks to NN hype marketing < 1623487690 565252 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :today people with no math/engineering skills design, approve and even implement most of the software < 1623487759 194195 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i switched way before the spambots started < 1623487880 850945 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :same < 1623487949 978540 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i suspect those bots to be somehow paid by freenode to fud on libera < 1623488032 87455 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :spambots started before, they just looked different, were not automated < 1623488046 551403 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they were human beings < 1623488054 666896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can easily be just a third party who revels in drama... the spam resembles the supernets spam so much < 1623488083 113999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And there's really no need to accuse Andrew+crew of things that can't be proven < 1623488097 33874 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair enough < 1623488116 615691 :craigo!~craigo@180-150-37-63.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1623488142 407798 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people didn't need anything to be proven to switch from freenode though < 1623488198 892428 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was asking like two times what are the evidence that something bad is happening and all you had was a wikipedia link to some website where guy is called a prince and it's somehow bad or something < 1623488221 63256 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was a hostile takeover, that's reason enough < 1623488242 530382 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, people say these two words "hostile takeover" with no sense put in it < 1623488251 434545 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't even matter if there were legal threats or not, it doesn't matter what the intentions from whoever are < 1623488293 910357 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, even if it was not a hostile takeover, i still follow the staff, not the name of the network < 1623488311 282705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Andrew's first blog post by itself would've convinced me to leave. < 1623488315 817365 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if the staff saw a reason to leave, so do i < 1623488357 871887 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so stuff are in fact your masters? maybe that's how the "takeover" looks like? they move you from one place to another as they wish < 1623488386 112283 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"masters"? They're good hosts. < 1623488395 239139 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is your reason to choose a network if not the people who operate it? < 1623488398 701074 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how isn't Andrew a good host? < 1623488447 414572 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the operators are what define the network, not the name of it < 1623488450 621537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Going with the restaurant analogy, he's been serving burned food and yelling at the customers from day one. < 1623488475 149089 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea who operates networks and this neither has or have to have any nifluence on my choice < 1623488494 554939 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my socket connection and ability to talk and run bots works fine on any network < 1623488523 121558 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :too bad for you, then < 1623488550 728402 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how is it bad to be independent and not a pawn being moved elsewhere because of someon else's personal dramas lol < 1623488557 478182 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still on freenode < 1623488595 886600 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: so you're largely unaffected by the move and complaining about it because you think that just because you don't care about Andrew's antics, nobody else should care either? < 1623488599 795877 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e I didn't have any burned food < 1623488609 677716 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm not a pawn being moved. i know staffers personally and i trust them. i have yet to find any positive fact about andrew < 1623488683 936422 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :neither of you did have a burned food < 1623488690 542714 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was just their personal drama < 1623488705 125354 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :some internal job communication problems < 1623488707 510214 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :What? I saw #haskell being taken over. < 1623488795 812489 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean by "#haskell taking over"? something like with gentoo? the bug in a script with the following apologizing from Andrew's side and purposeful hiding this by gentoo's admins to manipulate their pawns who are happy to be like that? < 1623488932 987567 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's less "taken over by a prince and that's bad" and more "taken over by a businessman running it as some sort of startup, apparently with several reports of harassment against them, opering up known abusers", at least from my POV < 1623488936 992891 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so either he straight up lies or has no clue on how to run a network in a robust way. great start so far. i also like how you always point out that others believe everything and at the same time are totally fine with him claiming it was an accident that should never ever happen outside of test servers or channels < 1623488946 196227 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or another picture I see here is like starting shitting on the walls. drawing words "ACAB" with a shit, until cops come to stop you and you say "see?! they are arresting me -- that's why I was right shitting on the walls and no one will check the chronology, pawns" < 1623488965 326485 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :but either way, it doesn't really matter particularly, people are presumably free to choose where they want their communities *shrug* < 1623489048 193256 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"lies or has no clue on how to run a network in a robust way" -- what would you expect when half of staff have left? maybe it was even one of their sabotage scripts, saying "hey dude, run this" < 1623489058 760929 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :sigh... < 1623489092 292811 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, i also always run unchecked code from people that just left me < 1623489132 444639 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if "half" of staff left, i expect him to either not run untested scripts or just test them locally < 1623489144 427929 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe that sctipr author left on the next day < 1623489163 690975 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i cannot trust him maintaining a reliable network either way < 1623489172 754118 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :all you know is that it was ran and there were apologizings but you don't mentions the latter because that's not the goal of drama < 1623489187 123004 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION yawns < 1623489222 856965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://nitter.fdn.fr/kurtseifried/status/1398712468394811395#m < 1623489231 265153 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, the apology doesn't matter. if he doesn't know what it does, he should never have run it in the first place. if he did know it, the apology is useless < 1623489232 807541 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think the problem is the script or apologise per se, moreso than the sudden changes in what has previously been perfectly fine for at least two decades on freenode.. < 1623489259 68269 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole thing like "can't mention another network in topics because that's advertisement" is... pretty foreign < 1623489262 778912 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for instance) < 1623489273 329724 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, people self inflicted the network damage < 1623489302 473802 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what, don't you love censorship in your free network? < 1623489316 117452 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"he should never have run it in the first place" -- he was the one who tried to fix things unlike others < 1623489330 688561 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what things? what was wrong? < 1623489387 473559 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how spamming the libera network name in topic better than spamming hamradio channel name? < 1623489442 995686 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think "this community has moved to X" is uh, not exactly spamming < 1623489455 238297 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you call stopping you from shitting the walls a censorship? < 1623489466 872382 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :just, like, a friendly PSA to the community in question, if they've decided to move.. be it to libera, or discord, or matrix or whatever < 1623489490 458989 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, at first you didn't know what bots were and now you don't know what spamming is. if channel owners want to include something in their topic, it's their choice. unless it violates law, a network must not forbid me to put whatever i want in there < 1623489541 43852 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if i spray something on the inside of my wall and get arrested for it, i indeed do call it censorship < 1623489574 411880 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i can do whatever i want in my house < 1623489583 370966 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the network mentions in topic was not a choice -- it was a result of a spam and person-based hate flame effect on channels owners < 1623489587 687594 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they were bad ops < 1623489626 890763 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, all ops of the hundreds of channels were bad because they decided to inform their respective community about a change < 1623489629 471860 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i see < 1623489656 360664 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wasn't only on your inside walls, the whole apartment was smelling with this < 1623489667 887589 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how so? < 1623489669 7615 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people were smelling shit in all the channels < 1623489680 789251 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead of being on topic < 1623489688 331137 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, because each house owner decided to paint something on their walls < 1623489691 623345 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still fine < 1623489716 7626 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is nothing that should ever be changed by a network owner < 1623489813 216817 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's exactly what landlords should do -- stop the hype of shitting the walls no matter if they are inside or outside because the whole building started smelling < 1623489833 29150 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can probably argue whether or not the choice to switch networks was reasonable. but _if_ i decide to move a community as an op, i should be allowed to put that information in a topic. < 1623489856 374688 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i highly doubt landlords can do anything to you if you spray the inside of your house < 1623489858 987249 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, it's not even the correct analogy -- channels are not personal flats but a common areas like cafes or cinemas < 1623489865 990908 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least where i live, they cannot do shit about it < 1623489894 825049 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a fundamental right that i can do whatever i want in my house < 1623489903 608040 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it was a shopping center and cafe owners started serving shit > 1623489941 434329 PRIVMSG #esolangs : well you can't farm drugs in your house > 1623489943 451443 PRIVMSG #esolangs : or kill someone < 1623489944 393877 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if other people don't get affected by it, sure thing < 1623489966 272105 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, i did mention earlier that you cannot break the law < 1623490004 717606 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole "stinking" argument is nonsens. if i spray my wall, you will not be able to smell that on the outside after like a few days max < 1623490009 905060 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :everyone was affected; people hated this shit so much that agreed to switch just in hope that they'll stop smell what cafe owners did < 1623490064 219155 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :channel topics are the outer side of your door anyway even if ti's a personal flat < 1623490073 610590 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people are passing by every day < 1623490093 328988 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are rules on what you can do with your door for sure -- you can't shit it < 1623490100 770903 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are channel topics the outer side? < 1623490185 329314 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are in /list and /chanserv info and on the websites that track the channel topics > 1623490196 911756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FolderCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84361&oldid=84322 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-41) 10 < 1623490213 251144 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it's the same as your balcony and there are rules too about what you can place on your balcony < 1623490219 940217 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you know why that is? so people can see relevant information. like changes in the community and stuff < 1623490239 643862 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah nazism was revelant change in 30s < 1623490255 685005 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, you can go that route, but that is a reason against freenode. i want to be in a network where i can put whatever legal stuff i want to in topics < 1623490261 87566 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so Italy could learn it too < 1623490263 244752 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then Argentina < 1623490266 882539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law < 1623490300 140101 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that comparison is bullshit < 1623490313 902629 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in most places, it's highly illegal to do that < 1623490325 722059 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahah, you won't be able to put the other network name all over the place if that would be caused by that some guy from these team is a prince of some Evil Axis country or something < 1623490331 838940 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is however not illegal to name a website that is totally legal < 1623490365 19559 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure i will < 1623490380 858527 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e there should be some law ahout probability that mentioning the logic, ANd and OR would be too < 1623490398 394419 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's called a learning on mistakes < 1623490412 33642 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1623490437 968508 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing is that you again ignore the chronology < 1623490461 526748 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, you are comparing a legit network by trusted people with some grey area, which is still bullshit < 1623490475 183437 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the freenode drama started with Andrew's nationality in the first place < 1623490490 168837 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what? i don't even know andrew's nationality < 1623490493 699677 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i don't care < 1623490498 356745 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: You really don't get to question other people's personal decisions. We have reasons, you think they're invalid reasons, we get it. Move on, let it rest. < 1623490498 747210 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahaha, sure < 1623490530 595890 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how should i know? it was never mentioned by any of the staffers letters afair < 1623490550 77931 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :his surname is such a secret < 1623490560 395731 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this pretending is too blatant < 1623490587 540422 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, now i pretend because i say i don't care about the nationality of somebody? < 1623490617 985904 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe i read his surname, not sure, i never bothered to remember. i wouldn't even know his first name if you didn't mention it < 1623490683 430172 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, so he is called lee. so what? < 1623491315 730974 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1623493002 566429 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1623493034 25089 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :mooooony > 1623493391 463373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Column14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84362 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+2637) 10Created page with "Column is an esoretic programming language developed by Dominicentek. 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ZZZzzz… < 1623505536 315664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" worse noting, I really make th wortht typos" => you managed to type "thwart" correctly < 1623505608 967073 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1623506048 86943 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1623506109 439987 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, let's do it right this time, rather than just return from a family break to see the drama played out < 1623506191 11328 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :dear esolangs community, if this channel or the network collapses somehow, even twelve years from now, we will meet on the wiki and on the oftc IRC server channel #esolangs , using whichever works as a lifeboat to decide where to go. < 1623507549 950205 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1623507591 152252 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1623507595 220575 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1623507642 444975 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 JOIN #esolangs user3456 :user3456 < 1623507648 752686 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1623507661 753421 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? > 1623509952 984273 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84367&oldid=84359 5* 03ResU 5* (+121) 10added self-interpreter < 1623511660 232860 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :That one scene from "Shawshank Redemption" where he's trying to remember how to spell "Zihuatanejo" so he can meet up with his friend~ > 1623511732 774730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Plasmath 5* 10New user account < 1623512143 251626 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/8PFnh0P.png -- how do I decide that the 1st of 3 peaks is what I need? < 1623512159 409622 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the middle peak can be absent < 1623512213 930766 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the question of image binarizing < 1623512497 747879 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh? < 1623512515 757690 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :question < 1623512530 3552 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you thought of using a neural network to detect the (rotated) letters? < 1623512584 137679 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I'm doing better than NN can do < 1623512676 741866 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my captcha solver will have no NN cancer < 1623512682 996339 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :is NN bad? < 1623512738 735757 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, it's useless < 1623512759 961740 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1623512856 757210 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.1 < 1623512902 992259 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :why do you say these things? < 1623512916 551848 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :experience < 1623512940 689766 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are letters recognized without? < 1623512941 505319 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the most advanced technology we have to date do deal with image recognition is totally useless for image recognition < 1623512962 326146 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :years of observations, math knowledge and marketing understanding < 1623512974 375742 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :undistorted letters should be pretty easy, though < 1623513014 539953 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"how are letters recognized without?" -- with machine learning < 1623513033 584798 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what < 1623513045 572564 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you have a link that explains how to do this machine learning? < 1623513047 262452 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"NN is useless, just use machine learning"=== < 1623513052 811235 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, what? < 1623513067 936434 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :machine learning is in most instances done through NN < 1623513069 470596 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: Careful not to imagine that society is cumulative and always makes forward progress. Sometimes useless technologies are invented. < 1623513069 836959 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :river what do you mean by "this machine learning"? < 1623513073 863624 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'v always been curious about making a program that can read text from an image, but never managed it < 1623513085 369424 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning < 1623513086 770478 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: i do know that < 1623513138 426415 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i am well aware. how does that disproof my statement? < 1623513160 970090 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :your statement isn't proved in the first place < 1623513185 655645 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: Neural nets are generally machine-learning, yes, but not all machine-learning is done through neural nets. < 1623513200 722658 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: i never stated that < 1623513204 131732 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1623513215 921540 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I implemented some example code from https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.01446 the other day, and the learning is done through black-box optimization, not using any gradients or neurons. < 1623513216 639704 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just convinient to use for most cases < 1623513219 138574 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, how to read text from an image < 1623513242 277035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :river I already have 10 lines long prototype that recognizes text better than a tool made by 50 people using several multimillion costing NN technologies < 1623513245 406720 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it's convenient with a toolkit, but NNs to me are expensive, slow, and temperamental. < 1623513267 227395 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :im not the one arguing with you < 1623513270 496030 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the prototype isn't even aware of language dictionaries < 1623513271 915943 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the chat is very busy < 1623513274 331045 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :NN is so big that you are probably easier off just using whatever NN framework you have available in your language of choice than writing a machine learning algorithm from scratch < 1623513276 953768 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so once I add them it will do even better < 1623513280 292366 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopefully you are not mixing my messags up with anyone elses < 1623513311 459383 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :river I understand, it's hard to talk meaningful when every 2nd line is a purposeful flame even if not yours < 1623513321 765144 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes it is quite frustrating < 1623513482 704070 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :having a prototype that recognizes text better than a tool made by 50 people is a bold claim. unless the other tool isn't specifically designed to recognize text, i highly doubt you can give a reasonable metric for that < 1623513703 137604 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :their tool was made specifically for text recognition, my tool is just a wrapped on another thing of mine that isn't even about text < 1623513717 210502 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was just a library usage example < 1623513758 741200 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION afk to a store < 1623513774 55700 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*wrapper < 1623513814 766727 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in that case, better publish a paper or even better sell that product < 1623513881 257731 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: Aha! Okay, this is an understandable perspective. I'm usually working in a language I built, so I have to pay the cost of every abstraction. NNs would take a lot of work. < 1623513888 187400 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1623513953 48456 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's fine. but if you just want to recognize something and are using python (and aren't doing it for research purposes), there is not much benefit writing a specialized solution over taking one of the larger existing frameworks < 1623514251 574781 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I make this captcha solver for just a personal usage script and maybe will reuse somewhere else in future < 1623514290 460526 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I checked how much it costs to solve your captcha with a service where a thousand of people are sitting and and solving them < 1623514330 773300 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's ~$1.5 per 1000 captchas but they are doing it in 30 seconds in average while my one is gonna work within 5 sec < 1623514394 494028 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"yeah, i have this technology written in like 10 lines of codes that could generate me easy passive income, but i will only use it for personal usage, because who needs free money anyways" < 1623516386 155517 :craigo!~craigo@180-150-37-63.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1623516397 965449 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1623516560 336190 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not totally useless, alas, but it's overmarketed and somewhat overused < 1623516723 385345 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a lot of products have some kind of useless modern machine learning part that is technically in it but not really needed or used, just so they can market it as a product that uses machine learning, because that's fashionable. (blockchain is similar, but even worse; in most products advertised with it it's absolutely useless, as opposed to just mostly useless) < 1623516757 761959 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it used to be JIT and multithreaded, then GPU programming, but the marketing fashions are changing < 1623516878 957694 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: did you know about that first idea about an electronic vaccination passport in germany? < 1623516885 433663 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's hilarious < 1623517021 662443 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :*sigh* no, I haven't been following that political nonsense and I'm not too interested in it < 1623517235 420996 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I'll just take the peak within the section that ends when it's the first fall to 20% of the peak < 1623517245 989061 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or 30%, whatever < 1623517733 758759 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1623517904 967399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1623518185 158137 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1623518631 652632 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1623518808 762856 :lukalot!~lukalot@23.82.138.17 JOIN #esolangs lukalot :realname < 1623519281 225591 :lukalot!~lukalot@23.82.138.17 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1623519301 970792 :lukalot!~lukalot@23.82.138.17 JOIN #esolangs lukalot :realname < 1623519319 969084 :lukalot_!~lukalot@23.82.138.17 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1623519320 64015 :lukalot_!~lukalot@23.82.138.17 QUIT :Client Quit < 1623519513 851535 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it possible to define a escape sequence that cancels any further responses from the terminal emulator for previously accepted escape sequences (but does not cancel further ones)? < 1623519688 455206 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but where does Zach propose to get all the energy for the electrolysis? (re "https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/titan") < 1623519722 465157 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it's a nuclear sub, so presumably nuclear power < 1623519735 214036 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :wasteful? yes. possible? also yes < 1623519899 379936 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: wouldn't work too well, because there's a race condition: you wouldn't know when the terminal actually reacted to the escape sequence, and in fact the terminal will likely respond to its input in sequence, so it will react to previous escape sequences before it even reads your recent one. what you can do is to send some escape sequence to which the terminal does react by a response that you can < 1623519905 887413 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :recognize (you can make that from cursor reads unless the terminal is like 1x1 character in size), then read from the terminal and skip everything until you see that reply < 1623520024 60419 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: there's also an ioctl or some such system call api to flush the input queue of the terminal, but that only really works for a local linux console on /dev/ttyN , for anything else there's a race condition because the terminal logic that gives you responses is in an asyncroniously running process or even on another host < 1623520082 271793 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that it won't work for remote terminals; it is for local terminals that I ask about < 1623520091 72685 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for the local terminal, this is useful and getty or its equivalents do us it, so that the new login doesn't get input left there by a previous login, possibly from a malicious user. for a remote terminal like ssh, you usually start a new terminal connection instead; for serial it's a bit more complicated < 1623520096 525069 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(specifically, local pseudoterminals) < 1623520109 580119 :Koen!~Koen@132.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1623520120 285459 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: for local pseudoterminals, the terminal emulator process is still asynchroniously scheduled < 1623520152 732541 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the latency is probably less than if you're talking through an internet connection on ssh, but qualitatively it's the same < 1623520202 897828 :Koen!~Koen@132.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1623520230 56163 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on /dev/tty this can only work because the kernel can and does actually access the read queue of the terminal and flush it and does this in a way that synchronizes with its other terminal processing < 1623520271 37719 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can still flush a pty's queue the same way, but it doesn't really solve the race condition, you still need to wait for the terminal's response to some command you send after that and skip previous responses < 1623520288 461815 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, if you put such a escape sequence in the shell prompt string then any responses to other escape requests (e.g. cursor position, window title, etc) will not be seen by the shell. This can also include keyboard mode; if previous escape sequences set some mode, any keys will be transmitted using the default keyboard mode instead of the new one. < 1623520296 181372 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you can just start a new virtual terminal, which you can actually often do and may be easier (but slower) than resetting an existing one < 1623520320 440763 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It could reset other modes too) < 1623520403 28846 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: that's two different problems. there is a sequence "\ec" that resets almost every setting (in some cases it keeps the palette, window size, fonts, window title and icon title, etc), but you still have to skip the input < 1623520430 739604 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for which I recommend sending a sequence of absolute cursor moves and cursor position reads and wait for the matching response, but perhaps there's a better way < 1623520469 849906 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you may need something more complicated than just "\ec", I'm not sure, but "\ec" is what does most of the work < 1623520524 91617 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, it even resets the weird "\e12m" mode on linux console that, for some reason, systemd's built-in getty doesn't fix on this debian system. < 1623520551 333432 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why doesn't systemd properly reset the terminal? I have no effing clue > 1623520681 862222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GreenThePear 5* 10New user account < 1623520686 854455 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are many problems with systemd that I read about, and many people don't like it, you can use something else instead < 1623520747 960341 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1623520803 109581 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: on this computer there are bigger problems with the local console logins than that: the VESA bios is broken and sometimes doesn't properly set the video mode when switching from X11 to the mode that linux graphics mode console uses < 1623520810 520482 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I don't particularly care about that bug for now < 1623520848 279076 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how they messed that up, the bios and the built-in video card are on the same motherboard sold together < 1623520874 488745 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not a separate extension video card (yet) > 1623521105 563079 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ResU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84368&oldid=84225 5* 03ResU 5* (+30) 10 > 1623521275 446980 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84369&oldid=84336 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+307) 10 < 1623521414 338136 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1623522156 87925 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1623523449 683973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84370&oldid=84367 5* 03ResU 5* (+544) 10Added prime calculator (my own algorithm) > 1623523686 639661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84371&oldid=84370 5* 03ResU 5* (+6) 10 > 1623523783 919378 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84372&oldid=84371 5* 03ResU 5* (+6) 10/* Prime calculator */ < 1623524313 621013 :Guest32!~Guest32@node-1w7jr9sr14x11kd01vg2y6a3f.ipv6.telus.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest32 < 1623524356 405783 :Guest32!~Guest32@node-1w7jr9sr14x11kd01vg2y6a3f.ipv6.telus.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1623524401 116794 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1623524627 488457 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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