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07:16:37 <riv> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts-per_notation#Uno lmao
07:22:34 <riv> https://twitter.com/Thinkwert/status/1409981370269642755
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09:30:03 <arseniiv> @tell riv oh, NativLang is a cool channel
09:30:03 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
09:30:29 <arseniiv> though I haven’t watched the clock video
09:33:25 <nakilon> has anyone did this? https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/userns-remap/
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10:16:41 <VilgotanL_> hi
10:16:43 <VilgotanL_> from linux
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12:13:34 <wib_jonas> fungot, did Michael Jordan really retire only three times, or is this some particularly weird interpretation where he decided that some of his retirements don't really count and he threatens to sue journalists who disagree?
12:13:34 <fungot> wib_jonas: intrinsic sin... original sin would be nice if the link was supposed to be very, very quirky. use makeinfo --html. it's a herring.
12:18:21 <nakilon> retiring is a rin
12:18:38 <nakilon> fungot don't retire
12:18:38 <fungot> nakilon: the only thing keeping me from seeing the musical mama mia, which was what you'd think
12:20:12 <wib_jonas> fungot: I bet it's the pandemic. it kept a lot of people from watching musicals.
12:20:12 <fungot> wib_jonas: from forcix.cx, " some yellow things are sickly", " the inventor of thutu/ cyclexa mix
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14:22:21 <^[> arseniiv: For an esolang based on sunburns, you could have something that continuously corrupts the code, with a mechanism to do error correction.
14:23:53 <nakilon> until cancer
14:24:20 <Corbin> Is cancer a stopping condition or merely a weirder machine?
14:25:18 <nakilon> a cellular automata that segfaults in the end
14:28:41 <nakilon> btw, do you know why people don't live forever? because there are such things like prions -- IIRC they get into your organism and grow like we grow, and when they are mature they are killing us
14:30:18 <Corbin> I thought that it was because of the expansion of the universe.
14:30:21 <nakilon> but we are able to give a birth of a child who does not have these prions in his organism so he gets them from the food and stuff and grows them inside until they kill him
14:31:07 <^[> I think the canonical answer has been "telomere shortening" for some time now, but I'm sure it's more nuanced than that.
14:31:22 <^[> Prion disease doesn't seem to be all that common.
14:31:41 <nakilon> and this why cannibalism is dangerous -- when you eat someone of your kind you get his prions which might be enough mature already if the person you eat is older than you
14:32:22 <nakilon> yeah there might be other reasons to die
14:32:55 <nakilon> it only depends on which one of them will kill you first
14:32:57 <Corbin> nakilon: A version of your argument with slightly more evidence is lead; lead particles are thought to interfere at a chemical level with the formation of RNA. But usually neither lead nor prions are the cause of death, and we don't have evidence that their buildup is inevitable.
14:33:58 <nakilon> Corbin IIRC this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt%E2%80%93Jakob_disease
14:34:45 <nakilon> someone made cows eat each other so their disease of that kind became more mature in their organism
14:35:44 <Corbin> nakilon: Yes, but as we know from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease) the solution is "don't eat diseased creatures"
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14:36:28 <arseniiv> <^[> arseniiv: For an esolang based on sunburns, you could have something that continuously corrupts the code, with a mechanism to do error correction. => interesting idea!
14:36:44 <nakilon> diseased species of your kind
14:37:25 <Corbin> ^[, arseniiv: If the level of corruption (random bit flips?) decreases over time, then this sounds like a generalization of simulated annealing.
14:37:26 <hanif> what's to stop prions from crossing species?
14:37:50 <arseniiv> Corbin: oh, temperature
14:38:15 <^[> Different species have different proteins, so the wrong kind of prions won't be able to do any harm.
14:38:34 <nakilon> imagine a machine that can cure itself from viruses by replicating a clean new copy of itself of enough high garauntee to not have the viruses it already has
14:38:51 <arseniiv> I remember thinking something about chemical soup esolang with temperature acting in some way, though I don’t remember anything now
14:39:05 <nakilon> hanif AFAIK we have different prions
14:40:00 <nakilon> arseniiv did you eat the soup when you got this idea?
14:42:19 <nakilon> arseniiv https://catseye.tc/article/Automata.md#noit-o-mnain-worb
14:42:23 <arseniiv> nakilon: lol :D most probably no
14:43:16 <arseniiv> oh I’ve seen that one!
14:43:27 <nakilon> "Schrödinger's Game of Life" --- ahaha, just reading such title make my day
14:43:51 <nakilon> how it feel just to know that there is another crazy stuff in the world
14:45:06 <arseniiv> I think my idea was to use molecular graphs and predefine rules of their interactions in a profitable way, then the programmer specifies just the molecules he wants and it should compute something. The bottleneck was deciding how many elements and what rules to have
14:46:38 <arseniiv> some reactions would input or output characters, like I think when Hg is involved as Mercury is a messenger
14:46:46 <nakilon> like Spacechem but with rules?
14:47:29 <arseniiv> maybe a bit like that
14:48:33 <arseniiv> also maybe I planned that thing to be non-deterministic, but not to the bone, like reactions of some atom groups having precedence over others, unless temperature is high
14:48:54 <nakilon> I wonder why deadly prions, viruses and bacterias exist -- do they know that they are deadly?
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14:49:14 <nakilon> do they have to exist? does it mean that malware will exist too in any way?
14:49:36 <arseniiv> do they have is an interesting but hard question I think
14:50:05 <arseniiv> it depends on how much unlike to ours we allow potential universes to be
14:50:28 <arseniiv> and quantifying this stuff seems very hard to me
14:50:31 <Corbin> nakilon: I need to make a video on this, because AFAICT none exist. There's a thought experiment, Pirsig's Chemistry Professor, which explains that every emergent level of complexity comes with its own morality-like rules.
14:50:57 <nakilon> I believe if I was reading sci-fi I would know a lot of stories about invading other planet to see how world is absolutely different
14:51:07 <nakilon> I just need another spare life to read them
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14:51:54 <Corbin> The bulk of it is that "deadly" is about the morality of people, which is much higher-level (more emergent and complex) than proteins, DNA, or single-celled life. Each of those three things still exists at their own level of complexity and behaves according to their own fundamental rules.
14:52:23 <arseniiv> human stories though need to be more or less human-reachable so our sci-fi is not a good technique to approximate possible universes
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14:52:48 <Corbin> (Pirsig specifically imagines a chemistry teacher sitting on a beach. The laws of chemistry say that the Sun and surf should dissolve them, but they don't; why not? Pirsig's answer is because homeostasis is part of life, not part of chemistry.)
14:53:10 <nakilon> doesn't any living thing have a definition of death? when it just dies and only its replicants live
14:55:01 <arseniiv> I totally get how frustrating it is to watch infections destroy precious things. A fly bit me two days ago and it wreaked havoc on my poor leg, now I need seven different meds to bring it back to health pronto, and still that would be at least a week :-\
14:55:39 <nakilon> _Oo
14:55:42 <arseniiv> though I wouldn’t distinguish infections from tsunamis, earthquakes and supernova explosions
14:56:47 <nakilon> record a pus and post to /r/popping for karma
14:57:03 <arseniiv> hopefully there wouldn’t be any!
14:57:53 <nakilon> in case of tsunami the tsunami definitely does not need us while in case of organic threats the things are more complicated; we need bacterias and viruses for life
14:58:11 <nakilon> and they need us
14:58:19 <nakilon> that's why it's weird that some are killing us
14:58:29 <nakilon> though they help us evolute but...
14:58:47 <hanif> we need viruses for life?
14:59:02 <nakilon> I don't think bacteria knows how to evolute us on the way to make us more protected against crocodiles
14:59:07 <arseniiv> bacteria usually don’t need us too and then accidentally co-evolve like with hm how it was called, a medieval plague thing
14:59:11 <hanif> i mean i've heard of the codependence (forgot the word) with bacteria, but idk of viruses
14:59:50 <arseniiv> hanif: it was hypothesized viruses made some advances in bacteria and eucaryotes, though I don’t remember which
14:59:54 <nakilon> hanif there is a virus that is ingrown in women placenta (I'm speaking in simple words within my biological knowledge) and without it we won't be able to give a birth
15:00:02 <nakilon> half of our DNA is viruses
15:00:26 <hanif> 'half of our DNA is viruses
15:00:44 <hanif> ' => but that's because of infections, that doesn't mean we need them
15:00:57 <hanif> *past infections
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15:03:45 <hanif> hm 'The placenta goes viral: Retroviruses control gene expression in pregnancy'
15:04:54 <nakilon> titlegore
15:05:06 <Corbin> hanif: Viruses are an important carrier of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer and so they are constantly participating in evolutionary improvements at all higher levels of life.
15:05:42 <Corbin> nakilon: Knowledge is an illusion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem
15:06:27 <nakilon> can't google a shit
15:06:33 <nakilon> search results are full of covid
15:06:53 <nakilon> covid literally contaminated google so I can't find what I want ..\
15:07:32 <myname> knowledge isn't an illusion
15:08:03 <myname> just because you cannot clearly define something doesn't mean it doesn't exist
15:08:17 <hanif> Corbin: i did not know that. also thanks for mentioning the pirsig's chemsitry professor parafox, interesting stuff
15:08:24 <myname> i cannot give you a definition of game that would work, yet i am fairly sure games do exist
15:11:21 <nakilon> аinally
15:11:24 <nakilon> hanif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_viral_element#Co-option_and_exaptation_by_host_species
15:11:29 <nakilon> *finally
15:12:20 <hanif> Corbin: 'I need to make a video on this' => you have a youtube channel or something? i'd be interested if you are willing to share it
15:12:25 <nakilon> people believed that there will be new, even better Quake game but it does not come
15:12:51 <Corbin> hanif: I don't have any good relevant videos on the channel right now. Making good videos has been my goal this year, but I've failed horribly at it.
15:13:24 <Corbin> But yeah, I have a whiteboard full of topics in (philosophy of) computer science which *somebody* needs to talk about, and I guess I have to do it.
15:14:39 <Corbin> myname: That's fair. To paraphrase Socrates, I would accept that some authority could define things for us, but I would wonder exactly what the basis for that authority is. (FYI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorial_game_theory)
15:14:58 <hanif> sounds like something i'd watch
15:15:08 <Corbin> (I have the book "On Numbers and Games" on my shelf. I read it every few years just to have my brain broken again. RIP Conway.)
15:15:37 <myname> crashcourse philosophy actually used the gettier problem for its knowledge episode
15:17:06 <Corbin> hanif: Maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaUmXvN6OAY (philosophy) or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfepFANkz-k (comp. sci.) would be interesting. This is the sort of stuff I want to make more of.
15:17:49 <hanif> thanks
15:24:06 <hanif> Corbin: aaah did you use to go by simpson? i remember seeing you on #lojban
15:24:47 <Corbin> Yep, same great snark, one character shorter.
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15:25:44 <myname> lojban <3
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15:29:21 <Taneb> myname: I've been meaning to learn lojban, but for practical reasons I've been focusing on Italian first
15:31:57 <myname> i am really bad at learning vocabulary, so i basically gave up on learning any new language with the intent of actually using it
15:32:07 <myname> i like to look at grammar and stuff, though
15:38:14 <nakilon> I wanted to learn the language of Elves by Tolkien -- Quenya
15:38:31 <nakilon> but it only made my nickname
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17:51:56 <b_jonas> fungot, when you revise the English Scrabble dictionary, make sure to add "rona" too, besides "covid"
17:51:56 <fungot> b_jonas: my interest is piqued...
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20:24:29 <b_jonas> fizzie: I know this is a minor complaint, but the chat logs at eh. https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-06.html don't have the favicon set, so there's no "temporary" lemon slice logo
20:25:07 <fizzie> Oh, good point. Maybe I'll just copy the favicon.
20:26:25 <b_jonas> ooh! let's make the guidelinet that the temporary lemon slice log shall be replaced when we feature the hundredth language!
20:26:56 <b_jonas> or that we start a discussion for replacing the logo after the hundredth featured language
20:31:10 <fizzie> I think I made an abstract (SVG) trilime approximation once, but nobody liked it. Okay, it wasn't particularly good either, maybe that's why.
20:31:48 <shachaf> I like lemons, though.
20:32:35 <riv> isnt it a lime?
20:33:38 <b_jonas> ric: might be a lime, and might be halves instead of slices, I don't insist on particular types of citrus
20:34:05 <shachaf> I don't like limes as much as lemons.
20:35:34 <b_jonas> we can probably turn them to more like lemons by some color changes, at least for people who aren't experts in citruses
20:37:13 <b_jonas> we can probably even turn them to red oranges
20:37:29 <b_jonas> or to grapefruits
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