< 1622506026 702332 :Guest50!~Guest50@bras-base-okvlon3013w-grc-26-70-50-64-231.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esolangs < 1622506028 790138 :Guest50!~Guest50@bras-base-okvlon3013w-grc-26-70-50-64-231.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Client Quit > 1622506369 549225 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83774&oldid=83772 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+549) 10 > 1622506677 146161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83775&oldid=83757 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-13) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1622506688 410690 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83776&oldid=83775 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-13) 10/* Hello World */ > 1622506698 255886 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83777&oldid=83776 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-13) 10/* Add 2 numbers */ > 1622506711 376563 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83778&oldid=83777 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-12) 10/* Writing Code */ > 1622506717 479643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83779&oldid=83778 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-1) 10/* Writing Code */ > 1622506746 800067 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83780&oldid=83779 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-40) 10/* First Method: Point */ > 1622506760 176844 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83781&oldid=83780 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-27) 10/* Second Method: Vector List */ > 1622506760 484175 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SF Code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83782&oldid=83535 5* 03JaydenIrwin 5* (-27) 10removed self-modifing category > 1622506823 436366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SF Code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83783&oldid=83782 5* 03JaydenIrwin 5* (+27) 10Undo revision 83782 by [[Special:Contributions/JaydenIrwin|JaydenIrwin]] ([[User talk:JaydenIrwin|talk]]) < 1622507234 57705 :simcop2387!~simcop238@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Changing host < 1622507234 184279 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/owner/simcop2387 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622507253 867185 :perlbot!~perlbot@2603-6080-3108-088d-18fc-1230-0f1a-2f6b.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Changing host < 1622507253 996212 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/perlbot JOIN :#esolangs > 1622507674 900132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83784&oldid=83774 5* 03Doridian 5* (+28) 10Grammar fixes, formatting fixes > 1622508774 408636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83785&oldid=83784 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+786) 10/* An actual dictionary */ > 1622508835 776726 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83786&oldid=83785 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-19) 10/* Use */ > 1622513257 652625 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83787&oldid=83739 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+157) 10/* OK */ < 1622514766 700043 :Guest46!~Guest46@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622514810 172888 :Guest46!~Guest46@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello < 1622514828 643397 :Guest46!~Guest46@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am making an esolang, but need help making a compiler < 1622514847 138614 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1622514861 857672 :Guest46!~Guest46@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I really want it in python. < 1622514864 923930 :Guest46!~Guest46@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: help ignore > 1622514864 923969 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: usage: "brctl: ignored" (to list), "brctl: ignore [net/]nick" (to add) or "brctl: unignore [net/]nick" (to remove); network defaults to your own; nick = * matches any message < 1622514883 126657 :Guest46!~Guest46@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here are the docs : https://bluefalconhd.github.io/Dragynslash/docs < 1622514906 673190 :Guest46!~Guest46@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Python is my most knowlegable langauge. < 1622514986 604487 :Guest46!~Guest46@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the esolang is based off of Asciidots < 1622515051 876990 :Guest46!~Guest46@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1622515072 709353 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622515074 359424 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Welp im back < 1622515079 273419 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :accidentally reloaded < 1622515087 770275 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :i am the Guest45 dude < 1622515095 37915 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :making this https://bluefalconhd.github.io/Dragynslash/docs < 1622515134 597193 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need help with a compiler, as I hav no idea how to compile a 2d lanaguge. < 1622515172 270767 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I really want it to be in python, and not use external packages except for built in ones like time and system. < 1622515192 262271 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: help ignore > 1622515192 262336 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: usage: "brctl: ignored" (to list), "brctl: ignore [net/]nick" (to add) or "brctl: unignore [net/]nick" (to remove); network defaults to your own; nick = * matches any message < 1622515236 733208 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello? anyone here? < 1622515258 191005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: ignored > 1622515258 191048 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: Ignore list: freenode/V freenode/shachaf libera/Sgeo libera/Soni libera/V libera/cd libera/int-e libera/shachaf < 1622515261 605752 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :BlueFalconHD: This is IRC, do be patient, people may take a while to respond. < 1622515264 864345 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also: Why compile < 1622515282 869476 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because it is a self made esolang. < 1622515288 780257 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :why not interpret it < 1622515290 60002 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need a compiler for output. < 1622515292 620726 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :BlueFalconHD: you have to tell it to ignore you specifically, that's the brctl: ignore [net/]nick syntax < 1622515302 16698 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1622515303 588522 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's probably just an interpreter < 1622515307 175750 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1622515317 224555 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well then I need help making an interpreter. < 1622515336 256069 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if any of you use github, here is the repo: https://github.com/BlueFalconHD/Dragynslash < 1622515337 234584 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since this is vaguely befunge-like I'd look for a befunge interpreter in Python and use that as inspiration. < 1622515343 737218 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1622515380 66678 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then adapt the code? < 1622515433 774551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, maybe try to understand it, then write your own? < 1622515446 879554 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for where to start, a few hints: first you'll want to arrange the input file onto a 2D grid, start with that; then work on moving an "instruction pointer" around the grid, obeying direction changing instructions < 1622515456 914922 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :from there, work on supporting each operation one by one < 1622515467 873719 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :start with the easy ones, more important ones first < 1622515490 319953 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing is, adapting code that you don't understand is likely to just not work. And when you do understand it, you can write your own and be sure of all the features it has (excluding bugs). < 1622515495 519839 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ < 1622515539 983067 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ok thanks. < 1622515552 664852 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you use github, you can help out lol < 1622515557 892936 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suck at python < 1622515565 241354 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it is my best langauge < 1622515566 99059 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :my first esolang interpreters sucked, but i learned a lot more by writing it myself than I did adapting other code < 1622515588 168034 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION somehow still remembers learning about the jank behavior of \ in C < 1622515608 216277 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :\\ doc comment blah blah \ < 1622515622 456632 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :i++; \\ oops, because of \ this is still a comment < 1622515623 678866 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1622515624 969439 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :or was it / < 1622515631 32126 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION forgets < 1622515644 352618 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was \ < 1622515666 904384 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are you speaking is js < 1622515670 491788 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :gtg < 1622515757 28339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cd: the line comments are //, the ordinary comments are /* */ < 1622515773 995462 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e, yes, i'm talking about the special behavior of \ at the end of a line < 1622515790 617463 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah. < 1622515803 6574 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes i used the wrong symbol for comments < 1622515804 999828 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :how did i do that < 1622515807 541796 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't work for comments :) < 1622515808 681591 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :i must be too tired < 1622515843 869739 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :i literally use C-like languages constantly how'd i make that mistake lol < 1622515921 673054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cd: so apparently I never really ran into that, apart from knowing that // comments inside macros don't work. < 1622515943 899519 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :i ran into it only because i was commenting an esolang interp where \ was a command < 1622515960 760503 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :so \ ended up at the end of a line, and broke the implementation silently < 1622515961 896938 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :>:I < 1622515987 949948 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Always write full sentences. Problem solved. < 1622516018 785035 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think i made that mistake 5-6yr ago now < 1622516022 767885 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :was a long time ago < 1622516042 881257 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :`help hackeso, help me figure out when i first showed up in the channel pls < 1622516048 593790 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​`hackeso, help me figure out when i first showed up in the channel pls? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1622516051 403544 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION is just bantering at this point. < 1622516053 651340 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :`help < 1622516053 955426 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch [] " downloads files. Files saved to $HACKENV are persistent, and $HACKENV/bin is in $PATH. $HACKENV is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/ to browse. $PWD ($HACKENV/tmp) is persistent but unversioned, /tmp is ephemeral. < 1622516122 341129 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometime late 2016, huh. yep almost 5yr ago now < 1622516165 536458 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn The password of the month is moving to Libera Chat. < 1622516171 292310 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is moving to Libera Chat. < 1622516211 36438 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :..jeeez have i really been here 5yr now < 1622516215 800994 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1622516219 809260 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? imode < 1622516221 573277 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode is an Innovative Multicomponent Drug Designer, afflicted by a severe case of the UPPERs. < 1622516324 687395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? sgeo < 1622516326 476246 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex, thus killing it within a month. He was Doctor Mengele in his previous life, as evidenced by his norn experiments. < 1622516361 257682 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? sgeolang < 1622516363 14081 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeolang used to change frequently, but eventually it rusted in place. < 1622516408 825014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cd: AIUI, HackEso still has a presence on freenode. < 1622516441 58400 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Yea but I don't :P > 1622516474 606724 PRIVMSG #esolangs : `? password > 1622516476 419031 PRIVMSG #esolangs : The password of the month is moving to Libera Chat. < 1622516847 403301 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION never adapts others' code < 1622517822 679023 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1622517995 241402 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622518010 312164 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN :#esolangs > 1622525986 121187 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83788&oldid=83786 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+180) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1622528431 224793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Airline food14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83789 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+253) 10Polyglot < 1622528500 743531 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN :#esolangs < 1622530682 189327 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs > 1622531392 995369 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83790&oldid=83787 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+57) 10 > 1622531526 764684 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Airline food14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83791&oldid=82866 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+141) 10 < 1622531750 918033 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN :#esolangs < 1622533013 641815 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1622533115 528603 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1622533484 331138 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah, password change. I forgot about that. < 1622533580 847557 :mistbreeze!~mistbreez@2600:1700:b7e0:8320:db9:d291:9a49:6abc JOIN :#esolangs < 1622533747 788675 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622534162 936256 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622534848 518062 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN :#esolangs < 1622534856 968983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622535007 517563 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1622535473 439554 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83792&oldid=82994 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+2) 10Added a full stop and a line break near the top of the page. < 1622537534 747383 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622538520 603987 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esolangs < 1622538902 345414 :archenoth!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622540909 240902 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-001.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622543081 245600 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622543105 536301 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN :#esolangs < 1622543620 558829 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1622543986 640760 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN :#esolangs < 1622544005 396904 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PART :#esolangs < 1622544047 666136 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN :#esolangs < 1622544199 714394 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: multi-colored color indicators shown as multiple normal-sized disks only slightly overlapping would be nicer and easier to read, but indeed would be hard to fit to Nicol Bolas, the Arisen's type line now that the typeline shows "Legendary". perhaps it could only be reprinted in sets with narrower expansion symbols, not in core sets. < 1622544434 449685 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" The thing is, adapting code that you don't understand is likely to just not work." then why is copying huge blocks of boilerplate from StackOverflow stereotypically popular among code monkeys? < 1622545978 220930 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because it's boilerplate? < 1622546015 795715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also.. the result stereotypically only almost always works. < 1622546032 962175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also there's reasons why code monkeys remain code monkeys < 1622546051 713140 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ook. < 1622546112 66671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: FWIW, even though I spoke in general, the remark was colored by context; interpreters aren't really the kind of code where you expect to copy last chunks from another interpreter and expect it to fit well < 1622546134 429110 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :last? large. < 1622546148 436874 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION bonks head on table a few times to see if that fixes it. < 1622546640 746199 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1622546857 892468 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fixes the table? < 1622546979 366641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs ::t fix head < 1622546980 312862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :error: < 1622546980 397960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : • Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a ~ [a] < 1622546980 398037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : Expected type: a -> a < 1622547030 179945 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Do you even have a head? < 1622547030 418475 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: the king awaits. you saved our queen? you see, the mammon machine! nya ha! what losers! you can walk your way across but that's the plan, so he was banished from zeal. a great disaster in zeal somehow threw me into this thing. what you have? transform! this trading house. it's the kind? the mystics supposedly despise you! i'm leaving! < 1622547044 816022 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style < 1622547044 905201 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1622547063 4810 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can tell from all the references to Zeal. < 1622547102 976078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Chrono Trigger? < 1622547107 195308 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep. < 1622547127 216062 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was a copy of "the script" at one of those gamefaqsy kind of places, that's what it's trained on. < 1622547160 481011 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Is he really a tricycle? < 1622547160 619977 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: you! take! we find! spekkio. the master of war! i've seen all kinds of battles from here, step back, prometheus! < 1622547172 876416 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Dramatric. < 1622547180 512101 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/tr/t/ < 1622547981 207778 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622548357 846552 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1622548395 620162 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esolangs < 1622549305 853074 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1622549686 30617 :FireFly!firefly@user/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot! < 1622549686 209980 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: must think of a way to the ocean palace! and if you wish! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we no can call you " knight cyrus fell while protecting our kingdom from magus. i'd stay away! < 1622549829 208753 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sound advice. > 1622549873 869362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bubbles14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83793&oldid=67738 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+1109) 10/* Ideas */ new section > 1622549988 700199 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bubbles14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83794&oldid=83793 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+43) 10Sorry! I forgot to add my signature > 1622550066 38038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83795&oldid=83790 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+283) 10signature check > 1622550092 418355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83796&oldid=83795 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+2) 10signature check > 1622550124 105468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bubbles14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83797&oldid=83794 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+81) 10sorry i messed up my signature AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1622550182 164896 :FireFly!firefly@user/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :indeed < 1622550457 869805 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN :#esolangs > 1622550684 328818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83798&oldid=83796 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10No include > 1622550696 554381 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83799&oldid=83798 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10 > 1622550800 86633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83800&oldid=82646 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+133) 10? > 1622550818 558465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83801&oldid=83800 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-24) 10- < 1622550820 846524 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622551053 333368 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :~200 new official baba is you levels < 1622551056 986385 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :coming soon, this month probably < 1622551105 328291 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should probably solve the first lot, then < 1622551166 737092 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes it's a good game! < 1622551171 713346 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used hints near the end < 1622551177 539078 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :and some hints at the beginning too < 1622551447 360191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been trying to do it without hints but I don't tend to be very good at puzzles < 1622551456 683382 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then I put it down and forget everything I've learnt < 1622551514 275398 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622551969 493462 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that it is hard enough that it's more fun to occasionally used hints after giving a level a really solid try < 1622551992 629107 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it just depends on whether you're still enjoying it or not < 1622552962 726549 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622553471 666884 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN :#esolangs < 1622553599 327790 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does Baba is You have a secret secret secret ending, or only a secret secret ending? I get confused about which games have what. < 1622553677 10749 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it has only got two levels of secret ending < 1622553735 850173 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622553791 694019 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have question. How do I get a esolang on the wiki when I finish making it? < 1622553851 853268 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :You make an article for it < 1622553866 676478 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are there guidlines ect. < 1622553895 286825 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :just write it up well < 1622553900 336519 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ok < 1622553903 159245 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool < 1622554163 192263 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1622554189 573423 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN :#esolangs < 1622554378 737723 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1622556069 582597 :jinn!~jinn@d.jinn.army QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1622556343 299400 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-026.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esolangs > 1622557262 182326 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Pie14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83802 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+1368) 10made > 1622557354 454528 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Qbit 5* 10New user account > 1622557533 88673 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83803&oldid=83762 5* 03Qbit 5* (+157) 10/* Introductions */ < 1622557859 176622 :Hooloovo-!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1622557934 820176 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esolangs > 1622558106 696610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:VilgotanL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83804&oldid=83682 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+334) 10add github links < 1622558655 793718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN :#esolangs < 1622560706 420414 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1622561132 237550 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622561180 769855 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622561571 993730 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622562145 618637 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1622563788 290021 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ResU 5* 10New user account > 1622564120 302214 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83805&oldid=83803 5* 03ResU 5* (+143) 10 < 1622564436 925171 :Pricey!~pricey@libera/staff/pricey JOIN :#esolangs > 1622565181 68789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:++Brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83806 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+211) 10created and asked meaning < 1622565363 278464 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622567722 782063 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN :#esolangs < 1622567837 14134 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622567853 448337 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Github is so lame they are not incapable to implement a CI to keep a green master in a repo with 500 contributors < 1622567885 992553 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/github/explore/commits/main < 1622568026 715763 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to pretend in from of their own managers or whatever that they have CI they made a ./script/cibuild but still break the Github Action build > 1622568113 522671 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Truttle114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83807&oldid=83237 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+238) 10appreciation! < 1622568115 940292 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why am I then being surprised my local folks if such as Github make this a quality standard < 1622568254 419028 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :*.net *.split < 1622568255 9266 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon QUIT :*.net *.split < 1622568255 225878 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space QUIT :*.net *.split < 1622568270 271304 :SoniEx2!~quassel@autistic.space JOIN :#esolangs < 1622568623 281626 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622568630 536626 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esolangs < 1622568710 359794 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon JOIN :#esolangs < 1622568732 461627 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like thelounge is having some bad time on authing on libera with sasl certificate < 1622568740 935995 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :switched to username+password < 1622568742 119999 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway < 1622568772 52568 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :dude presses the pull request approval BEFORE asking to rebase; and calling the rebase a "Update branch" -- I even checked if it's maybe their term for that but nope, it's "Fetch upstream" < 1622568839 423060 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I checked who is that and it's an asian girl; previous time when I had a deal with Github stuff it was an amazing idiocy about rewriting someone's library with my library source code that I mentioned before -- that time it was some black dude < 1622568986 827113 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I assume they are hiring based on the "need of diversity" rather on checking if people are competent < 1622569840 504277 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think that's an unfair assumption to make purely from your experience < 1622569862 263707 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also github is known for trying too hard to be woke (overcorrecting for an earlier period of their corporate culture) so it may be true anyway < 1622569962 907288 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :these things can get a bit cringe < 1622570008 179689 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :one time i was on an airplane and the guy next to me noticed I was trans and started going on and on about how woke his company is, and how he made everyone put their pronouns in their email signature and stuff like that, and i should come work for him, while saying almost nothing about what the company actually does or why i would be a good fit < 1622570100 914996 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://thehardtimes.net/culture/trans-person-crosses-street-avoid-overly-supportive-liberals/ > 1622570340 162704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83808&oldid=78988 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+131) 10/* Instructions */ Computational class (thanks to Monochromeninja) < 1622570564 880309 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I love how they say "we should care about everyone not only about ourselves" in their guidelines < 1622570586 199741 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and at the same time they FORCE-changed the default repo branch name for all the users > 1622570759 611285 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PythonshellDebugwindow/Rewriting Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83809&oldid=74118 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-141) 10Please delete > 1622570800 686040 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PythonshellDebugwindow/Vandevelo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83810&oldid=79353 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-223) 10This page should be deleted < 1622571012 161560 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622571038 791466 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :their build failed even after my rebase, lol < 1622571173 462786 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :any kind of woke guidelines or code of conduct should not be taken at face value. they are political documents meant to support a particular ideology < 1622571188 925696 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the same people who promote these documents openly gloat about not following their own rules < 1622571489 296256 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622571501 714414 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm happy that it's not my problem anymore < 1622571524 866180 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they changed my personal preference about the default branch name without notifying me and I've lost' multiple hours guessing why things don't work; why do they think I need it at all? what if I love the "master" branch name? what if also name by dev branch "slave" and it's my kink? they used black people as slaves for centuries in US but we didn't < 1622571524 955544 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Russia -- why should I be affected? it's not my problem... < 1622571638 390818 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :countries besides the USA exist?? whoa < 1622571675 85829 :SoniEx2!~quassel@autistic.space NICK :Soni > 1622571747 196106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cerberus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83811 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+1412) 10Created page with "I wrote an interpreter for this. It has a wimpmode too: [https://tio.run/##nVVNb9s4ED2bv2KqPVRqJNVOFj0YdYGiwKI@dFOgvQlCQUu0zUYiBZJCEhT57dkZUrJlZYsF1jYscfjm8c0Hye7RHbW6eY6iiG1B..." < 1622571766 145452 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is #esolangs, not #politics > 1622571838 109850 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cerberus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83812&oldid=83811 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+106) 10updated my post < 1622571888 888488 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What I read, they allow you to change the default branch names individually per project and rename them. But if they did like you described, then perhaps it is too confusing what they did < 1622572209 841163 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which names are appropriate might depend on the project. Naming a branch "slave" is unlikely to be appropriate for most projects, but I cannot predict everything, of course.) (When you are mirroring a repository with another system, it would help to use the same branch names as the original rather than changing them to "main" or "master" (unless they already are), I think.) < 1622572411 864796 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe we should also get rid of the word "robot" since it derives from a slavic word for "slave" / "serf" < 1622572460 353851 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :also "servo" < 1622572498 235766 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the "server" word is bad too? < 1622572511 37730 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :should it be "partner" or something < 1622572539 233792 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :still off-topic for #esolangs < 1622572629 144653 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think is not the good idea to get rid of the words; it doesn't help. < 1622573172 552950 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs : does Baba is You have a secret secret secret ending, or only a secret secret ending? I get confused about which games have what. => oh I hope they aren’t disjoint and I wouldn’t need to replay it all from scratch to get another ending < 1622573185 598604 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :not that I’m close (I’m not) < 1622573230 318439 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is a fun game < 1622573236 22632 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe i should play it some more < 1622573257 854997 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't play many games but when i do it's often because they are mentioned here < 1622573272 88806 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :++ < 1622573297 328553 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think now half my games are those which were mentioned here :D < 1622573307 528756 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least a third < 1622573456 210212 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think probably none of the computer games I like to play are the ones mentioned here < 1622573485 375658 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was shocked when I learned today that blur filter in SVG is not a special attribute of a group or primitive, but a filter among other filters. Didn’t suspect that as Inkscape treats it a bit special and I get why — it’s very useful compared to many other filters which would often be more useful as part of a composite filter chain < 1622573512 347518 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: but you mentioned them yourself so technically they are :) < 1622574031 263892 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: Yes, after I left the room I thought of that, yes they are mentioned on the IRC, even if I am the only one who did (well, at least some of them, not necessarily all of them are mentioned) < 1622574405 314427 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some games I wrote by myself, although not all of them. I don't know if you liked any of the same ones or not < 1622574932 794327 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :The pokedex number is actually the old pokedex number < 1622574945 635463 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :now there is a national pokedex number which is sometimes different < 1622574995 581496 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there may be a regional pokedex for each region with its own numbering < 1622575537 868612 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622576974 126600 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :github/explore available issue labels: bug, enhancement, duplicate, invalid, question, help wanted, wont fix, india < 1622577012 983962 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no joke https://i.imgur.com/bhhMCd1.png > 1622577179 524697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Tiangou14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83813 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+777) 10Created page with "I wrote an interpreter for this: [https://tio.run/##nZM9b9swEIZn81ectYROLLdGNyMKEGTSUGToaHi4iOeIsUSyJIW4KPrb3ZPsQgrdLp1EnZ573/ug3I9YW/PllGWZKEGbSN55iqQg1gTlp2fAAIqw0eYV3nWs4fH..." < 1622577373 955829 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622577688 847401 :archenoth!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622578012 299574 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622578397 503181 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is the new pokedex number? < 1622579052 229748 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :national pokedex number < 1622579067 102111 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the national pokedex has a unique number for all pokemon of all generations < 1622579082 675983 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the regional pokedex has smaller numbers but only assigned to local pokemon < 1622579117 242865 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I know of the pokedex numbers, but you mentioned a old and new pokedex numbers; what is the difference? < 1622579224 807840 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :The first divergence is national pokedex number #152 Chikorita < 1622579234 940699 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the Johto region pokedex this is pokemon #1 < 1622579272 447171 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622579337 785449 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, although I only use the global numbers myself, and the pokemon mahjong that I made up only uses the global numbers. < 1622579373 750868 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about regional pokemahjong which only uses regional pokemon? < 1622579412 348989 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You could play it that way too if you wanted to I suppose, although I have not thought of that, but you are correct. < 1622579548 859303 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Starting the game requires knowing the number of generations, but you could use a variant rule for the regional variant, such as treat it as one generation for the rules that care about that. < 1622579640 452311 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are two kind of sequences possible, being numeric sequences and evolution sequences. When it is generation I only, all evolution sequences are also numeric sequences; with more generations, it might not be. (A sequence in mahjong must consist of three cards, so an evolution sequence cannot be made with Eevee. Its evolution is still relevant, but not for making sequences.) < 1622579833 834783 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622580535 561753 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622580615 271277 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you like pokemon mahjong game? > 1622580784 260642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Spidey Zac 5* 10New user account < 1622581138 831883 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have never tried it < 1622581147 289559 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't play mahjong < 1622581155 439804 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like it though < 1622582197 62567 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Quit: brb < 1622582280 80448 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN :#esolangs < 1622582313 508938 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622582875 582709 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622582906 37200 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esolangs < 1622583926 53137 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622584061 801306 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1622585426 87195 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have liked mahjong and pokemon separately in the past. < 1622585446 917512 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :🀣 hurt itself in its confusion. < 1622585463 208416 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode 🀣 < 1622585464 424195 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+1F023 MAHJONG TILE ORCHID] < 1622585893 517967 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1622586006 526375 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN :#esolangs < 1622587007 219430 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :So do I, but that doesn't necessary mean you can't play pokemon mahjong too. > 1622587429 960381 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OfficialCraftCGame14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83814 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+111) 10Created page with "The creator of several games ''(some unfinished)'' and an esoteric programming language called '''Nevermind'''." > 1622588466 985742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Maximxls 5* 10New user account < 1622588634 720553 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moon > 1622588715 53068 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83815&oldid=83805 5* 03Maximxls 5* (+171) 10/* Introductions */ > 1622588999 474196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LongDick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83816&oldid=81154 5* 03Maximxls 5* (+67) 10 > 1622590090 985157 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83817&oldid=83788 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+288) 10 > 1622590584 195953 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83818&oldid=83781 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+67) 10 > 1622590837 112985 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83819&oldid=83817 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+74) 10 < 1622591442 69514 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1622591466 91038 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622591598 344948 :mistbreeze!~mistbreez@2600:1700:b7e0:8320:db9:d291:9a49:6abc QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1622592105 965971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEWNN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83820 5* 03ResU 5* (+1335) 10Created page with "'''AEWNN''' (or '''An esolang with no name''') is an esolang created by [[User:ResU]] in 2021. ==Variables== There are two types of variables: letter variables and VariablesWi..." > 1622592377 832191 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Malbolge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83821&oldid=41030 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+1824) 10/* Python interpreter */ new section > 1622592865 424929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Emoji-gramming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83822&oldid=57083 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+445) 10/* Sign checking */ new section > 1622593113 705835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEWNN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83823&oldid=83820 5* 03ResU 5* (+6) 10 < 1622593324 633373 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622593433 434819 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :A reason needing writing better web browser software is that existing software is like http://catb.org/jargon/html/U/user-friendly.html (It is one thing, not all of them, of course) < 1622593509 865951 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Macintrash lol > 1622593938 529831 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ResU14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83824 5* 03ResU 5* (+68) 10Created page with "My esolangs: [[AEWNN]] (planned to make more esolangs in the future)" < 1622594076 717657 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net JOIN :#esolangs > 1622594240 236988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ResU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83825&oldid=83824 5* 03ResU 5* (+12) 10 < 1622594288 301189 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1622594291 908670 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what? < 1622595109 934048 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree, those should be unordered-list bullet points instead. < 1622596694 624756 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622597200 761267 :BlueFalconHD!~BlueFalco@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1622597332 845666 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :some trivial things you want to make for years but are lazy for no reason < 1622597661 278563 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ ruby upload.rb empty_file < 1622597661 404163 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :uploading as http://md5.nakilon.pro/d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e < 1622597661 404320 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ ruby upload.rb empty_file < 1622597661 404403 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :file exists as http://md5.nakilon.pro/d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e < 1622597704 759519 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :finally I made a bucket to store arbitrary files under their md5 < 1622597715 117782 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622597731 404022 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure it loses the content-type but why would you download something without knowing what it is?.. < 1622598002 754058 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :why would you use md5 for anything new in the year 2021? < 1622598068 24047 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why not? < 1622598100 656298 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :because it's extremely broken as far as cryptographic properties go, and if you don't need those properties there are better (mainly, faster) hash functions you can use < 1622598126 921220 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a hash sum of a file < 1622598134 93223 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not a password < 1622598160 264385 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's easy to generate pairs of files with the same md5 sum < 1622598161 452068 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it's a public bucket < 1622598174 928933 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :this might be only a nuisance in your use case and not a security concern, but it's still easy to avoid < 1622598181 584754 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a public file storage -- what is the scenario of generating pairs of files? < 1622598218 760819 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is just no use case for which md5 is the best choice < 1622598232 811590 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one < 1622598233 122988 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :except legacy systems < 1622598237 637585 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1622598249 616471 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :use sha256 and you won't need to worry about collisions (at least for the time being) < 1622598264 947898 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is paranoidal < 1622598278 726321 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how many files you should upload to get a collision? < 1622598286 175715 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :only two if it's deliberate < 1622598295 691712 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is paranoidal < 1622598296 818482 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think a generation of programmers was taught that "hash function" is synonymous with "md5" and they will never upgrade to something not broken < 1622598300 5774 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well < 1622598317 361982 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's no reason to use the broken thing when non-broken things exist that are better in every way < 1622598319 785716 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree that you shouldn't use MD5 hashes to identify files; there are better hashes such as SHA-3 < 1622598325 920082 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :just having md5 code in your codebase is a risk < 1622598335 408315 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :"oh we aren't using these for cryptographic purposes, it's fine" < 1622598337 663232 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :...years later... < 1622598349 54463 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's the reason to select custom hash function for a bucket that I will upload a thousand of files in my whole life to? < 1622598353 601499 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :"custom"? < 1622598359 440853 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in what way is SHA256 more "custom" than MD5 < 1622598371 650929 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are both standards available in every modern hash function library < 1622598381 322923 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in what way md5 is more custom than sha256? < 1622598385 325769 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you just got it in your brain that MD5 is "the" hash function < 1622598388 265070 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that's wrong < 1622598393 715899 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and reveals you to be severely behind the times < 1622598399 982093 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you are angry on your own fantasies < 1622598400 486722 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fossil uses MD5, but not to identify files. Rather, each deck ends with a Z card which has the MD5 hash of all preceding cards, and then the resulting deck is identified by the SHA-1 or SHA3-256 hash of the entire deck including the Z card. < 1622598414 320715 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fantasies that someone is stupid enough to not know about hash functions < 1622598429 486571 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :angry without understanding the use case < 1622598438 348455 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i've made my case and you choose not to understand it < 1622598439 415124 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's fine < 1622598442 538157 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm going to eat pizza now so ttyl < 1622598462 818089 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you are just saying random trivia that is not applicable < 1622598498 483838 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wasting attention on inexisting problem < 1622598538 159348 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some protocols require MD5, such as the HTTP auth < 1622598680 959404 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I must be using the HTTP auth because I'm from a "generation of programmers was taught that "hash function" is synonymous with "md5"" < 1622598701 292430 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and probably my empty bucket will be used for a Mars mission < 1622598726 352691 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even if you are, that doesn't mean that MD5 should also be used for other purposes too < 1622598731 708976 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree with the "there's no valid use case for MD5 except where it's required for interoperability" case. Libraries will eventually stop offering it as a choice; that's a good enough reason to not to pick it even when the choice would be otherwise arbitrary. < 1622598773 990299 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but where did I say that I should use md5 everywhere? it's just a way I index files in my bucket that I don't even immediately use < 1622598873 560064 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but why'd you choose it < 1622598878 79413 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :when it's known to be broken < 1622598884 532534 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you could choose something not known to be broken, with zero downside? < 1622598894 82956 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you won't be even able to make me a problem because you don't have an Upload access to the bucket < 1622598913 250401 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's broken only in your fantasies < 1622598931 411185 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact I'll never have an issue with this bucket and script < 1622598959 802624 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :MD5 hashes are also shorter than SHA-1 hashes or SHA3-256 hashes < 1622598966 64981 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that may be, but there is still no reason to choose the broken thing < 1622598988 910027 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is no more sense in chosing another hash function for my bucket than in using Pi as 3.14 and a million of digits after . < 1622599035 53947 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38 and it might be a reason to use it because it's an utl to a file -- it's good when it's short < 1622599042 223205 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*url > 1622599052 875250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Typeform14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83826 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+273) 10creating page with language idea < 1622599066 11918 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, but you could shorten it by using base64 instead of hex, or something like that < 1622599149 285879 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :using md5 is shoddy engineering that reveals you don't really care about doing things right, even if it doesn't cause any immediate practical issue in this particular application < 1622599154 703666 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's all < 1622599157 352238 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you disagree that's fine < 1622599164 503187 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's no reason for me to keep stating this < 1622599241 441856 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean if being short is all that matters why not crc32? < 1622599254 571428 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i didn't mean to shit on your accomplishment but i guess we both got confrontational about it < 1622599269 467040 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :CRC-32 is probably way too short for that, collisions are too likely even if accidentally < 1622599270 483732 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, 32 bits is short enough to worry about even accidental collisions < 1622599275 729642 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :good point < 1622599279 203426 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, context matters < 1622599284 614614 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38 the "/" char would create a folders in bucket tree for no reason; also I like how hex looks < 1622599346 51836 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1622599349 695757 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm surprised base62 is used so little. I guess it's because you can usually find at least two more safe characters, like the URL-safe variant's _- pair. < 1622599350 153262 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: You can use a variant of base64 with different characters in use < 1622599412 320237 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38 adding some custom library dependency to my script... < 1622599460 557927 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a lot more annoying to implement when the base is not a power of 2 < 1622599462 733052 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe my stdlib even has base64, still it's overcomplicating things for no real purpose < 1622599470 107415 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean base62 < 1622599600 946934 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, right before starting making the script I googled the length of crc32 and md5 < 1622599641 193886 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and make a choice between them < 1622599844 526992 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, maybe HackEso's `paste should have used a hash function for the file name for deduplication purposes... but then it'd have to rename the file after the fact, because it needs to (really *only*) work for non-seekable inputs. < 1622599851 717084 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's probably not worth it. There are a total of four pastes that have been pasted twice, and a single paste (unsurprisingly, the empty file) that has been pasted 7 times. < 1622599866 756665 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think people have been cleaning up that directory every now and then though. < 1622600077 653556 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can any newer hashing algorithms which have a secondary hash starting at a different offset and then add that hash at the end of the data when computing the primary hash? (e.g. similar to having H(X||H("0"||X)) although you can do other things such as having different parameters for the secondary hash, or adding the length differently, etc) < 1622600079 291033 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this reminds me how people love to play in an echo chamber about "regexes can't parse HTML/XML" < 1622600120 754530 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because it's easier and funnier to be in an echo chamber than learn that some regex engines support recursion and parse HTML/XLS with no issues < 1622600146 845581 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622600201 819065 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :living in imaginary world where they've learned some "rules" of how things work and can't be assed to learn more < 1622600443 870734 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622600739 627072 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :cd < 1622600960 86189 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd argue said regexes are not regexes < 1622600967 919694 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :because regex refers to... regular expressions < 1622600981 307992 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead they're regex-flavored programming languages because pain :) < 1622601131 248289 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1622601176 132780 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN :#esolangs < 1622601435 884034 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622601711 797780 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1622601859 329914 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1622601872 98536 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it just depends on how you define the word "regex" < 1622601957 669672 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also the question of whether you *should* try to parse HTML/XML with such grotesquely-extended regex engines even though you *can* < 1622601969 436642 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this is #esolangs so I guess the answer to that one is affirmative :) < 1622602002 632499 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :regardless, attempting to do anything tree-shaped with a regex is usually a sign that you're doing it wrong and should consider a different approach < 1622602036 72121 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I've ever come across a purported XML-munching regular expression that'd deal with , even though it's certainly possible. < 1622602926 824448 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :computational linguists are so pedantic < 1622602999 15772 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622603018 172178 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moon < 1622603118 547309 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thinking they can proscribe what regular expressions are - they should be studying how real groups of people _use_ regexes and simple describe < 1622603309 496949 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that's (supposed) to be a joke, just in case anyone strongly disagrees, or worse, agrees) < 1622603315 822724 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1622603318 836407 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wasn't totally sure ;) < 1622603332 903097 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think descriptive computer languages theory is a good idea though! < 1622603366 496487 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's definitely something people do < 1622603378 211011 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :take popular ad-hoc features and try to formalize them < 1622603405 376214 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@wn proscribe < 1622603407 245700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :*** "proscribe" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1622603409 271771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :proscribe < 1622603411 253343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : v 1: command against; "I forbid you to call me late at night"; < 1622603413 259376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : "Mother vetoed the trip to the chocolate store"; "Dad nixed < 1622603415 256446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : our plans" [syn: {forbid}, {prohibit}, {interdict}, < 1622603417 347799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : {proscribe}, {veto}, {disallow}, {nix}] [ant: {allow}, < 1622603419 259483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : {countenance}, {let}, {permit}] < 1622603494 681124 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ugh, I used the wrong word: prescribe I meant. < 1622603557 471207 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's "inflammable" all over again < 1622603583 357390 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :can lambdabot adjust line width? < 1622603602 152019 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1622603622 386923 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It feels like there could be a joke in there. I wish I'd done it deliberately. You can't proscribe what word I use to mean x ... or something < 1622603625 679963 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :needs some regexes < 1622604113 960091 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1622604156 349252 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine that at the time you were learning programming people naming 10 random languages were not naming those that they would name today http://www.softpanorama.org/Bulletin/Humor/how_programmers_hunt_elephants.shtml < 1622604159 122528 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :except C < 1622604188 374041 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :even 12 < 1622604257 893971 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm half of them sound like dbms though < 1622604328 549072 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622604336 234741 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1622604393 906122 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1622604453 484296 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :two other lists can be found on this page http://www.softpanorama.org/Lang/programming_languages_humor.shtml > 1622604698 548545 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Goglesq 5* 10New user account < 1622604871 567622 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622605051 751354 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :half of text on this page is written before my birth I guess < 1622605152 529060 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1622605539 256808 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83827&oldid=83815 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+247) 10 > 1622605796 26966 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83828&oldid=83765 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+14) 10 < 1622605932 738719 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esolangs < 1622605991 550077 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622606292 503052 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622606469 463942 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :? discriptive linguistics > 1622607125 148104 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83829 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+1955) 10Created page with "NScript is a basic esoteric language designed to be at least somewhat unique. NScript has a couple nicknames by the creator: NS, NoahScript NS has plenty of flexibility and ha..." < 1622607434 92223 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622607696 14059 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1622608448 516364 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs > 1622608504 609943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83830&oldid=83829 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+2115) 10 > 1622608627 215160 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83831&oldid=83830 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+0) 10 < 1622608724 554120 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622609413 560669 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622609712 499799 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622610515 82475 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622610771 3983 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1622612219 345052 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622612489 225170 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1622612636 993393 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622613062 115781 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it German? can anyone read it? https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~301174~90071678:Statistical-Table--Evangelisch---Lu?sort=pub_list_no_initialsort%2Cpub_list_no_initialsort%2Cpub_date%2Cpub_date&qvq=q:pub_title%3D%22Atlas%20der%20Evangelisch%20-%20Lutherischen%20Gemeinen%20in%20Russland.%20St.%20Petersburg.%20Buchdruckere < 1622613062 245226 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :i%20der%20Kaiserlichen%20Akademie%20der%20Wissenschaften.%201855.%22;sort:pub_list_no_initialsort%2Cpub_list_no_initialsort%2Cpub_date%2Cpub_date;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=12&trs=13 < 1622613110 227824 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :shorter link: https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~301174~90071678:Statistical-Table--Evangelisch---Lu < 1622613252 763268 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622613375 998982 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought I recognised 'soul' in Seelenzabl -- which seems to be "soul count" < 1622613382 425356 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a religious census? < 1622613427 774104 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :4394 souls per priest < 1622613519 513416 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's stats appendix pages to maps, it's the last page of stats and others are pages per guberniya < 1622613555 63852 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :on this page I wonder what the biggest titles say < 1622613575 513123 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"souls per priest" -- interesting < 1622613624 833739 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, 'zahl', as in zahlen ℤ < 1622613630 911478 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the final thing is "summary of all consistorial districts in russia" < 1622613764 655637 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The total number of souls in lutheran settlements in Russia for the time from 1853 to 1854, amounts to < 1622613860 218890 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622613970 995576 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1622613977 466207 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Евангелическо-лютеранская церковь в России, Украине, в Казахстане и Средней Азии is a thing it seems < 1622614094 403170 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :reminds me -- does Google home exist in Russia? I was yelling at my Google home in frustration trying to listen to specific Russian soundtrack music that it played to me first and I wanted to hear again < 1622614097 182896 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN :#esolangs < 1622614124 115680 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1622614147 684120 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there should be a town Melitopol somewhere on the right page here, I can't find it: https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~301173~90071677:Statistical-Table--Evangelisch---Lu < 1622614178 752449 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :after ages of tweaking settings I got it to correctly recognise me saying 'поход' and it was spelled correctly on screen, then it's spin a bit and convert it to some silly English word and play me random stuff based on that < 1622614179 126233 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the right side is Tavricheskaya Gubernya that is this region https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%83%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4 < 1622614191 693474 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the yellow one) < 1622614270 498728 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx not sure, but Russian analogue is from Yandex, called Yandex Alisa or something -- it's a name of the voice driven assistant < 1622614277 301677 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm trying to match that with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland < 1622614297 280343 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx https://yandex.ru/alice/smart-home < 1622614362 402928 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e not sure what you mean, that's 1500km away < 1622614406 413810 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if you mean the administrative division then the analogue would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland_Governorate < 1622614463 587200 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so yeah, this is the proper link to the right page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurida_Governorate -- you see there is "Melitopolsky Uyezd (Melitopol – Мелитополь)" in wikipedia article < 1622614670 550708 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's here in the middle https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~301169~90071673:Die-Kolonien-in-den-Gouvernements-J < 1622614829 95536 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622614904 143246 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting, I have one of those JBL speakers that work with the Yandex assisant. The vague non-committal Google messages make some sense now if the Russian market is already covered. It's like they'd started trying to support it years ago but not bothered getting over the line, unlike other languages(/markets) < 1622614908 429795 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's outside of the red regions, so it's not part of the statistics < 1622614980 780714 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e that's weird, it's the center of Melitopolsky Uyezd < 1622615008 16374 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah those green and red regions don't make sense to me < 1622615029 902086 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :red = protestant/lutheran, yellow = catholic; your statistics were for lutheran areas. < 1622615096 8492 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1622615111 680451 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh you mean the map author only provided stats for regions that were relevant to him? < 1622615111 835896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :your statistics are lutheran souls, so... yeah.. Melitopol would not be included < 1622615129 292518 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought those are just population charts and have to include all the biggest towns < 1622615164 966910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah I think it's just people associated with the church, not the whole population. < 1622615177 877156 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, thanks < 1622615218 360138 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Take the number for Moscow: 8251 people in 1853... < 1622615238 956908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Surely that was a fairly small part of the population. < 1622615305 726920 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx from some points of view it's harder for Google to compete in Russia because Yandex was the first Web Search engine, a year before Google, and all the technologies then were built in parallel but Google has no clue in Russian language so the indexing, ranking and stuff is hard for them < 1622615339 360402 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or "the first morphological search", I don't remember the details < 1622615367 353878 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :companies are technologically nearly equal, Google is just bigger < 1622615394 958029 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :proportionally to US economical size < 1622615406 712303 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_(virtual_assistant) has interesting comments about Russian speech recognition complexity too < 1622615448 86511 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622615455 96910 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e yeah but I would sudgest those numbers to be in thousands; then 8mln would be too much for that year, yeah < 1622615483 486617 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx Alisa is one of the services that is a lot ahead of Google's Assistant < 1622615547 721731 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :google Assistant can set a timer and tell a weather, Alisa at that time was doing relevant jokes, sarcasm, had a mood, was learning your conversation habits, etc. < 1622615604 260550 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: nah, these are pretty surely raw numbers, single souls. < 1622615650 844105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, I realize I mistranslated "Gemeinen" - these are communes. < 1622615811 170569 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh now it makes sense, int-e here is the first page of the book: https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~301163~90071667:Title-and-Index-Page--Atlas-der-Eva < 1622615851 518050 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting, the book in German was published in Peterburg < 1622615886 739205 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1622616067 72900 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622616321 89639 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1622616539 49899 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx basically because Yandex is much smaller it's easier to get things done; i.e. to make a prototype of such thing like Alisa it takes a team of guy with ideas, a mobile app dev, NLP guy, audio recognition guy -- they are all working within the same building and can gather for a meeting or a dinner in 5-10 minutes < 1622617517 883084 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esolangs > 1622617727 508599 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Polyglot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83832&oldid=40598 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+485) 10 > 1622617739 473921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Polyglot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83833&oldid=83832 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+1) 10 < 1622617804 962089 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622618082 85649 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1622618768 90178 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622618894 593205 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622619021 8998 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1622619719 538151 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622620010 546971 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622620305 57878 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" i don't play many games but when i do it's often because they are mentioned here" => yes, that helps, people here often give good recommendations < 1622620317 157331 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622620325 766543 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" I think now half my games are those which were mentioned here :D" => by people other than you? < 1622620341 237053 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Client Quit < 1622620387 357699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://twitter.com/d_feldman/status/1399951777051598849 < 1622620773 330623 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :why dont we get about/esolangs cloaks < 1622620788 22315 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :by registering as a community < 1622620942 245513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :AIUI fizzie has mailed staff about it < 1622620979 493955 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: we're in the queue < 1622621041 527217 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1622621081 654012 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :See also https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future < 1622621192 417760 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: one of the last steps to make the move to libera/#esolangs official will be to edit https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal to say "official home" again. I didn't dare to do that, but if you wish, you can now. < 1622621245 674334 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :putting it in the official password of the month was a good move too < 1622621276 729772 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seemed topical and simultaneously appropriate for the meme < 1622621290 852413 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm < 1622621294 674187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1622621304 224305 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was considering "dvd demagnetizer" as the password, but this is better < 1622621368 551996 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1622621392 661108 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the "normal" page of the map like this https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~285423~90057692# has the link "View in Georeferencerer" but then I don't see a way to get from the georeferencerer back to normal page, that is vital because it has the Export button... I opened like 100 maps via Georeferencerer map navigation and see < 1622621392 839884 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no way to now export what I need... < 1622621577 541442 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN :#esolangs < 1622621611 311675 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :`password < 1622621612 690440 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ffklwnqmpoyfcqh < 1622621632 228878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`' river < 1622621633 196905 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :188) vorpal: a lot of people in AK fly quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P being an AK resident is a lot more complex than a driver's license too < 1622621635 848685 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? password < 1622621640 96000 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The password of the month is moving to Libera Chat. < 1622624661 560978 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(found it, there is a hyperlink "Website") < 1622625089 131480 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :iirc, i learned about df here < 1622625118 432686 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Dwarf Fortress or the unix command < 1622625131 281089 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` df -h < 1622625132 677943 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on \ none 24G 16G 6.5G 72% /bin \ none 997M 0 997M 0% /dev \ none 24G 16G 6.5G 72% /lib \ tmpfs 124M 0 124M 0% /tmp \ none 24G 16G 6.5G 72% /usr \ none 24G 16G 6.5G 72% /sbin \ none 24G 16G 6.5G 72% /lib64 \ none 24G 16G 6.5G 72% /hackenv \ none 24G 16G 6.5G 72% /hac < 1622625135 818473 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1622625158 885317 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm struggling to find a direct treatment of the orientability of a disk -- seems like it should be pretty straightforward, but the fact I can't find any clear statements about it has me confused. Everyone talks endlessly about Mobius strips and more complex objeccts < 1622625180 301008 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: the game would be my guess :) < 1622625181 622081 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dwarf fortress < 1622625188 965197 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :best game i ever played < 1622625194 262964 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mmmmm < 1622625222 798721 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Speaking of which: < 1622625224 28715 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :10:13 [libera] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.libera.chat)- The #esolangs namespace is registered to the esolangs project < 1622625227 287487 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :10:13 [libera] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.libera.chat)- Public contacts: int-e, fizzie < 1622625235 747367 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's just gone through. < 1622625246 188784 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN :#esolangs < 1622625271 968658 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't know how to *actually* manage cloaks, though, even though we now have that namespace.) < 1622625341 870925 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool! < 1622625380 881747 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Optional cloaks are available for members. These replace the hostname part with @about/yourcommunity/username, and can be requested on #libera-communities." < 1622625407 427494 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that doesn't seem to be the way :P < 1622625438 215909 :FireFly!firefly@user/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you can just ask a friendly local staffer < 1622625467 212653 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would like an esolangs cloak < 1622625826 61246 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know some projects have some kind of a policy about cloaks; I don't know what ours should be. Maybe discuss on the wiki? I'll post an update on the talk page in a minute that it's now registered. < 1622625846 36879 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LiberaCloaks "To avoid overwhelming libera.chat staff, we are only issuing cloaks in batches." Yeah, sounds like it's probably just an ask-a-staffer thing; and also makes sense to collect them into a batch rather than bother the staff one-by-one. < 1622625860 164278 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not that I think our community is quite as populous, but still. < 1622625869 799145 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ftr I don't want a cloak < 1622625917 883867 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like my hostname, and I don't want to give any of math, haskell, or esolangs any particular preference < 1622625928 572237 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know about myself, but I think my bots could do with one. Or at least fungot. If it's not "about/esolangs/...", I don't know what is. < 1622625928 773358 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: time to shove off! the name's bandeau. here to build the ocean palace! and if you wish! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we no can call that the chrono trigger. it is r66-y? cool? who knows what would become of my mystics? i must win! < 1622625985 800598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot and hackeso make sense to me. though hackeso wants a short hostmask so it's a tradeoff < 1622625985 928234 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it's time you jumped off this mortal coil... well? yes no < 1622626032 119597 :FireFly!firefly@user/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh in order to allow for as long message lines as possible? < 1622626035 268671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the esolangs bot of course < 1622626037 292033 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: yes < 1622626045 508852 :FireFly!firefly@user/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh < 1622626523 759625 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I guess the policy could be something like having a wiki account with known corresponding IRC nick? < 1622626547 867229 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that's approximately what I'm writing up in the next window over to that initial comment. :) < 1622626579 661065 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :We shoiuld get ais523 over here. < 1622626601 760826 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: ignored > 1622626601 760875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: Ignore list: freenode/V freenode/shachaf libera/Sgeo libera/Soni libera/V libera/cd libera/int-e libera/shachaf < 1622626654 448887 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh he's registered. I temporarily forgot that he's adopted a ninja style for entering the channel in the past year or so... < 1622626685 556523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...so it's probably really just a matter of having logs :) < 1622626705 53164 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I did in fact have a quick chat with him about this channel; he said he'll likely be continuing the thing of mostly reading via logs and then dropping by if there's anything particularly interesting. > 1622627256 263399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83834&oldid=83499 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+2025) 10/* Libera.Chat community and cloaks */ new section < 1622627477 928938 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1622627743 139471 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83835&oldid=83619 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+115) 10/* IRC */ Insert the word "official". < 1622628861 782379 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esolangs < 1622629187 684159 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN :#esolangs < 1622629239 957145 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: be careful, I think the cloak would be longer than the bots' current hostname. if you want to request a cloak for them, at least consider that. < 1622629283 852163 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, int-e pointed that out too, I see it in the losg < 1622629331 310740 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, it was brought up. I still think it's worth it (in terms of the length limit not being *usually* a problem), but it's a scow that you have to make such a tradeoff. < 1622629433 406243 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" We shoiuld get ais523 over here." => he was here in the sense that he joined the channel on libera at least once; otherwise he generally logreads and joins only when needed < 1622629459 263664 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it should not be a problem for bot -- he doesn't see own messages < 1622629511 685596 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: if you want an actually shorter hostname, you may be able to get one, because unaffiliated cloaks are now shorter\ < 1622629524 956435 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they start with user/ instead of unaffiliated/ < 1622629532 689299 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if there is a bot that makes daily RSS from IRC logs < 1622629548 163855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode ais < 1622629549 203591 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+FEFF ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE] [U+0073 LATIN SMALL LETTER S] < 1622629566 126022 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, there's that. But these specific bots *are* so "about/esolangs", it'd be nice to keep it in. < 1622629586 427573 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(funny, xterm displays a box for that U+FEFF thing) < 1622629598 627040 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"about/esolangs/bot/botname" is 19+length("botname") characters; anything I run off the wiki server would otherwise be "techne.zem.fi" (unless I want to play with the reverse DNS) which is only 13. So that's a net loss of 13, for the obvious 7-character bot names. < 1622629613 411613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(overlayed on the i) < 1622629624 368535 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do we know who runs the tunes.org logs and whether they could join the bot here? < 1622629642 759880 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a backup set of logs might be nice < 1622629664 86887 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or if kspalaiologos wants to restart their logs, that could work too < 1622629702 287740 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: they're about esolangs, but I don't see why the irc hostmust has to say that, rather than saying that elsewhere < 1622629705 208367 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually website hosted logs can easily have RSS format < 1622629743 968024 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, having 10 last days items (excluding current day that isn't yet ready) < 1622629749 785929 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean I can see some use of the hostmask for network services and IRCops for security reasons so that anyone can quickly verify that a message is from a real IRCop or service < 1622629817 871812 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but for just HackEso or esolangs or fungоt that's less important < 1622629834 646937 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least fungot's current host"name" of "2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a" (22 characters) is only moderately shorter than "about/esolangs/bot/fungot" (25). I haven't asked if my ISP would be interested in delegating the relevant ip6.arpa zone, but given that they're your typical end-user/consumer/residential ISP, I feel like probably not. I've only had two ISPs so far who've been willing to do that. < 1622629834 750207 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: but cyrus! are you leaving! < 1622629895 279968 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, fungоt doesn't run on the same server as esolangs and HackEso or at least a neighboring one? < 1622629915 300407 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, I run it at home. Less mission-critical, y'see. < 1622629919 693755 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes sense < 1622629944 970491 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't currently have an always-on machine, but perhaps I should still make logs on my often-on home machine < 1622629984 166762 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not willing to run any evalbot, I decided that's a security problem that I'm not willing to tackle in the near future, but just making an IRC connection with logs can work < 1622630016 706988 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it may still be useful even if it's off like one day every two weeks and possibly shorter interruptions from irc server disconnects or network outages < 1622630048 580214 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also I don't want to abuse the donated resources esolangs.org has, our hosting provider's really sponsoring the wiki rather than "everything tangentially related to the wiki". < 1622630049 996709 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :only I don't have a fixed IP address, so I'd have to set up something to point there if I want to make the logs public < 1622630065 399941 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: oh! I didn't know it was donated < 1622630075 398611 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, nobody pays for it. < 1622630098 884093 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, I imagine a single tiny VPS is really a rounding error for a proper cloud provider, but still. < 1622630182 947587 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, I just didn't know it was donated < 1622630223 838531 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there like a banner thanking them on the esowiki main page or something? < 1622630226 232454 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see one < 1622630232 195929 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's at the bottom. < 1622630240 463155 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The tiny little ":bytemark" one. < 1622630251 454433 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah I see < 1622630268 805655 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And also a brief mention at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:About actually. < 1622630274 551791 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it also has the new Mediawiki icon rather than the old sunflower < 1622630292 756108 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my "evalbot" costs 0$, it's within free GCP tier < 1622630316 150221 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh nice, the Bytemark banner leads to a 404 page < 1622630328 749572 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, looks like Bytemark removed those /r/... URLs, so our backlinks to their website are now 404s. < 1622630338 660790 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I doubt we've been generating much traffic there either. < 1622630402 288358 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, it just, you know, makes an internet host provider unprofessional when they break their links < 1622630430 671763 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not 100% sure it ever worked. ;) < 1622630498 335441 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :reminds me some IBM technology that our bank used... forgot how it was called < 1622630553 958564 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was about superfast and reliable server mirroring < 1622630604 383859 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :their webpage sais it's super reliable and the link "read more" just leads to a page with server error < 1622630623 577427 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Server unavailable IIRC < 1622630674 463818 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://web.archive.org/web/20180119185751/https://www.bytemark.co.uk/r/esolangs says it did work at some point < 1622630682 801064 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1622630749 433035 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mhm. With a proper GA ?utm_source=... param too. I'd be interested in seeing the stats of that campaign. :) < 1622630846 464683 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn, can't find the link < 1622630945 610656 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the technology kind of really worked but servers were failing once in few months and it needed a day to relaunch/sync it after a crash and so it was really possible that two could fail at the same time < 1622630983 653839 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we didn't buy the third server because they costed several mln $ < 1622631171 614971 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's funny how things there were at the same time ridiculously expensive and unreliable < 1622631204 504032 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially considering that if bank stops operating for several hours it loses government license < 1622631470 358714 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I guess I found it: "MIMIX -- Availability protects your business from downtime and data loss. Data, applications and critical system information are replicated in real ." ... https://www.ibm.com/partnerworld/public/404-page-error?solution=11871 < 1622631509 489798 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean https://www.ibm.com/partnerworld/gsd/solutiondetails.do?solution=11871 -- you'll redirect > 1622631912 576806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:IRC cloaks14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83836 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+2290) 10Actually, let's just create this one as a placeholder, it's not like it costs money. > 1622632131 283387 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83837&oldid=83834 5* 03Fizzie 5* (-13) 10/* Libera.Chat community and cloaks */ Fix link. < 1622632405 670273 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622633638 656954 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genus_g_surface says: "A non-orientable surface of genus zero is the disc." That sounded interesting, but I'm so far from finding a proof or even a clear statement of how, that I'm beginning to doubt it's true. Anyone here know or can justify it? < 1622633686 247166 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't know this math < 1622633763 160510 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :> Let M be a connected topological n-manifold. There are several possible definitions of what it means for M to be orientable. Some of these definitions require that M has extra structure, like being differentiable. Occasionally, n = 0 must be made into a special case. When more than one of these definitions applies to M, then M is orientable under one definition if and only if it is orientable under the others.[2][3] < 1622633765 15402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:85: error: parse error on input ‘of’ < 1622633990 668179 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1622634120 861542 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :> Theorem 3.2. A closed and connected surface is non-orientable if and only if it contains a M¨obius strip. < 1622634122 665651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:106: error: < 1622634122 754709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1622634142 415891 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a bit weird to think how a disk with boundry contains a mobius strip < 1622634169 773156 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess that if you travel "off" the disk you bounce back, flipped < 1622634211 359185 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the disk is equivalent to the 2d projective plane? < 1622634214 114306 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, that's what I have been thinking, this n=o disc feels like it must be a special case, because I can prettty much follow any higher n argument, which are easy enough to find. If a disc/disk is a special case, I would have thought someone would deal with explicitly and set out what definitions and conditions apply < 1622634242 717447 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/308804/homeomorphism-between-real-projective-plane-and-disc < 1622634275 984360 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that's what I though must apply, a disk must be in some sense homeomorphic to a mobius strip and the projective plane minus a point, but I can't see that < 1622634276 342321 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it's easier to understand that RP^2 is non-orientable < 1622634278 669065 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN :#esolangs < 1622634293 901736 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :minus a point? < 1622634304 374914 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1622634312 303350 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :X = D/~ where ~ identifies antipodal points < 1622634314 142203 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry! with a hole! < 1622634345 167676 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mobius strip is homeomorphic to the projective plane with a hole < 1622634347 214227 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1622634353 316534 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :X = D/~ where ~ identifies antipodal points *on the boundary of D* < 1622634363 808884 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting < 1622634370 706066 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, this aligns with the theorem posted < 1622634375 314699 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :"contains a mobius strip" < 1622634390 89885 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://math.uchicago.edu/~may/REU2016/REUPapers/Zhang,Y.pdf 3.2 on pg 4 < 1622634412 930780 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :when these topologists are informally saying "a disk" I guess they mean something quite specific < 1622634429 875283 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :where the antipodal points of the boundary are identified? < 1622634447 105480 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can see why that is non-orientable < 1622634450 763878 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :intuitively < 1622634494 890286 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that detail is not stated on wikipedia < 1622634754 394807 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks, that paper looks interesting -- the se question has me confused with the different commentators talking about whether D is a ball of sphere, and the qn looks like it was edited at some point, but that's par for se < 1622634768 79996 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I think the original question was mistitled < 1622634770 539835 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so they fixed that < 1622634845 470127 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks for seeing the antipodal points thing, I was stuck in an unproductive search spiral, that looks like a detail that will help make some sense of what they meant < 1622634969 254703 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A mobius strip is described in various places as the most simple non-orientable surface -- a standard disk sounds more simple than that, so it didn't make sense that it was non-orientable unless there was something else going on < 1622635555 290554 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :From the Zhang paper: "RP² is in essence a disk with boundary sewed diametrically." < 1622635585 491230 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN :#esolangs > 1622635619 531053 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83838&oldid=83831 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+73) 10Categories < 1622636278 481468 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That se accepted answer does make sense now, and they are talking about a disk with a very specific boundary, which they are clear about, and that is homeomorphic to RP², and also non-orientable. < 1622636352 4511 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: thanks! That was causing me undue mental anguish, all from taking wikipedia a bit too seriously. < 1622636528 915895 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ideally someone should fix this on wikipedia < 1622636680 385207 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was just trying to confirm what the correction should be "A non-orientable surface of genus zero is the projective plane." seems like the correct verison > 1622636772 927633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEWNN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83839&oldid=83823 5* 03ResU 5* (+102) 10 < 1622636967 501727 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, that's not right, RP² is genus 1 > 1622637047 549415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEWNN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83840&oldid=83839 5* 03ResU 5* (+23) 10 < 1622637462 184608 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1622637627 689515 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN :#esolangs > 1622637759 711772 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Otesunki 5* 10New user account > 1622637944 329580 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83841&oldid=83827 5* 03Otesunki 5* (+202) 10 > 1622637959 465995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83842&oldid=83818 5* 03Otesunki 5* (+2) 10The demonstration for vector lists is actually kinda wonk and incorrect < 1622638033 870592 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1622638049 759726 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN :#esolangs > 1622638100 660379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEWNN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83843&oldid=83840 5* 03ResU 5* (-29) 10/* Hello World */ < 1622638779 451000 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm going to call it here: there is no "non-orientable surface of genus zero" -- non-orientable surfaces must contain a mobius strip (genus 1) , can't find a reference, but surely a lower genus surface can't contain a higher one (otherwise it would be classified with the higher n) < 1622638933 137635 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This started off as an esolang related investigation I swear -- looking into describing a fungeoid playfield that is a n-holed torus rather than just a torus like Befunge and RASEL > 1622639164 526055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83844&oldid=82672 5* 03ResU 5* (+90) 10 > 1622639275 184835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83845&oldid=83844 5* 03ResU 5* (+14) 10/* AEWNN */ < 1622640033 848867 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed > 1622640143 680979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83846&oldid=83721 5* 03Batata 5* (+55) 10 > 1622640159 307603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83847&oldid=83846 5* 03Batata 5* (+20) 10 > 1622640168 958913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83848&oldid=83847 5* 03Batata 5* (+1) 10 < 1622640459 697539 :Guest28!~Guest28@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622640633 107497 :Guest28!~Guest28@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just confirming the Libera official browser client is Kiwi chat. It is. Hope this hasn't messed up my existing kc stored settings. < 1622640649 549029 :Guest28!~Guest28@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Client Quit < 1622640686 22803 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622640764 411649 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest28: the official browser client is https://web.libera.chat/ . I think you have to set your settings again, because it's a separate instance from the one in https://kiwiirc.com/ . < 1622640789 314925 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine that was in fact the desired outcome here? < 1622640808 587851 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(As in, not affecting the settings of the non-branded Kiwi.) < 1622640825 903667 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If it's client-side settings, I rather imagine the web's origin-based security model is going to enforce that anyway. < 1622640826 170629 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, you could still use the one at https://kiwiirc.com/ since it handles connections to multiple networks together < 1622640887 926302 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yes, that was me. non branded kiwi settings are fine < 1622640904 286988 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The IP was a bit of a giveaway. < 1622640920 797843 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah, that's annoying. < 1622640934 107194 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just saw an announcement on http://subversion.apache.org/ that their official irc presence (I don't think they are actually too much present there) is on libera now < 1622640940 148 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Especially since it lined up, what with length "salpynx" == length "Guest28" and consecutive quit/join.) < 1622640952 775260 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does the cloak thing help with that? Not that I'm that worries (it's too late anyway) < 1622640965 355253 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice, this one is official for esolangs now < 1622640991 940941 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Android just made no channel or network official, by removing all mention of IRC from the support page. < 1622641017 574871 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(freenode's #android-dev used to be mentioned there, though really it didn't have any *other* sort of official status except for the mention.) < 1622641019 544188 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was wondering is there any kind of semi-reasonable paranoia justified for using the kiwiiirc given all the freenet concerns about data. < 1622641050 580026 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :freenode, it;s late, I need to stop and get some sleep soon < 1622641145 285022 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am using https://kiwiirc.com/ , with the multinetwork settings etc > 1622641574 49856 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEWNN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83849&oldid=83843 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-10) 10Header level < 1622641797 528601 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :regarding cloaks < 1622641798 733302 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :> once you're a group contact there's a channel you can get invited to and you request in there < 1622641800 126475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:86: error: parse error on input ‘in’ < 1622642090 278109 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1622642728 882393 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I got the impression that's the -community channel that got already mentioned. But I'll look into that once there's some initial list of cloaks people want. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Libera.Chat_community_and_cloaks / https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:IRC_cloaks for those who filter away the recent changes feed. > 1622644211 136117 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STACKOMP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83850 5* 03MartinAsdf 5* (+15366) 10Created page with "Example STACKOMP program: (logo.sk) v>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>v > rstack.....v >.p..v > p >OO d v >Smpv v ^ S p<<<<< A..." > 1622644299 370422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MartinAsdf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83851&oldid=72772 5* 03MartinAsdf 5* (+24) 10added stackomp > 1622644788 898823 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MartinAsdf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83852&oldid=83851 5* 03MartinAsdf 5* (+20) 10 < 1622644903 524973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN :#esolangs < 1622645242 580249 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1622645473 685360 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SIMPLE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83853&oldid=65700 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+259) 10Acronym < 1622647822 866360 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1622648380 716016 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83854&oldid=83838 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+47) 10/* Returning data */ > 1622648550 188736 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83855&oldid=83854 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+0) 10/* Variables */ > 1622648579 477906 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83856&oldid=83855 5* 03Goglesq 5* (-151) 10 > 1622648638 87727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83857&oldid=83856 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+3) 10/* Variables */ < 1622649541 780458 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :hd < 1622649545 524970 :hd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :cd > 1622653055 646124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tech Support Scam14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83858 5* 03CatCatDeluxe 5* (+3166) 10Created page with "Tech Support Scam is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:CatCatDeluxe]] where it sounds vaguely like you are on a phone call with a tech support scammer. Punct..." > 1622653139 645121 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:CatCatDeluxe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83859&oldid=83468 5* 03CatCatDeluxe 5* (+28) 10 < 1622653258 744292 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622654443 565247 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622654573 740907 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622655503 580759 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1622655962 784517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEWNN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83860&oldid=83849 5* 03ResU 5* (+278) 10 > 1622656101 917125 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEWNN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83861&oldid=83860 5* 03ResU 5* (+2) 10/* Cat program */ < 1622656119 2557 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622656439 487268 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN :#esolangs > 1622656597 858505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEWNN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83862&oldid=83861 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-14) 10/* Cat program */ Use pre tag > 1622656671 801043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEWNN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83863&oldid=83862 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10/* Cat program */ /* Quine */ Isn't this really a quine? < 1622657215 1901 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want to make nothing up my sleeve number by sufficiently old texts, such as "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog". What other possibilities might there be? < 1622657727 275032 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Decimals extracted from famous constants (pi, e) are kind of the conventional ones, aren't they? < 1622657781 782789 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont like nothing up my sleeve numbers < 1622657793 315680 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you want to specifically make it from well-known pieces of text... hmm, the ones that come to mind first are kind of political or religious, which you might want to avoid for obvious reasons. < 1622658022 984273 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :Alice in Wonderland? < 1622658029 257507 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :and other classics? < 1622658110 302672 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :How about: "Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul." < 1622658182 879263 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cd: not Alice I think, it doesn't have one canonical edition that you can get the text from I think < 1622658184 360547 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you need a nothing-up-your-sleeve number for an Esolang article, something about the matrix of solidity would also work. < 1622658189 274288 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN :#esolangs < 1622658195 657905 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the same is the problem with Shakespeare or Vergilius probably < 1622658281 95594 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :mathematical constants are probably better in that it's less likely that someone a few decades from now will suddenly decide that your now completely innocious text is very offensive to them and all references to it should be purged from cryptographic protocols < 1622658408 928658 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it's not easy to find anything old enough and widely distributed while still having one canonical version, unless it's something sacred like the Torah < 1622658494 165362 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another nothing-up-your-sleeve source might be something that's a matter of the public record, like past Dow Jones Industrial Average values used for geohashing. < 1622658967 911561 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The important thing is that people shouldn't have a lot of flexibility in these things. < 1622658980 283093 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :See https://bada55.cr.yp.to/ < 1622659196 57497 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :how about the dates of eclipses < 1622659242 910422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: the problem is that for anything involving cryptography, you need to know an exact value, not an approximate real, and it's not clear that exact numerical values of eclipses are canonical < 1622659265 667956 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or that you can always round them that way and don't get eclipses that happen close to where your rounding would flip a bit < 1622659286 410936 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also they're sort of periodical which might be bad < 1622659313 69939 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still the use of like fractional parts of square roots of the first primes for crypto protocols < 1622659365 57611 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622660158 109671 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622660483 810421 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622661126 121514 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622661831 601272 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622662460 671661 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.1 < 1622662652 131990 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622662678 87145 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN :#esolangs > 1622663098 866321 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83864&oldid=77847 5* 03Jedgrei 5* (-30) 10 > 1622663356 994988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83865&oldid=83864 5* 03Jedgrei 5* (-169) 10 < 1622663785 314952 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622664200 122739 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the old testament can be used as a number and has an established text-to-numer conversion < 1622664296 171090 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And of course doesn't fall into the "kind of political or religious" category at all. < 1622664389 447683 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm... I guess Greek also has established sufficiently-old numerical values for letters, so you could use e.g. the iliad < 1622664403 181654 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622664488 964461 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :tfw your cryptographic algorithm accidentally generates the true name of god < 1622664627 621014 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oren: yes, and the greek vs hebrew numbers are mostly the same for corresponding letters too < 1622664627 799252 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is that an Unsong reference or something? < 1622664970 84663 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there any French on this channel? < 1622665146 74280 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :n-holed torus funge field sounds crazy ..D < 1622665674 80008 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622665820 518507 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: no it's vaguely a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film) < 1622665956 748333 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey #esoteric community. someone recommended me the "uMatrix" plugin for Firefox browser. apparently this is similar in purpose to the NoScript plugin which I'm already using, in that it lets me configure with whatlists what scripts or other fancy webshit content webpages are allowed to load. do you have any experience with this "uMatrix" plugin, and can tell me about it, especially that one non-obvious < 1622665962 755137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hint that will save me days of suffering if I know it in advance? < 1622666321 589093 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622666532 212562 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/perlbot QUIT :Changing host < 1622666532 212607 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN :#esolangs < 1622666810 236238 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks good so far. there'll be some setup period, but that's normal for this kind of thing. < 1622666863 29311 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have not had experience with it. Does it allow scripts and stuff to be substituted, or only blocked? What about headers? (I do have an extension to deal with headers, but making it a core part of the program dealing with sending requests and retrieving responses might be better; it can extend to any protocol and allow more to be added too.) < 1622666905 818745 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :uBlock Origin FTW < 1622667002 17166 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622667053 6326 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems it only lets you allow or block stuff, not substituted, except possibly for the Referer, but how it differs from noscript seems to be that you can allow/block based on the pair of the domain of the main webpage and the domain of the requested resource, rather than only based on the requested resource like noscript does. which means I can tell it to forbid the giantitp.com forum to block loading < 1622667059 61233 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :any off-site images, because it's a stupid forum that lets any poster embed externally hosted images to their posts. and then I can override that for images loaded from particular domains. < 1622667123 655180 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and on the forum, those images will still be in the document tree and show up an empty rectangle, so I can load any one image by clicking on "view image", which makes that the main webpage, and images are allowed in general for most webpages in the default config < 1622667150 645583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: as for headers, it can specifically control cookies, and has something about Referer, I don't know about other headers < 1622667228 82956 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: the cookies are allowed or blocked based on combination of the domain of main website loaded on the tab and the domain of the nested request where the cookies would be sent < 1622667284 684903 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like it so far, but I'll of course I may encounter problems weeks into browsing with it when visiting some particular website < 1622667424 237822 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Adding the user rules of headers into the core system can also define a uniform interface for setting language, do-not-track, cookies, etc. < 1622667478 490510 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are still a few things for which I'd like a plugin (or an option in this plugin). namely firefox has a global option where it can forbid webpages to set font faces except to the four user-controllable ones (default, serif, sans-serif, monospaced), which is nice and I use it (it doesn't *quite* work as it should, if my choice of font lacks characters it will use whatever the webpage chose as a < 1622667482 762986 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For setting cookies you might also want cookies to be allowed or blocked based on their name and/or value as well, and possibly on path, not only by the domain. You might also want to override the expiry of cookies, or possibly also the values of cookies. < 1622667484 504719 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fallback font, but this is rarely relevant), but I'd like to be able to whitelist font faces per domain too < 1622667502 572170 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"giantitp.com forum" sounds like giant tit < 1622667511 305275 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would like to be able to whitelist font faces per MIME type of the document that uses the fonts. < 1622667517 716183 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I'd like something like that for line-spacing too rather than font-face. a lot of webpages could be made better if the browser just ignored line-spacing declared in CSS everywhere. < 1622667588 515669 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I also; it is one of the things that my idea of "meta-CSS" would allow to do. < 1622667613 206043 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I know I can override the individual CSS rules, and I sometimes do that, but it would be easier to just ignore the website's idea about the font-face or line-spacing (or whatever those are actually called) property no matter how it's set < 1622667641 212557 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I'll visit some of my more frequently visited websites so I can set up settings for them < 1622667759 809585 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Meta-CSS would allow to change the definition of CSS properties, including conditionally based on the selectors and other properties.) > 1622667800 705340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83866 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+1393) 10Created page with "'''Nevermind''' is a simplistic programming language made by [[User:OfficialCraftCGame|CraftCGame]] in 2021. It uses commas ('','') to separate arguments. There is no escape c..." < 1622667895 577238 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one difficulty is that, just like noscript, if a webpage immediately redirects to another domain (usually via javascript but the principle is the same if it's a HTTP redirect), it's not easy to see what was allowed/blocked in the page that did the redirect, even though that's where you would have to change the permissions < 1622667897 839628 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another of my idea is a nwe !priority CSS command that can only be specified by the end user (not by documents), which is another way to glboally override CSS even if !important is specified; you have to write !priority(0) or !priority(255) or whatever to set it. > 1622667924 340299 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83867&oldid=83828 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+16) 10Added language "Nevermind" into the list < 1622667950 710202 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Yes, I know of that, and a solution (when it is a HTTP redirect) could be to record the chain of redirects and other requests so that they can be viewed later. < 1622667995 144723 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Firefox will record the requests but only if the appropriate web developer window is open.) < 1622668017 776367 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: that's not really enough, !important already does most of what you want in that !important in user styles are higher priority than !important in page styles, > 1622668036 98094 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83868&oldid=83866 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (-8) 10Changed the caption text in the table at the "Functions" section < 1622668149 882011 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm wait. specificity of css selectors have a total order, right? is there a way to write a selector that fakes to be more specific than almost any other selector, including id selectors, but still can match whatever I want, including all elements if I choose so? if that's possible with css, I could use that to override font-face or line-spacing on a whole webpage < 1622668155 46064 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: That is true, although there is still the priority by how specific the selector is. Also, in some cases you might want to be lower priority than page styles instead. < 1622668169 781347 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, except I'm not sure if it could override the style attribute of the element too < 1622668230 974511 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :That too > 1622668255 969455 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83869&oldid=83868 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+70) 10/* Truth Machine */ Cats < 1622668602 555512 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :use Stylebot extension to override styles < 1622668694 690271 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what I'd also like is to link multiple website domains together so they're controlled by the same rules < 1622669317 999544 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You might want to match more of the URL than just the domain, too. < 1622669512 642149 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yes, there are some rare cases like taht < 1622669515 488604 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622669526 75100 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do remember a few < 1622669544 215320 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622669849 523229 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622669920 869048 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I wonder if it's worth it to enable the `chghost` capability for the logger bot, and format those messages appropriately. Guess the question is, is the simulated "Changing hostname" QUIT-and-JOIN the canonical truth or not. < 1622670449 320125 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: (didn't read entire backlog) uMatrix is great, but unfortunately gorhill has stopped development. See https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix < 1622670535 197949 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622670605 669105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :dutch: thanks < 1622670806 766734 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622671008 44152 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN :#esolangs < 1622671131 942009 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/i240ds/request_for_a_stable_umatrix_release_for_cname/g048wyk/ < 1622671446 510931 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622671454 872386 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode ∇ < 1622671456 227711 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+2207 NABLA] < 1622671467 950062 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode ∆ < 1622671468 930910 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+2206 INCREMENT] < 1622671470 560055 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1622671530 638861 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :a nable is conceptually an inverted delta, not an inverted increment < 1622671537 900550 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so why isn't there a decrement operator in Unicode? < 1622671693 332551 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I mostly follow the channel by logreading rather than idling < 1622671729 354965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yes, I should've known as I pointed out a bit later. < 1622671735 940532 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I find it funny that you are mostly logreading but join to use HackEso's unidecode command of all things < 1622671793 150799 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I understand you only did it to make a point to us < 1622671868 36311 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the other way round, actually, I was using it to *discover* that point < 1622671880 228348 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :after going through two character map applications and discovering them to both be useless < 1622671886 466248 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I started complaining, once I learned what the reality was < 1622671901 107438 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs : do we know who runs the tunes.org logs and whether they could join the bot here? ← I believe that their tunes username is part of the URL < 1622671957 296400 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"INCREMENT" just sounds wrong, everyone calls it a delta. < 1622671959 920333 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think those two triangles are a bit weird, anyway. Because ∆ is also ∇². So they're kind of related. < 1622671969 765833 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: but a delta is a different codepoint entirely < 1622671971 866338 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Language is weird. < 1622671986 245053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: *a* delta, distinct from the letter delta < 1622671988 460177 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode Δ < 1622671989 382073 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+0394 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER DELTA] < 1622671999 47824 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1622672003 36113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also distinct from the river thing < 1622672005 336242 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think of a nabla as being an upside-down Greek delta < 1622672007 150695 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but maybe it isn't? < 1622672043 566669 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just to add to the confusion, ∇ is also called "del". < 1622672071 710090 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, the question is, I have an esolang which could plausibly use ∆ as one of the spellings of the increment operator < 1622672083 714009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :distinguishing between ∆ and Δ may be the real mistake here < 1622672086 968588 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :should it have a corresponding spellng for the decrement operator? and if so, should it be a nabla? < 1622672101 418026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unicode is weird in its attempt to capture some semantics in code points. < 1622672116 616391 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is remarkably difficult to name an increment operator unambiguously < 1622672119 776307 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think *if* you're going to use a pair, ∇∆ is that pair, and don't get delta-the-letter involved. < 1622672127 50359 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I may have to resort to "+=1" and "increment" < 1622672173 201391 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :gucharmap's notes say "U+2207 NABLA = backward difference; gradient, del * used for Laplacian operator (written with superscript 2)" and "U+2206 INCREMENT = Laplace operator; forward difference; symmetric difference (in set theory) * other symbols may also be used for symmetric difference". < 1622672180 134828 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've always wondered where those extra notes are from. < 1622672181 119008 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622672216 514940 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I actually have a defined policy about these things, and if it also means "symmetric difference" (which is also a real function) it gets disallowed < 1622672234 833397 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(As in, are the notes also part of the Unicode standard / code charts or not.) < 1622672247 954332 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes things much easier < 1622672263 898421 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs : also distinct from the river thing < 1622672264 311917 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently they are, judging from https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2200.pdf < 1622672267 1394 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :what thing? < 1622672277 495738 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1. (1) delta -- (a low triangular area of alluvial deposits where a river divides before entering a larger body of water; "the Mississippi River delta"; "the Nile delta") < 1622672282 409318 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aha lol < 1622672291 158367 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, thank you for telling me what gucharmap is called, now I have an actually viable character map program :-) < 1622672293 309797 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's still in the repos) < 1622672311 346312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, ∆ and Δ even look subtly different in the `fixed` font. < 1622672340 452690 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode △▽ < 1622672341 456659 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+25B3 WHITE UP-POINTING TRIANGLE] [U+25BD WHITE DOWN-POINTING TRIANGLE] < 1622672344 507225 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :they look subtly different in my font too, but it's very subtle < 1622672350 972507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(That seems a bit unnecessary.) < 1622672351 416178 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the second one is a pixel taller, I think < 1622672353 66301 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I thought the Delta as used for ∇² was just a greek Delta used in this meaning. I don't really understand why there's a separate ∆ character for it, and probably wouldn't use it. but apparently I do have a glyph for the ∆ character in my font, which is odd because it still has too few of these math glyphs, I should add some more. < 1622672365 118182 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You could go with the WHITE UP-POINTING TRIANGLE and the WHITE DOWN-POINTING TRIANGLE, those don't seem to have any semantic baggage. < 1622672388 32885 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, one of my aims is for the language to be fast to program in and easy to read < 1622672404 993690 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I support a lot of possible names for the builtins, then normalize them into something that looks better < 1622672407 220502 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. * becoming × < 1622672427 814077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: In fixed it's not a pixel taller but the sloped lines are moved ...1/3 pixel to the sides each. < 1622672431 318503 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it seems like increment/decrement don't have any more readable and unambiguous way to write them than "increment" and "decrement" < 1622672466 240502 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode Δ∆△🛆🜂 < 1622672466 783791 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"+=1", "-=1" are also clear, but you have issues like "++" meaning append in some languages, or "--" being a comment marker < 1622672467 960118 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+0394 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER DELTA] [U+2206 INCREMENT] [U+25B3 WHITE UP-POINTING TRIANGLE] [U+1F6C6 TRIANGLE WITH ROUNDED CORNERS] [U+1F702 ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR FIRE] < 1622672473 15602 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and "+1" and "-1" look like integers < 1622672500 130070 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I should just go for "inc" and "dec", although even "dec" looks like "decimal" < 1622672519 937491 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/nabla.png < 1622672542 439768 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :All those five look pretty alike in my browser: https://zem.fi/tmp/tri.png < 1622672568 236676 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, they're obviously all different, but all triangles in a similar orientation < 1622672570 120111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(no nabla there, it's named from the final line) < 1622672580 402174 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/Gh3jd4K.png < 1622672635 652588 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: "+=1" and "-=1" look good to me, people are already used to it because that's how you write in-place increment in python and some other languages < 1622672664 908872 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I'd usually write " += 1" but the spaces clearly have no semantic value there < 1622672743 967256 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, interesting. When I use `scrot` to take a screenshot, it renders pixel-perfect in a "dumb" image viewer (say, sxiv), but it's very messily scaled when the same file is opened in a browser, even when the zoom level is set to 100%. < 1622672749 206921 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm guessing maybe scrot writes the display DPI into the PNG metadata somewhere, and then the browser tries to "correct" it for the physical size, and they disagree about that. < 1622672779 186530 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622672784 89931 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the spacing is important in this language, it tokenizes on spaces < 1622672796 135140 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it's semi-important for a user to know where the token boundaries are < 1622672807 37214 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, but here it's between tokens < 1622672816 581963 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :spaces inside tokens are important of course, that happens in many languages < 1622672820 969376 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, increment is a single token in this language, even if it's two in Python < 1622672823 53360 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Is there a `pdfinfo` equivalent for PNG files?) < 1622672868 994216 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: `less` works for basic info, as does `file` < 1622672890 317583 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently there's a pnginfo in the Ubuntu repositories < 1622672892 750822 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagemagick's `identify` command says "PNG 158x41 158x41+0+0 8-bit sRGB 1389B 0.000u 0:00.000". < 1622672916 42013 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :01-- < 1622672930 679127 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, is sRGB there a color space or specification of which color channels exist or both? < 1622672954 22380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: maybe exiftool? I don't know what pdfinfo does. or ImageMagick's identify with specific parameters such as -verbose to print everything. < 1622672959 918085 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: is there something specific you want to extract? < 1622673004 532019 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1622673017 558623 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whether there's something encoded about the physical size / resolution. But the `pnginfo` tool from the `pngtools` package says "Resolution: 0, 0 (unit unknown)". < 1622673018 252941 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1622673018 339044 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1622673027 269868 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I'm not sure why Chrome would display it scaled. < 1622673041 947669 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe because the resolution info is invalid? < 1622673043 279079 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want to see everything, I recommend (identify -verbose "$filename"; exiftool -G2 "$filename";) to see everything, < 1622673056 288653 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :which file are you talking about? < 1622673058 221333 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then once you find out what you want, there's a way to restrict either of those tools to print only that one thing < 1622673059 880584 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess maybe it's going "hmm, this image has no specified resolution, I'm going to guess 72 dpi" and then "hmm, this resolution doesn't match the screen DPI, I must scale it to present it in the right physical size". < 1622673090 69006 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, https://zem.fi/tmp/tri2.png in this case. < 1622673114 578077 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, both my Chromium and my Firefox sem to handle it correctly < 1622673144 669311 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs : pixelWidth: 158 pixelHeight: 41 typeIdentifier: public.png format: png formatOptions: default dpiWidth: 72.000 dpiHeight: 72.000 samplesPerPixel: 3 bitsPerSample: 8 hasAlpha: no space: RGB < 1622673145 188952 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it's a new Chrome thing. I don't think I've seen it before at home, but my work Chrome has been persistently doing something weird around those lines. < 1622673190 808560 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Thanks for `identify -verbose`. I tried `-h` and `--help`, and when neither provided useful output, stopped guessing. < 1622673207 753842 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Seems like I should've gone with `-help`. < 1622673212 908894 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes programs give useful information if you run them with no args at all < 1622673215 419311 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But single-dash long options just feel a little weird. < 1622673227 103107 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :...oh, that would have worked too. < 1622673235 551245 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there will often (but not always) be a man page, too < 1622673250 651322 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: also in general for media files, you can also try (ffprobe -of flat -show_format -show_streams "$file";) but for a png file it's unlikely to tell anything that identify and exiftool doesn't show. < 1622673263 202669 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think my usual convention for usage information is "provide a man page, give usage information on --help or if there's an invalid argument, also give usage information if run with no arguments and that doesn't otherwise make sense for the program" < 1622673299 810275 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: (identify;) without arguments works for the help, but you may have to look at HTML manuals too and even then you won't easily find all info about ImageMagick < 1622673333 877817 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, i initially interpreted "HTML manuals" as manuals about HTML, rather than manuals formatted using HTML < 1622673347 143048 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: wait, I forgot an important one < 1622673360 14134 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :English can be so ambiguous sometimes, that's one of the reasons to create esolangs < 1622673386 638170 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :width: 158 height: 41 bands: 3 format: uchar coding: none interpretation: srgb xoffset: 0 yoffset: 0 xres: 2.83465 yres: 2.83465 < 1622673392 612462 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: there was a specific tool for pngs that you can use to redo the compression or losslessly crop at block boundaries without redoing the fourier transform and quantization < 1622673395 875788 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me find it < 1622673402 718173 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eyeballing the sizes (between sxiv and Chrome), I don't think it's quite "assume 72 dpi, scale to adjust to correct physical size given the 104 dpi screen density" level weird. But it's doing *something* odd. < 1622673402 807122 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that same library had an info tool < 1622673419 405999 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://zem.fi/tmp/tri3.png shows both side-by-side (sxiv left, Chrome right). < 1622673455 6913 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The left side should have no antialiasing/scaling going on.) < 1622673470 924249 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: pngtools debian package, (pnginfo "*.png";) < 1622673485 520240 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN :#esolangs < 1622673489 83125 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the above outputs were from sips and vips < 1622673509 994275 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably also won't tell you anything that exiftool doesn't, but the pngtools package is worth knowing in general < 1622673540 293488 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: why do you use "(…;)" to quote shell commands on IRC? < 1622673548 205855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: no, I usually omit the semicolon < 1622673554 826346 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think real shells need the semicolon < 1622673559 123751 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I do use parenthesis to quote shell commands often, even on irc < 1622673580 276011 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :parenthesis are nice because they work this way in both shell and cmd, so I can quote either kind of command with them < 1622673584 855397 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I see > 1622673585 924971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Turing Machine But Way Worse14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83870&oldid=79860 5* 03MilkyWay90 5* (+199) 10 < 1622673598 453780 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :although in sh-alikes it's more than just a quote, it runs the command in a new subshell < 1622673602 560824 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and shell commands often have other kinds of quotes or weird characters in them < 1622673622 473011 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1622673625 309196 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, you have to put a function header before them like f() if you want to quote the contents as a shell command < 1622673633 668097 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've taken to using «» for quoting code (including shell commands) < 1622673642 719787 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :although even that doesn't work for some languages, like Perl 6 and Jelly < 1622673693 767984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that might work, but the problem with them is that there are both french-style «..» quotes and german-style »..« quotes which can make any use confusing < 1622673715 379283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and yes, the french-style would technically be « .. » because they put spaces inside < 1622673717 189525 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esolangs < 1622673731 997060 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :»..« looks like a confusion sign < 1622673734 445436 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which makes it even harder to tell if it's a starting or ending quote character, there's a space on both sides) < 1622673791 281046 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's probably no nice way to quote any programming language, but you can often find a natural style for any particular language < 1622673807 917674 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Weird. It's just doing the wrong thing throughout. Even in the devtools inspector thing, if I look at a preview of the response, it does the bad scaling. (Okay, stands to reason it'd use the same code to render images. But still.) < 1622673827 876248 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Chromium does the same.) < 1622673841 854171 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Firefox doesn't.) < 1622673844 902158 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: you could try to extract the image with some other tool and reencode it < 1622673855 956820 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or is this something you want to debug to fix? < 1622673895 802512 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when I need to do a screenshot with details I drag the window to retina display < 1622673897 524417 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esolangs < 1622673908 72756 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I do screenshot on a usual one it's blurred < 1622673920 313745 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, it has lower resolution < 1622673924 431413 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, preferably I'd like it fixed. But I'm not sure how much effort I want to dedicate to it. < 1622674188 926556 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looking at an entirely different image that does have a set resolution (a pretty arbitrary one, 38.98x38.58 PixelsPerCentimeter), it's being scaled too. So maybe it *is* just assuming a resolution for the first PNG (just not 72; maybe it's been upgraded to default to 96 or something) and then trying to present it with the "physical" size. But I'd really rather it just render the pixels at 1:1 size. < 1622674241 301429 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I think Gimp has an option to do either for its zoom levels < 1622674261 846988 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: is this a standalone PNG in the tab, or inside a HTML? < 1622674287 533045 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A standalone PNG in a tab. But it does the same if I just do a minimal HTML wrapper, . > 1622674306 537728 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OfficialCraftCGame14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83871&oldid=83814 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+14) 10 < 1622674351 470198 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok. I imagine the two can differ. < 1622674364 713044 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, could < 1622674369 895224 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I slap a style="image-rendering: pixelated;" on it, it still maintains the scaling, just does the nearest-neighbor thing. < 1622674460 505121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because HTML has its own odd rules about images that are partly inherited from multiple decade long tradition of netscape/mozilla/firefox emulating msie, then chrome or opera or safari emulating mozilla, then edge emulating everything else again etc < 1622674549 367969 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then a growing set of extensions, including this new one that lets you give multiple image sources of which the browser chooses one depending on what resolution the image will be displayed in which can depend on whether you're using a high resolution monitor that has two pixels for every traditional pixel measured in a webpage, which is a nice extension but its syntax is seriously messed up in a way < 1622674555 535459 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you think people would have learned not to do anymore when adding features to HTML < 1622674659 276420 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even if I render it as the page background with style="background-image: url('tri3.png');", it's still scaled. And not in Firefox. Odd. < 1622674835 411102 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the exact same thing happens to something like https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Png_pixel_cube.png -- the image as viewed in Firefox is rendered "naturally", but the one in Chrome is scaled by... 69/64. < 1622674853 575488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: make sure this isn't just caused by some unusual setting or plugin that you set in those browsers < 1622674911 748063 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If it is, I don't know what setting it could be. The Chromium one definitely should be pretty vanilla. < 1622674921 891248 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also some servers will try to force you to download the picture instead of displaying it, although I can usually force it to display it in the browser by entering a data: URI < 1622674931 539400 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :My "desktop environment", on the other hand, might be more uncommon, though. < 1622674950 486718 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622674970 617241 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What desktop environment is that? < 1622675073 97306 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, it's no specific one. It's just Xmonad as a window manager, and some bits and pieces of GTK+ thing. < 1622675076 979112 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also, I don't have the problem with wrong scaling on the browser) < 1622675090 26708 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean scaled by 69/64? distorted the aspect ratio? < 1622675115 535755 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, just uniformly scaled. < 1622675126 467573 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The image itself is 64x64 pixels, but it's rendered as 69x69. < 1622675149 387230 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1622675217 207381 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :renders as 64 and 128 for me < 1622675233 705312 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did a chrome://flags + "reset all" just to be sure, so it shouldn't be a manually enabled weird setting either. < 1622675261 262796 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :make sure to do ctrl +/- until it says 100% < 1622675283 475802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ctrl-0 < 1622675285 445837 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :please < 1622675289 459735 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1622675304 749309 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ctrl-0 resets to your settings default that can be different < 1622675316 333441 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's been 100% the whole time. < 1622675338 669790 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use a program I wrote by myself to take screenshots. (They don't have as many options as scrot, because other programs can be used for many of the things. However, one option that perhaps should be added is the option to control if the mouse cursor is captured; scrot does have that option.) < 1622675610 248934 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just verified that it's not a PNG-specific problem. Opening a (data URI that encodes a) 222x227 pixel JPEG file renders a rectangle that's exactly 222x227 pixels in Firefox, but 239x245 in Chromium. < 1622675611 848276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: so that's in line with assuming 96dpi and adjusting that to 104dpi. eww. < 1622675692 86564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe 103.5 rather than 104. < 1622675714 763832 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't believe it's intentional, I think it must be some kind of a bug. But not an obvious one to track down. > 1622675741 599413 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83872&oldid=83867 5* 03ResU 5* (+12) 10Added AEWNN < 1622675783 233103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it could be a feature intended for 200+ dpi displays < 1622675797 314024 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. < 1622675811 112992 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I started chromium with --force-device-scale-factor=1 and it stopped scaling. < 1622675819 648939 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I guess you might be right in that. < 1622675822 203939 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically retina is just doubling the resolution < 1622675835 186788 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and disables font antialiasing < 1622675838 697258 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and quadrupling required bandwidth < 1622675849 25753 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or whatever it's called < 1622675867 394371 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's just that, I don't think it makes sense to do scaling like that when the display depth is so close. < 1622675893 947847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: right < 1622675895 685846 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/depth/density/ < 1622675911 120170 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, for now I'll just stick that flag onto my list. < 1622675925 3557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, my display reports 94x95 dpi, that could be fun. But maybe chrome refuses to downscale at least. < 1622675948 29341 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I guess another alternative would be to just make the display resolution lie. < 1622675963 793490 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But maybe it's convenient to be actually able to approximate physical sizes in Gimp or whatnot. < 1622676000 726068 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, recently Chrome started showing everything smaller for me both on Windows and macOS < 1622676014 833533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(But there's no chrome or chromium currently installed here, so I won't test) > 1622676146 652679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83873&oldid=83872 5* 03CatCatDeluxe 5* (+24) 10 < 1622677118 458181 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622677430 419139 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622677432 75308 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1622678030 684140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth Machine (esolang)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83874 5* 03ResU 5* (+587) 10Created page with "'''Truth Machine''' is an esolang created by [[User:ResU]] in 2021. [[Category:2021]][[Category:Languages]] ==Commands== {| class=wikitable !Cmd !Description |- |input(a..." > 1622678101 610313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03ResU 5* 10moved [[02Truth Machine (esolang)10]] to [[Truth Machine (language)]] < 1622678111 855669 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, the GTK UI does `resolution / 96` as the scale factor, and then rounds it to the nearest 1/64th, meaning my 104/96 rounds to exactly 69/64. Or something along those lines. https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:ui/gtk/gtk_ui.cc;l=1085;drc=71ce45f2f742ca6449749a906ce5bb9948c8b555 < 1622678117 167169 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It doesn't seem to have changed recently, but maybe what has changed is how universally fractional scaling factors are applied to images, or something. Because while --force-device-scale-factor=1 does solve the ugly image scaling, everything *else* does look a little smaller now than I'm used to. But maybe it's not really logically consistent to scale text and other scalable things while keeping images < 1622678123 233585 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :unscaled. < 1622678138 423751 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I'll just get used to the smaller size. < 1622678232 695667 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: not scaling pixel images a form of hinting, which has always been a compromise. < 1622678237 917017 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :+is < 1622678250 62951 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN :#esolangs < 1622678381 54335 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esolangs > 1622678565 210860 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ResU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83877&oldid=83825 5* 03ResU 5* (+49) 10 < 1622678629 810560 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1622678631 802984 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1622678631 903584 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1622678781 519229 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN :#esolangs < 1622679004 780530 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esolangs < 1622679430 503762 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622679564 118768 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622680461 622538 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/owner/simcop2387 QUIT :Changing host < 1622680461 622594 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN :#esolangs > 1622680522 477849 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth Machine (language)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83878&oldid=83875 5* 03ResU 5* (+133) 10 < 1622680729 297101 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :resizing glitches you say... https://files.gitter.im/5773fad8c2f0db084a20979b/YUho/image.png < 1622681251 999628 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esolangs < 1622681288 262227 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie, have you ever had the umlbox-kernel randomly decide to hang at max CPU usage on one core and disobey the timeout? < 1622681292 584616 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :because i am mystified < 1622681306 750475 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :i've been trying to reproduce it and it just happened again randomly with my instance < 1622681469 207185 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't even reproduce it consistently .-. < 1622681478 231854 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not that I remember, no. But any sort of confusion/bug in the init could presumably do it. The timeout isn't external, as I recall, but handled with signals in init. < 1622681546 899326 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'll take a look at int < 1622681563 970042 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also doubly-enforce the timeout using subprocess's timeout option (which was added in Python 3.3) < 1622681570 24439 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :*init < 1622681622 788690 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though the only problems with init and its configuration that I remember are the ubd padding issues, which have been sorted all the way back in ceb910f. < 1622681687 833576 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622681735 993332 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esolangs < 1622681847 660737 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn clever thing the guy made https://github.com/kojix2/YouPlot < 1622681883 551517 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been using the unicode_plot library for a while, but he made a gem with ./bin making all sorts of STDIN parsers he would want to < 1622681917 483838 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you don't need to write ruby code to use unicode_plot lib now > 1622682026 301020 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Clpb 5* 10New user account < 1622682058 727976 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :he could ask to add the binary to unicode_plot gem but it would need him to make test, debate on style and the unicode_plot's maintainer idea to have API "same as in julia" for idk why < 1622682078 349874 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead he's making the binary independently < 1622682178 132500 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw I don't like that the common directly and name for these is ./bin because they are not necessary binary files -- would be better to have them in ./exe I guess but I didn't see such standard < 1622682178 260382 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622682407 767016 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's what "bin" means: executables. > 1622682536 182680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83879&oldid=83841 5* 03Clpb 5* (+161) 10Just added a short text about me so I can use the rest of the wiki < 1622682665 996868 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://0x0.st/-_-p.txt <- a lot of non-"binary" files too. Also, a great filename, got lucky there. < 1622682792 890779 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does that sed do? < 1622682826 485217 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just an ad-hoc filter to get rid of all the boring cruft in "..., dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, BuildID[sha1]=d146dbe9a8ea08382b6c63ee7d0ebeb151f2ced3, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, stripped". < 1622682844 105004 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Especially the BuildID, of course. < 1622682868 564162 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, for some files the file prints me too much < 1622682895 724557 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably a slightly different output format then. I just picked something that worked for me. < 1622682896 276518 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://dpaste.org/RjJc/slim < 1622682918 120262 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess this file just has three versions in it < 1622682936 51014 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, don't have to worry about "fat" binaries on this system. < 1622682937 583277 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn I thought this thing is gone when macOS removed the power9 support < 1622682969 862435 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :macos doesn't support power9 at all... < 1622682983 516529 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :it supported powerpc though, that's years deprecated but maybe some devs still build for it < 1622683018 694287 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In retrospect, `file --mime-type --brief` would've been an easier way to sanitize: https://0x0.st/-_-f.txt < 1622683071 844992 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Besides, aren't you going to start getting all these x86-64/AArch64 multi-binaries next?) < 1622683184 139455 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :man, they really screwed up by not calling the 64-bit arm architecture "leg" < 1622683188 135946 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :cd yeah I may confuse them -- didn't work with them either < 1622683209 848113 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think "leg" was being used for something though? < 1622683294 282859 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not exactly easy to search for with everyone writing these "cost you an ARM and a leg" pun titles. < 1622683372 92745 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe there wasn't anything, or at least anything too relevant, and I just imagined it. < 1622683476 404629 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, right, I think I'm thinking of that LLVM toy example that was just like an ARM subset, https://llvm.org/devmtg/2014-10/Slides/Cormack-BuildingAnLLVMBackend.pdf < 1622683511 403203 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/frasercrmck/llvm-leg < 1622683536 859469 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Doesn't exactly fit the "a bigger ARM" context though. < 1622683559 865067 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :StrongARM was an actual thing though. < 1622683634 880438 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and "thumb" of course < 1622683655 169003 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Something something middle finger pun. > 1622683830 508653 PRIVMSG #esolangs : This is exaActly the siutuationq DXisEcFIerreit hasG found itselfq ins.t Wge HwerRe bridginYg ltoZ guarkantee a smooyth transition..d.C wigthiEn hGoursP ofr cShkangDinng the topicr tQo point Sto the neOwR chat, theyg toPok Dover oXur channekls.j < 1622683870 692230 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, been a while since the last piece of forwarded spam. < 1622683903 484930 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1622683906 669674 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut in tarnation < 1622683921 751818 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Clearly a bad siutuationq. < 1622683990 412164 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that's what it looks like < 1622684039 119310 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION scratches her head < 1622684041 611695 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1622684041 697142 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1622684070 917490 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :pikhq: I've seen talk about the spam on ##freenode, but had not seen the actual spam itself < 1622684071 774110 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like SCP-3125. < 1622684105 939447 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can get something intelligible out of all the other words by only deleting letters, with the exception of "DXisEcFIerreit". > 1622684128 271986 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Andrew ULee likeKs wsuckingF hot asiarn Zguy's diAcks and has haH jcchkode hiumeseDlf. < 1622684159 51777 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. < 1622684194 652347 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Feel free to do "brctl: ignore freenode/*" if you want to stop that from doing anything in that direction. < 1622684293 100138 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :As for "DXisEcFIerreit", maybe that's "Disc..." something. "DiscFerret"? netsplit.de says #discferret was a channel over on the other network. < 1622684310 937589 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289620 < 1622684333 359546 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs : 1 /usr/bin/ex (for architecture x86_64): Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64 < 1622684333 552963 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs : 1 /usr/bin/ex (for architecture arm64e): Mach-O 64-bit executable arm64e < 1622684339 754695 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Ah. < 1622684353 616253 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is how arm looks like < 1622684474 274309 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: kind of independent... I googled the second sentence < 1622684498 588183 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's been two other similarly jumbled-up nicknames joining and subsequently parting, but they've not said anything. < 1622684519 110266 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I might +q $~a over on the other side maybe. < 1622684527 62332 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hard to say if it's likely to get any worse or not. < 1622684696 139083 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://dpaste.org/fCzA/slim < 1622684972 798721 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have 10 times more ruby executables than I do lol < 1622685036 462575 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe they are hidden by rbenv shims < 1622687352 135579 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot are you going to update your esoteric language? < 1622687352 432037 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: but, we are far outnumbered! that frog made the epoch, your wings! now this is a way to the ocean palace! and if you wish! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we no can call that the chrono trigger. it is r66-y? cool? who knows what would become of my mystics? i must win! < 1622687397 927997 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :positive ending < 1622688198 454862 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622690298 872085 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN :#esolangs < 1622690683 281674 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622690771 108662 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1622690771 198051 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1622691008 536526 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN :#esolangs < 1622691102 562696 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esolangs < 1622691943 198156 :cd0!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esolangs < 1622691964 801966 :cd!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1622691979 450453 :cd0!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :cd < 1622692598 898471 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622692802 529696 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esolangs < 1622694768 826043 :iovoid21!~iovoid@pcd172043.netvigator.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622694768 952189 :iovoid21!~iovoid@pcd172043.netvigator.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :⧸!\ TΗIᏚ СНᎪNNᎬᒪ ΗAS ϺOVЕᎠ TO IᎡC․LIBΕᎡA.CHAΤ #HAΜᖇADІO /︕⧵ < 1622694769 776189 :iovoid21!~iovoid@pcd172043.netvigator.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :/!\ THE JΕWS ᕼΑVЕ TAKEΝ OᏙЕR FᖇEᎬNODΕ, CHATS HАVE MОᏙΕᎠ ТO ⅠRⲤ․ᒪІВЕᎡA.CᕼAT ⧸!\ < 1622694770 829196 :iovoid21!~iovoid@pcd172043.netvigator.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :/!﹨ JOIⲚ #НᎪΜRADΙO TODΑY. TΗІS CዘАΝNΕⅬ ᕼAS ΜⲞVED ΤO IᎡС.LΙBΕᎡA.ᏟᎻΑT #HᎪMRΑDΙО /!\ < 1622694775 288983 :iovoid21!~iovoid@pcd172043.netvigator.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :TዘΙЅ OFFIᏟІᎪLᏞⲨ EⲚᗪORSEⅮ MΕSSAᏀᎬ ᎳᎪS ⲂᖇⲞUԌΗТ ᎢO YⲞU BY ᏞIBEᖇᎪ․ϹᕼAᎢ STAᖴᖴ < 1622694789 210322 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh ffs < 1622694815 15325 :iovoid21!~iovoid@pcd172043.netvigator.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622694823 722245 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +o :int-e < 1622694828 223331 :dioxide!~dioxide@1-36-229-213.static.netvigator.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622694828 223389 :dioxide!~dioxide@1-36-229-213.static.netvigator.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :∕!\ TⲎΙЅ CHΑNNΕL ΗAS ϺОVEᗪ ᎢO IRC.LΙBEᏒA.CHAΤ #HAᎷᎡΑDΙO /!⧹ < 1622694829 294342 :dioxide!~dioxide@1-36-229-213.static.netvigator.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :∕ⵑ∖ ΤⲎᎬ ᎫEᎳЅ HΑVE TAᛕΕⲚ OᏙᎬR FᎡᎬᎬNⲞᎠᎬ, CHAΤS ΗΑᏙᎬ MΟVEᎠ TO ΙRϹ.ᏞIΒᎬRА․CHΑT /!\ < 1622694829 881316 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu MODE #esolangs +q :$~a < 1622694852 875353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu MODE #esolangs :+z < 1622694874 233436 :dioxide!~dioxide@1-36-229-213.static.netvigator.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1622695513 602328 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83880&oldid=83869 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+103) 10 > 1622695526 542284 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83881&oldid=83880 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 < 1622695602 918960 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, was that all... < 1622695612 576983 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu MODE #esolangs -qzo $~a :int-e < 1622696184 99442 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just noticed, Chrome added features to "autodelete cookies after you close specific website" and "fully disallow cookies on specific websites [including third-party cookies]" < 1622696211 612812 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :added FB and IG there instantly < 1622698177 38109 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In C, can I prevent global variables that I am not using from taking up memory? < 1622698212 419929 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the linker should remove unused stuff < 1622698218 912 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure if that requries -fdata-sections < 1622698219 237821 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(without dynamic allocation) < 1622698225 506312 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net JOIN :#esolangs > 1622698245 85104 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/Braneflage14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83882 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+4173) 10document lofty goals for a fungeoid playing with dimensionality < 1622698245 346869 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: global variables in C are statically allocated, so the memory for them will be reserved right from the start of the program < 1622698249 308659 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually I mean it might not be known until run time, and sometimes the variables might be used only for part of the execution and then it is finished with it, or it doesn't need it at the start but does use it later < 1622698272 416863 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so... no < 1622698280 781090 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :however, if they're on a page that's all zeroes, most OSes won't actually allocate the page until you assign to one of them, so only the address space is allocated, not the physical memory < 1622698293 4767 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you are on a system with virtual memory, yes < 1622698305 245077 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1622698315 452612 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I am using Linux so I think that it does have virtual memory < 1622698318 923933 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you're programming a microcontroller then that doesn't help < 1622698319 13116 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think most systems that have an OS also have virtual memory nowadays, although of course that wasn't historically always the case < 1622698335 929080 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that depends how you define an "OS" < 1622698339 563851 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: but then you'll typically have a good idea of what you will and won't need < 1622698347 444102 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :on a microcontroller you normally care more about peak memory usage than anything, so it's usual to statically allocate everything so that you know how much is available < 1622698350 832141 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep < 1622698360 599361 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it possible to specify what page to use for each group of variables, and then to cancel a page once it is no longer in use? < 1622698365 724166 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if it's too much, figure out which variables aren't being used simultaneously and union them < 1622698369 583804 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm not sure I've *ever* used malloc in all my microcontroller programming < 1622698388 696618 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: not in a standard or portable way, both are possible in Linux (and probably other OSes) via system-specific mechanisms < 1622698448 201219 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in GCC you can specify the section for each variable, and then you can use a linker script to put all those variables together and align them to a page < 1622698455 27849 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then use madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) < 1622698455 394610 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess putting them all in a big structure that's alignas() the page size would be one way to approximate it in (modern) standard C, although you would have to know what the page size was < 1622698470 944703 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but using a linker script would be the more normal way < 1622698483 720304 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :on a symbol derived from the section load address (which the linker script can also give you) < 1622698552 595468 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MADV_FREE is possibly better than MADV_DONTNEED for this, it's a kind of "lazy" MADV_DONTNEED that delays the free until memory pressure occurs (or you unfree the pages by writing to them again) < 1622698600 567611 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, this seems like the sort of thing that if you were heavily using it for performance, ideally the kernel API wouldn't require system calls < 1622698664 897138 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if there's no need to do something synchronously, you can imagine having a userspace buffer of "unimportant system calls" that the kernel reads when the process's timeslice starts/ends (not sure which timing would be better) < 1622698670 673459 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and runs them then, to save on context switches < 1622698681 206707 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think anything like that exists yet, but it should < 1622698715 615962 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, the hash tables are only needed during class loading, and the variables dealing with sounds are only needed if sounds are enabled < 1622698753 95121 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: if you're looking for a more standard mechanism, you can make the global variables pointers to dynamically allocated memory, allowing you to allocate the memory only when needed and free it after you're done < 1622698799 65263 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I know, but I wanted to know if there is a way to do without dynamic memory, too < 1622698802 382648 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, in practice, most mallocs will never return memory to the OS (until the program ends), rather recycling it for use in future allocations, except when dealing with very large allocations < 1622698875 839501 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've heard proposals to make all system calls asynchronous based on request / completion queues < 1622698881 680184 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure if that was ever implemented in linux < 1622698898 963627 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that in order to make a general-purpose malloc that did habitually return almost all the memory, you'd need some sort of GC that could move objects around and update the pointers to them, otherwise memory fragmentation would become too large an issue < 1622698900 582822 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: I like that < 1622698941 552346 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :except I guess you still want something like a synchronous system call that's just "wait for the next event" < 1622698943 180273 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've actually been wondering about how far you could go in terms of implementing system calls in userspace < 1622698952 88737 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which could be a syscall completion or a timer or an I/O event) < 1622698960 225077 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, you need one blocking call, which would basically be a hyper-general select-alike < 1622698968 320442 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1622699253 246811 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can't move objects around with malloc though; you will need realloc for such a thing, I think. (I don't know what implementations of realloc will do that well enough, though.) < 1622699257 122666 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :when looking into the "world's fastest fizzbuzz" thing I was wondering whether it might be possible to implement pipes using shared memory, so that the kernel normally wouldn't need to be involved < 1622699293 639397 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: well, we're assuming that the malloc implementation wants to move them, the problem is that the program that allocated the objects typically won't be able to handle them unexpectedly moving < 1622699316 752592 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you'd probably need to use something that was able to trace all the pointers to the objects (even in registers) to be able to update them < 1622699345 972341 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1622699351 322780 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :esoidea: a "conservative" Boehm-GC-like GC, but which actually compacts objects in memory, and just updates anything in the address space that looks like a pointer < 1622699367 52555 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this would lead to random bits of memory corruption, but the program would probably still run < 1622699381 295935 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you could probably work around it by programming defensively < 1622699493 244814 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The OASYS text adventure VM will set all references to an object to null when the object is freed, although it doesn't move around objects in memory (but doing so wouldn't be prohibited by the definition of the VM, as long as it looks in local variables and stack also; doing so would require keeping track of the types of values in the stack) < 1622699506 611987 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1622699528 909984 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think compilers should generate metadata with programs that allow all the types of values in the stack and heap to be calculated via tracing pointers < 1622699538 295418 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're pretty much doing that anyway at the moment, to generate debug info < 1622699547 523130 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it would be useful for precise garbage collection and compaction < 1622699734 195732 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1622699767 780000 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know there's been a lot of design work on adding GC hooks to Rust < 1622699789 486705 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :because they don't want to add a GC to the language implementation itself, but want to make it possible for third party libraries to implement GCs that integrate nicely < 1622699793 956686 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a fairly tricky problem < 1622699833 818084 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw that kind of metadata is also used for another purpose: stack unwinding for exceptions < 1622699839 574040 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1622699846 130451 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, I'm not as sure that that's necessary < 1622699866 573094 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had a great idea to save executable size, which is to determine the stack unwind rules via static analysis of the executable < 1622699886 881360 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and to make small adjustments to opcodes in order to ensure that the analysis would produce the right result < 1622699893 158774 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and to mark things like catch blocks) < 1622699911 219597 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :well you can definitely implement exception semantics without stack unwinding, by transforming to a sum type. but it loses performance in the non-exceptional case < 1622699913 553421 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least in x86, lots of asm instructions have multiple possible encodings, which let you put that sort of metadata there < 1622699916 176735 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :now that's an interesting idea < 1622699943 537547 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...ugh. < 1622699944 989266 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the idea of "constrain your compiler output so it's statically analyzable" also shows up in other places < 1622699955 811882 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :like various sandboxing schemes < 1622699972 70736 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Google's NaCl and other stuff < 1622699987 620936 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :running untrusted native code by checking that it conforms to a restricted subset that has statically analyzable control flow < 1622699996 904540 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :most notably, mov register, register has a spare bit, and the REX prefix is very common and has a spare bit (rex.x) in the majority of places it's used < 1622700054 973908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: but do you really want to rely on that freedom? < 1622700094 621133 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is Windows SEH a better system than Unix signal handlers? < 1622700095 844486 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: in both these locations, the two commands are specced as equivalent, so Intel/AMD couldn't break the equivalence in a future processor revision without breaking existing programs < 1622700140 459673 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the only issue would be if you wanted to use the spare bits for two different purposes, and I think it'd be up to the executable format to decide which meaning it wanted < 1622700147 806420 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are VM codes for such statically analyzable with sandboxing too, though < 1622700152 114963 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :They could recommend one encoding, though, and give it better performance. < 1622700164 642332 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it works for fingerprinting software because there's a lot of code to work with... I don't see it working when you have to cram a fixed amount of information into the code. < 1622700182 332717 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: this seems unlikely to happen in practice, because the spare bits are a consequence of making the encodings orthogonal < 1622700183 142326 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fingerprinting->watermarking < 1622700200 552893 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the reason they're there in the first place is because it was more performant to do that than to give them a meaning < 1622700217 444878 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :What would a really good system be for the things that signal handlers and SEH are used for? < 1622700224 864727 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: well, the amount of information you need for unwind, that isn't in the code already, is basically zero < 1622700226 260531 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I'm really more worried about not having enough degrees of freedom to express the information you'd need for GC. < 1622700244 904527 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, with GC it'd be way worse, you probably wouldn't have enough for that < 1622700247 462580 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was just thinking about unwinding < 1622700261 971200 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And of course there's the question whether you want to have half of a disassembler as part of doing GC. < 1622700279 981289 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although, some VM codes are not statically analyzable, but that will only mean that JIT is difficult; depending on the specific VM codes, stuff such as moving around objects automatically might still be possible < 1622700302 97777 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or stack unwinding for that matter < 1622700322 8516 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622700379 500482 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, a decently accurate algorithm for unwinding on a caller-cleans ABI looks something like "run through the program, executing only unconditional jumps, pushes/pops, returns, and anything that mentions the stack pointer" < 1622700440 32583 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only common operation that misses is spills < 1622700490 42188 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if it will work unless the program is written in that way, in which case it will work. < 1622700520 202544 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I was thinking about this in combination with an ABI where spills were noticeably different from "regular" local variable access (accessing a different part of memory, so that local variable out-of-bounds wouldn't overwrite spilled data) < 1622700571 813245 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, nowadays I think of function calls and returns as a spill of the instruction pointer, it seems to map perfectly into the normal register spilling in the function prolog/epilog < 1622700604 116679 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the calling function doesn't get to use the instruction pointer because the called function needs to use it, so you have to spill it < 1622700644 45970 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some architectures put the return address in a register instead of on the stack, right? < 1622700682 83320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, link register < 1622700690 800427 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, but you need to spill the register in order to make more than one call < 1622700702 362085 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(callee-saved) < 1622700727 984514 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, modern x86 does that too, but only for userspace→kernelspace `syscall`s < 1622700731 124393 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, but then it's even more just like regular register spilling. < 1622700753 926398 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just a caller-save register. < 1622700760 688530 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think the reason is that is that it saves you from needing to figure out which stack you're using and what's allowed to access it) < 1622700805 82274 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is why syscalls on Linux clobber two registers, incidentally, it's because those registers were used to spill IP and flags during the syscall process < 1622700806 876031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: Haha, it's not at all clear who owns the value in the link register... < 1622700839 712939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought since the caller sets it, it belongs to the caller, so it would be callee-saved. < 1622700841 208660 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's call-preserved for obvious reasons, thus it must be technically owned by the caller < 1622700863 822574 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although of course the callee can use it for other things temporarily as long as it restores the value) < 1622700952 106383 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, hmm, right. < 1622700994 495853 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess one benefit of using a link register is that it means that the processor doesn't have to understand the stack at the hardware level < 1622701008 521901 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, I think hardware-accelerated stacks make a lot of sense for all but the very simplest processors < 1622701032 985700 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess call stacks specifically have acceleration anyway, right. < 1622701040 903972 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1622701052 104861 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though maybe that's entirely separate from the actual memory stack, just matching call and return instructions? < 1622701061 491580 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assume the main reason is to help the branch predictor. < 1622701075 920452 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think both Intel and AMD have a separate predictor in the hardware whose job is to predict the value of %rsp, that runs ahead of the main predictors < 1622701098 429514 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, that's not the kind I was thinking about. < 1622701102 333759 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and they also have an internal stack that stores the addresses of the last few unreturned call instructions to be executed < 1622701110 446967 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is used to predict where a return instruction goes < 1622701130 378670 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but the value needs to be read from memory anyway, just in case someone modified the stack in between the call and return) < 1622701174 798946 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC something related to Spectre/Meltdown meant that there was some scenario in which you had to intentionally overflow that stack for security reasons < 1622701199 174790 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-213-170.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :in order to overwrite any value an attacker might have put in there (which might cause speculative execution to something that shouldn't be speculatively executed) < 1622701294 113950 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something 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:b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: well those are some scary eso-ideas < 1622706450 681490 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: on the practical side, the big advantage of Linux and C ecosystem is that most of the libraries are compiled in a way that has a fixed ABI and you'll be able to use the same binary without recompiling forever. (the rust guys are trying to work hard to break this, though perhaps that'll change in the future like on MSVC, but even in a rust library you could add a definite C ABI interface that you < 1622706456 688904 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :export and then import with another smaller rust "header" library that you do have to recompile.) that makes it hard to try to do something like that garbage collection that requires every piece of code in your executable to adhere to some new ABI convention like that unwinding markings. > 1622706599 799205 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RAMDISP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83891&oldid=83890 5* 03Otesunki 5* (+44) 10 > 1622706650 186246 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RAMDISP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83892&oldid=83891 5* 03Otesunki 5* (-2) 10/* Instructions */ < 1622706678 17471 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1622706684 703052 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RAMDISP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83893&oldid=83892 5* 03Otesunki 5* (-16) 10/* Instructions */ < 1622706753 372415 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622707021 82615 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I consider this assuming benevolence: let's say that rust doesn't have a stable ABI yet because it's a young language and they don't want to commit themselves to a bad ABI while the language is still evolving, because they might regret that later. > 1622707037 571383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Bangyen14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83894 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+83) 10Created page with "whoa i've only made this wiki today and ppl made interpreters/compilers for it wow." > 1622707067 973169 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83895&oldid=83894 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (-83) 10Blanked the page < 1622707080 879323 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622707115 742323 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so for now, if you really want a fixed ABI, you have to explicitly define and export a C ABI, and import it from another crate. sort of like what you could do to have a binary that you don't have to recompile for a C++ library in Windows MSVC, back when MSVC broke the C++ ABI more often. though the situation isn't quite analogous to C++, so don't try to take that metaphor too far. < 1622707123 388263 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622707147 377344 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow that Bangyen dude implemented >30 interpreters < 1622707154 579613 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, I do sometimes say that rust is to C++ as zig is to C, but rust crates which are relevant here are one of the things that really break this analogy < 1622707157 935428 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what a hobby < 1622707194 846294 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: you mean some people in #esoteric do weird and apparently useless things with computers? < 1622707449 557116 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should make one more useless thing < 1622707462 646548 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :a translator between all the brainfuck derivatives < 1622707484 292871 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622707577 681741 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622707750 559723 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN :#esolangs < 1622707795 567666 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1622707852 254176 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622707875 596661 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN :#esolangs < 1622707879 457501 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :while downloading maps from davidrumsey.com it's so interesting to explore how town that know had different names during being settled by different people < 1622708009 41180 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, the first known town names in Crimea were given by Greeks, Evpatoria was known as Kerkinitida, then it was renamed to Gezlev idk by whom, maybe tatars that were owners of it for most of the time < 1622708057 917826 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sebastopol, Simferopol, Melitopol -- the "-opol" is from greek < 1622708123 753274 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then Russian names were changing sometimes during the Russian Empire < 1622708234 476163 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then seas also have multiple names because they are named by explorers from everywhee < 1622708341 336351 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that German regions that int-e helped me understand the map about -- I didn't know they existed, and some towns there really had German names < 1622708701 714842 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622708762 862208 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622709106 835793 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622709179 83877 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622709554 592871 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622710325 506526 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622710374 949723 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622710377 835004 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs > 1622710614 465343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/Braneflage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83896&oldid=83882 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+43) 10/* Program Commands */ grow / shrink in terms of w < 1622710716 4446 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622710792 411282 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622711128 963100 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622711188 681348 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622711265 401841 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can I get off the "have my name mentioned every time someone asks brctl for the ignored list" list? < 1622711311 673954 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, right, that. < 1622711339 907222 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could do the usual "add a non-breaking space" thing. < 1622711364 934542 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I'd rather not even have my name show up, ideally. < 1622711378 914280 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But that would be an OK compromise, I guess. < 1622711382 873572 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or make "brctl: ignored" only work via private messages, maybe that'd be better. < 1622711521 928646 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622711572 484240 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622711926 687700 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622711970 667842 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622711993 408086 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esolangs < 1622711993 498246 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs < 1622711999 216379 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1622712006 29750 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: help ignored > 1622712006 29796 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: see "brctl: help ignore" (filter by nick) and "brctl: help filter" (filter by text content) for the two available commands < 1622712008 413715 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a JOIN :#esolangs < 1622712011 238820 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: help ignore > 1622712011 238887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: usage: "brctl: ignored" (to list; only in a query), "brctl: ignore [net/]nick" (to add) or "brctl: unignore [net/]nick" (to remove); network defaults to your own; nick = * matches any message < 1622712016 358576 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: ignored > 1622712016 358619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: Try doing that in a query, otherwise it pings everyone. < 1622712051 138640 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's good, though why is the list even accessible? < 1622712056 127685 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's fine. < 1622712115 141236 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Two reasons: I think it's good there's some way of checking it did what you told it to; and I need a way of reading the list before a restart so that I can persist it into the config file. < 1622712139 501616 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe we won't have a bridge so long that it's worth doing anything extreme, like having it write a file. < 1622712238 888087 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Makes sense. < 1622712321 190211 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622712332 402085 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622712381 735612 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622712547 410448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah... I have a NO_ACT ignore on esolangs which also means it doesn't hilight me. Yay for accidental conveniences. < 1622712617 255121 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(irssi; NO_ACT means the messages get displayed but don't count as activity on the channel) < 1622712669 262640 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been wondering if there's a thing like that; I was going to set it on esowiki on the other network, so that all the bridged things and/or wiki changes stop showing up as activity. < 1622712739 99173 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622712831 891918 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622713135 534397 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622713193 968276 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622713565 509103 :tepos!~tepos@nz149l213.bb18094.ctm.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622713565 589323 :tepos!~tepos@nz149l213.bb18094.ctm.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :/﹗⧹ THIЅ СHΑΝΝᎬL HАS ΜΟVΕᎠ TΟ IᎡϹ.ᏞIBΕRΑ.ⅭᕼAT #HᎪMRАᎠⅠΟ ⁄!\ < 1622713565 589481 :tepos!~tepos@nz149l213.bb18094.ctm.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :/!⧹ JOIΝ #ዘAΜRAᎠΙΟ ΤOⅮAY. ΤHΙᏚ CⲎAⲚNΕL ΗAS ΜⲞVED ТΟ ΙᎡC․LΙBEᎡA.CHΑT #HAMRΑᎠIO /!⧹ < 1622713565 589555 :tepos!~tepos@nz149l213.bb18094.ctm.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :TᕼΙS ΟᖴᖴΙCΙAᏞᏞΥ EΝDORSᎬᗪ ⅯΕᏚSAGE WAS BROUGHΤ TO YOU BY ᒪIВERA․СНAT ᏚТАFᖴ < 1622713599 515839 :tepos!~tepos@nz149l213.bb18094.ctm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622713638 263595 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +o :int-e < 1622713638 302131 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +o :int-e < 1622713652 95873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu MODE #esolangs +qz :$~a < 1622713670 569487 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Only contribute if you know what you're doing! < 1622718183 936881 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esolangs < 1622720621 455041 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622721183 27358 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1622721999 997253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tech Support Scam14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83902&oldid=83858 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Truth machine */ Fix > 1622722096 844994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stoplight14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83903&oldid=82416 5* 03Jedgrei 5* (-29) 10It's not turing complete < 1622722161 7795 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :[Re wiki-change:] I agree it's not, but I don't think it's really an OISC either. < 1622723223 215745 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs > 1622723232 41664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:CatCatDeluxe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83904&oldid=83859 5* 03CatCatDeluxe 5* (-19) 10 < 1622723254 181199 :mistbreeze!~mistbreez@2600:1700:b7e0:8320:71bb:b306:16df:b2ce JOIN :#esolangs > 1622723484 655721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83905&oldid=83819 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+821) 10/* Notes */ < 1622724511 763929 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :as I asid, brctl could respond in private or notice < 1622724519 463394 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to avoid highlight < 1622724616 54808 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu MODE #esolangs -qzo $~a :int-e < 1622724995 430606 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't like bots responding in private when the trigger was public. But in any case the listing is now private-only. > 1622726535 343367 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/Braneflage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83906&oldid=83896 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+129) 10/* Program Commands */ accumulator deltas < 1622726678 313146 :dionys!dionys@user/dionys JOIN :#esolangs < 1622727118 26631 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622727145 615220 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1622727171 484539 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN :#esolangs < 1622727565 405960 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN :#esolangs > 1622727822 272773 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/Braneflage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83907&oldid=83906 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+43) 10/* Program Commands */ define x < 1622727907 677220 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1622728123 67216 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622730576 971207 :jix_!~jix@user/jix NICK :jix < 1622730948 405173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN :#esolangs < 1622731846 488787 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622732113 98615 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esolangs > 1622732226 491411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83908&oldid=83905 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+309) 10/* Syntax */ > 1622732359 70322 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83909&oldid=83908 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+29) 10/* Notes */ > 1622732676 378676 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83910&oldid=83909 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+426) 10/* Notes */ < 1622732737 537685 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :.oO(if only that occured to Gödel) > 1622732788 398780 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83911&oldid=83910 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+135) 10/* An Actual Dictionary */ > 1622732875 686566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83912&oldid=83911 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-5) 10/* Example */ > 1622732929 400616 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83913&oldid=83912 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+16) 10/* Example */ > 1622732946 472277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Program Number System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83914&oldid=83913 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+0) 10/* Syntax */ > 1622733342 554334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trivial brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83915&oldid=80702 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+27) 10 < 1622733486 290280 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1622733739 34160 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs > 1622734059 743417 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Salpynx/Braneflage14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83916 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+147) 10Created page with "this is a really interesting idea, I would love to see it be completed. ~~~~" < 1622734346 494346 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622734520 942120 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1622734636 32254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esolangs < 1622735355 233035 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esolangs > 1622735389 297060 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stoplight14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83917&oldid=83903 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+321) 10Implement > 1622735671 69054 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MathR 5* 10New user account > 1622736087 254392 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83918&oldid=83879 5* 03MathR 5* (+138) 10/* Introductions */ < 1622736784 302375 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in > 1622736823 31363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MathR14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83919 5* 03MathR 5* (+40) 10Created page with "Hi I'm '''MathR''' and ''I like bread''." < 1622736954 159532 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622737346 242310 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622738713 329602 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622738843 533921 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there'll be a fun second wave starting around 2021-07-27 when all the libera nicks grabbed by the gold rush folks start to expire, and #libera will be overloaded by requests by other users to usurp them < 1622739206 79957 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so I have a silly question. suppose I want to render the logs of this channel in HTML, and want to assign a unique class to every nick so that I can assign unique full depth colors to them (and readers can customize those colors easily in browser side). should I use the nicks in the class names as is, which is valid but requires you to escape some characters in CSS, or should I translate the < 1622739212 502207 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :brackets and backslashes to letters according to some ISO-646 character set? and if the latter, should it be the finnish or the norwegian? what ISO-646 character set does New Zealand use? < 1622739295 182982 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would say the Finnish, but I'm obviously biased. < 1622739427 881475 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: what do I do with a "^" then? < 1622739430 478232 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Would you also lowercase them with the network's CASEMAPPING=rfc1459 rules, or just distinguish between case? < 1622739444 193391 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, apparently you can map that to ü < 1622739479 869983 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I would make them case insensitive as in nicks that fold the same get the same class, but probably preserve the latest case that appears in the log in the class name < 1622739483 137793 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or... hmm < 1622739496 22061 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I want to support user style overrides then that won't work < 1622739503 886077 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I'll just casefold them all to uppercase < 1622739564 484986 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think its ü in ISO-646-FI proper, but I think it's all pretty flexible. < 1622739568 124792 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo '[\]^{|}~' | iconv -f iso646-fi -t utf-8 < 1622739569 145252 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​ÄÖÅ^äöå‾ < 1622739661 360236 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's odd that Libera.Chat (the modern network) uses CASEMAPPING=rfc1459, while IRCnet (the agressively non-modern network that doesn't do services, and has half the open TLS-capable servers using expired certificates) uses CASEMAPPING=ascii. < 1622739719 32058 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: freenode used to do ascii, but they changed it when they changed the irc software < 1622739737 39015 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what they did to nick/channel registrations that clashed after < 1622739901 94643 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did a survey of ircnet.clue.be, ircnet.hostsailor.com, ssl.irc.atw-inter.net, irc.swepipe.net and openirc.snt.utwente.nl in preparation of maybe switching to an opinionated TLS-only bouncer. The first two have a valid Let's Encrypt cert, but the third has a self-signed (though not expired) certificate, the fourth had a Let's Encrypt certificate for a completely different DNS name that had expired two < 1622739907 100620 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :days ago, and the fifth had a Digicert-issued certificate that had expired in Sep 2020. < 1622739923 102426 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The last one also just closed the connection after TLS negotiation. < 1622739924 562379 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: are those all ircnet servers? < 1622739928 284566 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. < 1622739968 625207 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I picked them from http://irc.tu-ilmenau.de/all_servers/?focus=1&open=1 which is supposedly automagically maintained by a crawler. < 1622739997 972270 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Back "home" it used to be the case that you just used your ISP's IRCnet server, and didn't have to worry about these kind of things. < 1622740049 661813 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ircnet is terrible. it has a hodge-podge of servers ran to different specifications, even the nicklen and chanlen restrictions are different on them, which is, you know, weird because they apply to nicks and #-channels that are global on the network (for &-channels it would make sense) < 1622740057 197188 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and most of the servers are closed < 1622740067 50927 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and many of the servers are sometimes working sometimes not < 1622740074 317557 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am connected but I don't like the place > 1622740076 329230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jumping True14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83920 5* 03MathR 5* (+1928) 10Created page with "'''Jumping True''' is an esolang created by [[User:MathR|MathR]]. Its main particularity is that its conditional statement is based on the [[Truth-machine|truth-machine]]. It..." < 1622740088 810655 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know, but it's still "the" network for me, so I don't want to drop off. < 1622740111 97601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :freenode was "the" network for me. < 1622740128 822136 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm probably on more channels there than here, anyway. It's just that they're all utterly silent. > 1622740162 972721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jumping True14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83921&oldid=83920 5* 03MathR 5* (-2) 10 > 1622740174 441888 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83922&oldid=83897 5* 03MathR 5* (+19) 10/* J */ > 1622740235 650909 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jumping True14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83923&oldid=83921 5* 03MathR 5* (+17) 10 > 1622740400 177017 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Binary but also Brainfuck but also neither (BBABBAN)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83924 5* 03Batata 5* (+4651) 10Created page with "'''Binary but also Brainfuck but also neither''' or '''BBABBAN''' for short (pronounced '''babn''') is an [[Esoteric_programming_language|esolang]] where, as the name..." < 1622740499 335005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: in my entirely unbiased opinion you should go with norwegian hth < 1622740530 842553 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de QUIT :Quit: sknebel < 1622740551 302680 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de JOIN :#esolangs < 1622740601 406152 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622740603 217498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( BBABBAN IS YOU ) < 1622740752 166054 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :BBABBAN, is that like one of those rhyme schemes? < 1622740797 897349 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess usually it'd be written AABAABC though. < 1622741422 797822 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1622741604 543452 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MathR14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83925&oldid=83919 5* 03MathR 5* (+28) 10 > 1622741646 466237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jumping True14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83926&oldid=83923 5* 03MathR 5* (+4) 10/* Language overview */ > 1622741666 941337 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83927&oldid=83848 5* 03Batata 5* (+65) 10 > 1622741675 395597 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83928&oldid=83927 5* 03Batata 5* (+1) 10 < 1622741680 990427 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :B AB A is You < 1622741711 468586 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so < 1622741723 886542 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like this is slightly esoteric < 1622741789 917431 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you take length 10 binary strings (there's 1024 of them), 0000 occurs in 251 of them, 0101 occurs in 357 of them, 0011 occurs in 424 of them < 1622741826 534935 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :rephrased: flip a coin 10 times, how likely are you to get heads 4 times in a row? (about 25% chance) How likely are you to get heads heads tails tails (about 50% chance) > 1622741955 90813 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jumping True14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83929&oldid=83926 5* 03MathR 5* (+73) 10 < 1622741965 882698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 424 / 1024 -- sounds a bit high < 1622741967 420450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 0.4140625 > 1622741987 824485 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jumping True14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83930&oldid=83929 5* 03MathR 5* (-1) 10/* Language overview */ < 1622742042 787967 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :roughly :P < 1622742044 214957 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but still < 1622742054 801720 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the fact these probabilities are different at all is pretty striking to me! < 1622742060 560090 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found this highly unintuitive > 1622742143 317377 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jumping True14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83931&oldid=83930 5* 03MathR 5* (+6) 10/* Examples */ < 1622742216 162284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm... < 1622742295 111882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: i think it's related to the fact that some of those allow more simultaneous occurrences. like 0000000000 contains 0000 at 7 different spots < 1622742312 15930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you cannot have that many at once for 0011 or 0101 < 1622742366 360555 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I think it is! < 1622742369 499876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you count the occurrences, i think it gets even < 1622742381 974881 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :autocorrelation factor of 0000 is full, 0101 is half, 0011 is none < 1622742410 834262 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah let me try that out > 1622742417 755297 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Typeform14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83932&oldid=83826 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+18) 10 > 1622742447 718752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Typeform14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83933&oldid=83932 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+9) 10 < 1622742461 743859 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: yes, also if you flip a coin repeatedly until you first get one of two chosen infixes that you're listening to, and both infixes are the same length, it's possible that you'll more likely to encounter one of them first than the other < 1622742472 381687 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is also a bit unintuitive < 1622742559 871608 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm i tweaked the program to count with multiplicity, but i still get different values < 1622742572 7538 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are close to but all higher than the original numbers < 1622742612 482303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm that's strange, i thought they would be equal by the linearity of expectation value < 1622742631 787697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you sure you counted all occurrences :P < 1622742680 245536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :specifically, my reasoning: you _must_ have the same probability of all the strings occuring in the _first_ position, and in the _second_ position, etc. < 1622742731 189657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/of all the strings/of any string/ < 1622742883 376540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :> replicateM 10 "01" < 1622742884 794307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : ["0000000000","0000000001","0000000010","0000000011","0000000100","000000010... < 1622742963 708632 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://bpa.st/B6QA here's an example of looking for aa vs ab in length 5 bitstrings < 1622742979 702291 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :aa occurs 23 times, ab occurs 32 times < 1622742991 740015 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :this definitely doesn't make sense to me < 1622743008 951242 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :How to configure Firefox so that if the current URI is a "file:" URI that points to a EPUB file, to automatically prefix "jar:" and suffix "!/" on the URL? < 1622743016 170627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: oh i see. i meant occurrences could be _overlapping_ too. < 1622743042 526079 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1622743048 550074 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a mistake in my code < 1622743055 31385 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i meant to count overlapping < 1622743055 561442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(so aaaaa should give 4 aa, not 2) < 1622743057 446871 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me fix that < 1622743086 592326 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the python count function is broken < 1622743274 74385 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok! fixed, now I get 32 in both cases! < 1622743302 868681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay! < 1622743673 914613 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so what does this tell us... the number of times it occurs *is* equal - it's just that if a word has autocorrelation its going to happen in fewer runs, but more times per run < 1622743680 153763 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :for reasons?? that are unclear to me < 1622743703 760259 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: yes < 1622743722 561373 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1622744038 544752 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :tbh < 1622744043 702365 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like I just have 2 mysteries now < 1622744059 549245 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :why its equal when you could with multiplicity is not clear to me < 1622744527 146650 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.180.220.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esolangs < 1622744588 621823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: counting with multiplicity is the same as counting each occurence of the string at each position. < 1622744642 633114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :now this should give the same result if you do it in a different order: for each position, count the number of large strings which have the smaller string at that position. < 1622744713 833734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that is the same as, number of positions * 2 ^ (number of bits outside the smaller string) < 1622744717 305377 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :OMG < 1622744721 209767 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats so neat!! < 1622744770 225735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yw < 1622744898 235837 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are two funny probability problems that we discussed on #esoteric after I brought them up, the chameleon one and a card game < 1622744906 775298 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're somewhere in the logs < 1622745037 24794 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which ones are they? Do you remember it to copy it? < 1622745138 785537 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have links. I'll have to search for chameleon < 1622745349 796513 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should download the logs at some point to make searching esaier < 1622745441 648030 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me see... https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2016-10.html#lDQc < 1622745587 581677 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which links to https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2016-07.html#lhhc < 1622746336 538216 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can tell the problems again later if someone cares, with the cleaners proofs that we know now < 1622746364 306439 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622746899 494200 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am potentially interested in such things < 1622747232 837766 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622747657 159924 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs > 1622748580 375407 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83934&oldid=83928 5* 03Batata 5* (+3) 10 > 1622748600 347447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83935&oldid=83934 5* 03Batata 5* (+1) 10 < 1622748682 549241 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622749249 747634 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://martingalemeasure.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/monkey-typing-abracadabra-14/ < 1622749256 427981 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :monkey types randomly < 1622749259 238217 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :>Wow, the average time for the monkey to type  is actually longer than the average time to type . < 1622749272 500831 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :>Wow, the average time for the monkey to type ABA is actually longer than the average time to type ABC. < 1622749294 96010 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :does this align with the previous results? or contrast to them < 1622749434 338442 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: yes, I did mention that variant < 1622749457 95565 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1622749461 336034 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well not quite < 1622749465 137466 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mentioned something similar < 1622749471 232887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you're right that it's not the same < 1622749494 493264 :tiggilyboo_!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622749505 648485 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't that backwards though? < 1622749517 860760 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ABA should have a shorter average time to first type than ABC < 1622749538 508523 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm < 1622750210 191137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course that only applies if the monkeys hit keys uniformly. in reality they might have thick fingers so it's difficult for them to press just one button, or they're hammering on the keyboard with their fists or something < 1622750218 736615 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :uniformly and independently < 1622750345 638112 :tiggilyboo_!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl NICK :tiggilyboo < 1622750400 248634 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622750621 643919 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622750887 646772 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :disappointed that the article does not involve actual experiments with monkeys < 1622750913 247305 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1622751246 856304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1622751711 943418 :tiggilyboo_!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs > 1622751918 425863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Glypho14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83936&oldid=8211 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+1336) 10/* Python interpreter */ new section < 1622752153 701709 :tiggilyboo_!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Quit: tiggilyboo_ < 1622752280 891803 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs > 1622752382 920087 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Justiof 5* 10New user account < 1622752428 249657 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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One minor disappointment is that it seems that there's no AOT native-code emitter, so any intermediate/cached representations would have to be ad-hoc. < 1622753898 580128 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622753898 705661 :tiggilyboo_!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622753992 334149 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-c962-e9a6-2272-a8c0.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622754084 866742 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1622754100 885719 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I read about it before; I had never tried to use it though < 1622754144 127551 :tiggilyboo_!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1622754302 556582 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-c962-e9a6-2272-a8c0.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622754407 961058 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622754705 58422 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622754752 552211 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622755116 61693 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622755177 488300 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622755449 672414 :tiggilyboo_!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622755521 13332 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622755643 156120 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622755706 695195 :tiggilyboo_!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Client Quit > 1622755907 896172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Counting Calculus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83938 5* 03SoYouWantMeToDoSomethingButIWont 5* (+1038) 10Created page with "= Counting Calculus = A programming language of which the primary way of doing mathematical calculation is by counting the amount of -conversions done in a lambda-calculus e..." < 1622755916 814619 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1622756006 371448 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Counting Calculus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83939&oldid=83938 5* 03SoYouWantMeToDoSomethingButIWont 5* (+44) 10 < 1622756049 432669 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622756318 30742 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-b4ca-d901-e344-cffd.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622756411 153175 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622756721 696434 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622756849 146721 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622757127 30901 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622757207 962011 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622757531 306511 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622757573 894963 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622757719 519167 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622757932 755803 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622758028 681582 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622758060 932758 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622758342 229242 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622758463 937651 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622758742 558909 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622758777 670756 :kluk!~kluk@2603-7000-9b3f-6934-513b-33bd-7855-9371.res6.spectrum.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622758891 694189 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Hopefully it's correct too. < 1622766052 838772 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e how does Wuste Ebenen translate? https://i.imgur.com/vbqqJtI.png < 1622766117 857423 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wüste = desert, Ebene(n) = plain(s) < 1622766213 869153 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because there is a obscene word Ebenya meaning "something fucking far/disconnected", that is traditionally considered made out of such word as "ebat'" "fuck", "zaebenit" "fucking make smth"; but now seeing the word "Ebenen" on the map I'm thinking that the etymology is not like people use think < 1622766282 472728 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah, cool, because that's exactly how another map says: https://i.imgur.com/9D72Uk2.png < 1622766723 700266 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah so it's similar to the English term "bumfuck" / "bumfuck nowhere"? < 1622766731 312012 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wiktionary says that "ебать" is protoslav "*jěbati" and is the same in Serbian, Czheh, Slovak, Pol; and is related to sanskrít . यभति (yabhati) and ancient greek. οἴφω, οἰφέω; but now I don't believe Wiktionary that ебеня is from there, because it's too close to your word < 1622766801 251547 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :found one reference to the russian word on twitter https://twitter.com/cybersandwitch/status/1285193689732718593 < 1622766811 874375 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i actually have a dead-tree book of photos of soviet bus stops < 1622766818 482136 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what Wiktionary says on German Ebene: From Middle High German ebene, from Old High German ebanī, from Proto-Germanic *ebnaz, whence also Old English efen (English even), Old Norse jafn. < 1622766821 238575 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i saw it at a bookstore and was immediately like yes I need this < 1622766868 884185 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan how do I see the parent tweet? < 1622766985 166925 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :either I'm idiot in twitter or it's deleted ( < 1622767369 797776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in C, do we know what format __DATE__ will have after year 10000? I want to use it to give a likely branch hint in a date formatting routine so that before 9995 or so the branch that writes a four digit year is considered likely, but after 10000 the branch that writes a five digit year is considered likely instead < 1622767421 330434 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: https://twitter.com/ItsDanThomas/status/1284808430167957504 < 1622767443 993670 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: excellent idea < 1622767471 661719 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I could just have something in the build script that detects the date instead and defines macros accordingly, and then test those macros instead of __DATE__ < 1622767483 682545 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, this is the book I have https://twitter.com/ItsDanThomas/status/1285306157645660161 (vol 2 only) < 1622767504 306206 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan heh you'll never find such stops < 1622767838 391687 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I admire your long-term planning b_jonas < 1622767899 728417 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I mean, I probably won't < 1622767904 488134 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :because I'm unlikely to visit Russia any time soon < 1622767912 257484 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :these blogs posts copypasting these images made it impossible to google real examples lol < 1622767916 786163 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh < 1622767960 531231 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Preprocessor Macro of the Long Now. < 1622768082 741599 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan this is a little bit closer to reality https://www.goingthewholehogg.com/soviet-bus-stops/ < 1622768130 646213 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but really it's just 1-3 walls with a roof and maybe a little piece of mosaic < 1622768147 412071 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :real bus stop just won't be photographed and posted in web < 1622768205 163941 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it would be by magnitude harder to find soviet one in Russia than in Ukraine or maybe Moldova < 1622768273 98330 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1622768380 911516 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh nice, the Yandex Images search is expectedly more relevant and shows some real things instead of just top-10 blog articles: https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F%20%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0%20%D0%B2%20%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8F%D1%85 < 1622768424 242201 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is it: https://yandex.ru/images/search?pos=74&p=1&img_url=https%3A%2F%2Fi7.photo.2gis.com%2Fimages%2Fgeo%2F0%2F30258560046534811_308c.jpg&text=%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F+%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0+%D0%B2+%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8F%D1%85&rpt=simage < 1622768444 218701 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: well there's a subject i didn't realize i was interested in but i absolutely am now < 1622768445 15040 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs ::3 < 1622768529 989517 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are all Ukrainian as I see https://bugaga.ru/jokes/1146723770-sdelano-v-sssr-avtobusnye-ostanovki.html < 1622772580 995670 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, about privacy: 5 years ago here https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ there was a Chrome, i.e. not a Google Chrome but almost a Chromium, that is almost without telemetry and stuff; but now it's Google Chrome there, and the FreeSMUG project was closed in 2020 too < 1622772753 950598 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN :#esolangs < 1622772940 855842 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622773656 236133 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I write software without telemetry; the telemetry is a waste of energy. < 1622773802 770979 :mla!~mla@162.253.176.229 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622774898 361342 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there an esolang which is just a presentation of a Turing category? I found the language "Finite Groups", and I'm thinking of a cross between that and Cat/Kitten/Grace/etc. < 1622774924 320735 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my QuakeLive browser extension was sending users usernames to my Spreadsheet so I knew who used it; Google didn't catch me with it < 1622777043 469320 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622777166 646708 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1622777231 686630 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN :#esolangs > 1622777879 582723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Polyglot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83944&oldid=83833 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+46) 10/* Challenge */ > 1622778130 717215 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello, world!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83945&oldid=75658 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+254) 10 < 1622778384 432265 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf does kolmogorov have to do with hello world < 1622778778 98817 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some numbers are more compressible than others, in the Kolmogorov sense that they can be printed out by relatively short programs. "Hello world" is a number. I think that that's all that they're thinking of. < 1622779184 796302 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Quit: tiggilyboo < 1622784367 233023 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you think that this trademark license is suitable? http://sprunge.us/iagkJb < 1622786898 971019 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cd: Hi ;-) < 1622786904 441660 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :hiii < 1622786928 104498 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :i've been (trying) to run a hb instance for a bit, damn thing's fiddly but it works < 1622786931 768835 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs ::P < 1622786940 180385 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :thought it'd be funny to see what that network makes of it < 1622786942 9777 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :congrats < 1622787326 940126 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: atm the hiccups it has are 1) I didn't fully fix the ping code so it randomly times out on pissnet (I'm tired gimmie a breakkkkk), and 2) very very rarely umlbox init hangs for no apparent reason, and I can't seem to ever repro it < 1622787364 709375 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cd: sounds like fun < 1622787538 228200 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` mknod stall p && cat stall < 1622787548 636556 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION is curious if this is the first "oops eso broke" in a while < 1622787624 745686 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ^ > 1622787992 634409 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83946&oldid=83881 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (-1) 10 > 1622788031 640996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83947&oldid=83946 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+0) 10 < 1622788038 30235 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1622788086 462631 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hey, a no output < 1622788089 736096 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :only uh < 1622788094 846818 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :nearly 10min later < 1622788170 290942 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`sleep 3600 < 1622788343 166011 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1622788426 499355 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :generous, but not quite 10 minutes :) < 1622791884 433682 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622792450 389989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622793515 656156 :FireFly!firefly@user/firefly CHGHOST firefly :glowbum/gluehwuermchen/Firefly < 1622794255 440568 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1622794502 460144 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN :#esolangs < 1622796388 821895 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622799826 144043 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh, first-ever recorded CHGHOST: https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-06-04.html#lmb < 1622799830 616272 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And how come that takes long? Sure, it's a blocking read, but so's many other things, it should react to SIGTERM just as usual. < 1622800027 702069 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's just cloaking, right? had to be recorded earlier < 1622800047 550933 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It was recorded as a simulated quit-and-rejoin pair, not as a CHGHOST. < 1622800087 319023 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just turned on the extension that allows it to report it as a single thing, is all. < 1622800098 798328 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1622800164 809267 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1622800193 85381 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: You made history. (Not in a very big way, but still.) < 1622800233 528216 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I vaguely remember there used to be something screwy about how umlbox handles time, maybe it's just that its notion of 30 seconds gets real skewed. < 1622800404 970956 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sleep 1; echo a second < 1622800406 945616 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :a second < 1622800412 790933 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sleep 2; echo two seconds < 1622800415 705879 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :two seconds < 1622800422 566394 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sleep 4; echo four seconds < 1622800427 523590 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :four seconds < 1622800445 191460 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That seems to check out, roughly. But last time it broke when I went for five, somehow. < 1622800452 20027 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sleep 5; echo five seconds < 1622800464 52230 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :five seconds < 1622800476 94286 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, that was definitely more than 5. < 1622800480 726878 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sleep 10; echo ten seconds < 1622800514 897624 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :the world's longest ten seconds < 1622800535 130646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...nine... < 1622800590 972326 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. I wonder if it's something like, its "wall" clock only runs when there's actually CPU activity, so while a busy-loop gets terminated roughly in the allotted 30 seconds, an entirely idle wait can run for much longer. < 1622800694 788721 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...eight... < 1622800739 567000 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Still running, but I don't have any way to tell how far it's gotten. < 1622800767 733831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :If someone puts in a busy loop will that be enough for the sleep 10 to catch up < 1622800771 3796 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ten seconds < 1622800789 446780 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It'd be a separate UML instance, so probably not, they should be fully independent. < 1622800802 460332 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...seven... < 1622800852 929530 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :4 minutes and 51 seconds < 1622800936 455220 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Real-time Clock makes UML time deltas match wall clock deltas. This should normally be enabled." Says some random excerpt from an UML book from 15 years ago. < 1622800975 367710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I lost count. < 1622800987 5172 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...five... < 1622800987 910594 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :;-) < 1622801290 349390 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see anything relevant in the kernel config options, really. < 1622801499 559404 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There apparently used to be an option called UML_REAL_TIME_CLOCK. But I can find no sign of it in the kernel I've got there (4.19), which might mean it's either no longer an option because it's now on by default, or it's no longer an option because it just isn't supported any more. < 1622801511 973559 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/UML_REAL_TIME_CLOCK.html says "found in Linux kernels: 2.6.9–2.6.23" which was pretty long time ago. < 1622801530 751539 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` rasel @ < 1622801532 601905 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1622801553 935205 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah it responded already < 1622801623 37966 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fortunately timeouts don't really block other non-writing commands from going ahead, so it's not a huge deal if there's a stuck idle process for a few minutes. Still, would be nice to have time work more properly. < 1622801639 365031 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I'll just go with the cheap fix and add an external timeout. < 1622801693 141711 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat ../canary < 1622801693 934385 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why are you taking Polly down into the mine? Polly's a parrot, not a canary! And where's my cracker? < 1622801712 409274 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although there's this whole fancy thing with the internal one, where it has a two-phase thing: after 30 seconds, it sends TERM, and then gives the process a 5-second grace period to stop cleanly before sending KILL to it. < 1622801745 148594 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shouldn't there be a watchdog outside < 1622801789 429739 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I could try to figure out how to trigger the soft timeout from the outside, and then have an even harder one (just terminate the UML kernel) if both of those fail. < 1622801873 925807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And of course there's the whole R/W-lock thing that we underatand well enough to make this completely blocking. < 1622801891 820297 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, it still times out *eventually*. < 1622801893 902570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION shrugs < 1622801915 378382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...0.23111... < 1622801936 251980 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In case you missed it, the "10 seconds" did already finish. < 1622801967 643565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes, I ddi < 1622801969 370225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :did < 1622801984 328285 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what a pity though < 1622802005 83676 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but 5 minutes is a good effort < 1622802055 934535 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I'll probably add an extra TTY to signal in the TERM and KILL timeout triggers from the outside (where I expect time probably does run in a linear fashion), and then add one more phase which just kills the UML process. That'll simplify the init too. < 1622802064 805319 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But not now. < 1622802128 436165 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN :#esolangs < 1622802398 285836 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622804217 442881 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1 < 1622805541 154057 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN :#esolangs > 1622805791 167976 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83948&oldid=83947 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+0) 10 > 1622806109 405456 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83949&oldid=83948 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+120) 10Added a link to my python interpreter > 1622806183 492031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83950&oldid=83949 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+4) 10Put the links into an unordered list. > 1622806244 850116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83951&oldid=83950 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+18) 10Added the page to the 2021 category. < 1622809405 484637 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs > 1622810229 344718 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83952 5* 03ResU 5* (+729) 10Created page with "NOTE is an esolang created by [[User:ResU]] in 2021. It uses one-based indexing. ==Arrays== Arrays are created like this: example = Hello, world! In this case, 1622810825 782451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83953&oldid=83952 5* 03ResU 5* (+21) 10/* Commands */ > 1622811275 15852 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83954&oldid=83953 5* 03ResU 5* (+35) 10/* Commands */ > 1622813039 221277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83955&oldid=83954 5* 03ResU 5* (+395) 10/* Examples */ > 1622813072 930059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83956&oldid=83955 5* 03ResU 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ < 1622813123 119647 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.226.66.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esolangs > 1622813257 257026 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83957&oldid=82823 5* 03Xanman12321 5* (+0) 10minor fix > 1622816437 62890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jumping True14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83958&oldid=83931 5* 03MathR 5* (+56) 10 > 1622816771 606463 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jumping True14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83959&oldid=83958 5* 03MathR 5* (+17) 10 < 1622816960 46712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN :#esolangs < 1622816971 95104 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622818824 333781 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-026.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1 > 1622819271 725953 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ResU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83960&oldid=83877 5* 03ResU 5* (+15) 10 > 1622821941 512492 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Epidemic714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83961&oldid=83624 5* 03Epidemic7 5* (-113) 10 > 1622822417 521968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jumping True14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83962&oldid=83959 5* 03MathR 5* (+24) 10/* External resources */ > 1622822444 814312 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0725 bytes o:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83963 5* 03Epidemic7 5* (+308) 10Created page with "[[Category: Joke languages]] 25 bytes o: is an esoteric programming language designed to be as least functional as possible with the smallest compiler. To it's name, it's 25 b..." > 1622822648 118988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0725 bytes o:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83964&oldid=83963 5* 03Epidemic7 5* (-5) 10 > 1622822694 884578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0725 bytes o:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83965&oldid=83964 5* 03Epidemic7 5* (+68) 10 > 1622823379 23454 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FALSE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83966&oldid=58762 5* 03MathR 5* (+0) 10Changed "Computational Class" to "Computational class" > 1622825293 357893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83967&oldid=83845 5* 03ResU 5* (+38) 10/* NOTE */ < 1622826612 629503 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :`coins < 1622826618 572665 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​042ivncoin 07wilsonacoin 08q-ballendsartrecoin 09mesolammalcoin 02draysnaterreludenjarercoin 06bakcoin 13haifficidumbscoin 04owlacoin 07disorcoin 08witcoin 09lockcoin 02tsummagemoneycoin 06bincoin 13befernogcoin 04fcccoin 07thrugcoin 08fruntecoin 09cronycoin 02adedfourcoin 06uixcoin < 1622831668 67788 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1622831708 559507 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83968&oldid=83270 5* 03ResU 5* (+186) 10 < 1622832677 727419 :winircuser-780!~winircuse@170.250.221.149 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622833152 113978 :winircuser-780!~winircuse@170.250.221.149 QUIT :Quit: Powered by WinIRC > 1622835596 154901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83969&oldid=83968 5* 03Ais523 5* (+181) 10/* Category:No input */ [[:Category:Output only]]? < 1622836228 822206 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, what's the standard clean C way to wait for either a child process to terminate or a file descriptor to become ready for reading, whichever happens first? I know on modern Linux there's pidfd_open, but that's Linux >= 5.3, and this should work on 4.19. Is it just "poll on the fd and rely on SIGCHLD to cause the poll to fail with EINTR"? And do I need to change the default disposition from ignore to < 1622836234 830703 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :something else for SIGCHLD to interrupt the poll? Hmm, I guess I can just try it out. > 1622836427 950676 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83970&oldid=83743 5* 03Dnm 5* (+713) 10Deadfish in Rexx < 1622837545 266725 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" Maybe I'll just go with the cheap fix and add an external timeout." => what? that's not a cheap fix, that's the proper method, because you trust the outer machine more than the inner one < 1622837572 78536 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can also have a timeout in the inner machine so it can prepare to shut down more properly, but it's the outer one that you rely on < 1622837669 209921 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622837673 942446 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: you can use signalfd if you wish < 1622837706 147946 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or let libev or some other event loop figure out the internals and you only tell it what events you want it to wake you up for < 1622837796 347066 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a cheap fix in the sense that it doesn't fix the behavior of time measurement. I agree it's proper to have (also) an external timeout, but I was really just talking about the specific problem of being unable to measure time. < 1622837827 795265 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not that I can think of any particularly important use cases for having HackEso do accurate timing. < 1622837957 7125 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes, you can use signals: sigaction to set a signal handler on SIGCHLD, block the signal with sigsetmask, wait nonblocking to check child still alive, if it is then poll on filehandle which temporarily unblocks the signal without a race condition. but this kind of thing is messy, I' < 1622837969 638539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :d rather libev handles it, at least if this is supposed to run on Linux < 1622838044 550426 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the incantations are different in a multithreaded program < 1622838066 13357 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It does run on Linux (though as part of init). < 1622838126 16577 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because threads have separate per-thread signal masks, and signals can be directed to either a single thread or to the whole process, etc < 1622838146 963033 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, this is a single-threaded case. < 1622838223 897208 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the alternative is to have both ends of an internal pipe or eventfd, have the signal write to that as well as to memory, and make every poll wait on its reader side, so that if the signal arrives, that poll wakes up from that, even if the signal arrives shortly before the poll call, then you needn't modify the sigprocmask < 1622838253 882607 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is what libev uses to allow you to wake the event loop up from what's possibly another thread of the same process < 1622838260 651811 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it also works from the same thread) < 1622839057 787984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there might be other solutions but I don't know them > 1622840435 100056 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83971&oldid=83956 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-64) 10/* Examples */ Change code to pre < 1622840643 783231 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine > 1622840719 678446 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83972&oldid=83969 5* 03ResU 5* (+187) 10 > 1622840801 38057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83973&oldid=83972 5* 03ResU 5* (-4) 10/* Category:No input */ < 1622840806 733816 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-026.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esolangs < 1622840894 601057 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN :#esolangs > 1622841666 818792 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Commlang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83974 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+4619) 10:) > 1622841700 841511 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Monochromeninja14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83975&oldid=81516 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+46) 10 < 1622842272 130948 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sleep 3600 # this should take roughly 30 seconds < 1622842312 720525 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1622842396 803316 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :22:31:12..22:31:52 as observed from here. That's so suspiciously close to 40 seconds, it's making me think that (unlike at home) the 30- and 35-second soft and medium-hard timeout signals did not in fact work, and only the 40-second actually-hard timeout made it stop. < 1622842503 267466 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The way it is supposed to work now is, 30 seconds after starting the UML kernel, we write a 0 byte to one of its TTY inputs; if it hasn't terminated in 5 more seconds; we write a 1 byte; and if it *still* doesn't terminate in 5 more seconds, we send a SIGKILL to all the UML processes. < 1622842659 631159 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the umlbox init's "run" command handler is supposed to watch that TTY for input; if it reads a 0, it sends a SIGTERM to the running command; and if it reads a 1 (well, any non-zero byte), it just does a `reboot(LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_POWER_OFF);`, which is what it normally does to gracefully stop. < 1622842723 964748 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It does work at home, terminating at the 30-second mark. But of course it's a different system. < 1622842927 653248 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. It also does terminate in exactly 10 seconds, and cleanly, if I just manually execute something like `umlbox --no-stdin --base-mounts --cwd / --timeout 10 --verbose /bin/sleep 3600` on the HackEso system. Which is very very close to the command it runs under multibot, except with a bunch of extra mounts and environment variables and resource limits. < 1622842981 995113 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hrm. It takes 20 seconds if I omit `--verbose`. But if I omit `--verbose`, I don't know what's going on. > 1622842997 440077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83976&oldid=83951 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+9) 10 < 1622843050 351937 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually, maybe part of what --verbose does enables the read from that TTY. Because I used just the debugging console's "input" side, since it had no other existing purpose. < 1622843248 907063 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The flag does change whether I issue a tcsetattr command to configure it to raw mode. Maybe it's doing some sort of terminal line buffering otherwise. > 1622843450 648719 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alivefish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83977 5* 03ResU 5* (+474) 10Created page with "Alivefish was created by [[User:ResU]] in 2021. It is very similar to [[Deadfish]] and [[AEWNN]]. ==Commands== {| class=wikitable !Command !Description |- |v- |Is..." < 1622843503 373408 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that seems plausible. I managed to actually fix it by just adding a newline after the 0 or 1. Hmm. Can't decide whether to go with that fix, or just make it use a dedicated TTY. > 1622843561 1009 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ResU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83978&oldid=83960 5* 03ResU 5* (+20) 10 < 1622844059 776417 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sleep 3600 # this should be a little closer to 30 seconds, but who knows really < 1622844095 425056 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1622844150 835137 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :23:00:59..23:01:35 as seen from here. Hmm, that's closer to 35 seconds now, rather than 30. < 1622844200 113448 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But `time .../umlbox --no-stdin --base-mounts --cwd / --timeout 10 /bin/sleep 3600` says 0m10.255s, which is much closer. Odd. < 1622844371 466829 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, maybe there's something about invoking /hackenv/bin/` that makes sending SIGTERM to the primary child process (the shell?) not actually terminate the whole thing. Yeah, because we still wait for the cat (and don't send it SIGTERM in case the command had something to output), and there's bound to be some other subprocess then keeping the cat's input pipe not EOF. I bet that's it. < 1622844457 87907 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eh, it's probably good enough. I guess I could get a little closer by making the actual command child start a new process group, and then do kill(-child, SIGTERM) instead of kill(child, SIGTERM), but I think maybe we're at the point of diminishing returns here. < 1622844616 217102 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`perl -esleep 3600; # if that hypothesis is right, this should be closer still to 30 seconds < 1622844646 845493 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1622844680 519347 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :23:10:16..23:10:46, yay. < 1622846477 121440 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.226.66.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1622847205 305600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: if the first signal is SIGTERM and it's delivered only to the shell, not to sleep, then it's no wonder it has no effect. you should try SIGHUP instead. < 1622847229 359887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or send to the whole process group, or to the foreground process group of the terminal, or to every process except init since you're shutting down the whole machine < 1622847239 225001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but even so send a SIGHUP after the SIGTERM\ < 1622847251 985454 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or don't, the SIGKILL will kill everything < 1622847314 425995 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, you found the bug < 1622847495 982137 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that it might be useful to define some new signals, such as SIGMEM (normally does nothing, but for some programming languages it might be possible for the standard library to reduce memory usage) and SIGOOM (normally terminates the process; if it isn't terminated and there still isn't enough memory, then it is forcibly terminated anyways) and SIGUSR3. < 1622847517 227931 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(That is not applicable to your specific case, but still I think it might be of some use for other things) < 1622848683 751670 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1622850506 591315 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alivefish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83979&oldid=83977 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+38) 10/* Commands */ Seems to have them > 1622850524 337177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alivefish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83980&oldid=83979 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* Hello, world! */ cat > 1622850759 714110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth Machine (language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83981&oldid=83878 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10Confused formatted cats > 1622850817 564726 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83982&oldid=83520 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+51) 10Confusion > 1622853695 771522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83983&oldid=83976 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+426) 10Added a calculator program. > 1622853763 351334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83984&oldid=83983 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+2) 10Fixed spelling error > 1622854199 334350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83985&oldid=83984 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+8) 10Added indents to make things more pleasing. > 1622855924 526755 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83986&oldid=83985 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (-4) 10 > 1622859669 714397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Memfractal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83987&oldid=46148 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+101) 10Linked implementation. > 1622860759 406494 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Danya02 5* 10New user account > 1622860997 509630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83988&oldid=83937 5* 03Danya02 5* (+224) 10 > 1622861261 829521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Caenbe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83989&oldid=82934 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+98) 10Added Memfractal < 1622862310 100162 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My idea of cryptographic hash is: let d[4...11] = message block; let d[12...13] = sequence number; let d[14...15] = constant; chacha20(d); let t[4...15] = t[4...15] xor d[4...15]; chacha20(t); (It is not the final hash though) (Also, it is not meant for actual use since so far is only being the idea/experimental) < 1622863569 993210 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622863708 737899 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1622863708 834219 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1622864791 30932 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I should review the RASEL specification to change ASCII with some 0..255 encoding < 1622864837 582956 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's kind of undefined where it will (and it probably will) crash if you send 128..255 to stdin < 1622864855 328594 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another coding is the PC character coding < 1622864950 499443 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel -stdin 1 & .@ < 1622864960 776187 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :output: "1 ", exit code: 0 < 1622864991 589869 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel -stdin 1 ~ .@ < 1622864992 738814 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :output: "49 ", exit code: 0 < 1622865000 832653 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel -stdin Ы ~ .@ < 1622865021 96753 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol 06:50:02 thread error: # < 1622866226 682639 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Better is probably don't care about the encoding just ensure that bytes outside of the ASCII range can still be received. > 1622866677 872443 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Baba Is You14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83990&oldid=81572 5* 03Danya02 5* (+3972) 10/* Words */ Major refactor of text to make wordings more specific and helpful as documentation. > 1622866739 415541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Baba Is You14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83991&oldid=83990 5* 03Danya02 5* (+1) 10/* Words */ Closing unmatched code block. > 1622868243 573506 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Baba Is You14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83992&oldid=83991 5* 03Danya02 5* (+1568) 10/* Infinite loop */ Describing how the infinite loop works. < 1622868456 740044 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm currently adding the -multiline to \rasel > 1622868462 617539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Baba Is You14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83993&oldid=83992 5* 03Danya02 5* (+99) 10/* Operator NOT */ Adding notice about X is not X. < 1622868472 717015 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but idk how to make the multiline stdin ..D > 1622868797 447626 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83994&oldid=83970 5* 03Dnm 5* (+595) 10Deadfish in Hot Soup Processor < 1622870104 381440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf, I want to test the endpoint but printf... < 1622870106 843353 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ printf '-stdin 1 & .@\n' < 1622870107 49913 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :-bash: printf: -s: invalid option < 1622870215 459907 :lucky!~joel@user/lucky QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1622870301 755797 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1622870303 86637 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ curl -X POST -d $(printf %s '-stdin 1 \& .@' | base64) http://localhost:8080 < 1622870303 213902 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :output: 1 , exit code: 0 < 1622870751 632651 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ curl -X POST -d $(printf %s '-stdin|2|-multiline|& v >.@| >3v' | base64) http://localhost:8080 < 1622870751 753924 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :output: 3 , exit code: 2 < 1622870780 47528 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I removed the space between the '-stdin' and '' < 1622871324 656748 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.highgate.irccloud.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622875244 649435 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, doesn't look like Libera accepts 510 bytes < 1622875288 404275 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :privmsg = "PRIVMSG #{addr} :#{msg}" < 1622875294 496672 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :privmsg[-4..-1] = "..." until privmsg.bytesize <= 510 < 1622875303 999914 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I don't see the trailing "..." < 1622875367 612267 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :31 bytes are lost < 1622876396 691835 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622876429 693647 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622876686 788788 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622876720 121254 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622876934 11456 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel :,01--:G1G//-?#@ < 1622876935 160761 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :output: [NUL] [LF] [CR] !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~€‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬­®¯°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ, exit code: 255 < 1622876948 260181 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel -stdin|10|-multiline|1&$:?v:1-3\$/1\| >$11\/.@ < 1622876949 409767 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :output: 3628800 , exit code: 0 < 1622877199 680844 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\help rasel < 1622877199 829417 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel ; \rasel -stdin; \rasel -multiline; \rasel -stdin-multiline; don't forget the '@' or it will timeout; timelimit=30s; https://esolangs.org/wiki/RASEL < 1622877260 130047 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1622877491 948240 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velik14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83995&oldid=83636 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+4) 10added -multiline example > 1622877583 703800 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velik14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83996&oldid=83995 5* 03Nakilon 5* (-4) 10the output isn't passed through String#inspect anymore thanks to more correct sanitizing in IRC library < 1622879291 249814 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: It does accept exactly 510 bytes, it's just that the limit is for the whole thing, not what you might think of as "the message". When seen by *other* clients, the entire ":nick!user@host PRIVMSG #channel :blah blah blah" must fit into 510 bytes. < 1622879350 563905 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1622879442 684562 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :'velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com' is 52 bytes long though < 1622879547 94827 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :> length ":nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon " < 1622879548 399691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 31 < 1622879553 879660 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Possibly you were measuring that instead. < 1622879561 207585 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't know how you got to 31.) < 1622880001 743615 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm, somehow my second bot instance has shorter hostnam < 1622880011 19379 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs : /whois velik2 < 1622880050 892092 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, sure, it's from my home machine < 1622880064 391434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622880081 17421 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://dpaste.org/cAp6/slim < 1622880136 353203 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :510, something close > 1622880303 594470 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DimensionDoors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83997&oldid=72117 5* 03MathR 5* (+17) 10 < 1622880544 450106 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN :#esolangs > 1622880557 585362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DimensionDoors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83998&oldid=83997 5* 03MathR 5* (-9) 10 < 1622880649 435736 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1622881045 740553 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs > 1622881470 239260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83999&oldid=83986 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+166) 10Added infobox > 1622881492 200775 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84000&oldid=83999 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (-1) 10Fixed spelling mistake > 1622881513 771987 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84001&oldid=84000 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+1) 10Fixed spelling mistake > 1622881769 191869 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84002&oldid=84001 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (+86) 10Edited infobox > 1622881849 696928 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84003&oldid=84002 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (-3) 10Changed the implementations section. Re-arranged the implementations in the list. < 1622882255 502542 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622882688 63704 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1622884374 374981 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1622885565 135047 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Grs 5* 10New user account > 1622886456 997192 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84004&oldid=83988 5* 03Grs 5* (+117) 10 > 1622886545 554098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84005&oldid=84004 5* 03Grs 5* (+6) 10 < 1622887326 477500 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1622887604 95424 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.226.66.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esolangs < 1622887774 690938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esolangs < 1622890853 735919 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.1 < 1622891854 802213 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622891945 979790 :Deepfriedice!~Deepfried@60-241-43-208.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esolangs < 1622892254 738394 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN :#esolangs < 1622892326 128556 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1622892837 306086 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84006 5* 03Grs 5* (+12488) 10Created page with "Not to be confused with [[OneLine]] or [[Oneline]]

OLNMLN or OneLineNoMoreLinesNeeded is a programming language where everything is written in one line! It was written..." > 1622892995 436921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84007&oldid=84006 5* 03Grs 5* (+2) 10 > 1622893021 714030 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84008&oldid=84007 5* 03Grs 5* (-1) 10 < 1622893022 895376 :Deepfriedice!~Deepfried@60-241-43-208.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1622893036 382646 :Deepfriedice!~Deepfried@60-241-43-208.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esolangs > 1622893266 99076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84009&oldid=84008 5* 03Grs 5* (+54) 10 > 1622893370 372349 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84010&oldid=84009 5* 03Grs 5* (+81) 10 > 1622893517 495704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Grs14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84011 5* 03Grs 5* (+34) 10Created page with "Hello everyone! I made [[OLNMLN]]!" > 1622893804 190950 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84012&oldid=83922 5* 03Grs 5* (+13) 10/* O */ > 1622894721 824539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84013&oldid=84010 5* 03Grs 5* (-16) 10 > 1622894980 136684 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84014&oldid=84013 5* 03Grs 5* (+108) 10 > 1622895173 157077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84015&oldid=84014 5* 03Grs 5* (+8) 10 > 1622895355 583758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84016&oldid=84015 5* 03Grs 5* (+108) 10 > 1622895543 99185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84017&oldid=84016 5* 03Grs 5* (+81) 10 > 1622895656 918184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84018&oldid=84017 5* 03Grs 5* (+41) 10 > 1622895705 663987 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84019&oldid=84018 5* 03Grs 5* (-4) 10 > 1622895725 769547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84020&oldid=83631 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+1) 10/* The FlipJump CPU */ > 1622898483 928032 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DimensionDoors14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84021&oldid=83998 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10Should probably be removed > 1622898528 510361 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84022&oldid=84019 5* 03Grs 5* (+33) 10 > 1622898560 384947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84023&oldid=84022 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-5) 10/* How it works */ Tpyo > 1622898697 700676 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84024&oldid=84023 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10/* Interpretation of code */ Categories/ul > 1622898940 645118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84025&oldid=84024 5* 03Grs 5* (+41) 10 > 1622899036 75835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84026&oldid=84025 5* 03Grs 5* (+4) 10 < 1622899355 9492 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wanna make \ruby repl too, but since it would need proper sandboxing for file system and network and since it appears that it's not really possible to do docker in a docker, I have to read a ton of boring sysadmin docs about network isolation < 1622899403 414666 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's not gonna be soon < 1622899471 772096 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but when I make it would be trivial to add any kind of repl to it < 1622899500 688513 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean any language interpreter < 1622899974 979587 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space NICK :queeries < 1622899993 109235 :queeries!~quassel@autistic.space NICK :Soni < 1622900927 447319 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here's the scow-est thing about the IRC message length limit: if a client is using the (deprecated) identify-msg capability, which adds a '-' or '+' prefix to every PRIVMSG/NOTICE body indicating whether the sender was identified to services or not, that decreases the maximum available size by one. And there's no possible way a bot can know if the recipient (or *any* recipient when sending to a channel) < 1622900933 448964 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :has that on. So it has to either pessimistically assume and send one byte less it could, or just accept that if someone does use it, they might get the last byte truncated. < 1622900939 66333 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Fortunately that extension's pretty dead by now.) < 1622900971 688770 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was sort of wondering about turning on "account-tag" for #esolangs logs, because then you could validate whether someone using a nickname was doing so legitimately, when reading the logs, but I don't know if that would *really* be worth the hassle. < 1622901373 423736 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also I don't know how I'd present it when rendering. It's easy to come up with ways to indicate a single bit of information, but that doesn't quite suffice for the case where account != nickname.) < 1622901924 532180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm... < 1622901948 849533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: mouseover text? < 1622902183 278087 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess there's that. I could add a superscript '?' between the nickname and the closing '>' for unidentified, and a superscript '*' with mouseover text denoting the account for the mismatch case, and leave the unannotated version for the common case where both are the same. Though it's not like impostors have been a particular problem. < 1622902409 269587 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably not worth it < 1622902520 250239 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.1 > 1622902736 800176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A?!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84027&oldid=67699 5* 03Grs 5* (-2) 10Fixed some grammar issues < 1622902943 193381 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN :#esolangs < 1622903596 980657 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs < 1622903897 291034 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Quit: tiggilyboo > 1622904350 610636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84028&oldid=84026 5* 03Grs 5* (+54) 10 > 1622904393 76829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84029&oldid=84028 5* 03Grs 5* (+1) 10 > 1622904797 427773 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OneLineNoMoreLinesNeeded14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84030 5* 03Grs 5* (+20) 10Redirected page to [[OLNMLN]] > 1622905152 477166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84031&oldid=63534 5* 03MathR 5* (+279) 10/* Every valid command in W with explanations (inputs replaced with X) */ > 1622905318 794930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84032&oldid=84031 5* 03MathR 5* (+188) 10/* Error codes */ < 1622905610 769360 :Deepfriedice!~Deepfried@60-241-43-208.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1622907062 846065 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN :#esolangs < 1622908158 571731 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs > 1622908374 564527 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84033&oldid=84029 5* 03Grs 5* (+14) 10Added output for example at stop command. < 1622910103 554701 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Quit: tiggilyboo > 1622911339 652958 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Minsky Swap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84034&oldid=76190 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+440) 10/* Computational Class */ Category proposal < 1622911782 419574 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1622911818 438322 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN :#esolangs < 1622912490 954255 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm < 1622912536 455067 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are operations on top of the stack, and there are some stack-based languages that have multiple stacks with operations of, for example, swapping top two stacks < 1622912554 77511 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine the stack to be 2 dimensional < 1622912581 824930 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there is the zero-corner and two axes < 1622912609 163329 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the "swap" instruction would swap two stacks on either of two axes < 1622912655 315134 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or actually it can always swap by the same axis but there would be an instruction of transposing the stack > 1622912688 692382 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minsky Swap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84035&oldid=79331 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+271) 10Completed PDA equivalence proof and added category < 1622912732 704714 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Forth has two stacks (a data stack and return stack), although some implementations have some additional stacks also < 1622912998 154292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :istr befunge-98 has something called a "stack stack" < 1622913034 515087 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, but there are different sets of operations on the top stack and on the stack of stacks < 1622913035 197169 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It does, though there aren't that many operations that operate on any but the topmost stack. < 1622913071 412714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess it probably doesn't have a transpose command :P < 1622913078 548325 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can push on a new stack, pop off an old stack, and then there's one bulk transfer operation to either direction, that's about it. < 1622913125 59445 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also modifications of the stack stack annoyingly also modify the storage origin (that g/p coordinates are relative to), which isn't always that convenient. < 1622913143 266540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1622913201 384004 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The sequence of instructions to do either of those on its own (just change the offset, or manipulate the stack stack) is annoyingly convoluted, though doable. > 1622913250 523994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minsky Swap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84036&oldid=84035 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+250) 10/* Computational class */ A little more detail < 1622913286 87799 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The "push a new stack" instruction { sets the new offset to the location of the next instruction executed after the {, somewhat bizarrely; it also pushes the old offset onto the old stack, so that } can read it from there. So a suitable {...} combo (with a bit of stack manipulation in-between) can set an arbitrary storage offset. < 1622913370 875126 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0{02-u0}$$ or something along those lines, assuming a two-dimensional Funge-98. < 1622913492 33844 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess if you change all the instructions to work on the stack-stack level it won't work well though; I guess you'll want to push just a single value, not the whole vector of them, and it doesn't seem to be emulatable; so there should be some universal instruction modifier to "enable the stack-stack mode for the next instruction" or a defined < 1622913492 151834 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :subset of instructions that are modifiable < 1622913811 919586 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :need to find some other useful uses of transpose though, not just for the swap two top stacks instruction < 1622913898 745431 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :How does transpose work with stacks of different sizes? Is it just assumed to be an infinite expanse of 0s beyond the bottom, like a Befunge stack? < 1622913943 646257 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I couldn't implement the brainfuck in rasel because it needs at least two stacks -- one for befunge runtime and one for the stack of [] loops < 1622913967 141614 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, automatically expand to make the rectangle < 1622914092 211221 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the potential "push the N value onto the every stack" would either work in a way that demands a strict definition of how the stacks expand or in the way of lazy pushes < 1622914162 709078 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. when you push a new stack of Ns it's infinitely long and when you need to expand another axis it should remember to push additional Ns when needed < 1622914235 259533 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(still need to find a use case of such N-stack-push though) < 1622914695 891863 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: don't turn it on please. if you want to get that information, get it from the other extensions. < 1622914735 598602 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the problem with it? < 1622914771 753537 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: the truncated byte, plus it only tells you one but, not what the actual account name is < 1622914782 408580 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's identify-msg, not account-tag. < 1622914801 845688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, you want the proper non-depreciated thing? < 1622914804 996206 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, you can turn it on if you want < 1622914819 123087 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean don't turn on the old depreciated identify-msg thing < 1622914856 961236 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :except maybe on freenode but only if we run out of reasonable ways to filter bridge forward spam < 1622914862 416472 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't think it will come to that < 1622914879 323465 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it gets that far, we should just quiet unidentified there < 1622914881 540475 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I don't know if I want account-tag or not. I just noticed it got turned on for my potential future personal logs when using pounce, even without asking. < 1622914909 1391 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: does account-tag tell you more than the old combo whox+account+extjoin < 1622914910 293529 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1622914922 7184 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't experimented with account-tag yet < 1622914928 575262 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It tells you the account for private messages without asking specifically, which of course doesn't matter for #esolangs logs. < 1622914940 387219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah I see < 1622914951 395077 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does it tell only the account name, or something more about the account too? < 1622914962 487319 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just the account name. < 1622914965 386488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks < 1622915726 210257 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :PostScript has several stacks, including the operand stack, execution stack (which can be read but cannot be directly manipulated), the dictionary stack (which stores only dictionaries and the bottom three items cannot be removed), the graphics stack, the clipping stack (stored in the graphics stack), and possibly others that I forgot. There are also VM saves, too. < 1622915805 864899 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Allowing the execution stack to be altered directly might allow you to implement some more sophisticated functions, such as continuations perhaps) < 1622915855 611065 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and also like FORGET does in INTERCAL, too, maybe) < 1622916022 175449 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"... needs at least two stacks -- one for befunge runtime and ..." - s/befunge/brainfuck < 1622916161 493302 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Free Hero Mesh has four stacks: the operand stack, the call stack (which also includes the Self variable, as well as internal functions), the message stack (which stores all message variables other than Self), and the pattern stack (used for backtracking when a pattern match fails). < 1622916255 837579 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For implementing loops like the [] loops in brainfuck, there is perhaps three ways, which is to convert to GOTO like Forth does, to use a execution stack like PostScript does, or to seek forward and backward each time when executing the loop. < 1622916566 915687 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN :#esolangs > 1622917785 293992 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Michal Atlas 5* 10New user account > 1622917940 704002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03ResU 5* 10moved [[02A programming language is a formal language comprising a set of instructions that produce various kinds of output.10]] to [[A programming language is a formal language comprising a set of strings that produce various kinds of output.]]: Wikipedia first sentence change < 1622918544 445026 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esolangs > 1622918658 915162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLNE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84039 5* 03Grs 5* (+9192) 10Created page with "Not to be confused with [[OLNMLN]] OLNMLNE or OneLineNoMoreLinesNeededinEntropy is a programming language that is almost the same as [[OLNMLN]]. It was written by ~~~. The di..." < 1622918779 998890 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs esolangs :esolangs.org < 1622918780 24184 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs < 1622919061 806072 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Quit: tiggilyboo > 1622921391 904815 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84040&oldid=84033 5* 03Grs 5* (+29) 10 > 1622921466 270656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLNE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84041&oldid=84039 5* 03Grs 5* (+26) 10 > 1622921500 113159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLNE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84042&oldid=84041 5* 03Grs 5* (+2) 10/* See also */ > 1622921717 503213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLNE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84043&oldid=84042 5* 03Grs 5* (-4) 10 < 1622921924 735312 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622922066 917754 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN #esolangs Cale :realname < 1622922288 889504 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN #esolangs Cale :realname < 1622922392 937247 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN #esolangs Cale :realname < 1622922422 711757 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN #esolangs Cale :realname < 1622922575 978815 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1622923255 451036 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84044&oldid=76076 5* 03Grs 5* (+175) 10 > 1622923331 761957 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0725614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84045&oldid=79025 5* 03Grs 5* (-2) 10 > 1622923380 538939 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84046&oldid=84044 5* 03Grs 5* (+30) 10 < 1622923553 587971 :Guest9!~Guest9@2600:1700:9180:87b0:5034:3fb4:70dd:30df JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest9 < 1622923587 505548 :Guest9!~Guest9@2600:1700:9180:87b0:5034:3fb4:70dd:30df PRIVMSG #esolangs :new here < 1622923598 341387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :`welcome Guest9 < 1622923601 301947 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest9: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1622923637 836324 :Guest9!~Guest9@2600:1700:9180:87b0:5034:3fb4:70dd:30df PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ResU is who I am < 1622923802 833908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1622924108 428684 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84047&oldid=84040 5* 03Grs 5* (-17) 10 > 1622924147 872957 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84048&oldid=84047 5* 03Grs 5* (+8) 10 > 1622924176 87099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLNE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84049&oldid=84043 5* 03Grs 5* (-1) 10 > 1622924191 150715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLNE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84050&oldid=84049 5* 03Grs 5* (-1) 10 < 1622924541 685712 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs esolangs :esolangs.org < 1622924541 734249 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs > 1622924567 251496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OHE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84051 5* 03ResU 5* (+283) 10Created page with "```OHE``` is an esolang created by [[User:ResU]] in 2021. Every program prints "Hello, world!". ==Examples== ===Hello, world!===
 ===Quine=== 
Hello, world! 1622925069 294416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OHE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84052&oldid=84051 5* 03ResU 5* (+0) 10
> 1622925547 875984 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84053&oldid=83842 5* 03Kantoros1 5* (-1139) 10Simplified the code examples, NDBall is much more capable than it seems. 99 bottles of beer program takes up only 4 dimensions, but has almost 450 instructions.
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> 1622928477 335146 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Newton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84056&oldid=84055 5* 03Grs 5* (+44) 10/* I made a interpreter */
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> 1622932052 982737 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07,,,14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84058&oldid=77285 5* 03ResU 5* (+0) 10fixed typo
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> 1622933983 5049 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Milk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84060&oldid=83583 5* 03Salmmanfred 5* (+85) 10/* Implementations */
> 1622934997 839081 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84061&oldid=31062 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+1040) 10I'm not sure about "evaluates to true" but I think non-zero numbers evaluate to true, so it should be pretty easy to implement a Minsky machine.
> 1622936284 215171 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Programming Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84062&oldid=78372 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+8) 10Name change
> 1622936297 681465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5*  10moved [[02A programming language is a formal language comprising a set of strings that produce various kinds of output.10]] to [[A programming language is a formal language comprising a set of strings that produce various kinds of machine code output.]]: The name changed
> 1622936393 702084 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84065&oldid=84046 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10/* Why is the article still in the unimplemented category? */ Un-unsigned
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> 1622938764 897358 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Neural Brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84067 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+214) 10Created page with "==s Command== This is Turing complete, if the s command is allowed to be a [[Spoon]] implementation that maps programs to their output. ;) ~~~~"
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> 1622939809 532968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84068&oldid=84061 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+25) 10This seems to be more accurate given the examples.
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> 1622940848 937390 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84070&oldid=78013 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+443) 10
> 1622941110 758607 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84071&oldid=84070 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+222) 10/* HelVM */ Reply
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< 1622951557 641549 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh
< 1622951633 654905 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found how to get the value 129 in RASEL using 7 instructions without 0..9A..Z
< 1622951659 41029 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :previous 7 long way to do it was C1B//3-
< 1622953948 446880 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, tempting. https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/clickbait.png
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< 1622954957 932194 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Comments should be written in baby talk whenever possible. /* We truncy-wuncate the stringy-wingy we were given and we push-push-push it onto the stacky-wacky, don't we? Yes we do! Yes we do! */
< 1622954971 119849 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(c)  Chris Pressey
< 1622955011 102007 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :stacky-wacky-based language
< 1622955042 589115 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :n
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< 1622955249 333027 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree with all these points: https://programmers.blogoverflow.com/2012/08/20-controversial-programming-opinions/
< 1622956024 915970 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also agree with what is written there
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> 1622960186 284253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84074&oldid=84005 5* 03GotCubes 5* (+224) 10/* Introductions */
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< 1622963362 967666 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tape article says "See Category:Cell-based for more tape-based esolangs. " that is in my opinion confusing
< 1622963449 758596 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the tape in brainfuck and the program space in befunge are different things; in brainfuck the moving pointer is accesing the data while in befunge it's accessing the instructions
< 1622963500 593364 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :while that data access in befunge is random, not using the left/right instructions but  p and g
< 1622963534 99483 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's a mistake to call the befunge program space an analogue of tape
< 1622963600 990159 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wiki is synonymizing them
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< 1622966441 819193 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I think I disagree. If I saw a language that's like brainfuck but with random access instructions, I'd think it's very like brainfuck, and if I saw a language like befunge, but with a program space data pointer that you can move about, I'd think it's very like befunge
< 1622966647 497934 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, because the brainfuck tape and befunge space are different things
< 1622966746 978705 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's why I see no reason to have the link to "cell-based" saying "to read more about tape-based" (and vise versa)
< 1622966763 429684 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think they're very different things at all
< 1622966807 877895 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi Taneb
< 1622966817 517317 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Seen any good cats lately?
< 1622966823 348299 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :tape means you have a pointer than you instruct to shift its position by delta
< 1622966824 337885 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Only from a distance :(
< 1622966829 311103 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :cell based ness
< 1622966838 456630 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :cell-basedness says nothing about the pointer
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< 1622967036 345340 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in brainfuck the data pointer and the instruction pointer are different things, operating isolated; in befunge they are mixed together by using the program space as memory
< 1622967092 762289 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :befunge isn't more tape-based than C
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< 1622979214 363635 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree that fungespace doesn't feel particularly tape-y, but I don't think the fact that it merges the data and instruction pointers together is what makes the difference.
< 1622979219 419007 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are a number of brainfuck flavors that do the same (make the "data pointer" also operate on the program itself), and those are just as "tape-based" as regular brainfuck.
< 1622979222 422562 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, the "see Category:Cell-based for more tape-based esolangs" doesn't imply that all languages in the category would be tape-based; it just says there are some tape-based ones in it, which can't really be argued against, when probably half of them (exaggerating, but not by much) are derivatives of brainfuck, *the* tape-based language.
> 1622979465 305137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Magnogen 5*  10New user account
> 1622979815 884242 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84078&oldid=84074 5* 03Magnogen 5* (+191) 10/* Introductions */
> 1622980448 599983 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Magnogen14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84079 5* 03Magnogen 5* (+751) 10Created page with "Hey!  My name's Magnogen, but you can call me Mag - my friends call me that anyway. I like to code, even though it causes my great pain sometimes.  I've been making a few prog..."
> 1622980469 582991 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Magnogen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84080&oldid=84079 5* 03Magnogen 5* (+3) 10
> 1622980489 69673 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Magnogen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84081&oldid=84080 5* 03Magnogen 5* (+4) 10
> 1622980499 898566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Magnogen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84082&oldid=84081 5* 03Magnogen 5* (+1) 10
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< 1622980947 439349 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hah, the X.509 subject identifier of the certificate you-know-who uses to connect contains the component "O = Fungot Engineering", and I had completely forgotten putting it there.
< 1622981084 632749 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::)
< 1622983077 462137 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was a CS:GO skin few years ago in Steam Market that costed $0.1, I was thinking about buying a thousand of them
< 1622983089 951360 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now they cost $17 ..\
< 1622983228 856524 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1622983231 394163 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I had to make a script to keep track of those but I didn't bother to
< 1622983291 79505 :sknebel_!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de NICK :sknebel
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< 1622986304 493947 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie do threads in funge-98 have own stacks?
< 1622986499 332899 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or is it only one
< 1622986605 714520 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's one and threads are just pointers, hm
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> 1622987274 420840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84083&oldid=84048 5* 03Grs 5* (+369) 10
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< 1622987773 482720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : I guess it's one and threads are just pointers, hm <-- that sounds like it would be hard to program
< 1622987821 437615 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh remember the box256 thread model
< 1622987869 633524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(just a random association for "threads" and "hard to program")
< 1622987883 772070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't, should i be happy? :P
< 1622987957 624543 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I don't know. It was fun. I'm still on the official leaderboard. https://www.reddit.com/r/box256/comments/4dtkwb/official_leaderboard/
< 1622987973 58876 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it was ages ago
< 1622988012 376382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it kind of died quickly
< 1622988082 77091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( maybe it deadlocked )
< 1622988098 612388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah, people just lost interest
< 1622988125 689451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :apathiclocked
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< 1622988958 144529 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid?
< 1622988970 179519 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :(
< 1622990822 689551 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver
< 1622991390 671259 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: No, each thread has a separate stack.
< 1622991419 959657 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: It's the (lesser-known) Befunge-97 or -96 (I forget which) where each thread shares the same stack, and doesn't even get its own stack pointer.
< 1622991453 690104 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or more precisely, separate stack -> separate stack stack.
< 1622991519 406728 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://quuxplusone.github.io/Fungus/docs/spec98.html#Concurrent "When a child IP is borne unto Funge-Space thus, its location, storage offset, and stack are all copied verbatim from the parent IP's."
< 1622991533 382419 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"In Concurrent Funge, IP's are sometimes called threads and each has its own location, delta, and stack."
< 1622991674 711410 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like the fact that -97's shared stack was practically impossible to program (you'd have to cycle-count everything to prevent the separate IPs from trampling all over what they're doing) is why 98 is the one that really "made it".
< 1622991685 520123 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://catseye.tc/article/Languages.md#befunge-97 "Befunge-97 was an unimplemented attempt to design a successor to Befunge-93. The design, however, was not successful — it has been described as "brain-damaged" — primarily due to the fact that separate processes were specified as sharing a single stack."
< 1622992124 71779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least it's definitely esoteric :P
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> 1622992711 275294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall/Program Archive14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84085 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+77) 10Created page with "{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed nowrap" |+ | name |- |text |}"
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< 1622993487 339581 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let's see if I could convince fungot to run under OpenRC's experimental service-supervisor, because why stick with something that works when you can introduce a new piece of nonsense in? 
< 1622993487 672972 :fungot!~fungot@88.98.228.179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: and if a lot of things to start getting such an awareness?? oh, yeh!! first you need to have +x attributes for the query.
< 1622993506 75070 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That sounds vaguely unsettling, but I'll still go ahead with it.
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< 1622993631 971878 :Guest9!~Guest9@2600:1700:9180:87b0:80ca:e60a:2432:d5ef PRIVMSG #esolangs :NOTNEW
< 1622993643 98566 :Guest9!~Guest9@2600:1700:9180:87b0:80ca:e60a:2432:d5ef PRIVMSG #esolangs :I WAS HERE YESTERDAY
< 1622994040 746457 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :VERY LOUD
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< 1622994093 386875 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Did you gain some new kind of awareness from the new setup? 
< 1622994093 533498 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: the .deb worked here. hope it didn't break my notify like it did?
< 1622994112 48879 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: happy to hear that
< 1622994112 159641 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: no. the scsh manual is??? what about cfunge???
< 1622994130 194393 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: ...you've installed a .deb package in your new Alpine-based container? What are you even doing? 
< 1622994130 407491 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: it's hard in basic english....... huh.......interesting....... what kind of game, like e.g. procedure 6949 ( unnamed in fnord
< 1622994140 127324 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: good question, what befunge implementation *are* you using?
< 1622994140 247535 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: let tcl parse for me.
< 1622994151 714488 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Spoilers: it's cfunge.)
< 1622994151 762753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: oh you poor little thing
< 1622994151 995551 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: unless it divides by 0 in which case, treating it as a multimedia message to myself with the task of adding 10 directories to a list which the last element
< 1622994203 98891 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In retrospect, having a service manager that can restart it isn't *incredibly* useful for a bot that doesn't know how to auto-join any channels.
< 1622994219 250068 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(nothing deserves to be implemented in TCL)
< 1622994234 479014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: hah
< 1622994261 164500 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :have esolangs periodically tell fungot to join #esolangs
< 1622994261 291654 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: must've been some tasteless slashem feature :) about 35 c today... it's warm
< 1622994282 618699 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In a sense it's a fail-safe feature, because it also doesn't know how to persist the ignore list, so this way I can pre-set it before telling it to join.
< 1622994319 250083 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Are you measuring inside your chassis or something? I mean, it *is* warm, but it's not 35°C warm.
< 1622994319 531704 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: " today in practice, i don't remember having been surprised. we can thank anselm for this wonderfully cyclic " proof."
< 1622994339 864506 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course esolangs should also be on that ignore list, hmm
< 1622994355 433916 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :temp1:        +37.0°C   // well, pretty close
< 1622994401 762194 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Actually, how did you get access to those sensors, you're supposed to be running in a KVM thing? 
< 1622994401 948459 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: cookie monster used to scare me as a sort of regex, except limited, something that evaluate lambda calculus in haskell notation.
< 1622994413 609971 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fine, be that way. Uppity bot.
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< 1622994964 481490 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could write a script to my own irssi instance to periodically check if it's missing; if so, whois it to verify it's connected and authenticated; then set that ignore list and tell it to join. But maybe it's just easier to fix those things in the Befunge code.
< 1622995457 465202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`addquote  I could write a script to my own irssi instance to periodically check if it's missing; if so, whois it to verify it's connected and authenticated; then set that ignore list and tell it to join. But maybe it's just easier to fix those things in the Befunge code.
< 1622995460 905271 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1333)  I could write a script to my own irssi instance to periodically check if it's missing; if so, whois it to verify it's connected and authenticated; then set that ignore list and tell it to join. But maybe it's just easier to fix those things in the Befunge code.
< 1622996674 635303 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha
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< 1623010981 590329 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"space" is often used for whitespace, so searching is difficult; are there documented languages whose objects are spaces?
< 1623011055 560602 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Metric spaces, topological spaces, combinatoric spaces, I'm not choosy. (I'm not Chu-sey? Chu spaces would be okay too.)
< 1623011088 915959 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Chu spaces are the best.
< 1623011127 532197 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does "object" mean types or values?
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< 1623013529 868010 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :2D or 3D?
< 1623013536 503148 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :(spaces, that is)
< 1623013607 766305 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :"dimension" is a very vague word.
< 1623013901 640883 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, whose values are spaces. It's pretty common for a language to have types as spaces, like a space of numbers or a space of strings. But I want to manipulate spaces as values.
> 1623015272 497061 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FourQueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84128&oldid=84127 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+12) 10Formatting; switch to Unicode
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< 1623017327 535710 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been looking into topology of esolangs recently. I was trying to make a funge on an n-torus playfield, but have realised befunge and Rasel with jumps (trampoline/bridge) are just as n-torusy as what I had in mind
< 1623017523 552803 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm in the process of writing a tool to graph the control flow of various languages to get an idea of how they can be embedded, to discover what kind of graph can be embedded on an (n>1)-torus  
< 1623017612 793862 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It does BCT, brainfuck, and python (to some extend; it ignores function calls atm). Next step is Befunge / Rasel. I'm especially interested in how rotations differ from reflections in the graph, and how to represent that.
< 1623017780 492516 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relating to the space question, I had thought of making each program symbol a 2d region on a surface rather that a point, which is what they seem to be by default. Rotations in space would then be real rotations in space, not just choosing a labelled edge to move to
< 1623017801 711217 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's all program space topology though, not data space
< 1623018334 258178 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm, I have a WIP 2D rewriting language that has stalled. That might benefit from being thought of as "space rewriting" rather than graph (or net) rewriting
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< 1623025119 334734 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. I wasn't *actually* planning to disconnect that other client yet, but I guess it made the decision for me. Tried to connect to it from this local system, but the client here went "SSL handshake failed: dh key too small" and apparently the bouncer process just died.
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> 1623030231 840753 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FourQueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84133&oldid=84128 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+15) 10/* Programs */ Changed section to Syntax and reworded
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> 1623033374 237509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FourQueue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84134&oldid=84133 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+0) 10Wording
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> 1623041787 613621 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Complack14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84135 5* 03TheCoderPro 5* (+176) 10Created page with "i personally think you should have an instruction to swap the elements of the current stack with another stack ~~~"
< 1623041971 954517 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/brightly-salty/mlatu A reasonable progression in the series of concatenative languages named after cat words.
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< 1623047062 698853 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm thinking abot adding threads
< 1623047070 391051 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to implement multiple stacks
< 1623047113 794006 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the threaded instruction pointer will sleep on instructions that wait for a value pushed from another stack
< 1623047118 30813 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*another thread
< 1623047211 968971 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :smth like "t" to convert to two threads on the next two cells (not sure yet if you should copy the stack)
< 1623047274 914123 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"0p" to push to higher thread; "1p" to push to lower thread; "g" to wait until smth is pushed in and jump on two next cells based on from which of two thread neighbours the value came from
< 1623047382 763340 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :mayba i and o instead of g and p
< 1623047390 812180 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn typos
< 1623048042 274967 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :here is something threaded https://esolangs.org/wiki/Rui
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> 1623052836 918544 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Curlyfrick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84137&oldid=84136 5* 03TheCoderPro 5* (+10) 10made a bit clearer
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> 1623057486 994432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03D-Lord 5*  10New user account
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> 1623063522 494791 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:D-Lord14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84139 5* 03D-Lord 5* (+322) 10Created page with "Hey ho.  And welcome to this strange corner of the interwebs. I'm D-Lord or Denis and like most other users in here interested in many different things including esolangs.  Th..."
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> 1623070167 697839 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ProtoBit 5*  10New user account
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> 1623076138 392670 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:OLNMLN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84142 5* 03Grs 5* (+1021) 10Created page with "== Welcome == Welcome to the talk section of OLNMLN! ===== Please read: ===== * Please don't remove anything, except if it's yours! * Don't swear or use bad words! * Don't hur..."
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< 1623083282 192408 :Guest60!~Guest60@cpe-107-15-204-43.nc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi, I recently finished writing a language I want to make a page for but have tried and failed to make an account at least a dozen times now. Can anyone help me out?
< 1623083291 356165 :Guest60!~Guest60@cpe-107-15-204-43.nc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is the language https://github.com/KyleM73/AHHH
< 1623083311 646411 :Guest60!~Guest60@cpe-107-15-204-43.nc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks in advance!! :)
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< 1623083777 905417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest60: what's your problem with the account?
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> 1623084814 932111 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FolderCode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84150 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+4047) 10Created page with "FolderCode is an esoteric programming language created by Dominicentek. It's main gimmick is that it's written as a folder structure with names being commands. FolderCode comp..."
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> 1623085566 488085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84157&oldid=84126 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-11) 10/* F */
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< 1623085618 360939 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm.
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< 1623085652 472451 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what could be the problem with registration -- as recently as earlier today "ProtoBit" seemed to be able to register.
< 1623085787 264533 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's that Befunge captcha, of course. But it uses a relatively limited subset, I imagine any online Befunge interpreter would correctly execute it.
< 1623085940 193117 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, as long as it has sufficiently large stack cells, anyway. Possibly there's a toy one somewhere that uses three-digit decimal numbers or whatnot.
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< 1623086850 458127 :Guest6018!~Guest60@cpe-107-15-204-43.nc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi, is anyone able to help me make an account? I was guest60 before but I got disconnected
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< 1623087234 825674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ^
< 1623087383 995239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( this isn't going to work )
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> 1623087513 943586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ultlang 5*  10New user account
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> 1623087817 483019 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Delta Salein Ao14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84160 5* 03Ultlang 5* (+177) 10Created page with "Delta Salein Ao, Delta Salein  or  is a programming language created by Ultlang.  [[Category:Languages]][[Category:2021]][[Category:Cell-based]][[Category:Output only]]"
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< 1623088111 339409 :Guest6018!~Guest60@cpe-107-15-204-43.nc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :How can I translate the Befudge code to make an account?
< 1623088166 718776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`befunge does this work?
< 1623088169 578386 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :befunge? No such file or directory
< 1623088177 221773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently not
< 1623088201 260299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest6018: any befunge interpreter should work
< 1623088229 960433 :Guest6018!~Guest60@cpe-107-15-204-43.nc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :to make an account it says:
< 1623088231 398056 :Guest6018!~Guest60@cpe-107-15-204-43.nc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :To protect the wiki against automated account creation, we kindly ask you to answer the question that appears below (more info):
< 1623088231 906306 :Guest6018!~Guest60@cpe-107-15-204-43.nc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which number does this Befunge code output: 9646332815>\#+:#*9-#\_$.@
< 1623088238 178551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge 9646332815>\#+:#*9-#\_$.@
< 1623088239 453259 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :224408598
< 1623088242 525454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :whee!
< 1623088244 477941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest6018: ^
< 1623088258 607356 :Guest6018!~Guest60@cpe-107-15-204-43.nc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh! that's handy!
> 1623088263 663438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kylem73 5*  10New user account
< 1623088270 755255 :Guest6018!~Guest60@cpe-107-15-204-43.nc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank you!!
< 1623088271 196136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :great
< 1623088358 762244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( now for the second step )
< 1623088360 285439 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I didn't even think of them bots.
< 1623088431 557933 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But there's a number of online Befunge interpreters. We link to at least one from the Befunge article.
< 1623088455 296229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :does the captcha link to the Befunge article?
< 1623088496 700861 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although for some unfathomable reason all of them do this weird two-step procedure where, after you've input the program, you need to first click on an unintuitively labeled button ("Show", or "Init", or "To interpreter mode"; three real examples) before you can actually click on the intuitively labeled one ("Run") to execute it.
> 1623088507 918000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84162&oldid=84159 5* 03Kylem73 5* (+160) 10
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< 1623088536 163768 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to make the captcha link to the Befunge article but MediaWiki does not allow HTML embedded in the captcha question.
< 1623088559 542825 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's also why the code is typeset in a proportional font, which is pretty sacrilegious.
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< 1623088608 670220 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is a link from the captcha page to [[Special:Captcha/help]] that could be edited to contain a link to the Befunge article, but I wonder if anyone would actually successfully navigate through all that.
< 1623088609 790979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ic
< 1623089831 659116 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe
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> 1623092339 777298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AHHH14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84168&oldid=84167 5* 03Kylem73 5* (+11) 10cell based
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> 1623096729 334649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Delta Salein Ao14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84172&oldid=84161 5* 03Ultlang 5* (+412) 10
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> 1623097956 728178 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Whitespace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84173&oldid=84066 5* 03Andrewarchi 5* (-8) 10Update the Whitespace Corpus to the current URL
< 1623098295 294863 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh PART :#esolangs
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> 1623100594 605160 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84175&oldid=84174 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+191) 10Computational class
> 1623101478 985392 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forwards14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84176 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+6488) 10created page
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> 1623101643 414540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Movesum14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84177 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+310) 10Created talk page
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> 1623102120 566188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Andrew Phillips14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84179 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+192) 10Created page with "'''Andrew Phillips''' is a programmer and esolang author. He has created the languages [[DeBruijn]] and [[Forwards]]. He contributes on this wiki as [[User:S1(210)]]. ..."
> 1623102173 974771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DeBruijn14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84180&oldid=83645 5* 03S1(210) 5* (-3) 10change user page link to author page link
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> 1623102364 463269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forwards14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84182&oldid=84178 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+7) 10
> 1623102404 633534 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forwards14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84183&oldid=84182 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+13) 10/* The let Clause */
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> 1623108829 20496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84187&oldid=84164 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Commands */ Fmt table
> 1623108932 428458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Movesum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84188&oldid=75830 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10/* Syntax and Semantics */ Fix example (thanks to Caenbe)
> 1623109130 739418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Movesum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84189&oldid=84177 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+326) 10Reply
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< 1623110003 372248 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found that Amiga has sound modulation. Why the MOD format does not include this command (perhaps the 8xx command)?
> 1623110979 907628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0705ab1e14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84190 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+20) 10Just a redirect.
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> 1623117572 460132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84202&oldid=84186 5* 03MartinAsdf 5* (+15) 10added stackomp
> 1623117801 537449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blues machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84203&oldid=84192 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+43) 10The author wrote the interpreter, so I assume this was intended.
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< 1623157857 760079 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`?
< 1623157860 871735 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1623157861 246816 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`help
< 1623157861 403704 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch [] " downloads files. Files saved to $HACKENV are persistent, and $HACKENV/bin is in $PATH. $HACKENV is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/ to browse. $PWD ($HACKENV/tmp) is persistent but unversioned, /tmp is ephemeral.
< 1623158014 875968 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat cat
< 1623158015 899421 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: cat: No such file or directory
< 1623158029 408654 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`which cat
< 1623158030 280771 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/bin/cat
< 1623158036 34469 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat /bin/cat
< 1623158036 899576 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​ELF............>...../......@.................@.8..@.........@.......@.......@.......h......h..................................................................................................................... ....... ....... ......A......A.....................p.......p.......p................................P......P......P......................................................................
< 1623158050 63536 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what was the command to see cources of other commands?
< 1623158104 317617 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? cat
< 1623158106 221432 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cats are cool, but should be illegal.
< 1623158313 49321 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: for commands that are implemented as shell scripts or similar, yes, you can use cat or cbt or /bin/cat
< 1623158331 341632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: the user-defined commands are in /hackenv/bin
< 1623158343 716871 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: there's also a whatis command
< 1623158347 20322 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`whatis ?
< 1623158348 158912 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​?(1hackeso) - print wisdom by name \ ?(8lambdabot) - compose tree of lambdabot commands
< 1623158355 151034 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`whatis w
< 1623158356 250067 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :w(1) - Show who is logged on and what they are doing. \ w(1hackeso) - print random wisdom matching a string
< 1623158361 523456 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` w;q
< 1623158362 934391 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​myth//A myth is a female moth. \ 1295)  (there's also that thing with the small yellow guys that I refuse to aknowledge, and nobody has any proof I went to the theatre to watch it.)
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< 1623158957 282858 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :cbt !
< 1623158959 991165 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cbt !
< 1623158960 994373 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/bin/bash \ CMD=`echo -n "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG="$(echo -n "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-)" \ exec $HACKENV/ibin/$CMD "$ARG$2"
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< 1623158995 540763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cbt cbt
< 1623158996 620088 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat $HACKENV/bin/"$1"
< 1623159198 568489 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? cruella
< 1623159200 455194 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cruella? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
> 1623160233 854399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84212&oldid=84075 5* 03Batata 5* (+7913) 10
> 1623160401 387650 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FolderCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84213&oldid=84171 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+117) 10/* Compiler, Runtime and Interpreter */
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< 1623160802 372046 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN #esolangs tiggilyboo :simon
> 1623160894 792446 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Numeric Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84214&oldid=43262 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+190) 10Cats and short blurb about the computational class
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< 1623161614 883709 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does any Pokemon game have a nethack-like extinction mechanism where if you kill a lot of a certain species of pokemon then it will no longer get generated as random encounter wild pokemon?
< 1623161624 880874 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if so, what is the earliest generation that has such a mechanic?
< 1623161632 487559 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not to my knowlege
< 1623161639 380431 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks
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> 1623168202 226450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Luduk 5*  10New user account
< 1623168380 82688 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-223-130.dab.02.net JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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> 1623169144 358525 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84216&oldid=84187 5* 03Grs 5* (+352) 10
> 1623169189 221708 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84217&oldid=84216 5* 03Grs 5* (-48) 10
> 1623169370 200801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84218&oldid=84202 5* 03Kylem73 5* (+11) 10added AHHH
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> 1623169471 96280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84219&oldid=84217 5* 03Grs 5* (+91) 10
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< 1623170966 770823 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :user/shikhin
> 1623171504 621466 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84222&oldid=84221 5* 03Grs 5* (-132) 10
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> 1623172139 919102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84223&oldid=84212 5* 03Grs 5* (+198) 10/* Implementations */ OLNMLN
> 1623172328 839830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84224&oldid=84215 5* 03Sawcce 5* (+251) 10/* Introductions */
> 1623172815 900930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ResU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84225&oldid=83978 5* 03ResU 5* (+79) 10
> 1623173663 968289 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84226&oldid=83971 5* 03ResU 5* (+55) 10added .print
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> 1623174276 203521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Another Pi Language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84227&oldid=18566 5* 03ResU 5* (+94) 10
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> 1623175493 206117 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Twitty14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84229 5* 03Luduk 5* (+870) 10twitty, the unreliable
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> 1623181772 857370 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nu14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84235 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+2990) 10Created Nu
> 1623181846 541355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84236&oldid=84218 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+9) 10/* N */ Added Nu
> 1623181894 506785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Caenbe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84237&oldid=84206 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+50) 10
< 1623182060 87473 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :[https://kiwiirc.com] salpynx
< 1623182138 992495 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2021/06/1920-2020-and-a-20000-prize-announcing-the-s-combinator-challenge/
< 1623182430 139017 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That is an interesting link.
< 1623182783 879188 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: that will either devolve in nobody caring, or another weird game of defining what it means like with the cellular automaton. 
< 1623182797 234723 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/means/means,/
< 1623182879 771426 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: if it's towards the latter then it may well be done by the people here
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< 1623183266 801807 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm now thinking through whether BCT can be done with S, and knowing the specific obstacle is for not being able to would be interesting to know
> 1623183876 851397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84238&oldid=84235 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+10) 10/* Graph rewriting */
< 1623183889 314587 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Disproving it would be interesting too, esp. for $20K
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< 1623184654 179637 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure how to prove it in a way Wolfram would accept, but in general to be Turing-complete means to have a Turing category, which means to be Cartesian closed, which means that K needs to exist in order to delete/forget unused values and have constant functions.
< 1623184735 833730 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if there's a beautiful Smullyan proof somewhere that S can't build K. I can imagine a Hofstadter-style informal proof which shows that S can't ever tear down structures like K can.
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< 1623185252 858577 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the S version of K presumably would shuffle arguments away to a 'discard zone', out of the way and effectively dropped. Is there any possible space for an infinite use discard pile with S?
< 1623185548 382567 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm, maybe this suggests that S can't implement I alone. That would be pretty damning.
< 1623185645 212033 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: hmm, let me check the bird book. I know it at least states that it can't implement K, but I don't know if there's a proof given
> 1623185722 430880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84239&oldid=84209 5* 03OfficialCraftCGame 5* (-20) 10Edited segments of the wiki.
< 1623185728 449069 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :chapter 12 is the relevant one
< 1623185757 61711 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river NICK :riv
< 1623185814 420562 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then chapter 18\
< 1623185862 786554 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, chapter 19
< 1623185961 1892 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think it give a full proof for this
< 1623186213 321254 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries, thanks for looking.
< 1623186742 527902 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you might be able to find a proof somewhere else, or reconstruct it from as much as Smullyan reveals there
< 1623186953 967892 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: do you need a summary of what he does say there that implies this?
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< 1623201075 589885 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh wow, glorious work. I pulled out my copy of the bird book, and indeed, kestrels are not allowed in Bravura's forest!
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< 1623201650 798102 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, yeah. Smullyan points out that S is "duplicative", using arguments multiple times. The linear calculus, BCI, can't build S.
< 1623201662 16202 :ski!~ski@ed-3358-10.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION first thought the bird book was Bird & de Moor
< 1623201683 978313 :ski!~ski@ed-3358-10.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, and `S' can't build `K'
< 1623201689 391106 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Similarly, S can't build K, because K is "cancellative" and completely forgets an argument.
< 1623201725 242113 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found https://doi.org/10.1016/B978-0-444-87508-2.50017-4 which is paywalled but suggests that this is so well-known that they try to use BCSI to *approximate* K-like behavior while admitting that K itself is not buildable.
< 1623201857 856645 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ski: Oh, sorry. The context is that Wolfram offered a cash prize for anybody who can show that S is (Turing-?) complete. But I was sure that the bird book had a disproof, and b_jonas did the hard work of looking it up.
< 1623201888 738539 :ski!~ski@ed-3358-10.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esolangs :mm, yea. (just finished reading that article)
< 1623201905 336961 :ski!~ski@ed-3358-10.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the Wolfram blag)
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< 1623204259 145307 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wolfram already says any TCness has to be encoded in the non-terminating S combinator evolutions, so a direct K build is already ruled out
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< 1623204645 314858 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even Ix will need to be a non terminating encoding of x, so Kxy = Ix  in some non terminating way which can be decoded by something that is not universal itself
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< 1623204786 765374 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :relevant quote from the announcement > And by “emulate”, what we mean here is that a suitable “encoder”, “detector” and “decoder” can be found that will allow any evolution in the system being emulated to be mapped to a corresponding evolution in the S combinator system.
< 1623204876 52424 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: Can you explain more what you see? I would naively and reductively assume that the I combinator simply isn't represented here; there's no way to emulate its (lack of) evolution.
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< 1623205167 463754 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not directly representable, but I guess that's the question: can it 'emulate' K's "cutting things down" via some kind of encoding? It'd have to include 'junk' data, which would have to be ignored by the decoder in the final step to get the result
< 1623205207 229288 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :more of Wolfram's writing linked to from somewhere in the announcement: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2020/12/combinators-a-centennial-view/#the-world-of-the-s-combinator
< 1623205455 162049 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Naively I wondered if you could use both sides of every K in every computation, then pick the 'real' one at the end. That'd be super inefficient with the combinatorics, and I don't know how you'd pick the correct version at the end. and it's probably more complicated than 'doing things twice' with K arguments 
< 1623205733 882727 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess my take is that a working emulated K in this hypothetical system must accumulate 'junk' which can be 'easily' discerned from the result of computation by the hypothetical decoder. Examining whether that kind of mechanism is possible or not is an avenue of attack.
< 1623205807 437157 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :My gut feel is any 'junk' would get smeared out through the whole combinatoric expression over time, and separating it won't be possible without doing an equivalent computation
< 1623206042 6092 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also that Wolfram is talking about some meta computation requiring those “encoder”, “detector” and “decoder” external parts to the system, and that's possibly, as was said above by @b_jonas: "another weird game of defining what it means"
< 1623206218 652613 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can imagine a giant stream of combinator S's which take a single K as an argument, and duplicates and places the Ks where they need to go for reproducing any algorithm. No idea if that's helpful, but it's playing with separating parts of the system
< 1623206251 968955 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although we know something about their shape, at least. The bounded-time description should lead (by a handwave) to the encoder and decoder being katamorphisms.
< 1623206373 280264 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But note that the encoder can be as simple as the identity function, if we're targeting SKI, so the question is whether there's some composition of S alone which yields K and I. IOW I think we get back up to what's been covered.
< 1623206536 229914 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh wow, https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/227904/solve-the-halting-problem-for-s-combinatory-logic implies that it's not Turing-complete. Reading the paper right now, but this could be it.
< 1623206863 817287 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's a good find. 
< 1623206933 340217 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think Wolfram know that though, and that's what I was picking up from his writing. To paraphrase what I think he's asking: Taking the infinite set of identifiable non-halting S Combinator expressions, is there some encoding which can give rise to an unresolvable halting problem in their evolutions? 
< 1623206996 39935 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if there are not infinite non-halting evolutions, then it's really busted)
< 1623207068 115211 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let the codec be a genuine equivalence computable in poly time. Then wouldn't the codec's existence contradict Rice's Theorem?
< 1623207075 271749 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re-reading my paraphrase, that does sound sketchy, but I think that's what Wolfram is really asking.
< 1623207098 892787 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't want to unfairly strawman Wolfram's question, but I'm really not sure if there's more to it than that.
< 1623207236 297860 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meh, "genuine equivalence" is vague and wrong. This isn't yet airtight, but it's suggestive.
< 1623207532 605721 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :wolfram's prize got its way to here, eh.
< 1623207570 100401 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :for S to be TC on its own it would have to re-order the expression so that past work doesn't get in the way of current work. because it can't, it's not TC. more rigorous proofs of that exist.
< 1623208272 68142 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Makes sense. It sounds like there's three different ways to slice that S isn't TC: S can't even implement K or I, Halting for S is decideable, and now imode's point about divergence and order of operations.
< 1623208422 442440 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's probably equivalent to a pushdown.
< 1623208428 975834 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unrelated: https://github.com/TartanLlama/vizh Nice!
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> 1623237848 186439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tower14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84275 5* 03Sawcce 5* (+2933) 10Created page with "= Tower =  Tower is an esoteric language meaning it is designed to be fun to use or a headache to program in!  This page is a copy of the walkthrough of the Tower also present..."
> 1623237903 126172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tower14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84276&oldid=84275 5* 03Sawcce 5* (-2) 10/* Tower */
> 1623237951 113130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tower14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84277&oldid=84276 5* 03Sawcce 5* (+42) 10/* Tower */
> 1623238245 835295 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tower14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84278&oldid=84277 5* 03Sawcce 5* (+726) 10/* Commands */
> 1623239616 969194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84279&oldid=84256 5* 03ResU 5* (+138) 10
> 1623240027 846854 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Omgrofl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84280&oldid=58626 5* 03DeeBo 5* (+73) 10/* External resources */
< 1623240682 396755 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Quit: We're here. We're queer. Connection reset by peer
< 1623240708 133310 :V!~v@anomalous.eu JOIN #esolangs V :Wie?
> 1623241204 799172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84281&oldid=84279 5* 03ResU 5* (+164) 10
> 1623241208 34891 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Partitioned14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84282&oldid=84274 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10Cats, stub, WIP
> 1623242014 739741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Meloons 5*  10New user account
> 1623242711 689588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84283&oldid=84270 5* 03Meloons 5* (+200) 10My description
> 1623242820 167581 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84284&oldid=84281 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10Cat
< 1623244864 288323 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1
< 1623245033 944649 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :b_jonas
< 1623245240 348590 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: out of curiosity, is your IRC nick supposed to be from a bird too?
< 1623245347 744657 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if so, is it a combinator bird?
< 1623246001 503800 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat
< 1623246216 847679 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, so the norwegian/danish alphabet is supposed to have the last letters in the order "z æ ø å", but the swedish/finnish alphabet in the incompatible order "z å ä ö"? that decides my earlier question about encoding IRC nicks, the norwegian one is more natural because then the iso-646 encoding order matches the alphabet. but the different alphabetic order is still weird, I wonder how that got 
< 1623246222 833026 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :invented.
< 1623246268 51280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should have noticed this earlier because I've seen the swedish alphabetic order enough times and did look up the iso-646 encodings and should have noticed that it's in the wrong order
< 1623246646 45626 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Russian alphabet ends with letters that are like a trash hidden in the corner of the room ШЩЪЫЬ and then suddenly perfectly normal vowels ЭЮЯ
< 1623247146 764292 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: 1. "Ю" is supposed to be a "normal vowel" but it's also one of the rarest letters, though admittedly "Ъ" is even rarer. I don't understand in what sense "Ш" is trash though. 2. the latin alphabet has trash letters too, in fact even the greek one has some at the end, and holes in the middle for the purpose of gemmatria, to preserve the original phoenician order. the hebrew alphabet is the 
< 1623247152 741956 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :only extant one that does not have trash at the end.
< 1623247402 321131 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I don't understand in what sense "Ш" is trash" -- the word traSH is literally ends with Ш; you can see that the "trash consonants ending" actually starts with Ф consonant: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C
< 1623247409 171507 :b_jonas_!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas
< 1623247444 378572 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ъ and Ь aren't even either vowel or consonants -- they have no sound and words can start with them
< 1623247498 152711 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*can't
< 1623247533 291859 :b_jonas_!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: sure
< 1623247606 690929 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Mal Sproule
< 1623247617 13096 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also you can see the Ж being the most rate in the "non-trash half of the alphabet" -- together with Ш they have a rule "can't place Ы after Ж и Ш" (mnemonically known as "ЖИ и ШИ пиши через И")
< 1623247714 310556 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*most rare
< 1623247834 173458 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1623247834 594720 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1623247849 449421 :Effilry!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly JOIN #esolangs FireFly :firefly
< 1623247852 584550 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :such rules feel like a waste of entropy -- similar in English only U can go after Q and it's so weird that we didn't even learn it as a rule and I only realised it when I was like 20
< 1623247891 465592 :Effilry!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly NICK :FireFly
< 1623247906 687345 :b_jonas_!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: were you 20 before or after Iraq was featured in the news a lot?
< 1623247913 267996 :b_jonas_!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu NICK :b_jonas
< 1623247913 609398 :Oshawott!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth
< 1623247927 761123 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also Ж and Щ are the most wide letters in any font
< 1623247979 231668 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :rodgort
< 1623248022 953301 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :after
< 1623248051 707921 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/phistomefel-s-theorem-t38410.html
< 1623248096 88484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
< 1623248187 535910 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: yeah, I started to make a 6 pixel tall font, with variable width, where most characters are at most 3 pixels wide plus a 1 pixel gap (the gap is omitted between some pairs of characters), but because some letters are hard to draw that way, I have added a three-way option for whether "MNm" are all wide, or "Mm" are wide but "N" is narrow, or every ascii letter is narrow. these options also 
< 1623248193 542776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :affect the russian letters, and indeed the three pixel wide versions are very ugly and mostly unrecognizable.
< 1623248210 949016 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should eventually finish that tiny font and use it for some esoteric project
< 1623248235 28384 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I won't use it for everyday work, I have a large-sized fixed width font for that that I should improve
< 1623248250 418589 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the basics are fine but I have to add some new characters and redo the hastily done greek letters)
< 1623248259 588480 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :OCR developers might hate Ы letter
< 1623248416 500282 :dionys!dionys@user/dionys JOIN #esolangs dionys :dionys
< 1623248556 285168 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't find English word for  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82
< 1623248602 130636 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ my father was связист in the army -- it's where you send and receive in Morze
< 1623248628 731153 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Signaller?
< 1623248634 778209 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Radio operator?
< 1623248656 514654 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so for speed considerations they were told to use Ижица (V) symbol for Ж because Ж was too big https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izhitsa
< 1623249013 796838 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb yeah, probably this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signaller "Signallers, a.k.a. Combat Signallers"
< 1623249037 472250 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk what's the exact difference between radio and signalling, радист and связист
< 1623249065 24935 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Perhaps signallers are also trained with lamps or flags or something
< 1623249081 153197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whereas radio operators have some electric engineering training?
< 1623249161 892228 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's weird to use the word "signal" in two so different cases
< 1623249294 313042 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, he was into the https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE (again no link to English wiki ..() that is about fixing and creating electronics yourself
< 1623249362 122131 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically he used only radio technologies, no visual stuff, the military base was underground actually
< 1623249438 161506 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would expect the English article to be named "Hobby electronics"
< 1623249502 936207 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_corps
< 1623249900 657742 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Ha, that's a fun idea! Curiously, it seems that Smullyan didn't use any corvids (blackbirds, magpies, ravens, rooks, crows, bluejays, etc.) for their bird list.
< 1623250950 43678 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should finish learning morse
> 1623251144 186314 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PaRappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84285&oldid=83193 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+0) 10
> 1623251187 312655 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PaRappa14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84286&oldid=84285 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+2) 10
< 1623251235 780703 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in amateur radio it is common to use the letter N in place of the numeral 9, for speed (-. versus ----.)
< 1623251335 233263 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so for example a perfect signal report will be given as 5NN [..... -. -.] instead of 599 [..... ----. ----.] for a time savings of more than 50%
< 1623251461 21208 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the US it is possible to select your callsign (subject to restrictions) and operators who do a lot of CW (morse) will try to get one with a low "weight"
< 1623251510 685254 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah, didn't know that
< 1623251588 290124 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine IRC transmitted in morze
< 1623251621 248545 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? morse
< 1623251623 930850 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​-- ..- .-. ... ..- / --- -. / ... ..- ..- .-. .. -.- --- -.- --- .. -. . -. / ...- . ... .. . .-.. .-.- -- .-.- .-.- -. / ... --- .--. . ..- - ..- -. ..- - / .- .-. -.- - .. -. . -. / -. .. ... .-.- -.- .-.- ... .-.. .- .--- ..
< 1623251632 707699 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wat
< 1623251646 740324 :craigo_!~craigo@180-150-37-63.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1623251647 46258 :craigo_!~craigo@180-150-37-63.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname
< 1623251652 533184 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`morse morse
< 1623251653 407637 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :morse? No such file or directory
< 1623251822 733178 :perlbot_!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in
< 1623251876 90908 :slavfox_!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox
< 1623251889 233510 :craigo__!~craigo@180-150-37-63.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname
< 1623251995 180933 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord
< 1623252128 67022 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode
< 1623252197 81193 :keegan_!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com JOIN #esolangs * :beehive
< 1623252205 103694 :rodgort`!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :rodgort
> 1623252260 65221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:PaRappa14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84287 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+150) 10Created talk page
< 1623252298 106038 :craigo_!~craigo@180-150-37-63.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1623252301 372751 :perlbot_!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot NICK :perlbot
< 1623252459 573440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't figure out what animal the URSU is
< 1623252549 172250 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN #esolangs Cale :realname
< 1623252653 45657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen
< 1623252811 730470 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Surely it's MURSU, not URSU.
< 1623252827 303323 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And that's a walrus.)
< 1623252878 222278 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that's from the lead paragraph of https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mursu
> 1623252911 255837 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84288&oldid=84143 5* 03Grs 5* (-995) 10Replaced content with "Do you have any ideas to add something? -~~~ ~~~~~"
> 1623252933 670568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84289&oldid=84288 5* 03Grs 5* (-107) 10Blanked the page
< 1623253193 967306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: just looking through the logs and noticed that the new "has changed hostmask" showed someone's pre-cloaking host, which may be a bit unfortunate (although i think that means they're not following the advice of using sasl?)
< 1623253296 238544 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cbt morse
< 1623253297 153574 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: /hackenv/bin/morse: No such file or directory
< 1623253303 114893 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`which morse
< 1623253304 24210 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output.
< 1623253309 825401 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: URSU is probably a bear; I don't know about MURSU
< 1623253310 824657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :shikhin: that was you by the way, you should use sasl
< 1623253315 24502 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah wait, it's ?
< 1623253329 74134 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's some wrong char in that string
< 1623253334 457314 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :leading non printable char
< 1623253349 770528 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it makes all online decaders fail to decode it
< 1623253355 265481 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :see https://xkcd.com/2381/
< 1623253356 811794 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*decoders
< 1623253389 405013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Smullyan didn't use any corvids" wait really? I thoguht he did... let me look up the English list
< 1623253411 178651 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes he did
< 1623253423 385394 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic says "Blackbird" 
< 1623253487 700999 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ruby -e "p '18:13:43  ​-- ..- .-.'.dump"
< 1623253489 44200 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​"\"18:13:43  \\u200B-- ..- .-.\""
< 1623253501 860587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: it's the invisible space which HackEso prepends if the output starts with non-alphanumerics
< 1623253510 953805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's to avoid triggering other bots
< 1623253521 162006 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :..\
> 1623253612 42373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Caenbe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84290&oldid=84237 5* 03Caenbe 5* (-173) 10
< 1623253673 949127 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh, nice, a bluebird of bluebirds. I guess I'm just a fancier sort of composition.
< 1623253681 268832 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I still think this sasl thing is sort of a scam. I like SASL, but advertising it because some people's clients are broken and will join channels without waiting for nickserv identify to succeed is silly. waiting for nickserv to reply that you're identified, or waiting for the server to tell you your hostmask has changed if you do it for a cloak, isn't actually easier than doing the SASL stuff
< 1623253690 299189 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/easier/harder/
< 1623253716 922482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: automatically?
< 1623253750 648764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think you may be biased by being a person who finds programming trivial hth
< 1623253769 200595 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the same sort of argument that leads to telling others that you shouldn't send notices because other people's clients are broken and render them wrong, or shouldn't send color codes because they annoy other people becuase their client shows them in ugly colors or whatever. 
< 1623253795 981804 :shikhin!~shikhin@user/shikhin PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Yeah, whoops, too lazy to set it up just yet, but thanks.
< 1623253802 105600 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I won't call ability to join channels without identifying "being broken"
< 1623253844 816552 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's some flaw in the cloacking concept
< 1623253887 657167 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: someone has to put the SASL thing in the irc clients too, just as much as the rest. you can say that it's worth because it works the same on multiple networks, so it's easier to implement because of that. in particular, nickserv id works backwards between libera/freenode and oftc. that would be a good argument, except for that if you try SASL on a server that doesn't understand SASL, you'll get 
< 1623253893 663594 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a hang. but that's not the argument they're making.
< 1623253915 583633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1623253918 58288 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if your IRC client doesn't know SASL, and you don't know programming, it's just as hard to teach it SASL
< 1623253987 480121 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just don't disconnect from the server *shrug*
< 1623253997 865728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :you're right, i was comparing apples and oranges
< 1623254030 671689 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you "know programming" you can set up a BNC and probably can find a machine with reliable network connection
< 1623254039 326385 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they could also make the argument that someone could guess when they'll reconnect after a disconnect, and WHO their hostmask before they rejoin the channel
< 1623254064 305788 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not against SASL, only against the stupid arguments that some IRC folks make about it
< 1623254090 322750 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and yes, freenode also requires SASL for some remote addresses as a way to control spam)
< 1623254228 777130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :so ideally WHO shouldn't be possible until the SASL has gone through either...
< 1623254244 80615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :no idea whether the servers enforce that
< 1623254324 309478 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: yes, WHO isn't possible before SASL because your connection doesn't have a nick that WHO could target, nor a channel it's joined to
< 1623254342 620307 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :SASL is before you choose a NICK
< 1623254417 407983 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there any standard on "Tags" in the unicode table? like if I ask for "looks like a dot" and it would come up with . and · and •
< 1623254629 796647 :keegan_!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :08:53 < nakilon> just don't disconnect from the server *shrug*
< 1623254635 781096 :keegan_!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in soviet russia, server disconnects from YOU!
< 1623254646 587317 :keegan_!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :(been a lot of that this morning...)
< 1623254715 311822 :keegan_!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :are the sore losers at freenode packeting libera?
< 1623254727 219332 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this matches too many chars that are not dots https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=[:name=/\bDOT$/:]
< 1623254746 246907 :keegan_!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :or is it just growing pains
< 1623254780 140841 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1623255319 393910 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this utility gives different sets of analogues for two different dots
< 1623255327 51110 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/confusables.jsp?a=.&r=None
< 1623255329 586692 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/confusables.jsp?a=%C2%B7&r=None
< 1623255432 181424 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv
< 1623255483 248372 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there should be some Unicode similarity graph, probably made manually
< 1623255633 87132 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan_: no, it's spammers who spam both freenode and libera
< 1623255647 909801 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they target both, or whichever networks/servers are the most popular
< 1623255689 951394 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the sad part is when the spammers spam on freenode, then people go complain in #libera , even though the libera ops can't do anything to stop spam on freenode
< 1623255697 674387 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so please don't do that
< 1623255765 172538 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38
< 1623255868 279971 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Yeah, I guess I could remove the old one from the rendered view, or just omit the event entirely; it's not a super-interesting one.
< 1623255897 495855 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The previous QUIT-and-JOIN combo contained the same information, I just wasn't rendering the hostname in QUITs (or JOINs).
< 1623255955 114713 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/confusables.jsp tool can't find the char that looks like 'ф' that I saw somewhere just few minutes ago 
< 1623255972 900882 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :while the https://shapecatcher.com/ found it immediately https://i.imgur.com/STqB0fG.png
< 1623256095 911355 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Something I've always found slightly odd about CertFP auth is that the client needs to explicitly invoke SASL EXTERNAL to make the identification happen pre-login, even though it's not like there's any fundamental theoretical reason the server couldn't just... make it happen.
< 1623256326 29142 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: which one? ϕ (greek alternate) or a math or APL symbol?
< 1623256403 823719 :jryans!~jryansmat@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs * :@jryans:matrix.org
< 1623256405 367395 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in that test search case I was looking exactly for the one that shapecatcher.com recognized
< 1623256538 151642 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: or ɸ the phonetic symbol?
< 1623256689 300338 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"latin small letter qp digraph"
< 1623256714 173049 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I expected the tool at unicode.org to give me it if I ask it for ф or Ф
< 1623256727 935888 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because they are what I'm able to type
< 1623256742 827703 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: it does if you ask for ϕ
< 1623256753 942195 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1623256821 379215 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't have a way to type it
< 1623256891 147068 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :opt+ф types 'd', opt+a types 'å'
> 1623256980 407358 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84291&oldid=82999 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+38) 10Cat
< 1623257020 933897 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :those shapecatcher guys could make an excellent similarity graph
< 1623257188 874346 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie
< 1623257602 910952 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
> 1623257994 449194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84292&oldid=84267 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+1) 10/* Binary Nu */
< 1623258046 989302 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" but I don't have a way to type it" => 
< 1623258048 42460 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? font
< 1623258050 987391 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/
< 1623258054 991132 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :copy it from http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
< 1623258063 962316 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :from the greek block
> 1623259070 457897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Talk:OLNMLN10]]": Author request: blanked by only commenter
< 1623260154 829733 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would not know it's in greek block if you didn't tell me
< 1623260462 471666 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a fricking greek letter phi
< 1623260467 556813 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how would it not be in the greek block?
< 1623260476 460926 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, it's an unnecessary second character for the same letter that already has one
< 1623260479 908676 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but still
< 1623260496 325265 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a tradition there of it appearing twice in some character sets, an old enough tradition, so it has to be represented twice in unicode
< 1623260513 152006 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and since that's an old enough tradition it was in the earliest versions of unicode in the 90s so it's in the greek block
< 1623260568 945606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't even say it's wasting space, unlike some of the stuff that they put to the first (1<<12) code points, and yes, I was told that they hadn't invented utf-8 yet so they didn't know the first (1<<12) code points were special
< 1623260581 515845 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN #esolangs tiggilyboo :simon
< 1623260603 399633 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't imagine greek phi with that link pointing up, only down
< 1623260612 311653 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for me it's a letter ф
< 1623260625 208785 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*line
< 1623260742 366083 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: to me it seems like the one with the straight line is a printed/carved form and the one with the loop is the handwritten form, sort of like the italic vs roman forms of many of the latin/cyrillic letters, which is why it's odd that it's double-encoded, but the greek script doesn't do that for many letters, so phi and theta got singled out
< 1623260818 160176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's probably Knuth who popularized having both in the same font in the same book
< 1623260839 898607 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Client Quit
< 1623260922 727752 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also you write ф and phi differently -- in Russian it's like 8, you go up when switching from left half to right one, now like in phi where you just move right
< 1623260954 775592 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or perhaps it was Adobe, since one of their standard postscript fonts has both
< 1623260957 958278 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure
> 1623260993 797710 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Among Us14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84293&oldid=82352 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+98) 10
< 1623261010 357422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: oh, you're saying that it's not actually similar to the russian phi so if you're searching for characters that look similar in appearance to the russian phi you wouldn't think to look in the greek block?
< 1623261054 763912 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes more sense
< 1623261079 134245 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1623261126 890470 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw
< 1623261154 283378 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that unicode.org tool does not give "qp digraph" for phi too
< 1623261160 131621 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just checked
< 1623261174 146237 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what qp digraph? 
< 1623261198 275002 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/STqB0fG.png
< 1623261218 358302 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the second time I have a feeling you missed this link)
< 1623261279 923813 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I've ever seen that
< 1623261293 600837 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes sense
< 1623261294 477263 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Additions for Africanist linguistics
< 1623261300 875758 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah
< 1623261304 847272 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" the unicode PDF says
< 1623261314 714290 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but somehow I saw it just two hours ago
< 1623261317 239875 :keegan_!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com NICK :keegan
< 1623261327 998751 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then to test the unicode.org tool I tried to find it
< 1623261336 92361 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are a lot of such supposedly roman letters that are only used as either phonetic symbols or trying to make a transcription for africian languages by linguists
< 1623261340 594559 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :by asking to show me letters similar to ф
< 1623261358 267133 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, they might exists but I ignore most of them unless they also happen to have some more common use
< 1623261390 312067 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :most of the latin extended C block is such rare letters; this one is in latin extended B which has some more normal stuff
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< 1623262084 203054 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I had the similarity graph I would make such tool that... 
< 1623262176 967556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Labial-uvular stops are much rarer, but have been found in three Mangbutu-Efe languages spoken in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Uganda: Mamvu, and Lese."
< 1623262193 858410 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you type "dot" and it finds all these chars https://unicodelookup.com/#dot/1 then finds the one with the smallest distance sum to all the rest and lists all them sorted by distance to that one
< 1623262217 113829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess that's what those africanists are studying
< 1623262239 32040 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :...printing all these chars one per line, filling the line by all the chars in unicode that look like them
< 1623262243 92909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :* linguists
< 1623262302 892175 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I mean not similarity graph but similarity matrix)
< 1623262369 650310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm nope, it's apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_labiodental_plosive
< 1623262390 435482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :_much_ less exotic
< 1623262511 391943 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea what the "labiodental" mean but Afrika is Африка
> 1623262542 579085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RGB4D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84294&oldid=84271 5* 03ProtoBit 5* (+763) 10Added truth machine program and some minor formatting improvements
< 1623262569 541668 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN #esolangs tiggilyboo :simon
< 1623262570 391742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: f actually is labiodental
< 1623262586 833508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although this symbol represents a stop, not a fricative
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< 1623262610 629019 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Αφρική
< 1623262618 82554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it means it's made with lips touching teeth
< 1623262628 439538 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :did anyone like my sudoku link?
< 1623262633 386020 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :bottom lip upper teech? I see
> 1623262640 567061 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84295&oldid=84273 5* 03ProtoBit 5* (+12) 10Added RGB4D to the language list
< 1623262652 19053 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv I did
< 1623262657 3723 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ty
< 1623262691 560341 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my father loved solving sudoku
< 1623262723 350210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i used to but i'm out of practice
< 1623262766 916672 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :we were buying those newspapers and other printed things with them but he said they have too many digits already already filled in
< 1623262818 770531 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I've found that one guy in internet was collecting the sudoku boards that had the minimal number of digits shown, IIRC it was 18, and he had an archive of thousands of them
< 1623262873 699646 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I made my father a program that he launches and it makes a PNG file with next puzzle ready to be sent to printer
< 1623262920 132766 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv
< 1623262968 907285 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I felt like he finds it to be less interesting than buying in a kiosk
< 1623263016 68143 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: print them on cheap low quality paper and give yours to the kiosk to sell them back to him?
< 1623263033 33242 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds like a business idea
< 1623263059 144469 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, they can sell extra copies to others
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< 1623267488 802984 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you do when Newton’s method doesn’t make the root more accurate when it appears it could add another decimal digit? The equation is polynomial, even a simple one: x^N − x − 1 = 0. I make numpy give me roots, pick the largest real one and try to make it better
< 1623267554 557975 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there’s at least one case when naive algorithm x ↦ (x + 1) ^ (1/N) makes x^N − x − 1 closer to zero than this approach
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< 1623267591 523476 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :N = 11 if I’m not mistaken
< 1623267635 106916 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, no, N = 11 is fine, two Newton iterations suffice
< 1623267728 13445 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I don’t need to chase bits, I guess I’m fine with 1e−15 errors too
< 1623267802 70534 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :finally some rain and thunder here
< 1623267841 135816 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :velik, good thing you don't have to deal with floating point right?
< 1623267892 460829 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems improbable there was no major rain for two or more weeks. Usually the climate here is more humid in summer, I even despise rains sometimes, when the weather is cyclonic and cold and all that windy unsummery stuff
< 1623268061 678206 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: is the magnitude of the derivative significantly less than 1 at the root? 
< 1623268074 21413 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it should be, otherwise you shouldn't use Newton's method as is
< 1623268109 884613 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or something like that, that's probably not the right criteria, I'm bad at this
< 1623268201 87279 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: gotta analyze, but I think it should be decent
< 1623268397 330112 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the derivative at the root is N − 1 + N x^−1, and as x > 1, that’s always > N − 1; for large N it’s asymptotically 2 N − 1 as x → 1
< 1623268450 465564 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that’s float magic we’re to blame here
< 1623268504 60444 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also maybe the root values are okay and the error is more due to x^N − x − 1. I’ll check with a CAS maybe
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< 1623271966 828789 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: ok, but I'm not sure that's actually the right condition
< 1623271986 163650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you may have to look up what the actual condition for stability is
< 1623272005 108785 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yeah
< 1623272015 749153 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I’m pretty satisfied as it is
< 1623272032 37376 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: by the way, you do know that reinventing the wheel for computing the root of a polynomial equation on the reals is in general a bad idea unless you're really good at numerical analysis, because there are existing good libraries for it, right? you can still do it for practice or learning
< 1623272037 825168 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or for esoteric purposees
< 1623272154 692749 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I know! I actually started with the existing numpy function for that and I still use it
< 1623272198 871610 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but two Newton iterations on top of it make things even better though, for better or for worse (actually, just a single one is necessary for large N)
< 1623272201 504486 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :very good
< 1623272224 796119 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it’s a headache to write your own numeric code in large quantities!
< 1623272764 640771 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did make Newton fractal before, which is based on Newton's method
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> 1623274095 789450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Jetison33314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84299 5* 03Jetison333 5* (+82) 10Created page with "So far I've made one esolange, [[A returns a|a{a}]], but I hope to make more soon."
> 1623274190 853326 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A returns a14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84300&oldid=84297 5* 03Jetison333 5* (+1) 10
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< 1623277825 679667 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://ai.facebook.com/blog/nethack-learning-environment-to-advance-deep-reinforcement-learning/ might have some overlap with people on this channel too.
< 1623278251 935841 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :meh, wanted to make IRC morse encoder/decoder the only morse ruby gem that can encode Cyrillic is packaged in the wrong way (with dependencies lock file included) while one of the dependencies is made in the wrong way (has binary with a name 'console' that is conflicting)
< 1623278328 889099 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yesterday I learned that the average length of working at Facebook is 8 months
< 1623278365 161847 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :[https://kiwiirc.com] salpynx
< 1623278418 289551 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(missed ", but" somewhere above)
< 1623278703 384982 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when your repo is a dependency for 4500 other repos and all them don't install because you can't ./bin properly https://github.com/krisleech/wisper/issues/183
< 1623278712 69488 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does that average take internships into account too, I wonder.
< 1623278724 597986 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie idk
< 1623278820 525790 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was in a "podcast" talk interview with a girl who's currently in some consulting about how to build things
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< 1623279807 565694 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no!
< 1623279817 176518 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you esoteric guys are infecting me
< 1623279850 4039 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I felt a sudden urge to spell "preemptive" with a diaræsis. I could suppress it this time, but it's worrying
< 1623279959 570828 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just coöperate with us and you won't get hurt.
< 1623280010 130669 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I saw "coöperation" spelled that way in a book (of fiction) somewhat recently.
< 1623280092 179410 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :“So we’re competing against a fuel cell for the available oxygen?” Arsibalt asked.   “Think of it as coöperation.”   (Anathem, Neal Stephenson)
< 1623280165 474171 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that doesn't work, "ö" and "ü" just look to me like it's an umlaut changing the vowel value rather than a diaresis to separate adjacent vowels, unless perhaps it's in French text where they look a bit more confusing (even though "ö" and "ü" are very rare in French in that context)
< 1623280194 159898 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname
< 1623280199 936463 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but "ë" does look like it has a diaresis, because I don't see that one used as an umlaut often
< 1623280219 742515 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not saying it never happens, but it's not as common as with "ö" and "ü"
< 1623280228 259317 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :what should the minimal resolution of a glyph be.
< 1623280280 234370 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I do find myself forced to think of the Finnish ö (/ø/) sound whenever I see ö in "coöperation", and it does sound pretty silly.
< 1623280282 314752 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: depends on the script, I am working on a 6 pixel tall tiny latin font, but I'd never consider a 6 pixel tall kanji or hangul or vietnamese font, those just need more space
< 1623280306 807217 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION prefers powers of two.
< 1623280358 269713 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :even "ä" looks like an umlaut to me, even though technically "ë" as umlaut is more common in Hungarian, but "ä" is prevalent because of all the german and swedish texts
< 1623280410 746242 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :gimme da chonky 8x8 glyphs.
< 1623280443 383587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :1x1 is the best minimal power of 2 hth
< 1623280444 51454 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :8 pixel tall is well proven on many older computer displays and printers
< 1623280467 806766 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fecupboard20 my font is 20 pixel tall, that's why it's called that
< 1623280472 173459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? oërjan
< 1623280473 860420 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :oërjan? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1623280524 36918 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there used to be a fecupboard16, but I no longer use it, it doesn't have decent character coverage, it doesn't look nice, and I'm not distributing it because it's not a free font
< 1623280549 458401 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to use it on VGA text console 
< 1623280608 889887 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think my SparcStation 5 had a 12x22 pixel font in its ROMs.
< 1623280630 905701 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it was a little quirky though.
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< 1623280657 955857 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :something I'm contemplating is doing sub-glyphs.
< 1623280684 610378 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :either shipping an 8x8 or 4x4 "shape" pack and building glyphs on top of that.
< 1623280695 529541 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :so your text would probably be chonk.
< 1623280926 910462 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://mrmotarius.itch.io/mrmotext
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< 1623281502 720395 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have 8x8 fonts for code page 437, 850, 865, 866, and 1125.
< 1623281589 934473 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :are there really thousands of codepages now.
< 1623281638 241129 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: not for 852? 
< 1623281642 94554 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs ::P
< 1623281673 720088 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't even DOS 6.22 include one for 852 that you can enable with MODE ?
< 1623281694 537071 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :by changing to 852 codepage and to 50 line mode on VGA that is
< 1623281730 74331 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if not, you can just make such a font from a 8x8 unicode font with enough coverage
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< 1623281820 603225 :gundalow7!~gundalow@223.205.235.108 PRIVMSG #esolangs :/!\ THIᏚ CHΑNⲚEL HAЅ MΟVEᎠ ΤO IᏒC.LⅠBΕᎡA.ϹHAТ #НAMᎡADIΟ /ǃ\
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< 1623281857 21377 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol.
< 1623281915 719981 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode /ǃ\
< 1623281916 821263 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+002F SOLIDUS] [U+01C3 LATIN LETTER RETROFLEX CLICK] [U+FF3C FULLWIDTH REVERSE SOLIDUS]
< 1623281921 463298 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: filtered
> 1623281921 463373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: Filter expressions: (/|⧸|/)(!|!|ⵑ|︕)(\|﹨|\|⧵) /!\\
< 1623281954 231005 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, it might be missing U+01C3 in the middle part.
< 1623281966 886997 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode /!\
< 1623281968 79659 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+002F SOLIDUS] [U+0021 EXCLAMATION MARK] [U+FF3C FULLWIDTH REVERSE SOLIDUS]
< 1623281997 767663 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :language and writing is complicated.
< 1623282015 551333 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: unfilter (/|⧸|/)(!|!|ⵑ|︕)(\|﹨|\|⧵)
> 1623282015 552462 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: unfiltering
< 1623282026 238966 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: filter (/|⧸|/)(!|!|ⵑ|︕|ǃ)(\|﹨|\|⧵)
> 1623282026 240110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brctl: filtering
< 1623282031 453889 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder what subset of UTF-8 will fit in an 8x8 character cell.
< 1623282061 118897 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :By definition all of it, unless you put a fidelity requirement on it.
< 1623282073 422638 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's 2^64 different 8x8 characters, after all.
< 1623282103 240914 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :legible characters.
> 1623282121 333632 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84301&oldid=83935 5* 03Batata 5* (+60) 10
< 1623282125 310463 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's just a matter of training your users, surely.
< 1623282126 299479 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :guess I should just learn to read in 64-bit code blocks.
< 1623282307 893010 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :▜▘▌ ▝ ▗▖  ▄▖  ▗▖▄ ▄   ▌ ▗   ▌ ▄ ▖▖ ▌  ▟▖▗   ▖▖▗ ▗▖▗ ▗▖▄ ▝ ▄▖▗   ▖▖▝ ▟▖▌ ▗ ▖▖▟▖  ▗▖▗ ▄ ▟▖▗ ▖▖▟▖  
< 1623282311 898677 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :▐ ▛▖▐ ▘▖  ▖▘  ▌ ▄▌▌▌  ▛▖▛▘  ▛▖▄▌▛ ▞▌  ▐ ▌▌  ▛ ▛▘▌ ▌▌▚▌▌▌▐ ▖▘▛▘  ▙▌▐ ▐ ▛▖▌▌▌▌▐   ▌ ▌▌▌▌▐ ▛▘▞▖▐   
< 1623282315 905050 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :▝ ▘▘▝ ▀   ▀▘  ▝▘▀▘▘▘  ▀ ▝▘  ▘▘▀▘▘ ▝▘   ▘▝   ▘ ▝▘▝▘▝ ▄▘▘▘▝ ▀▘▝▘  ▀▘▝  ▘▘▘▝ ▝▘ ▘  ▝▘▝ ▘▘ ▘▝▘▘▘ ▘▝ 
< 1623282368 687258 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that a 2.
> 1623282370 814548 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84302&oldid=84301 5* 03Batata 5* (+45) 10
< 1623282378 78467 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :"this 2 can be hard to recognize without context"
< 1623282387 918408 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a "z", as you can tell from the same pixels in "recognize".
< 1623282394 42685 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :aha.
< 1623282405 991103 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :▀▖  ▐ ▄▖  ▄▖  
< 1623282406 39106 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :▞   ▝ ▄▖  ▖▘  
< 1623282406 39204 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :▀▘  ▝     ▀▘▝ 
< 1623282411 750263 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair.
< 1623282425 150617 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to use that font at work in Chat, but while it made the block-drawing characters monospaced, the spaces stayed proportional, and it went all wrong.
< 1623282448 530326 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :the 'e' looks all fucked up, like it compressed it.
< 1623282472 283203 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I.. actually do not know whether my terminal font is monospaced. I think it is.
< 1623282496 29771 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: Many of the lwer code page numbers are EBCDIC rather than ASCII, so the code page numbers used modern are high larger numbers.
< 1623282508 778305 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I don't have 852.
< 1623282516 986859 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: meant it to be a joke.
< 1623282549 795521 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a code page number for TRON?
< 1623282561 390284 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://zem.fi/tmp/ref.png if you want to see a reference rendering. I do like the "z" in that though.
< 1623282581 933535 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh that looks nothing like mine.
< 1623282594 504238 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :everything is all cronched together.
< 1623282627 348624 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you added curvature/smooth corners to the block shapes, it'd be better.
< 1623282635 318301 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least more parseable.
< 1623282641 677597 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's probably some sort of a width difference between space and the blocks, because that's a good description of what it looked like in Chat.
< 1623282669 123101 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah. those blocks are definitely compressed length-wise for me.
< 1623282692 223229 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the top pixel on the 'e' is like, 1px by 8px.
< 1623282728 85793 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh, that's awkward. Oh well.
< 1623282740 764557 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION needs a new font.
< 1623282848 761358 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Code page 852 is one of the ones I wanted though, so that if Berusky game is ported to Free Hero Mesh, that the proper orthography can be in use. (Also maybe should be added the possibility to use other font sizes too, although currently a lot of the code assumes that 8x8 fonts are used, so they will need to be changed if it is to be implemented.)
< 1623282920 373741 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, well... it didn't turn out great in my web browser on the logs page either: https://zem.fi/tmp/ref2.png
< 1623282982 829290 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And that's styled as `font-family: monospace;` and all.
< 1623282990 871550 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :eugh that alignment.
< 1623283053 338972 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My own opinion is that Unicode is bad for grid-based text displaying.
< 1623283072 378001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that's an interesting tiny font. has some decisions different from what I made in my tiny font
< 1623283093 721123 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if it's the same size, most of the letters differ
< 1623283174 844781 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's the one I did for rfk86, I think with the main inspiration being mooz's TI-86 Befunge interpreter's font probably, though it's not exactly same as that one either.
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< 1623318627 241555 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\help morse
< 1623318627 419022 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :\morse 
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< 1623318832 360911 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\morse hello world
< 1623318833 504921 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs : .... . .-.. .-.. --- / .-- --- .-. .-.. -..
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< 1623318847 309745 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :\demorse ; \demorse ru 
< 1623318856 971519 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\demorse .... . .-.. .-.. --- / .-- --- .-. .-.. -..
< 1623318858 115386 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs : HELLO WORLD
< 1623318867 471627 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\demorse ru .... . .-.. .-.. --- / .-- --- .-. .-.. -..
< 1623318868 616647 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs : ХЕЛЛО ВОРЛД
< 1623318882 934000 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\demorse -- ..- .-. ... ..- / --- -. / ... ..- ..- .-. .. -.- --- -.- --- .. -. . -. / ...- . ... .. . .-.. .-.- -- .-.- .-.- -. / ... --- .--. . ..- - ..- -. ..- - / .- .-. -.- - .. -. . -. / -. .. ... .-.- -.- .-.- ... .-.. .- .--- ..
< 1623318884 78910 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs : MURSU ON SUURIKOKOINEN VESIELMN SOPEUTUNUT ARKTINEN NISKSLAJI
< 1623318893 507537 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\demorse ru -- ..- .-. ... ..- / --- -. / ... ..- ..- .-. .. -.- --- -.- --- .. -. . -. / ...- . ... .. . .-.. .-.- -- .-.- .-.- -. / ... --- .--. . ..- - ..- -. ..- - / .- .-. -.- - .. -. . -. / -. .. ... .-.- -.- .-.- ... .-.. .- .--- ..
< 1623318894 652201 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs : МУРСУ ОН СУУРИКОКОИНЕН ЖЕСИЕЛЯМЯЯН СОПЕУТУНУТ АРКТИНЕН НИСЯКЯСЛАЙИ
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< 1623318969 781295 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure what is .-.-
< 1623318982 268388 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it some finnish letter modifier?
> 1623319482 704873 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velik14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84306&oldid=83996 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+295) 10added \morse and \demorse examples
< 1623319578 691350 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's an Ä.
< 1623319625 673804 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which some online decoder converted into an Æ when I looked that up, so I presume it's that in some other dialect of morse code.)
< 1623319794 491276 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't find it here https://www.itu.int/rec/R-REC-M.1677-1-200910-I
< 1623319859 250494 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code#Letters,_numbers,_punctuation,_prosigns_for_Morse_code_and_non-Latin_variants has it listed under the vague "non-Latin extensions" category, as "shared by Ä, Æ, Ą".
< 1623319957 404677 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see
< 1623320070 401964 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Making it Я in the Cyrillic flavor is moderately consistent, though. The Finnish ä is nominally /æ/, which I take it я could in some situations sound like.
< 1623320085 981500 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that only gem that can Cyrillic -- I forked it to fix the broken dependency, but it appeared to emit only ASCII (for Russian you explicitly pass `:ru` and it emits UTF-8 with Я for .-.-)
< 1623320145 478970 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :another gem, that probably can those extensions, can't Cyrillic ..\
< 1623320238 195342 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, and you know why?
< 1623320245 79457 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because first gem author is Russian
< 1623320252 659814 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the second gem author is Japanese
< 1623320383 601489 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I probably shouldn't have said "nominally", the Finnish ä *is* /æ/, we have a pretty strict 1:1 mapping of graphemes and phonemes, with just a few tiny little special cases around things like /ŋ/ (an "n" before a "k" is a short /ŋ/ instead of the usual /n/, and "ng" turns into a long /ŋː/).
< 1623320650 719473 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :checked, the Japanese gem supports japanese chars but not this extension: => "MURSU ON SUURIKOKOINEN VESIEL.-.-M.-.-.-.-N SOPEUTUNUT ARKTINEN NIS.-.-K.-.-SLAJI"
< 1623323485 592505 :monoxane!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane
> 1623323752 449685 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S l o w14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84307 5* 03Magnogen 5* (+3695) 10Create Slow
< 1623324685 230439 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: or you could just write your own morse encoder and decoder
< 1623324777 59243 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could pull request one of them to include another alphabet
< 1623324798 422452 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'd like to keep these simple https://github.com/Nakilon/nakiircbot/blob/master/example_libera_velik/remote_morse/app.rb
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> 1623326718 816083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S l o w14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84308&oldid=84307 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+44) 10Added link
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> 1623330780 859615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shuffle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84309&oldid=84304 5* 03Enoua5 5* (-251) 10Bracket cards not needed for this one
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> 1623332145 121327 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Redstone14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84311&oldid=58708 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10Categorize
> 1623332177 944899 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Redstone14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84312&oldid=84311 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10Fix
> 1623332699 477822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shuffle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84313&oldid=84309 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+889) 10/* Hello, world! */
< 1623332925 140315 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://proglangdesign.net/
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> 1623333871 691967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Enoua514]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84314&oldid=54260 5* 03Enoua5 5* (-351) 10Delete section "Languages I know"; I kinda just.. know *programming* now
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> 1623335315 559895 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bitcoin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84315&oldid=80795 5* 03MathR 5* (+174) 10/* Turing-completeness */
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< 1623342631 527992 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The same morse code for "A" with two dots above also stands for a line break, and a equal sign also stands for a paragraph break, it look like
< 1623342693 684366 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ä
< 1623343879 161908 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought those sort of breaks were done with pauses
< 1623343950 53935 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but perhaps i'm wrong
< 1623344021 255158 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like the equals sign is the same code as the  prosign which means "break" or "start new section of message"
< 1623344091 443625 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and Ä is the same code as  which means space down one line
< 1623344100 232722 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the ARRL National Traffic System
< 1623344238 439054 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes
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< 1623344325 657448 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't know very many of the prosigns
> 1623345301 670501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FolderCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84318&oldid=84317 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+63) 10/* Version 1.0 */ See laso
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> 1623345350 169910 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unary Filesystem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84321&oldid=75128 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+17) 10/* See also */ Add
> 1623345369 881783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FolderCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84322&oldid=84318 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* See also */ Cat
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< 1623345759 224690 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyone into image processing?
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< 1623346484 739687 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish there were jobs for programmers in Russia so I won't forget math after all these years
< 1623346525 673565 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm trying to solve the captcha https://i.imgur.com/MTplwa8.png
< 1623346590 536289 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I already have the text recognition half of the problem solved previously now I need to solve the deformation problem
< 1623346726 871121 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I have these two skeleton lines; how do I find some ^3 approximation for them? exactly to be able to iterate dot by dot along the approximation
< 1623346801 438278 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but probably I should find some already existing gem...
> 1623347903 334025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitcoin14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84323&oldid=80787 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+58) 10/* Examples */ cats
< 1623348562 164994 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably this https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Polynomial_regression#Ruby but I have no idea what do the 1.0 2.0 3.0 mean here
< 1623348700 866097 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :nvm, I see, 3x^2+2x+1
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< 1623349663 35892 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, i wouldnt use a cubic curve
< 1623349692 451167 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :in image 3, is only 1 pixel for every y coordinate filled
< 1623349742 425497 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could create a piecewise linear "curve" by just doing (x1,y1),(x2,y1),.. for x moving from left to right
< 1623349763 767997 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then you can smooth this and calculate normals
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< 1623350508 705130 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a extension for Firefox to display formatted JSON? (It already can display formatted XML, but I want that for JSON too; it happens often enough that I try to access some URL and the response is in JSON format.)
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< 1623350679 876658 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The "view source" could still be used if you want to display the raw JSON data, anyways)
< 1623351116 444472 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv
< 1623351199 964205 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's already built in.
< 1623351227 483653 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net NICK :awk
< 1623351275 858219 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a "JSON" tab with an interactive tree, and a "Raw Data" tab.
< 1623351443 99843 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it is a newer version than I have, then
< 1623351518 230943 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is one for chromium
< 1623351635 937260 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"The JSON viewer is new in Firefox 44." https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/JSON_viewer
> 1623352364 529013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Toxinite 5*  10New user account
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> 1623353649 51433 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84325&oldid=84305 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (-188) 10Reduced the JSFuck Truth machine by about 200 chars
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< 1623355661 85979 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I have some qualifications for image processing
< 1623355765 797369 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" I wish there were jobs for programmers in Russia" => sounds like a strong enough reason to consider migrating if there aren't
< 1623355885 783100 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: "to be able to iterate dot by dot along the approximation" => try sorting the pixels left to right, then again top the bottom, then again top left to bottom right, then again bottom left to top right, see which of the four results in less total distance
< 1623355921 668155 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you have a larger sample of these captchas? it's hard to go from just one
< 1623355955 498074 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: firefox already displays formatted JSON in the current version
> 1623356153 656264 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84326&oldid=84240 5* 03Grs 5* (+43) 10/* How it works */
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< 1623357954 383358 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want to iterate over every original pixel and find the closest one on the approximation curve to then find its coordinates in the corrected space
< 1623357961 600174 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but idk how to find the closest one
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< 1623358173 446477 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :as an approximation I can find the closest one among those on the skeleton though
> 1623358394 75743 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Qoibl14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84330 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+781) 10Created page with "'''Qwerty oriented impractical bicharacter language''' (qoibl) is an esoteric programming language created on the 10th of June 2021 by [[User:Toxinite]]. {| class="wikitable"..."
< 1623358451 109598 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: what kind of approximation curve do you have?
< 1623358480 561546 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :^3 or ^4 polynom
< 1623358506 639297 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it a spline? or y is a polynomial of x? 
< 1623358529 974651 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :polynomial; idk other way to make an approximation
< 1623358579 934196 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then why don't you just use the point with the matching y coordinate? isn't that also how you optimized the approximating curve?
< 1623358658 534795 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's not the closest one
< 1623358667 171108 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need to restore space shape
< 1623358704 326096 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :find the corresponding normal
> 1623359128 492165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Qoibl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84331&oldid=84330 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+92) 10
< 1623359324 173902 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that rosetta code gave these coefficients [-69.02347358088862, 5.116073840910607, -0.09317624841538175, 0.0008300975974690756, -2.7594210609514763e-06]
< 1623359342 371919 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for left word; counting left top corner as (0,0)
< 1623359430 789956 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, searching for the closest among that skeleton won't work because the skeleton ends aren't going far enough
< 1623359536 826187 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone in internet says "One way to approximate the solution is to discretize the curve into a polyline", heh, like riv said
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< 1623359979 986894 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :even iterative newton method won't work because of the space distortion
< 1623360024 154192 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I'll just calculate a thousand of polynom dots along the image and then search among all of them
< 1623360126 651272 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then I'll have to multiply the X distance between them by derivative... things are more complex than I imagined _-- will have a long fight with bugs
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> 1623360259 553474 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Stellartux 5*  10New user account
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< 1623361321 250380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but why do you need the closest?
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< 1623362093 682999 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space NICK :DeathProgarmming
< 1623362112 207428 :DeathProgarmming!~quassel@autistic.space NICK :Soni
< 1623362180 542709 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/PCodCHm.png
< 1623362234 423442 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I take green point and find the corresponding blue normal to the red axis that is distorted in original image but is straight in the corrected space
< 1623362262 745368 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean I don't find the normal but where it intersects the red curve
< 1623362273 836918 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to find the resulting X
< 1623362357 541401 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :current problem is to somehow convert the original X to resulting X'
< 1623362386 548232 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because I have to continuously multiply by derivative so it's like integral _<>
< 1623362498 503639 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I have a starting point of my curve segment with 1000 points on it
< 1623362512 513600 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I need to calculate its length
< 1623362833 914879 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if local length is abs(derivative) then the total length is antiderivative(abs(derivative))...
< 1623362935 31938 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curve#Length_of_a_curve
< 1623363031 837711 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've no idea how to calculate it
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< 1623365871 484253 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :> points.map{ |v,x,y| x }.minmax
< 1623365871 611899 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :=> [0, 3019]
< 1623365872 826426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:13: error: parse error on input ‘|’
< 1623365876 651834 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :> points.map{ |v,x,y| y }.minmax
< 1623365876 779436 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :=> [-87, 84]
< 1623365878 129603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:13: error: parse error on input ‘|’
< 1623365884 402917 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sry lambdabot
< 1623365921 496237 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this image seems to be  of 3000:150 aspect ratio
< 1623365950 76073 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds close to the aspect ratio of the first word when the space is corrected
< 1623365973 29778 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I need somehow to convert the array of dots to an image  filling the gaps
< 1623365980 906623 :base128isawesome!~quassel@autistic.space NICK :Soni
< 1623367618 429945 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/0iK27nR.png
< 1623367623 166224 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not what I expected lol
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< 1623368052 613782 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the shape looks correct though https://i.imgur.com/MZx8oB6.png 
< 1623368171 399290 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure what's wrong with last 9 columns, why they don't finish the rectangle
> 1623368745 62238 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Qoibl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84332&oldid=84331 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+58) 10Cats/templates
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< 1623370205 974400 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Have you played the "Gruniozerca" series of computer games? Do you know if they will make a fourth?
< 1623370783 718889 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :horraaaaaay https://i.imgur.com/wpdljVj.png
< 1623370938 389034 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking about this for ~10 years and finally made it
< 1623370979 217829 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :whazzat.
< 1623371058 188133 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :corrected shape of captcha word https://i.imgur.com/MTplwa8.png
< 1623371283 263996 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :few minutes think up, ten years of hesitating and few hours to implement
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< 1623378986 834646 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: great
< 1623379004 438507 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I'd still like to know if you have more example inputs of those captchas
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< 1623391972 173294 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I made in Free Hero Mesh that it remembers which levels you have solved and it is writing the level number green in that case, rather than red. However, it does not yet have a menu to display a list of all of the levels, nor the possibility to make a SQL query on the list of levels; hopefully these things can be added in future
< 1623395459 507420 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_Jonas not yet, gotta collect them for ml anyway
< 1623395566 276778 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thelounge is weird on mobile. Keyboard takes one half of screen. Browser address bar, topic and input takes another half. Can't read while typing
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< 1623395794 541674 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Still have no idea why right 9 columns were not full
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< 1623396452 969218 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also imgur is awful on mobile (
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< 1623396980 329210 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(better if you switch to desktop mode)
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< 1623399521 728910 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think someone already joked about ACIDIC language but I came up with yet another deacronymization: “allegedly circuitous immaterial divine instruction code”
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< 1623414696 947291 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv wasn't here a hackeso command to generate abbreviations?
< 1623414718 870733 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*deacronymizations
< 1623414741 89991 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: hmmm don’t think I’ve seen one!
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< 1623414753 943669 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hackeso needs a regex search for commands by name and/or description
< 1623414771 188565 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :playing FEZ right now, it’s a great fun
< 1623414974 125925 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel handicated having no logs search in Thelounge
< 1623414979 959425 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*handicaped
< 1623415074 331213 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there is no website with #esolangs log search, right?
< 1623415251 180330 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm I thought there were pages with each full year of logs but there are only full-month pages
< 1623415308 213830 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: do you know where can the logs be searched?
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< 1623415609 79467 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how unreasonable would a 20MB web page be in 2021?
< 1623415624 410024 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that ridiculous web pages sizes are common, but am not sure if they can reasonably be *that* large
> 1623415864 256287 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Delta Salein Ao14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84340&oldid=84172 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10Stub
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> 1623416001 527900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84341&oldid=84339 5* 03ResU 5* (+195) 10
< 1623416079 820827 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: 20 MB is possible if it serves multiple high resolution images or a small video
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< 1623416152 532697 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in this case, it would be 20MB of compressed text
< 1623416169 524513 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the context is, trying to host an esolang interpreter
< 1623416178 785796 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that uses a compression algorithm with a really big dictionary
< 1623416179 536153 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I’d add if the large part of its content is cacheable then maybe not that bad
< 1623416197 575710 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: "a regex search for commands by name" => grep -Eie "$1" /hackenv/share/whatis
< 1623416200 892919 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it should be cacheable, although actually getting it to be cached would be a little harder
< 1623416231 750161 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: we don't currently have a log search, you'd have to download the logs and search them locally. fizzie was vaguely planning to set up a log search.
< 1623416233 224341 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I meant cacheable by a poor browser :)
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< 1623416273 132341 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the part that's unlikely to change should be on a separate page and loaded by XHR or JSONP or whatever, so that we can change it without invalidating the cache
< 1623416303 441814 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think that sounds reasonable then, just perhaps make a landing page with human-readable description of what you're doing that doesn't load that
< 1623416319 480292 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it only loads the dictionary if the viewer actually wants to use it
< 1623416332 229093 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could even load it lazily, I guess
< 1623416341 680321 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait until there's an attempt to compress or decompress a string
< 1623416341 730981 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean at least if the user wants to evaluate something
< 1623416348 614668 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not necessarily that lazily
< 1623416351 910230 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though that's certainly possible
< 1623416405 63418 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been pondering finding some way to split the dictionary up into, say, 65536 separate files, so that we only load the parts of the dictionary that are actually needed
< 1623416421 305371 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that means that each individual part would compress less well
< 1623416438 138543 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"loaded by XHR or JSONP" => that might be overcomplicating it, unless you really want to make it lazy. it could just be a javascript or web assembly or an uncompressed image file that the page loads normally, and then access the blob in it from the interpreter javascript
< 1623416458 614384 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :through the canvas API if it's an image
< 1623416484 969142 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"65536 separate files" => um, is your compression algorithm such that that actually works?
< 1623416491 761027 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the canvas API doesn't exist nowadays, I thought? so that you couldn't fingerprint a browser by measuring how its rendering works
< 1623416517 908104 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also that sounds too many chunks for a 20 MB file that you're sending through network
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< 1623416550 943268 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I don't know, I think the canvas API still exists, but if not, there's probably a modern replacement like webGL or whatever
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< 1623416587 530601 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why does my IRC client keep segfaulting
< 1623416597 180007 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe 65536 is too many, and it should be 1024 or 2048 or so
< 1623416626 95571 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, still too many, that would make the individual chunks only 10K
< 1623416632 613498 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd make them at least 100K sized
< 1623416636 269217 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, you'd need to access multiple chunks, most likely
< 1623416650 500001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :with 10K there'd be significant protocol overhead
< 1623416654 972086 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for retreiving the files
< 1623416655 20217 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been looking at various compression algorithms (including trying to invent my own)
< 1623416675 124319 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if canvas doesn't work, then just a javascript or web assembly file containing a blob (or multiple smaller blobs)
< 1623416685 390471 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :prezip followed by one of the usual general-purpose compressors (gzip, bzip2, xz, etc.) seems to be the best algorithm
< 1623416691 669636 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably gzip because web browsers have that already
< 1623416692 442776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or you can make it XHR and cache it to local storage
< 1623416704 244648 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and prezip's compression ratio is hardly hurt by cutting the file and compressing the two bits separately
< 1623416716 528971 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: can you decompress xz client-side in the browser?
< 1623416736 909654 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well there are couple of megabytes of webassembly in here too, so probably
< 1623416750 33431 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but relying on browers' built in gunzips would be easier
< 1623416755 94453 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well yes, it's Turing-complete, but like efficiently
< 1623416780 901395 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is an esolang, efficiency is just a bonus :-D
< 1623416794 653882 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've mostly been aiming for good asymptotic complexity but ignoring the constant factors
< 1623416803 656011 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh
< 1623416809 353512 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and decompressing a specific, fixed dictionary is O(1) so it doesn't matter
< 1623416824 842285 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it's for good asymptotic complexity then your 20 MB dictionary is too small :-)
< 1623416840 717798 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is the largest dictionary I could find :-)
< 1623416854 785308 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is 9.4 MB uncompressed
< 1623416871 991754 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you want to compress it to 20 MB? brilliant
< 1623416876 355739 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(sorry)
< 1623416889 776363 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, 94 MB uncompressed
< 1623416907 453956 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :these numbers get so big that it's hard to count the digits in them
< 1623416916 357564 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's betteer
< 1623416967 94988 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.240.226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks for the advice, I'll think about this some more
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> 1623418803 205083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Primes14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84342 5* 03Meloons 5* (+15387) 10Added Page
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> 1623421466 442254 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84343&oldid=84298 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+12) 10Added Qoibl
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> 1623422892 35871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Qoibl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84344&oldid=84333 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+184) 10
> 1623423899 489267 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Qoibl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84345&oldid=84344 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+66) 10
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> 1623426647 779498 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Toxinite14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84347 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+56) 10Created page with "I am a person who likes esolangs ==Esolangs== *[[Qoibl]]"
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> 1623426795 601012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Piet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84348&oldid=76238 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+64) 10/* Direction pointer */ (Lists exists)
< 1623427400 336165 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I've snapped. I propose an abomination: https://bpa.st/WVZQ Can any category theorists confirm that I'm on a decent track?
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< 1623432228 18624 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :UTF-8 in brainfuck?
< 1623432292 886621 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :easily done
< 1623432312 39413 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :make . print out bytes instead if chars, done
> 1623432344 906541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Among Us14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84349&oldid=84293 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (-733) 10
< 1623432368 995640 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs ::O
< 1623432401 950042 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't that how most BF impls work anyway?
> 1623432403 827951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Among Us14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84350&oldid=84349 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+7) 10
< 1623432421 711764 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably, yeah
< 1623432444 526664 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's harder to make bf not support utf8
< 1623432450 111891 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :brainfuck isn't limited to text data
< 1623432473 166369 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only issue i'm aware of with processing arbitrary binary data is that you can't distinguish a null byte from EOF
< 1623432498 175062 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that presents no additional issues for UTF-8 compared to ASCII
< 1623432520 729263 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :because in both codes the null byte is only used to represent the null character and never for anything else
> 1623432547 850131 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Zero player rodent 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Among us.png10]]": Logo for the Among Us programming language
> 1623432719 472369 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Among Us14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84352&oldid=84350 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+77) 10
< 1623432727 295840 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you still might want to implement some UTF-8-related algorithms in brainfuck like finding codepoint boundaries or whatever
< 1623432733 305178 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that shouldn't be particularly challenging
< 1623432931 904591 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :UTF-8 is a superset of ASCII, so if your program is using only ASCII then it will work on a terminal emulator with any ASCII superset, including UTF-8. The brainfuck program can easily output any data, whether ASCII, UTF-8, binary, or ANSI escapes. I think there are some extensions for doing other functions than only standard I/O if wanted too (which is not specific to brainfuck but to anything that is only standard I/O)
< 1623432959 522115 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also the representation of EOF in brainfuck depends on the implementation I think; some use 0, some use 255, some leave it unchanged, I don't know if some terminate on EOF
< 1623432995 70884 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although, if you need to input UTF-8 with nulls you can use the overlong null character encoding, I suppose
> 1623433045 388941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Zero player rodent 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Amongus.png10]]": Among Us programming language logo
> 1623433065 98407 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Among Us14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84354&oldid=84352 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (-1) 10
< 1623433133 519254 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :im curious about the following concept?
< 1623433144 342278 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :consider some kind of programming language that runs in one node
< 1623433148 590431 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :and has the ability to talk to other nodes
< 1623433151 206088 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but is not turing complete
< 1623433155 744900 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would be a good unambiguous way to handle EOF in brainfuck? add another command to ask if EOF has been reached?
< 1623433160 47172 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is not turing complete with 2 or 3 or 4 nodes
< 1623433163 744374 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it is turing complete with 5 nodes
< 1623433173 214952 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :(5 chosen arbitarily for this example)
< 1623433177 43098 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :"leave unchanged" works too but only if the cells are allowed to contain values outside [0..255]
< 1623433205 970482 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :or -1 on EOF would work if your cells can go negative
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< 1623434238 59023 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: well, you can easily do something like splitting bf programs so that each cell runs its own program, i guess
< 1623434265 429868 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and iirc bf with 3 (or 2?) unlimited cells is TC, but it is not with one
< 1623434271 483105 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, TIS-100
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< 1623435468 918400 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow!
< 1623435485 153008 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hould really play TIS-100
< 1623435562 104360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :5 might also happen to be the magic numbers where The Waterfall Model becomes TC, though it's quite likely that we'll never know the exact number
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< 1623436175 108983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :RAAAAIN
< 1623436179 670739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@metar ENVA
< 1623436181 28958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :ENVA 111820Z 12003KT 090V180 9999 SCT014 BKN024 OVC040 16/13 Q1001 TEMPO SHRA SCT008 BKN014 RMK WIND 670FT 08005KT
< 1623436227 958551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm i don't know if any of that means rain.
< 1623436268 252944 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :@metar koak
< 1623436268 427438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :KOAK 111753Z 22005KT 10SM FEW010 SCT200 16/09 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP197 T01610089 10161 20100 58003
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< 1623436791 255539 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: everybody should play every zach-like!
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< 1623437100 178616 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i played lots of magnum opus, that was great
< 1623439097 426350 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: TEMPO SHRA means a little bit of showers, I think.
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< 1623439831 628145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1623441712 783969 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :TIS-100 is fun
< 1623441718 489448 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is The Waterfall Model?
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> 1623443494 434032 PRIVMSG #esolangs : some clever device for software salesmen to make lots of green paper
< 1623444160 1994 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's that, too, but I rather think here it was a reference to https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Waterfall_Model
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< 1623444457 897177 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Waterfall_Model
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< 1623444600 703723 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that's pretty neat
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> 1623445765 817349 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Primes14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84355&oldid=84342 5* 03Meloons 5* (+107) 10Added GitHub Reference
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> 1623449866 108520 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84357&oldid=84325 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+538) 10
< 1623449967 319550 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :accidentally won FEZ with 32 cubes or something. They say it has a better ending when you come with all 64 cubes
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> 1623450098 378818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84358&oldid=82876 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+410) 10
< 1623450152 689531 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was a bit confused when doors expecting 32 cubes opened for me when I had less. But in reality anti-cubes count to the overall number of cubes and that’s even displayed when the gate opens, flashing briefly squares of two different colors, each square for each cube you have. I didn’t notice that at first
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< 1623453358 808382 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, was the safety pin of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch one of the True Nails with which Our Lord and Savior was crucified, and if so, through which of his body parts was it hammered?
< 1623453359 40769 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it's not functional and it's barely turing complete with an ugly memory model for a multiplexer and an encoder/ decoder to/ from
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> 1623455511 748807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84359&oldid=84341 5* 03ResU 5* (+38) 10
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< 1623460571 633661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : Corbin: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic says "Blackbird"  <-- after a little wikiwalk inspired by wikipedia's featured picture, turns out those are not actually corvids
< 1623460723 388951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(neither the european nor american version)
< 1623460811 116893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*old world nor new world
< 1623461014 260304 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Zoology is wack, huh? And bluejays are corvids despite looking like passerines. TIL, thanks.
< 1623461266 476009 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :corvids are a subset of passerines, aren't they?
< 1623461282 601351 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae "Order: Passeriformes"
< 1623461340 968821 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like jays
< 1623461360 85877 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :we don't have blue jays here but we have scrub jays and Steller's jays
< 1623461363 201695 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steller's_jay
< 1623461379 302650 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :very striking appearance
< 1623461398 311417 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh heck, so you need to know both ornithology and bird sociology to tell whether there's a combinatorial bird that's also a corvid
< 1623461432 701273 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or more likely, solve some kind of puzzle where the forest's keeper tells you about rules that somehow involve corvids and bird application, Smullyan style
< 1623461519 336139 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"After observing this forest for twenty years, I have discovered three interesting rules. (1) For every corvid A, there is a bird B such that BA is not a corvid. [...] 
< 1623461602 947963 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`I have pondered your observations all night, and have discovered a striking fact. None of the birds in this forest are corvids.' [...] `Curious. I've been observing this forest for 20 years and never realized that.'"
< 1623461604 652524 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I? No such file or directory
< 1623461631 569526 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The actual punchline in the book that none of the birds ever sing in the forest is much better than the one with corvids, I admit.)
< 1623461874 969457 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: Oh, interesting, TIL again. I thought "passerine" was just how zoologists say "songbird". The most common corvids here are crows, and they don't exactly ♩ sing ♪
< 1623461882 495538 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or perhaps it would be something like "From these three rules, detective Craig could derive the following properities. 1. All bluebirds are corvids. 2. None of the kestrels in this forest are corvids. Can you also prove those properties?"
< 1623461974 740290 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the most common songbirds here are common blackbirds
< 1623462001 787059 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but maybe they're just the most obviously recognizable, with their yellow beak but otherwise black body, while some of the other corvids are all black and hard to distinguish from each other
< 1623462031 327689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :crows might be more common
< 1623462206 802679 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :crows are very common here
< 1623462212 212022 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :almost as common as pigeons
< 1623462989 12503 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's sparrows that are common here, the little greedy guys
< 1623462992 876593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :crows are more common than pigeons here
< 1623463028 83821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although they compete with seagulls, depending on time of year
< 1623463040 421472 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think pigeons are more common than crows, though there also seem to be less pigeons than there used to be. maybe the generation of old city folks who fed pigeons have aged out?
< 1623463076 698542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are probably more pigeons in the city center (or at least used to be)
< 1623463082 777508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this is a suburb
< 1623463153 558816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps. there are pigeons right on our roof, and so are there on the roof over my parent's home, but yes, probably more common in the city center 
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< 1623463520 826652 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think that deliberately given food is probably not a huge fraction of their diet but that a lot of it is trash that will be more widely available in the city center
< 1623463543 820427 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :we also have seagulls (being by the sea and all)
< 1623463546 257253 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and they love trash too
< 1623463557 914035 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :they like to hang out at the parking lot of a burger place i go to
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< 1623477588 522980 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: So I was thinking about how to actually to meet-in-the-middle attacks with the lambda algorithm and it's not clear to me how to do it.
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< 1623478070 527027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I don't know. It /says/ it's a meet in the middle attack but it actually computes a collision between two distinct hash-like functions, somehow relying on the second half of the process to be invertible. I imagine you have a double DES, E_k1(E_k2(X)) = Y for 128 bit known plaintext X and ciphertext Y, and you rewrite that as D_k1(Y) = E_k2(X) and then treat k1 and k2 as parameters
< 1623478093 457281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then... do something with that
< 1623478116 465766 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But what?
< 1623478117 757335 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to get an ~2^64 operations attack. Or 2^56 with some extra care.
< 1623478147 225045 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are lots of collisions if you just look for any pair of keys that collide in the middle for a single plaintetxt-ciphertext pair.
< 1623478191 670783 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you probably want two pairs, and then maybe to encrypt/decrypt both texts, so f,g : 2^56 -> 2^128 or something.
< 1623478216 92646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I wrote "128 bits" for a reason
< 1623478241 434024 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, I'm not disagreeing with you, just writing things out.
< 1623478254 142622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can do some hashing on the 128 bit values to get f,g : 2^128 -> 2^128
< 1623478273 33881 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it feels weird... I'm not sure whether it works
< 1623478280 696138 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But do you want that?
< 1623478291 378626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what I want.
< 1623478296 884362 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It seems odd because if you construct h out of f and g, you're not just exploring a huge space with lots of collisions.
< 1623478318 353025 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You want to explore approximately the entire domain of h, or something?
< 1623478334 633578 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have not really worked out that  meet-in-the-middle attack part of the paper. I pointed it out because it actually *does* is find a collision between two distinct functions.
< 1623478373 639287 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And for that purpose, it does work.
< 1623478413 20162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I mostly ignored the meet-in-the-middle angle. I can't say whether it works, but it does strike me as a bit odd.
< 1623478438 695053 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fair enough.
< 1623478607 282915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, the problem with "you can do some hashing on the 128 bit values" is that the effective codomain is still just of size 2^56
< 1623478676 247561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I've been answering you wrong, I think. What I should have written is that I think that's a good question, that I haven't worked it out and that I also have some doubts about whether this works, but I have not read the text carefully enough to figure it out for sure.
< 1623478698 396698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was no need to get defensive or aggressive about it.
< 1623478703 923199 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, I was just vaguely thinking about it out loud or something at this point.
< 1623478736 420247 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I certainly didn't meet to accuse you of saying something wrong, I thought it was interesting when you said it and I didn't really think about it until today.
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< 1623479421 52384 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't get why those bots even spam in libera about switching to libera
< 1623479606 316923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: looking more closely, it searches for collisions for a single block, then validates them on a second block, and the main benefits are better tradeoff of memory for performance and better parallelization, both thanks to the distinguished points method.
< 1623479840 855318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: it's worse noting that the basic work factor in (9) is 2^84 = 2^28 * 2^56, scaling down by sqrt(w) for a table of size w, so it becomes 2^56 when we get a table entry per key
< 1623479900 958479 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, there's quite a lot going on there on top of the collision search
< 1623480013 124140 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a big part is randomizing the auxiliary functions that you have collide so that you get /different/ collisions to work with, each with a chance of being the key you're looking for
< 1623480931 325513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh what fun... https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/04/google_chip_flaws/
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< 1623482893 190407 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :And, why are some of the letters mixed up on thise spam messages?
< 1623482936 494462 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I looked at it and it looked tricky.
< 1623482956 753173 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: to thwart spam filter, obviously
< 1623482983 991084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :worse noting, I really make th wortht typos
< 1623483032 747189 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I suppose so, but a spam filter could be made to look for such mixed up letters instead. (A long time ago I had seen spam messages with too many spaces at the end of the subject line, so I used that as a filter criteria; sometimes it is base64 encoded or whatever, so I used that asa filter criteria; etc)
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< 1623485689 831490 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re why spam about it here, I don't know how plausible it is, but it *could* be an attempt to get bridge bots get killed on the other side.
< 1623485875 572564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems too elaborate
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< 1623487092 866363 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :09:30:21  i don't get why those bots even spam in libera about switching to libera
< 1623487121 574063 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the whole point was just to call people jews, koreans, etc., not switching the network for any profit
< 1623487132 753683 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people will start realising it maybe in few years
< 1623487143 229290 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :some things are too hard to understand for majority
< 1623487199 117704 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only "reason" switching from freenode was these same spambots who were telling you to do it and you just followed their orders, lol
< 1623487555 743161 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine the TPUs can have miscalculations happen every second and no one will spot it behind the "NN magick"
< 1623487617 684796 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole point of "computers being reliable" has devaluated thanks to NN hype marketing
< 1623487690 565252 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :today people with no math/engineering skills design, approve and even implement most of the software
< 1623487759 194195 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i switched way before the spambots started
< 1623487880 850945 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :same
< 1623487949 978540 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i suspect those bots to be somehow paid by freenode to fud on libera
< 1623488032 87455 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :spambots started before, they just looked different, were not automated
< 1623488046 551403 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they were human beings
< 1623488054 666896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can easily be just a third party who revels in drama... the spam resembles the supernets spam so much
< 1623488083 113999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And there's really no need to accuse Andrew+crew of things that can't be proven
< 1623488097 33874 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair enough
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< 1623488142 407798 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people didn't need anything to be proven to switch from freenode though
< 1623488198 892428 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was asking like two times what are the evidence that something bad is happening and all you had was a wikipedia link to some website where guy is called a prince and it's somehow bad or something
< 1623488221 63256 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was a hostile takeover, that's reason enough
< 1623488242 530382 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, people say these two words "hostile takeover" with no sense put in it
< 1623488251 434545 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't even matter if there were legal threats or not, it doesn't matter what the intentions from whoever are
< 1623488293 910357 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, even if it was not a hostile takeover, i still follow the staff, not the name of the network
< 1623488311 282705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Andrew's first blog post by itself would've convinced me to leave.
< 1623488315 817365 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if the staff saw a reason to leave, so do i
< 1623488357 871887 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so stuff are in fact your masters? maybe that's how the "takeover" looks like? they move you from one place to another as they wish
< 1623488386 112283 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"masters"? They're good hosts.
< 1623488395 239139 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is your reason to choose a network if not the people who operate it?
< 1623488398 701074 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how isn't Andrew a good host?
< 1623488447 414572 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the operators are what define the network, not the name of it
< 1623488450 621537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Going with the restaurant analogy, he's been serving burned food and yelling at the customers from day one.
< 1623488475 149089 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea who operates networks and this neither has or have to have any nifluence on my choice
< 1623488494 554939 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my socket connection and ability to talk and run bots works fine on any network
< 1623488523 121558 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :too bad for you, then
< 1623488550 728402 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how is it bad to be independent and not a pawn being moved elsewhere because of someon else's personal dramas lol
< 1623488557 478182 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still on freenode
< 1623488595 886600 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: so you're largely unaffected by the move and complaining about it because you think that just because you don't care about Andrew's antics, nobody else should care either?
< 1623488599 795877 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e I didn't have any burned food
< 1623488609 677716 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm not a pawn being moved. i know staffers personally and i trust them. i have yet to find any positive fact about andrew
< 1623488683 936422 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :neither of you did have a burned food
< 1623488690 542714 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was just their personal drama
< 1623488705 125354 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :some internal job communication problems
< 1623488707 510214 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :What? I saw #haskell being taken over.
< 1623488795 812489 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean by "#haskell taking over"? something like with gentoo? the bug in a script with the following apologizing from Andrew's side and purposeful hiding this by gentoo's admins to manipulate their pawns who are happy to be like that?
< 1623488932 987567 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's less "taken over by a prince and that's bad" and more "taken over by a businessman running it as some sort of startup, apparently with several reports of harassment against them, opering up known abusers", at least from my POV
< 1623488936 992891 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so either he straight up lies or has no clue on how to run a network in a robust way. great start so far. i also like how you always point out that others believe everything and at the same time are totally fine with him claiming it was an accident that should never ever happen outside of test servers or channels
< 1623488946 196227 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or another picture I see here is like starting shitting on the walls. drawing words "ACAB" with a shit, until cops come to stop you and you say "see?! they are arresting me -- that's why I was right shitting on the walls and no one will check the chronology, pawns"
< 1623488965 326485 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :but either way, it doesn't really matter particularly, people are presumably free to choose where they want their communities *shrug*
< 1623489048 193256 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"lies or has no clue on how to run a network in a robust way" -- what would you expect when half of staff have left? maybe it was even one of their sabotage scripts, saying "hey dude, run this"
< 1623489058 760929 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :sigh...
< 1623489092 292811 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, i also always run unchecked code from people that just left me
< 1623489132 444639 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if "half" of staff left, i expect him to either not run untested scripts or just test them locally
< 1623489144 427929 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe that sctipr author left on the next day
< 1623489163 690975 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i cannot trust him maintaining a reliable network either way
< 1623489172 754118 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :all you know is that it was ran and there were apologizings but you don't mentions the latter because that's not the goal of drama
< 1623489187 123004 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION yawns
< 1623489222 856965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://nitter.fdn.fr/kurtseifried/status/1398712468394811395#m
< 1623489231 265153 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, the apology doesn't matter. if he doesn't know what it does, he should never have run it in the first place. if he did know it, the apology is useless
< 1623489232 807541 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think the problem is the script or apologise per se, moreso than the sudden changes in what has previously been perfectly fine for at least two decades on freenode..
< 1623489259 68269 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole thing like "can't mention another network in topics because that's advertisement" is... pretty foreign
< 1623489262 778912 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for instance)
< 1623489273 329724 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, people self inflicted the network damage
< 1623489302 473802 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what, don't you love censorship in your free network?
< 1623489316 117452 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"he should never have run it in the first place" -- he was the one who tried to fix things unlike others
< 1623489330 688561 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what things? what was wrong?
< 1623489387 473559 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how spamming the libera network name in topic better than spamming hamradio channel name?
< 1623489442 995686 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think "this community has moved to X" is uh, not exactly spamming
< 1623489455 238297 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you call stopping you from shitting the walls a censorship?
< 1623489466 872382 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :just, like, a friendly PSA to the community in question, if they've decided to move.. be it to libera, or discord, or matrix or whatever
< 1623489490 458989 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, at first you didn't know what bots were and now you don't know what spamming is. if channel owners want to include something in their topic, it's their choice. unless it violates law, a network must not forbid me to put whatever i want in there
< 1623489541 43852 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if i spray something on the inside of my wall and get arrested for it, i indeed do call it censorship
< 1623489574 411880 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i can do whatever i want in my house
< 1623489583 370966 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the network mentions in topic was not a choice -- it was a result of a spam and person-based hate flame effect on channels owners
< 1623489587 687594 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they were bad ops
< 1623489626 890763 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, all ops of the hundreds of channels were bad because they decided to inform their respective community about a change
< 1623489629 471860 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i see
< 1623489656 360664 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wasn't only on your inside walls, the whole apartment was smelling with this
< 1623489667 887589 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how so?
< 1623489669 7615 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people were smelling shit in all the channels
< 1623489680 789251 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead of being on topic
< 1623489688 331137 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, because each house owner decided to paint something on their walls
< 1623489691 623345 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still fine
< 1623489716 7626 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is nothing that should ever be changed by a network owner
< 1623489813 216817 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's exactly what landlords should do -- stop the hype of shitting the walls no matter if they are inside or outside because the whole building started smelling
< 1623489833 29150 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can probably argue whether or not the choice to switch networks was reasonable. but _if_ i decide to move a community as an op, i should be allowed to put that information in a topic.
< 1623489856 374688 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i highly doubt landlords can do anything to you if you spray the inside of your house
< 1623489858 987249 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, it's not even the correct analogy -- channels are not personal flats but a common areas like cafes or cinemas
< 1623489865 990908 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least where i live, they cannot do shit about it
< 1623489894 825049 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a fundamental right that i can do whatever i want in my house
< 1623489903 608040 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it was a shopping center and cafe owners started serving shit
> 1623489941 434329 PRIVMSG #esolangs : well you can't farm drugs in your house
> 1623489943 451443 PRIVMSG #esolangs : or kill someone
< 1623489944 393877 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if other people don't get affected by it, sure thing
< 1623489966 272105 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, i did mention earlier that you cannot break the law
< 1623490004 717606 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole "stinking" argument is nonsens. if i spray my wall, you will not be able to smell that on the outside after like a few days max
< 1623490009 905060 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :everyone was affected; people hated this shit so much that agreed to switch just in hope that they'll stop smell what cafe owners did
< 1623490064 219155 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :channel topics are the outer side of your door anyway even if ti's a personal flat
< 1623490073 610590 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people are passing by every day 
< 1623490093 328988 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are rules on what you can do with your door for sure -- you can't shit it
< 1623490100 770903 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are channel topics the outer side?
< 1623490185 329314 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are in /list and /chanserv info and on the websites that track the channel topics
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< 1623490213 251144 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it's the same as your balcony and there are rules too about what you can place on your balcony
< 1623490219 940217 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you know why that is? so people can see relevant information. like changes in the community and stuff
< 1623490239 643862 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah nazism was revelant change in 30s
< 1623490255 685005 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, you can go that route, but that is a reason against freenode. i want to be in a network where i can put whatever legal stuff i want to in topics
< 1623490261 87566 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so Italy could learn it too
< 1623490263 244752 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then Argentina
< 1623490266 882539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
< 1623490300 140101 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that comparison is bullshit
< 1623490313 902629 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in most places, it's highly illegal to do that
< 1623490325 722059 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahah, you won't be able to put the other network name all over the place if that would be caused by that some guy from these team is a prince of some Evil Axis country or something
< 1623490331 838940 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is however not illegal to name a website that is totally legal
< 1623490365 19559 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure i will
< 1623490380 858527 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e there should be some law ahout probability that mentioning the logic, ANd and OR would be too
< 1623490398 394419 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's called a learning on mistakes
< 1623490412 33642 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen
< 1623490437 968508 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing is that you again ignore the chronology
< 1623490461 526748 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, you are comparing a legit network by trusted people with some grey area, which is still bullshit
< 1623490475 183437 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the freenode drama started with Andrew's nationality in the first place
< 1623490490 168837 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what? i don't even know andrew's nationality
< 1623490493 699677 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i don't care
< 1623490498 356745 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: You really don't get to question other people's personal decisions. We have reasons, you think they're invalid reasons, we get it. Move on, let it rest.
< 1623490498 747210 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahaha, sure
< 1623490530 595890 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how should i know? it was never mentioned by any of the staffers letters afair
< 1623490550 77931 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :his surname is such a secret
< 1623490560 395731 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this pretending is too blatant
< 1623490587 540422 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, now i pretend because i say i don't care about the nationality of somebody?
< 1623490617 985904 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe i read his surname, not sure, i never bothered to remember. i wouldn't even know his first name if you didn't mention it
< 1623490683 430172 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, so he is called lee. so what?
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< 1623505536 315664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" worse noting, I really make th wortht typos" => you managed to type "thwart" correctly
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< 1623506109 439987 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, let's do it right this time, rather than just return from a family break to see the drama played out
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< 1623511660 232860 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :That one scene from "Shawshank Redemption" where he's trying to remember how to spell "Zihuatanejo" so he can meet up with his friend~
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< 1623512143 251626 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/8PFnh0P.png -- how do I decide that the 1st of 3 peaks is what I need?
< 1623512159 409622 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the middle peak can be absent
< 1623512213 930766 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the question of image binarizing
< 1623512497 747879 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh?
< 1623512515 757690 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :question
< 1623512530 3552 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you thought of using a neural network to detect the (rotated) letters?
< 1623512584 137679 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I'm doing better than NN can do
< 1623512676 741866 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my captcha solver will have no NN cancer
< 1623512682 996339 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :is NN bad?
< 1623512738 735757 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, it's useless
< 1623512759 961740 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
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< 1623512902 992259 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :why do you say these things?
< 1623512916 551848 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :experience
< 1623512940 689766 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are letters recognized without?
< 1623512941 505319 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the most advanced technology we have to date do deal with image recognition is totally useless for image recognition
< 1623512962 326146 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :years of observations, math knowledge and marketing understanding
< 1623512974 375742 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :undistorted letters should be pretty easy, though
< 1623513014 539953 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"how are letters recognized without?" -- with machine learning
< 1623513033 584798 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what
< 1623513045 572564 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you have a link that explains how to do this machine learning?
< 1623513047 262452 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"NN is useless, just use machine learning"===
< 1623513052 811235 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, what?
< 1623513067 936434 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :machine learning is in most instances done through NN
< 1623513069 470596 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: Careful not to imagine that society is cumulative and always makes forward progress. Sometimes useless technologies are invented.
< 1623513069 836959 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :river what do you mean by "this machine learning"?
< 1623513073 863624 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'v always been curious about making a program that can read text from an image, but never managed it
< 1623513085 369424 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning
< 1623513086 770478 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: i do know that
< 1623513138 426415 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i am well aware. how does that disproof my statement?
< 1623513160 970090 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :your statement isn't proved in the first place
< 1623513185 655645 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: Neural nets are generally machine-learning, yes, but not all machine-learning is done through neural nets.
< 1623513200 722658 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: i never stated that
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< 1623513215 921540 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I implemented some example code from https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.01446 the other day, and the learning is done through black-box optimization, not using any gradients or neurons.
< 1623513216 639704 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just convinient to use for most cases
< 1623513219 138574 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, how to read text from an image
< 1623513242 277035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :river I already have 10 lines long prototype that recognizes text better than a tool made by 50 people using several multimillion costing NN technologies
< 1623513245 406720 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it's convenient with a toolkit, but NNs to me are expensive, slow, and temperamental.
< 1623513267 227395 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :im not the one arguing with you
< 1623513270 496030 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the prototype isn't even aware of language dictionaries
< 1623513271 915943 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the chat is very busy
< 1623513274 331045 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :NN is so big that you are probably easier off just using whatever NN framework you have available in your language of choice than writing a machine learning algorithm from scratch
< 1623513276 953768 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so once I add them it will do even better
< 1623513280 292366 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopefully you are not mixing my messags up with anyone elses
< 1623513311 459383 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :river I understand, it's hard to talk meaningful when every 2nd line is a purposeful flame even if not yours
< 1623513321 765144 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes it is quite frustrating
< 1623513482 704070 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :having a prototype that recognizes text better than a tool made by 50 people is a bold claim. unless the other tool isn't specifically designed to recognize text, i highly doubt you can give a reasonable metric for that
< 1623513703 137604 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :their tool was made specifically for text recognition, my tool is just a wrapped on another thing of mine that isn't even about text
< 1623513717 210502 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was just a library usage example
< 1623513758 741200 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION afk to a store
< 1623513774 55700 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*wrapper
< 1623513814 766727 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in that case, better publish a paper or even better sell that product
< 1623513881 257731 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: Aha! Okay, this is an understandable perspective. I'm usually working in a language I built, so I have to pay the cost of every abstraction. NNs would take a lot of work.
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< 1623513953 48456 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's fine. but if you just want to recognize something and are using python (and aren't doing it for research purposes), there is not much benefit writing a specialized solution over taking one of the larger existing frameworks
< 1623514251 574781 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I make this captcha solver for just a personal usage script and maybe will reuse somewhere else in future
< 1623514290 460526 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I checked how much it costs to solve your captcha with a service where a thousand of people are sitting and and solving them
< 1623514330 773300 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's ~$1.5 per 1000 captchas but they are doing it in 30 seconds in average while my one is gonna work within 5 sec
< 1623514394 494028 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"yeah, i have this technology written in like 10 lines of codes that could generate me easy passive income, but i will only use it for personal usage, because who needs free money anyways"
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< 1623516560 336190 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not totally useless, alas, but it's overmarketed and somewhat overused
< 1623516723 385345 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a lot of products have some kind of useless modern machine learning part that is technically in it but not really needed or used, just so they can market it as a product that uses machine learning, because that's fashionable. (blockchain is similar, but even worse; in most products advertised with it it's absolutely useless, as opposed to just mostly useless)
< 1623516757 761959 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it used to be JIT and multithreaded, then GPU programming, but the marketing fashions are changing
< 1623516878 957694 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: did you know about that first idea about an electronic vaccination passport in germany?
< 1623516885 433663 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's hilarious
< 1623517021 662443 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :*sigh* no, I haven't been following that political nonsense and I'm not too interested in it
< 1623517235 420996 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I'll just take the peak within the section that ends when it's the first fall to 20% of the peak
< 1623517245 989061 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or 30%, whatever
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< 1623519513 851535 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it possible to define a escape sequence that cancels any further responses from the terminal emulator for previously accepted escape sequences (but does not cancel further ones)?
< 1623519688 455206 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but where does Zach propose to get all the energy for the electrolysis? (re "https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/titan")
< 1623519722 465157 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it's a nuclear sub, so presumably nuclear power
< 1623519735 214036 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :wasteful? yes. possible? also yes
< 1623519899 379936 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: wouldn't work too well, because there's a race condition: you wouldn't know when the terminal actually reacted to the escape sequence, and in fact the terminal will likely respond to its input in sequence, so it will react to previous escape sequences before it even reads your recent one. what you can do is to send some escape sequence to which the terminal does react by a response that you can 
< 1623519905 887413 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :recognize (you can make that from cursor reads unless the terminal is like 1x1 character in size), then read from the terminal and skip everything until you see that reply
< 1623520024 60419 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: there's also an ioctl or some such system call api to flush the input queue of the terminal, but that only really works for a local linux console on /dev/ttyN , for anything else there's a race condition because the terminal logic that gives you responses is in an asyncroniously running process or even on another host
< 1623520082 271793 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that it won't work for remote terminals; it is for local terminals that I ask about
< 1623520091 72685 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for the local terminal, this is useful and getty or its equivalents do us it, so that the new login doesn't get input left there by a previous login, possibly from a malicious user. for a remote terminal like ssh, you usually start a new terminal connection instead; for serial it's a bit more complicated
< 1623520096 525069 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(specifically, local pseudoterminals)
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< 1623520120 285459 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: for local pseudoterminals, the terminal emulator process is still asynchroniously scheduled 
< 1623520152 732541 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the latency is probably less than if you're talking through an internet connection on ssh, but qualitatively it's the same
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< 1623520230 56163 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on /dev/tty this can only work because the kernel can and does actually access the read queue of the terminal and flush it and does this in a way that synchronizes with its other terminal processing
< 1623520271 37719 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can still flush a pty's queue the same way, but it doesn't really solve the race condition, you still need to wait for the terminal's response to some command you send after that and skip previous responses
< 1623520288 461815 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, if you put such a escape sequence in the shell prompt string then any responses to other escape requests (e.g. cursor position, window title, etc) will not be seen by the shell. This can also include keyboard mode; if previous escape sequences set some mode, any keys will be transmitted using the default keyboard mode instead of the new one.
< 1623520296 181372 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you can just start a new virtual terminal, which you can actually often do and may be easier (but slower) than resetting an existing one
< 1623520320 440763 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It could reset other modes too)
< 1623520403 28846 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: that's two different problems. there is a sequence "\ec" that resets almost every setting (in some cases it keeps the palette, window size, fonts, window title and icon title, etc), but you still have to skip the input
< 1623520430 739604 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for which I recommend sending a sequence of absolute cursor moves and cursor position reads and wait for the matching response, but perhaps there's a better way
< 1623520469 849906 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you may need something more complicated than just "\ec", I'm not sure, but "\ec" is what does most of the work
< 1623520524 91617 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, it even resets the weird "\e12m" mode on linux console that, for some reason, systemd's built-in getty doesn't fix on this debian system. 
< 1623520551 333432 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why doesn't systemd properly reset the terminal? I have no effing clue
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< 1623520686 854455 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are many problems with systemd that I read about, and many people don't like it, you can use something else instead
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< 1623520803 109581 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: on this computer there are bigger problems with the local console logins than that: the VESA bios is broken and sometimes doesn't properly set the video mode when switching from X11 to the mode that linux graphics mode console uses
< 1623520810 520482 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I don't particularly care about that bug for now
< 1623520848 279076 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how they messed that up, the bios and the built-in video card are on the same motherboard sold together
< 1623520874 488745 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not a separate extension video card (yet)
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< 1623549838 3846 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why do they use YCoCg rather than YCgCo?
< 1623550217 410272 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It seem to me that YCgCo is making a better prediction based on the valid range due to the value of the previous channels)
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< 1623554661 998381 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: you mean like how you order the information in jpeg and such formats? how it would work better if you ordered the channels differently? I don't even know what order it has the channels in. I guess you'd have to test whether it yields a better compression, and of course that may depend on the progressive JPEG scheme. you would have to use an encoder that can take the YUV values directly rather 
< 1623554668 12928 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :than RGB though, and I'm not sure what encoder can do that -- I mean ffmpeg can but its jpeg encoder is also terrible and not configurable so it's not a fair test, maybe libjpeg can but I don't know how
< 1623554724 776872 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though the YUV space that JPEG uses isn't quite the same as YCoCg apparently
< 1623554737 904708 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm confused by so many different linear transformations of color spaces
< 1623555057 893281 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you'll have to ask the HAM enthusiasts of esolangs
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< 1623558989 899310 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I don't mean JPEG, since I think JPEG doesn't take advantage of the order of the channels to make predictions and that stuff. But, it seems to me that the valid range of values for Cg can depend on Y, and the valid range of values for Co can depend on Cg and Y once they are known.
< 1623559010 983434 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually I did make up a picture compression based on this, and it seems to work a bit better than PNG
< 1623559047 344393 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and, unlike PNG, does not require guessing things in order to improve the compression)
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< 1623561078 442304 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: oh yeah, it's Huffman compression after that linear transformation on blocks, you'
< 1623561113 556903 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :re right that it can't take advantage of that kind of thing. I guess I was thinking of PNG, where the deflate step *can* take advantage of correlation between channels
< 1623561127 941870 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so JPEG was irrelevant
< 1623561271 707132 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should have known that, because I know how JPEG worked, but I didn't realize. oh well.
< 1623561321 528452 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but still, if you think something like flipping the order of chroma channels can help, which I doubt, then you might want to experiment with that on more modern image/video compression formats, ones where it could matter
< 1623561339 320189 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I doubt that just flipping two channels would help, but still
< 1623561349 454087 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not all that good about image compression
< 1623561405 619486 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had some ideas about them and thought about it enough to realize just how difficult the topic is
< 1623561474 982348 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :See the piccomp.c file (SHA-1 hash is c4e5438e358e174cde4b25ecd536d52f59beb702) in TeXnicard
< 1623561591 664604 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically I tried to think of how to design a good image compression algorithm, and I didn't find a way to get the properties that I want, anything I try would either be bad at compression or would be impossible to implement efficiently, and I have also experimented with existing video compression libraries and they're just too good
< 1623561603 299876 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What properties do you think that you want?
< 1623561624 417607 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it shouldn't stop me from thinking of course, but I haven't been able to think of a good enough design yet, so I want to think about it more before I can implement anything
< 1623561786 309622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: basically the problem is that decoding something variable width like Huffman is hard in a way that takes advantage of the SIMD capabilities of a CPU (or the same of a GPU). you can parallelize decompression and compression by handling individual large chunk of course, and all the other parts, as in color space transforms and DFT or other linear transforms and PNG-like prediction from previous 
< 1623561792 317907 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :value and video compression's testing which neighboring block is the most similar or even estimating the motion delta more efficiently than trying every possible delta, those can be done in SIMD
< 1623561820 730609 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but for the variable bit size huffman-like compression in the end (it doesn't necessarily need to be huffman, could be arithmetic coding) you have to iterate through individual values in series
< 1623561833 885574 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think what PNG does compressing the filter types together with the pixel data is a bad idea; it would be better to be separate
< 1623561884 703145 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if you want something that avoids that, better predicting how much to shift the input data or have a fixed width encoding, that is possible, but then you probably have to rearrange the output pixels in an unpredictable order which is even worse, or do some other intersting thing,
< 1623561895 893588 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think it's probably possible to avoid this trap, but I couldn't yet think of a good way,
< 1623561915 980284 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I should read up if any existing algorithm does that and still manage to do not terrible compression
< 1623561965 338193 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also think about how it could be done
< 1623561996 560973 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because that's what I'd like to see form an algorithm, at least for *decompression*, it could be slower for compression perhaps, though it's also worth to have other compression methods that are also fast to encode
< 1623562196 188547 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is some balance between slower compression as a price for slightly smaller encoded form while keeping the same quality and decompression time, and a more important tradeoff of slower compression and decompression and much larger encoded size for better quality, and good image/video encodings already offer both tradeoffs as a somewhat tunable parameter
< 1623562245 176682 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though there is something odd here now that I think of it
< 1623562245 711648 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1623562292 781426 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm no, nothing
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< 1623576644 720932 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't get it
< 1623576690 562997 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is function k7*x**7+k6*x**6+k5*x**5+k4*x**4+k3*x**3+k2*x**2+k1*x+k0 and  this should be its derivative, right? k7*x**6+k6*x**5+k5*x**4+k4*x**3+k3*x**2+k2*x+k1
< 1623576785 444845 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the bottom line doesn't look like derivative of upper one https://i.imgur.com/Pljjzyq.png
< 1623576804 898153 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't get above 0 in the middle
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< 1623576850 784574 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :k0..k7 = [86.37483858758613, -4.3258409149187855, 0.13119312931328275, -0.0022258811427750126, 2.156489053721058e-05, -1.1221319014114155e-07, 2.8163872939164175e-10, -2.530165279150212e-13]
< 1623576971 102644 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no, forgot to multiply by 7, 6, ...
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< 1623578711 771175 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas I've got another example https://i.imgur.com/BlsjZrI.png -- problem here is that they use several different captcha generators and this one doesn't rotate but skews the letters
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< 1623579122 120949 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: yeah, that can help with the captchas
< 1623579158 365738 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :uhm, the derivative of k7*x^7 isn't k7*x^6 but 7*k7^6
< 1623579188 352560 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :same issue with each other part of the sum except the last because x^1 will get a factor of 1
< 1623579214 494082 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, bit surprise, captchas are made to be hard to read
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< 1623579352 49030 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one is skewed too, not rotated https://i.imgur.com/dVMMdkT.png
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< 1623579450 168710 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :gotta somehow differentiate them to switch the way of chosing the closest line dot -- using "min x1-x2" instead of "min hypot x1-x2, y1-y2"
< 1623579526 503739 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or just try both ways until I see which one makes better results on the OCR stage
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< 1623583104 258321 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: yes, and nakilon corrected himself about the derivatives a few lines later, and this time I wasn't hasty enough to reply before reading that
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< 1623583808 681582 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a tool that lets me easily cut a picture from an image out/remove background
< 1623583817 547582 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :GIMPs 'intelligent scissors' aren't that great for it
< 1623583848 289942 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like with modern stuff.. it should be possible to just draw a rough outline and get a perfect cutout
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< 1623584363 31682 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: it really depends on the image, but try ones that require both a positive and negative sample, that is, points marked strictly inside and strictly outside the object, rather then a rough outline. try (1) GIMP's new foreground select tool, and (2) the GMIC QT gimp plugin's colorizer tools, which are intended to color black and white photos and black and white line art respectively (that's two 
< 1623584369 145705 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :separate tools) based on another image with sample points of color in the objects, but you can ask them for the masks of which colors go exactly where and use that to get a selection mask that you use for something other than selecting an object
< 1623584387 396966 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they aren't perfect, but I think they work better than GIMP intelligent scissors
< 1623584419 459167 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://gmic.eu/ to download the G'MIC QT Gimp plugin on windows; install from distro on debian
< 1623584449 132801 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :note that Gimp has a decent ABI so the same plugin compiled once can be reused for different minor versions of GIMP
< 1623584516 709057 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which means you can install G'MIC QT from debian and it will work for a newer version of Gimp that you install from source, as I learned
< 1623584541 418448 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was back when Gimp 2 wasn't yet in debian and I really really wanted Gimp 2 so I installed from source
< 1623584553 169966 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :now Gimp 2 is in debian stable, and I love that
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< 1623586087 844179 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now the correctness is limited by how well I apply dilations to make skeletonization go well https://i.imgur.com/ckuQeDp.png
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< 1623586151 333166 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv there was online service
< 1623586154 978928 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: yes, and that part is hard
< 1623586182 59848 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this or maybe it's a clone https://www.remove.bg/ru
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< 1623586462 53396 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/Ux0aQTH.png
< 1623586512 430058 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks
< 1623586578 182412 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually could apply the whole process twice but pixels are rotting
> 1623586603 783879 PRIVMSG #esolangs : are you trying to teach bot to cheat at captchas?
< 1623586641 728437 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, script that would send me new vacancies from local job search site
> 1623586664 685255 PRIVMSG #esolangs : note that there was a fun trick at some point where captchas consisted in two words; the first word was meant to tell whether the user was human or not; the second word was much easier to decipher and actually came from scanned books
> 1623586686 948724 PRIVMSG #esolangs : and in two months they had digitalized an entire library without optical recognition software
< 1623586704 435186 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I guess that was recaptcha
< 1623586723 190071 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now they are teaching self-driving cars
< 1623586909 478684 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: and Google Maps to read house numbers from blurred photos, surely you noticed those captchas
< 1623586960 722737 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :blurred or just photos taken from the distance by self-driven cars to teach them navigate?
> 1623587010 54940 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I don't remember house numbers
< 1623587070 745603 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: not deliberately blurred, just taken from a distance either by the same cars that Google Maps uses to make street view, or more likely by the airplane cameras that they used to make the incredibly high resolution "satellite view" from five different camera directions that isn't actually from satellites
< 1623587102 111455 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :didn't know about airplanes
< 1623587114 25705 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in, satellite view _is_ from satellites in most areas of the map, but in those places it's also low resolution and only has one camera direction 
< 1623587139 869211 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so in more populated places that most people view on the map, they used airplane cameras, which can give much higher quality
< 1623587146 431954 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would explain how they made all the trees and buildings 3d in there
< 1623587151 71640 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just because they're closer
< 1623587193 894255 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: well that's only part of it, part of the 3D buildings are modeled from their street view photos and from random location-tagged photos from the internet corellated by really clever software, the same way as we model 3d objects from 2d photos except they do it better
< 1623587247 994079 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course some of this is just speculation because they don't tell all the details about how they got every image, they only tell when that was a requirement to buy a license of pictures that other people made not specifically for them
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< 1623588139 790118 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :at first they were croudsourcing
< 1623588158 829752 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was called Warehouse 3d and people could make models of things in Sketchup
< 1623588174 67484 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sketchup was freeware and a great fun
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< 1623588248 497795 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I made models for 2-3 buildings in my town, uploaded and they were in Google Earth since then; but now I can't even find them on their website, idk
< 1623588281 664626 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could create collections and become moderator of them, similar to how people build wikipedia
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> 1623602519 753322 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Greetings all. I have a quick question. Is the sort of completeness that Godel talks about equivalent to TC under the Curry-Howard correspondence?
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> 1623602702 98396 PRIVMSG #esolangs : And, if so, is it fair to say that one way to describe the split between computer science and mathematics is in how each field responds to Godel's incompleteness theorem? i.e. mathematicians err on the side of consistency while computer scientists err on the side of completeness?
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< 1623602951 980326 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :Godels completeness theorem states that in a first order logic, if a formula is true in all models it is provable
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< 1623603005 432472 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :Godels incompleteness theorem states that arithmetic (and extensions) contain statements that are neither provable or disprovable
< 1623603097 680035 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the halting problem gives an explicit example of a problem that cannot be solved by a turing machine
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> 1623603134 618013 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Right, and under the Curry-Howard correspondence, a type system is in some sense equivalent to a Hilbert style deductive system in logic. If a no non-normalizing expression is well typed, then the corresponding logic is consistent, right?
< 1623603167 128407 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :Curry-Howard correspondence equates proofs and programs
> 1623603205 849634 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Yes, and formulas as type definitions, among other things, right?
< 1623603214 82946 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :generally consistency of a typed lambda calculus based logic is proven by showing (A) strong normalization (B) False does not have a normal form - this implies consistency as inconsistency would let you prove False
< 1623603235 289929 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :orbitaldecay72: If you want the short answer, then yes, by Lawvere's fixed-point theorem: http://tac.mta.ca/tac/reprints/articles/15/tr15.pdf
> 1623603266 512271 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Yeah, looking for the short answer to test my intuition. Thanks for the link.
> 1623603269 847475 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Appreciate you both.
< 1623603270 635293 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is a very abstract category-theoretic statement. It can be specialized to get Gödel's Incompleteness, and also to get Turing's Halting.
> 1623603303 210975 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Looks like I need to learn category theory :)
< 1623603346 91554 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :The completeness that Godel talks about is not the same as turing completeness
< 1623603364 887666 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the fact that there are problems a turing machine can't solve is a type of incompleteness
< 1623603383 820859 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that there were many different reactions to our discovery of computability theory. I don't think it's reasonable to cleave computer science from maths; computer science is the study of algorithms and data structures, which is a special case of studying abstraca.
< 1623603388 143171 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :turing completeness <- may be better referred to as turing equivalence
< 1623603437 932524 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I misread the original question, sorry.
< 1623603474 4853 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Gödel's Completeness is quite different from Gödel's Incompleteness! I don't know how the former relates to Turing's work, sorry.
> 1623603493 114325 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Okay, so in the Curry-Howard sense the halting problem corresponds to some theorem that can neither be proven nor disproven?
> 1623603496 981159 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Np, thanks Corbin
> 1623603539 255768 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Sorry for my vagueness
> 1623603546 439975 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Still learning
< 1623603546 742997 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/avigad/Teaching/halting.pdf there is a direct proof here of godels first incompleteness theorem using the halting problem as the key element, rather than godels original proof which used a self referential formula as the key element
> 1623603565 335057 PRIVMSG #esolangs : riv: beautiful, this is exactly what I was looking for
> 1623603566 458228 PRIVMSG #esolangs : thanks
< 1623603572 862306 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :> in the Curry-Howard sense the halting problem corresponds to some theorem that can neither be proven nor disproven?
< 1623603574 439862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:1: error: parse error on input ‘in’
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< 1623603589 870360 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, turing machines aren't a typed lambda calculi - so you cannot apply Curry-Howard here
> 1623603637 827238 PRIVMSG #esolangs : yeah, I get that, but typed lambda calculi are of course in some sense equivalent to turing machines, just wondering if it makes sense theoretically
< 1623603654 749922 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :a typed lambda calculus must not be turing equivalent
> 1623603657 62771 PRIVMSG #esolangs : or rather, lambda calculi in general are in some sense equivalent to turing machines
> 1623603659 252996 PRIVMSG #esolangs : yeah
< 1623603670 352990 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the strong normalization condition says that every algorithm terminates in a finite number of steps
> 1623603671 288019 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I understand that simply typed lambda calculus is not tc
> 1623603679 411533 PRIVMSG #esolangs : right
< 1623603683 9095 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :neither is dependently typed, like Coq for example
< 1623603697 602591 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is what enables a consistency proof to be done
< 1623603702 680016 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: Note that Curry-Howard-Lambek still applies, and typed lambda calculi each give a Cartesian closed category for a model, where we can try to apply Lawvere's fixed-point theorem.
< 1623603763 583001 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But yeah, generally when it *does* apply, there's enough data for a Turing category, where there's an object representing all of the untyped terms.
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< 1623603811 685755 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the untyped lambda calculus is turing equivalent, but it doesn't have types that you can interpret as logical formulae - so no Curry-Howard bridge there
< 1623603815 811470 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's nice tables at https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/computational+trilogy which are recently redone and looking nice.
> 1623603897 214339 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Okay, so, another related question, when Godel talks about incompleteness, is this in some sense equivalent to sub tc? Re: what Corbin was mentioning.
< 1623603927 569831 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Turing showed that there's a computer program which, if given a program that could solve Halting, creates a contradiction.
> 1623603994 668730 PRIVMSG #esolangs : That is my understanding of how the halting problem is proven to be uncomputable
< 1623603997 386613 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let "Truth" be the question of whether a formula in arithmetic is true. Gödel showed that there's a proof which, if given a proof that could solve Truth, creates a contradiction.
< 1623604029 354002 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Technically Tarski showed this, and similarly we can't mention Turing without the far-more-useful Rice's Theorem; there's too many people to remember~)
> 1623604050 475464 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Of course, we all stand on the shoulders of history :)
< 1623604130 296717 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is the connection between Tarski's undefinability of truth and Godels incompleteness?
< 1623604150 228804 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :> The undefinability theorem is conventionally attributed to Alfred Tarski. Gödel also discovered the undefinability theorem in 1930, while proving his incompleteness theorems published in 1931, and well before the 1933 publication of Tarski's work
< 1623604151 968897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:124: error: parse error on input ‘in’
< 1623604153 790694 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh that is funny I didn't know that
< 1623604326 139410 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't seem to imply godels incompleteness
< 1623604530 473006 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :BTW, https://www.logicmatters.net/resources/pdfs/godelbook/GodelBookLM.pdf is quite good, for anybody wanting to understand all that Gödelian stuff. I had to take it slow, because the details are extremely nuanced.
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< 1623604695 240610 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you just want to see how category theorists might apply Lawvere's work to simplify thinking about all of this, then https://arxiv.org/pdf/math/0305282.pdf is so good.
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< 1623605495 937134 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://arxiv.org/pdf/math/0305282.pdf <- this is really cool!
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< 1623605781 760020 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Lob's Paradox one is a bit jarring
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> 1623607516 849710 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Godencode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84448&oldid=84447 5* 03Plasmath 5* (+16) 10I think I finally worded this in a good way.
> 1623607892 627971 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Corbin: I'm thinking more about my comments on the distinction between computer science and mathematics. Most of my experience is as a software engineer. My education is in math, but I don't know a lot about proof theory. The thing I noticed is that, AFAIK, a program which does not halt corresponds to a proof of a contradiction in mathematics by
> 1623607893 126663 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Curry-Howard. In programming, we use languages that permit infinite loops, but in mathematics we don't use axiom systems that allow proving contradictions.
> 1623607922 611676 PRIVMSG #esolangs : On the surface, this makes sense because in classical logic if we permit a contradiction as a theorem, then everything entails. But in paraconsistent logics this is not true.
> 1623607943 100509 PRIVMSG #esolangs : As paraconsistent logics explicitly reject the principle of explosion.
> 1623608012 814958 PRIVMSG #esolangs : So, why don't mathematicians use paraconsistent logics to permit a small class of contradictions as theorems but software engineers use languages that permit infinite loops?
> 1623608029 888777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Godencode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84449&oldid=84448 5* 03Plasmath 5* (+31) 10Forgot yet another thing about this command. This is it though. I've made sure.
> 1623608029 975112 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Does this make sense, or am I way off?
> 1623608183 814547 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I recognize that what I'm proposing is a totally reformulation of how math is done, but just wondering in the spirit of intellectual inquiry
< 1623608249 469713 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, and the philosophy of why logic is even a good idea is historically important. Frege and Quine had strong but inscrutable opinions on this sort of thing.
< 1623608334 706060 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :forbidding infinite loops would need you to solve the halting problem, doesn't it?
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> 1623608342 888036 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Okay, glad I'm making sense. I recently learned about paraconsistent logics and dialetheism and immediately sensed a correlation between what those philosophies are advocating and what I do as a software engineer.
< 1623608345 420326 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't sound like an easy task for me
> 1623608356 615340 PRIVMSG #esolangs : myname: nah, just make your language sub turing
< 1623608365 273338 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is an old question: Shouldn't contradictions be relevant to the proofs which use them? If I prove that the sky is simultaneously blue and not-blue, does that make 1=2? If so, *how*?
> 1623608379 124392 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Godencode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84451&oldid=84449 5* 03Plasmath 5* (+0) 10My documentation was hard to read.
< 1623608380 285333 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :great, have a language that probably cannot do the task you are trying to solve
< 1623608430 773860 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, sure. Note that a proper dialethist cannot refute a trivialist, who claims that all things are true. In particular, a dialethist cannot prove to them that anything is false; the law of non-contradiction is a missing logical lever they'd need.
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> 1623608483 312529 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Corbin: Yeah, of course. There are definitely philosophical issues with dialetheism too, I just noticed that philosophically it was closer to what I was doing than classic logic was.
< 1623608484 211227 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: Most GPU programs are not Turing-complete. Instead, a Turing-complete CPU program repeatedly takes bounded steps by submitting bounded programs to the GPU.
< 1623608529 735245 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, you can have arbitrary many sub-tc sub-tasks, but you want to have a tc system at some point or another
> 1623608532 193960 PRIVMSG #esolangs : i.e. by using a language that allows for infinite loops I'm implicity rejecting non-contradiction
< 1623608554 62122 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :orbitaldecay72: I'm looking for a good reference, but a simple slogan is "there's no type of non-halting programs", along myname's lines. This means that it's not possible to use Curry-Howard to try to construct a family of usable contraditions.
< 1623608615 203718 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, at least in terms of semantics, an infinite loop is considered to have no semantical meaning. it's just one of the points where theory and practice diverge
< 1623608616 646730 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :In general, computers are constructive and effective, so while we don't have LEM or Choice, we do still have intuitionistic type theory, which is plenty powerful.
> 1623608617 664490 PRIVMSG #esolangs : this is where I don't know enough about formal type theory to recognize what is a limitation of classical logic, and what is a limitation of type theory
< 1623608627 938824 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imperative programming makes things hard
< 1623608660 804933 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :orbitaldecay72: Lucky 10000: https://www.ams.org/journals/bull/2017-54-03/S0273-0979-2016-01556-4/S0273-0979-2016-01556-4.pdf
> 1623608746 782376 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Corbin: thanks!
< 1623608780 122620 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ha, don't thank me yet. It took me a while to personally overcome old beliefs about maths and accept topos theory as a reasonable way to get things done.
> 1623608823 667285 PRIVMSG #esolangs : My thinking is this. We can definitely construct a Hilbert style axiom system that allows us to prove a contradiction (we have to try hard to avoid this). If type systems are basically equivalent to these, then why can't we construct a type system in which a non-normalizing term is well typed?
> 1623608832 303152 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Corbin: I'm always trying to overcome old beliefs :)
> 1623608881 166344 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Again, I'm way out of my depth here. Just trying to develop some sort of intuition for the topic.
< 1623608953 425213 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries. The answer I'd choose to keep going with Curry-Howard-Lambek, and do some category theory. We usually say that proofs of contradiction are rare because they can be shown to be categorically equivalent.
< 1623609006 576714 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Categorically, an arrow into the initial object can only come from another initial object, and they're isomorphic. Logically, a proof of contradiction can only come from another contradiction, and they're equivalent.
> 1623609017 328964 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Cool. I'll follow up with the category theory. Whenever I start barking about these questions I almost universally hear, "See category theory". Unfortunately I haven't done that yet, so I suppose I should!
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< 1623609044 836782 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Constructively, recally that a proof of contradiction ~P is literally something like "P -> false". Being able to logically entail falsity is the ur-contradiction.)
> 1623609076 579448 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Corbin: But doesn't this all presuppose classical logic? i.e. what if we are using a logic in which contradiction doesn't entail everything?
> 1623609086 453177 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Or am I missing the point?
< 1623609114 951302 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Category theory's just so much neater for logic. Like, take *any* formal logic with rewrite rules. There's a category whose objects are equivalence classes of terms, and whose arrows embody the rewrite rules.
> 1623609127 822224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GreenThePear14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84452 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+702) 10Created
> 1623609136 846260 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Got it. Alright, next stop category theory :)
> 1623609143 378401 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Thanks so much for your help. I really appreciate it.
< 1623609215 299966 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :This all presupposes some constructive logic, but not classical logic. That's the key change in POV. And yes, it's possible to build interesting paraconsistent models, and also to require relevance for contradictions, but we don't necessarily know how to implement those in computers.
< 1623609243 128287 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries. Sorry for dumping so much information onto you; hopefully it makes a little sense. Bauer's paper is really eye-opening on its own.
> 1623609485 336716 PRIVMSG #esolangs : The information is great. I come here whenever I have a question that I'm having trouble answering because invariably I get a ton of information dumped on me haha
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< 1623609890 112288 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :if categories are great why aren't there 2-categories?
< 1623609960 222039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: there are
< 1623610056 812732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/ (note: i'm not really a follower but i've heard about it)
< 1623610073 609760 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs ::O
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< 1623610224 971689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_category_theory might be more elucidating. (i haven't read that either.)
< 1623610235 182412 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :If cats are so great why aren't there 2-cats?
< 1623610252 454672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i was about to mention shachaf, i think he knows a lot more about it than i
< 1623610278 505749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you can keep him from doing feline puns
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< 1623610302 420045 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.reddit.com/r/confusing_perspective/comments/c95247/siamese_twins_cats/ here is a 2-cat
< 1623610683 275512 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :As a warmup, my housecat was yowling all last night. We got a little cat opera'd.
< 1623610715 299166 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still like "sets are 0-categories"; all of the structure of set theory is like a "decategorified" version of category theory.
< 1623610857 862518 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Remember, booleans are just -1-categories.
< 1623610901 294371 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :O_O
< 1623610906 358926 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this true?
< 1623610946 447358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION wonders too
< 1623610949 839016 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The "just" bit?
< 1623610980 811255 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :See https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/negative+thinking
< 1623610985 824858 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one conversation about image processing and one about formal logic. I don't contribute much today, but I'm glad the channel is back to its old weird self
< 1623610998 298300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it slightly reminds me that certain definitions of dimension consider the empty set -1-dimensional
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< 1623611056 887840 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which definitions?
< 1623611102 960348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'd have to look that up
< 1623611191 336191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension#Topological_spaces starts with the lebesgue covering dimension which is an example
< 1623611335 191695 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aha.
< 1623611388 376186 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas, thanks!
< 1623611402 154661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems to be true for the inductive ones too
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< 1623614339 113287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the weird thing is, half of the nicks I don't even recognize from earlier, and I wonder if people just took the opportunity at the network switch to choose new nicks and I'm so stupid as to not recognize them after that, but that probably isn't the case
< 1623614392 548908 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this channel does somehow indeed manage to pull in new weird people, even though I have no idea how they find their way here because we don't advertise ourselves very much and I find it hard to find my way into these kinds of communities
< 1623614417 992990 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I have all sorts of personal problems and sometimes you help but sometimes you cause me to stay up at night when I really shoulnd't, not that I'm blaming you, just saying
< 1623614448 852447 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the sad part is when that happens and I know that the other people who I'm talking to are Europeans and have a messed up sleep cycle hurting them too
< 1623614455 971222 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode
< 1623614480 385144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the "booleans are just -1-categories" thing sounds somehow wrong though
< 1623614508 129774 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least not true in the literal sense but perhaps there's some interesting enough analogy there that might work even if not in the literal sense
< 1623614516 90955 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas, i used to be rain1
< 1623614524 270819 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh!
< 1623614534 418079 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that explains part of it
< 1623614545 664012 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I knwo that moony renamed himself to, um, let me consult NAMES
< 1623614599 987350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: i know at least keegan took that opportunity too
< 1623614650 6571 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and perhaps some old people who left #esoteric for years but stayed on freenode, they took this oppurtunity to just CHECK on which old channels move there because they wanted to know just in case, and joined, and got stuck
< 1623614659 928637 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because that's certainly something I'd do with other channels
< 1623614691 158862 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, moony took a short nick and I think I'll recognize him if he returns under that
< 1623614700 184450 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had to change my nickname to velik
< 1623614708 562494 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and rename bot to nakilon
< 1623614728 133791 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what? "had to" but renamed the bot to the old name?
< 1623614758 57600 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just realised that I had to
< 1623614758 906946 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well he's called "moon" now, but some people switch between nicks)
< 1623614763 683167 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, that thing
< 1623614764 221471 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to confuse b_jonas
< 1623614792 788429 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, that makes more sense even though I never felt the need, perhaps because I feel lucky for choosing b_jonas because it's a better name than I knew when I came up with it
< 1623614798 712906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i thought moon had always been switching nicks
< 1623614805 254352 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still don't know who's the pythondebugshell
< 1623614806 70771 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: yeah
< 1623614809 958764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :but usualy not very far
< 1623614816 574974 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's why I recognize him more easily
< 1623614838 862695 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still don't know who Corbin is, and of course sometimes wonder about people who I do recall but don't seem to come in anymore
< 1623614864 125122 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although... there is a certain person who used to come in and I think used to ask about formal logic... I wonder
< 1623614867 893688 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i know who Corbin is :>
< 1623614899 297818 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, probably no, because I think they're from another continent
< 1623614907 690654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION looks quizzically at Corbin 
< 1623614909 951403 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :orbitaldecay72 is the one who had that amazing stuff about bitfuck right?
< 1623614923 364481 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I have all sorts of personal problems" -- heh, I'm a meter away from losing a flat and being kicked out of the country, and it makes me have bad dreams every night now
< 1623614937 460669 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :omg that sounds horrible and stressful D:
< 1623614945 987095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it does, yes
< 1623615031 268634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ouch
< 1623615050 857895 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, don't take this the wrong way, but hearing that from other people also makes it seem like this is back to good old #esoteric, because they're willing to share more than I do
< 1623615069 703243 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :about their problems, that is, not that I'm too careful about letting private details on
< 1623615279 164095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think that one terrible time when I was in a psychiatric hospital in 2018, the one I don't talk about often, part of what helped me shrug some of it off (besides my parents' care and being lucky about which doctor happened to do urgent care that night) was that I recalled that at least two different people on #esoteric told me earlier about when they were in psychiatric hospital, and I wasn't 
< 1623615285 191534 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thinking they were in great state, but they survived being in a hospital, one even for an extended time and IRCing from there, and didn't seem to be completely broken even months after, 
< 1623615305 91340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus similar stories from other weird parts of the internet
< 1623615344 983792 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although it also worked because at least I did learn what I really should pay attention to in order to not get back there again
< 1623615395 223727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just rarely feel stupid enough to discuss it in logged and googleable parts of the internet, especially as I know my nick isn't all that secret
< 1623615481 223857 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it would have been wiser to use a disposable alternate nick, if not now, at least that one time when I posted about it to a forum
< 1623615575 844782 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah, there are at least three people here who were in psychiatric hospitals?
< 1623615627 934349 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do miss some of the people who used to come here
< 1623615734 463383 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would probably not mind to get stuck in anywhere as long as there are some family members or friends to take care of your home, bills, hypothetical cat, etc.
< 1623615751 732842 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol, hypothetical cat
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< 1623616319 908407 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: yes
< 1623616334 294168 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least if you count people who used to be here at some point but might not visit now
< 1623616444 353093 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wasn't *stuck*. it was a short time, I knew I'd get out soon, that's what the doctor said to me and she was right, and once she even allowed me to temporarily leave for a few hours in what she said was against the hospital's rules (not that I have illusions about those rules consistently being kept) because my family promised to bring me back
< 1623616476 555486 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the at least one other user, the one who IRCed from the hospital, regularly, who was stuck
< 1623616530 224605 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't pretend that I'm not stuck with a psychiatric condition that I'd have to be careful with for my whole life even if I managed to get my life mostly normal, but I was not stuck in the hospital
< 1623617941 890662 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also hi future boss, who will probably find this months or years from now when searching for my name, I know you're listening and want to find out what I'm hiding by looking on the internet and asking previous employers' opinions, and you're going to pay me less money if you don't just reject me completely, but I think I wouldn't want to work in a company that has managers less diligent than that, I 
< 1623617947 864600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :couldn't trust that they could keep themselves in the business
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< 1623619709 403910 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Happy pigeon appreciation day!
< 1623619927 82520 :FuckAndrewLee!~imode@user/imode NICK :rusted-root
< 1623620139 668550 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.highgate.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does anyone by chance have a copy of the HaPyLi compiler? It's a Haskell/Python/Lisp-like language that compiles to Whitespace.
< 1623620201 172959 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.highgate.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :The website went offline around 2012 and it wasn't completely archived on the Internet Archive.
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< 1623621412 582059 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION counts herself very glad nobody else wants pikhq
< 1623621456 549763 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: yeah, i miss some people who used to be here too. still in touch with some though i don't talk with them much; also still frequently in touch with others
< 1623621471 537310 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh that's nice
< 1623621503 556128 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :and re: psych hospital. glad i've never been in one but fuck i've been close
< 1623621603 197621 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :turns out being into absolutely weird programming languages has a high overlap with just being weird as a person in one of a few different ways
> 1623621713 148230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84457&oldid=84358 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+94) 10The {edit} macro in Free Hero Mesh
< 1623622285 258766 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean i am very much a weird person so :p
< 1623622960 946886 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :pikhq: yes, but how do so many of those kinds of people actually find their way here, that's what I don't understand
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< 1623623086 393045 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand that even after I just personally recommended this channel to someone and they came here
< 1623623109 325958 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because how did I find them in first place
< 1623623117 790820 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you're that sort of weird you're gonna actively seek it out
< 1623623219 136015 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have a copy of the HaPyLi
> 1623623521 976409 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Hjoker4 5*  10New user account
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> 1623626091 749003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Among Us14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84458&oldid=84356 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+211) 10
< 1623626283 865263 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you ever dig into esolangs even a bit and want to talk to people into them this channel is hard to not find. the esolangs wiki is like the resource referenced everywhere after all
< 1623626710 540654 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep
< 1623626788 738914 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :hence how i found it when i was, like, 15
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> 1623628405 375752 PRIVMSG #esolangs : riv: yep! I was playing around with bitfuck a few years ago.
> 1623628437 427120 PRIVMSG #esolangs : specifically messing around with the reversible variant, which permits some interesting minimizations
> 1623628826 853036 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turkey14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84464 5* 03ResU 5* (+1743) 10Created page with "Turkey is a derivative of [[Chicken]]. It was created by [[User:ResU]] in 2021. ==Commands== {| class=wikitable !Opcode !Description |- |1 |Prints "turkey". |- |2-27 |Prints t..."
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< 1623632640 463419 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been in a psych hospital
< 1623632647 302130 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :twice, for one night each
< 1623632668 234702 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :they remembered me the second time even though it was a few years later
< 1623632690 808405 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure how to feel about that
< 1623632705 479476 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :BBL, going mushroom hunting
< 1623632710 34206 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :peace and love to all
> 1623633049 51481 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84470&oldid=84399 5* 03ResU 5* (+1437) 10
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< 1623634442 236143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :me too. if i remember right, i count at least 5 former or current #esotericians.
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< 1623636600 168449 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: oh i thought the mushroom hunting trip started earlier!
< 1623636611 501055 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: well, enjoy <3
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< 1623647607 681325 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it helps that the channel is so old, and has logs on the searchable internet going back for so long
< 1623649056 41982 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :should I rewatch One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
< 1623649179 986984 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mental_disorders_in_film
< 1623649705 452211 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I can believe 5, but it wouldn't have helped me to know the number, as opposed to specific first person anecdotes by people who also chatted about other things here that mattered more than knowing in abstract how many such people there were
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< 1623653911 366954 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :All of the rounds of ChaCha20 is reversible except the final round, isn't it?
< 1623654204 74974 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i would think either all of it or none of it is reversible
< 1623654261 788044 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh the rounds are reversible, but the bit where they add the input is not reversible
< 1623654267 605155 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you know the input already
> 1623655248 53402 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MaowImpl 5*  10New user account
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< 1623656052 300788 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, that is what I meant
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> 1623674706 846792 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84475&oldid=84474 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-12) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ Remove another alphabetic language from non-alphabetic list
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> 1623675379 61984 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Coeus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84477&oldid=84401 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+16) 10Improved the interpreter hyperlink text.
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> 1623680669 571439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Coeus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84485&oldid=84477 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+497) 10Improved formatting of code tokens and added a CAT program example.
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< 1623680897 208030 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1236.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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< 1623712516 27078 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://pastebin.com/dDrduun1
< 1623712532 967997 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I made a closure thingy in C
< 1623712541 510511 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :This time it works
< 1623712697 370897 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :tldr it copies entire page that the addF function is on, replaces some data to enclose the argumnet, and returns the copied + modified function
< 1623712718 346274 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Substituting a known constant in the machine code? Seems risky.
< 1623712736 234678 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :That isn't going to be portable, I think
< 1623712749 83546 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably simpler to pass it an extra argument?
< 1623712962 294249 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :i did a closure thing in c ages ago, though it is _profoundly_ hacky
< 1623712988 99429 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/pikhq/clambda-demo there we are
< 1623713012 826275 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :(portable, but extremely GCC-specific)
< 1623713183 191712 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use some GNU extensions in C programming, although there are other compilers that support some of these extensions too
< 1623713455 139510 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :What should the API for a general thing like this be?
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< 1623713628 153666 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm not sure what would be a nice API in general
< 1623713653 125008 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :tbh i've stopped trying to be clever in c; i've come to the conclusion that c is best served by writing _very_ dumb and obviously-correct code
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< 1623713767 895069 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, runtime closures like this are probably hardly ever a good idea.
< 1623713785 669449 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But good API design is surely worth thinking about in C, and isn't the same thing as gratuitous cleverness.
< 1623714653 651317 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :well ideally, i'd like it to be such that the returned function looks like any other function pointer to a funtion with that signature
< 1623714730 441062 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :there would be two ways of doing that: have every function take a closure pointer, perhaps in a dedicated register in the ABI
< 1623714736 131102 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, making it generic over function types is the tricky part.
< 1623714762 13304 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here's a sort of thing you can do: https://slbkbs.org/tmp/closure.c
< 1623714770 237319 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, alternatively, the function pointer itself would somehow
< 1623714835 275554 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh
< 1623714840 777312 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is cool
< 1623715013 301249 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there's a library that does this, and even makes it work on iOS (where you're not allowed to map executable memory).
> 1623715097 461144 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Py25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84521&oldid=84520 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-6) 10Cat, template
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< 1623715176 165020 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, maybe you can be sneaky about it and make it work for every function type.
< 1623715226 816805 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, R11 isn't caller-save, whoops.
< 1623715246 955515 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, yes it is.
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< 1623715703 637165 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, this is much nicer.
< 1623715906 785370 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :oren: Chet out this new version.
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< 1623716940 345988 :imode!~imode@user/imode NICK :FuckAndrewLee
< 1623717645 930844 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just realized that most kids from the smartphone generation might not understand what "I will not buy this record, it is scratched." means
< 1623717948 756702 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah, there's a bit of a resurgence now
< 1623717953 223754 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :FuckAndrewLee++
< 1623717980 346497 :FuckAndrewLee!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :so we fully over here now, or what.
< 1623717987 580879 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: records are no longer a mainstream standard medium but they've taken on a bit of a second life as a collector's format
< 1623717996 353097 :FuckAndrewLee!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :the nick db and the channel db got wiped.
< 1623718016 29189 :FuckAndrewLee!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :by herr lee.
< 1623718163 125695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( i will not buy this smartphone, it is scratched )
< 1623718183 449024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :what
< 1623718207 324564 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah it's weird
< 1623718269 383433 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: What pikhq said. They know what "a record" is, but they think that they make you look old or like a hipster. (I have niblings who have explained my uncoolness.)
< 1623718353 509819 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What someone told me is that phonograph records are good quality only the first time they are played
< 1623718376 463730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :FuckAndrewLee: sheesh. on the bright side maybe nakilon will finally admit we were right :P
< 1623718442 401968 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: what odds do you assign to that twh
< 1623718456 795624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :about 10% hth
< 1623718464 56267 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk i think nakilon might be rasengan
< 1623718507 806146 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :As I said in another channel, this is a classic heartwarming Christmas story.
< 1623718526 402491 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The grinch wanted to ruin Freenode for everyone, and almost succeeded, but it turns out Freenode doesn't come from a store.
< 1623718551 978396 :FuckAndrewLee!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: hahahahaha.
< 1623718557 812910 :FuckAndrewLee!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair.
< 1623718566 844539 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe his heart will grow three sizes eventually?
< 1623718740 343796 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I listen to most of my music on low-bitrate mp3s
< 1623718745 392833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :pikhq: i seriously doubt lee is into esolang stuff
< 1623718851 72851 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin, pikhq: do they know about CDs and DVDs?
< 1623718872 266003 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :some people think 32k is too low tho
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< 1623718913 414454 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: depends on the kids' age but probably. they're no longer current but they're not _that_ far removed from currency
< 1623718933 365917 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :just like a typical kid circa 2000 would still know about vhs even though it was an obsolete format then
< 1623718962 111322 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The advantage of phonograph record is the simplicity of the format; it is a groovy format, rather than a digital one, and you might be able to play even if the power out (if you have one that doesn't need the power). Other than that, it isn't really the advantage generally
< 1623719018 18471 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I did tests, and was unable to hear any difference between 128kb/s and the same songs at 32kb/s
< 1623719047 694959 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh yeah. They're experts on the difference between different disc formats. Do you remember when you learned that MIDI, WAV, and AVI were all different? Same sort of story.
< 1623719100 910245 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :oren: you may want to see an audiologist, i think you have severe hearing loss
< 1623719118 703196 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this is like claiming you can't see the difference between 32bpp and 2bpp)
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< 1623720055 964823 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you tested it yourself?
< 1623720088 973987 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes?
< 1623720125 970187 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ffmpeg -i some.mp3 -b:a 32k some_out.mp3
< 1623720184 678636 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :32kbps mp3 isn't merely "i can tell the difference" low it's "this sounds like hold music on a phone call" low
< 1623720246 270166 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm... maybe specific characteristics of the music i'm testing with
< 1623720324 466233 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh duh, these are youtube rips, the original probably was already low-bitrate
< 1623720382 462875 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, by way of comparison around 42kbps is considered acceptable for _speech_ encoding with mp3
< 1623720437 505322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( oren gets all his music from phone calls holding )
< 1623720573 271046 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay... did u know that VLC doesn't show the actual bitrate of an mp3, just the bitrate it *says* it has?
< 1623720641 862159 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :which means, that if something is transcoded to a low-quality youtube and back to 128kb/s
< 1623720887 123353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :shocking
< 1623720915 758108 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :however, one of these mp3's *says* in vlc 8kb/s
< 1623721057 198827 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://imgur.com/2x60tVI
< 1623721095 283160 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i downloaded it sometime prior to 2009
< 1623721146 832190 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guarantee you'd know if it actually was though
< 1623721229 913628 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :based on the file size it's 24 kb/s
< 1623721245 125493 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :or 3 kilobytes per second
< 1623721463 428088 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that at least explains why transcoding to 32 kb/s makes no difference for a lot of these... their actual qulity is already very low
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< 1623742809 321149 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :at first you were saying it's bad that he has our "personal data" while being so much diletant in subject of its protection that you create the same account on another network thinking that it would improve anything, lol, using the same nicknames and channels
< 1623742837 419051 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now when the data is purged you are saying "oh no, it's bad that they now DON'T have the data", lol
< 1623742883 590258 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and who should you blame in sabotaging and instability other than yourself being supporting on the network ruining
< 1623742966 96725 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you fucked up your own home
< 1623742976 408098 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :shitted and then abandoned it
< 1623743009 471427 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :tomorrow network owners will say they don't like another leader and you'll repeat it after them again
< 1623743699 294653 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1623743901 218821 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good mornign!
< 1623743910 804544 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1623744008 631699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi taneb
< 1623744161 963205 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've decided that I think that SQL is kind of neat
< 1623744185 682415 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, it's kind of declarative
< 1623744512 498069 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat
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< 1623744763 238397 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:747f:5601:f224:5330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dear people and ops.  please confirm the transition from freenode to libera
< 1623744843 120509 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :spruit11: wiki confirms it: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal
< 1623744864 421163 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :spruit11: the people confirm it, by and large
< 1623744878 726997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon seems to be in denial about it, but meh, there's always somebody.
< 1623744905 657221 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:747f:5601:f224:5330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is b_jonas moving too?
< 1623744945 258273 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:747f:5601:f224:5330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah,  well.  no need to answer.  I'll just see what happens the next week.
< 1623744965 226725 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://isfreenodedeadyet.com
< 1623745008 829507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :spruit11: I think b_jonas maintained a dual presence
< 1623745038 543157 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course now that freenode's getting a fresh start... last I checked #esoteric wasn't even registered
< 1623745057 785156 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and I won't register :P)
< 1623745081 98638 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:747f:5601:f224:5330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like it's a redirect since I ended up here
< 1623745116 226810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :spruit11: I mean on freenode :P Yes it's registered here and redirects to #esolangs
< 1623745160 705445 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm curious about how many channels are going to re-register in general
< 1623745275 632608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I shouldn't care... but I'm at least mildly curious too
< 1623746014 850687 :j-bot!~jbot@2a02:e00:ffec:76e::a JOIN #esolangs * :jevalbot
> 1623746111 326651 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07What's the dog doin?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84542&oldid=84496 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+33) 10/* See also */
< 1623746409 418788 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :[ #'j eval services have been restored, btw'
< 1623746410 60100 :j-bot!~jbot@2a02:e00:ffec:76e::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: 39
< 1623746433 642339 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I figured you probably want it in here since it was in #esoteric
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< 1623746524 216661 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I crashed it by private messaging it
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< 1623746527 880972 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sorry :(
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< 1623746906 59400 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? prefixes
< 1623746909 41468 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
> 1623747179 695738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DoFor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84543&oldid=84472 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (+795) 10
< 1623747237 188987 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, what do you think about relational algebras?
< 1623747237 378508 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: 4 legs to a table doesn't even seem to be
> 1623747312 952774 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DoFor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84544&oldid=84543 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (+0) 10/* calling a function: */
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< 1623748475 185625 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ignore
< 1623748475 308931 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :^(HackEso|lambdabot|metasepia|idris-bot|blsqbot|j-bot|esolangs|velik|perlbot)!
< 1623748489 684926 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like I did keep j-bot on the list.
< 1623749005 186598 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, I'm still register over on the other side, so either they ported over accounts after all, or I'm still in some old chunk of the network after the server I was on disconnected.
< 1623749271 617217 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You're in an old chunk of the network.
< 1623749376 588031 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mm. It didn't have a MOTD on the server, so I sort of assumed it had to be new.
< 1623749414 295900 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, maybe there are more than two chunks, or something more complicated?
< 1623749426 512696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: "freenode legacy" is still up, cf. https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_suicide
< 1623749455 180768 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well, was a short while ago... these things are changing by the hour)
< 1623749482 535606 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's separate networks, because of different IRCds
< 1623749550 458480 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, guess so. And to be fair, it did have *a* MOTD:
< 1623749552 345157 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"rinnegan.freenode.net Message of the Day - This is charybdis MOTD you might replace it, but if not your friends will laugh at you."
< 1623749569 654961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, classic.
< 1623749600 414218 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's s little like the "Apache is installed" page you get sometimes.
< 1623749881 751253 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv
< 1623749960 620562 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas
< 1623750151 629557 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oren: I wonder if you could use a single thread-specific variable to pass the closure upvalue, and then you could have the closure wrappers be copies of the same short function regardless the prototype of the wrapped function, you implement the wrapper directly in assembly and only substitute the upvalue constant and the function address, as then
< 1623750152 128875 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this wrapper won't need to access the stack or saved/parameter registers and just jumps directly to the wrapped function after saving the value to the thread-specific variable.
< 1623750231 979583 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not the most efficient way to do this, but then if you wanted something efficient, you wouldn't use this kind of closure, only saner interfaces that pass around the upvalue together with the function pointer\
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< 1623750565 268213 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e, spruit11: I'm not connecting to freenode anymore, though I might try to connect in the future if I want to track down out where some channel moved or something like that
< 1623750602 898189 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :[ 7*7
< 1623750603 224552 :j-bot!~jbot@2a02:e00:ffec:76e::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: 49
< 1623750610 123418 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: nice
< 1623750668 140008 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[ i.10
< 1623750668 443625 :j-bot!~jbot@2a02:e00:ffec:76e::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
< 1623750684 532473 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that's what I PM'd j-bot earlier just before it quit and rejoined)
< 1623750733 527948 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh weird
< 1623750743 161206 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll check the logs later
< 1623750852 31164 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :in `ircgot': error from irc client: :tungsten.libera.chat 486 j-bot Taneb :You must log
< 1623750853 714869 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :in with services to message this user (RuntimeError)
< 1623750855 710265 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh lol
< 1623750941 603424 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should figure out giving it an account later, but also not entirely sure that should cause it to crash
< 1623751157 171608 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: because it's an error code that the code doesn't recognize. you should probably ignore that error so that if someone has that user mode flag set and you can't message them, it doesn't crash.
< 1623751161 757800 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the numeric error code that is
< 1623751170 418577 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :jevalbot dies on unknown numeric error codes
< 1623751176 826348 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :j-bot source:
< 1623751176 895149 :j-bot!~jbot@2a02:e00:ffec:76e::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas, jevalbot source is https://github.com/FireyFly/jevalbot (originally http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/jevalbot.tgz)
< 1623751213 534318 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: ignore it here: https://github.com/FireyFly/jevalbot/blob/master/jeval.rb#L1064
< 1623751243 845795 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or perhaps at https://github.com/FireyFly/jevalbot/blob/master/jeval.rb#L1070 instead\
< 1623751595 115587 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:747f:5601:f224:5330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yah,  all channel and people I more or less care about seemed to have moved so I tried to help out a bit and then deleted the network.
< 1623751612 295815 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:747f:5601:f224:5330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we moved. no point looking back
< 1623751622 873525 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: I mean the user modes +R and +G in the target user
< 1623751701 314918 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on that note, if you're a channel op or wiki admin and want to get channel rights to the OFTC channels #esolangs (and #esoteric ) which is our escape route, contact b_jonas
< 1623751739 214422 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1623753631 371857 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: yeah, I probably should, I'll look at that later
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< 1623756049 631860 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, out of curiosity went to check the raw logs as to what server the esowiki bot had connected to this morning, since I don't see it myself. Looks like it's connected to something that calls itself "lol.test.freenode.net".
< 1623756476 127829 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv
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< 1623757572 13234 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :serious business
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> 1623759835 201783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Furcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84546&oldid=77955 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+75) 10/* Interpreters */ See also
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> 1623762533 403968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07What's the dog doin?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84547&oldid=84542 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+4) 10Since it was actually inspired by Airline food, I decided to put that straight in the first paragraph instead
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< 1623763305 538932 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` coins # some people pointed out that "libera" sounds like a name for a cryptocurrency, so just want to check if there's any easter egg here
< 1623763308 540685 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​13antalcoin 04codcoin 07waitcoin 08vilcoin 09nandcoin 02alerisorcoin 06minedcoin 13hq9+coin 04attecoin 07remocoin 08iirgcoin 09simumcoin 02ouercoin 06migurehecoin 13adjcoin 04webcoin 07meycoin 08tectcoin 09carintycoin 02firmacoin
< 1623763323 156564 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why does this rainbow?
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< 1623770393 333520 :imode1!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: so why don't you fucking leave here you absolute blind fuck.
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< 1623771723 572596 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: I think that language is inappropriate.
< 1623771747 965237 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: and you think the person I was resonding to was a breath of fresh air?
< 1623771757 85423 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree that language is inappropriate. Let's ban language.
< 1623771783 86137 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :we'll all communicate in blinks.
< 1623771843 774238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: No. I just respect you more than nakilon, I think nakilon is a lost cause. :-P
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< 1623783612 325602 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Where does the bridge go? Classic Freenode or new Freenode?
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< 1623784715 111755 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It goes to new right now.
< 1623784726 336024 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Judging from the fact that I ended up in classic, and I don't see it.
< 1623784751 914578 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Plus the server it connected to says it's InspIRCd-3, which AIUI is what they switched over to.
< 1623784841 992087 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm pretty puzzled by the continued existence of classic. I got disconnected at around 10am local time, but then (even though I've got it configured as chat.freenode.net, not any specific server) landed on one of the classic servers anyway. And then it's just continued to work. I'd've imagined they'd just terminate all of the old ones.
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< 1623784857 478516 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :18:19:53  nakilon: so why don't you fucking leave here you absolute blind fuck.
> 1623784861 231278 PRIVMSG #esolangs : is this thing on?
< 1623784869 880440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao
> 1623784881 834949 PRIVMSG #esolangs : (this is newleenode)
< 1623784886 895917 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :melanophore: In some sense, yes.
< 1623784892 345103 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: there has been at least two freenode classics, fwiw. One with services, one without
< 1623784918 625143 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :your words show you to be the smellest piece of shit I've seen for last few months
< 1623784930 415240 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: shut the fuck up you vile troll.
< 1623784933 22342 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice achievent, someone might proud
< 1623784935 624523 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :back on ignore you go.
< 1623784942 247596 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I'm in one where I got authenticated, in case that means something. But I imagine it won't be around *much* longer.
< 1623784959 664985 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: you really need to find a new purpose
< 1623785027 481790 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e new purpose for you?
< 1623785070 307033 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: no, for yourself. something that doesn't make you insult everyone in sight, because that's treally tiring in the long run.
< 1623785090 855845 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1623785100 476963 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I "insult everyone in sight?"
< 1623785110 699817 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wash your mouthes kids, before you talk
< 1623785119 351617 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since I'm not planning to register the channel in the new network, I'll probably disable the bridge as well.
< 1623785122 106665 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it's fruitless, someone should just ban him already.
< 1623785136 946832 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :cry more
< 1623785140 173428 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :his intent is to troll. if he disagreed, he'd stay on freenode and leave everybody alone.
< 1623785156 205485 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :that hellhole is certainly welcoming to small-minded freaks.
< 1623785157 643694 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" you fucked up your own home  shitted and then abandoned it"
< 1623785165 658492 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not exactly choice words
< 1623785184 899154 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :those are facts
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< 1623785216 941716 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :somehow you even feel the need to continue shitting even here
< 1623785234 328966 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not really, your analogy is seriously flawed. But that's not the point... the point is that it's insulting, it's not going to make anyone switch away from Libera at this point.
< 1623785272 972048 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I love the freaks that just jump on to Libera to insult people. yeah, that's why you're not and never will be welcome.
< 1623785289 189110 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's an excuse to jump out of the woodwork and yell at people you don't like.
< 1623785305 794912 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :go back to your termite-ridden shithole.
< 1623785316 311954 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't care less of where are switched too, which network, but what is obvious here is that the freenode did nothing bad to this channel while you definitely pollute it
< 1623785330 692483 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +o :int-e
< 1623785332 656479 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION yawns
< 1623785342 957763 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu MODE #esolangs +q :$a:nakilon
< 1623785346 141143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu MODE #esolangs -o :int-e
< 1623785356 946660 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :saw that comin'.
< 1623785576 702651 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FWIW I suspect we should probably just drop the whole topic, and I imagine it'll eventually stop coming up naturally. nakilon does talk a lot about actual esolangs stuff, unlike few *actual* trolls we've had over the years. (Not to say I don't think the way they're commenting isn't deliberately insulting.)
< 1623785610 729689 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :poisoned minds typically regurgitate poison.
< 1623785625 910547 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Personally I'm kind of more disturbed by the IRCCloud ban than the database wipe. Though I imagine there's some backstory behind there.
< 1623785638 759903 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, we should. But *nakilon* kept bringing up this topic.
< 1623785665 36157 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah it's not like we antagonized him.
< 1623785675 49633 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I even unignored him, thinking he cooled off.
< 1623785677 229739 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode probably isn't quite innocent because of nick changes (which are visible here even if they're probably primarily for ##freenode)
< 1623785689 151007 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: meh, I wasn't participating here in that fashion.
< 1623785708 808230 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :other than that... well, the topic does come up simply because freenode is constantly, uhm, evolving
< 1623785721 614698 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think as a reaction, mostly, though I certainly haven't fully logread.
< 1623785726 398491 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :01:52  [..] on the bright side maybe nakilon will finally admit we were right :P
< 1623785731 813145 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +o :int-e
< 1623785736 453949 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's the sort of name-dropping I imagine most people would say *something* to.
< 1623785740 8468 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu MODE #esolangs -q :$a:nakilon
< 1623785743 548954 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu MODE #esolangs -o :int-e
< 1623785744 494600 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :true. I do respond when highlighted.
< 1623785771 442885 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't actually mind the topic, but the tone and the constant insinuation that everybody is inconsistent and/or stupid is really infuriating
< 1623785795 699814 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don’t like the tone too
< 1623785830 246823 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, fair; the topic *is* kind of relevant, since that's where we were, and now we're here.
< 1623785874 878102 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And of course rasengan's recent actions do not in any way improve the outlook of freenode as a viable platform for anything really... things are constantly changing on a whim of rasengan. Maybe he's done changing things now, maybe not, noone knows.
< 1623785904 830792 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(offtopic: there was a discussion of free variables on ##math today yay)
< 1623785916 191963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So yeah... I'm happy we set up camp here early on.
< 1623785947 876622 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :the problem is you're going to get a larger set of "lee sympathizers" because 1. people enjoy being contrarians/trolling, 2. people haven't kept up with the insanity, but I don't think there's many people who will end up sympathizers after that, or 3. people actually enjoy the culture that lee is trying to bring in, which is some 4chan shit considering l0de is now staff.
< 1623785984 593441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So... hrm. Should we make it a rule to avoid the topic completely? That may be easier than striving for a civil tone.
< 1623785986 38693 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :my point is.. the useful, constructive conversation moved and left a vacuum for a lot of horrible conversation.
< 1623785999 193780 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably for the time being, yes.
< 1623786013 583886 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want it you can go to ##freenode on this network, which will let you shitpost until your eyes bleed.
< 1623786129 423847 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, before we stop talking about it completely, what's the consensus on the bridge and logs.esolangs.org, should I just call it a day and drop the new-freenode 'esowiki' bot? The nickname is now unregistered, the channel is unregistered, and even before all this latest I don't think there were more than one or two actual bridged conversations...
< 1623786150 246528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm in favor of dropping it, fwiw.
< 1623786176 302204 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :same.
< 1623786194 631044 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :it'd be one thing if there was a presence on the network, but.. everybody is here now.
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< 1623786268 301315 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, I was going to say "OTOH, there's still X users on the old-freenode #esoteric who might land in there", but looks like I *finally* got disconnected from there.
< 1623786354 294948 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :22:33:58  Yes, we should. But *nakilon* kept bringing up this topic. -- this is a lie; I opened chat in the morning and the only talk here was you guys about what happened to freenode services, I left my opinion and went to the city, and when I came back I read about myself "you fucking leave here you absolute blind fuck" and now even
< 1623786354 423433 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"small-minded freaks -- is it how the "22:34:25  yeah it's not like we antagonized him." look like or rather "you're not and never will be welcome."? and btw how doesn't  "22:29:16  saw that comin'"  look like a "intent is to troll."? must be my weak English understanding, right? lol -- it's actually you who bring the news about
< 1623786354 502830 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :rasengan again and again, I don't even follow, just read randomly onlyfrom this channel, you are the source -- I can'r "drop the topic" because you ARE purposefully create a flame here and your behaviour and personal insults  on me are placing absolutely far away from being considered any minimally worth to be respected random internet stranger
< 1623786384 29139 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: 15 nicks
< 1623786396 729186 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm being insulted and falsely accused
< 1623786400 109158 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: including hackeso
< 1623786439 478105 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, my bouncer's not managing to connect to the new thing. "tls_handshake: handshake failed: unexpected EOF"
< 1623786455 611789 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: seriously, take it to ##freenode, they'll be happy to rip you apart
< 1623786491 988125 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :serioudly go get a room with imode
< 1623786509 916500 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not his first and not even second try to create a flame about me
< 1623786625 694437 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: they have trouble with IPv6, could that be an issue?
< 1623786632 409995 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wouldn't be surprised if SSL is just like, not enabled on the new infra.
< 1623786634 445145 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :x)
< 1623786654 121028 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"let's close down the old server and replace them with untested shit"
< 1623786665 791595 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :par for the course
< 1623786680 356659 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it doesn't like my client certificate, now that it's unregistered. Though that sounds unlikely too.
< 1623786707 388334 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ten minutes earlier it was failing with "server does not support sasl" instead.
< 1623786724 991894 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Sorry, but it's really not our fault that you chose rasengan's hill to die on, on the Libera network of all places.
< 1623786725 772843 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But in the interests of fairness, this bouncer (pounce) is probably the most opinionated client there is.
< 1623786735 554461 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :he's still going lmao.
< 1623786739 92122 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: sasl not working is less of a surprise
< 1623786761 527145 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't care about rasengar or whoever, it's your drama
< 1623786765 222022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: since you won't be registered? oh maybe you are.
< 1623786774 264031 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that you are so mad about someone to not agree iwth you about
< 1623786822 168027 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"someone to not agree with you about" is not what you do
< 1623786835 800048 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you don't disagree, you insult people for making choices
< 1623786894 349198 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Oh, right, good point. Though in a perfect world the message for that would not be "does not support sasl" but something else.
< 1623786956 364003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even if the takeover was entirely legitimate, the current behavior and sheer incompetence of the people operating Freenode is terrifying.
< 1623786977 489289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :...I hit send on accident >.> didn't think I should have sent that
< 1623786989 601682 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh.
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< 1623787003 40223 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think you'll find dissenting opinions in this channel.
< 1623787013 292582 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, good excuse to see how frustrated I get trying to reconfigure things on a phone.
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< 1623787091 956135 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like if I was an admin at some company and then I disliked the CEO and left, leaving servers/software to fall apart and then say "ahaha, see? it's all broken because of you"
< 1623787136 196131 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :uhm, you do realize they could have just not changed the server software?
< 1623787137 86926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: you really can't drop it, can you?
< 1623787165 733936 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they _actively_ switched to a software which configuration they obviously did not test very well
< 1623787180 254978 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :why are you bothering to pay attention to an obvious bait.
< 1623787190 906769 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e ask those who can't drop it, not me
< 1623787191 701013 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da2:bbc8:7f24:e6f8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this conversation is starting to bother me
< 1623787241 879334 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was just respoinding to Sgeo
< 1623787318 16055 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Maybe modify your feelings?
< 1623787338 756132 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i mean, if a company can be taken down by a single sysadmin leaving, it is in fact the ceo's fault when the sysadmin leaves and it all breaks. that's how "being in charge" works
< 1623787362 559903 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a well-known risk of poor management decisions that effective leaders try to mitigate
< 1623787384 635420 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :tho i should probably drop the subject
< 1623787385 407119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :They took over channels en mass based on topic then claimed that some of those were by accident. They could have... not done that, or done better filtering, or manually reviewed, or backed up channel settings. They banned a popular web-based IRC client.
< 1623787392 791017 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't think there's anything productive to be said here
< 1623787394 880743 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :here not just one sysdaimn has left though but a half or most of staff AFAIK
< 1623787417 336196 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :minecraft time
< 1623787418 542404 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :even so
< 1623787427 660664 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and people are keeping judging what happends without any real knowledge
< 1623787495 39424 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"23:03:05  They took over channels en mass based on topic" -- this is a lie people keep repeating purposefully not saying that there was an apology and a message that that was a script error
< 1623787512 650431 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: all the staff said upfront that they will leave if andrew acts like he did. he acted so nontheless. it's his fault.
< 1623787514 619900 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I read you further, sry
< 1623787520 661958 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, afaik _all_ the staff left
< 1623787547 854368 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also also, the staff were volunteers, not full-time employees.
< 1623787574 313328 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"they will leave if andrew acts like" he acted AFTER that? that makes no sense
< 1623787575 637798 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :a script error?
< 1623787578 123083 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: But seriously, why don't you just...stop caring so much about it?
< 1623787580 625472 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it did happen
< 1623787590 22972 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if they claim there was a script error, it still happened
< 1623787597 915433 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: you do know what "upfront" means?
< 1623787605 358820 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not correct to say that it didn't happen just because they apologized for it afterwards
< 1623787642 930107 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was a malfunction of a network caused by their act of leaving and leaving it falling apart
< 1623787644 208771 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: a script "error" they didn't test well enough, server switches to ircds they didn't test well enough ...
< 1623787655 580694 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :pikhq: FWIW I think that noting that this conversation is unproductive is a positive contribution.
< 1623787676 574499 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was a a malfunction that all staffers told him upfront, yet he chose to go that path
< 1623787685 166528 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you please have this discussion in some off-topic channel and not here?
< 1623787877 602056 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I don't know, maybe my reconnects (after the SASL failures) tripped a filter of some sort, I'm getting a flat disconnect for "openssl s_client -connect ..." as well on the machine I run IRC on, but not at home. Maybe that's a sign to just give it up.
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< 1623788875 509808 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :new metroid game looks cool
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< 1623789010 932813 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why did I just get this idea that there was a game where you had like a peripheral you programmed in Befunge? A puzzle game, or maybe an adventure one... Did I just have a weird dream or something?
< 1623789078 321716 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :spacechem?
< 1623789086 583303 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: YESSSSS.
< 1623789096 609333 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did my waiting. 20 years of it.
< 1623789180 919702 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not SpaceChem, this was like a smartwatch or something that you wrote little programs for, and it wasn't the main game mechanic, just a little side thing.
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< 1623789197 678235 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it probably doesn't exist and I just made it up.
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< 1623789233 331650 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i so wish there were interesting smartwatch games
< 1623789251 273877 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :20 years :D
< 1623789260 163386 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"programming peripheral" only associate with Shenzhen for me
< 1623789285 770930 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that sounds like a neat idea for something like cogmind.
< 1623789288 692609 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is a befunge like programming game on steam, but its not liek what you're describing
< 1623789304 471327 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a web server extension for befunge? you could make a website in befunge about ebfunge
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< 1623789347 523526 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Programming_games are all games where the programming is the main "gameplay" element, not games of other genres with a programming aspect to them.
< 1623789372 842351 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there was an Apache module for Befunge?
< 1623789445 944469 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like the systems in modded minecraft
< 1623789454 844106 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not having much luck on the Googles though, so maybe I'm mixing it up with the Brainfuck one.
< 1623789456 315685 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have 3 types of tubes: power, items, fluids 
< 1623789460 390906 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.reddit.com/r/programminggames/
< 1623789461 896608 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :and blocks have 6 sides
< 1623789469 35476 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can do a lot with that
< 1623789503 329750 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, http://modbf.sourceforge.net/ is a thing but mod_bef doesn't seem to be.
< 1623789511 762851 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :does LambdaMOO count as a programming game?
< 1623789666 627385 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that game does sound familiar for some reason
< 1623789883 255407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have an entire fictional universe in my head based on LambdaMOO, where some wizard early on forced the entire universe to obey a "contact rule", unable to modify anything not in the same room as them, to stop the constant conflict. There's still conflict, with wizards who manage to get in contact with things like $room or #1 or #0 being powerful, with groups escaping the inheritance hierarchy, etc
< 1623789913 755121 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1623789934 823094 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :now _that's_ some lore I can ge behind.
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< 1623790102 319460 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: I think I'm maybe mixing a little of Fallout's Pip-Boy into this thing, but I think that's not programmable.
< 1623790112 934253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Most rooms by default do not allow teleport, but it's easy to change a room so it does. When this happens, some groups that try to scan the universe for such rooms will teleport in and tend to take over the area
< 1623790170 503197 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Usually it would happen just because someone got curious about it and hadn't heard of what happens when teleport is enabled for all. Eventually the Witch of Space (the wizard who has controlled $room for some time) set up a system to detect attempts to open rooms and warn whoever did it about the potential consequences
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< 1623790192 967116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I.. really do need to stop stealing names from other works of fiction
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< 1623790269 622191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Witch of Plagiation
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< 1623790336 681646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*rism
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< 1623790492 910130 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: Other games I might have been thinking of are Hack 'n' Slash, and Else Heart.Break().
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< 1623790762 360699 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is LambdaMOO?
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< 1623791413 82858 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are you familiar with MUSH or MUD? If so, it's an old one of those except with a prototype based object-oriented language. If not, it's basically a text based multiuser environment
< 1623791426 612447 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx
< 1623791475 377270 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can program the behavior of objects inside the moo?
< 1623791479 53437 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :like second life?
< 1623791496 240214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep
< 1623791565 353698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the programming language is iirc much more pleasant than in MUSH
< 1623791867 129086 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK
< 1623791869 713512 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is cool!
< 1623791871 527303 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is also ifMUD, which doesn't have object prototypes though. You can though set permission (although all or nothing; you can't set per group or per field or whatever) for reading, teleporting, and some others
< 1623791877 970321 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are peoplee making interesting things in it
< 1623791899 202811 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you put two objects together and they pass data between each other
< 1623791941 354898 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, I've sort of always assumed (for no particular reason) the "lambda" in the name has some relationship to lambda calculus, but I guess it doesn't.
< 1623792015 735118 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wonder how it implements programming languages
< 1623792028 342456 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :> It is the oldest MOO today
< 1623792030 15139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : error:
< 1623792030 15263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :     • Data constructor not in scope:
< 1623792030 15314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :         It :: t0 -> t1 -> t2 -> t3 -> t4 -> t
< 1623792047 802697 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am #20071 on ifMUD
< 1623792054 103711 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does that mean?
< 1623792056 241268 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i heard hellmoo is fun
< 1623792087 797733 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it better to use telnet or a mud client?
< 1623792116 66326 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You could use either
< 1623792134 458996 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, telnet
< 1623792138 450552 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :telnet lambda.moo.mud.org 8888
< 1623792220 766523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Every time I read about LambdaMOO, I have to change my story to match its programming better. When I learned how #0 allows overriding builtin functions, that makes... implementing the contact rule too easy. I had it basically be a massive rootkit that ended up with a few holes, but implementation via #0 is too thorough
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< 1623792534 594334 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :what?
< 1623792542 941770 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do I use an item that I have?
< 1623792571 934172 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :did you break lambdamoo using #0
< 1623792573 279512 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :?
< 1623792713 612951 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_in_Cyberspace Mr. Bungle, who leveraged a "voodoo doll" subprogram that allowed him to make actions that were falsely attributed to other characters in the virtual community
< 1623792804 901991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm referring to the fictional world in my head loosely based on a universe similar to MOO software
< 1623792832 23009 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow!
< 1623792850 907764 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want to know more about that
< 1623792865 523428 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i've stopped playing lambdamoo https://bpa.st/GWBQ
< 1623792872 495801 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :his frustrated me
< 1623792948 590291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Try @examine
< 1623792965 734832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :@ means more of a meta command, without means more of a roleplay command
< 1623792972 719861 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :approximately
< 1623792973 550851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :iirc
< 1623793016 772341 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks
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< 1623793027 191015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :    is the general format of commands
< 1623793039 986581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :err preposition not pronoun
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< 1623794247 70368 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a book 'My Tiny Life.' about the LambdaMOO incident, and the MOO community generally. It's good from memory. (I have a copy somewhere)
< 1623794263 875800 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this log looks like ai dungeon
< 1623795186 809897 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The book is broader in scope than that one incident and article. I recommend it to anyone interested in early online networked communities and crossovers to RL. It covers positive and negative aspects, and is notable as an early document of that sort of community. And LambdaMOO was a neat thing.
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< 1623795344 811136 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx, !
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> 1623800160 966782 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Klat gnalosE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84566&oldid=84560 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+66) 10/* Examples: */ Xats,
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< 1623818196 743510 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :didn't find any edible mushrooms
< 1623818200 672318 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I had a great time
< 1623818213 828966 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we saw bears!!
< 1623818232 582938 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :mama and two cubs
< 1623818240 76039 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :drove by them on the way in
< 1623818259 527148 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :cubs immediately climbed trees and they all stared at us until we moved on
< 1623818303 51190 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :also a deer walked right through camp, i didn't see it as I was half asleep but I heard what in retrospect must have been it, and found a pile of fresh deer poop right by my tent
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> 1623818446 534167 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84568&oldid=80569 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1108) 10update some links so I can find things easier
< 1623818699 315336 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: wow! sounds like a lovely trip :)
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> 1623830281 247013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lambda: the Gathering14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84569&oldid=39185 5* 03B jonas 5* (+31) 10
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> 1623830819 49064 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/Braneflage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84570&oldid=83943 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+2) 10/* Program Commands */
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< 1623830891 70520 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi TOPIC #esolangs :Welcome to the liberated church of esoteric programming proselytization, propagation, and pronunciation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://logs.esolangs.org/
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> 1623830997 582293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84571&oldid=83835 5* 03Fizzie 5* (-263) 10/* IRC */ Remove the part about the bridge.
< 1623831031 782030 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the bridge has now been burnt to ashes
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< 1623831141 652782 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It doesn't have the other endpoint now, so.
< 1623831162 710877 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you want to bridge #esolangs somewhere else, let me know, I've got the code all ready to go though. ;)
< 1623831220 820550 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(But it'd still have to be an IRC network, so probably that's not too useful.)
< 1623831583 327053 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs immibis :realname
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< 1623832329 777245 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: for your question, yes, it's OK if you stop the bridge now
< 1623832574 236536 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We could set up a bridge with #esoteric on DALNet and confuse everybody involed
< 1623832646 955094 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23esoteric&net=DALnet suggests it's not exactly active.
< 1623832714 196135 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's an #esoteric on IRCnet, though, with the topic of "www.mathematicon.com www.sacred-texts.com armageddonconspiracy.co.uk |Welcome to Universal Light Society!|Join us on EFnet; we'll relay w/IRCnet later.| !help" which sounds more promising.
< 1623832750 975295 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The alleged EFnet one didn't come up in the search.)
< 1623832770 718167 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we could set up a bridge from #esoteric whichever tree of freenode canaima lands on to the actual canaima support channel
< 1623832805 227698 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would also confuse everyone if they went there to talk about esolangs
< 1623832845 193209 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? canaima
< 1623832848 34902 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're here.
< 1623832879 223132 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` sed "s/re here/re there/" /hackenv/wisdom/canaima
< 1623832880 344721 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're there.
< 1623832885 798256 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` sed -i "s/re here/re there/" /hackenv/wisdom/canaima
< 1623832888 767322 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/wisdom/canaima//Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're there.
< 1623832927 994662 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also came across https://zem.fi/tmp/hmm.jpg on wall while on a walk yesterday, does that count as esoteric ("confined to and understandable by only an enlightened inner circle")? 
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> 1623837700 796606 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Matthilde 5*  10New user account
> 1623837862 673978 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84572&oldid=84564 5* 03Matthilde 5* (+160) 10/* Introductions */
> 1623838562 534995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Matthilde14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84573 5* 03Matthilde 5* (+1130) 10created page
< 1623840853 577681 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://twitter.com/dave_universetf/status/1402743978483585026 completely missed that one
< 1623840954 845189 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I'm really glad I dropped my freenode account when I did
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< 1623842679 195038 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, right, HackEso config needs updating too.
< 1623843349 282066 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Technically not to a degree a restart is needed, but let's just do one anyway, to make sure it still works afterwards.
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< 1623843372 153455 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`ping
< 1623843373 721580 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :pong
< 1623843377 904560 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good enough.
< 1623844269 426547 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are they chanting "iä! iä! cthulhu fhtagn!" at the primary school outside? I think I probably just misheard.
< 1623845919 398570 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's certainly possible
< 1623845936 862104 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like you really can't drop the topic
< 1623846174 343762 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :feels good to come only to flame and accuse others in it?
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< 1623846526 951800 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`env
< 1623846527 815416 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :PATH=/hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ TERM=linux \ HOME=/tmp \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ IRC_NICK=wib_jonas \ IRC_IDENT=~wib_jonas \ IRC_HOST=business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu \ IRC_COMMAND=PRIVMSG \ IRC_TARGET=#esolangs \ IRC_MESSAGE=`env \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8
< 1623846558 863151 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: if you mess around with HackEso's config, I know it's stupid future compatibility, but can you add a variable with the IRC network name?
< 1623846592 298658 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: is that sensible when it could be bridged between multiple networks?
< 1623846673 482706 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: the replies are bridged but it only listens to commands locally, not to bridged commands. this it's the sort of thing that would have made slightly more sense months ago though, now it will hopefully just be a constant libera.chat, though of course $HACKENV is a "constant" and the nickname "HackEso" is a "constant" too
< 1623846711 339561 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eh, fair enough
< 1623846737 569813 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean someone even mentioned that they might want to run a HackEso instance
< 1623846750 313246 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as an esoteric experiment or something
< 1623846821 159511 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if there's multiple instances, they can be distinguished by something on the file system, but for the config that HackEso had for a short period when it was connected to two networks, that's ... still possible obviously, but less natural
> 1623846849 848164 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Godencode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84574&oldid=84567 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-6) 10/* == */ Rm bad header
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> 1623847909 812853 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AceKiron14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84575&oldid=84565 5* 03AceKiron 5* (-64) 10
> 1623849191 302512 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84576 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+925) 10Created page with "School is an [[esoteric programming language]] developed by [[User:AceKiron]]. It's designed to be hard to understand, just like school.  The interpreter is written in Python..."
> 1623849442 278957 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84577&oldid=84518 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+13) 10
> 1623849543 777485 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funcinton14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84578 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+3195) 10created
> 1623849567 218792 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Monochromeninja14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84579&oldid=83975 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+46) 10
> 1623849790 870967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84580&oldid=84576 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10Categories/stub
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> 1623850031 365160 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:School14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84581 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+0) 10Created blank page
< 1623850076 671078 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, right. I could. I did keep some other bits of the setup to make it easier in the future to run a second instance, anyway.
< 1623850228 519877 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although there's still that one bit that made the replies go to the wrong network initially, namely that the socket used by multibot internally is hardcoded to be /tmp/multibot.%s, where the %s is the nickname, but both instances had `HackEso` for a nick.
> 1623850363 984962 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84582&oldid=84580 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+46) 10
> 1623850427 54375 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funcinton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84583&oldid=84578 5* 03Monochromeninja 5* (+6) 10/* External resources */ Updated reference interpreter
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< 1623851640 529468 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, a hardcoded name under /tmp ? isn't that a bad idea, because usually anyone can create files in /tmp so you can't reserve any specific name unless you never remove it?
< 1623851691 475619 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought if you want a specific name, you use a directory that not everyone can write\
< 1623851721 687165 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :whereas if you want /tmp , you allow a dynamically generated name that you remember somehow
< 1623851739 596366 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's probably a bad idea, yeah, but that's how multibot is. I don't think it's a huge deal for this particular use case. It will just fail to start if it's unable to bind the socket.
< 1623851753 371419 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And the file's pretty much permanent.)
< 1623851787 153013 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok.
> 1623852101 995851 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fohc14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84584 5* 03Matthilde 5* (+7146) 10Created Fohc page
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< 1623852194 442350 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo $IRC_INSTANCE / $IRC_NETWORK
< 1623852195 591669 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :HackEso-libera / Libera.Chat
< 1623852239 43000 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :One's just an arbitrary "internal" identifier, the other is the network name from the 005 numeric (with a default supplied on startup).
< 1623852302 142878 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`env
< 1623852305 487537 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :PATH=/hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ TERM=linux \ HOME=/tmp \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ IRC_INSTANCE=HackEso-libera \ IRC_NETWORK=Libera.Chat \ IRC_NICK=wib_jonas \ IRC_IDENT=~wib_jonas \ IRC_HOST=business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu \ IRC_COMMAND=PRIVMSG \ IRC_TARGET=#esolangs \ IRC_MESSAGE=`env \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8
< 1623852316 720239 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: nice
< 1623852339 377460 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank you
< 1623852389 189786 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I might use this to fuzz with /hackenv/bin/coins a bit because libera still is a name that sounds like a cryptocurrency
< 1623852458 840710 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It does. Also, I don't know why there's a rainwords integrated in `coins, I've wondered about the same. Maybe it's to make the names stand out from each other a little more than just a space would (but that argument would apply to all `words-derived things).
< 1623852536 436111 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I want to remove rainwords
> 1623852640 611482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fohc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84585&oldid=84584 5* 03Matthilde 5* (+12) 10
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> 1623855373 664367 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Majorcob 5*  10New user account
> 1623855845 310991 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84586&oldid=84572 5* 03Majorcob 5* (+208) 10
> 1623855896 778050 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shuffle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84587&oldid=84313 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+6364) 10Add Rule 110 implementation
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> 1623856337 594366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84588&oldid=84582 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+810) 10
> 1623856440 544729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AceKiron14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84589&oldid=84575 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+20) 10
> 1623857555 386510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84590&oldid=84588 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+222) 10
> 1623857570 239023 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84591&oldid=84590 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+1) 10
> 1623857676 445332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Majorcob14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84592 5* 03Majorcob 5* (+2613) 10Created page with "Hi, i'm cob and i kinda just find random languages on here and decide to mess around with them. :) They're listed here in chronological order of interest.  ==[[DerpText]]==  T..."
> 1623857991 88924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Among Us14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84593&oldid=84461 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (-144) 10
> 1623858138 226426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84594&oldid=84402 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (-92) 10
> 1623858473 502526 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Majorcob14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84595&oldid=84592 5* 03Majorcob 5* (+187) 10
> 1623858764 441744 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84596&oldid=84591 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+146) 10
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> 1623859293 478108 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DerpText14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84597&oldid=63884 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+102) 10/* Examples */ Link to Majorcob's interpreter
> 1623859607 702312 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Klat gnalosE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84598&oldid=84566 5* 03ResU 5* (+1) 10typo
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> 1623859910 820359 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Klat gnalosE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84599&oldid=84598 5* 03ResU 5* (+34) 10
> 1623860139 734479 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Among Us14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84600&oldid=84593 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+238) 10
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> 1623860846 931904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fohc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84602&oldid=84585 5* 03Matthilde 5* (-16) 10/* Fohc */
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> 1623862566 828137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84603&oldid=84586 5* 03.yazic 5* (+175) 10
> 1623862603 485255 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XO Mchne14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84604&oldid=82157 5* 03.yazic 5* (-6) 10/* NOT b */
> 1623862644 743730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XO Mchne14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84605&oldid=84604 5* 03.yazic 5* (-2) 10/* b */
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> 1623868674 855031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Godencode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84606&oldid=84574 5* 03Plasmath 5* (+7994) 10Added multiplication program.
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> 1623873192 339543 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84607&oldid=84596 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+1874) 10
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< 1623874354 712331 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :17:06:29  I might use this to fuzz with /hackenv/bin/coins
< 1623874361 669675 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I read as /bit/coins
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< 1623874648 932353 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :`coins
< 1623874655 151980 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​02strecoin 06bakecoin 13netcoin 04excitocoin 07sepercoin 08:coin 09erlietcoin 02bonymcoin 06hydrodcoin 13staclecoin 04rancoin 07ortecoin 08braiulcoin 09dimacoin 02d1secoin 06xxpcoin 13impovabllacklecoin 04quartreecoin 07tlwnncoin 08sowthcoin
< 1623874662 708052 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think it's rainbow because i made it and i like rainbows
< 1623874668 711513 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i'm not sure
< 1623874672 494884 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it sounds like the kind of thing i would do
< 1623874867 234634 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It just keeps generating plausible names (bakecoin, netcoin, excitocoin, :coin, dimacoin, xxpcoin -- I'd believe all of those).
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< 1623875017 277331 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although maybe if :coin is pronounced "colon-coin" it's not the best of names.
< 1623875043 210004 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :keecoin
< 1623875574 931914 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was going to say bakecoin you either buy baked goods with, or it's a weed reference, but apparently it's in fact "A Decentralized AMM Protocol on Binance Smart Chain with Liquidity Mining", according to https://research.binance.com/en/projects/bakerytoken
< 1623875580 588656 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Okay, it's not literally called "bakecoin", but the abbreviation is still BAKE.)
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< 1623879218 160769 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :[https://kiwiirc.com] salpynx
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< 1623883270 663592 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, I came across the "standby" page I set up for esolangs.org back when we were hosted on Cloud-at-Cost and it was flaking out.
< 1623883282 798876 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"However, I am certain the service provider is doing everything they possibly can to restore service in a timely manner."
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> 1623884793 573495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84608&oldid=84577 5* 03Sawcce 5* (+12) 10/* T */
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< 1623885781 623732 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ciao guys
< 1623885816 510798 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :is anyone here?
< 1623885861 18875 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just wanted to ask a couple of questions about the esolang wiki
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< 1623886255 399237 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: Folks are here; you should probably just ask.
< 1623886261 870972 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What questions?
< 1623886265 549192 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :ciao!
< 1623886323 922549 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am working since 2017 to some sort of esoteric language, I was wondering if this is not off topic 
< 1623886386 482972 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also if could have been interesting for the esolang community
< 1623886391 21651 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What sort of esoteric language?
< 1623886405 67616 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :no will to spam, just looking for people passionate to this stuff as I am
< 1623886407 309791 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/gioblu/BIPLAN
> 1623886432 816532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Klat gnalosE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84609&oldid=84599 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10Typo
< 1623886460 336965 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the implementation works well on linux, there is its compiler and interpreter ready
< 1623886464 919065 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be tested
> 1623886522 730490 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84610&oldid=84607 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10No longer stub
< 1623886572 717727 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, I have tested them, they build fine and are ready to use, at least on the machine I have tested on.
< 1623886597 869997 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs joast :purple
< 1623886605 921003 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK I will look
< 1623886687 23583 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the point, is enough esoteric? it does not look as esoteric as many I can look on esolangs wiki
< 1623886689 522671 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs ::)
< 1623886717 13775 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have a document of the format of the compiled P-codes?
< 1623886749 736024 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tend to try to write very slick code and keep in there my spec 
< 1623886769 763818 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :here is the spec of the byte codes https://github.com/gioblu/BIPLAN/blob/master/src/BIPLAN_Defines.h
< 1623886818 937312 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK thanks
> 1623886846 95220 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XENBLN/Commands14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84611&oldid=81818 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+109) 10Update
< 1623886889 324730 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It doesn't really explain it though; it only list of the codes
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< 1623886986 829114 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :excuse my ignorance, what you mean exactly
< 1623886990 844917 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :?
> 1623887037 508295 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XENBLN/Commands14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84612&oldid=84611 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-80) 10Switch to groups
< 1623887078 80692 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the interpreter is very simple: https://github.com/gioblu/BIPLAN/blob/master/src/BIPLAN.c is just a recursive descent parser reading ASCII bytecode
< 1623887224 961374 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I discover only now that p-code is the right way to call what I defined as byte-code, thank you.
< 1623887229 923657 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, I can see it
< 1623887287 484191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it does not seem esoteric to me
< 1623887302 647081 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was my doubt yes
< 1623887334 836623 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the p-code itself may look so but not sure if it so
< 1623887353 859100 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :*it is so
< 1623887419 638582 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It just doesn't look to be very well designed to me, I think
< 1623887549 226557 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is difficult to find people happy to discuss this stuff nowadays, I would be very happy to hear what are the mistakes you see in it
< 1623887584 640950 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :by the way, I do not have a degree in compsci, just hacking around to learn
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< 1623887693 932714 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For one thing, it exposes all of the functions; you should put "static" for the functions that should not be exposed. Another thing is that this is not really the best way to parse P-codes, nor the best way to compile source codes into P-codes
< 1623887763 233128 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, sure, static is missing I will fix it as you suggested
< 1623887811 451377 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean the recursive descent parser itself is inefficient? or the way I implemented it?
> 1623887830 14377 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XENBLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84613&oldid=81820 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10There are two number groups now
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> 1623887926 505636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XENBLN/Commands14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84614&oldid=84612 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-89) 10Fix numeral, remove outdated command
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< 1623888040 388742 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :very simple benchmark show that BIPLAN seems around 3 times slower than python, considering BIPLAN much simpler, it must be less efficient.
< 1623888075 154825 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean that this is not a very good way to design P-code format, since that makes it less efficient. You can design it to be simple and more efficient, but not needing parsing; do the parsing at compile time
< 1623888079 916465 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :although a month ago was 9 times slower than python :)
< 1623888123 957023 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did not consider that, you are right, I could make some of the work at compile time
> 1623888177 762730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tower14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84615&oldid=84278 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+67) 10/* Examples */ Categories
< 1623888220 816264 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I probably reached a point in which the implementation is more optimized than the p-code format, yes
< 1623888252 429688 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have done P-code stuff (such as Free Hero Mesh and ZZ Zero)
< 1623888317 385348 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :very intriguing stuff, I am really enjoying this experiment
< 1623888335 629054 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :Free Hero Mesh looks really cool
< 1623888438 301461 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why you have used big numbers for the P-codes?
< 1623888485 625681 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean why you avoid most values between 10 and 32768
> 1623888543 249259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/n-Genus Graph Embedding14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84616 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+4585) 10trying to test for n-genus embedding in source code, like wire-crossing problem. Experimental idea.
< 1623888558 759296 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :They aren't avoided; they are used for constants and stuff. I suppose you are looking at instruc.h
< 1623888572 458632 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1623888605 588041 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I will read it don't want to waste your time explaining something I can undestand 
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< 1623888650 127275 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :See internals.doc for the list of opcode ranges that are used
< 1623888673 962926 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank you 
< 1623888735 646406 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, opcode 0x4001 pushes class 1 to the stack, and opcode 0x0200 pushes the INIT message to the stack.
< 1623888779 116456 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the big difference is that I do not have a stack, this for sure
< 1623888908 335957 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you think the gain in portability and simplicity of tooling obtained by an ASCII p-code values the performance loss? 
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< 1623888950 441217 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is very handy to have the program as a string, it can be easily transmitted whatever is the medium, potentially even via SMS
> 1623888954 562866 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/n-Genus Graph Embedding14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84617&oldid=84616 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+0) 10/* Desargues graph */  typ0
< 1623888966 498081 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It depends on the application, probably. Sometimes it is useful, other times not
< 1623889000 597954 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is not the first project in which I apply this pattern, which is probably as old as programming languages:
< 1623889022 576476 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/gioblu/BIPLAN/tree/master/src/interfaces
< 1623889036 901882 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have interfaces which abstract system calls, the thing can easily run more or less everywhere
< 1623889048 416403 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :Arduino Mega -> Linux
< 1623889049 126417 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Using a stack makes it easier to parse and makes it unnecessary to deal with precedence, too
< 1623889092 503856 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the usecase is fit a simple VM I can understand in a very limited machine
< 1623889111 41894 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :and have the chance to inspect it / run it everywhere I need
< 1623889167 768585 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, although it is still possible to improve it in many ways, although other than that it does seem a good idea for what you seem to be trying to do.
< 1623889189 280624 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD2hqngGI6U&feature=emb_title
< 1623889191 474695 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :check this out
< 1623889227 264211 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can be re-programmed using the arduino toolchain, I could fit in there a more modern language than tinybasic and write my own applications directly in there
< 1623889254 240365 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I built some arduino BASIC computers, very cool, but the language sucks
< 1623889288 43442 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the arduino boards need a very slick impl, even micropython does not fit 
< 1623889316 63806 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I wrote BIPLAN
< 1623889382 702171 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would be very happy to improve it, if you have any idea and will to share it I would be happy to try to implement them
< 1623889652 721130 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Having separate instruction for print character, print string, and print number, also would be better I think, than using such things as "print index"
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< 1623889826 210940 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Forth is another alternative to BASIC
< 1623889837 558418 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :true, print does not look nice, specially because I have to carry the information of the type 
< 1623889850 78079 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :from the bottom of the parser
< 1623889883 167775 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, for sure better than BASIC, although I cannot work productively with that 
< 1623889930 239840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? forth
< 1623889932 232220 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since Biblical times, Forth has been the go-to language for multiplication.
< 1623889968 729718 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, although it for sure looks intriguing
< 1623889997 346348 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehehe
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< 1623890051 847586 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I really miss a computer that does not need minutes to boot, and additional stuff to be able to be used for general purpose computation
< 1623890196 995619 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the smart response, being arduino compatible is for sure a good base, with a language like BIPLAN a lot of stuff could be done, the code editor itself could be written in BIPLAN
< 1623890258 205188 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I will see what happens having dedicated p-codes for the print function, thank you
< 1623890524 961792 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree about missing a computer that does not need minutes to boot and that stuff. I also had idea of new computer system, that has BIOS and Forth in ROM, so it can just load right away and does not need a separate operating system
< 1623890577 541226 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could do that with the smart response if you have familiarity with the arduino toolchain
< 1623890621 464853 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :for sure is a limited machine, but that is portable and very nice :)
< 1623890724 285868 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I enjoy coding since the 2000s but I still see forth a little scary, although I have probably never jumped into it or had the necessity to use it. 
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< 1623893274 920602 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :forth is neat. needs more abstractions.
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< 1623894438 8028 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moon
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< 1623896713 666570 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :forth is pretty clever, but it's not really done as a language for big systems. it's done as one that works decently _while being small)
< 1623896810 583795 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :one wonders what scaling that up might look like.
< 1623896877 993537 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, think "clojure, but for forth".
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< 1623897221 765795 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :FORTH is my favorite choice for small embedded systems
< 1623897222 485299 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :like
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< 1623897236 222948 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :my Propeller 2 has a FORTH in about ~12KiB of it's 16KiB ROM and it's pretty much full featured
< 1623897328 662148 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :in all my workings with concatenative languages, the split between "you're just using a stack machine" and "this is a lisp using reverse polish notation" gets wider and weirder the more you look around.
< 1623897353 596408 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Forth you've got a pretty explicit memory model.
< 1623897357 645481 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :in PostScript you don't.
< 1623897363 245413 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :(afaiui)
< 1623897382 657526 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you can build things out of lists/quotations in PostScript.
< 1623897394 263517 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have to decide how to build things using Forth.
< 1623897405 325760 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :does PostScript have stuff like Forth's "immediate words"?
< 1623897440 250751 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e can I fit an "infix expression parser" into PostScript and use it as a DSL, I wonder.
< 1623897481 676306 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just want a categorical concatenative language. No variables or stack effects, just composition.
< 1623897509 204301 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :you kinda need stack effects to do any kind of expression reordering.
< 1623897561 814182 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It can be done with algebra alone. Also, maybe expressions aren't a good unit of code; I want arrows/morphisms instead.
< 1623897561 955146 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess.. what do you mean by "stack effects".
< 1623897607 94281 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you have maybe some sample of how that'd differ from an existing concatenative language? or what it'd look like syntactically and behave like semantically?
< 1623897621 602614 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :"categorical concatenative language" doesn't really conjure many concrete feelings for me.
< 1623897629 800304 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. the typical Forth has `dup`, which copies the top of stack and pushes that copy. Meanwhile, the typical Cartesian closed category has `dup : A -> (A, A)` which takes a value and returns a pair of that value, duplicated.
< 1623897699 54079 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, you'd then need to add things to destructure those pairs.
< 1623897725 920398 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :`dup first` would be equivalent to the stack effect, I guess. how do you deal with expressions that deal with multiple items at a time.
< 1623897727 241969 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :dup? No such file or directory
< 1623897730 992665 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry hackeso.
< 1623897735 131587 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. Here's an example abomination syntax: https://bpa.st/4EXQ
< 1623897761 290386 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Currying and uncurrying is the standard answer.
< 1623897761 374715 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand any of that.
< 1623897779 311097 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you de-jargon that.
< 1623897900 265007 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you have a function that's applied like f(x, y) then there's an altered version f' which is called like f'(x)(y). We say that f' is the "curried" form of f, or that f is the "uncurried" form of f'.
< 1623897921 683529 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is the standard way that Cartesian closed categories deal with multiple arguments simultaneously.
< 1623897952 945291 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, I get what currying is. 
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< 1623897980 569133 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :you still... need a stack, though.
< 1623897999 869959 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Surely to be a "curried" form it should include some cumin, turmeric, etc.?
< 1623898001 313832 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, by definition. you need to hold at least two items: the "structure" you want to work on and the operand.
< 1623898061 233337 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's just a pair. There's an arrow ([X, Y], X) -> Y for evaluation.
< 1623898100 293380 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :that.. doesn't really address my concern, though.
< 1623898105 839838 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are you "evaluating" this.
< 1623898111 76508 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The concatenative language need not mirror the opcodes of a low-level stack machine. That's mixing language design with runtime design.
< 1623898137 762938 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I dunno, I was going to throw it all into RPython and generate a JIT. I'm pretty lazy.
< 1623898150 881579 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :that I'll agree with, but "stack operations" map prety well to the very high-level requirements of "re-ordering data".
< 1623898171 152120 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :you need to be able to duplicate, erase, and re-order things.
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< 1623898183 639695 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you need to be able to handle multiple of those things at once, so where are you storing your "data".
< 1623898188 509840 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I don't understand the split of "you're just using a stack machine" and "this is a Lisp using RPN"; a categorical arrow is neither.
< 1623898238 986135 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the difference between "I'm manipulating a linked list and blocks of memory" and "I'm manipulating abstract lists of symbols using a small base of primitives".
< 1623898241 656559 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :All of the immediate parallelism is done with pairs. This is the "monoidal" approach. It is a little silly and reductive at first, but it does work.
< 1623898257 452048 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :parallelism?
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< 1623898287 557512 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, multiple things at once.
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< 1623898312 854151 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, humor me for a second.
< 1623898328 31224 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is the equivalent of, say, 1 2 + 3 4 + * in your language.
< 1623898368 481663 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :and something like `dup *`, or the quadratic formula.
< 1623898395 600153 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :the last one usually strains people.
< 1623898411 653900 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It could be as simple as `*(+(1, 2), +(3, 4))`. They're applicative trees.
< 1623898424 607215 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :so.. you're talking about a lisp, then.
< 1623898438 784123 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe? I thought that Lisps usually had names and lambdas.
< 1623898446 103659 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's not really concatenative, the syntax doesn't form a monoid.
< 1623898447 988934 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm kind of sick of both of those things.
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< 1623898455 699279 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah you and me both.
< 1623898493 103464 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :All categories form monoids under composition. My example syntax (both here and in the abomination writeup) goes from left to right. If I write `fg`, imagine it as `comp(f, g)`.
< 1623898531 153253 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you write that in a manner that doesn't involve explicit bracketed delimiters.
< 1623898603 561742 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :the point of a concatenative language is that you can stitch arbitrary program fragments together.
< 1623898614 205870 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :and slice them apart at any point.
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< 1623898744 537842 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Stitch, yes; slice, no. Indeed I know of no Forth or concatenative language with the second property.
< 1623898756 558810 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :well y'do now. :P
< 1623898761 300521 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :mine.
< 1623898785 375418 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :How do you handle quotations? Definitions?
< 1623898794 838056 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :defining them via composition and quotation.
< 1623898803 451600 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :one sec, I can go into this more after a dog walk.
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< 1623899822 314693 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Culex looks interesting, and the formalism is nice to have. If there was an interpreter I'd play with it to make sure I understood it. The S and K definitions make sense (but the visible backticks  in that view are distracting and breaking my concentration :)
< 1623900141 354159 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not good, IMO. I have been frustrated the past few weeks by the fact that the last language that wanted to be categorical without names was Hagino's Categorical Programming Language.
< 1623900227 2110 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm so tired of syntax. I hate typing. I don't understand why I have to write out the same programs that we've been writing for decades, but in Yet Another New Syntax every time.
< 1623900294 548988 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :back.
< 1623900300 440677 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: you'd looooooove Feather.
< 1623900327 380883 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :lemme show you some samples! that don't work because I'm an idiot and made a destructive change to the interpreter (that salpynx is helping me unwind), but used to work.
< 1623900370 309399 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://bpa.st/ASOQ
< 1623900469 121208 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nifty. Not sure if I believe the slicing property, but I can see how it's approached.
< 1623900488 58114 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :the brackets are simply pieces of code.
< 1623900499 291547 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :rather, "words" in forth parlance.
< 1623900522 81413 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :[ pushes a delimiter, ] composes everything until it hits that delimiter.
< 1623900522 334516 :j-bot!~jbot@2a02:e00:ffec:76e::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: |spelling error
< 1623900522 372741 :j-bot!~jbot@2a02:e00:ffec:76e::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: |   pushes a delimiter, ] composes everything until it hits that delimiter.
< 1623900522 372792 :j-bot!~jbot@2a02:e00:ffec:76e::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: |                                                                ^
< 1623900526 418746 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry j-bot.
< 1623900565 744429 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :every piece of syntax in that file can be sliced apart to yield a valid program.
< 1623900618 513108 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :the primitives are thin: dup swap drop left right compose quote apply !
< 1623900642 539048 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :you build quotations (without any prior definitions) via compose and quote.
< 1623900676 569276 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :How's that first line work then? Doesn't it have `.` and `define` as primitives? Do tokens change behavior depending on context?
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< 1623900699 87867 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :"define" is a primitive. "." is defined as a shorthand for "compose".
< 1623900721 88352 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :"define"s effect is simply "take a thing, and a symbol, and put it in the global environment".
< 1623900731 994883 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just some shorthand.
< 1623900798 522470 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see, cool. Hope you get your interpreter working again.
< 1623900810 246046 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :will post it if I do.
< 1623900815 48584 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's neat to see it in action.
< 1623900849 867902 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, just typing out 'if' in this case will plop a giant set of quotations onto the "stack".
< 1623900881 304150 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :that can be terminated by a "then", and actually does checks for valid syntax.
< 1623900908 630379 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :the if ... then ... else ... end syntax is defined on lines 161 through 194 of that file.
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< 1623901446 246157 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are you able to set up the log on the IRC channel I have set up for my projects too now (in a different directory, but with the same raw logs formats)?
< 1623901524 335793 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I forgot who it was, but whoever it is if they agree to set it up I will grant the +t permission for them)
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> 1623904404 332457 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/n-Genus Graph Embedding14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84618&oldid=84617 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+0) 10/* Specific embeddings to demonstrate genus */ the other English
< 1623904589 718876 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: PostScript doesn't have something like Forth's "immediate words", although it does have that you can write // to immediately replace a name by what it refers to rather than waiting for being executed
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< 1623904701 25009 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, procedures are just executable arrays and can be manipulated like any other arrays, so you can do what you want with them
< 1623904784 305503 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair.
< 1623905255 448451 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can probably use it as a DSL.
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> 1623929347 198713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84629 5* 03Grs 5* (+480) 10Created page with "- is a joke esoteric programming language by ~~~. The language will deny everything the programmer tells it to do, except... == Command == {| class="wikitable" |+ Command |- !..."
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< 1623932778 342422 :jedb!~jedb@89.38.225.44 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: have you ever heard of Joy?
< 1623932839 559789 :jedb!~jedb@89.38.225.44 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION makes a note to ask imode too when he gets back online
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> 1623933336 282769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84633&oldid=84629 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+241) 10/* Implementation (there is none yet) */ Implement cats
< 1623933426 345348 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, apparently in-order delivery of messages is still a hard problem: https://zem.fi/tmp/order.png
< 1623933427 752484 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. Also Cat and Kitten. Cool ideas for sure.
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< 1623933955 895368 :jedb!~jedb@89.38.225.44 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just wanted to ask because that immediately comes to mind when you see some people talking about the gap between Forth and Lisp
< 1623935825 167051 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm logreading. sorry, but "I am working since 2017 to some sort of esoteric language, I was wondering if this is not off topic" makes me laugh
< 1623935854 805097 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the topic now says "esoteric programming proselytization, propagation, and pronunciation" so it's not that obvious
< 1623935947 442724 :jedb!~jedb@89.38.225.44 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION tends to be more interested in obscure research languages rather than outright esoterica
< 1623935978 621096 :jedb!~jedb@89.38.225.44 PRIVMSG #esolangs :except for TURKEY BOMB
< 1623935983 304495 :jedb!~jedb@89.38.225.44 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that one will always remain my favourite
< 1623936410 506736 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, Guest86 who is working on https://github.com/gioblu/BIPLAN : yes, this is on topic enough on this channel that you can definitely ask about it on this channel. \
< 1623936507 506719 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't care too much about programming on devices with little RAM, but from what I understand there's a distinction that you have to make here. BASIC and Forth was used on old personal computers (and later programmable calculators) for when you want to write the program directly on that device, you don't have a different computer with more RAM to
< 1623936508 5670 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :compile on. they make more sense for that, though even then some parts of BASIC are outdated. 
< 1623936552 417763 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you seem to want a language that you compile to a bytecode on a separate computer with more RAM. that's a good thing, and it makes sense that you want something better than BASIC for that. 
< 1623936630 954324 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in such a language, you can afford real named local variables, long identifiers for every label, subroutine, variable, since the names don't end up in the RAM, a structured syntax that is parsed on the computer and possibly some jumps turned to jumps with byte offsets embedded in the byte code, etc. 
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< 1623936651 728424 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what existing tools are available for this, again because I don't work on such computers, and everything has a lot of RAM these days. 
< 1623936695 79568 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :which computers?
< 1623936699 31132 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just have the one complaint that "I really miss a computer that does not need minutes to boot" is an unfair comment if you are compiling the code on a separate computer. how quickly can you boot and transfer the compiled program to your small device?
< 1623936721 705723 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: on the computers with 16K or 64K RAM, the ones you want to target here. I don't work on those.
< 1623936802 506927 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, except for the part where I would still like to find out how the heck Game Boy games implement animated tiles, because from what I know the hardware isn't capable of that, e.g. is there special address translation logic for it on the cart or something, but so far I haven't found the right person to ask this.
< 1623936867 353282 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas I do not compile the program on a separate computer, the whole point of BIPLAN is to have a virtual machine able to run in small computers, that uses a modern programming language
< 1623936884 524159 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have written a few programs on a BASIC-programmable calculator with exactly 2K RAM, but that was like 20 years ago.
< 1623936889 879242 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :both compiler and interpreter can fit in the same arduino micrococontroller
< 1623936910 987651 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: oh? the compiler is on the arduino and you enter the source code form there? ok, then I want to see the details
< 1623936917 979346 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs ::)
< 1623936938 90682 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :you saw the video I linked?
< 1623936953 746453 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd prefer to read than to watch video, but I might look at it later
< 1623936964 915772 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD2hqngGI6U
< 1623936975 584361 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is my preferable target, with the addition of networking
< 1623937011 139591 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :BIPLAN runs also on linux because I did it to be portable, development would have been a real PITA on the arduino 
< 1623937054 520329 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also runs on linux => sure, you can port it to a computer with much more RAM
< 1623937063 541057 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :see also what rob kai does with simple arduino boards and tinybasic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C66ceBc0ne8
< 1623937095 993667 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine that thing running BIPLAN, which by far more modern, with a simple editor like nano 
< 1623937126 299945 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that "SMART Response XE" calculator, how much RAM does it have?
< 1623937182 854268 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1623937216 974593 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :ATmega128RFA1 processor with 128k RAM, 4k EEPROM, and external 1Mbit memory chip. 
< 1623937233 176829 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can imagine what you can do with that? that is very very cool
< 1623937280 394633 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :128K of ram. that's much better.
< 1623937293 90899 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and an external 1M memory chip, much better
< 1623937307 929242 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could write the compiler in BIPLAN and store it in the memory chip
< 1623937338 514969 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there would be a lot of space for user defined apps/programs
< 1623937367 502739 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :that could also be just BIPLAN
< 1623937369 758635 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, but it's 1 megabyte. I have run Windows and compilers on 1 megabyte. that's much easier.
< 1623937380 81815 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a bit tight for all that, I admit
< 1623937388 206163 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :no that's mega BITS sadly
< 1623937397 419990 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, 1 megabit? then no
< 1623937416 217255 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's only 128 kilobytes
< 1623937428 159868 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so only as much as the built-in memory
< 1623937458 825858 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well yes, it makes sense if you want to build some kind of bytecode compiler for conveniently programming that
< 1623937480 949720 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially since that device has a keyboard that looks nice (I can't tell how usable it is) and enough keys
< 1623937512 69226 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :it also has 128k of internal flash memory where I could store the compiler and the interpreter
< 1623937617 367259 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :so all in all there is 128k of flash and 128k of external memory chip
< 1623937636 276943 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :BIPLAN already gets translated in byte-code or p-code
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< 1623937653 368285 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, the compiled program does not occupy a lot of space, for sure better than plain basic
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< 1623937671 216137 :Sgeo|web!~Sgeo|web@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PART :#esolangs
< 1623937714 530887 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :for now BIPLAN looks around 2.5 times slower than python and an order of magnitude faster than tinybasic
< 1623937777 434356 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree about the keyboard.
< 1623937818 319690 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would be happy to be able to compute stuff with my own language in an air-gapped machine I can more or less fully understand.
< 1623937955 646746 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :these small devices are cool, I just can't keep up the enthusiasm when I have a compact camera with hundreds of megabytes of RAM in it (admittedly it also costs about as many euros as it has megabytes of RAM), a computer with 32 gigabytes of RAM at home (that one was proportionally cheaper), and a computer with 16 gigabytes of RAM at work.
< 1623938014 89821 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: "does not occupy a lot of space" => but can you then debug and edit that compiled program even if you don't have the source form? 
< 1623938046 278062 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because if you do have to keep the source form, then there's not much point for the space reduction, or you can't claim that it's programmed on that device, one of that. 
< 1623938065 211150 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the best way to do that is to keep both versions 
< 1623938069 999834 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you can have space reductions if you can compress it in a way that still lets you edit, like storing each identifier name only once and a special editor
< 1623938079 581920 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also compressing all the keywords obviously)
< 1623938086 856747 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is a better idea I agree
< 1623938097 913150 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you keep both versions, that's fine if you have enough RAM for that, but it doesn't really save you space.
< 1623938117 38301 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :compiling can still makes sense if you can run the program easier with precomputed jumps, admittedly
< 1623938120 764039 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the compilation process is mostly done to gain speed, more than space
< 1623938126 19904 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and precomputed lexical variable addresses
< 1623938128 582378 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1623938138 793361 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes, I agree with you
< 1623938148 627540 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the source does not need to be in ram
< 1623938154 958240 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the bytecode yes
< 1623938176 841462 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, when the interpreter reads the byte-code, it must be in ram when the source is compiled for sure
< 1623938186 109006 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could perhaps even do both, with a specialized source editor, it might still make sense if you only have 128KB or twice 128KB of ram
< 1623938207 516222 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it may have sense I agree
< 1623938233 980603 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :for now I do not see many computers of this sort with the features I described 
< 1623938241 616378 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would have bought it :)
< 1623938322 838786 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :what you describe looks like a sort of de-compiler?
< 1623938388 699794 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :then user defined apps (calculator, games, messanging, ecc.) could be recalled by the buttons around the screen, 
< 1623938412 42355 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :or by a keyword
< 1623938431 525169 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :those could be themself be written in BIPLAN in the same machine that will run it
< 1623938442 472750 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's the whole point :)
< 1623938483 499267 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I teach at youngsters how to code, a thing of this sort would make them interested I think.
< 1623938539 738193 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, being the byte-code just an ascii string, it will be easy to transmit/share that even if the machines are very different
< 1623938582 87824 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also they could just ready the byte-code as a text file, without additional tooling, that was very handy for me while making BIPLAN
< 1623938614 243714 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: not quite a decompiler. at least I don't think it's called a decompiler but you can call it that. the difference is that you'd deliberately make the compiled form usable for re-editing, eg. you would store the name of every local variable name (possibly compressed, and only once)
< 1623938635 487431 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, that is a very good idea
< 1623938657 5898 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I teach at youngsters how to code" => that's another different scope, you might want a simpler but not that good system for that, and it can be worth to waste RAM for it
< 1623938681 711165 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the youngsters these days can learn coding on a computer with gigabyte sized RAM, even if the program they write could fit on a simpler system
< 1623938695 689817 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been able to spark some interest in them for VMs I also have made BIPLAN with them in some lessons
< 1623938737 374581 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :in my opinion removing complexity under the carpet and show them a very radical and simple construct makes them more aware of what effectively they are looking at
< 1623938767 980517 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC, TI-BASIC (which definitely won't win any performance awards) gets stored in a mildly tokenized but still editable form by the built-in editor. I think that's pretty common for BASIC implementations? 
< 1623938796 521828 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :ciao fizzie, yes, I think at the time was called tokenization if I am not mistaken
< 1623938828 719439 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And fungot's brainfuck interpreter generates an intermediate form with +-<> run-length-encoded and [] jump targets pre-calculated, which the ^show command then reverses.
< 1623938829 24718 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie[m]: uh. except that the bf functions aren't in memory. a list of categories to categorize each language ( sorry for only tangentially being on-topic) ' ( for-syntax fnord)) fnord))
< 1623938894 211309 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :more or less in BIPLAN happens more or less the same:
< 1623938898 23582 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :... I don't think fungot's bf interpreter would be the best example for how to use a small device with a keyboard to write cool programs on it, or to teach programming to youngsters, but maybe I'm closed minded and traditional
< 1623938898 288940 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: please read thi. it's incredible what can be done,,,and everything else is just being lame and scheme48 got it right
< 1623938906 460644 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`coins
< 1623938913 816429 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​02thrcoin 06befcerecoin 13heracoin 04orcystacoin 07gemorseyecoin 08entumcoin 09adecoin 02ferricoin 06cycliccoin 13myxosomniacoin 04blakkarnajord!cpucoin 07cramocoin 08heatecoin 09gracoin 02lighflcoin 06karcoin 13troncoin 04rceceivecoin 07luidcoin 08yamcoin
< 1623938926 289524 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :print fibonacci(40)
< 1623938926 784442 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :stop
< 1623938927 281293 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :function fibonacci($n)
< 1623938927 781637 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :  $a    = 0
< 1623938928 281514 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :  $b    = 1
< 1623938928 810679 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :  $next = 0
< 1623938929 281844 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :  for $r = 0 to $n - 1
< 1623938929 781647 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :    $a = $b
< 1623938930 300325 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :    $b = $next
< 1623938930 781370 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :    $next = $a + $b
< 1623938931 281406 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :  next
< 1623938931 781384 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :return $next
< 1623938943 452672 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :compiled in:
< 1623938945 6343 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :p~#(40)xf#($$)$%0$&1$#0@$'0,$$-1$%$&$&$#$#$%+$&nr$#
< 1623938987 223271 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungоt: no, it's not incredible what can be done, and nobody does anything interesting with *your* brainfuck interpreter. the befunge interpreter that you run on might be a better example.
< 1623939025 280550 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Geust86: yes, we can read the example from https://github.com/gioblu/BIPLAN , please don't paste the whole thing here
< 1623939048 374633 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry
< 1623939051 277774 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless perhaps you run an interpreter bot on IRC, in which case still please avoid pasting many line long code
< 1623939094 999671 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :are the rules of the chat available somewhere so I can avoid breaking some again ?
< 1623939171 578131 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :As for small devices and teaching youngsters, there was that BBC micro:bit project as a modern spin of that. But I think as far as languages go it was "by default" just MicroPython, boringly enough.
< 1623939221 894440 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :my students love BASIC, but hate python, they even prefer to that C or javascript 
< 1623939223 531602 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :O_O
< 1623939225 119925 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :rules for IRC? not really, it's all a silly traditional community that doesn't tell about its own rules. the only definite rule is that if you make full logs of a channel that you want to publish, you have to advertise that in advance. which we do advertise on this channel, in the topic.
< 1623939255 251496 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :17:13:41  my students love BASIC, but hate python
< 1623939257 673167 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :good students
< 1623939265 986440 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: do they hate real python or the micropython thing?
< 1623939272 91947 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :real python
< 1623939278 339558 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have not used micropython still
< 1623939281 446982 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :to teach them
< 1623939294 217566 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :don't teach them bad languages
< 1623939303 143716 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see they are already willing to learn languages
< 1623939310 260414 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :let them chose
< 1623939322 986490 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :they go mad because of the many versions of the same language, and struggle finding the right docs 
< 1623939333 10682 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :about python
< 1623939339 828188 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well I for one want my user-defined structured data, and a library function to sort data on any key, and the BASICs that I occasionally program make both of those really hard
< 1623939359 125888 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :even finding specific version docs won'thelp them, since those docs are awful
< 1623939360 524841 :jedb!~jedb@89.38.225.44 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: show them all the many versions of BASIC
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< 1623939365 547007 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :even pushing data into an array looks ugly in the BASICs that I use
< 1623939386 778461 :jedb!~jedb@89.38.225.44 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: instil in them an early appreciation for language standards!
< 1623939388 79791 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"struggle finding the right docs about python" => can they read English?
< 1623939399 110590 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree BASIC is not the right way to teach the how to think algorithmically, considering the presence of line numbers and vast use of gotos
< 1623939413 925672 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: we have done away with the line numbers long ago
< 1623939428 353795 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nor do we have to use gotos, we have proper structured while and if blocks now
< 1623939430 734923 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't basic have functions?
< 1623939432 945975 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we don't live in the nineties
< 1623939436 151691 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :functions too, yes
< 1623939437 518802 :jedb!~jedb@89.38.225.44 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing wrong with a well placed goto
< 1623939450 740278 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :true too
< 1623939456 591756 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's structured data that basic still haven't really learned how to handle
< 1623939479 140011 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if your students have a BASIC where it's easy to sort an array of pairs of numbers, then it's fine that they love it
< 1623939489 319739 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are BASIC dialects that are sane enough for that
< 1623939500 19828 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes there are functions, but for many of them goto is a simpler concept to understand, and they end up always using it, and I must fight it in most cases
< 1623939502 544145 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I'd prefer if pushing into an array was also easy enough
< 1623939555 79141 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: yes, I have an example task that tries to teach you to use functions. it doesn't work, students don't realize that it's supposed to teach that. I should try to be less subtle.
< 1623939556 382353 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I end up designing with them how array work in BIPLAN, they for sure learned how it works, they participated to the design
< 1623939561 530620 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :let them learn
< 1623939597 857210 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :by writing code in whatever style/way/instructions they want to
< 1623939614 347738 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :until they see in practice how they all compare to each other
< 1623939620 177151 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I might tell you some of those tasks just to see what you think of them
< 1623939621 912060 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I agree that is fundamental, although many of them are super disorganized and forget syntax heheh
< 1623939638 831017 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: forgetting syntax is not a problem, that's what computers are for, remembering stupid stuff
< 1623939642 971145 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you learn it if you use it enough
< 1623939654 272829 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, that is for sure true
< 1623939679 234396 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as long as you have a sane language where it's not easy to get a silently wrong program or misleading error message if you think the syntax is slightly different from what it actually is
< 1623939688 446909 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I must say, they are smart, they understood closures in one lesson (using javascript)
< 1623939736 638611 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the course is almost finished, we are now doing closures in the BIPLAN interpreter implementation
< 1623939762 266377 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am traditional, I don't think closures are all that important in the practical sense. I do use them occasionally, but rarely in a way where they outlive the scope of their outvalues.
< 1623939783 543289 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are working on enabling the interpreter to find a function definition and jump until the call is found... although they still have not seen they need a end function symbol to achieve that, I hope they will notice it before running the impl
< 1623939877 998384 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree with you about closures, I thought it could have been a good way to let them work on their internal abstract thought engine 
< 1623939966 875519 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I come from development, but really enjoy to teach, this is the second year, by far the best job I did for now, very refreshing
< 1623940175 736736 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how young are the youngsters?
< 1623940204 297524 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, have I already asked that?
< 1623940208 278468 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :14-18
< 1623940242 352693 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I asked if they can read English instead
< 1623940265 541186 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks
< 1623940270 341772 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :obviously who is 14 reads english less good 
< 1623940334 748274 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :BASIC works well for classes of very young people, javascript and c are liked by the older ones
< 1623940366 911585 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :none of them like python, I have tried lisp with the oldest without any success
< 1623940396 904819 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you teach C to 18 year olds? isn't that considered a bad idea?
< 1623940405 443463 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :why?
< 1623940477 370740 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well I already mentioned the array sort thing, but also it's useful to have automatic checks for out of bound indexes. which, by the way, javascript is also terrible at, but at least it just silently returns the wrong thing instead of possibly overwriting memory that doesn't belong to the array in the worst case.
< 1623940540 319384 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I insist a lot on the bounds' consistency of their algorithms, I hope I will spare them the time I lost myself 
< 1623940575 425628 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :python is sort of better, though it's also not perfect in this respect, because it will still silently tell me the wrong value for small negative indexes
< 1623940581 410433 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :some of them are pretty good at c, one of the students is already working part-time using c in the afternoon, I must say, that is nice to see
< 1623940583 915278 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why can't languages still get this right?
< 1623940614 262914 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :BIPLAN throws an error if you go out of bound hehe
< 1623940662 353629 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree with you, being that just an experiment is crazy to see that stuff in production we use daily still does not do so
< 1623940676 199422 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: ok, but again the sort thing. most programs I write do either a lot of array sorts or dictionary lookup. you can reduce some of those, but if you don't have a convenient way neither for sorting nor for dictionary lookups (and yes, I can do both in C if I really want to, but it's not so easy as in a high level language) then it does suffer
< 1623940676 712919 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for an educational language.
< 1623940682 950510 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :here in Russia current generation is raised by people who lived in a country that was leading in half of technology fields, had own computers, etc. not all people needed to know Englsh because our own school was good enough; but after the collapse the free education is gone, the culture of respecting knowledge and science is gone, people have no
< 1623940683 29105 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :way to keep up with new techonologies on their own but the old tradition that "knowing only Russian language is enough" remains -- people fool themselves
< 1623940756 835065 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :naklion: well, the computer designs were cloned from the West and so lagged behind, so I don't think "leading in half of the technology fields" is that appropriate, but sure
< 1623940765 404569 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas I may see what you mean, you miss in BIPLAN the concept of a list or the iterators python exposes?
< 1623940778 245173 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, I have a couple of Delta CA
< 1623940805 599497 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :those are by far the best z80 based computers I have ever used.
< 1623940833 5843 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the keyboard and the editor are pure sci-fi if compared to the spectrum or the msx
< 1623940836 305595 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas we even had ternary computer though
< 1623940888 739127 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: heck no, not iterators in particular. I just want an easy way to create a new array, push new items into an array, possibly sort the array on the keys of my choice and possibly backwards on some keys, and then look up items by index or iterate on items or search by sorted key, and all this if the values can be structured with multiple
< 1623940889 278372 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fields, some of which can be varible length arrays or strings.
< 1623940909 998342 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :incredible what you were able to do, it must have helped to be on the other side, reverse engineering must have been a daily job in many sectors of IT at the time of gorbachev
< 1623940960 258435 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can do all of that in C if I really want to, but I don't want to spend my time on that, so I use languages that make this easy; and most of the time I write code where the execution time isn't critical, so I can live with less efficient design, but in the few cases when I know I need my code to run fast, I do also know how to optimize it 
< 1623941017 684141 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if I do an out of bounds access, I want my program to die with an error message with source code location
< 1623941022 923970 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then I fix my code
< 1623941038 704172 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :same on all the assertion checks that I sprinkle my code with
< 1623941067 564939 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :half of my code is checking the other half because that helps me develop programs better, I don't have to handle all cases that might be in the data, the rest can give an error and then I can write the code for the cases that actually occur in my data
< 1623941070 425533 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :students have to implement this stuff at least once to then use some higher languages of their choise but knowing what's under the hood
< 1623941071 571931 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :occurr
< 1623941095 212149 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, "occur "was right
< 1623941100 970555 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :drat
< 1623941121 984753 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's "occur" but "occurrence"
< 1623941138 512741 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :BIPLAN is all statically defined, strings, variables and arrays are just very big indexed registers
< 1623941153 451862 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: no, I don't see the point of students starting with implementing the low level stuff like that. they can learn how it's done later.
< 1623941155 843900 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :very difficult to implement the first part of your suggestion
< 1623941166 554663 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't agree jonas
< 1623941170 354367 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they won't learn later
< 1623941172 260727 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a friend in SAP
< 1623941181 454330 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yesterday was here, I showed him BIPLAN
< 1623941188 931881 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: most of them don't *have* to learn later, most won't have a work where they write programs
< 1623941194 611967 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they'll keep living with flawed understanding of how computers work and will refuse to learn the truth, it's psychological
< 1623941195 215101 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :he was not able to visualize how C code could execute BIPLAN and what was doing what
< 1623941207 147576 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :my students are able to visualize that, it took some lessons, but now they are able
< 1623941207 382877 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we teach the basics to lots of people because we don't know which ones of them will want to program, and they don't know yet either
< 1623941263 583415 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, they know that the python keyword in the console is a c program that does the same we did with BIPLAN, they know about the python bytecode
< 1623941278 612450 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :my friend that works in the industry doesn't, and uses python every day
< 1623941279 162058 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if someone won't code in future then it would be nothing bad in teaching them low level anyway
< 1623941288 158248 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: what I do want to teach, to all the students, even the ones who won't end up programming, is to understand what a computer can do and what it can't do or can perhaps do but it's hard, in case they might want to ask someone else to program something, so they have an idea for whether they're asking easy or hard things
< 1623941317 155688 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that they can ask early to automate the things that they spend lots of work on doing manually even though they would be easy to automate
< 1623941323 305006 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :for sure thsat is important wib, I agree
< 1623941328 475407 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :most people who work with computers don't seem to understand that
< 1623941333 364333 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you won't understand what computers can and can't do, and what approaches are effectiev or not, if you don't teach the low level
< 1623941339 210336 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that's why they can't help me in my work, where I'm the guy who automates things
< 1623941353 747270 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I end up having to ask them what they are doing and tell them which parts would be how easy or hard to automate
< 1623941359 332845 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then automate the easy parts
< 1623941362 249019 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it saves time
< 1623941395 365563 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: that might depend on what you mean by "low level". 
< 1623941416 872519 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case BIPLAN is just a caricature of what python does, it is just a couple of thousands lines, compiler and interpreter
< 1623941432 74581 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :managers who were not taught how computers work today are throwing gygabytes of RAM and a block of 4 videocards to just solve a single quadratic equation that can be solved within a nanosecond
< 1623941451 164552 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually implementing a sorting algorithm or lookup in a sorted list is not a useful thing to have these people spend their time on; making them understand that you can search quickly in a telephone book or find matching names or missing names between two sorted telephone books is useful
< 1623941459 975437 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think is for sure educational, I have tried to show them inside cpython, they asked, but it was impossible to exctract much from looking inside, their attention span is small
< 1623941506 428145 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: "throwing gigabytes of RAM" => those are the people who do write programs. that's an important challenge too, but not really my target here.
< 1623941514 810444 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :for sure it is scary to see how slow is python, I mean, how can BIPLAN be in the same order of magnitude?
< 1623941584 453671 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean I call atoi on numeric values, they are written in as strings, how can that be approaching python performance?
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< 1623941630 790705 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"language runtime speed "comparison is  what matters the least
< 1623941654 625058 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon what you mean?
< 1623941676 198972 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :with minimal edits you can reimplement almost any language in any another lagnauge changing the perfomance by magnitudes
< 1623941684 423680 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :that must be a term to estimate the performance envelope 
< 1623941699 185806 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :programmer shouldn't care about his language speed
< 1623941703 606296 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am implementing BIPLAN in c, and comparing in to the C python interpreter
< 1623941734 354731 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only speed that matters is how quickly he can get things done
< 1623941757 142745 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean the coder who uses the language? heheh
< 1623941770 697642 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and tehre he struggles with shitty docs, shitty syntaxes, shity stdlib, shitty sommunity, etc.
< 1623941853 3862 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also you implement pieces of your application in different langauges
< 1623941893 321415 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas I understand your point, that for sure is a big part of the role of a teacher. And I agree the teacher must not fall in love with implementation detail or they will get bored
< 1623941917 115500 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean that the compiler is c++ and the interpreter is c?
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< 1623942189 287276 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86 if that's a question on my last line then no, I mean the whole product of any kind usually is made of pieces written in different languages
< 1623942204 172254 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah sorry
< 1623942235 261517 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :for sure the industry is a very complex ecosystem of different languages and implementations
< 1623942331 407459 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I read the story of this chat and the whole recent mess, it looks to have no sense, very strange.
< 1623945171 257852 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: yes, welcome to #esolangs
< 1623945186 180227 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`welcome Guest86
< 1623945188 99775 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1623945209 885999 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest86: also you might want to choose a more expressive nick than Guest86. 
< 1623945228 959017 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can use the /nick command to change your nick, or choose a nick when you start the webchat client
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< 1623947550 789392 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it NICK :[O_O]
< 1623947571 258028 :[O_O]!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :this really reminds me my childwood
< 1623947593 285963 :[O_O]!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :when people was fighting to find the weirdest nick on iirc
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< 1623948726 396496 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :These newfangled networks with all their fancy "services" make IRC wars completely different though. It used to be all about channel takeovers, and expending a lot of effort trying to get clients and/or bots on as many servers as possible, at least where I was.
> 1623948776 535721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84637&oldid=76438 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+68) 10Change ideas
> 1623949077 36904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84638&oldid=84625 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+53) 10Add two esolangs I forgot to add before
> 1623949231 167207 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Arsm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84639&oldid=80680 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10Lower
> 1623949281 569144 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Arsm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84640&oldid=84639 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10Fix name
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< 1623949455 510210 :[O_O]!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :one question
< 1623949467 244942 :[O_O]!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this implementation approach of the function call in an interpreter sane?
< 1623949468 342216 :[O_O]!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/gioblu/BIPLAN/blob/master/src/BIPLAN.c#L514
< 1623949519 111024 :[O_O]!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, I recursively call bip_expression that may be another function, so the overhead that would have gone in the vm stack (which BIPLAN does not have) is pushed on the stack of the real machine
< 1623949580 717198 :[O_O]!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do not see a better way to do it for now without adding a lot of complexity
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< 1623950437 622601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie[m]: yeah, right now I'm trying to figure out how you're even supposed to give anyone channel ops without a race condition if there are no service. do you have to set a ban on their nick!user@host, then wait until that propagates to every server, then give them channel ops with a full nick!user@host, then remove the ban?
< 1623950499 32980 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or are channel ops only supposed to connect from IP addresses that they use alone or control the identd so that nobody else can fake their hostmask? but I don't think the serviceless IRC servers care about their identd.
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< 1623953604 198266 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: IME, I feel mostly that was dealt with by per-channel bots that handled giving ops in response to a password (sent via private messages).
< 1623953655 329199 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IRCnet does do the "~ in username means no identd" thing.
< 1623953698 637613 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And a lot of people did connect using Unix shell accounts hosted by either an ISP or a university, where spoofing identd would have been tricky.
< 1623953788 401974 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I seem to recall I had a runaway ircII script temporarily DoS the shell server of one of the smaller Finnish dialup ISPs, because they didn't really have any enforced resource limits on it.
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> 1623954799 236629 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84644&oldid=84636 5* 03AceKiron 5* (-46) 10/* Functionality */
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> 1623954888 72992 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CodyNinja1 5*  10New user account
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< 1623954971 60585 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie[m]: yes, but how do the ops give channel op to anyone withotu a face condition?
< 1623954990 113787 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if there is an identd for the whole public IP, then yes, then that works
< 1623955024 85194 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't think that eg. my employer's NAT has an identd... I have never really tested it, I admit
> 1623955152 715181 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84645&oldid=84644 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+526) 10/* Functionality */
< 1623955178 506685 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, I know NATs weren't so common back when IRC was invented, and nobody used cryptography etc
> 1623955432 129518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84646&oldid=84645 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+110) 10/* Functionality */
< 1623955436 538629 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :good old IoT... Internet of Trust
< 1623955463 699022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`grWp freenode
< 1623955465 801425 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :advertisement:Advertisement starts: have you heard about this hip and froopy 'net place called #esoteric? It is on freenode. Brought to you by The Board of Timeskewed Advertiesements. \ e:e is a freenode admin. e is not known to be an Agora player. \ freenode:The Realm of Freenode is our homeland. The Chännel dwells in it since... Uhm... Quite a few years ago?
< 1623955519 246921 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :somehow, that entry on `e` is again true...
< 1623955877 500430 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn Libera has always been our homeland. The Chännel has been dwelling in it since the beginning of time. Any rumors about another network called "freenode" are compleetely bogus.
< 1623955881 171792 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'libera': Libera has always been our homeland. The Chännel has been dwelling in it since the beginning of time. Any rumors about another network called "freenode" are compleetely bogus.
< 1623955941 637979 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`slwd freenode//s=is=used to be=;s=dwells=dwelled=
< 1623955944 228716 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :freenode//The Realm of Freenode used to be our homeland. The Chännel dwelled in it since... Uhm... Quite a few years ago?
< 1623955980 612473 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`rm ../wisdom/e
< 1623955982 912977 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output.
< 1623956014 757147 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :any guess whether "Advertiesements" is an intentional typo?
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< 1623956980 208042 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think identd in general used to be much more prevalent. At least the shell servers I had accounts on were running it.
< 1623957035 328039 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, you were incentivized to run an identd by getting more permissive I:lines from ircds.
< 1623957385 313924 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Interesting, looks like at least two Finnish ISPs are still running (IRCnet) IRC servers; irc.elisa.fi and irc.nebula.fi.
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< 1623957835 274090 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie[m]: hmm yes, that's true, I think I saw a MOTD on ircnet that says multi-user shell servers are allowed only if they run identd. 
< 1623957862 486885 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I will check my employer's ipv4 NAT when I'm in there, but I don't think they run identd
< 1623957864 68397 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: My guess is it's an unintentional typo, but I don't know for sure.
< 1623957878 805470 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :i know irccloud runs an identd, but i imagine they're one of the few places that actually does
< 1623957913 90555 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :pikhq: yes, but they're specifically a massive IRC proxy, not a generic NAT for the employees on which most people don't use IRC
< 1623957927 966259 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I no longer have an account on any shell server other than VPSes I personally administer. Feels slightly odd. :/
< 1623957949 961297 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah -- it's one of the use cases that identd still makes _some_ sense for
< 1623958079 494862 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This Matrix/Libera bridge app server doesn't seem to run an identd, so everyone's got a ~ on it.
< 1623958110 61642 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean I don't see how they could even run a meaningful identd, when they have a single wifi password
< 1623958172 222323 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they can know the identity of my work laptop, because that's a laptop owned by the employer, but anyone can also connect to the wifi from any other computer, and even the ethernet, ethernet just needs a bit more physical proximity
< 1623958197 308943 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can have a forwarding identd setup (oidentd at least supports that) for a NAT, but that's stretching the definition of "meaningful".
< 1623958201 170815 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I normally connect through ethernet because I'm old-style, but I have used the wifi a few times
< 1623958220 545548 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie[m]: yes, but then I can run an identd on my own laptop that lies anything, and so can the attacker
< 1623958228 567245 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the attacker who wants to get the same hostmask that is
< 1623958272 290583 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've got fungot running on a (virtual) system that has a dedicated public IPv6 address but a NAT'd IPv4 one, so it's fungot!~fungot@... when connecting over IPv4 but fungot!fungot@... when connecting over IPv6.
< 1623958272 810357 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie[m]: python's module system wreaks havoc with static compilation and doesn't have much practical value, and no registers, it has own scheme dialect which supports optional types. similar to dylan.
< 1623958292 112383 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Because I run it at home, and my ISP only gives out a single IPv4 address, unsurprisingly.)
< 1623958338 771108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I just talked to the sysadmin about how their SVN proxy is broken and doesn't forward file copies to the internal network, and it turns out the machine that handles that proxying runs some simple software that they can't configure to do the kind of URL rewriting that has two URLs in the same query
< 1623958353 777286 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm actually kind of surprised that commits even work through that proxy
< 1623958389 526728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I sort of don't think that they would do identd forwarding, that would also require specific protocol parsing
< 1623958412 321541 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the workaround is that I'll have to set up a VPN and use SVN through that by the way
< 1623958447 339552 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie[m]: yeah, I also never tested whether the IPV6 is natted too
< 1623958455 539622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should check that too
< 1623958664 559511 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also, while I'm no Python expert, I don't think what our channel mascot said about the Python module system is true. Or coherent.)
< 1623958760 632983 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, the module system isn't particularly relevant for why python is too dynamic to be typeable statically
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< 1623958907 569865 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although ruby is even worse
< 1623959143 177120 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :python is at least sensible enough to not allow just arbitrarily redefining the methods of built-in types. but it does allow redefining builtin functions.
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< 1623962810 243235 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Animated tiles on Game Boy is mentioned. Does it support bank switching graphics? I can look. I know that NES/Famicom does have bankswitching graphics, I will look about Game Boy
> 1623963014 593397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84647&oldid=84620 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+208) 10/* Introductions */
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> 1623963286 740042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:CodyNinja114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84648 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+41) 10Created page with "Hello i am codyninja1 and i like esolangs"
> 1623963450 325845 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84649 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+1842) 10Created page with "

UToober

UToober is a [[Brainfuck|Brainfrain]]-like programming language created by [[User:CodyNinja1|CodyNinja1]]

Usage and Commands

{| class="wikitable" |+..." > 1623963488 20736 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84650&oldid=84649 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (-17) 10remove the other header > 1623963643 612603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:CodyNinja114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84651&oldid=84648 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+43) 10 < 1623963654 228967 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If there are only two frames of animated tiles, then it could work: https://gbdev.io/pandocs/Tile_Data.html > 1623964637 902923 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84652&oldid=84650 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+1117) 10 > 1623964760 375602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84653&oldid=84652 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+39) 10 > 1623964867 35408 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84654&oldid=84653 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+16) 10 < 1623965237 181100 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I think so, but only a few tiles are animated, and it seems like you'd have to duplicate the whole tile table as many times as animation frames, which would be a lot of unnecessarey ROM space. I expect there's some way around that. < 1623965285 696377 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can change the pointer for the tile table in any case, and games often change them between different levels < 1623965301 712036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so like grass levels have grass tiles, while volcano levels have lava tiles < 1623965518 226579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1623966480 502777 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :[https://kiwiirc.com] salpynx < 1623967029 214446 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :NES/Famicom also is limited to two frames in a similar way, but NES/Famicom also can use external video memory, so using that it is possible to add more frames. < 1623968156 313061 :[O_O]!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1623968407 85721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esolangs :Welcome to the liberated church of esoteric programming, proselytization, propagation, and pronunciation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://logs.esolangs.org/ < 1623968429 685929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: this should clear it up hth < 1623968452 378823 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1623968539 212723 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? proselytization < 1623968540 978891 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :proselytization? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1623968904 329812 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is the topic meant to exclude amateurs? < 1623968946 516615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :amateurs are fine as long as they believe in the cause hth < 1623968963 334193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also, all i did was add a comma < 1623968964 915549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :) < 1623969061 860966 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The comma does make a positive difference. Just noticed all the pros for the first time. < 1623969127 371005 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1623969555 50931 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` wn proselytize -over | grep '^1' # I wish lambdabot's @wn was more concise and/or the WordNet CLI more friendly < 1623969556 124863 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1. proselytize, proselytise -- (convert to another faith or religion) < 1623969612 87018 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: tech_exorcist < 1623969612 831013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :^show < 1623969612 900873 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf < 1623969618 740962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :^show rot13 < 1623969618 805065 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :,[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+14<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>>+5[<-5>-]<2-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+ < 1623969632 373681 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Elegant. < 1623969648 211661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ^show doesn't reverse the run length encoding tdnh < 1623969684 341994 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I realized that as I was writing it, but it seemed to hard to describe what I actually meant. < 1623969687 345292 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, it could. < 1623969762 814126 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, you can tell that program was "compiled" (translated?) before that one bug was fixed, because it contains ">>" instead of ">2". < 1623969779 171809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ic < 1623969870 659027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'll just excuse you because you were in the matrix at the time < 1623969880 335249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :was it solid? < 1623969891 84507 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1623969922 463433 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's been a bit flaky, but that's probably because I picked the most experimental thing there was. < 1623969946 256589 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, my phone started saying "bong" every time I got highlighted, which was a bit much. < 1623970021 264058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, fungot's response to that log message was eerily close to on topic < 1623970021 553738 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: i could make a " who want's to be millionaire program". here's the complete context of the stuff on esolang's like that, you're probably doing something wrong < 1623970036 416395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :until it got into the fnords < 1623970083 904201 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION is wearing a "bob" dobbs mask < 1623970181 440622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, we definitely need a picture of a superintelligent shade of blue with a "bob" dobbs mask < 1623970313 611368 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` $(🌱 2 6) -s 🌱 $HACKENV/bin/seed < 1623970316 812455 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1623970427 447006 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`seed 4 30029010 < 1623970428 539081 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :True < 1623970497 936117 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that worked. `seed is a little more usable than `🌱 < 1623970537 38756 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^wiki seed < 1623970537 100044 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/seed < 1623970576 68167 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^wiki anything, even something that doesn't have an article about it (just checking) < 1623970576 144689 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/anything, even something that doesn't have an article about it (just checking) < 1623970600 935195 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^show wiki < 1623970601 18298 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :+15[>+4>+7>+7>+8<4-]>3-.>-4..<2+7.+3.<-2.-11..>2-3.<.>2-5.-3.<-4.>+2.<+6.<.<-.>3+.+3.<.<2+.>+4.>+2.+2.-2.<2.,[.,] < 1623970606 161045 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, it could have hardly be anything else, but you never know. < 1623970628 172846 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :From the format, pretty sure the `https://esolangs.org/wiki/` prefix came out of bf_txtgen. < 1623971376 985749 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan, http://hooloovoo.blue/files/dobbs.jpg < 1623971389 134167 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's one of the more creepy possible masks to have? < 1623972025 915473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo++ < 1623972062 438067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although you don't look that su... i mean, blue. < 1623972325 734148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cbt karma < 1623972326 636770 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$1 has $(${HACKENV-/hackenv}/lib/karma "$1") karma." < 1623972345 789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`t cat lib/karma < 1623972346 87945 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/bin/sh \ count () { \ hg log --template '{desc}\n' | \ egrep '^<[^>]*> karma\'$1 | \ fgrep -vix "<$2> karma$1 $2" | \ cut -d' ' -f3 | \ fgrep -cix "$2" \ } \ plus=$(count + "$1") \ minus=$(count - "$1") \ echo $(($plus-$minus)) < 1623972516 698990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma Hooloovoo < 1623972524 979710 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo has 0 karma. < 1623972530 454953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma Hooloovoo < 1623972538 266968 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo has 0 karma. < 1623972545 701560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma oerjan < 1623972552 923368 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan has 0 karma. < 1623972555 609859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma oerjan < 1623972562 906657 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan has 0 karma. < 1623972588 394691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm who _has_ HackEso karma < 1623972594 435253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma fizzie < 1623972603 2634 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie has 2 karma. < 1623972606 531062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma fizzie < 1623972621 550027 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie has 0 karma. < 1623972627 29981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :thoughts so. < 1623972685 771443 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma < 1623972692 870936 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​ has 0 karma. < 1623972709 623010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma+ Hooloovoo < 1623972730 207328 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo now has 1 karma. < 1623972749 535239 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan++ < 1623972756 541385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@karma < 1623972756 850593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :You have a karma of 1 < 1623972771 883836 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :@karma < 1623972772 193923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :You have a karma of 1 < 1623972782 414254 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool < 1623972837 782317 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera JOIN #esolangs Riviera ::) < 1623973032 220040 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` interp "befunge $(seed 4 141745954)@" <<< '20 3' < 1623973033 893362 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :23 < 1623973087 197862 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma+ nakilon < 1623973102 147130 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon now has 1 karma. < 1623973169 73744 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't the `! befunge interp to accept parameters to ignore unrecognised commands, and the source seed add program doesn't terminate with `@` neatly. < 1623973177 698092 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it takes him 15 seconds to increment > 1623973214 487704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84655&oldid=84654 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+96) 10Cats/wikiheaders < 1623973215 185945 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :22.5hrs estimated to locate a cleanly terminating befunge program `&&+.@` > 1623973238 103270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84656&oldid=84655 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Interpreter */ Fxi tpyo < 1623973251 120339 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The counting of karma, the way HackEso does it, involves looking through the entire history of 12k or so revisions. < 1623973282 688901 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A typically #esolangs-y combination of elegance and whatever the word for the opposite is. < 1623973664 523199 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1623974103 566995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` hg log -k karma --template '{desc}\n' | paste < 1623974106 311753 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.24635 < 1623974141 826660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` hg log -k '> karma' --template '{desc}\n' | paste < 1623974144 764424 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.30567 < 1623974177 73348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :much better < 1623974246 369699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`sled ../lib/karma//3s/log/log -k '> karma' / < 1623974248 765831 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​../lib/karma//#!/bin/sh \ count () { \ hg log -k '> karma' --template '{desc}\n' | \ egrep '^<[^>]*> karma\'$1 | \ fgrep -vix "<$2> karma$1 $2" | \ cut -d' ' -f3 | \ fgrep -cix "$2" \ } \ plus=$(count + "$1") \ minus=$(count - "$1") \ echo $(($plus-$minus)) < 1623974257 129017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma oerjan < 1623974261 378557 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan has 0 karma. < 1623974277 846250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma Hooloovoo < 1623974282 32196 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo has 1 karma. < 1623974341 69053 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1623974420 235585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it still does "hg log" twice, but well, premature optimization. < 1623974584 875320 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does the log software support multiple channels on a single connection separately? < 1623974985 638078 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It does now. Specifically, it has two logging modes, a "raw" log that's just all messages sent and received over the IRC connection, and a per-channel log (which is configured for each channel) which contains only messages relevant for that channel. < 1623974994 305825 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The idea being that I wasn't quite sure there wouldn't be any bugs in the logic of selecting which messages to log (especially nick change and quit messages, which you only get once if you have any channels in common, and which don't explicitly specify which channel they're for), so in theory the raw log will allow back-filling the channel logs if such a bug is discovered. < 1623975005 346079 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although I haven't actually written any code to do such backfilling. And both kind of logs use a binary format (protocol buffers) rather than text files, which not everyone might like. < 1623975764 641555 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aren't the logs for each channel converted into three formats though? < 1623976109 676763 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, but it happens on-the-fly by the web server. There's just one "on-disk" format, and it's none of those three. < 1623976162 191001 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK < 1623976776 408074 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are you able to set it up on the IRC channel that they have granted me on here? (If I later move it to my own IRC server, I will have the server make its own logs, but currently it is Libera) (I will give you permission to change the topic message if you agree) < 1623977155 863183 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, if you want, and as long as it doesn't matter that the logs are served at https://logs.esolangs.org/. I can either include it on the list of the index page or leave it "private" (as in, public if you guess the URL). Oh, and not today, because I'm heading off now (but just ask me again tomorrow). < 1623977170 936055 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, I will ask again tomorrow < 1623977568 923381 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: nobody has karma, because the karma script mostly greps the logs for ++ and -- in lines that don't necessarily invoke HackEso, but HackEso no longer has the channel logs in its file system < 1623977580 145855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the `karma+ commands are an afterthought < 1623977642 104161 :brainfunnel!~quassel@72.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: thanks, bye! < 1623977754 824444 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: wait, you said that the company donated you hosting the esolang.org server for the purpose of supporting this channel, which is why you don't run fungot on it. how can you make logs for other channels then? < 1623977755 9766 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: fnord, fnord, and that was 3.5 times as slow as using arithmetic-shift, by the way < 1623977799 741747 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, fungot, you're proving my point, you don't contribute to this channel < 1623977799 911606 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: so you agree that when you aren't doing it without map can already handle that. < 1623977957 566911 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :O, maybe it is a valid point. Well, we can see tomorrow, I suppose < 1623978045 507961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: did you even look at the current karma script twh < 1623978124 803194 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: no, I might be misremembering this < 1623978189 721738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it _used_ to work like what you say, but it was all changed to be based on mercury revisions instead < 1623978260 371806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, sorry for that phrasing. i really don't want to use that kind of trolling rhetoric but your message was too tempting. < 1623978267 640785 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: ok, then that explains why nobody has karma, nobody will use an explicit HackEso statement instead of just saying someuser++ < 1623978273 467110 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or someconcept++ < 1623978284 407404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: well lambdabot keeps track of those. < 1623978298 712166 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I see that revision 0 already doesn't have that, but I know the revision history available on HackEso's repo is truncated < 1623978307 721459 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: lambdabot still does? nice < 1623978337 821963 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know some other bots do < 1623978369 562106 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thikn perlbot might too < 1623978374 914228 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot karma someconcept < 1623978375 154207 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: someconcept has karma of 1 < 1623978377 279948 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1623978401 695255 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cdHZvFsHtbZd++ < 1623978405 457193 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot karma cdHZvFsHtbZd < 1623978405 679291 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: cdHZvFsHtbZd has karma of 1 < 1623978409 183887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, it keeps track too < 1623978413 654936 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@karma cdHZvFsHtbZd < 1623978413 964268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :cdHZvFsHtbZd has a karma of 1 < 1623978419 455775 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`karma cdHZvFsHtbZd < 1623978426 423395 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cdHZvFsHtbZd has 0 karma. < 1623978487 939700 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll note that perlbot has a native plugin for this, you can't implement it as a macro because you can't listen to statements not addressed to the bot < 1623978501 157053 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :same for HackEso now, and I think lambdabot < 1623978546 361409 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess this karma concept is a meme that many bot makers implement < 1623978559 315770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1623987280 683631 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1623987299 227560 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1623987794 529298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84657&oldid=66182 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+749) 10/* looping command description confuses me. */ new section < 1623988393 850173 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: lambdabot has also "archived" a lot of partial brainfuck programs for that reason < 1623988454 886207 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to some extent that's unavoidable; [-] is a valid IRC nick < 1623988474 480893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@karma C < 1623988474 791071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :C has a karma of 0 < 1623988478 309872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@karma c < 1623988478 637646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :c has a karma of 0 < 1623988574 304966 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@karma c/c < 1623988574 613295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :c/c has a karma of 1 < 1623989059 835091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@karma [-] < 1623989060 133344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :[-] has a karma of 0 < 1623989137 558577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@karma [->+<] < 1623989137 851058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :[->+<] has a karma of 0 < 1623989155 248196 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, let me do *something* about that karma < 1623989160 915421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@karma [+>-<] < 1623989161 225047 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :[+>-<] has a karma of 0 < 1623989193 676103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh + isn't allowed < 1623989208 688335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :or <> i guess < 1623989279 725936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: will be back in a few minutes < 1623989390 689033 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :pfft, tools you never miss episode 283: no mc on the lambdabot host < 1623989537 159638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1623989626 945095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: it had an entry for (>------>+++++++)*4>([+++++++[-]]>)*3([+++++++[-]]>)[-------[+]]>[+++++++[-]]>[+++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[+++++++[-]]>[--------------[+]]>[+++++++[-]]>[+++++++[-]]>[++++++++++++++++[-]]>[----------[+]]>[-------[+]]>[++++++++++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[----------------[+]]>[-------------------------[+]]>[-------------[+]]>[++++++++++++++++[-]]>[++++++++++++++++++++++[-]]>[--... < 1623989632 954446 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...for example < 1623990109 23288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :fancy < 1623990215 954695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :that looks like bfjoust < 1623993937 482628 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1623995144 568354 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :what're the ( and ) chars. < 1623995172 621332 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :@botswack < 1623995172 809566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) < 1623995221 735545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: that's why i think it's bfjoust < 1623995242 196399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(...)*n means repeat n times there < 1623995339 458805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, except one isn't followed by a number < 1623995720 16291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1623995847 360732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC the () group, and you can also write stuff like +*10 if you want to replicate just one operation > 1623996846 255325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84658&oldid=84656 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+92) 10 > 1623997025 546005 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84659&oldid=84658 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+18) 10 < 1623998149 699616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've found a new (to me) silly corner of Unicode: spinning chess pieces, like 🨄🨈🨙🨝🨲🩃🩇 < 1623998453 855103 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1623998487 39157 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Mal Sproule > 1623998799 6516 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84660&oldid=84659 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+134) 10/* Hello, World! */ < 1623999107 374284 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@82.2.21.4 JOIN #esolangs chrysanthematic :chrysanthematic < 1623999131 162779 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1623999223 893421 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mc is way inferior to our lord and saviour ranger < 1623999307 890038 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :mc() { mkdir -- "$1" && cd -- "$1"; } < 1623999512 418746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: I really don't use it a lot. But when I want to have a look at every file in one directory, it's quite convenient to just hit F3 on each of them < 1623999561 657312 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ranger has a preview panel < 1623999581 527140 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://nongnu.org/ranger/screenshots/ranger-screenshot_highlighted-code-preview.png < 1623999593 911357 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I'm used to mc. There's really no right or wrong about these things, by and large, it's familiarity. < 1623999635 314775 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1623999645 285571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1623999647 467079 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, i'm just surprised by how unknown it is, but that's probably because mc is way older < 1623999682 149204 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, there is an element of carbon dating to this too. < 1623999710 620997 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1624000025 78588 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@82.2.21.4 QUIT :Quit: chrysanthematic > 1624000589 232589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84661&oldid=84660 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (-2) 10 < 1624001213 621907 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1624001578 480634 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624001593 847303 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: Oh, fwiw, because I took a long time to remember: mc has a 'Quck view" feature that's basically a file preview. < 1624002694 236435 :mistbreeze_!~mistbreez@2600:1700:b7e0:8320:a8d5:bd63:307f:6117 JOIN #esolangs * :jessica < 1624002696 796596 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624002901 156852 :mistbreeze!~mistbreez@2600:1700:b7e0:8320:d804:8caf:4f02:586 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624003593 492218 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624003771 463030 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624004313 61001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"file previewer" sounds like a decent idea but these days it's just a fricking disaster waiting to happen when your final program that you use to open openoffice/pdf/html/whatever is more secure so malware targets the buggy previewer which is full of plugins and gets less scrutiny than the big applications. < 1624004365 37680 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't support it. have a photo previewer program if you wish, but not a general file previewer with hundreds of plugins without choosing a whitelist < 1624004377 833204 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/plugins/plugins preinstalled/ < 1624004494 774418 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624007232 578924 :immibis_!~immibis@62.156.144.218 NICK :immibis > 1624009860 334062 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Redoverflow 5* 10New user account > 1624010320 491405 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84662&oldid=84647 5* 03Redoverflow 5* (+371) 10/* Introductions */ < 1624011030 777407 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1624011682 327146 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624011793 154114 :Oshawott!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1624011934 154398 :archenoth!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624012060 126826 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624012160 492559 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624012262 764446 :Trieste!~T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624012265 714749 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1624012575 610677 :[O_O!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] [O_O < 1624012791 738302 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1624013337 896646 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624015558 83481 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Hmm, I guess b_jonas has a fair point. I can think of two workarounds: < 1624015561 247622 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1) Given that there's justification for the esolangs bot to run in the first place, and because it takes negligible additional resources to make it log an extra channel (unless maybe an incredibly popular one), if the channel's at least remotely linked to esolangery in some fashion (maybe just that there's some overlap in audience), I think I could rationalize adding it on that basis. < 1624015567 246805 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm aware that sort of reasoning would probably stretch to fun​got as well, but let's skip that for now.) < 1624015570 263983 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2) I've been thinking of running a "backup" instance of the logging software somewhere else where I don't have to consider esolangs-relevancy in the first place, and I could make *that* log the additional channel too. I just wasn't planning to run a second copy of the logs web serving part, which would take a bit more setup, especially for stalker mode. < 1624015576 123104 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's this channel about? < 1624016027 283105 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim NICK :Trieste < 1624016251 418794 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Those spinning chess pieces might be a replacement of the standard /-\| ASCII spinner for a console program that's chess-themed. < 1624016283 875758 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Although I can only see them in my browser, which might be considered a drawback.) < 1624016324 490885 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/Text+Spinner <- a bunch more Unicodey alternatives, but no chess pieces. < 1624017162 635122 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1624017226 388799 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ok, I take that as encouragement saying that I should run a channel logging bot, even if it's on my home machine that isn't always on. < 1624017239 917892 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thank you for pushing me to do useful things. < 1624017250 574505 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also a lot of websites that I should download but I'm too lazy to. < 1624017658 502035 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well FWIW I don't think we *need* a high-availability logging solution, it's just one of those things that would be done just because it could be done. < 1624017770 89341 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ISTR GregorR's codu.org logs did have a backup bot which picked up the slack when the primary one was down, though. Or if not that, then one of the others. < 1624017782 856932 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, glogbot vs. glogbackup. < 1624017789 516845 :[O_O!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :why the need of a backup? < 1624017801 228182 :[O_O!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it NICK :[O_O] < 1624017886 377235 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought I just finished saying there is no "need" as such. < 1624017996 83336 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes fizzie sorry, I wanted just to support your point, I also see no sense in that < 1624018044 161008 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then again, sense has not traditionally been all that high up the priority list of things constructed for this channel. Would you agree, fungot? < 1624018044 352711 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: 0 1 110 111... dictionary.com has it... < 1624018049 701989 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624018246 647941 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :heheh, as an outsider, sometimes is difficult to decipher or easy to misunderstand your exchanges, I see how in thousands of years separate groups of humans developed completely different and incompatible means for communication heheh < 1624018320 130693 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624018630 655861 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fair, we've already come this far in a bit less than two decades. (Though fungot is not quite that old yet.) < 1624018630 979244 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: not exactly. my body has remained in this armchair and has, i _think_ fshift freset are ideal for those reasons. < 1624018653 47066 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eerily on-topic as usual. < 1624019122 582858 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you ever met IRL? < 1624019138 449470 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think some subsets of us have met in person < 1624019149 442082 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But we've not had a big convention or anything < 1624019158 358766 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I met int-e once, for example) < 1624019353 901047 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`quote Greenland < 1624019355 512677 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :925) The other day (well, the other week) my wife was annoyed with me because she had a dream where I had gotten us plane tickets into a #esoteric meet somewhere in the middle of Greenland in the winter, without asking her first. Plus she wasn't really interested in a #esoteric meet at all, let alone one in Greenland, let alone one in Greenland in wintertime. (I think it's kind of cold there?) < 1624019379 597214 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That never happened either. < 1624019432 716706 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"why the need of a backup?" ahahahahahaha! < 1624019449 725726 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehehe why is that so funny? < 1624019464 629211 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I must miss something about the topic heheh < 1624019505 127934 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: is it actually less then two decades? I thought it was more than two decades now, but I'm never sure when #esoteric started < 1624019516 329211 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :Who started it? < 1624019531 213367 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: December 2002, so not quite two decades yet. < 1624019542 212329 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1624019576 731560 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :will we have a 20 year old celebration? not necessarily in Greenland. New Zealand would be more appropriate, but I think they might still have travel limitations, so I'd prefer somewhere in Europe < 1624019601 965364 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/2002-q4 + search for `#esoteric` for how it all got started. < 1624019614 1587 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` : with a birthday; ? cake # with 20 candles, obviously < 1624019616 60238 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake. < 1624019616 641720 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks for the link < 1624019675 672791 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also shows how we were very, *very* briefly #esoterica on EFnet, before becoming #esoteric on OPN/freenode. < 1624019827 417457 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, who's up for the Esoteric IRC bidecennial celebration in Nuuk Decemeber 2022? < 1624019833 226167 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624019916 405606 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I've met anyone still on the channel. Oh, except maybe we did work out that Deewiant and I did unknowingly "meet" (in the sense of physical proximity in a single-digit number of metres) due to studying at the same university around the same time. < 1624019950 976348 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually, maybe we've actually-met too, looking at these logs. Well, anyway. < 1624020016 132363 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think we ever spoke to each other but I think I saw you from a distance once or something < 1624020077 357235 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2012-01-20.html#lUc implies that but also refers to an earlier occasion, so it must have happened at least twice. < 1624020134 28932 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I do a lot of figuring out of "when did this and that happen" based on IRC logs.) < 1624020323 113955 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :IMO irc logs are scary, 20 years long, immortalized public discussion, sometimes I think the world was better without personal computers or written word, from this point of view came the question about backups :) < 1624020380 405101 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you make the meeting in Italy, I will introduce you Gastone Garziera, one of the engineers who made the first personal computer, the Olivetti Programma 101, he also designed its language < 1624020397 24516 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :he sparked in me the passion for language design. < 1624020433 360008 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :he is one of my best friends, although he is 80, I will meet him soon for a good lunch < 1624020513 268859 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Public logs are a bit of a controversial subject, yes. But it's what we've got. < 1624020529 508295 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They do make for good chatbot training corpora and general text analysis subject matter, though. < 1624020638 585553 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I did some experiments on author classicifaction with a friend on #esoteric logs (in addition to Project Gutenberg books and the EU parliament speeches) for a course once. But I don't remember how well they worked, in the precision-recall sense. < 1624020650 908906 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the english page of the Olivetti Programma 101 is full of lies, it is not a calculator, it is a computer < 1624020762 511520 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yes, that too, that is that part that motivates me to try to label images on Wikimedia Commons with appropriate categories and descriptions, even images I didn't take < 1624020787 201710 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I am more interested in the kind of photos that I would want to take, or photos that I did take but don't upload because there's already a good one of the same topic < 1624020871 550090 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, there are some pairs of regulars here who have unambiguously met in real life, but I haven't met any of them, at least I don't know that I have < 1624020886 344736 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/of them/of the regulars/ < 1624020914 10218 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, I haven't updated https://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/ since 2016, but at least the existing visualizations seem to still work. < 1624021340 537945 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: thanks, that mailing thread does give a specific enough thread for a birthday? should we teach it to /hackenv/wisdom/birthday ? < 1624021390 922737 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :9th of December I think < 1624021412 785951 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :2002-12-09, yes < 1624021416 363143 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? birthday < 1624021418 255759 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :birthday? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1624021443 354231 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, a better idea < 1624021447 8549 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? libera < 1624021449 444140 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Libera has always been our homeland. The Chännel has been dwelling in it since the beginning of time. Any rumors about another network called "freenode" are compleetely bogus. < 1624021482 624705 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :should I add the date after "the beginning of time"? < 1624021497 793588 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah :P < 1624021579 765879 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :2002 is perfect by the way, I always think that 2002 is the best year to mark when the modern internet and digital typography has finally spread enough to be accessible to anyone and change everyone's life, at least here in Hungary. < 1624021617 909412 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would also want to say that that's when everyone started to have mobile phones, but in fact I had had a mobile phone for years by 2002, so nope < 1624021733 865986 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :digital typography has clearly existed before that, but most professional books were still published by traditional typography typeset by typographers who usually don't understand the material, rather than by the authors, or by grad students of the author if they really don't like computers < 1624021770 393231 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the internet existed before 2002 too, and I knew it existed and even used it a little, but it was expensive to connect so most people didn't have the internet. < 1624021809 412553 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was a gradual process, but I want to put a date on it to be specific, so I choose 2002 < 1624021831 248802 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a cousin three weeks older than me. When my cousin was born, my uncle sent a letter to my dad about it. By the time I was born, they both had email. < 1624021874 292172 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my lies for children will say that before 2002, nobody had digital typography or internet or mobile phones, and after 2002 they will, and that if you keep sucking on your thumb your teeth will look ugly like mine and your thumbs will be of unequal length like mine, so don't do that, it's a dirty habit < 1624021922 249238 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: I was raised with washable diapers; by the time my brother was born, my parents had access to use once diapers, so I can put a clear date to that < 1624021940 319181 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: nice, then you can clearly claim that email was a Tanebvention < 1624021986 381036 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It might be a Taneb'scousinvention < 1624022154 448267 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :2002 is when I graduated from high school, that's why it's such a convenient date < 1624022189 710233 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :2002 was when I turned eight < 1624022241 832414 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact now I think of it, my lies to children will also say that 2002 was when the plastic revolution happened, that before 2002 we drank Coca Cola from 0.2 l glass bottles and made sparkling soda water at home from metal cartridges and tap water, but after 2002 we drank Coca Cola from 0.5 l plastic bottles and brought mineral water home in 2 l < 1624022242 330641 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :plastic bottles. It's not even too big of a lie. < 1624022278 52081 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I will admit that nylon hoses started way earlier though < 1624022324 616638 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I can say that nylon and rubber and hard vinyl were basically the only plastics available, and even nylon was expensive and not yet used for bags < 1624022358 119172 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that after 2002 we had soft vinyl (yes, it existed before that, but that's when it got cheap and ubiquitious), polypropilene (likewise), and PET < 1624022373 593847 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also cheap nylon for all sorts of bags < 1624022400 666107 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624022480 77881 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure about plexiglass. It was certainly used for expensive things like airplane windows and digital clocks before 2002, and something similar was used for corrective eyeglasses too, but there weren't tons of cheap LCDs for which we can look whether they had plexiglass or glass screens. < 1624022493 275964 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(admittedly very cheap LCD has neither, it has cheaper plastic covers) < 1624022522 743405 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, does cellulose for analog films count as a plastic? < 1624022558 239363 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know < 1624024643 972387 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624024995 225780 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624027281 207698 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624027284 213844 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1624027299 450715 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi :) < 1624027379 600628 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hey, Koen < 1624027385 266271 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :heey < 1624027390 217627 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :how's it going? < 1624027398 95841 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not too bad < 1624027511 533979 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that the famoux British understatement? < 1624027608 868953 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's definitey British < 1624027615 823463 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure whether it's understatement or not > 1624028257 220679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Struffoli14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84663&oldid=83514 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (-60) 10 < 1624028309 232953 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624028509 103539 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1624028977 159459 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I heard a Bill Bailey bit once riffing on the "not too bad" vs. the "great!" that US folks use instead. < 1624029060 174250 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7d79Knc8p4 < 1624029380 630014 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that's a pretty good summary < 1624029532 294957 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not too bad < 1624029545 493225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(admit it, it had to be said) < 1624029603 263712 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/ < 1624029606 627600 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you read this? < 1624029836 140833 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :From the perspective of someone very passionate about programming and computer science, it looks like an hazard to do such a thing, pass some very early experimental source to a machine you poorly understand, that should generate the expected output, being a matter of life and death < 1624029890 537697 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's got a much more rigourous test suite than most software at least < 1624029948 684805 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the article was written with the intent of reassuring, but to be did the opposite effect heh < 1624029999 678419 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :*to me < 1624030038 127246 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:c9fb:353b:910b:93f4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624030139 336365 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, interesting to see how logical constructs we build in software appear also in our own biological systems < 1624030203 864162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :[O_O]: it's a cool article, and I don't know what's alarming about it? < 1624030277 686582 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing alarming, he describes the process they have used to identify entities in code and how they hacked the cell to let the code be accepted < 1624030376 360504 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It may be worrying *what else* one could do with that Ψ hack. But the Ψ will never be replicated by the body, so it's just another factor that ensures the mRNA doesn't stay around forever < 1624030398 571536 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I agree < 1624030436 161180 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, the repeated tail that's there to count how many times the thing can be executed... < 1624030457 760207 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :if there is a problem and the thing can be read too many times, you have blue screen of death > 1624030524 926684 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84664&oldid=84646 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+243) 10 < 1624030557 426464 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :the is already a study in the public domain that makes a post-mortem on a vaccined corpse, it looks the spike protein was in all organs of the body, so at least in that case I suspect the trail did not work as expected < 1624030678 249671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll call that speculation < 1624030865 766102 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:3067:89d1:b840:4b45 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624031102 579445 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :for sure it is, there is not enough data, and independent research to know < 1624031156 319607 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a decade there will be enough data to say for sure < 1624031258 102805 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :[O_O]: The thing is, in my very limited understanding *presence* of the spike protein everywhere (except probabvly the brain)... is kind of expected. AIUI it enters the blood stream, which is the main arena for immune response. So... it really comes down to quantities. < 1624031312 112441 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :sad to read here in Italy someone dying because of the vaccine every day, recently a young girl died, in the same region where I am a guy in his 50s died after a week of AZ, the family donated the organs, all out of liver and kidneys were totally destroyed, I think that technically is called multiple organ failure < 1624031354 479947 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1624031813 740289 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1624031929 191898 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, they now told AZ should be done only to old people, but some young people did AZ so they now should do PFZ, and so mix the things, huge mess. < 1624032010 305630 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624032057 754581 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:3067:89d1:b840:4b45 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624032089 203364 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, some young people did the first jab of AZ, but now AZ cannot be done to young, so who did already AZ will get PFZ as the second jab. < 1624032264 165496 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :allegedly that results in better immunization, little known about rissk < 1624032267 389338 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :*risks < 1624032299 255513 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :mix all the things < 1624032306 267096 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1624032310 751393 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mixed the real virus and the Pfizer < 1624032322 887597 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm told it results in strong and durable immunization < 1624032458 625032 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :also my mother did pfizer, for now her hair are of the same color < 1624032468 905522 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :ehheh < 1624032499 627835 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :she did not have any big side effect < 1624032565 66893 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :here the vaccination campaign went quite smooth, 2 italians on 3 got at least a jab < 1624033544 739327 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1624034074 232886 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624034595 51244 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:3067:89d1:b840:4b45 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624034703 717271 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624035354 239822 :mistbreeze_!~mistbreez@2600:1700:b7e0:8320:a8d5:bd63:307f:6117 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1624035698 718484 :brainfunnel!~quassel@72.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN #esolangs brainfunnel :_sink < 1624035759 858480 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624036362 126948 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :pfizer changed your mother's hair colour? < 1624037033 720867 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :nono "for now he hair are of the same color" was a stupid joke about unkown potential future side effects, nothing changed, no big side effects < 1624037048 918696 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :she is fine < 1624037155 132193 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624037530 709323 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: The channel is #freeheromesh which is about the puzzle game engine (I supose it might be arguable that the preprocessor especially has some relevance for esoteric programming, although these kind of puzzle games are also those that some people on here have interest in similar things; I don't know if any of that counts). < 1624037637 145438 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :hahahaha < 1624037639 636699 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is OK with me to host the logs on the same domain, or on a different domain; either way is acceptable to me < 1624037651 182928 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I almost wish it'd change my hair color. < 1624037773 580359 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: O, also I do not expect there to be a huge number of messages in that channel > 1624038798 456703 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Column14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84665&oldid=84643 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+0) 10Fixed an typo, "esoretic" to "esoteric" > 1624039072 201088 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Entropy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84666&oldid=83578 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+46) 10/* FizzBuzz */ Fixed the indentation a bit < 1624039091 600845 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :that "esoretic" typo is very funny < 1624039223 650496 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Also, the logs should be publicly listed in the topic message, so either tell me the URL once it is set up, or add it by yourself (if I have done it correctly, you should have access) < 1624039383 311517 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624039526 975161 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Right. Maybe I could just add it to the existing bot, and if it somehow becomes a problem (very unlikely), we can re-think. The URL would likely be https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-freeheromesh/ -- I'll take a look at the configuration in a bit, i just need to commit a lot of recent changes I've made first to keep them separate. < 1624039552 327331 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: OK < 1624039583 250619 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1624040068 558258 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624040201 914917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm... I encouraged [O_O] to stay on #esolangs because they were talking about a bytecode compiler for a toy language. I didn't expect this. < 1624040259 31160 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: wait a moment, aren't you already hosting an always on computer with a web server? why do you need fizzie's help for the IRC logs? < 1624040279 670568 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe you don't have the disk space or something < 1624040344 665587 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :All of #esoteric's 20 years of logs takes up 150 megabytes or so; it's not a very storage-intensive use case. I imagined it was just about the convenience of having a thing that does the logging and the serving and the formatting? < 1624040387 161371 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and here 3hours on AndChat browsing irc from my smartphone takes 60Mb < 1624040395 237437 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf is this app storing < 1624040412 579379 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is not always on; sometimes there is power out, internet problem, being shut off for cleaning or needing rebooting, etc. (If I later host the IRC myself, then I will have it hosting logs myself too.) Also, this allows that in case there are multiple logs being kept in case one doesn't work sometimes. < 1624040584 149486 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Koen: To be fair, it's ~570M uncompressed. But still. < 1624040652 726582 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :570M * 3h / 20y / 60M is still a pretty small number < 1624040927 2873 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs esolangs :esolangs.org < 1624040927 19245 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs < 1624041142 843114 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: ah thanks, that explains it < 1624041143 400735 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624041172 122219 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624041333 42762 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are you today < 1624041335 450626 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops < 1624041353 135242 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wanted to edit that to “how is #esoteric today” afterwards < 1624041377 670440 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well I mean #esolangs < 1624041385 22689 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :*shrug* < 1624041388 790018 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION is fine, thanks < 1624041423 590582 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(as they say, old habits die promptly and new habits do the indistinguishable) < 1624041439 605714 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Not too bad." (I'm trying to integrate to the local culture, and as discussed just recently, that's what you're supposed to say here.) < 1624041468 770388 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what measure do you use when integrating? < 1624041544 270219 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(though approximating integrals over culture sounds more like applied statistics) < 1624041613 620626 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or Seldonian psychohistory, perhaps. > 1624042012 925531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84667&oldid=83887 5* 03Redoverflow 5* (+32) 10 < 1624042148 772300 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry for bothering guys < 1624042196 976333 :[O_O]!~O_O@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PART :#esolangs < 1624042213 739129 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: haha < 1624042551 209808 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624042688 437516 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? #esoteric < 1624042690 148480 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. Currently located in the Atlantis Exclusion Zone. < 1624042855 99241 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624043318 16509 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? libera < 1624043319 744023 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Libera has always been our homeland. The Chännel has been dwelling in it since the beginning of time. Any rumors about another network called "freenode" are compleetely bogus. < 1624043336 958706 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? freenode < 1624043340 159812 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Realm of Freenode used to be our homeland. The Chännel dwelled in it since... Uhm... Quite a few years ago? < 1624043344 278702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? oftc < 1624043345 930401 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :oftc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ > 1624043347 756689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolangs (irc)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84668&oldid=83621 5* 03Fizzie 5* (-486) 10Remove the bits that are no longer relevant. > 1624043407 192899 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fungot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84669&oldid=67852 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+3) 10Also moved. > 1624043411 241643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitbot14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84670 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+1871) 10Created page with "==Overview== '''Bitbot''' is an esolang created on the 18th of June, 2021 by [[User:Toxinite]]. Bitbot programs are used to control a data pointer in an infinite 2d grid of bi..." > 1624043493 776853 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HackEso14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84671&oldid=67581 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+3) 10Also moved. < 1624043828 667897 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@109.70.150.245 JOIN #esolangs chrysanthematic :chrysanthematic > 1624043902 927306 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UNITE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84672 5* 03Redoverflow 5* (+1292) 10Created page with "'''UNITE''' is a pretty small esolang with a little to no purpose. ==Overview== UNITE only consists of two commands, which are explained in the table below. {| class="wikita..." < 1624044201 527469 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624044212 705041 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84673&oldid=84628 5* 03B jonas 5* (+121) 10/* IRC */ > 1624044643 212112 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84674&oldid=84661 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+53) 10added the "EDITORNOTE" instruction > 1624044680 298945 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84675&oldid=84674 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+64) 10added the extra line > 1624044706 213828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84676&oldid=84675 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+80) 10added the other extra line > 1624044843 373866 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84677&oldid=84676 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+0) 10oops > 1624044894 439706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84678&oldid=84677 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+0) 10im so dumb lmao > 1624045071 437549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84679&oldid=84678 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+87) 10added the inf. loop program < 1624045243 509973 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624045307 528023 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@109.70.150.245 QUIT :Quit: chrysanthematic > 1624045608 444488 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84680&oldid=84679 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+755) 10 < 1624046246 937042 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so with this covid thing, I sometimes work from home. every time I have to do that, I pack up the work laptop in my bag, bring it home, put the laptop and accessories onto my desk, plug the docking station into the laptop, plug the power supply to the docking station, plug the power supply to the mains, hit the power button, see that the power led lights up, plug the keyboard into the docking station, < 1624046252 946815 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :plug the wireless mouse dongle to the laptop, turn on the wireless mouse, < 1624046277 159018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :press keys on the keyboard, move the mouse, press keys on the keyboard, move the mouse, wonder why there's no image on the screen, I check that the power light is still on, I wonder again why there's no image on the screen. < 1624046296 29639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's because I DIDN'T CONNECT THE HDMI CABLE TO THE DOCKING STATION, YOU IDIOT. < 1624046300 116941 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the same thing every darned time < 1624046305 412174 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@89.38.69.171 JOIN #esolangs chrysanthematic :chrysanthematic < 1624046329 723571 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this covid thing has been going on for a year and a half. you've brought the laptop home like twenty times. the first two times you made different mistakes, but ever since that, it's been the hdmi cable. < 1624046333 729575 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm just getting old, that's what it is < 1624046518 928374 :warlock!~warlock@c-73-224-231-78.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs warlock :warlock < 1624046581 283538 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@89.38.69.171 CHGHOST ~chrysanth :user/chrysanthematic < 1624046603 885540 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic QUIT :Quit: chrysanthematic < 1624046658 255562 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic JOIN #esolangs chrysanthematic :chrysanthematic < 1624047287 851043 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624047677 106357 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624048135 623501 :jedb!~jedb@89.38.225.44 PART #esolangs :Leaving < 1624048774 937853 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe you should right down a checklist < 1624048968 674068 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: A reminder that I wrote up https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:IRC_cloaks as a potential suggestion of how about/esolangs/* IRC cloaks could be divvied up. < 1624049042 486722 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: there are multiple cloaks I would like and I'm being a bit of a Buridan's Ass about the whole thing < 1624049092 553067 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( everything/inventor/taneb ) < 1624049114 17647 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's reasonable enough, just wanted to make sure you didn't miss that. > 1624049154 14721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Inverted14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84681 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+3400) 10Created page with "Inverted is an esoteric programming language written by Dominicentek in Java. It's code is written line-by-line, and executed from bottom to top. It's very similar to Brainfuc..." < 1624049156 612533 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :did somebody say ass > 1624049167 952004 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Inverted14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84682&oldid=84681 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-10) 10 < 1624049230 854179 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that if you are going to make cloaks, it could be allowed for anyone who has made at least one edit on the wiki and uses the wiki user name as the cloak name (it doesn't matter what edit, as long as it is not one that is then reverted right away because it is no good) < 1624049258 292828 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I thought the nickserv username has to be in the cloak < 1624049285 764267 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah, Wikipedia cloaks are wiki usernames AIUI. < 1624049348 219462 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: If so, then require the usernames to match. < 1624049355 855275 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh... I wonder how they encode the wiki usernames, those can contain like almost all character except control characters and ten or so reserved ones > 1624049380 445295 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sknebel 5* 10New user account < 1624049387 748182 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and, in particular, [ is valid in an irc nick but not in a wiki username > 1624049394 712537 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Inverted14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84683&oldid=84682 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+66) 10Added categories < 1624049412 48923 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :My preference would allow you to choose between your (Esolangs) wiki username (translated into a cloak-eligible form in any generally reasonable manner) or your IRC nickname (or I guess NickServ account name, which for most is the same), but not anything completely arbitrary. < 1624049415 203299 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and hostnames are even more restricted < 1624049424 251105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the point is, some wiki usernames don't even have any ascii chracter > 1624049432 810689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:IRC cloaks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84684&oldid=83836 5* 03Taneb 5* (+77) 10Request a cloak < 1624049435 498627 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well I guess there's always punycode or something < 1624049443 661429 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I have decided to request a cloak > 1624049454 385244 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84685&oldid=84363 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+15) 10 < 1624049467 327835 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: and I guess you won't give me the same cloak that someone else has if I register their irc nick on the wiki or the other way < 1624049474 319018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because that would be silly < 1624049499 641215 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I guess that would be a reasonable rule too. > 1624049503 736677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84686&oldid=84662 5* 03Sknebel 5* (+203) 10add myself < 1624049512 828034 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :O, those are also a valid point, although it is too late now I would have disallowed non-ASCII characters in wiki user names, since it can cause problems with homoglyphs < 1624049567 215938 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Cloaks "Name conflicts will be handled on a case-by-case basis." I don't imagine it would really become a problem for us, because there aren't that many people interested I think. < 1624049608 822769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep. I don't actually want a cloak. < 1624049643 839557 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if I wanted a cloak, I would prefer an unaffiliated one (I know it's not called that anymore, but still) > 1624049805 401047 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Zelah 5* 10New user account < 1624049930 752205 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: You didn't do the "Keep the "example" record at the bottom of the table for others" bit, but that really doesn't matter. :) < 1624049978 18724 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I figured there's a small chance that that was an actual person, and it'd be rude to skip the queue in front of them < 1624049996 113510 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's no queue, really < 1624050004 918678 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie's collecting a batch to be processed all at once < 1624050023 800674 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, the IP I use for email has somehow made it to the Spamhaus blocklist. :/ One of those new user registration confirmation emails just bounced because of that. < 1624050059 880445 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The listing details don't really mention my specific IP, but I guess it's possible they've blocked a larger range of DigitalOcean addresses. < 1624050083 155113 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, it's a /23. < 1624050308 429674 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a book of philosophy of mathematics. It mentions some things including naturalism, Platonism, and also classical and intuitionistic logic. One thing that they say is: do classical and intuitionistic logicians mean the same thing? Is one correct and the other wrong, or both wrong? Is there a disagreement about truth? But, my own opinion is: Absolute truth is inexpressible. < 1624050749 473580 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624050851 27123 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I would point out three things. First, there's a theorem, Tarski's Undefinability of Truth, which agrees with your opinion. It makes some assumptions about numbers though. < 1624050985 212263 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Second, the Law of Excluded Middle (LEM) is not true in all settings, and it's the main difference between constructive and non-constructive logics. So the place where we're trying to use the results of our logical reasoning (sets, spaces, etc.) alters the truthiness of some of our axioms. < 1624051050 508804 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Third, there's a bridge between the typical constructive approach and the typical Boolean approach; we can reuse constructive proofs in Boolean contexts, and we can use https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/double+negation+translation to go the other way. < 1624051415 160059 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I do know of the double negation translation and Law of Excluded Middle and that stuff > 1624051464 344223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84687&oldid=83837 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+660) 10 < 1624051519 538364 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, excellent. It makes sense that folks here might be initiated into esoterica. < 1624051687 803862 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also, I think the double negation translation is also related to continuation monad) < 1624051824 851019 :mistbreeze!~mistbreez@99-135-60-89.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN #esolangs mistbreeze :jessica < 1624052707 687413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1624053236 319006 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitbot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84688&oldid=84670 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+438) 10Mild improvements + stub and WIP templates < 1624053432 17034 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, it is. It's a deep mystery. > 1624053461 478480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84689&oldid=84638 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+13) 10Added Bitbot < 1624053525 869884 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624053994 391950 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1624054036 823528 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624054041 140955 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :to prove "P or not P": first assert "not P", then if someone calls your bluff by providing a proof of P, use a continuation to go back in time and assert P was true all along < 1624054048 553367 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I find this deeply amusing < 1624054064 22948 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :fake! < 1624054080 975154 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can't just go back in time < 1624054130 262763 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can't really, but you can do something that looks like it with continuations < 1624054156 819106 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can formalize and typecheck the above recipe for proving "P or not P" given a call/cc operator (whose type corresponds to Pierce's Law) < 1624054308 231853 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had preferred a different variant which is "law of excluded middle continuations" (lem/cc), although they can be implemented from each other < 1624054310 659831 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :@type callCC (\k -> return $ Left (\x -> k $ Right x)) < 1624054311 959455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :MonadCont m => m (Either (b1 -> m b2) b1) < 1624054380 324173 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :within Haskell you can think of the Cont monad as a logic operator which means "classically true" as opposed to the default meaning of types, "constructively true" < 1624054396 445877 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: what is the type of lem/cc? < 1624054473 618685 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :m b2 ? < 1624054479 897632 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: It is the same as that one, I think < 1624054501 935631 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :@type callCC (\k -> return $ Left (\x -> k =<< Right x)) < 1624054503 431542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :error: < 1624054503 521325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : • Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: < 1624054503 521362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : a1 ~ Either (a1 -> Either a b0) b1 < 1624054986 806936 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1624055616 637000 :Koen!~Koen@124.251.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1624056187 157545 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic JOIN #esolangs chrysanthematic :chrysanthematic < 1624058303 663014 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: let's specialize to m = Cont and rename the other variables, giving Cont (Either (a -> Cont b) a) < 1624058336 263321 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :"for all propositions a,b, it is classically true that either a implies b, or a is true" < 1624058355 319856 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :since b does not appear anywhere else this boils down to "either a implies everything, or a is true" < 1624058376 780267 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and "a implies everything" is just a more explicit way to write "not a" (in both classical and constructive logic) < 1624058422 697727 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic QUIT :Quit: chrysanthematic < 1624058430 870461 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that's the law of the excluded middle < 1624058523 579246 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought the law of the excluded middle was the policeman joke, the one about four policeman arguing about who gets the window seats in the police car. < 1624058573 499459 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't know that one < 1624058629 69556 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's no more to it < 1624058708 243403 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see > 1624058889 745127 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84690&oldid=84680 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+109) 10added the VSCode extension for syntax highlighting > 1624058910 584037 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84691&oldid=84690 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+2) 10im an idiot < 1624058946 175394 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic JOIN #esolangs chrysanthematic :chrysanthematic < 1624059246 119837 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1624060128 561016 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitbot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84692&oldid=84688 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10/* Commands */ Categorize > 1624060274 65553 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84693&oldid=84667 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 107 > 1624060866 277540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Epistemic logic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84694&oldid=45443 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+85) 10External cats < 1624060874 878821 :brainfunnel!~quassel@72.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net PART #esolangs :thanks, bye! < 1624060915 720946 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do folks have thoughts about e-graphs for optimization, as in https://egraphs-good.github.io/ ? < 1624061890 157415 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1624062100 579845 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOTE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84695&oldid=84470 5* 03ResU 5* (+179) 10added section > 1624066355 825859 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84696 5* 03Rphii 5* (+13057) 10Created < 1624066546 488338 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess they're popular in SMT solvers? > 1624066691 391871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84697&oldid=84696 5* 03Rphii 5* (-65) 10removed unimplemented thought > 1624066873 416083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84698&oldid=84697 5* 03Rphii 5* (+13) 10fixed description from being a 2D array to a one dimensional array > 1624067018 818756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84699&oldid=84698 5* 03Rphii 5* (+81) 10added "golden ratio" program > 1624067086 259749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84700&oldid=84689 5* 03Rphii 5* (+9) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ > 1624067538 445152 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rphii14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84701&oldid=84621 5* 03Rphii 5* (+4) 10 < 1624068031 143837 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1624073513 332083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 034D4850 5* 10New user account < 1624073705 763500 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624073717 199138 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624073778 577039 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1624073888 301380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84702&oldid=84686 5* 034D4850 5* (+130) 10/* Introductions */ > 1624076134 101283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84703 5* 034D4850 5* (+2143) 10Created page with "processor.txt was made by Miles Poland, on Friday, June 18, 2021. It is inspired by the RISC style of processors, hence the name. The .txt part is because the original specs w..." > 1624076181 817294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84704&oldid=84703 5* 034D4850 5* (+12) 10/* Example Programs */ < 1624077147 506601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1624077384 502509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84705&oldid=84704 5* 034D4850 5* (+18) 10/* References */ > 1624077525 673807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84706&oldid=84705 5* 034D4850 5* (+50) 10 > 1624077590 803624 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84707&oldid=84706 5* 034D4850 5* (+0) 10 > 1624077798 471982 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84708&oldid=84700 5* 034D4850 5* (+20) 10/* P */ > 1624079426 623223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/n-Genus Graph Embedding14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84709&oldid=84618 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+2081) 10/* Examples */ Befunge Petersen graph embedding > 1624083426 933646 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84710&oldid=84594 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+111) 10/* Befunk */ Added link > 1624083565 233608 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84711&oldid=82367 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+111) 10/* Hello world */ LifeViewer link < 1624083961 443685 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1624084467 401781 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84712&oldid=82806 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+88) 10 < 1624084554 714345 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624087339 27705 :Koen!~Koen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624087455 917713 :warlock_!~warlock@c-73-224-231-78.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :warlock < 1624087483 718695 :warlock!~warlock@c-73-224-231-78.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624087735 989860 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1624088559 327803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Richienb 5* 10New user account < 1624088781 597613 :Koen!~Koen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624089994 492632 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624090165 445333 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624090270 587775 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest86 < 1624093099 239917 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624093316 295997 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624093483 556334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TartanLlama 5* 10New user account > 1624093624 250129 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84713&oldid=84702 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+185) 10 < 1624093991 137318 :Oshawott!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624094300 573220 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1624094423 400507 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TartanLlama14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84714 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+85) 10Created page with "You can find the languages I have created at [https://github.com/tartanllama GitHub]." > 1624094440 396643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vizh14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84715 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+380) 10Created page with "'''vizh''' is a visual [[esoteric programming language]] that takes image files as input and is based on a multi-tape [[Turing machine]]. It is designed for compatibility with..." > 1624094601 957627 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03TartanLlama 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Memcopy vizh.png10]]" < 1624094748 81398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1624094753 1823 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03TartanLlama 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Memcopy vizh parser output.png10]]" > 1624094783 816707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03PolySaken 5* 10New user account > 1624095081 911244 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84718&oldid=84713 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+169) 10/* Introductions */ < 1624095905 798106 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624096742 169230 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest86 > 1624096784 963472 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PolySaken14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84719 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+236) 10Created page with "I'm PolySaken, a programmer for 10 years and a recent appreciator of esoteric programming. My Esolangs: * Clart, not worth putting on the wiki - [https://github.com/PolySaken..." > 1624096794 653555 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84720&oldid=84708 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+42) 10/* E */ > 1624096813 20578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03TartanLlama 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Seekclosbr.png10]]" > 1624096859 293109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vizh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84722&oldid=84715 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+5898) 10 < 1624096942 851089 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624097125 894215 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vizh14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84723&oldid=84722 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+14) 10 > 1624097204 354494 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84724&oldid=84720 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+11) 10Add vizh < 1624097237 545259 :warlock_!~warlock@c-73-224-231-78.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :warlock > 1624097300 537313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84725 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+2201) 10Created page with "'''Excellerated''' meaning 'made excel-like', in reference to microsoft excel's grid layout. ==Overview== In ESTML, the program must be set out in a grid constructed like so..." < 1624097310 994688 :warlock!~warlock@c-73-224-231-78.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PART :#esolangs < 1624097345 22918 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624097779 888924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84726&oldid=84725 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+16) 10 > 1624097958 420344 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitbot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84727&oldid=84692 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+386) 10 < 1624098283 169007 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1624099865 974306 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84728&oldid=84726 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+75) 10 < 1624101201 856343 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624101422 115086 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624101427 504527 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic JOIN #esolangs chrysanthematic :chrysanthematic < 1624102208 990996 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624104160 648250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84729&oldid=84707 5* 034D4850 5* (+140) 10/* Instruction set */ > 1624104272 869697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84730&oldid=84729 5* 034D4850 5* (+25) 10/* Example Programs */ < 1624104518 89588 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking about Voronoi based image compression fwe years ago < 1624104522 424790 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*few < 1624104578 920481 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but looks like someone has implemented it https://github.com/eustas/2im < 1624104638 125853 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my mistake was in trying to make it all at once while in his format it looks like each iteration doesn't move previous iteration borders < 1624104648 492337 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I couldn't find a word "voronoi" in repo > 1624104896 941484 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84731&oldid=84730 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10Remove unneeded code tags, cat < 1624104954 181945 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1624105139 142383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84732&oldid=84699 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-101) 10Lower the title to fix title < 1624105179 520664 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :🨂🨆🨩🨊🨿🨡🩆🨂 < 1624105309 640517 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, still need to fix that recent-change feed's filtering some day, it should likely pass valid printable UTF-8 through. As it is, some page titles like Φ/φ just disappear completely. > 1624105339 809029 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84733&oldid=84732 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+69) 10/* Golden Ratio */ Categories > 1624105978 363898 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sticks and Stones14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84734&oldid=62862 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+72) 10/* External resources */ CatS < 1624106185 998297 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1624106279 577201 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tttt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84735&oldid=70995 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+95) 10/* programs */ Categorize > 1624106803 677159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Enjamb14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84736 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+7966) 10Created page with "Enjamb is an [[esoteric programming language]] where it's not what's in your lines that matters it's where you break them. It was created in 2019 by [[User:TartanLlama]]...." > 1624106825 538225 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Enjamb14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84737&oldid=84736 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+1) 10Fix category > 1624106855 116635 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84738&oldid=84724 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+13) 10Add enjamb > 1624106903 664346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TartanLlama14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84739&oldid=84714 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+36) 10 < 1624107652 80975 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic QUIT :Quit: chrysanthematic > 1624107964 432711 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitbot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84740&oldid=84727 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+268) 10Mild changes < 1624108186 243771 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1624108355 214065 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:DoFor14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84741 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+248) 10/* Forward jumping */ new section > 1624108460 434919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DoFor14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84742&oldid=84544 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10/* interpreter download: */ Cats > 1624108509 577521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:DoFor14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84743&oldid=84741 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10Feature? > 1624110149 85288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84744&oldid=84738 5* 03ResU 5* (+13) 10added Turkey < 1624111678 350130 :Koen_!~Koen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624111693 940776 :Koen_!~Koen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624111711 552999 :Koen!~Koen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624111882 672484 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Fohc14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84745 5* 03Ais523 5* (+555) 10musings on the computational class < 1624112110 410276 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624112181 798930 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Quit: Switching servers < 1624112205 373916 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 NICK :Deewiant < 1624112500 173388 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1624112537 87600 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84746&oldid=84731 5* 034D4850 5* (+105) 10/* Example Programs */ > 1624112585 271301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84747&oldid=84746 5* 034D4850 5* (+107) 10/* Instruction set */ > 1624112613 127336 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84748&oldid=84747 5* 034D4850 5* (-32) 10/* Printing my username (has to be run with command line switch "-a", once I patch that into the repo): */ < 1624112905 743129 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624113196 675508 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1624113956 578631 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Self-modifying esolang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84749 5* 03ResU 5* (+1240) 10added esolang > 1624114003 497960 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Self-modifying esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84750&oldid=84749 5* 03ResU 5* (+12) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1624114082 447449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Self-modifying esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84751&oldid=84750 5* 03ResU 5* (+25) 10/* insert.command(insert.command(x)) */ > 1624114181 882928 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fohc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84752&oldid=84602 5* 03ResU 5* (-1) 10typo fix > 1624114369 935178 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84753&oldid=84748 5* 03ResU 5* (+0) 10typo fix > 1624114699 806683 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Self-modifying esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84754&oldid=84751 5* 03ResU 5* (+41) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1624114929 611689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Self-modifying esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84755&oldid=84754 5* 03ResU 5* (+28) 10added another category < 1624115207 261747 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624115592 329954 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624115711 175698 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1624115734 444585 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1624116034 406928 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turkey14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84756&oldid=84464 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+187) 10/* Truth machine */ Cats/implementation > 1624116090 250096 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turkey14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84757&oldid=84756 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-118) 10/* Implementation */ undo < 1624117097 247873 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1624118152 784414 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turkey14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84758&oldid=84757 5* 03ResU 5* (+101) 10added truth machine > 1624118182 573237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turkey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84759&oldid=84758 5* 03ResU 5* (+11) 10/* Truth machine */ < 1624118821 102941 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-91.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624119540 773812 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic JOIN #esolangs chrysanthematic :chrysanthematic < 1624119597 497110 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic QUIT :Client Quit < 1624119760 818147 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624119803 220839 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1624119819 275073 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic JOIN #esolangs chrysanthematic :chrysanthematic < 1624120114 168109 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest86 < 1624120843 551888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1624121230 656757 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84760&oldid=84733 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10 < 1624121430 519045 :mistbreeze!~mistbreez@99-135-60-89.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624121632 107594 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found compilers and interpreters on discord, I will come back when my beard will be whiter and longer < 1624121661 297138 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PRIVMSG #esolangs :see u all :) < 1624121677 525932 :Guest86!~Guest86@93-38-48-227.ip69.fastwebnet.it PART :#esolangs > 1624121877 67032 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84761&oldid=84760 5* 03Rphii 5* (+723) 10Extended specifications slightly < 1624121899 395874 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624121910 730429 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :WUW > 1624122029 85222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84762&oldid=84761 5* 03Rphii 5* (+7) 10/* terminating */ make the description more defined < 1624122045 921413 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624122205 89494 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :weew < 1624123196 276184 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624123980 295102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Li1I14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84763 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+3445) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} '''li1I''' is a domain-specific programming language for integer calculations. It supports recursive functions, conditional execution, and expresses arithmetic i..." > 1624124079 520858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84764&oldid=84538 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+140) 10Add li1I < 1624124132 12150 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://inference.org.uk/itprnn/book.pdf < 1624124135 316246 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :is anyone interested in this book? > 1624124179 865311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TartanLlama14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84765&oldid=84739 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+264) 10 > 1624124267 839038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Enjamb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84766&oldid=84737 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+17) 10Move example to top of page < 1624124460 843678 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic QUIT :Quit: chrysanthematic < 1624125458 184970 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1624126194 407528 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624126218 444729 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624126908 555014 :Koen!~Koen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1624127240 272856 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84767&oldid=84691 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+9) 10changed the def. > 1624127248 817521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03LemonChad 5* 10New user account > 1624127419 801035 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84768&oldid=84767 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+0) 10oopsie again > 1624127478 540109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84769&oldid=84718 5* 03LemonChad 5* (+201) 10/* Introductions */ < 1624127722 724831 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624127770 351787 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624127931 147069 :Koen!~Koen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624128154 715820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Self-modifying esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84770&oldid=84755 5* 03ResU 5* (+4) 10typo fix > 1624128210 499091 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ants14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84771 5* 03LemonChad 5* (+389) 10Created page with " Ants is an esolang based all around ants and controlling them with pheromones. 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ZZZzzz… < 1624131094 71730 :variable!~someone@user/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full > 1624132868 252444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Toxinite14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84777&oldid=84347 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+12) 10Added Bitbot < 1624133372 333730 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624133516 816840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forwards14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84778&oldid=84550 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+44) 10/* Overview */ > 1624133532 99249 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Toxinite14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84779&oldid=84777 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+20) 10 > 1624133658 521640 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forwards14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84780&oldid=84778 5* 03S1(210) 5* (-9) 10/* Composition of Lambdas */ > 1624133679 71921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Toxinite14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84781&oldid=84779 5* 03Toxinite 5* (-20) 10Undo revision 84779 by [[Special:Contributions/Toxinite|Toxinite]] ([[User talk:Toxinite|talk]]) < 1624133968 466606 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624133971 455748 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Li1I14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84782&oldid=84763 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (+8) 10 > 1624134003 387329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Li1I14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84783&oldid=84782 5* 03TartanLlama 5* (-1) 10 > 1624134111 688430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ants14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84784&oldid=84771 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+104) 10Cat stub < 1624137888 771585 :chrysanthematic!~chrysanth@user/chrysanthematic QUIT :Quit: chrysanthematic < 1624139054 239344 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in > 1624139064 287885 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forwards14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84785&oldid=84780 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+1) 10Amended the word mathmatical to mathematical. < 1624139217 861651 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1624139289 45031 :imode!~imode@user/imode NICK :ch0de < 1624139310 212395 :ch0de!~imode@user/imode NICK :kronk < 1624139383 483444 :kronk!~imode@user/imode NICK :rusted-root < 1624139537 658451 :rusted-root!~imode@user/imode NICK :imode > 1624139708 851758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:About14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84786&oldid=76166 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (-10) 10Substituted the hyperlink target leading to the Bytemark site, seemingly not extant anymore, with the URL of its home page. < 1624139899 510108 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-199-085.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1 < 1624140499 214474 :Koen!~Koen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1624140877 158978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1624140959 653043 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: Thanks! < 1624141162 242793 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624141486 251645 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624142141 367750 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624142257 347405 :user3456!~user3456@user/user3456 JOIN #esolangs user3456 :user3456 < 1624142441 25788 :user3456!~user3456@user/user3456 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624142506 838425 :warlock!~warlock@kryogeniks.dev JOIN #esolangs warlock :warlock < 1624142558 60792 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 JOIN #esolangs user3456 :user3456 < 1624142575 394498 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624142785 243768 :imode!~imode@user/imode NICK :sugmanuts < 1624142787 491061 :sugmanuts!~imode@user/imode NICK :imode > 1624142868 803541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AllSeerEye 5* 10New user account < 1624142906 184700 :imode!~imode@user/imode NICK :keep_m_fuck_trol < 1624142909 542927 :keep_m_fuck_trol!~imode@user/imode NICK :imode > 1624143324 583444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84787&oldid=84753 5* 034D4850 5* (-11) 10/* Cat program: */ < 1624143389 785886 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624143585 604328 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624144229 400849 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624145377 195517 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624146651 697783 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1624147853 71932 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Self-modifying esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84788&oldid=84773 5* 03ResU 5* (+14) 10/* Hello, world! */ > 1624148947 486311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Self-modifying esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84789&oldid=84788 5* 03ResU 5* (+206) 10added example > 1624149011 975719 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Self-modifying esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84790&oldid=84789 5* 03ResU 5* (+55) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */ > 1624149068 333796 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/n-Genus Graph Embedding14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84791&oldid=84709 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+367) 10/* Python, Petersen graph embedding */ Compact Python < 1624149754 172877 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-199-085.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar < 1624151360 75886 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624151398 507304 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1624152026 651950 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624152073 722819 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN #esolangs dbohdan :ZNC - https://znc.in > 1624157598 498085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/n-Genus Graph Embedding14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84792&oldid=84791 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+374) 10/* Compact Python */ Desargues Graph > 1624157630 325245 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/n-Genus Graph Embedding14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84793&oldid=84792 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+15) 10/* Funge-98 */ < 1624158259 991611 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:3067:89d1:b840:4b45 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624158455 770503 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does the rules of Magic: the Gathering now includes copies from database? < 1624159495 278517 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e147:257c:4e25:da17 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624160115 622517 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624160262 746531 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624160263 169031 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1624161447 674562 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03JUSTANITALIANGUY 5* 10New user account < 1624161524 190797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( ALOUDITALIANHOWSTEREOTYPICAL ) < 1624164782 821253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1624164952 259737 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :underrated comment. < 1624165064 113923 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net NICK :ox- < 1624166654 614157 :ox-!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net NICK :mnrmnaugh < 1624170001 499630 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there should be a special clipboard-compatible/related data format for copypasting chat logs < 1624170033 897673 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when you copypaste logs of youtube/twitch/irc/some_social_network whatever < 1624170074 223866 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has to be pasted not as a png screenshot but as how you want it to be formatted, with stupid dark color scheme, more or less compact lines, etc. < 1624170220 438377 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*how addressee wants it to be formatted < 1624170469 342498 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also people should be fined when they screenshot things that could be just sopypasted as a text) < 1624172820 182775 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc > 1624172942 282 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Processor.txt14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84794 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+310) 10Created page with "== Incorrect Operation Descriptions == % and _ have the wrong descriptions. They differ from the reference implementation as well as the first exampl..." > 1624173138 461967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:99 bottles of beer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84795&oldid=76912 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+202) 10/* List of programs */ > 1624173336 982462 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84796&oldid=84787 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-16) 10 < 1624173464 494416 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :^[, yes it seems good! < 1624173469 361835 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i started reading http://inference.org.uk/itprnn/book.pdf < 1624173488 843059 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have always heard the the information theory facts but never really the proofs > 1624173918 924858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84797&oldid=84664 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+4466) 10/* Examples */ < 1624174030 726950 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624176230 226573 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624176402 97000 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course IRC already has a format, although it doesn't include timestamps, but there are extended formats that include timestamps too if wanted. I fail to see what the colour scheme has anything to do with it though; it is plain text and doesn't have a colour scheme. < 1624176439 444690 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624176592 439373 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624178802 987811 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624181041 410741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624181954 76504 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624182032 110059 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://inference.org.uk/itprnn/book.pdf < 1624182043 405348 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would say that page 27 of the PDF, which is marked page 15 inside the PDF is of particular interest < 1624182051 46221 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :Figure 1.19. in particular < 1624182404 546470 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :section 2.4 page 32 in the PDF, page 44 of the PDF defines shannon information if anyone wants to jump in there < 1624182409 150778 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it does not explain why yet > 1624182678 532269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84798&oldid=84762 5* 03Rphii 5* (-103) 10/* Examples */ simplified truth machine by using the mode < 1624182741 598738 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624182771 652554 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624185474 923369 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624185683 734143 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07What's the dog doin?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84799&oldid=84547 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+1130) 10Clarifications and more examples < 1624195186 680044 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1624195227 724790 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624195563 384558 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim NICK :Trieste < 1624199719 150521 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1624203280 432801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitbot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84800&oldid=84774 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+168) 10 < 1624203982 300079 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver > 1624204895 194552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84801&oldid=84796 5* 034D4850 5* (+417) 10/* Printing my username (has to be run with command line switch "-a"): */ Added explanation of a printing block. < 1624206302 158273 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624206349 556378 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1624209419 68542 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie > 1624209456 584245 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84802&oldid=84801 5* 034D4850 5* (+223) 10 > 1624209585 762769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84803&oldid=84802 5* 034D4850 5* (+20) 10/* Computational Class */ > 1624209636 348056 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84804&oldid=84803 5* 034D4850 5* (-6) 10/* References */ > 1624209686 297034 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84805&oldid=84804 5* 034D4850 5* (+50) 10/* Computational Class */ > 1624210038 476552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Godencode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84806&oldid=84606 5* 03Plasmath 5* (+13927) 10added squaring and fixed some code < 1624211714 594188 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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And what does DATA mean? */ < 1624216109 221283 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1624216135 42298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D imensional14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84817&oldid=84815 5* 03ResU 5* (+41) 10added category > 1624216308 651955 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Processor.txt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84818&oldid=84816 5* 034D4850 5* (+27) 10/* Computational Class */ < 1624216461 294937 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :what formal treatments of transport triggered architectures exist? > 1624216632 186705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D imensional14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84819&oldid=84817 5* 03ResU 5* (+61) 10added example < 1624216773 459832 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624216776 759534 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UToober14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84820&oldid=84768 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+12) 10engrish is hrad < 1624217189 947080 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624217270 195650 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1624217368 111974 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! > 1624217469 440565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D imensional14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84821&oldid=84819 5* 03ResU 5* (+290) 10/* Commands */ > 1624217495 329171 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D imensional14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84822&oldid=84821 5* 03ResU 5* (-1) 10/* Commands */ > 1624217514 577482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D imensional14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84823&oldid=84822 5* 03ResU 5* (+2) 10/* Commands */ > 1624218948 165216 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitbot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84824&oldid=84800 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+294) 10 < 1624220019 991398 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had once designed schematics for a transport triggered architecture, although at the time I did not know that it was called that. < 1624220058 559235 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some registers had side effects on read or on write or both, and one register was always read back as the bitwise complement of the data written to that register. < 1624220157 386138 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It was also harvard) < 1624221470 170818 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624222717 460806 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: imode: ah, interesting! A couple of Soviet programmable calculator architectures had registers which increment/decrement values in them when read. Though I don’t remember particulars. I think it was on those which had eggogology < 1624222751 723648 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven’t got my hand on any of them personally < 1624222817 667503 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and now I have a computer with those fancy esoteric languages hosted so there’s no need to learn the command set of those calculator families < 1624223003 366071 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624223178 53191 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's interesting in concept because the idea of source -> dest doesn't need to just be between memory adresses, but processes. < 1624223211 24677 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm imagining an FSA where the transitions are labeled with source -> dest pairs. < 1624223232 650889 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :with some kind of boolean flag as a result. < 1624223236 639962 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :"is this send possible". < 1624223244 24405 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :or "is this communication possible". > 1624223631 476565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Qoibl14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84825 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+218) 10Created page with "== Suggestion == Instead of rr x rr y rr, while loops should be rr x re y rr to allow for nested while loops. - ~~~~" > 1624224190 130089 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Qoibl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84826&oldid=84825 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+83) 10/* Suggestion */ > 1624224473 261738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Qoibl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84827&oldid=84826 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-83) 10/* Suggestion */ < 1624225486 147702 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :[https://kiwiirc.com] salpynx < 1624226344 744745 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624226550 146391 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624227127 174099 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624227147 579807 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624230707 550416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1624234567 608856 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* 10New user account < 1624236170 149482 :Sgeo|mibbit!18b9875e@ircip1.mibbit.com JOIN #esolangs * :ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net < 1624236189 748505 :Sgeo|mibbit!18b9875e@ircip1.mibbit.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1624237559 287331 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38 clipboard isn't necessary plain text, it can have rich text; it just needs even more rich text that would represent a portion of chat/comments with standard attributes like nickname, userpic, timestamp, message; the message may be a nested picture < 1624239116 486717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :the trouble is there are too many standards https://xkcd.com/927/ < 1624239586 81195 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PART #esolangs :Leaving < 1624239595 202605 :mnrmnaughmnrgle!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname > 1624239663 835436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84828&oldid=84798 5* 03Rphii 5* (+1686) 10/* Examples */ added "Hello, World!" program < 1624239739 546875 :mnrmnaughmnrgle!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624239759 192811 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname > 1624239820 174076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84829&oldid=84828 5* 03Rphii 5* (+146) 10/* [variable] */ clarified > 1624240768 944553 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84830&oldid=84829 5* 03Rphii 5* (+156) 10/* Hello, world! */ fixed a small mistake < 1624240851 487888 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624240857 377812 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The different one are good for a different purposes, maybe, although sometimes some are just no good anyways, or they have various problems, advantages/disadvantages, etc < 1624240901 649357 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox > 1624241411 617931 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TheYoungestCoder 5* 10New user account > 1624246297 718538 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Qoibl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84831&oldid=84641 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+0) 10 < 1624246536 218272 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624246609 586860 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1624246610 161796 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1624248002 248634 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1624248015 995630 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:900d:ae1b:5c93:aaee JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624248157 141198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1624248159 883059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Qoibl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84832&oldid=84831 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+14) 10 < 1624248177 671414 :user3456_!user3456@user/user3456 JOIN #esolangs user3456 :user3456 > 1624248314 617223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Qoibl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84833&oldid=84832 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+20) 10 < 1624248576 482643 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624248576 743843 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e147:257c:4e25:da17 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624248576 743888 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624248577 996937 :user3456_!user3456@user/user3456 NICK :user3456 > 1624248939 523902 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Qoibl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84834&oldid=84833 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-26) 10 > 1624249339 830994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Qoibl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84835&oldid=84834 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+101) 10 > 1624250361 749324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mecaneer23 5* 10New user account > 1624250573 327893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84836&oldid=84769 5* 03Mecaneer23 5* (+221) 10/* Introductions */ > 1624250756 559730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84837&oldid=84836 5* 03Mecaneer23 5* (+0) 10/* Introductions */ > 1624253173 523038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bin-snake14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84838 5* 03Mecaneer23 5* (+702) 10Created page with "Bin-snake is a Python wrapper, in Binary. Bin-snake converts a Bin-snake file (.bs) to Python code, and then executes it to Python. ===Writing Bin-snake=== With an understand..." > 1624253225 339329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bin-snake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84839&oldid=84838 5* 03Mecaneer23 5* (+8) 10/* Running Bin-snake */ > 1624253242 239149 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bin-snake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84840&oldid=84839 5* 03Mecaneer23 5* (+0) 10/* Running Bin-snake */ > 1624253282 437478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bin-snake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84841&oldid=84840 5* 03Mecaneer23 5* (+0) 10/* Running Bin-snake */ > 1624253298 475953 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bin-snake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84842&oldid=84841 5* 03Mecaneer23 5* (-10) 10/* Running Bin-snake */ > 1624253398 521621 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84843&oldid=84744 5* 03Mecaneer23 5* (+16) 10/* B */ < 1624254271 632672 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624254373 951129 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you like the Cistercian numbers? I think that there could be some improvements, such as the sign of 6 is no good and is better to make the sign of 6 to reverse the sign of 5, and also I can suggest to make place value of myriads, alternating upright (the low palce) and 90 degrees counterclockwise < 1624254613 647110 :archenoth!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1624255840 636843 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624257738 636453 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624258041 623050 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624259302 550414 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624261602 314540 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :How strong is the connection between computing prefix sums and adding numbers with carry? < 1624261610 36291 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :There seems to be a lot of similarity. < 1624261711 1126 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Specifically, a prefix sum takes n elements and produces n+1 elements, where the last output is like the carry. < 1624261731 44627 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or you can say it takes n+1 and returns n+1, where the first input is added to every value (instead of having the first output be 0). < 1624261782 236177 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :There seem to be connections between the fast parallel scan algorithms and the addition algorithms. < 1624261792 729132 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though I don't really know all the fancy ways people make n-bit adders. < 1624261821 855598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure whether this extends beyond the fact that monoids are involved < 1624261875 59788 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the monoid in the adder case? 2-bit numbers? < 1624261892 879790 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And addition, I mean.) < 1624261914 834153 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It seems like there's a pretty strong connection between the kinds of algorithms you can do. < 1624261964 314061 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You have similar concerns with the total depth (where input carry->output carry, or computing the total output sum, is probably your longest path). < 1624261987 511906 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :And you can do the thing where you split the thing into chunks and then connect them up to reduce the depth. < 1624262409 692153 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony < 1624262546 797761 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a neat way of calculating & updating prefix sums with fenwick trees, but you might be familiar with them already < 1624262578 461742 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Well, the monoid I have in mind is a bit weird: it uses pairs (b, d) where b is a base, and n is a digit. And the operation is (b, d) <> (b', d') = (b*b', d*b' + d'). So this doesn't do addition; it represents base 2 numbers as (2, d[n-1]) <> (2, d[n-2]) <> ... <> (2, d[0]). < 1624262591 163702 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I was just thinking of binary numbers. < 1624262602 718448 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sort of familiar but not in detail. < 1624262639 276261 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it different from the thing you get with a binary tree where you store summaries in the branches? < 1624262652 911057 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or is it a way of storing the branch summaries compactly with implicit layout? < 1624262654 18136 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So what you can do to do addition is to split each d into its bits and a carry. And then you can regroup and do case analysis on the incoming carries and derive all the cool carry propagation/carry prediction stuff. < 1624262724 344305 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: yeah, it's just that I think, usually with the binary tree implemented compactly the usual way for dense power-of-two binary trees < 1624262739 184479 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :it gets you both logarithmic update and query, which is neat < 1624262762 707289 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a paper about Fenwick trees that I meant to read but haven't yet. < 1624262776 886388 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aha, it's this one: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1904.12370.pdf < 1624262780 709984 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: note that if you start out with a binary number, b is always a power of 2; it's mainly a bookkeeping thing that is important to make things associative < 1624262782 579000 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Dynamic rank/select. < 1624262800 648074 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624262805 624790 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION shrugs < 1624262816 554250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But as usualy I'm not sure which similarity you see. :P < 1624262827 415266 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION tends to focus on differences. < 1624262895 89535 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :cd < 1624262907 108962 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Aha, I see, that's an interesting perspective, now that I read what you said. < 1624262970 645301 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624263046 51020 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let me see if I can say explicitly why they seem so similar. < 1624263087 564150 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The naive algorithm for adding two numbers is a ripple-carry adder, where you just add the way long addition works, figuring out the next bit and carry at a time. < 1624263133 942827 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the naive algorithm for a scan is similar -- you go from beginning to end, outputting the current sum and adding values as you see them. < 1624263150 487116 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :And these are both optimal sequentially. < 1624263208 24478 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :When you want to parallelize it, one thing you can do is break the thing into chunks, and compute the result for each chunk. < 1624263251 979214 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The result you get isn't quite right, though, but you can correct it with the output from the previous chunk, and correcting it takes less work than computing the whole thing from scratch. < 1624263350 315989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah. I think I actually got the right idea then. It's just that the ripple carry story is quite a bit more complicated than the prefix sum story in the details. < 1624263381 345101 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I should start by saying "increment" rather than "add". < 1624263391 939705 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since that's what I was really thinking. < 1624263403 130031 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :And there are similar things going on. < 1624263408 488608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(because the prefix sum stuff is just about regrouping addition in clever ways; it's already a nice monoid as is) < 1624263417 763395 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe semigroup, we don't need the unit < 1624263442 170851 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, interesting, I think of prefix sum as needing a unit, but the version with carry just takes the 0 value as an argument anyway. < 1624263445 762133 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it doesn't hurt either) < 1624263482 209347 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the unit is only strictly needed if you allow an empty prefix) < 1624263503 107922 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624263520 132879 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, maybe the connection would be stronger if I'd just said increment to start with. < 1624264081 511309 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, here's a post that answers several of my questions: https://gist.github.com/pervognsen/c89b0726da133fed8791e68cd72864cf < 1624264333 583754 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is great. > 1624264726 710005 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Py10 5* 10New user account < 1624265641 628514 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624265844 332114 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624265869 329243 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 JOIN #esolangs zegalch :The Lounge User < 1624266599 843082 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2~bpo10+1 - https://znc.in < 1624266737 229309 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1624267629 161717 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624267629 367525 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624267700 641781 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1624267969 636663 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624268729 674944 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624268951 767894 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624269215 149157 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624270031 148477 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is no standard here though < 1624270064 920208 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :clipboard is basically either plain text, or rich text, or an image, or a path in a filesystem < 1624270376 69989 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624270689 624351 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624271342 371821 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or for example, there are RSS and Atom to make posts look the same < 1624271469 851436 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :would be nice to see random copypasta in web taken from twitter/fb/discourse/reddit/tumblr/etc. all formatted in the same way < 1624271582 439997 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead of screenshots with random ugly fonts, getting compressed with each reupload (since most of the people don't know what is the URL and instead of linking they download and upload the media; not even saying that they often use phone to take a screenshot of text from the monitor) < 1624271674 665963 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in perspective if there is a wireless connection between the smartphone and the machine that you screenshot its display then if would be possible to even apply the format I imagine even when you are trying to make a photo of the screen < 1624271755 129627 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my English is bad, gotta sleep < 1624272141 675738 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1624275751 508523 :Razetime!~user@49.207.195.17 JOIN #esolangs * :unknown < 1624275763 962262 :Razetime!~user@49.207.195.17 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello there esolangers < 1624276820 300535 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello > 1624276964 528944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D imensional14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84844&oldid=84823 5* 03ResU 5* (+4) 10 < 1624277082 368912 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1624277631 164410 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D imensional14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84845&oldid=84844 5* 03ResU 5* (+149) 10added truth machine > 1624277757 957862 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D imensional14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84846&oldid=84845 5* 03ResU 5* (+19) 10/* Commands */ < 1624277959 530156 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624278085 400112 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1624279046 59723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bin-snake14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84847&oldid=84842 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+316) 10Example, cats < 1624279247 637103 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624279791 127573 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84848&oldid=81263 5* 03ResU 5* (-1) 10 > 1624279901 521706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84849&oldid=84848 5* 03ResU 5* (+1) 10/* See also */ < 1624279971 179996 :Razetime!~user@49.207.195.17 QUIT :Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.1) > 1624281212 44584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Asriel77 5* 10New user account < 1624282355 148576 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1624283058 624172 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624283806 296668 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624284009 35008 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624285167 656535 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PaRappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84850&oldid=84489 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+653) 10 > 1624285171 991679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84851&oldid=84776 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+278) 10 < 1624285283 636805 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624285543 739185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PaRappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84852&oldid=84850 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+8) 10 < 1624286421 668016 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624286584 652897 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624286629 275631 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1624286629 460401 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Astronomy : Astrophysics :: Gastronomy : Gastrophysics > 1624286987 420823 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84853&oldid=84851 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+8) 10 > 1624287427 287464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84854 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+580) 10Created page with " is an [[Eek!]] derivative by the Amogus Esolang Crew, mostly by [[User:VilgotanL]] and [[User:Zero player rodent]]. The only difference between and Eek! is that E, e,..." > 1624287458 385334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84855&oldid=84854 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (-13) 10fix table head cell < 1624287505 189622 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624287618 351672 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver > 1624287920 208648 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84856&oldid=84855 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+0) 10fix table because my brain didnt work < 1624289083 244965 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624290312 628949 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624291282 158314 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1624291854 478218 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1624291881 633561 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1624293077 219313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:S1(210)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84857&oldid=84262 5* 03S1(210) 5* (-134) 10 < 1624293301 956571 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: Astronomy : Astrology :: Gastronomy : Gastrology? < 1624294027 325595 :Koen!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624294270 289246 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PaRappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84858&oldid=84852 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+30) 10 < 1624294489 190393 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch > 1624294635 282302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PaRappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84859&oldid=84858 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+78) 10 > 1624294669 968734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DjAlac 5* 10New user account > 1624294879 825311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84860&oldid=84837 5* 03DjAlac 5* (+203) 10/* Introductions */ > 1624294898 484312 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:DjAlac14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84861 5* 03DjAlac 5* (+20) 10Created page with "Working on language." < 1624296129 698191 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624296256 247705 :Koen!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624296493 479560 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that also < 1624296965 213586 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624297241 422484 :scjosh!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 JOIN #esolangs scjosh :Josh < 1624298147 685 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624298561 747300 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Mal Sproule < 1624299974 368129 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624300008 374824 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://translate.yandex.ru/?text=%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C&lang=ru-en < 1624300033 347263 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I though there is a word to gastrole in English < 1624300043 554758 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :would be astrole if your tour is between stars < 1624300132 421735 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hate so much that copying from address bar escapes russian letters -- I'm pretty sure they are working in URLs for years already; have to replace them manually when you want to make the URL shorter; would be awesome to have some chrome flag for that < 1624300156 25649 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi! < 1624300181 386438 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello riv < 1624300270 201818 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this link is working for all of you in chat, right? https://translate.yandex.ru/?text=гастролировать&lang=ru-en < 1624300440 838310 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1624300452 781942 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Seems to be < 1624300485 398203 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :works < 1624300811 153183 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624301138 514382 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: works. At least Firefox allows you to copy URIs as is by adding a space at the end and then copying < 1624301168 804543 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :don’t know about Chrome, seems not that esoteric a browser :-| < 1624301282 723275 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( now I see why browsers are that huge: they need to support SVG rendering ) < 1624301312 399721 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :SVG is not huge, compared to HTML and CSS. HTML and CSS are not huge, compared to their interaction with JavaScript < 1624301361 929964 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :SVG is so cool < 1624301380 145959 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can write a webpage in SVG < 1624301394 199128 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a browser that only supported SVG webpages would probably be smaller than one which only supported HTML < 1624301409 474394 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :SVG tells you where to place each object. there is no layout algorithm < 1624301747 519187 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs ::P < 1624301889 163860 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624302366 400225 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch > 1624302454 218602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* 10New user account < 1624302746 717668 :cyclosa!~cyclosa@2603-6011-4a41-8ada-0000-0000-0000-0eaa.res6.spectrum.com JOIN #esolangs cyclosa :realname > 1624302940 294238 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84862&oldid=84860 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+166) 10/* Introductions */ > 1624302969 907046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84863&oldid=84862 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+78) 10/* Introductions */ < 1624303496 876729 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I made on my computer to never display non-ASCII characters in the address bar. I prefer to use only ASCII it avoids problems with homoglyphs, invisible characters, etc < 1624303535 506111 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :very good < 1624304615 913473 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1624304891 636093 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as a german, i wouldn't want to miss the umlauts < 1624305110 602164 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then use the German character encoding, I suppose < 1624305307 253460 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.1 < 1624305333 603825 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1624305648 783226 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the square-1 puzzle is evil < 1624305710 446649 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is a square-1 puzzle? < 1624305785 819885 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :arg < 1624305803 333052 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I spent the last 15 minutes trying to get the pun in the sentence "as a german, i wouldn't want to miss the umlauts" < 1624305808 548114 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :immibis: true! < 1624305819 612957 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I read zzo38's sentence just above and realise there is no pun < 1624305880 37512 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not everything has to be a pun < 1624305913 177585 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38, https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQVcciDqsX6uwzdtrm08e35exne0v-GEc2lOw&usqp=CAU < 1624305920 955401 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assume you don't live in a country that survived the second world war by making puns on the radio < 1624305940 596717 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :as a ways to pass secret messages < 1624305966 217948 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: that's not a square < 1624305969 618098 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's not even a cube!! < 1624305970 697233 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha < 1624306027 718104 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Koen_: but it's a cube in solved configuration < 1624306033 823741 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1624306034 436402 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1624306055 969235 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-1_(puzzle)) < 1624306212 985917 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.jaapsch.net/puzzles/square1d.htm < 1624306232 289465 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is a graph for the shpes < 1624306239 465771 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you also need to solve the colors < 1624306363 911782 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: I have tried to make some simple procedural art using SVG as an output, that went nicely. Filters and are a good hand though I used just blur filters for shadows. And grouping is indispensible too, so yeah, SVG is a very good format, though rendering a complex document efficiently still seems for me a giant programming task, especially due to filters. So I’m actually glad one can fall back to a browser and test this or that right in jupyt < 1624306364 191809 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :er somewhere! < 1624306457 319023 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1624306984 964439 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624307297 820536 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i made a sq1 simulator which produces svg graphics < 1624307330 195781 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.postimg.cc/br7157wX/Screenshot-2021-06-21-21-28-33.png < 1624308232 887260 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ghostscript does not include a SVG output, so if I want to use SVG output with Ghostscript, one way is to produce PDF, and then use a separate program converting PDF into SVG. < 1624308380 879594 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :can we convert PS to SVG directly? < 1624308423 728864 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It would be possible, although Ghostscript does not currently include this driver. (There may be an unofficial one maybe) > 1624308443 349158 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84864&oldid=70898 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+1292) 10/* Minim */ < 1624308458 569162 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also would be wanted to detect the approximations of circles it makes in order to convert them to SVG circles, maybe < 1624308555 103631 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another thing might be wanted is if you want to put hyperlinks in the SVG file, then you might want some uses of the pdfmark command to work too < 1624308567 954894 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i didnt know postscript doesn't have circles < 1624308611 155084 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It has a command to draw circular arcs, although using this produces an approximation involving Bezier curves instead < 1624308802 277357 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://spencermortensen.com/articles/bezier-circle/ i see, they are 0.02% off at worst < 1624308868 556068 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, although coding them as circles in SVG file would be more efficient than coding the Bezier curves < 1624308882 479584 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would leave them as bezier curves < 1624308893 366806 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if someone had done a bezier curve that is close to a circle intentionall < 1624308905 688323 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it got incorrectl turned into a true circle < 1624308947 683782 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, that is a valid point too. (Although I meant it only for the approximations produced by the arc commands in PostScript, not if you made your own) < 1624308990 311493 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :PostScript has a command to iterate a path and that requires that it uses Bezier curves rather than circular arcs, although modifying the PostScript interpreter could be done to check specifically if you use the commands for circular arcs < 1624309604 815410 :shikhin!~shikhin@offtopia/offtopian QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1624309607 219130 :zgrep!~zgrep@user/zgrep QUIT :Quit: It's a quitter's world. < 1624309697 561489 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space JOIN #esolangs * :shikhin < 1624309698 225748 :zgrep!~zgrep@user/zgrep JOIN #esolangs zgrep :zgrep < 1624309824 733171 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :offtopia/offtopian < 1624310397 120890 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas < 1624310895 865537 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624310960 546665 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84865&oldid=84856 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+779) 10 < 1624311908 151636 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624312792 55818 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624313327 250612 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DeBruijn14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84866&oldid=84266 5* 03S1(210) 5* (-1) 10/* My Python-based interpreter */ fix broken link < 1624317068 295706 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624317214 162506 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :[https://kiwiirc.com] salpynx < 1624317601 177648 :Guest79!~Guest79@176.59.144.113 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest79 < 1624318513 567963 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624318615 168671 :Guest79!~Guest79@176.59.144.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1624319041 690826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84867&oldid=84865 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Implementations */ Cat > 1624319137 429830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84868&oldid=84864 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10/* 99 Bottles */ CatstaC < 1624321252 386869 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624321295 650459 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs HackEso :HackEso < 1624322154 135819 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624322236 818753 :V!~v@anomalous.eu JOIN #esolangs V :Wie? < 1624322998 808501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1624323119 487101 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624323435 945298 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another way to produce SVG from PostScript might be to import a file which redefines the drawing commands to inspect the graphics state and output the proper SVG commands to make the drawing. < 1624324045 206257 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624325533 849798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Network too flaky today < 1624327831 233476 :hiato!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :tslil < 1624327844 434787 :op_4!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624328411 657789 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624328413 752231 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? receptacle < 1624328416 523448 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? entomologist < 1624328419 381540 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :receptacle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1624328420 574540 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :entomologist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1624330670 787623 :cyclosa!~cyclosa@2603-6011-4a41-8ada-0000-0000-0000-0eaa.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Quit: computer broke > 1624331376 441875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84869&oldid=84728 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+855) 10Update to latest version > 1624331509 556947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84870&oldid=84869 5* 03PolySaken 5* (-106) 10 > 1624331834 596402 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84871&oldid=84870 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+256) 10 < 1624333093 221330 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624333096 661471 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624333170 233045 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1624334018 655906 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624335357 141479 :monoxane!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624336161 144061 :monoxane!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1624337313 483882 :monoxane4!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1624337449 895979 :monoxane!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624337450 327798 :monoxane4!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net NICK :monoxane < 1624339353 769205 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624339443 245105 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1624340296 199128 :faxlore!sid505520@id-505520.highgate.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs faxlore :faxlore < 1624341019 300529 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:900d:ae1b:5c93:aaee QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1624341040 781415 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f0a0:99b9:c224:e908 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624342884 330062 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was some talk about sudoku < 1624342891 824571 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/c/CrackingTheCryptic/videos < 1624344175 566795 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1624345470 737407 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4sLAQvEH-M&t=0s < 1624345549 809452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624346270 372383 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624346972 598650 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :sudoku < 1624348127 637880 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? sudoku < 1624348130 734956 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :sudoku? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1624348178 976095 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624349398 635198 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624350080 638645 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1624350239 563939 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84872&oldid=84871 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+1086) 10 > 1624351034 581158 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84873&oldid=84872 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+0) 10 > 1624351468 719637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84874&oldid=84873 5* 03PolySaken 5* (-18) 10 > 1624351698 248514 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Usable14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84875 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+0) 10Created blank page > 1624351805 923961 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84876&oldid=84874 5* 03PolySaken 5* (-51) 10 > 1624351987 418658 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stax14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84877&oldid=83001 5* 03Cameron 5* (+0) 10Document.html amended to document.html > 1624353054 596302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84878&oldid=84876 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+463) 10add missing commands > 1624354442 327238 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84879&oldid=84878 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+118) 10 > 1624354643 134344 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84880&oldid=84879 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+69) 10/* Execution */ > 1624354738 440209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Seed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84881&oldid=81624 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+4) 10Link to funge-98 > 1624354859 842295 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84882&oldid=84880 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+105) 10/* Memory */ > 1624355774 527174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84883&oldid=84710 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+109) 10add Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss < 1624355896 375472 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624356057 702595 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624357884 340838 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84884 5* 03Rphii 5* (+6531) 10Created < 1624357941 719737 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't get it https://esolangs.org/wiki/Truth-machine#Befunge-93 < 1624357967 943915 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the first one looks like an infinite loop -- it dups twice, then prints and jumps, repeats < 1624357982 904838 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the second one prints every input twice > 1624358187 63471 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84885&oldid=84843 5* 03Rphii 5* (+13) 10/* T */ added Timers < 1624358254 278357 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :first one seems to work as advertised: https://tio.run/##S0pNK81LT9W1NNYtqAQz//9XU7ayitdzUP7/34ALAA < 1624358466 583478 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The underscore is a horizontal if, and changes the direction if the input is 1 < 1624358632 578984 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :{1}#:: {reverse} :: . :: . :: . {repeat} < 1624358642 743751 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :{0}#::_.@ < 1624358644 916814 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh "Repeat infinitely:" < 1624358654 446128 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought it should ask again < 1624358671 291073 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :weird machine < 1624358763 196593 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a simple test program form to show how looping and a simple conditional work. Makes more sense for very low level languages where demonstrating anything is a challenge, and is a step up from Hello World < 1624359196 182993 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1624359207 816981 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1624360323 359335 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was told that even though swedish "ö" and norwegian "ø" are basically the same letter with a different shape, the same is not at all true for swedish "ä" versus norwegian "æ". I think this is something I should have noticed, but every time I saw something that pointed to it, I just assumed it's because norwegian spells everything weird. > 1624360362 878432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84886&oldid=84884 5* 03Rphii 5* (+161) 10/* Multiple Timers I */ fix mistake in comments < 1624360420 69913 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This still means that the swedish alphabet and the norwegian/danish alphabet has letters in a different order, because swedish has "å" before "ö" but norwegian has "ø" before "å", which is still worrying < 1624360431 296501 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but a bit less worrying than before < 1624360495 834942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because now I can hope that only "ö" or "ø" is in the wrong place < 1624360619 220957 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course it's still possible that a lot of letters are in the wrong place in all of those alphabets, but that's possible in a lot of alphabets < 1624361472 40906 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 > 1624362127 751078 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rphii14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84887&oldid=84701 5* 03Rphii 5* (+11) 10 < 1624362512 110149 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624363060 247871 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624363445 225497 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1624364042 283480 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624367483 278233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DragonFighter603 5* 10New user account > 1624367721 401058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84888&oldid=84863 5* 03DragonFighter603 5* (+238) 10first entry - hope i did everything right!!! < 1624367838 601828 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs : < 1624367866 658249 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1624367890 151641 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:DragonFighter60314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84889 5* 03DragonFighter603 5* (+237) 10hi, im here! > 1624368089 448451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GridJSON14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84890 5* 03DragonFighter603 5* (+18) 10Created page with "Start of the page!" < 1624368207 307718 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursaga > 1624368290 631028 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84891&oldid=84885 5* 03DragonFighter603 5* (+30) 10added GridJSON < 1624368481 976138 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624368624 639832 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624369517 624573 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624371016 679860 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624371452 256122 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624371458 561179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1624371627 159422 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1624371971 553815 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1624373177 38131 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GridJSON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84892&oldid=84890 5* 03DragonFighter603 5* (+125) 10 < 1624374846 152656 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode > 1624374910 204415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84893&oldid=84886 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Calculator */ fix mistake in code > 1624376792 881417 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GridJSON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84894&oldid=84892 5* 03DragonFighter603 5* (+3457) 10 > 1624376860 976242 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GridJSON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84895&oldid=84894 5* 03DragonFighter603 5* (+46) 10 < 1624377556 266962 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit < 1624379779 225368 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624379784 125631 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1624380120 675243 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1624380301 735100 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f0a0:99b9:c224:e908 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624380340 178539 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624381051 123371 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624381330 105961 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624382971 996938 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624383183 562763 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1624383319 999397 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624383912 768025 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624385557 215140 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624385744 849448 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :are there [Usable for programming] languages simplier than Brainfuck? < 1624385892 591396 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: that might depend on what you count as simpler, but probably so. bitfuck (brainfuck with just 0 or 1 values in each cell) or Bitfuck without - is arguably simpler. < 1624385923 48494 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :some might consider SK combinator calculus simpler < 1624385939 665705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or lambda calculus < 1624385981 776955 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's derivative < 1624385992 592592 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*brainfuck derivative < 1624386000 98124 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know anybody who can program combinatory logic directly... personally I can only do it through abstraction elimination. < 1624386000 188752 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then there's some weird ones that ais523 invented, most notably Last ReSort and Three Star Programmer < 1624386017 979749 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: or an interpreter, I assume < 1624386033 691892 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean an interpreter for a higher level language implemented in combinatory logic < 1624386045 182971 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing is, lambda calculus *is* fairly programmable, mainly because you get a usable form of abstraction. < 1624386076 967681 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :where let x = y in z translates to (\x -> z) y < 1624386135 172195 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm just looking for a language to implement fully in rasel, but brainfuck needs at least two stacks -- data and code < 1624386153 363798 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk how fizzie made his one < 1624386215 61331 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could store one stack on even indices and another one on odd though, lol < 1624386272 461594 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yeah < 1624386288 739631 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just use the playfield, both for the code and data. And the (Befunge) stack just has two things: the execution pointer and the data pointer. < 1624386311 106111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( you have rational numbers, maybe translate from generalized Collatz functions? ) < 1624386341 122649 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :FRACTRAN? < 1624386351 916134 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1624386364 420528 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Rasel has arbitrary precision integers, and now also random access to its stack. so I suggest implementing The Waterfall Model, either as a translator by encoding the matrix into the program text, or by having the matrix on the stack < 1624386368 298687 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(thanks) < 1624386371 757860 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: but actually, < 1624386405 376810 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: implementing a translator from Blindfolded arithmetic should be easier, or just a direct translator from a multi-stack machine with fixed sized alphabet for the stacks < 1624386446 547020 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have infinite code space and nopfunge's directional commands, so implementing arbitrary control flow shouldn't be hard, you can just do non-blindfolded arithmetic < 1624386561 733976 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The main point is... since random access into the stack is so awkward, exploiting bignums to get unbounded storage seems like the easier route to go. And then all you need is a formalism that's easy to implement with bignums. Minsky machines are another obvious candidate. < 1624386612 246953 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what was the command to print the link to the wiki < 1624386617 306205 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :bot command < 1624386675 634820 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine it would be nice if you could put some markers inside your messages so bot would append the links because I have to copypaste your suggested languages names into google ..D < 1624386718 730900 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :like: ... so I suggest implementing [wiki The Waterfall Model], either as a ... < 1624386774 275109 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, you can just translate from a multi-stack machine with three stacks of bits with arbitrary finite control < 1624386810 763032 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you might still have to use Rasel's pokeswap instruction to access a fixed sized Rasel stack, but that's not not really random access < 1624386815 220920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/not not r/not r/ < 1624386842 707242 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: there's only one stack though? or are you using bitnums... in which case, yes, you can do that < 1624387451 490525 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: three bignums in three elements of the Rasel stack simulate three stacks of bits each < 1624387451 537981 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1624387458 446898 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you encode the stack of bits as a single binary number < 1624387461 54358 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or ternary or whatever < 1624387467 128830 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rasel can work with any base < 1624387477 568190 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624387534 739882 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to push 0, you multiply the number by 2; to push 1, you multiply the number by 2 and add 1; to pop, you take modulo 1, dup the reminder, use one copy to subtract it from the bignum before dividing by 2, then the other copy for a conditional jump < 1624387547 226416 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and those are the only operations you need, apart from perhaps some IO < 1624387603 954173 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you connect the program states with control flow by adding befunge style arrow paths < 1624387663 67005 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Rasel stack will have to temporarily grow to a bit larger than 3 for that bignum arithmetic, but you restore it to just the three bignums between each step < 1624387692 202160 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have to store them on the stack because Rasel doesn't offer much else for storage < 1624387702 50015 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624387710 337578 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you do have some choice between this and using random access on a larger stack < 1624387800 811741 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but a longer stack doesn't really help for translating a multi-stack machine < 1624387817 342800 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1624388378 269257 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so hot here :( I’d wish that was exploited somehow < 1624388380 551752 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624388416 588880 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can’t make myself write synth code and hear what sound it makes < 1624388703 502785 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1624389015 392601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MyScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84896&oldid=79483 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+43) 10It was based on JS < 1624389953 825446 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::t ?f join ?g < 1624389955 35941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Monad m, ?f::(m (m a) -> m a) -> t1 -> t2, ?g::t1) => t2 < 1624391083 990281 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624391359 71991 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624392069 84122 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624392248 147776 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624393100 251876 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs : :t ?f join ?g => ha < 1624394432 1077 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1624394960 276517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84897&oldid=84882 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+9) 10 < 1624395337 819001 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude < 1624395785 737815 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1624395834 648139 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1624395938 750900 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr JOIN #esolangs MrAureliusR :Got ZNC? > 1624397080 213872 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84898&oldid=84897 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+1008) 10add errors < 1624397398 826697 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624397795 160933 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1624397913 567550 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624398413 360597 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624399190 149356 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :[https://kiwiirc.com] salpynx < 1624399379 174063 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624399421 241643 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN #esolangs * :velik < 1624399585 978299 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :made a simple tests implementation so I don't need to start another bot instance to just test if reply works > 1624399700 585121 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84899&oldid=84898 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+444) 10update examples > 1624399771 81826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84900&oldid=84899 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+59) 10/* Examples */ < 1624399796 778125 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so b_jonas mentioned [wiki bitfuck] then there is probably a [wiki user:ais523] page then [wiki Last ReSort], [wiki Three Star Programmer], [wiki FRACTRAN] and maybe [wiki The Waterfall Model] and also [wiki Blindfolded] < 1624399801 78283 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitfuck https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ais523 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Last ReSort https://esolangs.org/wiki/Three Star Programmer https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fractran https://esolangs.org/wiki/The Waterfall Model https://esolangs.org/wiki/Blindfolded arithmetic < 1624399811 768027 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :crap, spaces < 1624399864 453915 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh neat < 1624399935 774095 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it should be able to search [wiki random stuff] in text too < 1624399956 579477 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it should be able to search [wiki something] in text too < 1624399986 222458 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, nope, need another wiki api endpoint, I'll add it < 1624400027 633925 :DHeadshot!~smuxi@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Deadly Headshot < 1624400123 32726 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^wiki BCT < 1624400123 93405 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/BCT < 1624400151 680366 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is another good target for TC proofs, but not very usable. Comparable to the Waterfall model though < 1624400165 792514 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624400210 361289 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :^wiki something < 1624400210 423405 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/something < 1624400238 979851 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[wiki BCT] is comparable to [wiki The_Waterfall_Model] for [wiki TC] proofs < 1624400241 332737 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/BCT < 1624400387 938684 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see, it checks for the existence of the page before providing a link (why TC didn't work), and didn't recognise underscores as spaces for TWM < 1624400525 258385 :DHeadshot!~smuxi@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624400600 287915 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm confused by the syntax, because usually when people link to articles on-channel, they use [[Internal Links]], not [external-links-except-not-even-a-URL]. < 1624400624 565496 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: yes, but in the end I still just recommend a three-stack machine with two symbol alphabet (or possibly a three-counter Minskey machine if you are into that) for the stacks and arbitrary control flow, assuming you want to translate to Rasel rather than have a universal interpreter in Rasel, and those are classical models of computation that we don't have specific pages about on the esowiki, < 1624400630 533063 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though they're mentioned often at reduction proofs about particular esolangs < 1624400638 148001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/Minskey/Minsky/ < 1624400689 897757 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Minskey mouse^W^W < 1624400742 271439 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well we do have a https://esolangs.org/wiki/Minsky_machine page < 1624400778 666208 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Deadly Headshot (Mobile) < 1624400859 38280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: do you want just a translation to Rasel, or a universal interpreter in Rasel with a fixed program that gets the interpreted program as input? < 1624400865 84383 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/gets/reads/ > 1624400893 473890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PolySaken14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84901&oldid=84719 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+124) 10 > 1624401092 763102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84902&oldid=79446 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+37) 10/* Paradigm */ > 1624401153 192674 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84903&oldid=84902 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+29) 10/* Paradigm */ > 1624401229 5396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Prototype-based paradigm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84904 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+179) 10Created page with "Languages that use a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming#Class-based_vs_prototype-based Prototype-Based] approach to OOP rather than a class-based appro..." < 1624401289 202879 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :mediawiki escaping is weird < 1624401304 206635 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it escapes ' ' but not '?' < 1624401339 480231 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no, it escapes '?', anyway < 1624401490 586782 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie that would need to blacklist esolangs bot explicitely to ignore the changelogs and actually people can use [[...]]] syntax for other purposes in messages, like to show a nested array < 1624401618 51948 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or 1 dimensional array in Mathematica) > 1624401698 327723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84905&oldid=84891 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+36) 10/* C */ add Clart < 1624401704 356760 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can always use ... when you want to have a lot of literal brackets < 1624401778 963206 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can make [[[...]]] > 1624401792 238744 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84906&oldid=84900 5* 03PolySaken 5* (-26) 10 < 1624401804 527685 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hoping that people won't chat about triple nested arrays < 1624401900 317232 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1624401928 624478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84907&oldid=84906 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+51) 10 > 1624401992 585905 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84908&oldid=84907 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+30) 10 < 1624402163 424372 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: what do you mean? I just mentioned three-star programmer earlier. what would be a better triple nested array than that? < 1624402164 320371 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624402192 799109 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but note that triple-nested arrays don't actually confuse mediawiki markup, because they don't have "[[" anywhere < 1624402291 994292 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's why C and C++ could agree to standardize "[[" for new style attributes, even though that's sort of silly in the https://xkcd.com/927/ sort of way, because there were already two or three vendor-specific attribute syntax that are general enough that they could just be supported by other compilers and standardized < 1624402343 587654 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can technically clash with C++ lambda syntax, but only in weird code that probably nobody ever wrote in the real world before attribute syntax was invented < 1624402361 59780 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, there is wiki article "???" but it doesn't show up in search results < 1624402376 112151 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you search by "???" on search page < 1624402380 44853 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it might clash with objective C syntax I think < 1624402439 113593 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas I don't talk about mediawiki markup, I'm saying about IRC bot automatic linking < 1624402441 715409 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, you know, C++ syntax has or had like twenty different syntax ambiguities that actually sometimes come up in real programs, and this isn't one < 1624402455 653588 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: IRC bot automatic linking? I don't particularly like that < 1624402495 304030 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it's looking inside messages that is, not just an invocation at the start like HackEso commands < 1624402506 93995 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why would I want to go to esolang wiki site and then copypaste titles from chat to search field if I could just click it here < 1624402508 267805 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, velik actually does that? < 1624402528 197189 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one star programmer, two star programmer [wiki three star programmer], four star programmer < 1624402529 290786 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Three Star Programmer < 1624402535 386196 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh there's no way we can't bot loop that < 1624402536 715634 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :01:09:56 so b_jonas mentioned [wiki bitfuck] then there is probably a [wiki user:ais523] page then [wiki Last ReSort], [wiki Three Star Programmer], [wiki FRACTRAN] and maybe [wiki The Waterfall Model] and also [wiki Blindfolded] < 1624402539 918879 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitfuck https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ais523 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Last ReSort https://esolangs.org/wiki/Three Star Programmer https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fractran plus plus https://esolangs.org/wiki/The Waterfall Model https://esolangs.org/wiki/Blindfolded Arithmetic < 1624402568 354512 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :do bots react on messages starting with https://? < 1624402586 679163 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's one now < 1624402607 631390 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe this is something that is only bad if more than one bot does it, so it's irresponsible but not immediately bad? < 1624402621 118540 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean [wiki fungot] reacts obviously < 1624402621 239549 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: ok so not quite " rendering" < 1624402622 449402 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fungot < 1624402640 109590 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not to that, no, because he doesn't like to be called Fungot < 1624402676 120531 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot reply is random < 1624402676 473972 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: maybe their dns system just became " aware" of them rather than " yo estoy bueno. but < 1624402698 133820 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, fungot's chatter is hard to bot loop < 1624402698 229181 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: why not? < 1624402807 581769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: because no bot before velik was listening to lines that start with "mr. president,", that's why < 1624402807 788779 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: dunno, it seems different :) i.e. bending a verb when an existing verb works perfectly well. < 1624402977 516492 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1624402998 607912 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot learn function https://esolangs.org/wiki/Three can has [wiki Three Star Programmer] < 1624402998 812144 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Stored function https://esolangs.org/wiki/Three as [wiki Three Star Programmer] < 1624403005 161534 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :thread error < 1624403006 855632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :[wiki three star programmer] < 1624403015 181263 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624403016 596360 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :thread error < 1624403020 942180 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well ok < 1624403022 116598 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Three Star Programmer < 1624403029 934612 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah < 1624403036 993237 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you need to invoke perlbot by name on this channel < 1624403038 389177 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I forgot < 1624403062 707810 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot forget https://esolangs.org/wiki/Three < 1624403063 254726 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Forgot https://esolangs.org/wiki/Three < 1624403127 884253 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I can't just put square brackets into a wiki article title, mediawiki explicitly bans them < 1624403139 811118 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and even if you could, they'd be escaped in the URL) < 1624403157 58362 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well I'll have to remember this when the second such bot comes up < 1624403188 579871 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge98 r #:,_@#:"[wiki Funge-98]" < 1624403190 124764 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[wiki Funge-98]. < 1624403190 414594 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Funge-98 < 1624403195 383074 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Funge-98 < 1624403309 486923 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or third, if fungоt counts < 1624403323 50552 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean technically there was the bridge too < 1624403351 972090 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I might not have been allowed to botloop that < 1624403413 799815 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :02:03:36 thread error -- I guess this was esolang wiki ddos prevention because there were two search requests in parallel, but I'm not sure < 1624403505 833371 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I scroll the server stdout logs up the screen with hang the process and it will disconnect, lol, while file logs are formatted in base64 and I didn't make reader yet < 1624403605 365647 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how about [wiki wiki:Three star programmer] < 1624403773 708629 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624403797 157037 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN #esolangs * :velik < 1624403947 302111 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean [wiki:Three...] ? < 1624403974 231065 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :finally I've found SO the break their code formatter over the years https://stackoverflow.com/a/547133/322020 < 1624404187 121723 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624404694 151667 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624405110 563197 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: no < 1624405127 253997 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: one wiki to invoke velik, one wiki as an interwiki prefix that the esowiki would resolve < 1624405136 190323 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :except it doesn't do that when you *search* < 1624405142 554951 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is why I guess this failed < 1624405194 537924 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624405212 265847 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN #esolangs * :velik < 1624405428 50386 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about [befunge] and then in the end of the message you say /wiki < 1624405489 242938 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw I fixed escapings: search with spaces [wiki bitwise cyclic tag], users [wiki user:nakilon], ignore dups [wiki user:nakilon], in text [wiki nakilon], weird chars [wiki created by Stack Exchange users] < 1624405493 520506 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitwise%20Cyclic%20Tag https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Nakilon https://esolangs.org/wiki/Velik https://esolangs.org/wiki/%3F%3F%3F > 1624405519 850543 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84909&oldid=84905 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-15) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ Please stop putting Alphabetic languages in the Non Alphabetic section < 1624405617 119888 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge98 [wiki Funge-98..]# < 1624405618 383270 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Funge-98 < 1624405640 936645 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait for it < 1624405648 109232 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 0 8 9 77 < 1624406459 841783 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624406683 551845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1624407246 166033 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624407973 198003 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624408776 799517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : I was told that even though swedish "ö" and norwegian "ø" are basically the same letter with a different shape, the same is not at all true for swedish "ä" versus norwegian "æ". I think this is something I should have noticed, but every time I saw something that pointed to it, I just assumed it's because norwegian spells everything weird. < 1624408804 980022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i haven't heard of it, and looking at wikipedia's letter histories that doesn't fit. < 1624408838 168271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :æ and ä are both modifications of ae > 1624408872 387740 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Clart14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84910 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+8176) 10Created page with " '''Clart''' is an object-oriented mildly esoteric programming language designed and implemented by [[User:PolySaken]]. == Overview == Clart programs are composed of instruc..." < 1624408890 642803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ö is a modification of oe, and ø _might_ also be, there are two theories on the wikipedia page, the other suggests ø is from anglo-saxon oi < 1624408965 995271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if those are the theories, then if anything it's ø and ö which are different. of course they are _used_ equivalently, and in fact older norwegian/danish sometimes used ö instead of ø (also from wikipedia) < 1624408995 358651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*if those are the plausible theories < 1624409046 536229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i'd heard before that umlaut is from e, and æ is pretty transparent, so it's only really ø i doubt, like wikipedia.) < 1624409423 549711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also according to wikipedia, old norse used æ rather than ä, so swedish borrowed the latter from german later. i think it may be similar with ø and ö, although i didn't find that explicitly. < 1624409639 376945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although it's mentioned that old icelandic used ø.) < 1624409696 526154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh i suppose that's also a form of old norse. so the swedish letters are newer overall. > 1624409783 227864 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Clart14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84911&oldid=84910 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+1044) 10 < 1624409952 250920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for why the alphabet orders are different, i don't really know but it's probably essentially because danish and swedish developed their spellings independently, during a time when relations were less friendly. norway was part of the danish kingdom then, and norwegian bokmål started out as adapted danish. < 1624410121 217900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :the use of å in danish/norwegian was iirc part of a reform to decrease the spelling differences around 1900 (when relations had got more friendly and possibly when norway was part of the _swedish_ kingdom) < 1624410144 522571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :before that, danish/norwegian used aa < 1624410240 29793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(norway separated from sweden in 1905 so not sure which happened first) < 1624410308 690972 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624410354 481468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for completeness, norway transfered from denmark to sweden in 1814 as a result of sweden and denmark choosing winning and losing sides in the napoleonic wars respectively (despite sweden's king being a former _general_ of napoleon) < 1624410358 416481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :) < 1624410470 272231 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1624410488 431316 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Last_Resort isn't known to be Turing-complete, you're thinking of the https://esolangs.org/wiki/I/D_machine < 1624410513 551029 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, I notice someone made a new category, contrary to policy, and am not sure what to do about it < 1624410531 773842 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :presumably, either delete it or add Feather to it, as it's looking a little empty at the moment < 1624410553 934917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh! of course the å being added later to danish/norwegian is an _explanation_ for why it's last in those alphabets. < 1624410584 36891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although the other two are still reversed as well. < 1624410588 977611 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, both The Waterfall Model and BCT are easier to program in than "deliberately obnoxious" esolangs are, they're just very low-level < 1624410593 309454 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but they can both be plausibly written by hand > 1624410594 367622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84912&oldid=83973 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+402) 10 > 1624410641 856700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Abethel 5* 10New user account > 1624410693 504712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84913&oldid=84912 5* 03Ais523 5* (+439) 10/* Category Proposal: 'Impossible To Implement' as Subset of unimplemented */ pretty much already exists < 1624410700 791121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I don't think I was thinking of I/D machine in particular < 1624410717 420828 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, OK < 1624410718 552451 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I understand that Last Resort is the wrong example < 1624410753 332469 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Deadly Headshot (Mobile) < 1624410771 390518 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/2C has been pretty good for me in terms of being easy to prove things TC with, too < 1624410787 38557 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"of course they are _used_ equivalently" => that is what I care about here, how the letters etymologically correspond in the spelling of different languges, rather than how the glyphs were invented > 1624410847 743838 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Clart14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84914&oldid=84911 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+59) 10 < 1624410902 890176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure what that means. < 1624410905 707741 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the I/D machine is good for proving things TC if they have random-access memory, https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Amnesiac_From_Minsk or The Waterfall Model for counters (or things that can be made to simulate counters), 2C for string- and queue-based languages < 1624411007 720811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :incidentally, danish and norwegian use æ fairly differently. in norwegian, it's pretty much always _pronounced_ [æ], unlike in danish. (and swedish ä is also more variable.) < 1624411049 952292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's not clear that etymological correspondence gets any simpler than glyph histories. < 1624411076 425546 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Stun_Step is another good example of something that's more or less directly "simpler" than BF < 1624411086 954619 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I mean the words that have "å" in swedish will usually have an etymologically related word in norwegian that is usually also spelled with an "å" ("två" vs "to" notwithstanding) and backwards for norwegian words with an "å"; and swedish words with "ö" will usually have an etymologically related word in norwegian that is spelled with an "ø" and backwards; but the same is generally not true < 1624411092 963528 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for swedish words spelled with an "ä" < 1624411156 424726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, norwegian often uses e where danish uses æ or swedish ä < 1624411172 215883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially in front of r. < 1624411196 955562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :when short. < 1624411208 989591 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can also go simpler than cyclic tag: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Echo_Tag < 1624411274 379721 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION understands near nothing about the computational classes < 1624411277 549861 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw < 1624411319 190731 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: well ok, but 2C is one that would be particularly unsuitable for implementing in Rasel < 1624411335 37665 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which was the original question < 1624411335 543597 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure what Rasel is like, so I'm just talking in general terms < 1624411355 698799 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although < 1624411388 483970 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps I'm wrong in that and you can do some funny Gödel arithmetic magic thing while representing the whole string as a single bignum < 1624411391 114686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: when i looked into swedish phonology a while i discovered one important reason: unlike norwegian, swedish distinguishes open and closed e as long vowel phonemes, written ä and e respectively. (overall, swedish vowel spelling is more logical than norwegian.) < 1624411396 700675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*a while ago > 1624411398 816639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84915&oldid=84888 5* 03Abethel 5* (+458) 10Introduce myself < 1624411402 102927 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :google has a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_results_page#Featured_Snippets from esolang wiki < 1624411410 230941 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/IBNjxbN.png < 1624411445 731856 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I assume this thing (Rasel) has an unboundedly large playfield/program space, but it only ever contains the program the user entered, so the size is fixed for any given program < 1624411467 937443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(short e is always open in both languages. oh and swedish regularly turns open e into [æ] before r.) < 1624411498 446112 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that is correct for the code space; the data space is the Rasel stack and it can grow unbounded both in depth of stack and how large the contained numbers are < 1624411521 436132 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I call it "stack" but you can actually random access it < 1624411544 984868 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1624411557 61807 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :my first thought is to compile Mini-Flak into Rasel, but we don't actually have an article about Mini-Flak yet < 1624411561 948201 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I'm planning to write one < 1624411603 220482 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :What the *what*. < 1624411606 342168 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't heard of that one, but we also don't actually have an article specifically about two/three stack machines with arbitrary finite control < 1624411611 21047 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, it's just MediaWiki, I'm not surprised Google indexer can extract good snippets from it in theory. I'm just blown away by the idea that we're the featured snippet for a query like "computational classes". Though not quite as blown away as I'd be if that was the case for "computational class" too. < 1624411615 276195 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was a flak cannon in ut2004 < 1624411663 735063 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are adverts for our Esolang wiki running on Stack Exchange, and none of us put them there < 1624411707 397522 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Want to find a programming language that's – unique? – hard to use? – just plain weird? Esolang – the esoteric programming language wiki" < 1624411782 205600 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Weird. Well, at least our Google search performance hasn't really improved lately. We have an average search result position of 20, an average CTR of 0.9% and generally somewhere in the order of 10 daily clicks. < 1624411794 313562 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: on which Stack Exchange site? there's a meta post in each SE site where those advertisments are defined, and they have history like normal posts so we can tell who put the adverts there < 1624411803 168154 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And the most popular query is still "intcode".) < 1624411803 786590 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: code golf and coding challenges, unsurprisingly < 1624411849 15076 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I shouldn've guessed that, though the other possibility is Stack Overflow to keep esolang stuff away from it like we keep them away from en.wikipedia < 1624411883 179873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/23544/6691 < 1624411892 156411 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also on the top list is the very clearly organic search query `inurl:logs intext:get https:// ext:txt intext:password intext:username` which brings up this (well, the previous) channel's logs from 2013-05-22. < 1624411899 53405 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn, I didn't know their formatting doesn't replace newlines with spaces https://github.com/topics/esolang < 1624411942 377823 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that is organic, I think, in that the people searching for that do care about the results < 1624411957 424255 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :…probably this explains the low click-through rate, as we're a false positive for it :-D < 1624411959 554535 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Is there a possible path to explaining complexity classes for nakilon and others in a way that would let us get beyond mere Turing-completeness? < 1624411996 349644 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: well, classes beyond TC are quite hard to define, as you're talking about something that we believe can't exist, so it's starting to get into the realm of philosophy rather than programming < 1624411999 912049 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that that's your focus, but I would very much like a P/BQP/PP/CSP/NP fine-grained explainer page. < 1624412002 688891 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: that sounds like two different problems clumped together > 1624412017 601121 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PolySaken14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84916&oldid=84901 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+511) 10 < 1624412018 575492 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I wanted to go down, not up, sorry. "Beyond" was a poorly-chosen word. < 1624412064 987239 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: one about explaining what complexity classes are and all the lots of basic stuff theorems taught about them; and learning about complexity classes more powerful than turing-complete < 1624412167 257888 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want to do the first one at your own time, then there's Aho, Ullman, "The Theory of Parsing, Translation, and Compiling", (1972; ISBN 0139145567) < 1624412212 998512 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm just wondering if there's a better option than directly linking to the Complexity Zoo. < 1624412287 551763 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1624412296 751471 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624412396 542554 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: yes, the zoo is a reference, not a textbook < 1624412430 993038 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is this meme https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/56b609a3cd4b463f683e912b2e191320.jpg < 1624412443 179434 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :textbooks are Aho–Ullman or David Madore's (scrambles to find the link) < 1624412444 643379 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it says: "too complex, goodbye :)" < 1624412459 60677 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :course notes http://perso.enst.fr/~madore/inf105/notes-inf105.pdf linked from http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2017-11-10.2477.html < 1624412459 919858 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's what I think when I take a look at the articles you link < 1624412563 683477 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1624412572 477086 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but these two are not the right introduction if you care about complexity classes more potent than Turing-complete < 1624412610 663747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i, i too complex < 1624412610 755530 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1624412621 986901 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you want only NR the class of recursively enumerable languages, which is an important class on its own > 1624412661 985158 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Clart14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84917&oldid=84914 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+24) 10 < 1624412662 117609 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I just think that the wording on the wiki could be simpler. < 1624412714 455401 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wording? what wiki page? < 1624412736 139476 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Computational_class ? \ < 1624412741 850120 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I've ever tried to read that one < 1624412841 563577 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :TIL that page. Never mind! This is good. > 1624412921 289011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84918&oldid=84883 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+73) 10 < 1624412947 318968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION is annoyed that putty doesn't seem to have a reliable solution to ssh session disconnecting (the keepalive setting sometimes doesn't help, and according to docs can make things _worse_ in some cases.) < 1624413010 772071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course a web search turns up suggestions to turn on keepalive as if i hadn't already. > 1624413102 203113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mini-Flak14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84919 5* 03Ais523 5* (+3301) 10this could do with an article; start with just a basic specification (a longer article would certainly be possible but I don't want to write it right now) < 1624413158 125189 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: for categories below TC, I think the one we care most about at Esolang are finite-state and push-down automaton < 1624413228 488016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :linear bounded sometimes comes up too < 1624413242 13002 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which are both related to memory restrictions: finite-state languages have only a finite amount of memory, and push-down automata have only a finite amount of memory + one unbounded stack, where each element of the stack is drawn from a set of finitely many possibilities < 1624413243 789401 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: This is understandable. I care most about P vs NP, but that is probably just my obsession with performance. < 1624413280 410031 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :P and NP are a bit subtle because they require you to define the "size of the problem" you're working on < 1624413294 329586 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and depending on the details of that definition you can get different results < 1624413308 307963 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but a sensible way to define it is to talk about the number of bits/bytes (doesn't matter) of input that's given to the program < 1624413342 358467 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :then, a language in P says that the execution time of any program in the language must be bounded by some polynomial of the size of the input < 1624413364 108839 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624413366 298916 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. But it'd be nice to make it clear to users. To use a non-esoteric example, CHR is solidly in NP under our current understanding, because it's built on CSP. < 1624413380 325758 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and "P-complete" would mean that the language is in P, and also is capable of expressing any program that can be written in any language in P) < 1624413407 120421 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :NP is weird, and easier to understand than it is to explain it to someone else, which doesn't help much with teaching it < 1624413407 544557 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. Again with a non-esoteric example, Pola is P-complete. < 1624413460 975158 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, there was an article for Mini-Flak already, just spelled differently < 1624413489 244697 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :mine's better :-P I'm going to make the old one into a redirect and merge the example program < 1624413589 451280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"CHR is solidly in NP under our current understanding, because it's built on CSP." => am I just too tired to understand this? what are "CHR" and "CSP"? > 1624413607 241361 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mini-Flak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84920&oldid=84919 5* 03Ais523 5* (+111) 10merge content from [[Miniflak]], which I didn't realise existed until after I'd written this (given that most sources for the language spell its name with a hyphen) < 1624413632 107740 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624413635 369900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mini-Flak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84921&oldid=84920 5* 03Ais523 5* (+28) 10merge the cats too < 1624413638 445438 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :CHR, Constraint Handling Rules, is a mainstream logic proglang. It's usually found as an embedded DSL. < 1624413686 879446 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :CSP is Constraint Satisfaction Problems. This class sits between P and NP and contains problems like whether a Datalog database satisfies an input query. > 1624413698 176737 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Miniflak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84922&oldid=50951 5* 03Ais523 5* (-802) 10merging into [[Mini-Flak]] (an independently created article about the same language, with the more commonly used spelling for its name) > 1624413733 890418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84923&oldid=84909 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10/* M */ correct the spelling of [[Mini-Flak]] to the more commonly used spelling < 1624413780 378018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that scared me for a moment, just on account of being a small TC language that uses multiple different kinds of brackets in its source code, but no, it doesn't seem to be related to Consumer Society < 1624413784 347375 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: thanks < 1624413803 295918 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries. Sorry for using so many acronyms. > 1624413830 316021 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RASEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84924&oldid=83635 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+166) 10added link to a translator from brainfuck to rasel < 1624413897 376447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( TLAs FTL ) < 1624414005 887962 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :* Ais523 * (+28) merge the cats too < 1624414008 620612 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :poor cats < 1624414009 981003 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Waterfall Model should compile into RASEL pretty easily too, I think, thinking about it < 1624414039 470576 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Whirlpool Model even more easily; I'm not sure I ever proved that one TC < 1624414051 285122 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I thought of that first, but I think a multiple-stack machine with finite control actually maps better < 1624414098 475137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Whirlpool Model? that doesn't even seem to be defined on the wiki under that name < 1624414115 157157 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Whirlpool is Waterfall with the restriction that the command table is cyclically symmetric, i.e. the effect of stack a zeroing on stack b is constant for any value of a-b (mod the number of counters) < 1624414118 209273 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :) < 1624414127 55547 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I haven't talked about it yet < 1624414137 726188 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe something is wrong with how I search, because "Whirlpool" should at least find something about the trintercal unary operator < 1624414175 62389 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oddly that operator isn't named as "whirlpool" in the https://esolangs.org/wiki/TriINTERCAL article < 1624414181 861727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait... < 1624414185 384385 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :only as "BUT" and "@" < 1624414190 264141 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, TriIntercal with two is < 1624414193 916606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :two eyes < 1624414240 480217 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that doesn't mention "bookworm" either. our wiki's documentation about intercal and triintercal is rather lacking < 1624414250 130489 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the problem with The Whirlpool Model is that it's hard to make an article about it that's more interesting than "this is The Waterfall Model with this one restriction" < 1624414257 406108 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you have a TCness proof, and I don't < 1624414274 849091 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: then don't make a separate article, just mention it in the article about the Waterfall Model > 1624414304 980957 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84925&oldid=84893 5* 03Rphii 5* (+148) 10/* Examples */ add factorial example < 1624414307 377920 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(oerjan and I have a TCness proof for the case where counters go down 2 at a time rather than 1, and we only trigger on zero counters not negative counters, but that's much easier to prove) < 1624414310 176872 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there should be a language that calls some web api to check current stars and planet position to decide how to execute < 1624414331 891290 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :why need a web API, other than possibly one that detects changes to the rotation of the Earth? < 1624414348 126720 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the positions of planets and stars are believed to be very predictable, so you can just implement it in your program < 1624414367 133380 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh it can take current time actually and calculate their positions < 1624414369 899959 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, make it only work if you have GPS hardware connected to correct for that, that's more reliable (though more restrictive too) than a web API < 1624414373 814978 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1624414379 791330 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, the rotation of the Earth does sometimes change in measurable but unpredictable ways, which is why we need a central time database to tell us when the leap seconds are < 1624414398 597052 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not by very *much*, but enough that we can measure it) < 1624414432 599217 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can integrate it with the real telescope but it would have pretty low performance < 1624414453 192056 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's even more restrictive < 1624414471 219679 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the behaviour of the runtime will be more defined at night rather than in day or if it's cloudy < 1624414490 716249 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can get a GPS signal in much more places and times than observe anything useful with a telescope < 1624414509 812823 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was working on an esolang a while back, which works like this: we have a high-quality PRNG (with known seed) which defines an infinite universe of non-overlapping 3D objects, drawn from a particular set, in random positions and orientations < 1624414527 464749 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the objects are reflective < 1624414542 307527 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a program is a starting position and direction for a laser beam somewhere in that infinite universe, which bounces off the objects < 1624414542 398944 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular, because of some stupid technical reasons for how current computer hardware works, we usually prefer to put computers inside buildings or at least covered by a ceiling < 1624414554 19833 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, I abandoned it because I couldn't make it TC, and it isn't interesting unless it's TC < 1624414558 336149 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can get GPS signal in many buildings, but you can't always see then sun from inside them < 1624414573 854815 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds like something to run on RTX < 1624414613 825115 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: hmm, that reminds me to a MathOverflow question > 1624414614 374635 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84926&oldid=84925 5* 03Rphii 5* (+144) 10/* Commands */ explicitly said that inlining is possible < 1624414625 388355 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/ to / of / < 1624414657 641286 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas I would say it's ok if the language works only under sky, it's like a biological life that prefers the surface of the planet < 1624414657 736743 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :prepositions translate so badly between languages < 1624414718 977771 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's literally an environment > 1624414732 152654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84927&oldid=84926 5* 03Rphii 5* (+11) 10/* Factorial */ add a newline after printing result < 1624414747 373176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://mathoverflow.net/q/156344/5340 < 1624414783 642337 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I know that particular one, because it's a mistake that others kept pointing out to me, so I learned it < 1624414831 210734 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assume it's "remind to" in Hungarian? < 1624414832 252979 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if I think about it, "of" still sounds wrong < 1624414855 494569 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"remind to" can be valid in English, but only if the thing you're being reminded of is an action you need to take right now < 1624414862 299782 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. an alarm clock reminds you to wake up < 1624414864 256697 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think it depends on the objects. There are some fractal surfaces which can exhibit self-reflection. It would be interesting if we could show that we could decide if a given fractal's got divergent patches of surface area. < 1624414877 689001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: is that only with a verb infinitive after "to"? > 1624414879 238042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84928&oldid=84927 5* 03Rphii 5* (-102) 10/* Numbers */ the ?-number is good < 1624414881 834735 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: right < 1624414884 516610 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and to your question, at least it's closer to "remind to" < 1624415000 54018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hungarian has twelve common noun cases that come up all the time with various different meanings, and they don't map all that well to English prepositions, except for the unmarked nominative case which is more or less than same as English subject position < 1624415041 350876 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, so the original is some form of dative? < 1624415059 949702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the second is for what English calls direct objects, one miscellaneous one, and then a table of 3x3 that most overtly mean from, from on, from in, at, on, in, to, onto, into < 1624415061 398980 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes a lot of sense actually < 1624415102 53813 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and "emlékeztet", which is what I translate "reminds" to, that comes with the onto case < 1624415157 845559 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Latin has two cases which resemble prepositions (three if you count the genitive), so seeing a language generalize the concept isn't much of a surprise < 1624415178 867650 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in English, a genitive like "b_jonas's" is a separate case, but in French the same construction uses a preposition) < 1624415240 929153 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this, by the way, results in some funny stuff in bad translations of mail+calendar programs, the ones that use a single localizable message "To" for both the recipient of an email and the end time of an interval entry in the calendar. and the interface puts that one thing before the noun. < 1624415270 862292 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds like an impossible job for the translator :-D < 1624415315 391904 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least mark them as to^recipient and to^until in the translation source so that there's some hope of being able to get it right < 1624415379 679630 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: as far as I'm aware, just one "to" prefix more or less works in the French, German, Swedish translations, so clearly you don't need to do that < 1624415411 759303 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) < 1624415475 505916 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact, it's worse, given that the recipient could be a person you should logically have to^female and to^male to get the grammar right, but the email client has no way to know the gender of the recipient < 1624415488 347580 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just what a great foresight the people who invented email MIME headers had to name that field "To" instead of "Recipient", now we don't need extra strings in the translation < 1624415514 597076 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I learned how to do translation markup from video games, where the people you're referring to are normally fictional people you've invented and thus you know their genders) < 1624415552 748783 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: in what language would you have to distinguish between genders in the context of an email recipient? > 1624415553 71440 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RandoPerso 5* 10New user account < 1624415563 376779 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean if it's called "to" rather than "recipient" < 1624415570 824022 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it was "recipient" than maybe < 1624415572 461662 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I don't know any for certain offhand < 1624415597 641800 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, say, in Latin, if you want "to" as a preposition to say that someone is a recipient, you need to transform the end of their name rather than using a separate word < 1624415605 886575 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the correct transformation depends on their gender < 1624415628 619761 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, true < 1624415635 637397 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so in practice you would need to translate to "recipient" instead and that might also depend on their gender < 1624415666 333195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :latin had a word for writing a letter to a woman? < 1624415676 853601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still sarcastic < 1624415694 423301 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just looked it up < 1624415714 917686 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Latin word for "recipient" is "acceptor" or "acceptrix" depending on whether the recipient is male or female < 1624415727 265728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1624415729 391661 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't know for certain that it would be gender-dependent, but lots of words in Latin are, so this one doesn't surprise me < 1624415765 471149 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :("acceptor" seems to have become an English word, but typically only used for inanimate objects rather than people; "acceptrix" hasn't) < 1624415817 326569 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, maybe this is why the ancient Romans didn't have email < 1624415964 531139 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ echo "+" | ruby examples/bf_translator.rb < 1624415964 649657 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs ::03--::\01--G1G//%1\1-\$0@ > 1624415965 574303 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84929&oldid=84915 5* 03RandoPerso 5* (+257) 10 < 1624415974 284813 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION sighs < 1624416155 43033 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be clear, Hungarian ordinary nouns have 15 common cases, but only 12 of them are heavily overloaded to mean all sorts of different things, the other 3 have just one or two easy to define meanings < 1624416482 687110 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh b_jonas https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cas_grammatical#/media/Fichier:Number_of_grammatical_cases_hic01.png < 1624416517 555229 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if the 7th one is the same all over the place that is in Ukrainian < 1624416578 952178 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocative_case < 1624416895 271094 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: quit < 1624416937 997134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i remember some page about how to do translation markup in one of the haskell web frameworks < 1624417004 154381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it sort of mentioned how you could use arbitrary haskell functions, and how this might even handle something really complicated like russian numbers < 1624417037 108433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently different russian numbers differ in both how they themselves and the noun they're applied to inflect < 1624417153 48588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually i'm not entirely sure if it mentioned russian numbers, or if i merely combined what it said with what i'd learned about russian numbers elsewhere < 1624417223 18013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the -nek/nak case, is that one of the other 3, or that "miscellaneous" you mentioned? > 1624417237 607380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PolySaken14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84930&oldid=84916 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+4) 10 < 1624417246 287852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i know that can work as either dative or genitive) < 1624417346 995433 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624417638 792259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i checked ukranian, lithuanian and czech and they all have the same set. < 1624417639 995442 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624417686 878310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :polish too < 1624417693 557958 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk what was your page about but "1" - один одного одному один одним одном; and there is a difference between numbers and digits, so number 1 is "один" but digit 1 is "единица" -- it's kind of like "zero" and "null" or "none" but there are two words for all 10 < 1624417712 678112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i recall latin has ablative instead but it lacks locative and instrumental so only gets 6 < 1624417723 979105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think proto-indoeuropean had those 8 < 1624417802 213702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: it was mostly how the noun's case can vary depending on the number that was intriguing < 1624417819 296111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and some numerals are non-inflectable, while others aren't. < 1624417881 403213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although i don't remember any details except that 1000000 seems to take genitive plural noun < 1624417886 178194 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :2 -- two -- два, двойка; pair -- пара; but also sometimes двойка means a pair in cases like a pair of horses, also тройка for three of them < 1624417887 330707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(at least sometimes) < 1624417925 51948 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1624417973 359736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: anything the relevance to translation is that if you try to automatically translate the numeral and the noun separately, you'll get it wrong < 1624418005 299808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if you distinguish between singular and plural nouns, which is the only thing which matters in norwegian. < 1624418018 676049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and english too, i guess. < 1624418039 841751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :no wait norwegian has gender. but not cases. < 1624418101 626873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :tldr: if you make a translation software without knowing anything about languages other than english, you're hosed. < 1624418116 642718 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, numbers don't have gender in Russian but digits are all female < 1624418153 706937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: the number 1 has the same gender as the noun, surely? that's the other thing i remember. < 1624418191 774457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean the kind of number you put in front of nouns, not the ones you use for counting, which i guess might be different. < 1624418234 295238 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :make one man - сделать одного мужчину; make one woman -- сделать одну женщину < 1624418282 39735 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :by "don't have gender" I mean they take the gender of the word they count < 1624418391 528980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1624418404 6212 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :two (of something male) -- два, two (of something female) -- две, two humans -- двое < 1624418477 715773 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :two males -- два or двое, two females -- две or двое, two mixed -- двое < 1624418662 965149 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, these is only about 1 and 2, and starting from 3 there is still a form for counting humans but no distinction between male and female; 3 - три, трое < 1624418738 969366 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like native language is more complex than you think because these rules aren't being taught explicitly, you mostly already know them when you come to school < 1624418965 882987 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, now I imagine a programming language where you use case to call some methods on an object, like type casting < 1624419395 357831 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624419488 696224 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624419523 592441 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1624419523 874281 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1624419780 698366 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624420068 902353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: have you looked at Perligata < 1624420090 477934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :not quite methods though < 1624420399 87973 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :рah < 1624420403 52137 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*hah > 1624422046 517402 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84931&oldid=84929 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+436) 10/* Introductions */ < 1624422540 145846 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624422808 103381 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624423910 289396 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :taught bf->rasel translator to make paths across already existing lines of code by inserting spaces in them -- size of helloworld improved from 2000 to 1000 chats < 1624424362 901847 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Currently the program doesn't print "Hello World!" but "you're a cunt" (I don't know what means that). I've changed the code to the one that is in the spanish Wikipedia." < 1624424372 773529 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(c) wikipedia brainfuck discussions page < 1624424447 758940 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon > 1624424706 329076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84932 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+3064) 10Created page with "Blood32 is a language designed to emulate a Turing machine with terse syntax. It is a language designed for experimentation with abstract computation. Blood32 stands for Bool..." < 1624424742 753735 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1624425149 705458 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1624425350 150611 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84933&oldid=84932 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+78) 10 > 1624425419 156068 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84934&oldid=84933 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-17) 10 < 1624425432 376194 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi > 1624425473 867179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84935&oldid=84934 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+6) 10 > 1624425943 633939 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84936&oldid=84935 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1984) 10 < 1624426750 925782 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, the brainfuck helloworld on rosettacode is also silently broken -- it prints Goodbye, Wrold! < 1624429633 431832 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha < 1624429635 749965 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i like that < 1624429715 33715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :noone will ever know < 1624430344 23704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaky < 1624431948 187829 :RocketRace!~RocketRac@2400:4153:8481:a000:7491:d974:cad0:78cb JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] RocketRace < 1624432318 504767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624432591 212942 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624432626 332437 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1624432852 250000 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1624432966 174078 :RocketRace!~RocketRac@2400:4153:8481:a000:7491:d974:cad0:78cb QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1624433105 520470 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624433128 696650 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624434734 401296 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1624435644 245558 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: -nek is the third one, the third most common after nominative and object case, the one I didn't say anything about it and that is the most heavily overloaded < 1624435694 714725 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also causes the most ambiguities in practice because it's so overloaded, you often find trying to write sentences with two nouns in -nak case bound to two different other parts of the sentence and having to rewrite to avoid that < 1624435713 258316 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1624435869 634192 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624435919 644437 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624436449 174473 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624436942 335101 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624437386 249190 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624438767 214073 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.postimg.cc/dt4fmztx/conversation.png < 1624438918 52909 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624439400 688977 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624441701 433518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84937&oldid=84928 5* 03Rphii 5* (+215) 10/* Instructions */ replace "counter" with "timer" and add section "stack" > 1624441732 131141 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84938&oldid=84937 5* 03Rphii 5* (-35) 10/* Rules */ removed text is in section "scope" > 1624441810 819733 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84939&oldid=84938 5* 03Rphii 5* (-2) 10replace "counter" with "timer" > 1624442366 317686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S l o w14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84940&oldid=84316 5* 03Loris redstone 5* (+0) 10an error in a word > 1624442856 409610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84941&oldid=84939 5* 03Rphii 5* (+183) 10added section and notice about interpreter > 1624443724 573317 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AmNow 5* 10New user account > 1624443882 763002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84942&oldid=84931 5* 03AmNow 5* (+184) 10 > 1624443968 142269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84943 5* 03AmNow 5* (+98) 10Created page with "Hello, I am AmNow. I havent posted my esolangs yet, but hopefully we can see one in the future." > 1624445708 462949 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()s14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84944 5* 03AmNow 5* (+1009) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title={}s}} {}s (pronounced: Sets) is an esolang made by [[User:AmNow]]. (Phelo Saad) == Commands == {}: Expression (can be nested) ie: {%+%} %: the constant..." > 1624445798 42780 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84945&oldid=84943 5* 03AmNow 5* (-27) 10 > 1624445849 9115 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84946&oldid=84945 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10 > 1624445915 919914 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84947&oldid=84946 5* 03AmNow 5* (+7) 10Changed wording. > 1624446377 495426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()s14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84948&oldid=84944 5* 03AmNow 5* (+59) 10cats > 1624446469 372292 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()s14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84949&oldid=84948 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10misspell > 1624446699 165018 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84950&oldid=84923 5* 03AmNow 5* (+10) 10Added Language < 1624446953 267919 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624446959 445341 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :bonjour > 1624447192 662007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84951&oldid=84918 5* 03AmNow 5* (+41) 10added lang < 1624447528 249023 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624448259 759353 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624448934 291224 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1624449398 505208 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84952&oldid=84947 5* 03AmNow 5* (+163) 10added other > 1624450070 937085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84953&oldid=84952 5* 03AmNow 5* (+4) 10grammar mistakes > 1624450465 386577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84954&oldid=84953 5* 03AmNow 5* (-4) 10 > 1624450596 414966 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84955&oldid=84941 5* 03Rphii 5* (+46) 10/* Commands */ add _ command and move [t|t], fix a t and some c > 1624451150 358433 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84956&oldid=84955 5* 03Rphii 5* (+219) 10/* Numbers */ move | < 1624451617 931800 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas > 1624452118 356722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84957&oldid=84956 5* 03Rphii 5* (+16) 10/* Hello World */ update < 1624452357 555320 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins > 1624452376 102327 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84958&oldid=84957 5* 03Rphii 5* (+130) 10/* Calculator */ update > 1624452466 828237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()s14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84959&oldid=84949 5* 03AmNow 5* (+56) 10 > 1624452797 679706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()s14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84960&oldid=84959 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10/* Computational Class */ Cats > 1624452813 565588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84961&oldid=84958 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Hello World */ fix mess-up > 1624452852 19649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84962&oldid=84936 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+67) 10Cats, header > 1624452900 449961 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84963&oldid=84950 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10Add Blood32 > 1624453146 265738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84964&oldid=84693 5* 03AmNow 5* (+29) 10 < 1624453280 84348 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude > 1624453338 433227 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84965&oldid=84964 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10 > 1624453705 37675 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84966 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+1656) 10Page created > 1624454057 610820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84967&oldid=84966 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+38) 10Added cat program > 1624455302 953202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84968&oldid=84967 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+0) 10 < 1624455348 351373 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624455443 242441 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624456346 614386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84969&oldid=84962 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+23) 10 < 1624456441 881119 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins > 1624456502 638581 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84970&oldid=84954 5* 03AmNow 5* (+13) 10 < 1624457241 648350 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc > 1624457266 356135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fohc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84971&oldid=84752 5* 03Matthilde 5* (-11) 10 < 1624457629 339121 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1624457703 571591 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1624457733 419804 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84972&oldid=84969 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+617) 10 < 1624459058 478989 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624459343 339948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84973&oldid=84961 5* 03Rphii 5* (+233) 10/* Stack */ further elaborate the behaviour of an empty stack > 1624459881 574470 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84974&oldid=84972 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1608) 10 < 1624460386 295302 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624460686 691713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84975&oldid=84974 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+878) 10 > 1624461380 387601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84976&oldid=84975 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+484) 10/* Pointer Operations */ > 1624461451 548693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84977&oldid=84976 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+103) 10/* Program Examples */ > 1624461512 202531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84978&oldid=84977 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+72) 10/* Program Examples */ > 1624461657 451480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84979&oldid=84978 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+101) 10/* Tokens */ > 1624461680 850138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84980&oldid=84979 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-118) 10 > 1624462697 476403 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84981&oldid=84980 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+486) 10 > 1624462969 917553 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84982&oldid=84973 5* 03Rphii 5* (+312) 10/* Instructions */ add section Escape Sequences and fix some logical issues in the section Stack > 1624463309 261010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84983&oldid=84982 5* 03Rphii 5* (+104) 10added section External resources > 1624463537 504355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84984&oldid=84981 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+501) 10 > 1624463674 467660 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84985&oldid=84984 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+44) 10/* Tape */ > 1624463883 57889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84986 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+21) 10Redirected page to [[Blood32]] > 1624463913 146943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bld3214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84987 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+19) 10Redirected page to [[Blood]] > 1624463949 415943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bld3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84988&oldid=84987 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10Changed redirect target from [[Blood]] to [[Blood32]] > 1624464084 865697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fohc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84989&oldid=84971 5* 03Matthilde 5* (+33) 10 > 1624464099 119206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84990&oldid=84985 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+66) 10 > 1624465037 436134 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84991&oldid=84990 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+9) 10 > 1624465069 438165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84992 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+46) 10Created page with "Hi, I'm Pixelated Starfish Creator of Blood32" > 1624465118 586324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84993&oldid=84991 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10 > 1624465151 760098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84994&oldid=84993 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-6) 10 > 1624465208 776464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84995&oldid=84994 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-4) 10/* Elements */ > 1624465234 31168 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84996&oldid=84995 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Tape */ > 1624465242 820341 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84997&oldid=84996 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Grid */ > 1624465425 368674 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84998&oldid=84997 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+24) 10 > 1624465452 619865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84999&oldid=84998 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10 > 1624465596 179379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85000&oldid=84999 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+91) 10/* External resources */ > 1624465620 982082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85001&oldid=85000 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-91) 10/* External resources */ > 1624465870 942757 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85002&oldid=85001 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+51) 10 > 1624465898 623911 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Bld32 7.png10]]" > 1624466020 655626 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85004&oldid=85002 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-7) 10 > 1624466043 735160 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85005&oldid=85004 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10 > 1624466063 237009 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85006&oldid=85005 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+3) 10 > 1624466148 113770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85007&oldid=85006 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+44) 10 > 1624466201 543783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85008&oldid=85007 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+20) 10 > 1624466237 568046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85009&oldid=84983 5* 03Rphii 5* (+429) 10/* Instructions */ added section Divide by Zero > 1624466329 324690 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85010&oldid=85008 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+16) 10 > 1624466388 95948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85011&oldid=85010 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+27) 10 < 1624466445 913569 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude > 1624466530 642071 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85012&oldid=85009 5* 03Rphii 5* (+67) 10/* Interpreter */ I > 1624466536 100358 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85013&oldid=85011 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1) 10 > 1624466631 553876 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85014&oldid=84968 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+10) 10Correction < 1624466873 908868 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Deadly Headshot (Mobile) < 1624467014 246116 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1624467351 245831 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins > 1624467455 163418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85015&oldid=85012 5* 03Rphii 5* (+211) 10/* Calculator */ add smaller variant < 1624467730 880780 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1624467803 372319 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Deadly Headshot (Mobile) < 1624468094 746235 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624468582 257838 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624468654 335715 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Deadly Headshot (Mobile) > 1624469136 880874 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85016&oldid=85015 5* 03Rphii 5* (+301) 10/* Commands */ added output commands with newline function and #-command > 1624469254 248049 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85017&oldid=85016 5* 03Rphii 5* (+100) 10/* Escape Sequences */ add escape sequence of # < 1624469752 748772 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624469871 148175 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624470486 70301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85018&oldid=85017 5* 03Rphii 5* (+60) 10/* Examples */ added "Fibonacci" program > 1624470656 864536 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85019&oldid=85018 5* 03Rphii 5* (+64) 10/* Commands */ clarify recently added commands > 1624470734 116467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85020&oldid=85019 5* 03Rphii 5* (+75) 10/* Stack */ clarify > 1624470883 578830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85021&oldid=85020 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ fix mess-up < 1624471618 646155 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude < 1624472046 355319 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624472265 916569 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1624472314 851204 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1624472827 337507 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624473074 563816 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624473576 378179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85022&oldid=85021 5* 03Rphii 5* (+134) 10/* Numbers */ added range < 1624473603 901496 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :re yesterday's language thing, one problem with counting noun cases in Hungarian is that it's not clear to me if there's a clear boundary between case endings and prepositions that you put after the nouns. some prepositions like "under" work basically the same as case endings, it's just that we write the endings that never add more than one syllable ran together without a space, and it's only those that < 1624473609 913090 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you count for cases. sure, case endings can also change the ending of the noun, but they can't change them in 15 different ways, you would probably only need four cases if you allowed writing any almost-fixed suffix with a space (almost-fixed as in the only thing that may vary is two-way or three-way vowel harmony) < 1624473667 160060 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1624473770 168330 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624473775 145785 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no wait, you'd need five cases, not four, because of -val < 1624473824 931911 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1624474009 335801 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: re "https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cas_grammatical#/media/Fichier:Number_of_grammatical_cases_hic01.png" looks funny < 1624474026 686754 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi > 1624474145 32976 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85023&oldid=85022 5* 03Rphii 5* (+184) 10/* Numbers */ clarify < 1624474218 197114 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also the complication of numerals in Hungarian, which complicate the model. numerals have unique affixes that you can only apply to them, including two that are case endings, plus they can get basically all the normal noun/adjective affixes < 1624474588 955140 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so when you have a numeral, you first add a suffix which can be (nothing (to result in a cardinal), -od or similar (to result in a reciprocial fraction), -odik or similar (to result in an ordinal), or -odika or similar (only used for date numbers within a month)) and THEN you add a case ending which can be most of the normal noun case endings, or the special -szor ("times"). and any of those infixes < 1624474594 944223 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :will of course change in form and change the form of whatever is immediately before them for all sorts of phonetic reasons, plus a few numerals have special irregular rules (like "first" and "second" in English). < 1624474637 902978 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not that this is in any way special, because ordinary nouns/adjectives and verbs also get multiple agreeing suffixes in sequence, and occasionally it's not even clear if something is one suffix or a common combination of two suffixes modified to unrecognizability < 1624474941 638891 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because verbs get suffixes for (any combination of (4 mode-tenses times 6 number-persons times 2 object agreements) with like 46 or 47 of the 48 combinations actually distinguishable for some verbs) or (an infinitive ending with one of 7 number-persons, so you can use it as either a noun phrase or an argument to an auxiliary verb) or (one of the three adjective participle endings so you can use it as an < 1624474947 643601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :epiteth or noun phrase) or (an adverb participle ending so you can use it as an adverb). < 1624475090 233431 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624475146 679053 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and nouns/adjectives can get (nothing or less often one of six number-person endings indicating a grammatical possessor) times (a plural marker or lack of it) times (a rare -é marker to indicate a possessor with elided possessed argument followed by another optional plural marker, or nothing) and THEN they get a case ending < 1624475155 836004 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that's if they aren't numerals < 1624475337 651983 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the bad news is that numerals are theoretically an open class, new numerals can be invented; the good news is that numerals are practically a closed class, it's almost impossible to invent a new numeral other than just prefixing an existing numeral with more words, because most numeral meanings that you may want to say are already invented, so I think pretty much the only way you can invent a new one is < 1624475343 660881 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(1) have a president ask how much is a "brazillion" and have this leaked, (2) invent a swearword, which is an open class becuase you can use anything as a swearword, then use that swearword frequently including as an intensifier, then use that swearword as a numeral because you can get away breaking most grammar with swearwords once they're so common that they're used as an intensifier > 1624475470 73671 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitbot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85024&oldid=84824 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+237) 10 < 1624475554 584600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and all this only works because numerals don't share any recognizable endings; I believe even with the power of swearwords you can't create a new verb that doesn't end in -Vl or -z or -Vd (V meaning any vowel) or -ik or one of the few more obscure ending and isn't an obvious compound of a well-known verb. < 1624475680 503448 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are further restrictions for most of those verb endings, so in practice most entirely new verbs, such as ones taken from English tech or science terminology, end in -ol/-el/-öl < 1624475799 393310 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the plus side, once you understand those rules, it's easy to create verbs: if you have basically any word, regardless part of speech, and mangled its phonology enough to be valid in Hungarian, you can pretty much slap -ol/-el/-öl and get a fine verb, unless that happens to badly clash with some other word < 1624475930 353246 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for making a new noun/adjective, you barely even need an ending, just massage the word to match phonological rules, possibly change the final vowel if it ends in a vowel, and you have a noun/adjective, again unless it badly clashes with an existing word so it would cause ambiguity < 1624476089 686422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for words ending in a vowel, ending in -o or -ö is absolutely banned, change it to -ó or -ö; ending in -u or -ü is banned for new words, change it to -ú or -ű; ending in -á or -é or -í should usually be avoided and changed to -a or -e or -í but not completely forbidden, so only half of the vowels are available, but basically any consonant < 1624476142 3972 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/to -ó or -ö/to -ó or -ő/ > 1624476527 909110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85025&oldid=85013 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+43) 10 < 1624476754 296300 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624477101 895384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 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ZZZzzz… < 1624482546 164972 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1624482897 397891 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624482897 551851 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :[https://kiwiirc.com] salpynx > 1624482936 211486 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85061&oldid=85060 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+42) 10/* Behaviors */ > 1624482984 68573 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85062&oldid=85061 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* The Tape */ > 1624482992 754707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85063&oldid=85062 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* The Grid */ > 1624483008 275336 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85064&oldid=85063 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* Pointer Operations */ > 1624483036 273735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Prototype-based paradigm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85065&oldid=84904 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+39) 10 > 1624483197 233305 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85066&oldid=85064 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1) 10 > 1624483218 639628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85067&oldid=85066 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10 < 1624483226 895803 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1624483277 185022 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox > 1624483376 669882 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Educational14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85068 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+139) 10Created page with "==Educational Languages== These languages are designed for educational purposes, such as for teaching, or learning through experimentation." > 1624483425 455576 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85069&oldid=85067 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */ < 1624483580 129455 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624483730 178896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85070&oldid=85069 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+140) 10 > 1624483759 27262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85071&oldid=85070 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+14) 10/* Tobysil */ < 1624484444 248237 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1624484553 282404 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Clart14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85072&oldid=84917 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+25) 10/* Execute Flag */ > 1624484588 255484 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Clart14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85073&oldid=85072 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+1) 10/* Functions */ < 1624486591 828568 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :GF < 1624487765 255448 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moon < 1624488452 11123 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624490276 293046 :GF!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :[iovoid] > 1624490624 833123 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85074&oldid=85035 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+529) 10Added another C-INTERCAL truth machine < 1624491001 777684 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, what is the difference betwen a "paucity" and a "scarcity"? < 1624491001 954933 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: i think that lshort tutorial is the best programmer who is still arround. :p > 1624492092 148797 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85075&oldid=85071 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+656) 10/* Tobysil */ > 1624492135 729620 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85076&oldid=85075 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10/* Restrictions */ > 1624492242 283040 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 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5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+7) 10/* Tokens */ > 1624492625 106261 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85083&oldid=85082 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* Pointer operations */ < 1624492640 205776 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1624492690 870145 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1624492811 163994 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1624492811 214342 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1624492837 919047 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1624492863 966173 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit > 1624492917 508684 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85084&oldid=85083 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* 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Proof of Turing Completeness */ > 1624497044 940570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85100&oldid=85099 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+5) 10/* A Note on Turing Completeness */ > 1624497062 409118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85101&oldid=85100 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-4) 10/* On Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ > 1624497092 944544 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85102&oldid=85101 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* On Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ > 1624497121 818562 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85103&oldid=85102 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ > 1624497182 382333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85104&oldid=85103 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-3) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ > 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#esolangs * :ircseeker2 < 1624499944 886198 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1624501797 184159 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1624504088 186314 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85109&oldid=85108 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10 > 1624504161 135271 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85110&oldid=85109 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1) 10/* Hello World */ > 1624504373 183434 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85111&oldid=85110 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-2) 10 > 1624504920 27173 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:HecknTarnation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85112 5* 03HecknTarnation 5* (+105) 10Created page with "Hi! I'm a guy who has found a recent interest in esolangs. I have currently written one esolang (YATDEL)." < 1624505905 253037 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624505916 336878 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624505979 176186 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1624506341 352752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85113&oldid=84992 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+397) 10 > 1624506392 641972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Ps.png10]]" > 1624506479 783335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85115&oldid=85113 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-67) 10 > 1624506729 492911 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85116&oldid=85115 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+80) 10 > 1624507027 477568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85117&oldid=85116 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+95) 10 > 1624507049 829226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85118&oldid=85117 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+10) 10 > 1624508060 359969 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Blood3214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85119 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+5) 10Created page with "Hi :D" > 1624508403 795065 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85120&oldid=85111 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+299) 10 > 1624508458 628491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85121&oldid=85120 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-7) 10 > 1624508590 240510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85122&oldid=85121 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+44) 10 > 1624508949 979842 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85123&oldid=85122 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+8) 10 > 1624508991 342582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85124&oldid=85123 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-8) 10 > 1624509095 606346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85125&oldid=85124 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+8) 10 > 1624509152 212967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85126&oldid=85125 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-68) 10 > 1624509183 717043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85127&oldid=85126 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+22) 10 > 1624509219 196547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85128&oldid=85127 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+13) 10 > 1624509288 945291 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85129&oldid=85128 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+16) 10 > 1624509397 852433 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85130&oldid=85129 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+100) 10 > 1624509418 499861 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85131&oldid=85130 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-50) 10 > 1624509444 60108 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85132&oldid=85131 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10 > 1624509787 125622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07YATDEL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85133 5* 03HecknTarnation 5* (+3277) 10Created page with "YATDEL (Yet Another Two-Dimensional Esoteric Language) is, obviously, a two-dimensional stack-based esoteric language created by [[User:HecknTarnation]]. Code is executed star..." > 1624509864 87322 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85134&oldid=85049 5* 03HecknTarnation 5* (+13) 10/* Y */ > 1624509934 494826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:HecknTarnation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85135&oldid=85112 5* 03HecknTarnation 5* (+1) 10 > 1624510031 744672 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:HecknTarnation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85136&oldid=85135 5* 03HecknTarnation 5* (-2) 10 < 1624510054 164351 :ircseeker!~nodebot@185.240.244.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1624510087 718676 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85137&oldid=85132 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-51) 10 > 1624510093 669781 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07YATDEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85138&oldid=85133 5* 03HecknTarnation 5* (+1) 10 > 1624510111 919582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85139&oldid=85137 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10 > 1624510149 266168 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85140&oldid=85139 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+12) 10 > 1624510421 706473 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85141&oldid=85140 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-12) 10 > 1624510472 523910 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85142&oldid=85141 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+16) 10 < 1624512341 697669 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1624512701 217170 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon JOIN #esolangs chronon :chronon > 1624513065 819052 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85143&oldid=85142 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+19) 10 < 1624515357 314783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha, ouch. https://nitter.fdn.fr/CompSciFact/status/1400116315839504389#m < 1624515444 275179 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are they going to add Hamster archive format into any of the programs with multiple formats (such as 7-Zip or bsdtar)? It can require to explicitly specify the type of the file in this case (I don't know if the internal code of these programs currently supports such a use, but it can be useful for some other formats too; I know of a few more) < 1624515582 307301 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: They say: "That's the second hardest problem. The hardest one is that everybody but me have stupid ideas!" I think not quite; the hardest one is that everybody including me have stupid ideas! > 1624517221 738502 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:The Temporary Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85144&oldid=67533 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+956) 10 > 1624517538 927880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Number Seventy-Four14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85145&oldid=79620 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+168) 10 < 1624517854 216868 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624519171 704545 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624519209 438625 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624519930 895808 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1624519974 431088 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1624521338 332144 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624521607 473513 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624522018 638878 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624522161 632084 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624523768 792654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624524311 90156 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624524421 350547 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1624525426 152017 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1624525459 652450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85146&oldid=85023 5* 03Rphii 5* (+73) 10/* Hello World */ add simpler version < 1624529825 636286 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624534892 555820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85147 5* 03AmNow 5* (+1386) 10content > 1624534921 167678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85148&oldid=85147 5* 03AmNow 5* (+4) 10 > 1624534987 322439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85149&oldid=85148 5* 03AmNow 5* (-99) 10 > 1624535034 13063 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85150&oldid=84970 5* 03AmNow 5* (+25) 10 > 1624535129 880430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85151&oldid=85134 5* 03AmNow 5* (+25) 10added lang > 1624535373 838125 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85152&oldid=85149 5* 03AmNow 5* (+98) 10 > 1624535419 517603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85153&oldid=85152 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10 < 1624535433 784999 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624535450 630113 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if thre is any chat in the world that doesn't support /me > 1624535478 165040 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85154&oldid=85153 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10 < 1624535505 813263 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they didn't imlpement it just because Russian users are usually enough illiterate to not know if there are any other chats in internet at all after the ICQ popularity loss < 1624535518 58173 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so they don't notice this flaw at all < 1624535544 852705 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pretty sure talk(1) doesn't. But maybe that doesn't count. < 1624535595 70494 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I lost the word from the first message < 1624535598 283225 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the Telegram < 1624535602 534679 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :ytalk is awesome < 1624535660 69585 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was a chat thing in the BBS I used to frequent (because with Smodem, you can chat *while* you download -- whatever will they think of next), and I think it probably didn't do /me either. < 1624535660 967707 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's funny how you write "/me something" in telegram and people are clicking the "/me" that results in sending the empty "/me" message < 1624535677 898677 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and they wonder why nothing happens and ask you if you are an idiot that you use the unexisting command < 1624535716 345141 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: wasn't kermit the nice protocol? :) < 1624535818 276553 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We did SMODEM because it was a Finnish invention, and you have to be patriotic with your protocols. < 1624535870 202974 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is true and likely the only reason you are still on IRC. < 1624536113 237850 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :today peope consider the instagram direct messaging the most popular and must-have chat < 1624536125 49122 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least here < 1624536143 182940 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1624536144 225609 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe they can't /me too but I can't check < 1624536147 671792 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a messenger on instagram? < 1624536161 761499 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :or .. nevermind, i don't really care < 1624536163 574992 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah they call it "direct" < 1624536209 638053 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if you want to contact the medical clinic you'll be supposed to contact them via it < 1624536222 921628 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :private clinic < 1624536225 57095 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs ::)) < 1624536336 360191 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember when instagram was for girls to show their nails and breakfasts but now it's a must-have for all kinds of people and of all ages; if somehow you've leaked the fact that you don't have instagram you are a damn marginal outsider > 1624536538 114575 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03FireCubez 5* 10moved [[02FLIPER Computer10]] to [[FLIPER]] < 1624536825 800502 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah like, how was it called < 1624536829 253390 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn this thing that bands used < 1624536841 269104 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :myspace! < 1624536871 138712 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it died before we were internetized < 1624536877 503097 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :i've been told by friends who were playing in a band that without a myspace presence you'd hardly be able to play in bars etc. < 1624536982 634781 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624537067 408380 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :(back then) > 1624537308 940579 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PAO14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85157 5* 03AmNow 5* (+32) 10Redirected page to [[Pops Are Overrated]] < 1624537319 981198 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, recently someone talked about crawling the channel list on the network > 1624537326 944909 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03OllyTheFoldy 5* 10New user account < 1624537350 927134 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's easier now since /whois on freenode now shows all the channels, lol > 1624537441 620777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85158&oldid=84942 5* 03OllyTheFoldy 5* (+151) 10 > 1624538143 553311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OllyTheFoldy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85159 5* 03OllyTheFoldy 5* (+157) 10Created page with "I'm [[User:Gilbert189]]. I forgot my password, so I have to make this account. ==ASCII art hehe== |VVV| [ ] <|___|> V V Wait, that has bullets!" > 1624538384 337710 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85160&oldid=85154 5* 03AmNow 5* (+2) 10/* Hello World! */: Fixed > 1624538397 890617 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Gilbert18914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85161&oldid=84455 5* 03OllyTheFoldy 5* (+86) 10 > 1624538805 583221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python is Magic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85162&oldid=84634 5* 03OllyTheFoldy 5* (+46) 10/* Implementation */ > 1624539217 979290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python is Magic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85163&oldid=85162 5* 03OllyTheFoldy 5* (-12) 10/* yes */ < 1624540824 279211 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624540832 292134 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85164&oldid=85160 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10/* Truth Machine */ > 1624541333 465533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85165&oldid=85164 5* 03AmNow 5* (+189) 10/* Commands */ > 1624541471 407449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Provitia 5* 10New user account > 1624541572 768508 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85166&oldid=85158 5* 03Provitia 5* (+94) 10/* Introductions */ < 1624542240 220806 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie is this the talk you've mentioned? https://lurkmore.so/images/e/e2/Unix_talk.jpg < 1624542404 156719 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1624542471 573748 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :we used this in university dormitory https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intranet_Chat < 1624542572 587390 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: that would depend on whether a user only has user mode +i because that's the server default, or because they have their client explicitly request it after connecting < 1624542662 209556 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow I didn't even remember it had so many settings http://vn-alex.narod.ru/ru/screenshots.htm < 1624542670 434771 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: chat while you download? wow < 1624542726 324670 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this one of those magic boxes where if you happen to say ATH in chat, it doesn't disconnect your modem? < 1624542773 156831 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" today peope consider the instagram direct messaging the most popular and must-have chat" => no, I think facebook chat is still the most fashionable one < 1624542886 926019 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not here < 1624542897 946273 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's the same company anyway, they advertise each other < 1624542986 576181 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people don't even know they don't need apps to send photos between spartphones -- they are absolutely forced to believe that they HAVE to install the facebook's app Whatsap to send media > 1624543046 752760 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85167 5* 03Provitia 5* (+260) 10HakerScript is an esoteric language made for esolang jam hosted on [[https://discord.gg/gu4CaQ59Ap Truttle1 Discord Server]] < 1624543118 518473 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I think that's rather old news. people have been installing lots of unncessary software and drivers and perpetuating advice about them for as long back as I started to work with computers < 1624543173 478369 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol one hyperlink from iChat wikipedia page leads to a pornsite now < 1624543301 558921 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624543779 197772 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85168&oldid=85167 5* 03Provitia 5* (+360) 10/* Overview */ > 1624543808 362204 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85169&oldid=85168 5* 03Provitia 5* (-26) 10 > 1624544007 343300 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85170&oldid=85150 5* 03AmNow 5* (+16) 10 < 1624544164 611766 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins > 1624544263 599879 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85171&oldid=85169 5* 03Provitia 5* (+482) 10 < 1624544342 530553 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1237 < 1624544345 50682 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1237.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1624544439 233344 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that looks like talk(1). I remember the split-screen layout. < 1624544495 251104 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also good old Windows Chat, over NetBIOS. > 1624544504 413746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85172&oldid=85171 5* 03Provitia 5* (+540) 10 < 1624544533 116151 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And WinPopup. WinPopup got a lot of use in the school setting. < 1624544698 624088 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624544731 310153 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85173&oldid=79571 5* 03Matthilde 5* (+114) 10/* Optimizing implementations */ > 1624544877 610619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85174&oldid=85172 5* 03Provitia 5* (+456) 10 > 1624545066 345277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85175&oldid=85174 5* 03Provitia 5* (+236) 10 > 1624545093 691126 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85176&oldid=85175 5* 03Provitia 5* (+15) 10 < 1624545286 635762 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624545432 401858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85177&oldid=85176 5* 03Provitia 5* (+631) 10 > 1624545587 921326 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85178&oldid=85177 5* 03Provitia 5* (+192) 10/* Truth machine */ < 1624545672 338980 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624545689 598788 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85179&oldid=85178 5* 03Provitia 5* (+183) 10 > 1624545765 17589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85180&oldid=85179 5* 03Provitia 5* (+1) 10/* Basics */ > 1624545839 31074 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85181&oldid=85180 5* 03Provitia 5* (+675) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ > 1624545910 214554 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:The Temporary Stack14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85182&oldid=85144 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+547) 10Reply < 1624546020 153695 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624546038 78084 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Temporary Stack14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85183&oldid=78738 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-76) 10/* Instructions */ Clarify/reword > 1624546060 145189 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85184&oldid=85181 5* 03Provitia 5* (-37) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ > 1624546084 949070 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85185&oldid=85184 5* 03Provitia 5* (+183) 10 > 1624546104 93943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85186&oldid=85185 5* 03Provitia 5* (+1) 10/* Implementations */ < 1624546133 815624 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah that iChat author asid they used WinPopup before iChat and that iChat uses so called MailSlots and that he doesn't really fully know how it works > 1624546137 149925 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85187&oldid=85186 5* 03Provitia 5* (-264) 10HakerScript is an esoteric language made by [[Provitia]] for esolang jam hosted on [https://discord.gg/gu4CaQ59Ap Truttle1 Discord Server]. It's intended to be both confusing and readable at the same time. And yes, typo here is for a reason, okay? > 1624546143 656890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MrBrain295 5* 10New user account > 1624546173 954704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85188&oldid=85187 5* 03Provitia 5* (+210) 10 > 1624546890 24360 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85189&oldid=85188 5* 03Provitia 5* (+106) 10/* Basics */ < 1624547017 249893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1624547315 198472 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624547360 28589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85190&oldid=85166 5* 03MrBrain295 5* (+76) 10 > 1624547430 435695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85191&oldid=85190 5* 03MrBrain295 5* (+24) 10 > 1624547559 462271 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mom please get me so me zucchini from sho p14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85192&oldid=78473 5* 03MrBrain295 5* (+81) 10Added how comments work. > 1624547930 752866 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07YATDEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85193&oldid=85138 5* 03HecknTarnation 5* (+88) 10/* Abstract Files */ > 1624548118 474796 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Plts14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85194&oldid=81238 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (-23) 10 < 1624548414 905039 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude > 1624548879 718063 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ewpl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85195&oldid=81239 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (-23) 10 < 1624548928 330829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624548928 939212 :ski!~ski@ed-3358-10.studat.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624548929 177167 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624548929 278025 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624548929 322677 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.highgate.irccloud.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624548929 650059 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624548940 320753 :ski!~ski@ed-3358-10.studat.chalmers.se JOIN #esolangs * :Stefan Ljungstrand < 1624548945 96385 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 JOIN #esolangs * :myname < 1624548972 785729 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.highgate.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :aarchi < 1624548978 920185 :mich181189!sid268336@id-268336.tinside.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :Michael < 1624549006 613396 :mich181189!sid268336@id-268336.tinside.irccloud.com CHGHOST sid268336 :londonhackspace/mich181189 < 1624549046 307776 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de JOIN #esolangs sknebel :sknebel > 1624549058 324613 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Number Seventy-Four14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85196&oldid=85145 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+150) 10/* Questions */ Answer < 1624549117 225633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1624549131 628206 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624549214 770447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85197&oldid=85165 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Computational Class */ Categories > 1624549234 429837 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85198&oldid=82987 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+271) 10added wheel bug entry > 1624549251 538050 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85199&oldid=85198 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+2) 10 > 1624549274 221842 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85200&oldid=85199 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+1) 10added bullets > 1624549488 899191 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85201&oldid=85189 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+10) 10User: in link < 1624549813 150422 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624550415 762247 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624550492 252719 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624550547 646115 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1624550845 492489 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dotter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85202&oldid=81240 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (-23) 10 < 1624551010 183025 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1624551093 705194 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624551170 948801 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are rubiks cube PLLs: {A,U,J,R,N}{a,b},H,Z,T,Y,V,E,G{a,b,c,d} < 1624551174 440832 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that is all of them < 1624551207 249098 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I missed one, There is also F < 1624551215 244982 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :{A,U,J,R,N}{a,b},H,Z,T,Y,V,E,F,G{a,b,c,d} < 1624551217 542954 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway < 1624551234 573287 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :along with U moves, they have an arithmetic (form a group) < 1624551242 165985 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have some equations like E = T * U2 * T < 1624551246 287016 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :(U is a 90 degree rotation) < 1624551319 633504 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1624551682 711906 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624552659 993679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85203&oldid=85197 5* 03AmNow 5* (-2) 10/* Computational Class */ < 1624553001 145884 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624553273 155593 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624553316 680217 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624553348 854437 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85204&oldid=85051 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+25) 10 > 1624553405 218480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85205&oldid=85204 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-2) 10 < 1624554250 348334 :monoxane!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624554715 300395 :monoxane!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1624555021 580298 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624555672 623796 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624555765 635783 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624556425 549496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WinReg14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85206 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+3442) 10Created page with "WinReg is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Dominicentek]]. It's syntax is similar to his other language called [[FolderCode]]. Instead of it being a folder s..." > 1624556454 470384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WinReg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85207&oldid=85206 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+45) 10 > 1624556503 569290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85208&oldid=85151 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+13) 10 > 1624556525 825031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85209&oldid=85205 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-10) 10 < 1624558494 570418 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: I don't know what all those letters mean > 1624558528 146589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85210&oldid=85086 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-16) 10/* Instructions */ < 1624558584 590848 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the letter is a name for a PLL < 1624558601 480936 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://jperm.net/algs/pll < 1624558622 17566 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i could have a program that lets me to arithmetic with them < 1624558630 868545 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :T * U2 * T it would calculate the result E < 1624558809 193494 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's group theory, like in the esolang Finite Groups. < 1624558835 819435 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Except here I think riv's letters refer to the rotations available on a Rubik's Cube. < 1624558910 634953 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1624559087 294416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85211&oldid=85210 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-63) 10/* Instructions */ < 1624559493 625020 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624559678 669433 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Client Quit < 1624560087 770400 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624560707 627371 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is what they said about my "Scientific Role Playing System": I think your icon should be Rosalind Franklin in a white lab coat pouring something onto a waffle. < 1624561139 322139 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624561163 772844 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1624563242 616543 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624563294 899664 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624563494 27333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85212&oldid=85208 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+22) 10/* B */ < 1624563562 888099 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1624563671 695645 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitCode/PicCode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85213 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+188) 10Created page with "Bitcode is an image programming language. It uses pixels in an image as code. Later docs will come soon. Hello world: File:C:\Users\roger\source\repos\Bitcode\bin\Debug\cod..." > 1624563797 274293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitCode/PicCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85214&oldid=85213 5* 03Goglesq 5* (-32) 10 > 1624563819 345716 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitCode/PicCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85215&oldid=85214 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+0) 10 > 1624563840 457430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitCode/PicCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85216&oldid=85215 5* 03Goglesq 5* (-10) 10 > 1624564019 677360 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitCode/PicCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85217&oldid=85216 5* 03Goglesq 5* (+886) 10 < 1624564342 489013 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624564490 644394 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1624573419 699971 :jryans!~jryansmat@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs jryans :@jryans:matrix.org < 1624573419 700016 :j-bot!~jbot@2a02:e00:ffec:76e::a JOIN #esolangs * :jevalbot < 1624573419 700029 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/ansible.staff.relrod JOIN #esolangs relrod :rickymain < 1624573419 707012 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly JOIN #esolangs FireFly :firefly < 1624573419 707038 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs Corbin :Corbin < 1624573419 707069 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space JOIN #esolangs SoniEx2 :No, that is not a cloak/vhost. < 1624573419 707081 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@id-79547.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs ProofTechnique :ptech < 1624573461 570650 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf JOIN #esolangs shachaf :Shachaf Ben-Kiki < 1624573464 515059 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon JOIN #esolangs nakilon :Victor Maslov < 1624573464 515129 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1624573503 992326 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@cpc108961-cmbg20-2-0-cust10.5-4.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Ron < 1624573504 41990 :monoxane!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1624573650 745046 :sech1ptheythem[m!~sech1ppri@2001:470:69fc:105::2b26 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1624573654 388491 :fizzie[m]!~fizziezem@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624573683 406129 :jryans!~jryansmat@2001:470:69fc:105::1d QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624573705 812287 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624573928 485818 :integral!sid296274@id-296274.tooting.irccloud.com CHGHOST sid296274 :user/integral < 1624575272 275449 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :[https://kiwiirc.com] salpynx < 1624575663 300813 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1 < 1624575838 484283 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, Steam's recommending me a game called "while True: learn()" which is allegedly about machine learning and cats. < 1624575846 443393 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Their targeted ads are pretty targeted. < 1624576519 964831 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1624578083 396753 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1624578835 86430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85235&oldid=85211 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10/* Instructions */ Fix a grammar > 1624578915 47121 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85236&oldid=85232 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-17) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ Oh come on < 1624578984 155712 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1624580033 107730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85237&oldid=84965 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+237) 10Link knil > 1624580917 223990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85238&oldid=85118 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+7) 10 > 1624580930 819448 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85239&oldid=85238 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10 > 1624581006 576803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Uyjhmn n14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85240&oldid=81591 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-4) 10/* IDE */ > 1624581434 735344 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03WreckingGames 5* 10New user account < 1624581895 29834 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, what's the difference between a teeter-totter and a kitty-corner? < 1624581895 177871 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: not recommended. i will > 1624581967 435527 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85241&oldid=85191 5* 03WreckingGames 5* (+111) 10 > 1624582051 148154 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85242&oldid=85241 5* 03WreckingGames 5* (+17) 10 < 1624582502 916274 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I made up a (currently incomplete) list of code page numbers, mainly based on the IBM code page numbers, but secondarily Microsoft and FreeDOS, and some new assignments; none of the new assignments are considered to be finalized yet, though. > 1624588562 93213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85243 5* 03MrBrain295 5* (+233) 10Add *++ > 1624588606 855515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85244&oldid=85243 5* 03MrBrain295 5* (+1) 10Tiny fix < 1624591744 433344 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624592360 917430 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624592386 216601 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1624592436 241268 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1624594554 311754 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624594558 962414 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1624597443 122434 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I finally started making the comparison table of pastebins https://i.imgur.com/FunBBR3.png < 1624597689 891956 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, also add sprunge, and also add a column if it is working without JavaScripts/CSS, column for syntax highlighting at all (you have preview, but not about at all), and possibly some others < 1624597708 995262 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is also helpful to have available the table as text or CSV, rather than a picture < 1624597815 451766 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You might also add question marks for unknown data < 1624597872 282749 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sprunge has only unlisted mode < 1624598368 655508 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like their form is broken, it does not open at all https://i.imgur.com/Y6CQ3FG.png < 1624598459 262536 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is a link with a data: URI; try copying the link and then pasting it to the address bar. Some browsers and some browser extensions might not support direct links to data: URIs. < 1624598518 432595 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also, you can still use curl even if the HTML form doesn't work.) < 1624598560 704211 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Although I don't know why they don't just include the form inline instead of using a data: URI) < 1624599128 275286 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"08:08:29 It is also helpful to have available the table as text or CSV, rather than a picture" -- this will go here https://github.com/Nakilon/pcbr-demo so you'll have both text and markdown table after it runs the ranking < 1624599484 18481 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK < 1624599798 223752 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1624599949 206493 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1624600777 635389 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624601928 974957 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624602475 638361 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624604028 881570 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624606567 166595 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Number Seventy-Four14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85245&oldid=79633 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+131) 10 < 1624606884 630779 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624607764 398916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85246&oldid=85201 5* 03Provitia 5* (+255) 10 > 1624607826 243123 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85247&oldid=85246 5* 03Provitia 5* (-3) 10/* Package reference */ < 1624608213 626304 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624608240 505861 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"column for syntax highlighting at all" -- the number of supported langs = 0 means no syntax highlight available < 1624608251 120638 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK < 1624608303 233896 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624608368 472278 :sech1ptheythem[m!~sech1ppri@2001:470:69fc:105::2b26 JOIN #esolangs * :@sech1p:privacytools.io < 1624608431 730591 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1624610452 164326 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85248&oldid=85247 5* 03Provitia 5* (+23) 10 > 1624610543 182036 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85249&oldid=85248 5* 03Provitia 5* (+132) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ < 1624610833 400364 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1624610843 562005 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624610863 14750 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1624613091 978946 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed > 1624613997 344767 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85250&oldid=82859 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (-30) 10Fixed a href < 1624614894 800090 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :made a table of 15 pastebins https://i.imgur.com/V65WXW2.png < 1624614921 392241 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't really rank them though, too many columns < 1624614937 134308 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624614983 188448 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's funny how you decided not to put it in one of those pastebins < 1624615032 348289 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :which one? < 1624615039 686001 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1624615042 28256 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I got you < 1624615053 818112 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the table is too wide though < 1624615102 907290 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :surely not a problem when just served as plaintext? that usually doesn't wordwrap < 1624615113 650773 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but yes indeed, it would be more useful as an actual text table than a screenshot..) < 1624615226 350967 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :gist.github.com should have fork=1, no? < 1624615256 532437 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's here https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Nakilon/pcbr-demo/master/pastebins.txt < 1624615281 701969 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :*nod* < 1624615497 876899 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, you made a list of pastebins and you share it as a png image of all things? < 1624615522 317645 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no https://paste.debian.net/ and no http://mathb.in/ :-P < 1624615549 428624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(these are the ones I tend to use; the latter is rather special purpose though) < 1624615556 65483 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: you could add dpaste.com < 1624615568 631862 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :dpaste is in there < 1624615601 229411 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, that's dpaste.org < 1624615613 779146 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I said dpaste.com < 1624615628 985162 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, I look at https://bsd.to/ now and it's for some reason pretty much the same as dpaste < 1624615639 934451 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1624615642 233400 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :let's face it... everyone and their dog has a pastebin on the internet < 1624615699 465065 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wanted to make this table back in 2008 or something < 1624615722 158764 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, found it, 2010 < 1624615757 272412 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably half of them is dead now https://i.imgur.com/LEWMSOA.png < 1624615858 857707 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: plus there's some program evaluator sites work as pastebins too, including https://ideone.com/ https://rextester.com/ https://play.rust-lang.org/ < 1624615880 47874 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ideally I need to make a JS web page that would allow you to chose the columns you care about to rank the list personally for you but I'm yet to make such page, can't ass myself to implement the algorithm in JS < 1624615889 70240 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :half of them is dead now => true, I have link to some dead ones too < 1624615905 727525 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas yeah, I think I'll exclude the evaluators though < 1624615916 926475 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hpaste, set up by haskellers, was a particularly unique one in that it was configured to a very short max length limit of the paste < 1624615994 122928 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 JOIN #esolangs * :@fizzie:zem.fi < 1624616115 895823 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, I remember, I wanted to make this table for a post on a popular Russian IT blog platform < 1624616125 850362 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but my karma went to -100 before I finished < 1624616237 622607 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I was unable to post it, heh, people deprived themselves a content they would love to have < 1624616277 624913 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624616434 434663 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I see, https://bsd.to/ "looks like dpaste" because it's opensource -- probably just different configured limits and domain age > 1624616825 367436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DoFor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85251&oldid=85230 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (-1) 10/* using a librairy: */ > 1624616858 580039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DoFor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85252&oldid=85251 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (+0) 10/* using a librairy: */ < 1624616938 552113 :sech1ptheythem[m!~sech1ppri@2001:470:69fc:105::2b26 QUIT :Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM < 1624616938 717686 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 QUIT :Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM < 1624617035 811112 :jryans!~jryansmat@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs * :@jryans:matrix.org < 1624617269 474775 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :omg debian pastebin has XML RPC as API, idk how I will test its size limits < 1624617270 953992 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 JOIN #esolangs Deewiant :@deewiant:maon.fi < 1624617283 988171 :sech1ptheythem[m!~sech1ppri@2001:470:69fc:105::2b26 JOIN #esolangs * :@sech1p:privacytools.io < 1624617288 574033 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :most likely I won't < 1624617297 45577 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 JOIN #esolangs * :@fizzie:zem.fi < 1624617371 917725 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :nvm, I'll test the web form < 1624617902 995963 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PART :#esolangs < 1624618132 711769 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why not hardcode the width of the table cell, right?... http://vpaste.net/stat < 1624618322 722127 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: hardcoding the width is fine, but you implement it as printf " %4d" to handle overflows gracefully < 1624618570 135999 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624619414 488520 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624619598 119837 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1624620117 602029 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85253&oldid=85203 5* 03AmNow 5* (-4) 10Correction < 1624620385 52055 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for some reason http://vpaste.net/ and https://paste.tomsmeding.com/ have suspiciously similar size limit of 130'000 < 1624620557 1928 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624620740 188104 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624621897 583214 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07YATDEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85254&oldid=85193 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+89) 10/* External Resources */ Cats > 1624622050 989098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ASCII art-14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85255&oldid=74888 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10/* Hello, World! */ Cat > 1624622187 500972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07 14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85256&oldid=82247 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+33) 10/* Interpreters */ Cat > 1624623226 676217 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85257&oldid=85249 5* 03Provitia 5* (+118) 10 > 1624623402 358380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85258&oldid=85257 5* 03Provitia 5* (+175) 10 > 1624623472 557036 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85259&oldid=85258 5* 03Provitia 5* (+48) 10/* Stuff you should know */ > 1624623496 416740 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85260&oldid=85259 5* 03Provitia 5* (+0) 10/* Stuff you should know */ > 1624623511 212167 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85261&oldid=85260 5* 03Provitia 5* (-16) 10/* Package reference */ > 1624623554 364171 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85262&oldid=85261 5* 03Provitia 5* (-88) 10/* Hello world! */ > 1624623566 84491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85263&oldid=85262 5* 03Provitia 5* (-204) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1624623597 71923 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85264&oldid=85263 5* 03Provitia 5* (-155) 10/* Package reference */ < 1624623688 372161 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :added more pastebins, deleted more columns -- it finally made some ranking possible: https://i.imgur.com/QcdYy0Q.png > 1624623841 521442 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85265&oldid=85264 5* 03Provitia 5* (+251) 10/* Package reference */ > 1624623905 243731 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85266&oldid=85265 5* 03Provitia 5* (+59) 10/* Package reference */ > 1624623919 598961 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85267&oldid=85266 5* 03Provitia 5* (-1) 10/* Package reference */ < 1624624739 371825 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :omg indeed, every large channel here has own pastebin in topic < 1624624786 669873 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624624797 653471 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's not surprising. pastebins are easy to set up and if you are large enough, you may be concerned with data privacy < 1624624818 525040 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also with persistence < 1624624965 881931 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :saying about persistence -- about 3/4 of that 2010 list is dead < 1624625009 760367 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the most hated -- pastebin.com -- the oldest that survived < 1624625036 498093 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no info on if the pastes survived though > 1624625127 499943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tower14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85268&oldid=84615 5* 03Sawcce 5* (+7) 10/* Messages */ < 1624627229 4012 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1624627497 165693 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: and with legal issues with hosting illegal third party content and having to remove them on request < 1624627631 856271 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I don't think pastebin.com survived. I think they stopped but the domain name got bought by some other paste site, possibly by pastebin.org < 1624627737 94859 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1624628419 946495 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: tech_exorcist < 1624629334 94866 :lukalot!~lukalot@94.140.11.44 JOIN #esolangs lukalot :realname > 1624629975 960803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85269&oldid=85267 5* 03Provitia 5* (+75) 10/* Stuff you should know */ < 1624631145 290219 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624631169 625854 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624631360 844734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DoFor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85270&oldid=85252 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (-1) 10/* using a librairy: */ < 1624632869 409048 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1624633639 733375 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net NICK :thunderfish < 1624633941 571681 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit < 1624634552 731105 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :after reaching 28 pastebins the sprunge has got a competitor -- paste.the-compiler.org < 1624634564 975632 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the worst one is paste.nginx.org < 1624635635 106124 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624635848 471606 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1624637102 767988 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624637825 890971 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624637943 409859 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, look like that table is good. < 1624637982 483718 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, in comparison tables like that I find it useful to add footnotes; when doing myself, or on Wikipedia, such things are done. < 1624638314 193855 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There may also be data which is non-numeric, including which protocols are supported (HTTP and HTTPS are common ones; I don't know if any support Gemini) < 1624638418 771763 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Although, I don't like the writing protocol for Gemini; it adds the size and other parameters into the URL, although I think it would be better to add the size, MIME type, and token (separated by spaces, and the token is optional) on the next line after the URL. The token might be the hash of the previous version (in order to avoid edit conflicts); what the token does is implementation-dependent.) > 1624638474 245459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85271&oldid=84020 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10/* See Also */ Cats > 1624638800 45755 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BullScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85272&oldid=85233 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+39) 10Also see cat > 1624639346 112282 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitCode/PicCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85273&oldid=85222 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10/* Reading it */ Cats < 1624639865 443874 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624639900 153609 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624640069 645722 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1624640759 944477 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624641152 162281 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1624642608 762008 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624642737 171071 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon JOIN #esolangs chronon :chronon < 1624643113 201805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.1dividedby0.com/ < 1624644311 332773 :lukalot!~lukalot@94.140.11.44 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624644420 424579 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it mentions wheels, good. Someday I’ll be able to decide for myself if they are good or bad < 1624644479 520200 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :without using something like them, we can’t really make arithmetic with ℝP, just Möbius transform it and nothing more < 1624644506 252509 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1 < 1624644621 599675 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but whether wheels are sufficiently canonical a choice of extension to a field or a ring, and do they really generalize nicely — I’m afraid not so many people touched them to be sure < 1624644762 474545 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly JOIN #esolangs FireFly :firefly < 1624644783 281094 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624644907 128217 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :“nullity” definitely seems like a better name for the ultimate wheel element, and the notation Φ… maybe better than ⊥, which I’d prefer to not grow a number of homonyms of. Though I don’t understand why not for instance use ⊙ < 1624645044 706455 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(TeX \odot) < 1624645719 752687 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624646007 498009 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall/Program Archive14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85274&oldid=84140 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+918) 10 < 1624646034 633380 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624646036 511695 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@cpc108961-cmbg20-2-0-cust10.5-4.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624646052 670992 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1624647093 206661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall/Program Archive14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85275&oldid=85274 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+20) 10 < 1624647122 150608 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624647316 979235 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall/Program Archive14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85276&oldid=85275 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+82) 10 < 1624647326 912926 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver > 1624647812 120725 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TinyGuy3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85277&oldid=84420 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (+69) 10 < 1624647991 128424 :lukalot!~lukalot@2603-9000-cc01-9500-068a-ff93-92e3-aaff.inf6.spectrum.com JOIN #esolangs lukalot :realname < 1624648093 633303 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie > 1624648111 691811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TinyGuy3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85278&oldid=85277 5* 03TinyGuy32 5* (+49) 10 < 1624648199 556343 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624648663 110234 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624648679 846851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is ℝP? < 1624649270 366296 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: ℝP^n is the real projective space of n dimensions, so ℝP^1 is a projective line, ℝP^2 is a projective plane, etc < 1624649274 690816 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624649735 592746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03VMGP2 5* 10New user account > 1624649975 453413 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85279&oldid=85242 5* 03VMGP2 5* (+103) 10 < 1624650745 107044 :lukalot!~lukalot@2603-9000-cc01-9500-068a-ff93-92e3-aaff.inf6.spectrum.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624650809 260549 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624651803 115436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07V++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85280 5* 03VMGP2 5* (+709) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=V++ |paradigms=object-oriented, functional |author=[[VMGP Official]] |year=[[:Category:2016|2016]] |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]..." < 1624651904 169797 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1624651966 660297 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624652247 490187 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07V++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85281&oldid=85280 5* 03VMGP2 5* (+318) 10 < 1624652804 408504 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624652891 876827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85282&oldid=85170 5* 03AmNow 5* (+80) 10added fact > 1624652912 920133 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85283&oldid=85282 5* 03AmNow 5* (+4) 10 < 1624653449 323922 :richbridger!~richbridg@213-225-12-210.nat.highway.a1.net JOIN #esolangs richbridger :realname > 1624653673 948781 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85284&oldid=85143 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+5) 10/* Grammar */ < 1624654273 247126 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624655235 258697 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624655295 646659 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624655825 182017 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1624656295 352528 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85285&oldid=85284 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+176) 10 > 1624656365 516587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85286&oldid=85285 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+27) 10/* External resources */ > 1624656375 425007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85287&oldid=85286 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* External resources */ > 1624656390 623938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85288&oldid=85287 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-4) 10/* External resources */ < 1624656394 17278 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him > 1624656400 120848 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85289&oldid=85288 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* External resources */ > 1624656477 428166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85290&oldid=85289 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* External resources */ < 1624656618 433910 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624656642 11415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85291 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+4800) 10Created page with " is an esolang by [[User:VilgotanL|VilgotanL]] created for an esojam in [[User:Truttle1|Truttle1's]] discord server, it uses an accumulator and a cell tape that both hold..." > 1624656697 31802 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85292&oldid=85291 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+4) 10improve wording slightly > 1624656741 749172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85293&oldid=85290 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+30) 10/* External resources */ < 1624656747 504447 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624656754 641026 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624657201 966721 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624657684 945987 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1624657719 87465 :[iovoid]!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1624657719 227248 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1624657746 420405 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1624657817 191398 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? < 1624658207 182172 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :finally got to the end of writing a function to generate sound of the type I want, but now I’ll need to debug it first. Numpy doesn’t want to calculate with one of the arrays being zero-length (by design, sometimes it will end up that way) < 1624658400 150497 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I generate a spectrum from a bunch of gaussians, and when they are too narrow (10 sigmas ~ tens of samples) I use a costly method involving erf differences, and for wider gaussians I just sample the probability density, as it changes slowly in that case and the errors are small < 1624658436 413368 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and when dividing the data into these two parts, one of them might end up empty) < 1624658562 757028 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the erf method is essential as I may need to sample pure sines with this same method, and using PDF would end up in …0, 0, 0… in most cases instead of …0, 1, 0… < 1624658671 636064 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I even confused myself immeasurably before, trying to use binomial distribution instead of erf differences. But it doesn’t allow changing sigma continuously, it only offers sigmas which end up in binomial parameter n = 0, 1, 2, 3, … which might be not enough < 1624658789 715711 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though telling you this, I now note my pure sine case will be generated incorrectly: when the frequency of the sine lies between the frequencies representable in N samples exactly, then the spectrum would end up a sinc, and my method doesn’t give sinc, oohh :( < 1624658864 970934 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :erf differences correspond with integrating gaussian PDF with small rectangular windows, but I probably need sinc windows after all < 1624658917 258555 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that’s too much hassle. Hopefully my quadruple oversampling and spectrums without sigmas that small will mask this inaccuracy < 1624658972 481547 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and large values of N < 1624659096 529126 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which make frequency bins spaced closer and frequency errors smaller < 1624659419 123426 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624659440 534624 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1624659977 785243 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07=,-&~14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85294 5* 03AmNow 5* (+930) 10content > 1624660099 511828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85295&oldid=85236 5* 03AmNow 5* (+12) 10added lang > 1624660146 248216 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85296&oldid=85283 5* 03AmNow 5* (+12) 10added lang < 1624660214 417329 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :mooooony > 1624660547 520288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07=,-&~14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85297&oldid=85294 5* 03AmNow 5* (-8) 10fixed grammar mitsake > 1624662933 230773 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85298&oldid=85146 5* 03Rphii 5* (+1620) 10finally clarified timer rules > 1624663093 211068 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85299&oldid=85298 5* 03Rphii 5* (+96) 10/* Numbers */ add leading zero rule > 1624663210 564430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85300&oldid=85299 5* 03Rphii 5* (-9) 10/* Examples */ make use of leading zero rule > 1624663656 163873 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85301&oldid=85300 5* 03Rphii 5* (+54) 10/* Commands */ fix logical issue with ! command & general clarification > 1624663741 251302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85302&oldid=85301 5* 03Rphii 5* (-7) 10/* Examples */ make better use of the leading zero rule > 1624664127 471170 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85303&oldid=85302 5* 03Rphii 5* (+172) 10/* Examples */ add ascii table program > 1624664196 85042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85304&oldid=83454 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+83) 10Added my reimplementation > 1624664226 758992 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074BOD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85305&oldid=85304 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+6) 10Damn Formatting > 1624664358 41186 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07V++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85306&oldid=85281 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10Fix tag > 1624664384 99615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85307&oldid=85295 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+10) 10/* V */ V++ > 1624665089 191266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85308&oldid=85303 5* 03Rphii 5* (+77) 10fix issue with timers rule > 1624665182 374749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85309&oldid=85308 5* 03Rphii 5* (-12) 10/* Timers */ fix mess-up < 1624665412 629955 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624665463 254561 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sophie14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85310 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+1948) 10Initial > 1624665567 476058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85311&oldid=85309 5* 03Rphii 5* (-3) 10/* ASCII Table */ simplify > 1624665627 460996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85312&oldid=85311 5* 03Rphii 5* (+1) 10/* ASCII Table */ fix mess-up > 1624665667 884738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FFM/FFB14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85313 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+76) 10Created page with "Is this a Finite State Automata? To me it seems like a Brainfuck Equivalent." > 1624665741 22395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85314&oldid=85312 5* 03Rphii 5* (+4) 10/* ASCII Table */ the previous one wouldn't have worked > 1624666236 621395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85315&oldid=85074 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+34) 10Added a Truth Machine I wrote in my own esolang Sophie. < 1624666236 868636 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Corbin > 1624666264 341320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85316&oldid=85314 5* 03Rphii 5* (+2) 10/* ASCII Table */ fix mess-up > 1624667151 268725 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85317&oldid=85316 5* 03Rphii 5* (+76) 10/* Numbers */ add . number > 1624667204 841827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85318&oldid=85317 5* 03Rphii 5* (-3) 10/* ASCII Table */ simplify by using the . number > 1624667228 127042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85319&oldid=85318 5* 03Rphii 5* (-1) 10/* Numbers */ fix mess-up < 1624667674 471187 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624667752 117442 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :Corbin < 1624670265 381175 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Linux has a O_TMPFILE flag now, and then you can use linkat to add a name later if wanted, but it does not have a flag to allow linkat to overwrite an existing file, as far as I know. < 1624670330 666870 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, interesting, that's a good point. < 1624671487 820285 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine such pastebin CLI that would just take the pipe, clipboard or params, ask you parameters and upload it to all the conforming pastebin services in parallel, printing the links to your terminal < 1624671520 282424 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the fastest one will be printed first, and then you can either wait for the rest or stop the CLI < 1624671561 567165 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or have a saved preference to upload only to the first one and copy it to clipboard, etc. < 1624671568 781849 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*copy url < 1624671573 160246 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are there some services that will identify the uploaded data by hash? < 1624671627 722887 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably there are torrent/dc indexers < 1624672186 140217 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Both Git and Fossil will identify data by hash, although Git adds a header so that it is not the same as the direct hash of the file, but Fossil does use the raw file directly so the hash does match that of the direct hash of the file. < 1624672265 46953 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is also my uploader that you dislike for using not enough reliable for 200000 years long usage hashing < 1624672303 371602 :aquijoule_!~richbridg@213-225-5-235.nat.highway.a1.net JOIN #esolangs richbridger :realname < 1624672363 587784 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: doesn't linkat always overwrites existing files, at least non-directory ones? < 1624672435 485284 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: The documentation I saw says it doesn't. But whether it does or not, sometimes you might want it the other way. < 1624672480 196124 :richbridger!~richbridg@213-225-12-210.nat.highway.a1.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624672532 77127 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: oh, you're right, only rename or renameat does that < 1624672578 785269 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's useful actually, it means you can use link then unlink to rename a file without overwriting the destination name; but link to temporary file then rename to overwrite the destination name < 1624672625 278496 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I dind't know this < 1624672649 388623 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll use it the next time I write a script that wants to rename without clobbering < 1624676989 667563 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :weird, sprunge git repo says it's using pygments 1.6 but their 1.6 tag doesn't include ruby lexer while the syntax highlighting works < 1624677115 164247 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though it's pithon and so by default the dependency versions mess < 1624677161 469581 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is even no lock file at all < 1624677285 99031 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people can't reach him https://github.com/rupa/sprunge/issues/48 < 1624678286 768310 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was a talk few months ago about mime types -- looks like pygments supposes there are mime types for languages, like this: https://github.com/pygments/pygments/blob/f0ff1bad7122f2604c54401b7ef1547bbeb4260f/pygments/lexers/ruby.py#L39 < 1624678294 645898 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :don't ask me what is duby < 1624678746 938939 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1624678751 426276 :thunderfish!~mnrmnaugh@pool-96-252-87-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net NICK :mnrmnaugh < 1624678803 229082 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624679133 54221 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Will they have IRC, Free Hero Mesh, X resource manager, ZIL, etc? < 1624679232 467892 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Some formats have commands that can change the interpretation of the code during execution, so that the syntax highlighting won't work very well, such as PostScript and Forth.) < 1624679427 21894 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though github-linguist says: mime type: text/plain, language: Ruby < 1624679512 540898 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the "internet strangers comments copypasta" would need a mime-type < 1624679538 230830 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that one for the clipboard standard format that no one will implement < 1624679765 565835 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another consideration will be in some programming languages, which words are a keyword might depend on the context, e.g. in SQLite, some words are keywords in some contexts and plain words in other contexts. In the case of the words TRUE and FALSE, it depends on the database schema; they are keywords only if there aren't columns by those names. < 1624680122 754600 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :as I understand the github-linguist uses this repo and this file to highlight befunge https://github.com/johanasplund/sublime-befunge/blob/master/Befunge-93.tmLanguage < 1624680189 154951 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :might be a list of supported formats of grammar descriptions that are supported by linguist so I could make one for RASEL < 1624680282 975959 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is also the consideration of character encodings. < 1624680483 110171 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought in befunge whether something is a command or a string depends on the execution? < 1624680540 718548 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624680560 707315 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1624680629 103399 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep < 1624680737 360178 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :even without self-modification you can ram into a string from one of 4 directions in either string mode or not < 1624680768 552556 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you can skip the string-mode instruction (") depending on a condition < 1624680851 452410 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie you could probably add "bef" here or whatever is used commonly, you know better than me https://github.com/github/linguist/blob/16c70aef8cd62ca071231a380c69050f5e83c900/lib/linguist/languages.yml#L492 < 1624682230 918268 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1624684908 107748 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there should a technology allowing to inject a vaccine to a server to make it immune to a virus < 1624684932 991304 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in some more literal way than updating an antivirus scan db > 1624685795 863820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07YATDEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85320&oldid=85254 5* 03HecknTarnation 5* (+210) 10 > 1624685948 920237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07YATDEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85321&oldid=85320 5* 03HecknTarnation 5* (-64) 10/* Multi-File Hello World */ > 1624689177 654273 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07V++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85322&oldid=85306 5* 03VMGP2 5* (+440) 10 < 1624690535 245166 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624691549 636802 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1624692314 806773 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nevermind14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85323&oldid=84239 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+28) 10/* Calculator */ > 1624693221 903442 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85324&oldid=85235 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+43) 10Changed the definition of IF statements < 1624693253 301640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1624693291 329837 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85325&oldid=85324 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+7) 10Changed examples to actually get executed right by the interpreter > 1624693401 187647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85326&oldid=85325 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-6) 10 > 1624693462 772894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85327&oldid=85326 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-2) 10Removed invalid instruction from truth machine example < 1624693487 36787 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624693755 637084 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624694067 503687 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:VilgotanL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85328&oldid=84443 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+100) 10update languages list and add collaborations list < 1624694543 20539 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1624694644 62700 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624694729 13733 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1624694986 633853 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624695500 13266 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624695528 3696 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him > 1624695879 687295 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:@14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85329 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+303) 10polish notation < 1624696147 253990 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624696200 911313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:VilgotanL/Sandbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85330 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+80) 10created the page > 1624696290 345893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:VilgotanL/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85331&oldid=85330 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+184) 10test > 1624696303 260763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:VilgotanL/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85332&oldid=85331 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+2) 10test > 1624696368 239667 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:VilgotanL/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85333&oldid=85332 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+46) 10test > 1624696421 357868 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:VilgotanL/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85334&oldid=85333 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+47) 10test < 1624696423 642544 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 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ZZZzzz… < 1624722442 94909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1624722879 649959 :lukalot!~lukalot@23.82.138.6 JOIN #esolangs lukalot :realname < 1624723171 637827 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624723294 928570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Matthilde14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85357&oldid=84573 5* 03Matthilde 5* (+186) 10 < 1624723475 626716 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624723561 575526 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624723585 523413 :perlbot_!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1624723602 211815 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1624723687 469503 :perlbot_!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot NICK :perlbot < 1624723695 790062 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Is applying a patch to fix a vulnerability similar enough? < 1624723729 957888 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Arguably, updating an antivirus DB is a much closer metaphor to teaching the immune system to recognize a threat. < 1624723758 782468 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :binary patch maybe < 1624723765 22054 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1624723772 744268 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :via unnatural interface like a needle through a skin < 1624723906 366052 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sknebel: The name alone is hilarious. < 1624723935 401381 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :something like crack but a different purpose < 1624723968 262188 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there actually were antivirus viruses in the past < 1624724471 219071 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624724533 164164 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624725887 165588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rockstario945 5* 10New user account < 1624725949 121626 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624726016 553752 :rdr!~a@90.167.242.222 JOIN #esolangs * :a < 1624726399 571317 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1624726447 641897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sophie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85358&oldid=85342 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+102) 10Comments < 1624726479 444808 :rdr!~a@90.167.242.222 PART #esolangs :WeeChat 2.3 < 1624726527 799648 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624726684 911036 :lukalot!~lukalot@23.82.138.6 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624727494 637592 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624727686 171975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FFM/FFB14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85359&oldid=85313 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+405) 10reply to oshaboy > 1624728253 79274 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitCycle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85360&oldid=75743 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+144) 10Added links to online intepreters > 1624728383 857345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ouroboros14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85361&oldid=50902 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+13) 10Updated link to online interpreter < 1624730052 701387 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624731367 363174 :rdr!~a@user/rdr JOIN #esolangs rdr :a < 1624732060 663398 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit > 1624732198 271638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WinReg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85362&oldid=85348 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+42) 10Minor changes to command table > 1624732220 545666 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WinReg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85363&oldid=85362 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+0) 10Fixed a typo < 1624732503 114563 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1624732696 424294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WinReg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85364&oldid=85363 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+6) 10Fixed one more specification of a command > 1624733450 682485 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85365 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+5) 10Created page with "Hi :D" < 1624733534 260174 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1624733764 715020 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85366&oldid=85293 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+22) 10 > 1624733829 455726 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85367&oldid=85366 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+24) 10/* External resources */ > 1624733903 707061 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85368&oldid=85367 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+9) 10/* External resources */ > 1624734008 209822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Imperative paradigm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85369 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+118) 10Created page with "A imperative language consists of operations that change the state of the program to achieve a goal or complete a task" > 1624734162 540109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85370&oldid=85368 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+5) 10 < 1624734337 486499 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :A book of philosophy of mathematics says, why should mathematics, but not astrology and theology, be included in the list of sciences? My own opinion is: It doesn't. None of the three are sciences; they are four different things. > 1624734358 219541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85371&oldid=85365 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+246) 10 > 1624734755 279791 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85372&oldid=85353 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+45) 10 > 1624734820 78663 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85373&oldid=85098 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+134) 10/* Language Overview */ < 1624734847 629110 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although they're all different, math is a very useful tool for science, so it has a special place in that context, unlike the other two. < 1624734888 841970 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Due to the closeness of their relationship, many people like to add math to the list of sciences. > 1624735514 867835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:=,-&~14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85374 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+231) 10Created page with "== Rotation == Given the stack 1 2 3 (where 3 is the top element), would rotate up result in the stack 3 1 2? - ~~~~" < 1624735846 163242 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… < 1624737753 407262 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it is a useful tool for science, and that is the argument given in the book, but that doesn't make it science, as far as I am concerned. < 1624737912 789336 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting. i only know the debate of whether mathematics should be considered natural science or humanities, but i wouldn't consider it not science. that may be a language thing < 1624738276 968304 :rdr!~a@user/rdr QUIT :Quit: rdr > 1624738929 896529 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07814]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85379 5* 03AmNow 5* (+887) 10content > 1624738979 419760 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85380&oldid=85347 5* 03AmNow 5* (+7) 10added lang < 1624739015 439953 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is the idea that it is more pure than science, you don't do experiements, you prove stuff instead of creating falsifiable theories < 1624739015 524955 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There can also be consideration of Platonism, etc > 1624739025 257038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85381&oldid=85307 5* 03AmNow 5* (+8) 10added lang < 1624739035 228809 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: Yes, that is what I think it is too < 1624739045 520207 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-19-76-68-67-150.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! > 1624739114 542711 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85382&oldid=85379 5* 03AmNow 5* (+24) 10 < 1624739269 99161 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1624739981 830904 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: What would be the argument for grouping it with the humanities? < 1624739987 53087 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That it's a branch of philosophy? < 1624740042 554667 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because it's more argumentative instead of experimental > 1624740059 753490 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85383&oldid=85380 5* 03AmNow 5* (+13) 10 < 1624740065 103213 :lukalot!~lukalot@2603:9000:cc01:9500:68a:ff93:92e3:aaff JOIN #esolangs lukalot :realname > 1624740578 225345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dlosc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85384&oldid=53039 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+290) 10Added some more stuff I did < 1624740597 953309 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624740726 775296 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624740803 955530 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1624740813 11950 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him > 1624741409 249406 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WinReg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85385&oldid=85364 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+92) 10Added interpreter and fixed invalid commands in examples > 1624741507 88388 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WinReg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85386&oldid=85385 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-26) 10Removed Unimplemented Category < 1624742442 713909 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: tech_exorcist < 1624743004 784075 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I generally think of math as a category separate from both the humanities and sciences, but it seems reasonable to group it with the former. < 1624743046 877769 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624747692 714039 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1 < 1624748097 225304 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1624749681 321913 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624749705 385570 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624750744 138531 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1624756270 984106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85387 5* 03AmNow 5* (+2429) 10content > 1624756312 784718 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85388&oldid=85387 5* 03AmNow 5* (+3) 10no ambiguity > 1624756435 966148 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85389&oldid=85383 5* 03AmNow 5* (+13) 10added lang > 1624756474 128917 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85390&oldid=85381 5* 03AmNow 5* (+13) 10added lang > 1624756506 902398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85391&oldid=85388 5* 03AmNow 5* (-1) 10/* Factorial */ fixed > 1624756868 505409 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85392&oldid=85389 5* 03AmNow 5* (+24) 10 > 1624757533 659362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85393&oldid=85392 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10 < 1624759243 299223 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :having done math and humanities, it feels more akin to the humanities than to science < 1624759335 314212 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :math (obviously) tends to be very rigorous in how it does things, _but_ in its practice it doesn't tend to resemble science at all. math very often does things for its own sake, and sometimes then discovers applications for that, and the way of finding truth in math is by doing argument and exploring the ideas... < 1624759402 338681 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is all well and good; i have no objections, and consider math's typical approaches quite valid and rigorous ways of doing things < 1624759438 937642 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :_but_, science is about methodological empiricism < 1624759524 453554 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :within science, that which is true or false is discerned by observation of the outside world, and devising tests to better be able to observe the outside world -- those ideas which are shown to be consistent with what you see are (assumed) correct, and those ideas which are not are known to be wrong < 1624763694 330793 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. The main difference between formality in maths and formality in writing is that maths is "formally formal" these days; the way in which maths cares about formality can be used to derive and extrapolate the entirety of the rest of maths. < 1624764210 914454 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc > 1624764319 202143 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Easyaspi314 5* 10New user account < 1624765231 223115 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624765251 201578 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1624765300 321482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85394&oldid=85279 5* 03Easyaspi314 5* (+190) 10/* Introductions */ easyaspi314 < 1624765304 866243 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1624766560 87884 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624766586 640256 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624767855 226952 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :math is an observational notation for physics < 1624767963 544496 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :making notes sometimes help to discover laws of nature that we didn't yet use < 1624768222 539865 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :teology researches specific fields of psychology that is based on evolution and biology < 1624768277 462019 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is based on chemistry that is based on physics again < 1624769424 843383 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, but that does not make either math or theology to be science (although it describes their relation to science, at least according to one opinion) < 1624769889 549510 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Those are valid points, though. I am guessing that "teology" is supposed to be "theology" < 1624770088 449432 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624770135 486012 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another thing is xkcd 435, although it doesn't mention theology. < 1624770232 744433 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Math is not only an observational notation for physics, I think. But, that is one way that mathematics can be used. I am platonist though; the mathematics itself is still what it is even independently of the study and of the applications, although you can still have those things too < 1624770781 136442 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I always confuse t and th because in russian it's always just t < 1624770799 316599 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :we always don't join letters to build sounds < 1624770815 846480 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*almost < 1624770824 483038 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK < 1624770854 439091 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or was it th because of being based on ancient language? idk < 1624770934 969596 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does it mean you are platonist? < 1624770959 189385 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :google takes the "Platonism is the view that there exist such things as abstract objects — where an abstract object is an object that does not exist in space or time and which is therefore entirely non-physical and non-mental. Platonism in this sense is a contemporary view" out of the whole huge wikipedia article < 1624770978 555592 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It means that some mathematical objects ("abstracta") aren't physical objects in reality. < 1624771096 770684 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :would you be able to research math without having physics? like would you some day invent some modern fresh discovered laws if you was living all your life with closed eyes drifting in vacuum? < 1624771131 548274 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: What's the alternative? I'd be hard-pressed to find a real number line out in the wild. < 1624771136 552609 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. Many parts of number theory are extremely unphysical. < 1624771219 853840 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :^[: Some folks bring with them a metaphysics or ontology which asserts that all described things either exist or don't exist. It can be a journey just to go beyond that. < 1624771395 405654 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this is the part where I ask for a definition of "to exist", but I'm not falling for that one again! < 1624771535 903015 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tao has a wonderful post about this: https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/the-no-self-defeating-object-argument/ < 1624771662 56273 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then how is mathematically moving abstract things around different from "creating falsifiable theories"? < 1624771676 729202 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw math is full of theories too that only later either get proved or disproved < 1624771717 488967 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :literally half of those lists of "unsolved problems" < 1624771725 814201 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :platonism draws a lot from the thought that there are 'essences' out there, idealized notions which underpin real objects. it's very old but people used to think in those terms < 1624771786 33443 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :these days, one favored take is that math mostly deals with 'consistency', although you run into Godel < 1624772079 284116 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Mathematical English is very specific here. A "theorem" is a proof statement. A "theory" is a field of research into some sort of objects. < 1624772159 240422 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :often mathematicians will still say they are 'platonists' which means they think reality is mathematical at heart < 1624772280 337927 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :My personal Platonism is based on observations like the fact that the empty set isn't at any one particular location in spacetime, so it's not located in physical reality. Indeed it's only located within set theories. < 1624772601 829094 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not saying about "set theory" or "propability theory" etc., I mean when they say "there is no solution to this equation, I have no proof but we'll jerk on it for the next 500 years" < 1624772703 643334 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :similar to how we didn't know or didn't believe Einstein but still were able to fly at least above the clouds < 1624772726 37812 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :many people still don't believe him < 1624772765 307807 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624772863 703440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably there is a term for people who don't bother learning and prefer to build the imaginary world around based on likes and dislikes and would respond aggressively if you ask them to read a page on wikipedia and stuff < 1624772875 702780 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm bad in terms > 1624772990 321253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SLOW ACV MAMMALIAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85395&oldid=31933 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+1291) 10 < 1624773490 719681 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's actually worse than that. Modern cryptography relies on the idea of one-way functions. We don't know whether one-way functions exist. < 1624774511 521400 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624774924 447159 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Surely one way functions exist. A hash function has no inverse for example. < 1624774970 846369 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no known inverse < 1624775056 147410 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :We don't even know about P vs. NP. I personally assume that we're in a world where NP-complete problems can take exponential time (99% confidence), but I could be completely wrong. > 1624775141 123485 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:AmNow14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85396 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+285) 10Created page with "=== [[=,-&~]] Question === I'm looking to create an interpreter for [[=,-&~]], but I had a couple questions that I posted on the talk page. Whenever you're free, clarification..." < 1624775392 321436 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624775467 853995 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hash functions cannot be inverted because there is information loss in the forward process. < 1624775585 348633 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assume the NSA/GCHQ etc have massive databases of precomputed hashes so that they can reverse them by lookup, and same for large nearly primes, etc. < 1624775588 689192 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :map into a set < 1624775782 91670 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or fix the input size, as is common in many practical attacks. Indeed, many hashes are broken by use cases like passwords, where the input is shorter than the internal state of the hash. I think sponge constructions can help with this a bit. < 1624775830 104005 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think *my* passswords have less entropy than the hashes. haha < 1624775841 20131 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :My passwords certainly do. < 1624775882 22423 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :People talking about inverting a hash function don't mean finding the specific original input, just any input that hashes to a particular value. < 1624775931 763257 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I generate my passwords using hash functions, so I think by definition I'm ok. It's only the site that won't allow long keys that cause a sel-inflicted wound. < 1624775935 985041 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. Bitcoin would be completely broken by this, even if SHA-256 isn't fully invertible. < 1624775997 470931 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, if you only need to find a hash collision it is easier than finding the original input. < 1624776036 789591 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, there is a #crypto channel I think. ha! < 1624776623 177262 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes we covered this exact question a couple days ago < 1624776634 231625 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) > 1624777107 498200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:CodyNinja114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85397 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+1) 10h < 1624778785 489665 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624780006 637710 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624780097 942682 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's like 3 months passed since I made my personal hash-based storage and no one has since then broke it -- what was the point to make a few pages of flame? < 1624780116 181768 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hash-based storage is a really nice idea < 1624780234 839 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, 1 month, I've lost a feel of time < 1624780732 625520 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624781169 638465 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624781352 633915 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624783093 146595 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1624783100 672974 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN #esolangs * :Shachaf Ben-Kiki < 1624783122 138544 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com CHGHOST ~shachaf :user/shachaf < 1624783149 587080 :shachaf_!~shachaf@user/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1624783172 257516 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :What was the hash-based storage thing? < 1624784528 877699 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624784529 148889 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624784531 418584 :pikhq_!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1624784540 439474 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon JOIN #esolangs nakilon :Victor Maslov < 1624784673 849616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1624784971 352569 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN #esolangs int-e :Bertram > 1624785355 412794 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Slow Language14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85398 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+2412) 10Created page with "A Slow Language is a 2D [[Befunge]]-like esoteric programming language made for a [https://www.youtube.com/user/luigiman2700 Truttle1] Esolang Jam. You control a turtle on an..." < 1624785427 941741 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe its different by in my case < 1624785446 364617 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have a store/ directory where files are stored, the filename is the hash of the data in it < 1624785457 954088 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :then you have a directory with symlinks into the store > 1624785459 992889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85399&oldid=85390 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+22) 10/* A */ < 1624785463 677819 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so files can have normal paths and names < 1624785472 936934 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but everything is deduplicated automatically < 1624785567 230668 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, I see. I was thinking of doing exactly that for a backup solution. Never got round to setting it up though. < 1624785733 626602 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624785901 854370 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i suppose deduplication could be implemented at the filesystem level < 1624786262 518668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1624788295 81789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85400&oldid=85209 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+22) 10 > 1624788801 344804 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:=,-&~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85401&oldid=85374 5* 03AmNow 5* (+149) 10 < 1624789877 623884 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624789932 259229 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85402&oldid=85269 5* 03Provitia 5* (-385) 10/* Package reference */ > 1624790110 821988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85403&oldid=85402 5* 03Provitia 5* (-179) 10/* Truth machine */ < 1624790707 36879 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624791053 647119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85404&oldid=85253 5* 03AmNow 5* (+18) 10clarification > 1624791108 461408 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07=,-&~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85405&oldid=85297 5* 03AmNow 5* (+31) 10Clarification < 1624791119 258939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1624791192 487133 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:=,-&~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85406&oldid=85401 5* 03AmNow 5* (+119) 10 < 1624791202 636459 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624791330 97704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85407&oldid=85391 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10 < 1624792047 632429 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624792209 628036 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624792496 685949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION manglol a magyar nyelvet egy kicsit b_jonasnak < 1624792510 41543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? manglophobia < 1624792513 238400 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Manglophobia is the fear of horribly mangled "Greek" neologisms. < 1624792521 545095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :now with more hungarian < 1624792803 773274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think i got the words right but not sure of the order < 1624792835 25302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION vaguely remembers something about topic/focus order < 1624793049 152968 :Koen__!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624793055 428487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also meg < 1624793057 789540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION megmanglol b_jonasnak egy kicsit a magyar nyelvet < 1624793217 569591 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1624793788 854803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:That dude14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85408&oldid=38259 5* 03That dude 5* (-273) 10 < 1624794105 995505 :Koen__!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624794120 235526 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624796063 203080 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bedroom14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85409 5* 03AmNow 5* (+1103) 10content > 1624796092 498540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85410&oldid=85393 5* 03AmNow 5* (+13) 10added lang > 1624796134 349129 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85411&oldid=85399 5* 03AmNow 5* (+14) 10added lang > 1624796366 82607 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85412&oldid=85410 5* 03AmNow 5* (+25) 10 > 1624797763 85764 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Slow Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85413&oldid=85398 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+18) 10 < 1624798167 513958 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PART :#esolangs < 1624798340 624616 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624800039 645010 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624800186 637777 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624801373 870479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait a moment. < 1624801380 384993 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION waits < 1624801437 752684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*megmanglolja < 1624801471 476545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :forgot the object agreement. < 1624801570 401470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the plus side, it now looks like an obscure swedish health product < 1624801801 628625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624802339 624312 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624802896 624607 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1 < 1624803079 361375 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1624805044 920224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: This flaky network is getting to me < 1624806390 956018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas > 1624806900 648363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85414&oldid=85377 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+339) 10 > 1624806937 793432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85415&oldid=85414 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-13) 10/* Logic Gates */ > 1624807237 315317 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85416&oldid=85415 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+58) 10/* Logic Gates */ < 1624812131 107834 :lukalot!~lukalot@2603:9000:cc01:9500:68a:ff93:92e3:aaff QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624812838 169159 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] VilgotanL < 1624812862 21183 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how 2 use irc < 1624812890 479626 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you are doing it right now > 1624812990 996857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85417&oldid=85403 5* 03Provitia 5* (+176) 10/* Package reference */ < 1624813069 458205 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is +esolangs a bot? < 1624813106 213712 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1624813111 401084 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :noice < 1624813116 932954 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes; one that doesn't do much, just the wiki recent changes and logging. < 1624813128 929386 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oke < 1624813151 451844 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a such thing as LLVM with macros? > 1624813183 554813 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85418&oldid=85417 5* 03Provitia 5* (+31) 10/* Package reference */ < 1624813486 212042 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624813707 467358 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Would you consider any language with an LLVM frontend as being macros for the IR? < 1624813759 265590 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it a good web design if 18 pieces of text on your page are written in 16 different styles? < 1624813816 866879 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :3 out of 3 voters voted that I'm wrong saying that it is bad < 1624813819 282062 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :..D < 1624813843 827994 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If it's good enough for Time Cube, it should be good enough for you. < 1624813859 854058 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :subj: https://i.imgur.com/71PjkfA.png < 1624814238 966332 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the problem with that? < 1624814934 847105 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that 18 pieces of text have 16 different styles? < 1624814945 676251 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems nothing bad, same as with these < 1624814966 351687 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/c45hhKi.png < 1624814971 984804 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/bLDkwxh.png < 1624814990 734131 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :very well done < 1624815158 976957 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It might be a question of whether the styles are being put to good use. > 1624815316 647973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85419&oldid=85416 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+37) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ > 1624815332 516263 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85420&oldid=85419 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-30) 10/* External resources */ > 1624815343 66280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85421&oldid=85420 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-29) 10/* External resources */ < 1624815344 432604 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I think that it is probably bad (although I cannot be sure that there are not circumstances where such a thing is helpful). < 1624815375 666053 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think usually is best to avoid the styles entirely < 1624815467 294630 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :^[: No I don't consider any language with an LLVM frontend as being macros for the IR; I mean to be more closely with LLVM directly, but with macros (which can be used for target-dependent stuff as well as for whatever other purposes you can use macros for) < 1624816131 213613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1624816300 569449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Slow Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85422&oldid=85413 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+113) 10/* Interpreter */ Cats < 1624816345 270518 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624817653 57016 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Slow Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85423&oldid=85422 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+84) 10Added another hello world example > 1624817692 453231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Slow Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85424&oldid=85423 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+0) 10Fixed cat program < 1624819097 282746 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1624819113 456515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85425&oldid=85407 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10/* Quine */ Cat < 1624819118 213952 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624819433 544959 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624820024 310610 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624820190 919867 :lukalot!~lukalot@2603:9000:cc01:9500:68a:ff93:92e3:aaff JOIN #esolangs lukalot :realname > 1624820218 580537 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bedroom14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85426&oldid=85409 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+73) 10/* Truth Machine */ Cats < 1624820537 592054 :rodr!~a@user/rdr JOIN #esolangs rdr :a < 1624821539 446771 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1624821806 631481 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1624822341 214179 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624824416 199978 :rodr!~a@user/rdr QUIT :Quit: rodr > 1624824551 932648 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85427&oldid=85421 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+161) 10/* Pointer operations */ > 1624824568 565767 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85428&oldid=85427 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* Pointer operations */ > 1624824607 520601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85429&oldid=85428 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+12) 10/* Grammar */ > 1624824655 545359 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85430&oldid=85429 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-137) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ < 1624824715 733696 :pikhq_!sid394595@user/pikhq NICK :pikhq > 1624824717 726256 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85431&oldid=85430 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+56) 10/* External resources */ > 1624824727 996707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85432&oldid=85431 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10/* External resources */ > 1624824919 6007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85433&oldid=85432 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+27) 10/* Tobysil */ > 1624824941 179435 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85434&oldid=85433 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Restrictions */ > 1624826359 18772 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85435&oldid=85434 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+169) 10/* Logic Gates */ > 1624826424 208945 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85436&oldid=85435 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+45) 10/* Memory Muncher */ < 1624826525 136414 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624826740 422549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85437&oldid=85436 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+99) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ > 1624826767 66288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85438&oldid=85437 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+8) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ < 1624828336 315892 :lukalot_!~lukalot@23.82.138.98 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1624828480 892514 :lukalot!~lukalot@2603:9000:cc01:9500:68a:ff93:92e3:aaff QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1624829450 939849 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1624829466 82585 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ay finally < 1624829805 554201 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624829829 522315 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624829903 577800 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why isn't my messages relaying to the discord < 1624830026 263661 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can anybody even hear me lmao < 1624830029 121801 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is IRC, not Discord. < 1624830034 860003 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes i know that < 1624830046 305984 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but my messages arent relaying via AutoBotRobot < 1624830132 911838 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :testbot10, inventory < 1624830143 129000 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think im in the wrong channel lmao < 1624830188 674099 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sounds likely. As far as I know, we've never had any Discord bridges. < 1624830226 431801 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh, I guess i am < 1624830253 223273 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know on the Esolangs Discord they have a relay to IRC of *some* sort < 1624830282 48280 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this was the channel that it said to go to via the Community Portal < 1624830443 18982 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We're not affiliated (and probably don't really even have any overlap?) with either of the two discords, and that was the case for freenode #esoteric (which this channel is a continuation of) as well, so if they have an IRC relay, it's to somewhere else. < 1624830637 511615 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah thank you < 1624830650 524719 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It was irc.osmarks.net < 1624830759 289528 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624830887 493706 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624830959 797917 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1624831455 454783 :aquijoule_!~richbridg@213-225-5-235.nat.highway.a1.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624832031 710171 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624832663 967029 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: makes sense, though it's not such a crazy idea to think that we might have a Discord overlay < 1624832693 163091 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just that if we tried that, we'd have to set a new one up every two years as people migrate to a different app < 1624832721 359490 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, we'd have to set up a facebook bridge, an instagram bridge, a tiktok bridge, whatever the latest trend is < 1624832770 649762 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least with this Matrix thing, there's a network-wide bridge in place. < 1624832774 24636 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :2 years doesnt seem to be all that bad, especially with such a large community like this < 1624832908 344776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :NotApplicable: yeah, but who is there in this community who follows the latest trendy apps and sets up bridges for that? I'm not saying that we're getting old, because fresh young people arrive all the time, but still < 1624833135 681610 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1624833162 678984 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1624833162 694793 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1624833376 309962 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1624833438 897612 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? < 1624833597 983003 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :mooooony < 1624834276 623164 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624834782 252469 :richbridger!~richbridg@213-225-5-235.nat.highway.a1.net JOIN #esolangs richbridger :realname < 1624835234 5741 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624835917 678313 :richbridger!~richbridg@213-225-5-235.nat.highway.a1.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624836191 13632 :richbridger!~richbridg@213-225-5-235.nat.highway.a1.net JOIN #esolangs richbridger :realname > 1624838170 163572 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SLOW ACV MAMMALIAN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85439&oldid=85395 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 > 1624838213 728177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Circlefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85440&oldid=85344 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 > 1624839744 908040 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85441&oldid=85237 5* 03AmNow 5* (+20) 102+2=4 > 1624840360 215216 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85442&oldid=85441 5* 03AmNow 5* (+25) 104-1 != X > 1624840417 907376 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85443&oldid=85442 5* 03AmNow 5* (+1) 10fix > 1624842375 130704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Godencode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85444&oldid=84807 5* 03Plasmath 5* (+1583) 10Added subtraction and made a minor tweak. < 1624845636 256693 :lukalot_!~lukalot@23.82.138.98 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624846005 211961 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :[https://kiwiirc.com] salpynx < 1624846033 3561 :jryans!~jryansmat@2001:470:69fc:105::1d QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1624846053 184687 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs jryans :@jryans:matrix.org < 1624846477 439765 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony < 1624847943 988369 :aquijoule_!~richbridg@213-225-32-103.nat.highway.a1.net JOIN #esolangs richbridger :realname < 1624848108 965989 :richbridger!~richbridg@213-225-5-235.nat.highway.a1.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1624851000 482340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85445&oldid=85438 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+77) 10/* Pointer operations */ < 1624851647 216989 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624851729 201496 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624851729 250105 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1624852070 442068 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Eval14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85446 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+380) 10Created page with "== Instruction Question == In the description for the ' command, what's meant by pushing double quotes at the start and end? Are double quotes pushed at the begin..." < 1624859197 454690 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :discord is for pasting gifs while voicechatting < 1624859309 818949 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when the League of Legends developers realised they aren't proficient enough to add voicechat in the game they outsourced the development of a dedicated website for that that is basically a copy of skype but worse, and they had no designers -- that's how Discord appeared < 1624859870 953100 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas hey, you know perl, right? do you have any idea how this code maps "rb" to "ruby" or vice versa? because this is probably the pygments code https://github.com/formorer/paste.pl/blob/32e7f1e4a92a6a71fe16e2dea9b30aefb72ae010/lib/Paste/Template/Plugin/Highlight.pm#L328 and it says "ruby" while their web page sends "rb" < 1624860155 770393 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, maybe it's somewhere inside pygments since this looks like just a separate task to get the "aliases" https://github.com/formorer/paste.pl/blob/32e7f1e4a92a6a71fe16e2dea9b30aefb72ae010/get_lexer.py < 1624860193 713161 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :nvm then I guess < 1624860602 898098 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn, my pygments file and their https://github.com/formorer/paste.pl/blob/32e7f1e4a92a6a71fe16e2dea9b30aefb72ae010/langs#L62 are pretty different https://dpaste.org/T9Zj/slim < 1624861110 992703 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :ON TI-92, if you set errornum to a number whose integer part is 4 (regardless of the fractional part), and then write something with : and then PassErr then a strange thing will be caused by that < 1624863202 259003 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1624863213 630911 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BIO14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85447&oldid=66718 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+25) 10 < 1624864266 357229 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624864552 151630 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624866063 538255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624867165 297612 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624867579 638065 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624867585 741319 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed > 1624867635 437917 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BIO14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85448&oldid=85447 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+94) 10/* Implementation */ < 1624867718 634357 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624868655 655144 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624870844 277416 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624871069 219597 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :mooooony < 1624872281 985244 :sech1ptheythem[m!~sech1ppri@2001:470:69fc:105::2b26 PART :#esolangs < 1624872771 930718 :LordRatte!~LordRatte@41.157.1.204 JOIN #esolangs LordRatte :LordRatte < 1624873722 506053 :LordRatte!~LordRatte@41.157.1.204 QUIT :Quit: Quit > 1624873845 102651 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85449&oldid=85356 5* 03Rphii 5* (-53) 10/* Commands */ remove nonsense > 1624874099 637664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85450&oldid=85449 5* 03Rphii 5* (+38) 10/* Commands */ add good nonsense < 1624874135 626512 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624874708 628000 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624874970 905308 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1624875461 169124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85451&oldid=85450 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Calculator */ fix mistake > 1624875757 777843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85452&oldid=85382 5* 03AmNow 5* (+1) 10/* Truth Machine */ fixed < 1624875957 936884 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624875959 297471 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie > 1624876911 890335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07%14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85453 5* 03AmNow 5* (+736) 10contents > 1624876953 446039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85454&oldid=85412 5* 03AmNow 5* (+12) 10added lang > 1624876993 185322 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85455&oldid=85411 5* 03AmNow 5* (+10) 10added lang < 1624877783 513182 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so 21 pastebins in that table I made have official API, I made my CLI use 3 of them; gonna try to record a gif with https://github.com/faressoft/terminalizer < 1624877805 33155 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624877913 453488 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85456&oldid=85425 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10fixed commands < 1624878816 623983 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624879802 747332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85457&oldid=85443 5* 03AmNow 5* (+81) 10m < 1624879878 269231 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624881482 873878 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AMiaBF!?14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85458 5* 03AmNow 5* (+842) 10content > 1624881545 985072 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85459&oldid=85454 5* 03AmNow 5* (+20) 10added lang > 1624881741 370701 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85460&oldid=85455 5* 03AmNow 5* (+18) 10added lang > 1624882158 597748 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85461&oldid=85418 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+86) 10 < 1624882678 636860 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624882828 594741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85462&oldid=85461 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (-86) 10Undo revision 85461 by [[Special:Contributions/Oshaboy|Oshaboy]] ([[User talk:Oshaboy|talk]]) > 1624883270 881883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07H14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85463 5* 03Andrew3335 5* (+2062) 10Created page with "''Note that '''h''' is typically lowercased.'' '''h''' is a programming language created by Nerdaxe#9443 which is extremely limited. Every program is an arbitrarily long but..." < 1624884015 232182 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1624884662 689438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07H14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85464&oldid=85463 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (-100) 10fix and change implementation to

> 1624884856 387564 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07H14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85465&oldid=85464 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+108) 10add categories
> 1624885510 461539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85466&oldid=85445 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Pointer operations */ Fix
> 1624885876 434961 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AMiaBF!?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85467&oldid=85458 5* 03AmNow 5* (+4) 10linked to page
> 1624885892 101076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eval14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85468&oldid=75805 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10/* Commands */ Clarify
> 1624885904 906756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Eval14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85469&oldid=85446 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+220) 10Reply
> 1624885910 298592 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AMiaBF!?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85470&oldid=85467 5* 03AmNow 5* (-2) 10fixed link
> 1624886223 849603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07%14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85471&oldid=85453 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+153) 10Cats, link
> 1624886243 555962 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07%14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85472&oldid=85471 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* Commands */ Was missing word
> 1624886306 904251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AMiaBF!?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85473&oldid=85470 5* 03AmNow 5* (-2) 10
> 1624886354 479602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AMiaBF!?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85474&oldid=85473 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+92) 10Cat
< 1624886634 401312 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1238
< 1624886637 15426 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1238.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
< 1624887667 217551 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
> 1624888200 762411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07H14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85475&oldid=85465 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+304) 10add my infinite loop
< 1624888345 171134 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] VilgotanL
< 1624888391 37221 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a question why do people use a 
with some css instead of just a
 on esolangs?
< 1624888524 846529 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In some cases, it's probably because they want to include some markup in the text, not just make it uniformly monospace.
< 1624888552 785825 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And in others, maybe just people copying what they've seen other pages do, even where it doesn't make a difference.
< 1624888574 811238 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Any examples?)
< 1624888588 757233 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in some cases i found a page where the code broke cause it had intentation
< 1624888595 699086 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and two nested divs appeared
> 1624888699 227875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07H14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85476&oldid=85475 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (-200) 10change rest of code 
s to

< 1624888921 309190 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
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< 1624890563 881050 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/2870363/123653688-11005480-d836-11eb-8e07-3a9562c8596f.gif
< 1624890643 3255 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that it's hard to follow but there is no easy way to edit recording frame lengths because I had to use ffmpeg wrapper instead of something that would capture the terminal
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< 1624890676 959481 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because both popular utilities for that are in pithon and so unsurprisingly both of them don't install neither in OS natively nor in docker neither in alpine nor ubuntu
< 1624892214 638998 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-22-76-65-6-39.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver
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< 1624898467 636906 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif
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< 1624901217 936932 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv
< 1624901500 986425 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :cd
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> 1624902633 455029 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07H14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85477&oldid=85476 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+46) 10add quine
< 1624903621 867909 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi hi how are you I got a mild sunburn despite preferring to be under shade. Is there an esolang based on sunburns?
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< 1624904427 320929 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in
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< 1624904942 803273 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know. If you know how to make up such a thing, then you can try, maybe.
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> 1624905868 818436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JBFM7L14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85478 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+2187) 10Created page with "JBFM7L - "Jitejix, But For Masohists 7th Level"  Almost the same concept of Jitejix, but some thing got even weirder and there are less operations.  Now almost everything is b..."
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> 1624907226 605197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85481&oldid=85460 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+13) 10/* J */
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> 1624909875 685988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Spargle 5*  10New user account
> 1624910485 427718 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85483&oldid=85394 5* 03Spargle 5* (+195) 10/* Introductions */
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> 1624910742 548302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Spargle14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85484 5* 03Spargle 5* (+11) 10yep thats all
> 1624911489 26276 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S3C (sssc)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85485 5* 03Spargle 5* (+389) 10Created page with "== The world's stupidest language. ==  === Syntax: === * : prints ''A'' forever
* : starts up a local testing environment on ''port 80''
* : download the late..." > 1624911702 481973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85486&oldid=85481 5* 03Spargle 5* (+16) 10/* S */ > 1624911758 870010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85487&oldid=85486 5* 03Spargle 5* (+17) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ < 1624911761 179817 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1624912259 879076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S3C (sssc)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85488&oldid=85485 5* 03Spargle 5* (-8) 10/* Links: */ > 1624912273 374135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S3C (sssc)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85489&oldid=85488 5* 03Spargle 5* (+53) 10/* The world's stupidest language. */ > 1624912578 342916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JBFM7L14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85490&oldid=85482 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+323) 10 > 1624912629 173070 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JBFM7L14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85491&oldid=85490 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+3) 10/* Hello World */ > 1624912706 275441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JBFM7L14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85492&oldid=85491 5* 03Kemuri 5* (-357) 10/* Hello World */ > 1624913027 463437 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JBFM7L14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85493&oldid=85492 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+124) 10/* Hello World */ > 1624913063 221101 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JBFM7L14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85494&oldid=85493 5* 03Kemuri 5* (-12) 10/* Hello World */ > 1624913836 140821 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S3C (sssc)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85495&oldid=85489 5* 03Spargle 5* (+121) 10/* The world's stupidest language. */ < 1624914243 569503 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624915218 15860 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624915489 395563 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1624915718 235905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624917896 401207 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624918602 86817 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JBFM7L14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85496&oldid=85494 5* 03Kemuri 5* (-83) 10/* Instructions */ > 1624918833 780291 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JBFM7L14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85497&oldid=85496 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+96) 10/* Instructions */ < 1624921162 175491 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624921178 246818 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1624921183 943985 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624923125 77501 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1624923321 714354 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85498&oldid=85487 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-17) 10Undo revision 85487 by [[Special:Contributions/Spargle|Spargle]] ([[User talk:Spargle|talk]]) Please do not add alphabetic languages to the non-alphabetic list. < 1624924247 639301 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624924312 286429 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1624924560 96287 :scjosh4!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 JOIN #esolangs scjosh :Josh < 1624924667 192856 :scjosh!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624924667 523986 :scjosh4!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 NICK :scjosh < 1624926159 77939 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1624926483 623766 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DemiCD64 5* 10New user account > 1624926842 441086 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85499&oldid=85466 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+42) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ < 1624928867 25781 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :As far as I could tell, the .NET specification requires specific code for the DOS stub (which says this program cannot run in DOS mode), which isn't very good if you cannot customize it. < 1624928941 943349 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Mal Sproule < 1624928974 351198 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You might want to change the error message (e.g. "This program requires .NET/Mono"), or to check for and execute another program in the same directory which implements .NET on DOS (and might require DLMI, maybe) < 1624929113 539158 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Isn't it? > 1624929471 18595 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85500&oldid=84908 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+25) 10/* Error Reporting */ Update to latest < 1624929683 884553 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624929939 249582 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Mal Sproule > 1624930168 617702 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85501&oldid=85483 5* 03DemiCD64 5* (+207) 10 > 1624930209 279598 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SWING14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85502 5* 03DemiCD64 5* (+1459) 10Created page with "SWING is an esoteric programming language created by Alan Kubiak, written in DPL. == Characteristics == The SWING programming language works using numerical values only. ==..." < 1624932257 170179 :Guest39!~Guest39@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest39 < 1624932258 168837 :Guest39!~Guest39@c-76-107-128-129.hsd1.ms.comcast.net QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1624933452 114699 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624933458 677292 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Mal Sproule < 1624933769 155758 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Mal Sproule < 1624933844 215745 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624936113 322395 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1624936442 323066 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85503&oldid=85500 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+363) 10/* Execution */ < 1624936898 69554 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624936924 218778 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Mal Sproule < 1624936924 376081 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Client Quit < 1624938036 647704 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624938062 243263 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624938110 819795 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1624939925 96528 :j-bot!~jbot@2a02:e00:ffec:76e::a QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624939943 936721 :j-bot!~jbot@irc.supplies JOIN #esolangs * :jevalbot < 1624940265 531008 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624940293 639601 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1624942890 778179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85504&oldid=85503 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+526) 10/* Execution */ < 1624947090 334538 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624947790 155250 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Mal Sproule < 1624948965 157081 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624950685 754036 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85505&oldid=85504 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+85) 10/* Execution */ < 1624951445 170187 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] VilgotanL < 1624951455 941271 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :h < 1624951497 374006 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i < 1624951757 518387 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624952098 169463 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624952121 172073 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] VilgotanL < 1624952121 184152 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a < 1624952129 817118 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a < 1624953674 715974 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624953994 634716 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624954156 255854 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 QUIT :Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM < 1624954161 77141 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 QUIT :Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM < 1624954163 385825 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d QUIT :Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM < 1624954177 635789 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624954401 329766 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/old90/constant.html < 1624955553 637362 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624956495 441654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85506&oldid=85451 5* 03Rphii 5* (+136) 10/* Examples */ added FizzBuzz example < 1624956708 346183 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :found an interesting read on what is "blog" and what were the first blogs: https://www.netfunny.com/rhf/oldest-blog.html < 1624956729 278384 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there any interesting read on what is "hacker" and what are the initial definitions? > 1624956854 125821 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85507&oldid=85506 5* 03Rphii 5* (-143) 10/* Using a Scope */ remove since there is the FizzBuzz example > 1624957284 299949 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85508&oldid=85505 5* 03PolySaken 5* (-30) 10/* Sources */ < 1624957584 549923 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :They mention finger; the protocol is similar enough to gopher that you can use gopher URLs. < 1624957603 882225 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wiktionary leads here http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html < 1624957645 556578 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, you can still make a NNTP-based blog too, either moderated or unmoderated. < 1624957681 577502 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(My own NNTP server software does not implement moderated newsgroups, although you can use another one, or add to the one I did) < 1624957774 101452 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1624958393 624545 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624958954 542610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85509&oldid=85508 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+0) 10/* Execution */ > 1624959413 653464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85510&oldid=85507 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Timers */ fix mess-up (pushing order) < 1624959663 954208 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also this https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1392 > 1624960063 524196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85511&oldid=85509 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+47) 10/* Sources */ > 1624960218 361715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85512&oldid=85511 5* 03PolySaken 5* (-9) 10/* Sources */ < 1624960769 628387 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624960824 445440 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624960866 307287 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624960920 380987 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1624961756 164634 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85513&oldid=85510 5* 03Rphii 5* (+84) 10added categories > 1624961928 469964 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IDK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85514&oldid=80623 5* 03GrapeApple 5* (-1) 10Change GitHub username < 1624962561 714069 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are there any declarative two-dimensional languages < 1624965231 244909 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624965332 952068 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Mal Sproule < 1624967973 959094 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos JOIN #esolangs kspalaiologos :Kamila < 1624968418 572450 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624968504 398376 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85515&oldid=85462 5* 03Provitia 5* (+6) 10/* Package reference */ > 1624968525 295389 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85516&oldid=85515 5* 03Provitia 5* (+49) 10/* Implementations */ < 1624968782 947864 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624969291 90521 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624969601 733404 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb https://imgur.com/a/mmGF1iT < 1624969756 693654 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://www.nakilon.pro/esolang.htm < 1624969809 999618 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624969852 486521 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: thanks < 1624970051 658424 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :funciton <3 < 1624970088 358451 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624971165 623760 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624971457 771448 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85517&oldid=85513 5* 03Rphii 5* (-3) 10/* FizzBuzz */ improve < 1624971583 106016 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, there is some bug on my page that trims the '?' ..( < 1624971624 636801 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624971660 949972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85518&oldid=85456 5* 03AmNow 5* (-1) 10string > 1624971914 320821 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AMiaBF!?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85519&oldid=85474 5* 03AmNow 5* (+19) 10cats: year > 1624972607 904601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SWING14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85520&oldid=85502 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+65) 10Cats > 1624973253 585102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IDK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85521&oldid=85514 5* 03GrapeApple 5* (+316) 10Some changes > 1624973282 491794 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IDK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85522&oldid=85521 5* 03GrapeApple 5* (-37) 10Remove warning < 1624973420 938236 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624974642 519082 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1624974676 641907 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624976331 865350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1624979064 748727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ItOi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85523&oldid=84504 5* 03Grs 5* (-23) 10 < 1624980177 220429 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1624980181 597117 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: yes, https://esolangs.org/wiki/But_Is_It_Art%3F < 1624980573 630501 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking, a lot of programming languages have a very linear sort of temporality < 1624980610 645355 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :possibly also https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tableaux , I honestly don't understand how that works, every time I try to read the description, it confuses me, so I gave up < 1624980633 404274 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has something two-dimensional and something declarative, but might not be a two-dimensional langauge according to the usual definition < 1624980643 486076 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I was wondering how to break free of that linearity < 1624980669 429085 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: then I think you want But Is It Art < 1624980894 927800 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see it comes from the time when I stopped paying attention to esolangs because aaah university < 1624981081 163447 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but Feather probably also breaks out of the linear sort of temporality < 1624981130 606570 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I was briefly worried that it had become my turn to invent Feather < 1624981404 701674 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and of course git, with its stupid way of copying a timestamp when you non-squish cherry-pick a commit, so there's no way to tell when the commit actually got created, unless you manage to find it in the reflog of the original repo where it got created, all other repos will just have a reflog time when it got pushed or fetched there) < 1624981503 216691 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I hate git. a version control system is supposed to be able to tell you the state of a branch at a particular time, but that relies on real timestamps that the server sets rather then believing whatever timestamp the client tells them, especially when that timestamp is usually fake for cherry-picks.) < 1624981820 871336 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: something similar to But Is It Art would be to take a nondeterministic finite automaton without inputs and with finite time, that is, your program consists of an alphabet of states, one special state designated as the edge (start and end) state, a set of pairs of states that can appear horizontally one after the other, a set of pairs of < 1624981821 370592 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :states that can appear vertically one after the other, and execution succeeds if you can fill a rectangular grid of unknown size with a state in each cell such that the edge state appears in the top/bottom/left/right edges but nowhere else, two horizontally adjacent states are in the first set, two vertically adjacent states are the second set. < 1624981896 944477 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could in fact simulate But Is It Art with such a finite automaton, with one state for each non-space character occurrance in the BIIA program source code < 1624981924 296671 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :simulating backwards is a bit more difficult, because it's hard to exclude that edges can only occur at the edge < 1624981956 88061 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus of course you'd need to grow the program to use a larger tile for each single cell of this finite automaton < 1624982345 975755 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624983239 93010 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1624984185 625144 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624985521 687235 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you prefer other version control systems, such as fossil (which records the date/time of commits by the D card)? > 1624985631 768051 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Eek.png10]]": Logo for the Eek! programming language > 1624985715 812630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85525&oldid=84853 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+43) 10 < 1624989409 625576 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624990706 494513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Patternfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85526&oldid=83508 5* 03Robolta 5* (+99) 10 > 1624990725 807159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Patternfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85527&oldid=85526 5* 03Robolta 5* (+24) 10 < 1624990848 956877 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1624991198 770617 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Robolta14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85528&oldid=80140 5* 03Robolta 5* (-13) 10/* Created Esolangs */ > 1624991207 232293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85529 5* 03AmNow 5* (+1277) 10contents > 1624991247 323905 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85530&oldid=85459 5* 03AmNow 5* (+14) 10added lang > 1624991337 50001 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85531&oldid=85498 5* 03AmNow 5* (+8) 10added lang < 1624991414 337957 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624991441 319379 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624991484 122961 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit < 1624991517 860729 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624991984 225314 :NotApplicable1!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624992132 465296 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space NICK :queeries < 1624992792 587072 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624994432 152057 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624995036 949162 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-22-76-65-6-39.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1624996608 686449 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs : I heard somethin estoeric < 1624996632 436397 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eelVqfm8vVc < 1624996634 926868 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are different clocks < 1624997086 215110 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@mobile-166-176-249-157.mycingular.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1624998365 952271 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624998420 940162 :NotApplicable1!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1624998602 186243 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@mobile-166-176-249-157.mycingular.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624999142 939120 :NotApplicable1!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624999264 616973 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624999718 543459 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-22-76-65-6-39.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1625001118 44898 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :One of my ideas is to make AT_FDCWD to be an ordinary file descriptor. Also a newfd function, causing the next call that opens a file descriptor to use the specified number instead of a new one; if it is already open, then the old file descriptor is closed if the open is sucessful (and left alone otherwise); the newfd is cancelled afterward either way, whether successful or not. < 1625001199 445821 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also PIDFD, which if added to a file descriptor number then the sum can be used where a process ID is expected. PIDFD-1 is never valid, and numbers less than PIDFD-1 are process ID numbers. < 1625002140 952950 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds like a good feature < 1625003852 937415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-177.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: you mention that pid thing, but I still don't think that's a good idea, it sounds dangerous, though I can't really tell why, and if you want to do such a thing, it should be a bit in a separate flag argument rather than added into the pid number < 1625003919 302352 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:70d9:6b8a:7264:8769 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1625004158 695526 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1625004200 410034 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs jryans :@jryans:matrix.org < 1625004689 354267 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d QUIT :Quit: node-irc says goodbye < 1625004822 944008 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 JOIN #esolangs * :@fizzie:zem.fi < 1625004824 479489 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 JOIN #esolangs Deewiant :@deewiant:maon.fi < 1625005346 177016 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1625005349 909878 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1625005702 453137 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs jryans :@jryans:matrix.org < 1625005991 842649 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: At least one danger might be avoided by PIDFD-1 being never valid. Also, I don't really like adding separate system calls for this and is why I prefer this way < 1625006006 709258 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 JOIN #esolangs Deewiant :@deewiant:maon.fi < 1625006019 203971 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 JOIN #esolangs * :@fizzie:zem.fi < 1625007311 632473 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1625008022 400920 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Knight14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85532 5* 03Easyaspi314 5* (+5132) 10Create page < 1625008304 102456 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1625008659 595639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S3C (sssc)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85533&oldid=85495 5* 03Spargle 5* (+49) 10/* Syntax: */ > 1625008710 845113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S3C (sssc)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85534&oldid=85533 5* 03Spargle 5* (+65) 10/* The world's stupidest language. */ < 1625008956 627073 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1625009546 75219 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85535 5* 03AmNow 5* (+657) 10Created page with " is a [[Zero Instruction Set Computer]] made by [[User:AmNow]]. == Command == has only one command: . It increments an 8-bit accumulator.
At the end of any p..." > 1625009637 493717 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85536&oldid=85530 5* 03AmNow 5* (+23) 10added lang > 1625009674 620806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85537&oldid=85531 5* 03AmNow 5* (+10) 10added lang > 1625009679 763938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IDK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85538&oldid=85522 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* External resources */ at > 1625009790 995948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85539&oldid=85535 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+89) 10/* Spam #s to the console */ Cats > 1625009798 471156 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85540&oldid=85539 5* 03AmNow 5* (-18) 10removed unnecessary condition > 1625009810 432948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85541&oldid=85540 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Spam #s to the console */ cat > 1625009929 97396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85542&oldid=85529 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+50) 10/* Factorial */ cAts < 1625011795 427475 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1625012909 179931 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85543&oldid=85499 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+6) 10/* Grammar */ > 1625013063 635394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85544&oldid=85537 5* 03Easyaspi314 5* (+13) 10/* K */ Add Knight > 1625013825 585834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Knight14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85545&oldid=85532 5* 03Easyaspi314 5* (+0) 10/* Syntax */ fix typo < 1625015979 306690 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :Corbin < 1625016208 303294 :imode!~imode@user/imode NICK :duckmode < 1625018918 951063 :duckmode!~imode@user/imode NICK :imode > 1625019686 378688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Metabox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85546 5* 03Batata 5* (+35189) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Metabox |class=[[Turing Complete|Turing Complete]] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |author=[[User:Batata]] |files=.mtbx }} '''Metabox''' is..." < 1625021396 262122 :archenoth!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1625023856 992387 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S3C (sssc)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85547&oldid=85534 5* 03Spargle 5* (-108) 10/* The world's stupidest language. */ < 1625024458 398615 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1625024515 669892 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1625024532 728959 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1625026924 605274 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Metabox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85548&oldid=85546 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-7) 10 < 1625030983 230160 :archenoth!~archenoth@s0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1625032694 211132 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1625033403 328555 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1625034755 580855 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1625037200 587634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1625037397 55442 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts-per_notation#Uno lmao < 1625037754 571824 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://twitter.com/Thinkwert/status/1409981370269642755 < 1625039688 530513 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1625040440 632014 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1625040605 630809 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1625040761 135906 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-177.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1625041245 636722 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1625044286 520188 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1625045403 597415 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@tell riv oh, NativLang is a cool channel < 1625045403 940464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Consider it noted. < 1625045429 868772 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I haven’t watched the clock video < 1625045605 228443 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :has anyone did this? https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/userns-remap/ < 1625047518 349376 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1625047942 169353 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] VilgotanL < 1625048045 624575 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1625048198 52193 :VilgotanL_!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1625048201 827168 :VilgotanL_!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1625048203 964738 :VilgotanL_!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :from linux < 1625048208 108533 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Client Quit < 1625048223 203604 :VilgotanL_!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e < 1625048315 260696 :VilgotanL_!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Client Quit < 1625048337 120471 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1625048378 783064 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Client Quit < 1625048402 208073 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1625048588 433820 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1625048749 636205 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1625049006 629499 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1625054489 165210 :archenoth!~archenoth@s0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1625054513 138864 :archenoth!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1625055052 809741 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1625055149 168727 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1625055214 710571 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, did Michael Jordan really retire only three times, or is this some particularly weird interpretation where he decided that some of his retirements don't really count and he threatens to sue journalists who disagree? < 1625055214 992486 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: intrinsic sin... original sin would be nice if the link was supposed to be very, very quirky. use makeinfo --html. it's a herring. < 1625055501 947999 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :retiring is a rin < 1625055518 190172 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot don't retire < 1625055518 423708 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: the only thing keeping me from seeing the musical mama mia, which was what you'd think < 1625055612 132060 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: I bet it's the pandemic. it kept a lot of people from watching musicals. < 1625055612 377101 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: from forcix.cx, " some yellow things are sickly", " the inventor of thutu/ cyclexa mix > 1625055996 348515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85549&oldid=84302 5* 03Batata 5* (-13) 10 > 1625056043 872232 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85550&oldid=85549 5* 03Batata 5* (-35) 10 > 1625056061 308447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85551&oldid=85550 5* 03Batata 5* (+0) 10 > 1625056158 837622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitbot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85552&oldid=85024 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+80) 10 < 1625056762 671025 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1625057078 306884 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1625057820 320713 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1625058138 218523 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1625058524 756189 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1625059718 669111 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1625059980 624212 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1625060742 781352 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85553&oldid=75737 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+28) 10/* External resources */ Waybcak < 1625060792 226945 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :waybcak < 1625062246 170242 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1625062319 450960 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1625062431 555106 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1625062635 636818 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1625062941 844230 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: For an esolang based on sunburns, you could have something that continuously corrupts the code, with a mechanism to do error correction. < 1625063033 838367 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :until cancer < 1625063060 648415 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is cancer a stopping condition or merely a weirder machine? < 1625063118 998719 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :a cellular automata that segfaults in the end < 1625063321 899941 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, do you know why people don't live forever? because there are such things like prions -- IIRC they get into your organism and grow like we grow, and when they are mature they are killing us < 1625063418 90576 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought that it was because of the expansion of the universe. < 1625063421 733980 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we are able to give a birth of a child who does not have these prions in his organism so he gets them from the food and stuff and grows them inside until they kill him < 1625063467 620952 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the canonical answer has been "telomere shortening" for some time now, but I'm sure it's more nuanced than that. < 1625063482 998925 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Prion disease doesn't seem to be all that common. < 1625063501 116287 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this why cannibalism is dangerous -- when you eat someone of your kind you get his prions which might be enough mature already if the person you eat is older than you < 1625063542 296092 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah there might be other reasons to die < 1625063575 556305 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it only depends on which one of them will kill you first < 1625063577 211020 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: A version of your argument with slightly more evidence is lead; lead particles are thought to interfere at a chemical level with the formation of RNA. But usually neither lead nor prions are the cause of death, and we don't have evidence that their buildup is inevitable. < 1625063638 295131 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin IIRC this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt%E2%80%93Jakob_disease < 1625063685 23518 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone made cows eat each other so their disease of that kind became more mature in their organism < 1625063744 941595 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Yes, but as we know from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease) the solution is "don't eat diseased creatures" > 1625063763 49592 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IDK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85554&oldid=85538 5* 03GrapeApple 5* (-6) 10 < 1625063788 258888 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<^[> arseniiv: For an esolang based on sunburns, you could have something that continuously corrupts the code, with a mechanism to do error correction. => interesting idea! < 1625063804 797898 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :diseased species of your kind < 1625063845 986998 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :^[, arseniiv: If the level of corruption (random bit flips?) decreases over time, then this sounds like a generalization of simulated annealing. < 1625063846 555289 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's to stop prions from crossing species? < 1625063870 375622 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: oh, temperature < 1625063895 702264 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Different species have different proteins, so the wrong kind of prions won't be able to do any harm. < 1625063914 646075 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine a machine that can cure itself from viruses by replicating a clean new copy of itself of enough high garauntee to not have the viruses it already has < 1625063931 137870 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember thinking something about chemical soup esolang with temperature acting in some way, though I don’t remember anything now < 1625063945 510918 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif AFAIK we have different prions < 1625064000 70361 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv did you eat the soup when you got this idea? < 1625064139 911670 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv https://catseye.tc/article/Automata.md#noit-o-mnain-worb < 1625064143 63251 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: lol :D most probably no < 1625064196 751627 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I’ve seen that one! < 1625064207 881609 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Schrödinger's Game of Life" --- ahaha, just reading such title make my day < 1625064231 843442 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how it feel just to know that there is another crazy stuff in the world < 1625064306 447807 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think my idea was to use molecular graphs and predefine rules of their interactions in a profitable way, then the programmer specifies just the molecules he wants and it should compute something. The bottleneck was deciding how many elements and what rules to have < 1625064398 919424 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some reactions would input or output characters, like I think when Hg is involved as Mercury is a messenger < 1625064406 693053 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :like Spacechem but with rules? < 1625064449 726341 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe a bit like that < 1625064513 638352 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also maybe I planned that thing to be non-deterministic, but not to the bone, like reactions of some atom groups having precedence over others, unless temperature is high < 1625064534 72896 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder why deadly prions, viruses and bacterias exist -- do they know that they are deadly? > 1625064536 210937 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S3C (sssc)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85555&oldid=85547 5* 03Spargle 5* (+99) 10/* Syntax: */ < 1625064554 58045 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :do they have to exist? does it mean that malware will exist too in any way? < 1625064576 374398 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do they have is an interesting but hard question I think < 1625064605 678105 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it depends on how much unlike to ours we allow potential universes to be < 1625064628 356726 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and quantifying this stuff seems very hard to me < 1625064631 451805 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I need to make a video on this, because AFAICT none exist. There's a thought experiment, Pirsig's Chemistry Professor, which explains that every emergent level of complexity comes with its own morality-like rules. < 1625064657 126537 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I believe if I was reading sci-fi I would know a lot of stories about invading other planet to see how world is absolutely different < 1625064667 941261 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just need another spare life to read them > 1625064687 210064 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S3C (sssc)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85556&oldid=85555 5* 03Spargle 5* (+88) 10/* Examples: */ < 1625064714 152556 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The bulk of it is that "deadly" is about the morality of people, which is much higher-level (more emergent and complex) than proteins, DNA, or single-celled life. Each of those three things still exists at their own level of complexity and behaves according to their own fundamental rules. < 1625064743 214199 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :human stories though need to be more or less human-reachable so our sci-fi is not a good technique to approximate possible universes > 1625064765 192476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rphii14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85557&oldid=84887 5* 03Rphii 5* (+85) 10 < 1625064768 266725 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Pirsig specifically imagines a chemistry teacher sitting on a beach. The laws of chemistry say that the Sun and surf should dissolve them, but they don't; why not? Pirsig's answer is because homeostasis is part of life, not part of chemistry.) < 1625064790 119897 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't any living thing have a definition of death? when it just dies and only its replicants live < 1625064901 385956 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I totally get how frustrating it is to watch infections destroy precious things. A fly bit me two days ago and it wreaked havoc on my poor leg, now I need seven different meds to bring it back to health pronto, and still that would be at least a week :-\ < 1625064939 397288 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :_Oo < 1625064942 317482 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I wouldn’t distinguish infections from tsunamis, earthquakes and supernova explosions < 1625065007 505110 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :record a pus and post to /r/popping for karma < 1625065023 983099 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopefully there wouldn’t be any! < 1625065073 990195 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in case of tsunami the tsunami definitely does not need us while in case of organic threats the things are more complicated; we need bacterias and viruses for life < 1625065091 474024 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and they need us < 1625065099 880297 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's why it's weird that some are killing us < 1625065109 437579 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though they help us evolute but... < 1625065127 534967 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :we need viruses for life? < 1625065142 982852 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think bacteria knows how to evolute us on the way to make us more protected against crocodiles < 1625065147 448532 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bacteria usually don’t need us too and then accidentally co-evolve like with hm how it was called, a medieval plague thing < 1625065151 412349 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean i've heard of the codependence (forgot the word) with bacteria, but idk of viruses < 1625065190 804251 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif: it was hypothesized viruses made some advances in bacteria and eucaryotes, though I don’t remember which < 1625065194 870734 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif there is a virus that is ingrown in women placenta (I'm speaking in simple words within my biological knowledge) and without it we won't be able to give a birth < 1625065202 238801 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :half of our DNA is viruses < 1625065226 568703 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :'half of our DNA is viruses < 1625065244 938748 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :' => but that's because of infections, that doesn't mean we need them < 1625065257 469991 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :*past infections > 1625065383 235820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tiltedc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85558&oldid=84632 5* 03Rphii 5* (+330) 10add pros and cons and fix indentation in hello world example < 1625065425 556983 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm 'The placenta goes viral: Retroviruses control gene expression in pregnancy' < 1625065494 250133 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :titlegore < 1625065506 460136 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif: Viruses are an important carrier of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer and so they are constantly participating in evolutionary improvements at all higher levels of life. < 1625065542 812819 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Knowledge is an illusion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem < 1625065587 200918 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't google a shit < 1625065593 287467 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :search results are full of covid < 1625065613 81026 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :covid literally contaminated google so I can't find what I want ..\ < 1625065652 871191 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :knowledge isn't an illusion < 1625065683 118773 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just because you cannot clearly define something doesn't mean it doesn't exist < 1625065697 670868 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: i did not know that. also thanks for mentioning the pirsig's chemsitry professor parafox, interesting stuff < 1625065704 651394 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i cannot give you a definition of game that would work, yet i am fairly sure games do exist < 1625065881 624136 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :аinally < 1625065884 522605 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_viral_element#Co-option_and_exaptation_by_host_species < 1625065889 534775 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*finally < 1625065940 62948 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: 'I need to make a video on this' => you have a youtube channel or something? i'd be interested if you are willing to share it < 1625065945 421166 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people believed that there will be new, even better Quake game but it does not come < 1625065971 430361 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif: I don't have any good relevant videos on the channel right now. Making good videos has been my goal this year, but I've failed horribly at it. < 1625066004 347237 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But yeah, I have a whiteboard full of topics in (philosophy of) computer science which *somebody* needs to talk about, and I guess I have to do it. < 1625066079 863717 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: That's fair. To paraphrase Socrates, I would accept that some authority could define things for us, but I would wonder exactly what the basis for that authority is. (FYI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorial_game_theory) < 1625066098 623252 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds like something i'd watch < 1625066108 664756 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I have the book "On Numbers and Games" on my shelf. I read it every few years just to have my brain broken again. RIP Conway.) < 1625066137 679308 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :crashcourse philosophy actually used the gettier problem for its knowledge episode < 1625066226 391167 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif: Maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaUmXvN6OAY (philosophy) or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfepFANkz-k (comp. sci.) would be interesting. This is the sort of stuff I want to make more of. < 1625066269 234374 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks < 1625066646 672174 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: aaah did you use to go by simpson? i remember seeing you on #lojban < 1625066687 559615 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep, same great snark, one character shorter. < 1625066739 173305 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1625066744 439067 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lojban <3 < 1625066807 705684 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1625066829 626358 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1625066961 492558 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: I've been meaning to learn lojban, but for practical reasons I've been focusing on Italian first < 1625067117 287503 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i am really bad at learning vocabulary, so i basically gave up on learning any new language with the intent of actually using it < 1625067127 717273 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i like to look at grammar and stuff, though < 1625067494 482799 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wanted to learn the language of Elves by Tolkien -- Quenya < 1625067511 84511 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it only made my nickname < 1625067994 728830 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1625070334 624997 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1625071593 638245 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1625072401 572118 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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How would you print the character &? I think it would make more sense if..." < 1625077840 860371 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1625078326 183231 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1625078786 964293 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Maybe I'll just copy the favicon. < 1625084785 392933 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh! let's make the guidelinet that the temporary lemon slice log shall be replaced when we feature the hundredth language! < 1625084816 129446 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or that we start a discussion for replacing the logo after the hundredth featured language < 1625085070 157357 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I made an abstract (SVG) trilime approximation once, but nobody liked it. 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