< 1627605374 298197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1627606390 668338 :velik!~velik@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627606844 836650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : Terminology question: What do we call it when a language turns unknown identifiers into searches on the filesystem? Like, unknown identifier "foo" becomes an attempt to read foo.sourcecode, or "foo/bar" tries to read foo/bar.sourcecode. <-- . o O ( insecure ) < 1627606949 554060 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i've never heard of that feature < 1627606954 990538 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's kinda awesome < 1627607011 980569 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On that note, four windows → that-a-way: pasting BEGIN { `rm -rf ~/**` } in a pl file should probably not irreparably break my computer < 1627607022 457984 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The topic was language servers and syntax highlighting.) < 1627607024 432804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why is it more insecure than any other language that stores source code on a file system... < 1627607062 453522 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(we already routinely map module names to file names) < 1627607102 586632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yeah, we love language servers, and file browsers that try to render a preview of every file < 1627607136 7603 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you know that with all the plugins installed, at least one of the previewer plugins will be buggy, and probably a previewer that you wouldn't even use < 1627607158 294158 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I did > cat > t.pl \ BEGIN { `rm -rf ~/**` } < 1627607162 476418 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and nothing happened < 1627607197 35693 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I guess I'm failing to provide the context, what is "four windows → that-a-way" < 1627607306 709781 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In this case, the #perl channel, and I don't think it was necessarily a real example. But it's something about how you can't parse Perl code fully without actually running the parser, and you can't run the parser in a way that wouldn't execute that shell command. < 1627607340 930747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it wasn't a serious comment, just the first thing that popped into my mind when reading that. < 1627607349 793473 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Ah. Yeah that makes sense. < 1627607351 824998 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also vaguely in that direction, see Leffert, A. & Reed, J.: Oracle Types, SIGBOVIK 2021, http://sigbovik.org/2021/proceedings.pdf (in the "Type" Track). < 1627607366 54250 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: that's because the extension isn't enough, you need the previewer to autodetect the language, and it thinks it's ruby. try (echo $'#!/usr/bin/perl\nBEGIN { `rm -rf something` }' > t.pl) instead < 1627607384 345815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"tge previewer" < 1627607404 206141 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ah yes < 1627607410 974500 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that "type system" < 1627607419 29410 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fun one < 1627607424 681430 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"the previewer"--please elaborate. < 1627607538 473106 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: sorry for taking your humorous comment seriously *d&r* < 1627607582 980118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION runs after int-e with the swatter -----### < 1627607612 587938 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :phew < 1627607618 888679 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was afraid it would be the mapole < 1627607636 861091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: i think b_jonas is confusing the topics on the channel hth < 1627607667 380569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :the mapole isn't mine, it's patiently waiting for boily's return < 1627607698 505433 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1627607704 281120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm i haven't checked r/friends in a long time < 1627607713 225316 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :did boily get lost while trying to revive metasepia? < 1627607814 98492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i see him posting a reddit comment saying HEIN? two days ago < 1627607815 895391 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Autodetection will not always detect something correctly, though. < 1627607822 867728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :in that loud quebec thread < 1627607831 743652 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? reddit < 1627607834 970150 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :reddit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1627607840 671410 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, sometimes the syntax highlighting will not be able to work correctly without executing the file. < 1627607845 110948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: thausible < 1627607850 83016 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I do know *about* reddit, but who has the time?) < 1627607876 77317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the top is Sgeo responding to a rather hilariously titled oculuc thread < 1627607910 4157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: i still like to check r/physics and r/haskell a bit on occasion < 1627607928 832781 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn Reddit is a supercharged tab exploder. < 1627607933 220120 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Learned 'reddit': Reddit is a supercharged tab exploder. < 1627608078 497125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also had r/math open already, but i actually read less there usually) < 1627608153 771829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just never got into reddit. Nor slashdot when that was still relevant... < 1627608213 904215 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :+5 insightful. < 1627608224 104262 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i like reddit < 1627608237 161723 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has more of what made old school web forums good, compared to facebutt or twitter < 1627608245 231585 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not really "social media" at least not the way i use it < 1627608584 788482 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :any popular or default-subscribed reddits are usually bad though < 1627609016 542978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: on the bright side that thread Sgeo posted in reinforces my decision never to get into Facebook < 1627609033 754247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also regret i started reading it < 1627609131 611978 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is Facebook? < 1627609133 388406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::P < 1627609165 300000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: some place people seem to keep getting angry about < 1627609222 540700 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, *I* get angry about Facebook a lot and I've never even had an account. < 1627609226 35501 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :'"virtualenv" is such a presumptious command name' -- that's pithon for ya < 1627609244 58775 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Though the way they operate I'm bound to have at least one shadow account.) < 1627609259 586143 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they always presume there is nothing else in the world except of them < 1627609303 399386 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guido invented the plus operator -- I see this in their minds since 2007 < 1627609318 179387 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also invented computers < 1627609342 138237 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1627609391 543589 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because he needed something to run his interpreter on < 1627609620 293026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, Python is a pretty nice language. < 1627609673 80797 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :...FOR ME TO POOP ON! < 1627609681 140777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( is Guido related to Wolfram? ) < 1627609733 49216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: how many generations back are you willing to look? < 1627609758 956792 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( and why does it matter ) < 1627610193 699153 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I keep forgetting what the ~/music/unsorted/nsa_music directory is named after, and being all "huh, what's this then?", but it's just called that because there once was a Networked Storage Appliance that held the files in the directory. < 1627610245 212030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: we need to detect the gene for having invented everything! oh how could i forget Taneb < 1627610274 288042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :with 3 samples it should be really easy to find < 1627610286 904734 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :at wolfram does not pretend to invent < 1627610308 419683 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :he didn't add the word "lambda" to his language to pretend that it now has lambdas < 1627610324 101700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: not in mathematica, but in his CA work < 1627610352 349795 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*at least < 1627610354 27570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :people point out that he wrote A New Kind of Science as if a lot of the ideas were new by him, which weren't < 1627610356 948940 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: is there anything that nakilon doesn't hate? < 1627610357 446141 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: but i'm wasting 4 bits with your code, to achieve the latter via imports and sutff? < 1627610372 527621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :or something like that. < 1627610391 507290 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people who know nothing love everything < 1627610401 24731 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: do you know anybody who has actually read that book? < 1627610411 127818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that's just what they want you to think hth < 1627610459 276803 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nsa music < 1627610474 62101 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1627610496 890860 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :one time i wrote a song about how people had hacked my microwave and were using it to spy on me < 1627610499 874674 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe that's nsa music < 1627610504 367393 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are RFC documents available without HTTPS? If you want to read the RFC to implement it if you do not have a implementation already, then it won't be very good. Other protocols can also help too (HTTP, Gopher, Gemini, etc), and also working even if you do not have internet connection, e.g. buy the book, borrow from library, etc. < 1627610504 899898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: i know scott aaronson and steven weinberg both reviewed it, does that count? < 1627610530 749249 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: what if you don't have a TCP implementation either < 1627610554 145047 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: In that case you will need the book, like I mentioned. < 1627610559 261116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Oh Scott Aaronson reviewed it? I'm intrigued... (found it on arxiv) < 1627610564 55460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/which weren't/which many weren't/, let's not exaggerate too much < 1627610645 897677 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Even if you can access it on internet, still you might want the book in case you want the printout but do not want to (or cannot) make the printout from your own computer (maybe in case there are too many pages).) < 1627610704 437923 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :during last years every language has already implemented lambdas, even c++, but that one feeling butthurt due to realisation own uglyness keeps saying "nooo! we don't need what you all do! we are da best! we just have a keywork lambda and it's enough! we are da best lang in the world because we repeat this on daily basis! we don't need to prove it, < 1627610704 680944 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :we just spread our cancer into ears of uneducated people who aren't aware of existence of other languages, because they are the majority and the percentage of our users will be the only thing that matters!" < 1627610723 269974 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*keyword < 1627610792 714971 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even any kind of database services can also work with telephone by TTY or fax; in the case of fax, send a blank page to retrieve a form like a 80-column computer card, fill in your query by shading the positions corresponding to the characters that you want, and then send the completed form. You can send it again later in case you want to receive updated data (e.g. weather forecasts). Menus are also possible in similar way, too. < 1627610812 913264 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: There is still an FTP service answering at ftp.rfc-editor.org. < 1627610817 520888 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the stubborness was so hard they made a zoo of at least three workarounds to just not make it like normal people do < 1627610835 744476 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the last time I looked at it several years ago) < 1627610901 487947 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: "We believe that Wolfram is overstating his case." *chuckles* < 1627610913 129752 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :are there any actual examples of automated fax services working through such forms? < 1627610918 187309 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a cute idea < 1627610942 627382 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i think in actuality such things would have been done through teletype < 1627610954 475404 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a feeling the https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc-retrieval.txt.pdf document has not been updated very frequently. < 1627610959 348553 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: FTP is even worse than HTTP, though. < 1627610975 777878 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it does claim you may obtain RFC documents over email using an automated service. < 1627611085 321545 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: I don't know of any such thing, but you can try to implement if wanted, I suppose < 1627611114 153332 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm kind of sad that I missed the era of packet radio BBSes < 1627611122 112883 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is this? community supported hostings for IEFT RFC documents? < 1627611130 765929 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*mirrors < 1627611133 661202 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did use some phone-line BBSes though < 1627611182 500605 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :should there be some official list of checksums of RFCs? < 1627611198 722300 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then the checksum of that list, lol < 1627611208 129864 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Any site in the US running UUCP may call +1 900 GOT SRCS --" that's a great phone number though. < 1627611407 612017 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :BBS systems (or I guess it's just "BB systems" to avoid redundancy) were colloquially called "purkki" or "boksi" (jar, can, box) in Finnish. < 1627611512 74970 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to dial into fiMUG's "Apple Garden BBS" occasionally, even though I didn't even have a Macintosh computer -- it ran on FirstClass, so you could use it with a graphical client, very fancy. < 1627611811 329054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: surely there's a git repo of them all somewhere :-P < 1627611850 539234 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is an rsync option. < 1627611857 257097 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :One thing I dislike about git is that it does not use directly the hash of the file, but rather the hash of the file with the header prepended that specifies its length. < 1627611858 736148 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not that it helps in terms of checksumming.) < 1627611893 829554 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Using directly the hash would be better for also content addressing etc with any systems that may use directly the hash of the file. < 1627611957 880586 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine someone will make a system that compiles things based on RFCs automatically < 1627611960 776365 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think IPFS also does not use directly the hash of the file, due to using limited block sizes, and uses a format incompatible with git. IPFS with direct hashing would be better, I think.) < 1627611964 586850 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then you give it fake RFC with a backdoor... > 1627612962 169683 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:MinimLogo.png10]]": Improved kerning of monogram > 1627612979 148 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 revert10 02 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:MinimLogo.png10]]": Reverted to version as of 07:19, 29 July 2021 (UTC) > 1627613059 265644 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:MinimLogo.png10]]": Improved kerning and alignment of monogram < 1627613773 813034 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1627614544 307082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86728&oldid=86724 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+9) 10/* Memory */ Fixed maximum memory size < 1627616407 158774 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :where do you guys store you notes about servers you probably administer in some way? < 1627616435 374597 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :like notes where are key files, how drives are attaches, which services should be set up, etc. < 1627616464 159455 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :such info that I'm, for example, now am going to use to migrate software from one machine to another one < 1627616519 486982 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I run stuff on my own computer, so I keep notes only with information about backups on remote servers (for public data). > 1627617355 163847 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86729&oldid=86728 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+520) 10/* Statements */ Added Gosub and Return stubs < 1627617583 781364 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1627617864 694138 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1627617881 718900 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1627618136 341471 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1627618153 709955 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1627618775 779115 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyone used Chromium OS ? < 1627618921 530970 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm tempted to use this one for the new instance https://cloud.google.com/container-optimized-os < 1627619353 193072 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow just recently heard about Centos being discontinued and now I read the same about CoreOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_Linux < 1627619362 196337 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf is happening to Red Hat < 1627621098 299617 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1627622005 986991 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What algorithm can be used to figure out to move around the nodes on a map so that they do not overlap and to draw bent lines between the nodes if needed? This is the program so far: http://sprunge.us/csRWxA and the output is: http://zzo38computer.org/img_1F/townmap.png the lines are wrong and some are not visible due to being covered up by the other one. < 1627622301 181009 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hate how graphviz bents the lines < 1627622334 831139 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it feels to me like they are wondering the same question too, for years, heh < 1627622461 226754 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe then in future we can improve this program, and then adapt the parts of this program for drawing other maps/graphs too, and then can use that as an alternative program once it is fixed. < 1627626047 394470 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1627626068 692088 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1627626119 308290 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1627627785 900239 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like there is some practice of "machine/cloud-instance metadata" that may include startup autorun scripts, a list of disks to mount, etc.; didn't use it much, maybe should < 1627627841 947518 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least in GCP it is a thing and it's not stored on the machine -- it's attached via the web console or via CLI from my external dev machine < 1627627845 102074 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :weird thing < 1627628783 296692 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/metadata/overview) < 1627629674 14778 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1627629801 173356 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1627631658 299098 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1627632360 708467 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1627632457 925590 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I have looked at Wolfram's ANKS and read a few pages of it, many years ago. < 1627632503 127234 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yes, at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/ < 1627632546 762541 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1627632586 907017 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that review by Scott Aaronson was helpful (link: https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0206089 ) < 1627632647 134208 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though it mostly confirmed that I've not missed much by not reading it. < 1627634749 958038 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :can anyone who understands how online auction sites work explain to me why it is that ebay sells DVD demagnetizers while amazon.com and amazon.co.uk doesn't? < 1627634800 542275 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :... < 1627634841 276076 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't want to buy one, I'm just trying to understand how online shopping works < 1627634888 227216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well ebay has a very low barrier of entry for selling stuff. < 1627634888 720456 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I'm fascinated by the idea that someone managed to top gold-plated audio connectors in snakeoil-like quality in such a spectacular fashion < 1627634910 500642 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Amazon... I don't know, how do you sell something on Amazon? < 1627634966 802322 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :banggood also doesn't seem to sell dvd demagnetizers < 1627635078 385083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :On Amazon you pay $40 a month to sell something... plus fees... and I imagine people who sell questionable items get reported and suspended regularly. < 1627635098 832482 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ebay lets you make an auction for free. < 1627635102 251739 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :AIUI < 1627635118 374516 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(with fees paid when it closes) > 1627635452 49379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03TJC games 5* 10moved [[02Gdelang10]] to [[Esolang:Gdelfuck]]: It is FAR more difficult to program than bf. The creator of bf would be proud. > 1627635452 80007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03TJC games 5* 10moved [[02Talk:Gdelang10]] to [[Esolang talk:Gdelfuck]]: It is FAR more difficult to program than bf. The creator of bf would be proud. > 1627635520 533565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86734&oldid=86658 5* 03TJC games 5* (+1) 10Gdelang -> Gdelfuck < 1627636553 968850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1627636616 49265 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, but that monthly fee isn't per listing, right? so someone who already pays the fee and regularly sells consumer electronics could add a listing < 1627636640 713004 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: the reporting might be correct though, ebay specifically makes it hard to report fraudulent entries. I tried to report once or twice and gave up. < 1627636699 697002 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: /if/ the reporting on amazon is effective (no clue, really) then you may be looking at $40 for every couple of listings... < 1627636781 861572 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, you have a point. on ebay, some fraudulent entries are by new sellers who pop up, then disappear after two months < 1627636810 856553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm saddened to think that there is a market for such a ludicrous product < 1627636856 962767 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are often multitudes of ebay listings of effectively the same product by supposedly different sellers < 1627636926 93086 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: well, I might be making it *slightly* more ludicrous than it is: it's originally listed mainly as an audio CD demagnetizer, and audio CDs have fewer error correction codes and the general tendency to continue reading even after an uncorrectable checksum error. that it also demagnetizes DVD is an added bonus. < 1627636962 572317 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But does it also function as an audio tape demagnetizer? < 1627637021 322321 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: no, those are physically incompatible. maybe it could work as a 5 inch floppy disk demagnetizer. < 1627637035 671775 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are audio tape casette player *head* demagnetizers though < 1627637078 666653 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't know whether those do anything potentially useful) < 1627637083 193634 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, those almost make sense (but there still shouldn't be any permamagnetic materials in there) < 1627637121 338378 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how? everything old is made of iron, because plastics sucked back then, so a lots of things incidentally have magnetizable materials < 1627637152 70291 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, they can have iron sheets for shielding < 1627637169 506341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or even just for structural stability in larger devices < 1627637187 493655 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or even just steel screws to hold plastic parts together, those can get magnetized too < 1627637596 849448 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the topic of metadata (mostly config files) about machines I administer, I've spoken about it before, but I keep mine in a git repo with a "dist" branch (config files as they came out from the distribution's packages) in addition to the one with the edited files, so that when there's a software upgrade that changes a config file I've edited, I can just commit the new version to the dist branch < 1627637598 424524 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then merge it to get a proper three-way merge. < 1627637600 954999 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's complemented with some homegrown "deploy" scripts that you can ask to compare the files with a cached copy of what's expected to be live on the machine, and for changed files connects over SSH, double-checks that the *actually* live copy matches the cached one (i.e., I've not edited anything "in situ"), and pushes the updates. The script's one of those "no install needed on the remote end"; < 1627637602 427395 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :it pushes the deploy logic along with the data over the SSH connection. < 1627637604 481059 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since that's where I keep all configuration, other less structured notes about systems also go in the same repository, they're just not listed as deployable configuration files. > 1627637607 611676 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86735&oldid=86592 5* 03LyricLy 5* (-86) 10Improve professionality < 1627637730 319668 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1627637839 47443 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And on the topic of Chromium OS, I used a portable Chrome OS device (the Pixel Slate) for maybe a bit less than a year as the thing I'd take on a trip to do browser stuff, SSH, and other assorted bits of computing, like playing around with its ARC+ and Crostini virtualization things for Android and Linux software, respectively. But I don't think I learned anything particularly relevant about the < 1627637840 440445 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :operating system from that. < 1627639557 688407 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.60.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1627641706 972888 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1627641711 114635 :slavfox_!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1627641756 587184 :slavfox_!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 NICK :slavfox < 1627641812 482267 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf is DVD demagnetizer? < 1627642005 335056 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1627642191 700072 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that's nice. I should probably organize the dozen config files that I modify somehow, even if not in such a powerful way. < 1627642240 233234 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :keeping unstructured notes about the systems in the config directory is an interesting idea, I haven't considered that < 1627642267 107220 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one problem is that some of the configuration contains secret information, as in passwords or private keys < 1627642294 362233 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and ideally I want to make ic always clear which stuff is secret < 1627642909 769373 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :THIS_IS_SECRET_DONT_READ_IT.txt < 1627644829 941460 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I don't have a great solution for secrets. I do have a separate place for "keys" in general, but sometimes a password or something kind of has to go into a config file. Like wifi pre-shared keys for the router or whatnot. Maybe I should add some support for references to secrets stored elsewhere, that would be substituted on the fly when pushing. < 1627645100 679015 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i usually .gitignore the file but have a dummy version with a fake password in it < 1627646086 864857 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ideally programs should be written in such a way that the config file doesn't have secrets, those are read from a separate file, but I might not bother changing this in existing programs as opposed to programs that I write < 1627646142 322216 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about secrets in env vars? < 1627646143 580411 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes, I guess I should make a version of the config file with a fake password, and substitute it as I deploy < 1627646176 294945 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: those definitely shouldn't exist. there too, the env-var should refer to the name of a file that has the password or key, or some other indirection < 1627646207 375230 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't think I've ever seen passwords given in an env-var. in command-line arguments, sure, sometimes people do that, but in general most people know that they shouldn't. < 1627646215 431596 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i feel the same way but i don't have a good reason for it < 1627646291 309603 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the reason is that the command-line arguments are readable from /proc to any user on the same system, and ps can display them < 1627646326 572142 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know whether this applies to env-vars: they are in /proc but I don't recall if they're readable to everyone < 1627646334 123543 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i see < 1627646339 780925 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so files are contained per user at least < 1627646376 81412 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for files you have to make sure to set up permissions correctly < 1627646390 718100 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can leak secrets by world-readable files too if you're not careful < 1627647272 916748 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's easier to steal a file than an env var < 1627647353 772695 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it's pretty usual to pass secrets as env vars -- secrets are often stored by the web service that you use to deploy things < 1627647399 333226 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example Github Actions < 1627647445 152926 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this damn thing does not work ( it just hangs https://cloud.google.com/container-optimized-os/docs/how-to/toolbox#installing_and_running_tools_from_toolbox and there is no way to install htop on container-optimized os < 1627647516 563408 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and their repo does not have Issues tab, nice https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/cos-toolbox < 1627647563 823104 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1627647868 476192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1627648060 727042 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://games.greggman.com/game/zip-rant/ < 1627648362 47690 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol, came to GCP's official slack with questions, see a guy with his own questions too and a thread where people say "try also asking on Stackoverflow" < 1627648395 788676 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :he did ask; "you won't believe!" but the questions got downvoted and closed, lol < 1627648442 897872 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this fucked up world where you aren't supposed to ask questions which are not about how to make a hello world < 1627648911 721919 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.trustwave.com/en-us/resources/blogs/spiderlabs-blog/is-modsecuritys-secrules-turing-complete/ < 1627649204 585037 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :make me unread it < 1627649258 143706 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the one about zip < 1627649653 370578 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh and this container-optimized image splits the 10GB disk in such way that leaves me only 5.7GB free from start https://dpaste.org/wk26/slim < 1627649701 445073 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, even 4.1GB actually < 1627650121 26084 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so my book says that LZW compression is universal in the sense that it can asymptotically compress any ergodic source to entropy < 1627650157 275750 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :proved by Cover and Thomas (1991) < 1627650163 459583 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i can't find this but it is an interesting result < 1627650212 78223 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it says that an adaptive arithmetic compression could also be universal for a much more restricted set of sources < 1627650472 599988 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://staff.ustc.edu.cn/~cgong821/Wiley.Interscience.Elements.of.Information.Theory.Jul.2006.eBook-DDU.pdf ok here is the proof on page 443 (469) < 1627650562 759611 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :> This result was proved by Wyner and Ziv [591]. < 1627650564 526747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:47: error: < 1627650564 526803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1627650742 166320 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wonder if that is the easiest way to compute the entropy of a source < 1627651071 428621 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I never thought about unary coding like this before: 1, 01, 001, 0001, ... represents 0,1,2,3, ... < 1627651083 297908 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is an optimal encoding if P(n) = 2^(-n) < 1627651270 424550 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when you count on fingers you do it < 1627651281 87160 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you use 10 fingers to count up to 10 < 1627651294 530992 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you are such a nerd I didn't see before < 1627651357 784285 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine hearing "only a few left, you can count them on your fingers" and thinking "1024?" < 1627651370 607087 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha < 1627651474 68128 :Noisytoot_!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1627651703 246872 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm < 1627651732 924727 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's hard to multiply or maybe divide numbers in head, so imagine working as a team < 1627651757 936639 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :where a team of 10 guys each remember several digits < 1627651760 39400 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1627651840 516250 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess an experienced team of 5 can calculate everything with enough precision to launch rockets < 1627652048 334254 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1627652048 334316 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1627652048 519063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1627652117 46367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1627652120 574757 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 JOIN #esolangs zegalch :The Lounge User < 1627652396 7204 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1627652414 14645 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1627652667 316100 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1627652686 14204 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1627652843 682739 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1627652872 760129 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1627653840 994275 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://twitter.com/tomo_/status/1402464791893975044 < 1627654240 67950 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1627655378 313435 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN #esolangs int-e :Bertram < 1627655593 276505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1627657229 212629 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I wonder how large a fraction of the viewers of https://xkcd.com/2496/ also went and solved it. Perhaps a pretty large one. < 1627657286 74588 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I certainly did < 1627657299 920685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was a little surprised it's uniquely solvable with just that information < 1627657406 879407 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I kind of assumed it would have been chosen to be. < 1627657407 771114 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :a1 a3 b3 d2? < 1627657587 370775 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think that's the solution I got? < 1627657602 958361 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not entirely sure of your notation < 1627657606 890588 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a minesweeper captcha? that's like the wiki's base 9 to base 10 radix conversion captcha, easier to solve with a computer than without < 1627657730 697543 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm bad at minesweeper... I think there's a unique solution, with four mines, all in the middle two rows < 1627657746 50558 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1627657773 998205 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing happens when I click < 1627657950 656312 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :puzzle is [2.1./..3./3.../.1.1] . the two fields on the top right must be clean, and the tile below the 2 must be a mine, just from the 2 and 1 in the top row, so it's like [2.1-/*.3-/3.../.1.1] where - means clean and * means mine. then < 1627657973 80184 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a chess notation < 1627657996 199005 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :from the top row 1 and the 3 below it, there must be two mines among the tree cells below the 3, and then because of the 1s in the bottom row, those can only be placed like [2.1-/*.3-/3*-*/-1-1]. < 1627658035 453162 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I now imagine an IRC minesweeper bot < 1627658067 338153 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and disarming mines collectively < 1627658087 808172 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :finally the 3 in the left needs two mines above it, and then the remaining cell in the first row must be clean: [2-1-/**3-/3*-*/-1-1] < 1627658143 503699 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: isn't a1 the bottom left cell? that seems different from what I said < 1627658153 672619 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was some website with a minesweeper captcha where you were given a solved board and have to click on the error < 1627658183 844384 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was quite fun < 1627658217 718717 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh indeed < 1627658223 260210 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: if I decode that correctly, that would be [2-1-/**3-/3--*/*1-1] but that is wrong because the middle 3 only has two mines around it < 1627658235 45253 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :a3 b3 b2 d2 < 1627658250 731827 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my legs and arms are flying over the minefield < 1627658255 938537 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds better < 1627658963 917345 :Noisytoot_!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot NICK :Noisytoot < 1627658964 619689 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus I'm reminded of SMBC's very different recent take on captchas\ < 1627660080 479985 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1627660138 252703 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1627660351 754176 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1627660430 622261 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86736&oldid=86710 5* 03Spargle 5* (+384) 10/* Ark: The esolang that is actually kind of useful. */ > 1627660765 760086 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Martsadas 5* 10New user account > 1627661150 522933 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86737&oldid=86678 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+212) 10 > 1627661195 725822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Martsadas14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86738 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+25) 10Created page with "Hello! I'm User:Martsadas" < 1627661841 198753 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas about the 'what is my IP' see what I've found -- the example snippet here https://cloud.google.com/build/docs/configuring-builds/use-community-and-custom-builders < 1627661924 728220 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh it's in json, not just a string < 1627661955 32211 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there are other routes on this server, didn't research < 1627662659 261227 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1627663510 472769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LOLSUS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86739 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+2486) 10Created page with "=== LOLSUS is an esolang created by [https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Martsadas User:Martsadas] ===

=== Valid Instructions : ===
'''Instructions that starts with..." < 1627665080 284161 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1627666226 683455 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I found a usable one earlier: http://ip6.me/ for the website and description, http://ip6.me/api/ for the machine-readable version < 1627666243 777002 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they have variants for in6 only, in4 only, and fallbacks both ways < 1627666268 58377 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm no, they don't have an in4 to in6 fallback actually < 1627666284 25876 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :still, they have an in4 only and an in6 only, at worst you send two queries < 1627666418 885235 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(they also have https versions) < 1627666548 709815 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For retrieving your IP address, there is: http://icanhazip.com/ only uses plain text; no HTML or anything like that is needed. (However, this might not work with version 6; I don't know, since I don't have version 6 internet) < 1627666673 327961 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: thanks, that does give me my ipv6 address < 1627666704 326744 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and an ipv4 address too, if I connect on ipv4 < 1627668082 704743 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1627668269 78648 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86740&oldid=86662 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+70) 10/* Parse this sic */ shorter one. Works. < 1627668538 68461 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1627668810 826238 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1627669184 566965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Backrooms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86741&oldid=86720 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+0) 10fix hello world 2 > 1627669246 648648 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Backrooms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86742&oldid=86741 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+4) 10/* Hello World 2 */ < 1627670163 589125 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why when using exiftool with the PNG output from Ghostscript, it says "Primary Platform : Apple Computer Inc." even though I am using Linux on a PC, and not Apple? < 1627670245 913824 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, how many years is a gigasecond? < 1627670246 316019 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: omg happy fnord kthxbye"? more like a schemematic for a single character... except for... something, and then calls the one it fnord) < 1627670307 30829 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1627670308 506175 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :31.7 years < 1627670320 380654 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had a celebration for my gigasecond < 1627670325 539108 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :my parents even sent me a card < 1627670473 233756 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nice > 1627670674 801965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86743&oldid=86729 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-72) 10/* V4 */ Fixed format of @ delimiter in examples < 1627671322 256931 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1627671342 243079 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1627671593 569927 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1627671611 257556 :impomatic!~impomatic@host31-50-85-5.range31-50.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1627671639 932273 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1627672139 323613 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Pineal Gland Optics < 1627675840 754383 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.60.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1627675983 83845 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627676248 299714 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1627677159 490937 :Koen__!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1627677162 288311 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1627679400 803623 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627679419 820834 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1627680594 206312 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ReadWrite14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86744 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+2400) 10Created page with "ReadWrite is an esoteric programming language written by [[User:Dominicentek]]. It only has 2 instructions. 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