< 1629245521 942208 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1629246454 682941 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my conclusion after spending several hours on trying to draw neat graphs of several thousand edges: 1. graphviz really sucks in layouting 2. wolfram layouts well but the console tool is a pain without a notebook 3. wolfram mathematica costs money < 1629246569 367522 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is also an option 4. wolfram cloud -- but I didn't try it, already very bored by trying to stylize the graph in terminal _<> < 1629246686 98208 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also thinking about IRC bot connected to Wolfram stuff for arbitrary purposes < 1629246774 533066 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the problem of REPL is you can't just run untrusted code on temporary machine, because you can activate the free license only on two machines < 1629246821 151472 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the most possible option I see is to compile functions and deploy on temp machines, should work on some ubuntu image I suppose < 1629246841 521295 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is also a Wolfram Cloud Functions but with quotas < 1629246894 112827 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wolfram Alpha is also quoted < 1629246907 480271 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but 200 requests per day is enough for fun < 1629246953 523968 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had Wolfram Alpha IRC bot many years ago, they even had a neat documentation < 1629247161 926555 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this all is no neat https://reference.wolfram.com/language/tutorial/GraphDrawing.html < 1629247891 346757 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:map(succ.maximum.zipWith(+)l.reverse)(tail.inits$l) in l < 1629247892 807131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,2... < 1629247910 574070 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm underwhelming < 1629247995 251340 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :except for the type checking on first try, that was neat. < 1629248058 869982 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh duh < 1629248099 48529 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :going to need the index anyhow < 1629248344 38524 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had wanted to draw a ZZT world map, which doesn't have several thousand edges, but probably not more than few hundred. However, in that case also is needed the direction (north, south, east, west), and then there will also be passages, too. Also some links might be different when going back the other way, and might need multiple pages. A similar thing can be applicable for text adventure games. < 1629248461 740932 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:[n+maximum(zipWith(+)l$reverse$take(n-1)l)|n<-[2..]] in l < 1629248463 814231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [0,2,5,9,14,20,27,35,44,54,65,77,90,104,119,135,152,170,189,209,230,252,275,... < 1629248489 943209 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm that's not what i calculated in my head < 1629248516 377921 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh duh < 1629248525 110751 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:[n+minimum(zipWith(+)l$reverse$take(n-1)l)|n<-[2..]] in l < 1629248526 918715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [0,2,5,8,12,16,20,24,29,34,39,44,49,54,59,64,70,76,82,88,94,100,106,112,118,... < 1629248541 430792 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that < 1629248545 353060 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :'s more like it < 1629248591 538044 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is the code I have: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/freezzt.ui/artifact/ceca87315080ce9a Maybe you know how to make it better; I don't know < 1629248602 308537 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@oeis 0,2,5,8,12,16,20,24,29,34,39,44,49,54,59,64,70,76,82,88,94,100,106,112,118 < 1629248602 735476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : https://oeis.org/A003314 Binary entropy function: a(1)=0; for n > 1, a(n) = ... < 1629248602 807949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [0,2,5,8,12,16,20,24,29,34,39,44,49,54,59,64,70,76,82,88,94,100,106,112,118,... < 1629248749 321253 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38 in mathematica you can only set the NSWE direction when plotting directed graphs < 1629248759 877222 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably the same in graphviz < 1629248800 446635 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you don't be able to tweak specific branches anyway, like putting one to the left, another one to the right > 1629248851 723119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87388&oldid=87387 5* 03Heptor 5* (+50) 10 < 1629248868 572223 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :graphviz is so kludgy, they provide the utility "unflatten" that creates fake nodes to make dot layouting less ugly < 1629248907 863296 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that function came up when i tried to find out if the two bisections algorithm i and nakilon suggested to b_jonas yesterday is optimal < 1629248910 176094 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would not want to use Mathematica < 1629248985 858634 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a measure of the optimal efficiency of a binary search tree < 1629248994 898863 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for n leaves) < 1629249108 334990 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it turns out that with a bit of balancing tweak, that is the efficiency of the double bisection search for n=3,4,5,7,9,10 files at least < 1629249139 678535 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :er wait was 9 included < 1629249276 678143 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1629249314 403403 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :6,8,9 are one off that function but still optimal for the problem i think < 1629249324 296717 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i haven't finished thinking about 11 yet. < 1629249530 135132 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:[n+minimum(zipWith(+)l$reverse$take(n-1)l)|n<-[2..]] in [l!!(n*(n-1)`div`2)|n<-[3..]] < 1629249536 140957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1629249539 563534 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hum < 1629249544 677762 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:[n+minimum(zipWith(+)l$reverse$take(n-1)l)|n<-[2..]] in [l!!(n*(n-1)`div`2)|n<-[3..11]] < 1629249546 647102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [8,20,39,64,100,142,195,258,328] < 1629249600 188514 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops off by one < 1629249626 391413 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:[n+minimum(zipWith(+)l$reverse$take(n-1)l)|n<-[2..]] in [l!!(n*(n-1)`div`2-1)|n<-[3..11]] < 1629249627 832752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [5,16,34,59,94,136,188,251,321] > 1629249728 668769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87389&oldid=87388 5* 03Heptor 5* (+11386) 10i gave up < 1629249800 428206 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@oeis 5,16,34,60,94,137,189,251 < 1629249800 758500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : Sequence not found. < 1629249804 620523 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :darn < 1629249856 955516 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@oeis 5,16,34,59,94,136,188,251,321 < 1629249857 280892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : Sequence not found. < 1629249910 715582 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe no one has considered that > 1629249939 898124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87390&oldid=87389 5* 03Heptor 5* (-11221) 10/* Implementations */ < 1629250000 608830 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did some contribution to OEIS < 1629250007 867199 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when was solving PE many years ago < 1629250033 848673 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've added a file with first numbers and something else < 1629250068 85264 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i did add a proof to OEIS once that i made after a discussion on SE code golf < 1629250080 889504 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that's my only contribution < 1629250121 869049 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't remember what sequence it was < 1629250182 419994 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://oeis.org/A181061 < 1629250206 871615 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there as Victor M < 1629250230 305351 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so table and a plot > 1629250246 867326 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ch44d14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87391 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+377) 10Hello! < 1629250302 564998 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ic < 1629250369 731615 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1629250378 996180 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i found it in my mailbox http://oeis.org/A187924 < 1629250554 860716 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh this random '7' in #293 29999999999997999999999999999999293 < 1629250878 259590 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :curious. a lot of the others have random 8s but those look too similar to 9s < 1629250912 259126 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah, didn't notice < 1629251010 133460 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think this happens because to get a number with the right digit sum as small as possible you want lots of 9s < 1629251066 55241 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and usually you just need to change a few to 8s to get it just right < 1629251084 554994 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but for that one number that didn't work somehow < 1629253337 920150 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: thanks (re bisecting for two changes) < 1629254320 175220 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is weird < 1629254465 568404 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :on this file http://sprunge.us/jGGXAz I do the $ tail -n +2 < file | jq . | less < 1629254506 733000 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I use / to search, and if you search for "61" you'll find many matches < 1629254527 900251 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if you search for "player" you'll find only one: "mounted_player_id": -1, < 1629254552 226917 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :while there is at least one more match: "player": { < 1629254645 547739 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> "player" < 1629254647 241729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : "player" < 1629254682 224757 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ENOSTRANGEUNICODE < 1629254700 369963 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> "ø" < 1629254701 793097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : "\248" < 1629254741 745204 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like it's some bug either in less or in it used with jq < 1629254772 718980 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahahhaa, no, nvm < 1629254791 783013 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :EOKAY < 1629254801 126831 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing is that the context around "mounted_player_id" is so similar that when I press 'n' and 'N' the screen does not change < 1629254808 632057 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I supposed there is no other match found < 1629254847 679598 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :time to sleep < 1629255095 923123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a(4649) = 9949859999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999... < 1629255101 930799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999994649 requires quite a lot of changes (mainly because 10^7 = 1 (mod 4649)) < 1629255178 779328 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for the same reason they're concentrated in the leading 7 digits of the number < 1629256083 527429 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that number has digit sum 4648, oops < 1629256186 176462 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, correction: a(4649) = 29289699999[500x9]999994649 > 1629258342 432416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dual tape14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87392 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+73) 10Claim page and add interpreter > 1629258397 399034 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ch44d14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87393&oldid=87391 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+20) 10add dual tape > 1629258884 389197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dual tape ez14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87394 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+76) 10Claim page and add interpreter > 1629258909 628053 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ch44d14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87395&oldid=87393 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+23) 10add dual tape ez < 1629260732 158947 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629260737 63508 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1629260771 414330 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1629260801 364818 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1629261069 839533 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :looking at today's girl genius, i cannot help guessing who this is https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20030604 https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040908 < 1629261102 781270 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( it's either that, or othar. ) < 1629261455 621889 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ^ < 1629261457 571331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they have not even published today's GG properly yet < 1629261461 78990 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf :P < 1629261466 851376 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1629261469 285857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Yes I know I can edit the URL) < 1629261482 406849 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :er i didn't link today's. < 1629261513 413249 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh. < 1629261533 300653 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i don't know what you mean i clicked my usual link to go there and it worked. < 1629261567 422009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I go to my bookmark and check the '>' link < 1629261754 751111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which apparently is lagging behind the "today's comic" stuff. weird < 1629261767 725944 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1629262199 54313 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1629262374 537944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629262490 941979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629265100 215221 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there should be a pastebin for colorized text < 1629265125 119990 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I always install the colorised log plugin to Jenkins < 1629265150 616895 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish I paste text that has been formatted with colors or boldness < 1629265161 507969 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :* I wish I could < 1629265265 572970 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually maybe some pastebins accept standard terminal colors via API < 1629265290 469539 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it would be possible to make some proxy website, maybe even in pure JS < 1629267632 263625 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1629268117 503664 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629268225 92176 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1629268663 349568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629269636 216807 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kGuN8WIGNc at some point in history for no reason at all, someone flipped all the letters < 1629270122 94968 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool visualisation < 1629270255 547065 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629270280 638117 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1629270328 532727 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1629273925 640711 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629274120 635523 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629275741 80293 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1629280381 526058 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Pineal Gland Optics > 1629282222 283901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pefunge14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87396 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+301) 10add later document later > 1629282248 885843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pefunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87397&oldid=87396 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+41) 10 > 1629282259 819394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pefunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87398&oldid=87397 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+1) 10 < 1629282355 139787 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1629282777 692465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pefunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87399&oldid=87398 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+289) 10Can anyone help me translate blogs < 1629283307 636073 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629284441 614041 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kGuN8WIGNc at some point in history for no reason at all, someone flipped all the letters – I’m pretty sure the reason for that was that during the transition from writing RTL to writing LTR they always kept the letters facing in the direction of writing. < 1629284692 961602 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :(IIRC at some point sometimes they’d write switching direction every line (boustrophedon), so that you didn’t have to scan back to get to the start of the next line, and in that case also the letters would face in the direction of writing for each individual line.) < 1629284841 814265 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629284852 668483 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629286151 61221 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1629286942 29029 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine writing books in befunge in all 4 letters < 1629287022 109366 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and sometimes executing "p" command to fill the gaps for future plot twists and past misteries > 1629292449 132669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pefunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87400&oldid=87399 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Links */ Cat < 1629293759 527781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1629294152 286128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dual tape14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87401&oldid=87392 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10Cats > 1629294214 965951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dual tape ez14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87402&oldid=87394 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10Cat > 1629294359 92105 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87403&oldid=87299 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+79) 10Add 5 languages > 1629294460 568783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* 10moved [[02Esolang:Gdelfuck10]] to [[Gdelfuck]]: Remove NS > 1629294460 600758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* 10moved [[02Esolang talk:Gdelfuck10]] to [[Talk:Gdelfuck]]: Remove NS < 1629295045 623157 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1629295052 533765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ZZZ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87408&oldid=41112 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10Link to seemingly broken compiler (still better than nothing) < 1629295138 633456 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629296655 37511 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Melvar: that seems to happen only some of the time. almost all Chinese and Japanese characters are written exactly the same orientation whether it's written left to right or right to left, horizontally or vertically. I believe the only counterexamples are some punctuation like dot and comma and parenthesis and quotation signs, as well as a few that change in horizontal vs vertical orientation but don't < 1629296661 101046 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :flip, namely the dakuten and possibly the Japanese vertical repeat mark < 1629296699 742482 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no style of digits flip in left to right latin/cyrillic text versus right to left hebrew/arabic/persian text < 1629296755 73047 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :some punctuation like parenthesis and question mark do sometimes flip between these, but they are also used differently in different languages < 1629296763 419023 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I was replying here to the video which is about the development of the Latin alphabet – this flipping happed specifically in one of its precursors. < 1629296841 229287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, it is true that boustrophedon inscriptions in phoenician script did flip letters, see eg. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki?curid=66649930 < 1629296864 955418 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but wasn't Phoenician written left to right from the start, when it wasn't boustrophedon? < 1629296920 609686 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :here'sa better flipping boustrophedon example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gortys_law_inscription.jpg < 1629296920 881813 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wikipedia says Phoenician was RTL. < 1629296931 551940 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one is actually in greek script < 1629297075 356782 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, it looks like you're right, phoenician was written right to left, and later flipped to greek < 1629297091 6906 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, my understanding is Phoenician started mostly RTL, some boustrophedon, then when Greeks adapted their alphabet, they also used boustrophedon in stone inscriptions, but eventually settled into using mostly LTR as time went on, which resulted in the final form of the letters being flipped from how they started out in Phoenician. < 1629297124 255276 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this wasn't obvious to me because I know very little about phoenician, other than through how the greek and hebrew scripts were developed from it (arabic/persian was too, but I know very little about that) < 1629297133 753919 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm does this have to do with engraving script in stone? < 1629297188 427814 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I don't really know, but I don't see why engraving in stone vs slate or pottery would make a difference < 1629297203 383768 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well ok, that's not true < 1629297219 563764 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can write into slate fast enough that it matters that you cover the letters with your hand < 1629297220 521285 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm picturing chisel and hammer, so the writing hand becomes the left one < 1629297231 416963 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no clue as to the pressures of stone inscription specifically, except for an unsubstantiated claim I heard once that a right-handed person has an easier time carving RTL. < 1629297275 437450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And you're probably better off working towards the blank end... so swinging from the right means pushing to the left is preferable? I don't know, obviously. < 1629297306 722359 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which like, makes some amount of sense, exactly that way, but no citation attached.) < 1629297421 1258 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Whereas writing in ink I would guess that, well, writing LTR with your right hand keeps your hand from smudging what you just wrote.) < 1629297466 556995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, LTR or TTB make for ink < 1629297492 713389 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh by the way, as for ancient stuff. did you know that historically lions lived in southern europe, present turkey, the middle east, some of north africa, and india, but later got driven out from most of those places by humans? so ancient rome actually experienced lions first hand a lot, which is how they managed to spread the completely misguided idea that the lion is the king of the animals, which < 1629297498 684689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then got into children's fables. it's a pity, because the tiger is a much more worthy candidate for the same slot, only the ancient romans didn't meet tigers much, they only heard about them like many of those mythical beasts like phoenixes and elephants < 1629297672 137146 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically people kept believing the misguided ideas of ancient philosophers like Aristotle and Pliny the Elder up until the enlightenment, and I don't know who established the lion as the king of the animals, but that false idea got into the culture < 1629297694 809391 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Lionking movie should be based on tigers, not lions < 1629297707 232818 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so do a large number of fables about animals < 1629297717 139133 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I’ve heard the amaZulu also consider the lion to be king, which is kind of relevant to Lion King. < 1629297722 532972 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the sayings about lion's dens with footprints going in but not out < 1629297750 445942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Melvar: isn't that also because they weren't exposed to tigers, since tigers only lived in east Asia? < 1629297751 776372 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hear that some languages around that time confused cats and dogs, even; our modern taxonomy didn't exist back then. < 1629297765 773964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about lion-eating poets though < 1629297794 322902 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, I presume they were not exposed to tigers either, yes. < 1629300176 561299 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1629300203 634230 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629300639 417959 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1242 < 1629300642 802083 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1242.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1629302214 855964 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629305911 557797 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1629306316 326945 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629306477 566201 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629306507 86551 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629306612 549768 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629306628 981823 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629306774 390356 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629306825 527991 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629306956 379516 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629306982 917016 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629307213 345804 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629311784 912094 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629313659 723485 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit > 1629315537 345077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07K14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87409&oldid=51812 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2) 10Improve disambiguation text; link to WP's article. This mirrors the link atop [[Q]]. < 1629315610 352051 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629315726 336951 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629315910 749359 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ugh, I'm starting to think esoterically. I'm thinking about how to define Boolean algebras, and it's very tempting to try to use just NAND since it's a universal basis. < 1629315947 655254 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not bad, exactly, but I know that I'll just eventually define a richer basis later for speed. Maybe this is one of those "premature optimization" situations of which the legends speak. < 1629316074 337945 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh hey, WP's already got the entire discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_axioms_for_Boolean_algebra < 1629316466 937685 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :definitely use NAND < 1629316501 699245 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :those axioms are really interesting < 1629316512 438451 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the robbins one was unproved until computers did it < 1629317124 521447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1629317507 239670 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629317543 638282 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629317985 652861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the romans were definitely exposed to elephants. rather brutally so. see: punic wars. < 1629318056 112236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(wikipedia has had a lot of punic war articles featured lately) < 1629318106 751809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :by phonecians, no less < 1629318119 686853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :argh < 1629318136 85738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*oe < 1629319043 766552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, that wikipedia logic article cites wolfram < 1629320023 493657 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: yeah, elephant is probably a bad example < 1629320194 601076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i found the basis sizes given in that article so inconsistent that I made a talk page comment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Minimal_axioms_for_Boolean_algebra#1-basis_or_2-basis? < 1629320240 280833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(hm some of your browser might leave out the final ? i guess) < 1629320242 488895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*+s > 1629330645 392014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ch44d14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87410&oldid=87395 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+21) 10add category < 1629331163 528480 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Pineal Gland Optics