< 1629421910 606584 :src!~src@user/src QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1629425220 115702 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scroll14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87436 5* 03WreckingGames 5* (+1068) 10Created page with "'''Scroll''' is an esolang created by [[User|WreckingGames]]. it was made for no reason. it uses a string for data. == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! Command !! Ac..." < 1629426991 102476 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: TIL about "primitive recursive functionals". The strength of many systems that I'd thought was PR-complete is actually something a little better. The Complexity Zoo doesn't appear to have an entry for this class, and I don't know what its standard name is. < 1629427009 349735 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll add this information to the wiki as soon as I understand it and have good sources to cite. < 1629428896 976298 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629428977 967566 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629428997 17863 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1629429241 51973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87437&oldid=87433 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+88) 10/* Hello World */ > 1629429343 688680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87438&oldid=87437 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* 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:impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629444931 764286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629446736 632819 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629446883 630090 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1629448212 673811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gammaplex14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87452&oldid=12486 5* 03Ais523 5* (+13) 10/* External resources */ update the Esoteric File Archive link to a mirror that works (the original has been dead for a while now) < 1629449527 77588 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1629449789 545741 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1629450905 212906 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish there was a git blame for wiki articles < 1629451185 552078 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this thing kinda solved what I needed https://webapps.stackexchange.com/a/35914/4432 < 1629451202 50885 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you enter the substring and it has found where it was added < 1629453456 413613 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just realised that my PCBR thing is similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topological_sorting in the way that 1. it gives an assumption that item1 > item2 even if those particular items could not be compared to each other < 1629453507 804565 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and 2. that the exact outpur is not fully determined, and in case of PCBR it's a sorted list of unsorted sublists < 1629453557 335244 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the more data you provide the smaller the sublists so the sorting ("ranking" in terms of the PCBR name) is more precise < 1629453617 534812 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also because of that the exact output per-sublist items order is defined by input order < 1629453966 370543 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629456009 873929 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually I have a feeling that PCBR is effectively the same as topological sorting but it does not need a graph as input -- it builds it implicitely by doing the O(n^n) comparisons < 1629456230 627662 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if they appear to be the same thing then the whole concept evolves to a statement that "topological sorting is just a way to sort barealy comparable things resistant to space deformations" < 1629456254 74396 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that might be probably already said by someone somewhere < 1629457660 523274 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1629458062 484117 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, unlike classical topo sort the PCBR allows disconnected components < 1629460287 636701 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629460418 308718 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: are primitive recursive functionals really more powerful than PR? < 1629460507 897476 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh looks like there may be something on the talk page regarding this under §higher-type computability < 1629460819 786380 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :"A primitive functional of type 1→1 does not just take primitive recursive functionals as arguments." > 1629463090 779095 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Extramoose 5* 10New user account > 1629463439 778639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Danielle 5* 10New user account > 1629463989 716866 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87453&oldid=87411 5* 03Danielle 5* (+447) 10 < 1629464250 744660 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629464937 625888 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:9d8f:ef44:726d:44f2 JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1629465054 303662 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629465192 910855 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif: I'm still doing research, but it is claimed that the Ackermann function is a member of one of these higher types. This would indeed make it more powerful than primitive recursion. < 1629465269 720816 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah i see < 1629468800 626952 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629469221 299773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629470237 85502 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1629470597 416355 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629470620 232793 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629470868 971008 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629470886 702602 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629470891 32719 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629471805 926279 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:impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629478284 913150 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629480380 634467 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629481084 531518 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought to use topological sorting for fossil too, where cards that reference other artifacts will be the edges (to make a cycle would require attacking MD5 and SHA-1 at the same time), and using the D cards as the secondary sorting (with some kind of third (and possibly also fourth) sorting if the D cards are the same or are absent). < 1629482964 303477 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode > 1629483614 706735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blarb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87454&oldid=79809 5* 03Elimirks 5* (+8130) 10Import the contents of the readme < 1629485696 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1629497095 312105 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i did not know about unicode Tag sequences < 1629497816 778080 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1629500952 330785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROM HERE TO THERE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87456&oldid=87455 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-172) 10/* Computational class */ Unknown < 1629502228 792746 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:1d3f:e608:d1ad:6d58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1629502963 714900 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6057:8486:da6d:d017 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1629503246 699913 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6057:8486:da6d:d017 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629503679 621850 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6057:8486:da6d:d017 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1629503706 298033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen