00:00:00 <oerjan> i was briefly considering just splitting A-M and N-~
00:01:06 <oerjan> 27 pages seems excessive to start with
00:02:07 <ais523> splitting it in half is probably enough for now, but maybe we'll want to split it more later
00:02:11 <ais523> do you want to split it, or shall I?
00:02:46 <ais523> I guess I'll do it
00:03:40 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Ais523 *  moved [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] to [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)]]: this has outgrown a single page
00:04:44 <b_jonas> ais523: I suggested splitting to 5 pages
00:05:11 <b_jonas> if we just split it in two, we'll split it again later and we'll get another set of broken links
00:06:17 <esolangs> [[Editing Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87572 * Ais523 * (+90766) split from [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)]]
00:07:28 <b_jonas> ais523: "Editing" in the title
00:07:30 <esolangs> [[Editing Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87573&oldid=87572 * Ais523 * (+270) introduction
00:08:35 <oerjan> maybe that's on purpose?
00:08:52 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87574&oldid=87570 * Ais523 * (-90581) half this page has been moved to another page
00:08:57 <ais523> oh, it isn't
00:09:04 <b_jonas> oerjan: I don't think so, it's probably bad copy-paste from the title 
00:09:17 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Ais523 *  moved [[Editing Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)]] to [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)]]: typo in name
00:11:13 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87576&oldid=87571 * Ais523 * (+160) an intro page that links to the two parts that the list has been split into
00:11:42 <ais523> this will do for now, I think
00:11:54 <ais523> and it'll generalise to more sections if we need to split the page up more later
00:11:57 <oerjan> thanks
00:12:57 <ais523> IIRC the recommended maximum page size is 32KiB, and both halves are around three times that at the moment, so maybe splitting it up still further would be a good idea, but that can wait I think
00:14:07 <ais523> I'm surprised by how evenly the esolangs seem to be distributed among the alphabet
00:14:17 <ais523> most alphabetical lists of things have a bias towards the start of the alphabet
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01:18:57 <oerjan> argh suddenly i realized why b_jonas was right to worry about broken links
01:19:36 <oerjan> all the sectioned ones. and there's just no way we can keep those from outside the wiki working, is there...
01:19:51 <oerjan> assuming there are any.
01:20:21 <oerjan> *those with section anchors
01:23:55 <zzo38> Well, if it contains other links and it is clear from the anchor name where to find it, then the user should be able to figure out what to do, I suppose
01:30:24 <oerjan> zzo38: i'm pretty many users are not that intelligent and i am not patient enough not to be annoyed by such a thing
01:30:30 <oerjan> *pretty sure
01:31:52 <oerjan> (ok right now i'm worked up and therefore not patient at all. time to calm down...)
01:44:01 <zzo38> Well, hopefully if there are any such links they will be fixed; if not, then the user figuring it out from what is written on there will have to do.
02:18:23 <ais523> in theory we could come up with some piece of complicated JavaScript that looks to see if someone visits the intro page via a section link, and automatically jumps to the appropriate page
02:18:35 <ais523> but, I'm not in the right state of mind to write it right now
02:30:53 <oerjan> ooh
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04:49:23 <esolangs> [[Mogus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87578&oldid=87577 * TriMill * (-12) Fixed a few mistakes in the examples, changed my attribution to my wiki account
06:04:21 <nakilon> the broken links problem might need to replace the current page with one that just says "hey, the page was splitted, look for your lang somewhere there"
06:04:30 <nakilon> idk
06:05:10 <nakilon> there is the problem with rosettacode -- instead of putting snippets in every lang dedicated page they put all on one page and it burns CPU like mad
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07:59:17 <b_jonas> oerjan: well, we can have a table of contents on the original page; except since ais moved that, short links like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page?curid=1322 are already broken
08:00:19 <b_jonas> those will point to the @-M version
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12:07:47 <wib_jonas> I just realized, my full backup script "http://www.perlmonks.com/index.pl?node_id=922051" , which I'm still using today, is 10 years old since publication. I'll be using it soon to make a full backup before I update the debian version.
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13:38:21 <nakilon> half of the job is done https://imgur.com/a/2X4sFFr now need to add textarea for stdin and render the annotated output somehow that is another fight with CSS _<>
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16:06:17 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Jnavb *  New user account
16:10:58 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87579&oldid=87505 * Jnavb * (+171) /* Introductions */
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16:54:25 <nakilon> hmmm in Ruby if you do a,b=[1,2] it results in a=1, b = 2; if you do a,b=3 it results in a=3,b=nil
16:54:42 <nakilon> I can't find how to do the same in JS https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Destructuring_assignment
16:55:22 <nakilon> in my annotated log each stack item is either a number or [number, annotation]
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17:35:29 <nakilon> I suppose this looks fine enough https://i.imgur.com/c7Funvz.png
17:36:07 <nakilon> looks a bit awkward that widths are different but if I equalise them the whole stack will become needlessly wide
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18:11:13 <nakilon> would be cool if I hover mouse over log line and it highlights the code... but I'll leave it for later
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18:31:38 <esolangs> [[Minim]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87581&oldid=87580 * KakkoiiChris * (+8) /* String Cast (xs) */ Fixed typo
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23:04:21 <oerjan> <nakilon> the broken links problem might need to replace the current page with one that just says "hey, the page was splitted, look for your lang somewhere there" <-- well yeah, that's what ais523 already did essentially
23:04:57 <oerjan> i just got a bit obsessive thinking about it yesterday.
23:07:27 <oerjan> b_jonas: in other obsessive thinking, i've kept wondering a bit about your "find two files that break merging" problem.  last i spoke about it i'd confirmed that double bisection (with careful balancing) is optional up to 10 files. however then it stopped being obvious. now i've found a corner case where a different algorithm usually handles _better_ than double bisection, in fact it achieves the 
23:07:33 <oerjan> theoretical limit of that OEIS function i linked.
23:07:41 <oerjan> *is optimal up to 10 files
23:08:56 <oerjan> with that, i've shown that 11, 12, 13 and 15 optimal searches that are _not_ double bisections. (for 14 double bisection gives the OEIS optimum.)
23:09:22 <oerjan> 16 seems to require analyzing a different more complicated corner case which i haven't finished.
23:11:50 <oerjan> the corner case i've found is where you've done the initial bisection down to 3 files (so one of those must be a target file) out of n. continuing with the double bisection is then only optimal if n is 2^k+{1,2}.
23:14:17 <oerjan> (if you get down to 2 / 4 files in contrast, double bisection is always / usually optimal.)
23:18:12 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87589&oldid=70256 * Salpynx * (+23) Add category Languages.
23:18:25 <oerjan> hm b_jonas probably isn't here. i guess i should stop monologuing until he is.
23:26:09 <oerjan> <b_jonas> oerjan: well, we can have a table of contents on the original page; except since ais moved that, short links like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page?curid=1322 are already broken <-- i don't think i'm going to worry about link formats which only experts know about.
23:30:14 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87590&oldid=87586 * Salpynx * (+121) /* Mycelium Hello, World! */
23:40:03 <esolangs> [[English]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87591&oldid=87584 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) /* 99 Bottles of Beer */ Overflow scroll