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< 1630113433 895732 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, I guess the minlen=2 isn't enough https://i.imgur.com/L5T53Pa.png here the edge "torch"-"plank" should have the length of 3 to make the "denaturated alcohol" hit somewhere higher thank "plank" -- that means the minlen should be increases recursively
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> 1630118208 257622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rjcodesandtech 5*  10New user account
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> 1630122333 636498 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wheel14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87660 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+61) 10Created page with "[[File:wheeee.png|thumb|Logo by [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] ]]"
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< 1630157608 740310 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\help
< 1630157608 850773 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :available commands: ["rasel", "morse", "demorse"]; usage help: \help <cmd>
< 1630158370 788899 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv the name reminded me the 25% free space in .BMP files
> 1630158674 690494 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velik14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87682&oldid=85673 5* 03Nakilon 5* (-72) 10disabled \ruby until I find a proper way to protect it from issuing an outgoing network requests
< 1630158882 95935 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aw. Another esolangs.org registration email got rejected as spam. :/
< 1630159061 124234 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs ::/
< 1630159072 356751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm... it has no spf txt record, that might be an issue these days
< 1630159125 824466 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, maybe. I did the whole DMARC, DKIM, SPF set for my own domain (zem.fi), maybe I should try to replicate that for esolangs.org too.
> 1630159184 200843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velik14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87683&oldid=87682 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+26) 10corrected [wiki] syntax explanation -- it uses \s+, not :
< 1630159234 700456 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also a support link in this rejection email that leads to a form that lets you claim it's not spam (and say approximately how many emails a month you expect to send), not sure if that's worth filling.
< 1630159246 477623 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Or at least that's what I think it was all about based on Google Translate.)
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< 1630160591 344079 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie looks like you stopped posting to your blog after getting the current job
< 1630160711 732220 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pretty much, yes. Every now and then I think "hmm, maybe I should write up something in there", but the longer it's been, the sillier it seems to restart.
< 1630161305 219172 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the recursively increased [minlen] untangled almost everything https://i.imgur.com/WhNP4tx.png -- now it's mostly only dot's fault of chosing the wrong nodes order within the layer; but the tool `unflatten` that is supposed to fix it only messes even more now
< 1630161422 662172 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably I can release a "dot prettifier" tool that would do the minlen hack and merge similar nodes as I also did here (nodes that have the same list of parents and children get merges with labels joined with \n)
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> 1630175574 244971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Do-if14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87707 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+276) 10Created page with "Do-if is an esolang created by [[User:Martsadas]] which uses do-if and do-while  PRINT {'Hello, World!\n'}  let $X = 0 do   PRINT {'Hello world ', $X, '!\n"} while $X < 10  le..."
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< 1630185147 197387 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are Lisp and PostScript the most homoiconic programming languages?
< 1630185508 449983 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :tcl and prolog too
< 1630185783 74309 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK. I don't know much about them, but maybe it is
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< 1630186509 499554 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: How would we measure it? Normally homoiconicity is talked about as a binary property. I'm not opposed to the idea, but not sure how you're doing it.
< 1630186595 738496 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: I am not really sure, although considering that there are many different things that different programming languages do, certainly they are not the same, whether you say they are homoiconic or not.
< 1630186691 667225 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: By "binary property" I mean that "is a language homoiconic" is similar to "can a language be parsed by a context-free grammar"; the answer shouldn't be on a scale, just a yes or no. But I'm very open to the discussion.
< 1630186990 513259 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :One thing to start with is to have a definition which you ca be sure to apply that you can determine which programming language is and isn't. (Actually, even if the case of context-free grammer, there is cases of preprocessors which might tarnsform the code into one that is even if the original one isn't, or where a meaningless superset is parseable by a context-free grammar and then you can easily exclude the ones that don't work)
< 1630187357 571651 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :We can make it rigorous by appealing to computational complexity theory and talking about "reductions", but that's a lot of effort. Maybe there's example languages which are "more" and "less" homoiconic?
< 1630187731 557804 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes it would be a lot of effort, although if you did that then perhaps it would be a binary property. Wikipedia gives examples of homoiconic programming languages including Lisp, Prolog, and Rebol. PostScript is not listed, even though some programmers consider it to be so.
< 1630187858 898862 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wikipedia does list XSLT. I know that XSLT is XML-based and operates on XML, but I don't know if XSLT has a command to execute a XML data that it has manipulated as a XSLT program.
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< 1630189274 550099 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In PostScript, tokens are objects (the exception is the "immediately evaluated name" token, which is variable), and objects are executable, as well as being usable as data. Executing a procedure is just executing each one in sequence.
< 1630189801 77575 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's worth noting that some languages, like Julia and E, have a sort of forced homoiconicity; the languages have a bunch of primitive types, and that includes an entire type just for ASTs.
< 1630189830 601727 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is to be contrasted with the "natural" usage of pairs in Lisp, I guess.
< 1630190016 148448 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, that is one difference of some programming language.
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