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Another esolangs.org registration email got rejected as spam. :/ 13:57:41 :/ 13:57:52 hmmm... it has no spf txt record, that might be an issue these days 13:58:45 Yeah, maybe. I did the whole DMARC, DKIM, SPF set for my own domain (zem.fi), maybe I should try to replicate that for esolangs.org too. 13:59:44 [[Velik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87683&oldid=87682 * Nakilon * (+26) corrected [wiki] syntax explanation -- it uses \s+, not : 14:00:34 There's also a support link in this rejection email that leads to a form that lets you claim it's not spam (and say approximately how many emails a month you expect to send), not sure if that's worth filling. 14:00:46 (Or at least that's what I think it was all about based on Google Translate.) 14:04:32 [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87684&oldid=83751 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+4) "" 14:07:29 -!- APic has joined. 14:22:01 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 14:23:11 fizzie looks like you stopped posting to your blog after getting the current job 14:25:11 Pretty much, yes. Every now and then I think "hmm, maybe I should write up something in there", but the longer it's been, the sillier it seems to restart. 14:35:05 the recursively increased [minlen] untangled almost everything https://i.imgur.com/WhNP4tx.png -- now it's mostly only dot's fault of chosing the wrong nodes order within the layer; but the tool `unflatten` that is supposed to fix it only messes even more now 14:37:02 probably I can release a "dot prettifier" tool that would do the minlen hack and merge similar nodes as I also did here (nodes that have the same list of parents and children get merges with labels joined with \n) 14:50:02 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:26:22 [[Wheel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87685&oldid=87681 * PixelatedStarfish * (+6) /* Grammar in EBNF */ 15:50:08 [[Wheel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87686&oldid=87685 * PixelatedStarfish * (+585) /* Random Number (0-9) */ 15:52:05 [[Wheel]] 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10 le..." 18:33:42 -!- Koen_ has joined. 18:36:00 -!- dyeplexer has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:39:07 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87708&oldid=87634 * Fmbalbuena * (+97) 18:41:02 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87709&oldid=87708 * Fmbalbuena * (+17) 18:41:43 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87710&oldid=87709 * Fmbalbuena * (+2) 18:41:59 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:42:40 [[User:Fmbalbuena]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87711 * Fmbalbuena * (+3) Created page with "Hi!" 19:01:33 [[Heck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87712&oldid=87186 * PixelatedStarfish * (+10) 19:27:21 -!- arseniiv has joined. 19:34:36 -!- Trieste_ has changed nick to Trieste. 19:56:16 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 19:57:37 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 20:01:07 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 20:07:45 -!- APic has joined. 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I don't know much about them, but maybe it is 21:28:21 -!- mnrmnaugh has joined. 21:30:08 -!- mnrmnaugh has left. 21:35:09 zzo38: How would we measure it? Normally homoiconicity is talked about as a binary property. I'm not opposed to the idea, but not sure how you're doing it. 21:36:35 Corbin: I am not really sure, although considering that there are many different things that different programming languages do, certainly they are not the same, whether you say they are homoiconic or not. 21:38:11 zzo38: By "binary property" I mean that "is a language homoiconic" is similar to "can a language be parsed by a context-free grammar"; the answer shouldn't be on a scale, just a yes or no. But I'm very open to the discussion. 21:43:10 One thing to start with is to have a definition which you ca be sure to apply that you can determine which programming language is and isn't. (Actually, even if the case of context-free grammer, there is cases of preprocessors which might tarnsform the code into one that is even if the original one isn't, or where a meaningless superset is parseable by a context-free grammar and then you can easily exclude the ones that don't work) 21:49:17 We can make it rigorous by appealing to computational complexity theory and talking about "reductions", but that's a lot of effort. Maybe there's example languages which are "more" and "less" homoiconic? 21:55:31 Yes it would be a lot of effort, although if you did that then perhaps it would be a binary property. Wikipedia gives examples of homoiconic programming languages including Lisp, Prolog, and Rebol. PostScript is not listed, even though some programmers consider it to be so. 21:57:38 Wikipedia does list XSLT. I know that XSLT is XML-based and operates on XML, but I don't know if XSLT has a command to execute a XML data that it has manipulated as a XSLT program. 22:13:07 -!- immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:13:43 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:21:14 In PostScript, tokens are objects (the exception is the "immediately evaluated name" token, which is variable), and objects are executable, as well as being usable as data. Executing a procedure is just executing each one in sequence. 22:30:01 I think it's worth noting that some languages, like Julia and E, have a sort of forced homoiconicity; the languages have a bunch of primitive types, and that includes an entire type just for ASTs. 22:30:30 This is to be contrasted with the "natural" usage of pairs in Lisp, I guess. 22:33:36 Yes, that is one difference of some programming language. 22:54:28 -!- delta23 has joined. 22:59:24 [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87714&oldid=87713 * PixelatedStarfish * (-42) /* Plans */ 23:00:07 [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87715&oldid=87714 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) /* Plans */ 23:08:56 -!- earendel has joined. 23:36:36 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87716&oldid=87651 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+12) /* W */ Wheel 23:37:19 -!- dnm has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:43:09 -!- dnm has joined. 23:47:07 -!- integral has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:48:02 -!- integral has joined.