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< 1630379743 92809 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does "C	Part of cycle" mean at https://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoInterpreters ?
< 1630379857 139455 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :it means that in the directed graph of languages which can interpret other languages, the language is part of a cycle
< 1630379880 658362 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :bub can do brainfuck, bf can do bub
< 1630379903 173429 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which is the only example?)
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< 1630380275 663162 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've just realised that I don't need two growing stacks to interpret brainfuck because I can store [] stacks within the same stack of bf code so I might finally make it in rasel
< 1630380341 593607 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo indeed, only once use of C
< 1630380980 977702 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*one
> 1630382994 798012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87862&oldid=87740 5* 03Ais523 5* (-1) 10/* Computational class */ this isn't actually a list at all, so it probably shouldn't have commas (and if it does they should come in pairs to offset a parenthetical)
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< 1630386946 313045 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, nope, the second stack was bf's tape; anyway, I can store bf code in every 2i cell and bf tape in every 2i+1
< 1630387823 574569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :if your "stack" actually has random access you only need one indeed
< 1630389477 546616 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :since there is no argv in rasel and so there is only one kind of getc I suppose I have to define an format
< 1630389509 494327 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :such as "brainfuck code should end with 0x00 and then goes the bf stdin"
< 1630389876 224273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is somewhat customary to use ! as the separator
< 1630389899 240809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although technically that's a legal comment character (but then so is 0x00)
< 1630389932 110180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well at least several of our bots use it
< 1630389942 816922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@bf ,[.,]!test
< 1630389942 890584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : Done.
< 1630389953 703401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm apparently lambdabot doesn't
< 1630389970 247831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@help bf
< 1630389970 333221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :bf <expr>. Evaluate a brainf*ck expression
< 1630389998 467412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :which means it might not be able to do input
< 1630390017 642420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@bf ,[.,]]another logical option
< 1630390017 714568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : Done.
< 1630390021 405795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nope
< 1630390866 18534 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm thinking now about the difference between the "translator" and "interpreter"; I already made the translator few months ago -- it kind of reformats the bf code into rasel 2d code and then you can run it with any existing interpreter of rasel; in case of making an interpreter now the rasel code won't be generated per bf program and it will act
< 1630390866 65559 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :depending on the input bf code; i.e. there is no "snapshot" state then you run after it's generated -- you might think that there is a definition of the difference between translator and intpreter here somewhere; but! since "there is no argv" and that my "bf rasel interpreter" will have to preload all the bf code before execution it's technically
< 1630390866 65588 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :possible to "save the state" after the preloading and before the running and export it as a rasel code that would artificially fill the stack with bf code and then the "interpreter" to be appended
< 1630390960 613057 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if you save the interpreter state in a special (pure rasel code) format it would be effectively the same as translating
< 1630391258 275931 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or is the difference between translator and interpreter in that translator does not reformat the original language code stream? but then ok, if I reformat the bf code stream into a chain of razel base36 literals you may say that's where the "translation" was, at least partically; but what if I use the stringmode ("") instructions to preserve the
< 1630391258 325286 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :original bf code?..
< 1630391516 180915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i think you've just proved that there is no firm boundary. some interpreters will compile (translate) on the fly, and some languages (i think perl?) allow you to save the current state of the runtime after things like parsing for quicker startup.
< 1630391537 370472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*some language runtimes
< 1630391649 647373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :so in the right context, an interpreter can be turned into a compiler or vice versa.
< 1630392592 870472 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: sure, but if you have a hard to program language like rasel, then there is a difference between eg. a bf interpreter written in pure rasel, one that reads the bf code with the rasel IO and needs nothing but rasel to run it, and a translator that translates bf code to rasel code and possibly input to that code
< 1630392601 306515 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/difference/firm boundary/
< 1630392627 782227 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, maybe in this exact case the differenve between the existing "bf to rasel translator" and the future "interpreter" is in that the translator had to be written in ruby, not in pure rasel and the interpreter would be a thing that does not need any additional ruby code
< 1630392651 235194 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is most obvious if you think of a bf to bf translator versus a bf interpreter in bf
< 1630392807 379537 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the "difference between translator and interpreter" is just a different question from the "difference between these two I'm making"
< 1630392849 641470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah if you think of it as a bootstrapping problem then it's a firmer distinction
< 1630392863 614096 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because theorethically I can make a translator from bf to rasel in pure rasel
< 1630392899 522039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: of course the bootstrapping way is to translate the translator
< 1630392925 251147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :after which you can throw away the non-rasel stuff
< 1630392975 988645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then it has to translate its own language
< 1630393068 211768 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.gifer.com/origin/4c/4c9aa95eab8893f208b8406e103a3fed.gif
< 1630393600 46086 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol I never checked out the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYJ1dbyDcrI
< 1630393690 837864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: this _shouldn't_ be mindblowing, it's essentially how something like gcc or clang gets ported to a new computer architecture - you add a new backend that allows it to translate itself to the new machine code
< 1630393939 839878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(ok i guess everything can be mindblowing the first time)
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< 1630394313 684720 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :admittedly rasel isn't as limited as brainfuck, so it's easier to write an interpreter in rasel than in bf
< 1630394475 627904 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: that gcc thing skims over a lot of real world technical problems that come up when you do that, but sure
< 1630394558 542128 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :by implementing rasel in rasel I would be able to "throw away" the ruby gem rasel but not the ruby runtime though
< 1630394588 697225 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, that won't even be enough
< 1630394733 697827 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's more layers that just gcc/clang thing
< 1630394763 264966 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if ruby was compilable
< 1630396712 256380 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :found about "!" here https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Extensions but the example snippet isn't clear; it's like eating the first space characters that's not a universal thing to do
< 1630396777 667414 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or it was just a bad choice to format this wiki part with code block instead of a marker list maybe
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< 1630397775 683255 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yesterday I woke up in the middle of a dream where some guy was teaching me how to easily draw any angle via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straightedge_and_compass_construction using some cleer iterative divisions by 2, 3, etc. -- then I woke up and could not remember _<>
< 1630397857 442362 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is saying not any angle can be drawn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructible_polygon but I'll now go try catch that guy again
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< 1630421410 224657 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think I can prove https://esolangs.org/wiki/Infinite_Vector Turing-complete. I can simulate a one-dimensional cellular automaton in it, with almost any rules with the restriction that the alphabet is at most 2**256 sized (the size of the largest built-in integer type), and that the 0 state is sessile (so if the neighborhood of a cell is 0
< 1630421410 765788 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then the cell will stay 0 in the next step). 
< 1630421748 486562 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I store the state of the CA in a vector such that cell k is stored in the element of index (1<<k)-1, and all other elements are 0. If A is such an array, then Ar0++Ar1=A;Ar=Ar0$Ar1; computes the cells cyclically rotated by 1 into Ar, and similarly Al0$Al1=A;Al=Al1++Al0; computes the cells cyclically rotated left by 1 into Al. To evolve the state by
< 1630421748 986207 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a step, you compute all the rotations to get the neighbor elements that the rule depends on, then use a conjunction of comparisons to determine which rule of the CA applies, and a ?: conditional chain with those conditions and the new cell state if that condition is true. 
< 1630421909 361925 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Every iteration of the Infinite Vector loop computes one step of the cellular automaton. You use A=A++0; to add a 0 padding to the right of the CA array, and do enough of this each step that it simulates the CA array being padded by zeroes, so the cyclic rotations only rotate in zeroes. At the start of your program, you use a constant
< 1630421909 857188 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :initialization statement to start from the CA's starting step.
< 1630422011 948237 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :To add a halting condition, you have to use a CA that zeroes itself out in the halting state, and add a A:-( statement to the IV program. But you can compile any program to such a CA state if you translate it from a one-tape Turing-machine program, and write the Turing-machine program to track where the ends of the parts it uses of the tape are and
< 1630422012 433685 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zeroes out the whole tape before halting, and you can translate that from a two-stack machine.
< 1630422071 398189 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Infinite Vector is probably not non-interactive-IO-complete the way you defined its IO now.
< 1630422081 322591 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: does this sound correct?
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< 1630422631 849975 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :when you translate from the Turing-machine to the cellular automaton, you'd translate both the halting state of the TM and the empty state of the tape to 0, this looks ambiguous at first but I think it works
< 1630422994 485045 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :alternately you could start from any TM (that need not zero itself), then when the TM reaches halting state, which would be represented by the halting state appearing in exactly one cell of the CA, you change it to two special states, say 1 and 2, in two neighboring cells, then add new CA rules such that 1 moves left by several cells and zeroes out
< 1630422994 974825 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :everything it passes, 2 stays stationary, and when the 1 meets the 2 from the other side, they annihilate to all zeroes, only this time the 1 should propagate faster than how fast you expand the array that represents the CA, and so also faster than the speed of light of the TM
< 1630423048 767800 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could probably also modify a CA directly, but you have to be slightly more careful with the rules because the halting cell value could show up multiple times
< 1630423209 646103 :wob_jonas!~wob_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and of course you have to reduce the TM or the CA to fit in the 2**256 limit, but the standard method works for that)
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< 1630430311 121961 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm. I wonder if Hakerh400 knows about continued fractions yet, or other ways to make streams of naturals into productive real numbers.
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< 1630437718 734830 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, what I said earlier about Infinite Vector wasn't count right, because the array roll operations don't work as is. let me figure out if that's some simple typos that can be fixed, or if it's a significant flaw
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< 1630439086 144376 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can be fixed. the element index k of the CA array is stored in element index (1<<k) in the IV vector (rather than (1<<k)-1 which I said before), the statements to roll right is A0++A1=A;Ar=A0$A1;, and the statements to roll left is A0$A1=A;Al=A0++A1;,  
< 1630439133 124935 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you still store zeros in every other item of the IV vector, and you still grow the CA array with a zero on the right by doing A=A++0;
< 1630439393 982639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: ^ correction to what I said earlier today about Infinite Vector the esolang
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< 1630447812 389018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(you can also make the original scheme work, but you have to be more careful, you can't just use it as cyclic shifts, you have to use them as normal shifts that UB if you shift zero out in either direction)
< 1630447919 274866 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the guy with ruler and angles wasn't there (
< 1630448324 278429 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :omg, I don't understand how gemified rasel-ide worked for me but it isn't now; it requires jquery-3.6.0.min.js that isn't attached to the bin/ shims
< 1630448479 440186 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :never decide that you are done with something when you want to sleep
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