< 1627778034 305133 :mla!~mla@162.253.176.229 JOIN #esolangs mla :mla > 1627779679 86431 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stupidbf14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86783 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+1504) 10Created page with "Stupidbf is a joke derivative of [[Brainfuck]] by CosmicMan08#1975 ([[User:CosmicMan08]]). it sucks lmao == instructions i guess == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Instruction !!..." > 1627779701 450571 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stupidbf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86784&oldid=86783 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+27) 10 > 1627779903 703939 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stupidbf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86785&oldid=86784 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (-1497) 10Redirected page to [[Language of Laughing]] > 1627779906 515922 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language of Lauging14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86786 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+1543) 10Created page with "Language of Laughing is a joke derivative of [[Brainfuck]] by CosmicMan08#1975 ([[User:CosmicMan08]]). it sucks lmao == instructions i guess == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Ins..." > 1627779984 397055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language of Laughing14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86787 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+33) 10Redirected page to [[Language of Lauging]] < 1627780464 844975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1627781247 985752 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1627781292 323913 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 PART #esolangs :Leaving < 1627782242 357190 :mnrmnaughmnrgle!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1627782423 598204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn The password of the month is too long for this irc message < 1627782427 521205 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is too long for this irc message < 1627782514 858559 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :passable < 1627782538 692718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :( arseniiv spoke about quasi-Fermatic passwords earlier ) < 1627782618 453140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm this would have been a good use for `# , but of course i never remember that until afterwards < 1627782657 757627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? `# < 1627782659 828826 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​`# //` is useful if you want to add a comment to HackEgo history for things like `sled or `le/rn. < 1627783358 497781 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we should get fizzie to add links from the hackeso repo history pages to the IRC pages (not serious, no clue how feasible that is, but it'd require hacking hgweb for sure) < 1627783446 668194 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. If it's just based on commit timestamp to the date, that'd probably be reasonably easy. If you want it to link to the correct line's anchor, that's probably a little trickier. < 1627783534 337853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :timestamp is probably fine, especially since the change might have happened off channel < 1627783558 316450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but eh... it's really not that hard to do that manually. a bit tedious, sure. < 1627783674 572592 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. I guess it'd actually be more than a "little" tricky to link to the exact line fully reliably, because HackEso and the logging are two separate clients, so they're not guaranteed to see messages in the same order. < 1627784042 992551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :fiendish < 1627784140 38759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could compare the command lines, although there is some escaping i think < 1627784149 144063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in the logging) < 1627784361 677863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course the logs can't be seen from inside HackEso < 1627784370 573336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :um the irc logs < 1627784559 611873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is also a slight theoretical ambiguity because `run and plain ` are both stripped and not distinguished iirc < 1627784670 368787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`date < 1627784671 439904 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sun Aug 1 02:24:30 UTC 2021 < 1627784845 161497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`dowg password < 1627784847 757159 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :12414:2021-08-01 learn The password of the month is too long for this irc message \ 12408:2021-07-01 learn The password of the month is tempting in retrospect \ 12397:2021-06-01 learn The password of the month is moving to Libera Chat. \ 12377:2021-05-08 learn The password of the month is heavily guarded. \ 12374:2021-04-06 learn The password of the month is hiding in plain sight. \ 12372:2021-03-04 1627787840 434970 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lexinathan 5* 10New user account < 1627787937 163689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course I'm never really sure about what would get reverted, and the general problem of what gets reverted on a wiki and what gets to stay is probably politics-complete, i.e. harder than what humans can currently do < 1627787992 8978 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1627788013 423262 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you had repeated calls to an oracle that could predict if a change gets reverted on a wiki, you could probably use that to find optimal solutions to any political problem, like what the heck to do with the middle east < 1627788093 705596 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well no, probably not find *optimal* solutions, just find solutions exponentially close in value to the optimal > 1627788198 433977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86788&oldid=86778 5* 03Lexinathan 5* (+239) 10/* Introductions of Lexinathan */ < 1627788201 673585 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :What I've been thinking I should do is to make the log web pages produce proper cache validation headers (ETag and/or Last-Modified), because currently they contain none, but the content of past days never changes. Except (and that's probably the reason why I haven't done it yet) if I change something in the formatting. < 1627788262 153194 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here's something I can never remember: which one out of the `-i` and `-I` flags of curl is the one that does just a HEAD request, vs. the one that does a normal GET request but also prints the headers as part of the output. There's probably some kind of a mnemonic for it. < 1627788365 640589 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: `-I` < 1627788393 912518 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also called `--head` < 1627788398 897708 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I mean, I can look it up and/or just determine it empirically, the problem is remembering it the next time. < 1627788409 91989 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe the long flags would be more memorable. < 1627788426 895256 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though I'm quite capable of remembering that -i and -I do those two things, just not which one is which. > 1627788435 452966 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Lexinathan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86789 5* 03Lexinathan 5* (+107) 10me < 1627788561 145544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :"but that would be reverted too" <-- ye of little faith, we'd just expand it to read share/rnooodlhaters hth < 1627788852 189987 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: -i for "include" header; -I is an uppercase letter to set the HTTP method, and http methods are usually written in uppercase < 1627788947 927221 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :-G means to set the method to GET; POST is the default if you give a body to post, and you can't post with no body (you can post with empty body but that's different); but -H was already used for something more important, so it's -I < 1627788984 648959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : if you had repeated calls to an oracle that could predict [...] <-- this seems related to option 3 here https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/updated-look-at-long-term-ai-risks < 1627789038 516224 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: alternately, don't try to remember -i at all, instead try to remember -D to dump the header, but remember -D to print headers to a separate file, and use -D - instead, or -D with the same filename as where the normal output goes < 1627789044 918539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :um no, not that latter < 1627789051 983577 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :-D - instead, and redirect to a file if you wish < 1627789076 233918 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you rarely want to include headers in the same stream when you write a script, and when you just examine the output then -D - ... | less will work < 1627789230 628727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you do sometimes want headers in a separate file when you're writing a script, so remembering -D in general is more useful < 1627789310 664572 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in practice, I remember almost none of those options, not -I, not -i, I look up everything in the manual except maybe sometimes -sS or whatever that pair of options is to mute the default performance info output on stderr when I'm writing to a file but still print errors < 1627789321 177186 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't even know if it's -sS or -sq or -qQ or whatever < 1627789337 606718 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, looked it up, it's -sS < 1627789345 253777 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :curl is hard to use without looking up < 1627789385 981767 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ideally I should implement a better downloading tool that does exactly what I need -- I have written one, wgetas, but that was like twelve years ago, the program sucks, my needs changed, etc < 1627789404 941946 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if I write the program, then I will set its syntax to something I remember > 1627789440 212352 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OrichalcumCosmonaut14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86790&oldid=86762 5* 03OrichalcumCosmonaut 5* (-18) 10pronoun.is has an ?or= query parameter < 1627791234 933215 :dermato!~dermatobr@cpe-70-114-219-76.austin.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1627798416 645067 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86791&oldid=86759 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+114) 10/* Operators */ Added increment and decrement operators to precedence tables < 1627798493 4120 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1627798650 908763 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1627798951 410448 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1627799005 764093 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1627799025 759457 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1627799443 3165 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I wrote a PostScript code for parsing command-line switches, like getopt but always like POSIXLY_CORRECT mode. So, you can write: /Verbose false def << /v [/N {pop /Verbose true def}] >> (getopt.ps) run Verbose == < 1627799736 995086 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://sprunge.us/qT0uzl < 1627802248 660331 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1627802317 854460 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1627803471 276414 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1627803482 811271 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1627805031 239628 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1627805290 740475 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1627805464 783200 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1627806661 962278 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1627809677 508967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1627810276 881518 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1627810392 498047 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao < 1627810398 720829 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/Gpi3LQn.png < 1627810427 398392 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :found this edit in my library README dated to Oct 19 2020 < 1627810545 289434 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I have no idea what the hell is the bug there < 1627824584 398315 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1627824776 709084 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1627825494 594228 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627826688 510138 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1627826960 470891 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1627827521 592858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03R3D 5* 10New user account > 1627828107 78220 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:OISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86792&oldid=32131 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+367) 10 > 1627828146 985302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:OISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86793&oldid=86792 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+3) 10 < 1627828484 248810 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :are there any AIs based on bayes law? < 1627828679 565326 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm imagining that, given a function which we are trying to optimize, we could estimate intervals around the minima. The edges of these intervals (their "boundary") would have a gradient based on the function's derivative. < 1627828727 366211 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the AI should make decisions based on logic and bayes law, to pick the best action < 1627828728 672879 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Given an evaluation of the function within any particular interval, we can improve our knowledge of that interval's minimum, and tighten the bounds. < 1627828761 671964 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :This connects Bayes' law (information about minima) with differentiation-oriented optimization (information about gradients near minima). < 1627828795 324330 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like I finished the thing that finds the words in channel names < 1627828822 229554 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1627828830 168811 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, can you show the code and explain it < 1627828865 52927 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin, what about if everything was over finite sets? < 1627828876 308874 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :then i wont have derivatives < 1627828890 645240 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. an AI in a discrete simulated world < 1627828907 24752 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :explaining it would probably take the same amount of time I wrote it lol < 1627828924 189634 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :here is the result: https://dpaste.org/6LwV/slim < 1627828997 385507 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: Then the useful parts of (warning: memetic hazard!) https://intelligence.org/files/LogicalInduction.pdf apply, and we get 0-1 integer programming (Boolean circuits), which is NP-complete. < 1627829006 419580 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see no errors except probably the line #32 that is a part of "cryptocurrency", should grep to see the input with this substring < 1627829060 655875 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the result makes no sense < 1627829093 719410 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how was this computed < 1627829114 870797 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was many channels with pokemongo in the name? < 1627829173 421598 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: That said, somebody does have a recipe for creating generic AIs: https://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/goedelmachine.html As it evolves over time, it naturally exhibits Bayes' law by improving the explanatory power of its inner model. < 1627829175 263642 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :example piece of input https://i.imgur.com/AqHIn9K.png < 1627829219 52088 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting < 1627829227 678506 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you tell me how it does this nakilon ? < 1627829230 787544 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :example piece with pokemongo https://i.imgur.com/7p1q88m.png < 1627829260 772488 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is a tension between length of substring and number of matches < 1627829266 939284 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the longer a substring is the fewer matches it has < 1627829272 339820 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do you balance it? < 1627829285 289999 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a name for this problem you solved? < 1627829311 527659 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea about the name < 1627829336 995200 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I asked local NLP chat and googled, found no existing solution < 1627829462 757144 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :input is a set of I of N strings, output is a set O of M strings. You want M << N and you want entropy H(I|O) to be much smaller than H(O) I guess could be a way to set it up < 1627829468 934155 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont know for sure if that's right < 1627829496 131181 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :correction H(I|O) to be much smaller than H(I) < 1627829511 462070 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it's nonsense < 1627829525 921775 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the idea is that I can be compressed well using O < 1627829621 349600 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's the wrong way to think about it, I am trying to make anything a nail for this hammer im reading about now < 1627829772 355816 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :we want to find "common" substrings in a set of strings. Call a substring of length n common if it occurs more than log(n) times. < 1627829828 227178 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want to code and try to achieve the same success I can give you the input < 1627829846 820870 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea how to code this, that's part of why i find it interesting < 1627829864 332934 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would maybe try to adapt LZW < 1627829891 196627 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think LZW is not just a random dictionary compression alg. I think it is the canonical universal compression alg (for ergodic sources) < 1627829962 269285 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :It will be nice if you tell how you coded it < 1627829979 492164 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if you dont want to that's ok < 1627830104 745258 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :omg almost deleted the source code < 1627830115 321868 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks Sublime < 1627830142 962076 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that the file was still open in it < 1627830210 336247 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1627830244 22808 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"but if you dont want" -- no, it's just complex < 1627830291 204330 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and involves my know-how algorithm twice < 1627830397 705660 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I would maybe try to adapt LZW" -- I asked here like 3 days ago about it if there is "some text compression CLI with debug option to see common substrings" < 1627830440 628795 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm still lazy to make any search functionality for my IRC logs) < 1627830467 727031 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, there was no answer < 1627830513 138668 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you should use git < 1627830540 683374 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :LZW is just an alg, not a specific command line program < 1627830552 128762 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so i would need to code it from scratch, especially to get common substrings out < 1627830570 83819 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :know-how algorithm? < 1627830728 10218 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"you should use git" -- I didn't have any good results until the last hour so I didn't commit < 1627830808 75836 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I call it PCBR (Pairs Comparison Based Rating) -- very universal thing for sorting tables < 1627830867 957126 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :works better than more classic heuristics functions that you apply "to sort tables by multiple axes at the same time" < 1627830947 681347 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like round-robin chess tourney but with some details < 1627831186 538948 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh that is cool! < 1627831496 645201 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :back in 2013 I wanted to figure out who's the best player on my fav Quake map so I've scraped thousands of player profile stats; the approach didn't work better than just dividing "score / time played" with some heuristics, idk why, but that was the start < 1627831599 294132 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then in 2015 I reimagined it and applied to filter the RSS feeds to leave only the most interesting posts based on their stats like score/comments/age and properties of the tags they belong to -- worked well so I made a gem < 1627831640 861163 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1627831743 281735 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We have an unsupervised-learning thing for morpheme extraction, that's pretty much the same problem I think. < 1627831760 581180 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :morpheme extraction... < 1627831771 958754 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although if I remember right, we really didn't care if the result was "correct", just that it works well. < 1627831802 138910 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in 2016 I decided to automate the moderation of the content in the company I worked at -- the 1-nn worked well after I've optimized the training set of 2000 items throwing away ~500 of them, and since you can't retrain the model 2^2000 time I used the PCBR to effectively traverse the tree of throwingouts < 1627831821 278085 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://morpho.aalto.fi/events/morphochallenge/ -- it was an almost-annual challenge kind of a thing for some time. < 1627831897 351440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and after these "milestones" I started to apply the PCBR so often for my scriptings it would be too big list to describe < 1627831924 949903 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And https://github.com/aalto-speech/morfessor for the piece of software. Not sure how obsolete it is these days. < 1627831938 651394 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1627831982 900812 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the first time I've realised the things works I tried to find it in any books to name the gem properly but couldn't so I had to make my own name for it; later I tried to google it again and only found a bunch of math topics on wikipedia, still no exact match < 1627832433 5203 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, found those links < 1627832438 150635 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-criteria_decision_analysis < 1627832446 750543 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-objective_optimization < 1627832770 366682 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie what is the first column? frequency? < 1627832869 456062 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(here http://morpho.aalto.fi/events/morphochallenge2010/data/wordlist-2010.eng) < 1627833037 182779 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. > 1627833393 228500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86794&oldid=86788 5* 03R3D 5* (+100) 10 > 1627833426 208677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86795&oldid=86794 5* 03R3D 5* (+17) 10 > 1627833573 501872 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:R3D14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86796 5* 03R3D 5* (+178) 10Created page with "hello, i'm R3D, and i have created some esolangs (Deadmind, LTCBCBYCII, RPL) check it out if you can contact me (if any interpreter bugs): discord: R3D#9999 github: redleader167" > 1627833592 403425 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:R3D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86797&oldid=86796 5* 03R3D 5* (+4) 10 < 1627835970 856392 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627836685 995185 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1627836888 401219 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1627838945 812822 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:a4c8:34f4:90c5:9bb8 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1627838959 273088 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:a4c8:34f4:90c5:9bb8 QUIT :Client Quit < 1627839036 352841 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:91b8:870a:fb3:8344 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1627839082 454703 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:a4c8:34f4:90c5:9bb8 JOIN #esolangs spruit11 :anon > 1627840528 333321 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pith14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86798&oldid=86407 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+1318) 10Clean up page > 1627840675 134830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pith14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86799&oldid=86798 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+14) 10Change wording of - operator notes < 1627840883 634870 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok here's my plan < 1627840905 82701 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :since we have a lot of short strings, it should be ok to just make a histogram of every contiguous substring of each string < 1627840919 731484 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that means you multiply the number of strings by T(n) essentially < 1627840928 780381 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :O(m * n^2) < 1627840933 573001 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :m number of strings, n length of strings < 1627840963 596910 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :then i want to pick ones that have a good score < 1627840983 516193 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :where score is some function that likes length and frequency < 1627840994 53539 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :possibly log(length) < 1627841016 452977 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a lot of free parameters to mess with there, which is not great < 1627841052 790769 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you think of this approach? < 1627841864 201122 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry to interrupt < 1627841867 642138 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? password < 1627841874 37642 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The password of the month is too long for this irc message < 1627841882 180895 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :ha :) < 1627842652 848169 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1627842667 286683 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :arseniiv_from_phone < 1627842831 810231 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Client Quit < 1627843124 934997 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1627844478 881052 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1627845193 407731 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LTMCBCBYCII14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86800 5* 03R3D 5* (+4838) 10Created page with "Esolang, created by [[User:R3D|R3D]] in July 2021. Full name is Language That May Cause Brain Cancer But You Can Ignore It, the shortest one is BCL. Heavily inspired by IN..." < 1627845974 496330 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1627846823 84907 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm so the problem I have with my idea is that I get substrings of substrings in my output < 1627846939 953581 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, https://bpa.st/5P6A < 1627846961 451637 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont think its as good as your approach < 1627847624 364850 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1627847975 927461 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :> k -common substring problem: Given m strings of total length n, for all k with 2≤k≤m simultaneously find a longest substring common to at least k of the strings. It is known that the k-common substring problem can also be solved in O(n) time < 1627847977 461687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:46: error: parse error on input ‘of’ < 1627849333 566304 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1627849818 417875 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1627850036 324171 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1627850295 492882 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627851275 985718 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My opinion is I think that the POSIXLY_CORRECT mode of getopt is better. < 1627851350 895785 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1627851391 980397 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :POSIXLY_CORRECT? lol < 1627851540 384172 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: for getopt, I agree that it's better than the GNU mode < 1627851547 305653 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I can mostly deal with both < 1627851568 6111 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1627851581 198736 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I try to write my scripts in a way that they work with both when I invoke a program, so put options first but still put ./ at the start of filenames that start with a hyphen etc < 1627851594 334407 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and -e before a grep pattern that starts with a hyphen < 1627851716 735759 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, the implementation I wrote in PostScript is always using the POSIXLY_CORRECT < 1627851755 768963 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs 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:nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :21:03:36 there's a lot of free parameters to mess with < 1627887468 279444 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had only two < 1627887512 369326 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :one real parameter and another one -- I took only 15000 of 50000 of input strings, heh, or it would take a day to calculate < 1627887569 520137 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :22:42:20 nakilon, https://bpa.st/5P6A < 1627887576 372189 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah only 3 first are good, the rest is broken < 1627887681 468107 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the next valid word is only 37, and 20 is a Russian word if you strip the _ < 1627887707 166237 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :rabota = job < 1627887776 598003 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose 15000 is big enough to not miss popular words, among the top-100 list that it produced < 1627887796 620280 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the next 100 had several errors, didn't count < 1627888124 324389 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :117 nofficial 160 erchat 164 ernet 175 nchain etc. and some of them are weird but can be real words from languages I don't know < 1627891048 205068 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1627891565 791010 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1627891706 706912 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1627894693 647890 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Stupid chrome forgets basic auth both on desktop and mobile < 1627894708 835489 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use it for my thelounge < 1627895658 889839 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1627897176 895367 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1627899864 730165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1627900466 532900 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627900487 714010 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1627904284 836575 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1627905167 884771 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627908049 479404 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1627909463 329690 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Gducrash 5* 10New user account > 1627910111 762611 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86811&oldid=86795 5* 03Gducrash 5* (+229) 10/* Introductions */ < 1627910623 816213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1627911765 985351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Zouguangchen 5* 10New user account > 1627913912 366619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LTMCBCBYCII14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86812&oldid=86800 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-4) 10Unpipe < 1627914110 227225 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1627918303 852128 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1627918842 923509 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1627919201 109837 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1627921651 264602 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1627921700 457340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`" < 1627921702 314275 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1/1:892) okay so like do Or do not? no no do There is no do not. \ 824) Do physicists have half-life crises? < 1627921797 653956 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow < 1627921802 804704 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :`', < 1627921806 328037 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​',? No such file or directory < 1627921841 864005 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`' < 1627921843 105451 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :852) yes Windows 98 installer, please perform a bad blocks scan of your virtual emulated hard drive you have no idea how completely i control your so-called reality < 1627921849 185301 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A single quote and a double quote. Checks out. < 1627922033 305534 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627922942 777608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://gitlab.com/gpsd/gpsd/-/issues/144 is funny: "We would have gotten away with it too if there had been a leap second in the meantime" < 1627923790 859415 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1627923995 641013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Woah, I'd never heard of global warming making Earth spin faster. < 1627924034 291300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(apparently explaining the recent lack of leap seconds) < 1627924049 613832 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :we literally can't predict leap seconds < 1627924058 705580 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's never been any leap seconds removed either < 1627924090 137358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's what I thought so far :P < 1627924182 631338 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, maybe I have the orders of magnitude incorrect. > 1627924238 698732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Epidemic714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86813&oldid=83961 5* 03Epidemic7 5* (-220) 10Blanked the page < 1627924373 663698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, eh, not sure it explains anything. But it's still an interesting phenomenon. I /think/ it says that the effect slightly outweighs the tidal slowdown in their scenario, resulting in a speedup of 0.12ms over 200 years rather than a slowdown by 4.6ms. < 1627924394 672721 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the article could be written more clearly... < 1627924464 459961 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I read that the causes of variation of spin time are not all known < 1627924470 685874 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the ones that are known are chaotic < 1627924580 950934 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :More weirdness: "Over the past 3000 years, the core of the Earth has been speeding up a little, and the mantle-crust on which we stand is slowing down." https://phys.org/news/2015-12-scientists-reveal-rotation-earth-core.html < 1627924597 752441 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :D: < 1627924757 910928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, at least there are a couple of mechanisms that I can understand: 1) As glaciers melt, melted water moves closer to the Earth's axis. 2) As arctic and antarctic ice melt, there's less pressure pushing the poles into the earth, so it becomes a little bit rounder, moving the whole surface closer to the center. < 1627924782 926005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And by "understand" I mean they're plausible :P < 1627924829 780116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no hope of estimating how big those effects are without some serious study. < 1627925036 928071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which won't happen :P) > 1627925161 634484 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86814&oldid=86780 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+32) 10cornercase < 1627925767 914103 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1627925825 712781 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1627926915 224020 :lukalot_!~lukalot@185.245.86.86 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1627927324 337569 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1627927450 158882 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1627928266 363304 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86815&oldid=86791 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-57) 10Reduced section levels by one, and added a 'Design Pattern' section < 1627928358 280592 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1627928382 655697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86816&oldid=86815 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-24) 10/* History */ Removed section separators < 1627928526 801964 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1627929394 432882 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86817&oldid=86816 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+152) 10/* Values */ Testing 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< 1627934697 417676 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Swiss Ephemeris has a function for tidal acceleration; is that related to things that you mention? > 1627934954 147973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86826&oldid=86806 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+14) 10added headass to language list < 1627935166 57862 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1627936378 145787 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86827&oldid=86824 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+5251) 10/* Command Line Tool */ Filled out all CLI sections > 1627936611 539879 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86828&oldid=86827 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+261) 10/* File */ Elaborated on the Interpreter return value > 1627936702 88955 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86829&oldid=86828 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+34) 10/* File */ Fixed wording in last sentence > 1627936787 253215 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86830&oldid=86829 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-18) 10/* Numbers */ Added table header > 1627936817 766557 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86831&oldid=86830 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-10) 10/* Booleans */ Added table header > 1627936879 725062 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86832&oldid=86831 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-27) 10/* Characters */ Added table header < 1627937091 85183 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.254.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1627937231 401173 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1627937405 78918 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86833&oldid=86832 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+1) 10/* Characters */ Fixed wording < 1627939615 341820 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1627939645 106248 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1627940918 455299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, IBM Ponder This is back to normal (a bit of number crunching). < 1627940953 794650 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But is it really a "Starship" if it doesn't get any closer to any other star than the one it starts next to? < 1627941149 400320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Where did starships come up? < 1627941317 839140 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They didn't, that was apropos of nothing. < 1627941354 729322 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was reading an article about some photos Uncle Elon had posted in the context of an orbital visit. < 1627941380 104198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, still lifes aren't considered to be starships, so maybe that's your answer. < 1627941400 408590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, that thing. < 1627941426 696118 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aren't those called spaceships in Life anyway? < 1627941428 617480 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1627941470 132355 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, right. < 1627941500 842651 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If Elon's was called the Spaceship, I couldn't complain, because it does go to space. < 1627941536 661648 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see. What about a solar probe? < 1627941593 285642 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that could be a starship. Have we actually sent anything into the Sun though? < 1627941640 693685 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"The Parker Solar Probe is the first spacecraft to fly into the low solar corona." Maybe that will count. < 1627941689 657830 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although they say it'll be "within 9.86 solar radii -- from the center of the Sun", and I guess really it should be strictly less than 1. < 1627941708 736016 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1627941759 796757 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"The solar radius is usually defined as the radius to the layer in the Sun's photosphere where the optical depth equals 2/3." Sounds pretty arbitrary. < 1627941805 466923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, so it's not a starship unless it actually burns up in one? < 1627941907 960666 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I mean, I think that's maybe a little negative. But I think maybe it should either touch a star, or alternatively there should exist a point during its journey when the nearest star is not the same as at some other point. < 1627941914 931090 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, can C++ break out of several loops without using goto yet... < 1627941923 595028 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not exceptions) < 1627941929 346440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/not/nor/ < 1627941986 369109 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think they've added that. < 1627941990 898694 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pfft: "No, don't spoil it with a break. This is the last remaining stronghold for the use of goto." < 1627942007 498648 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the Vikings already knew that burning ships is the way to go. < 1627942033 967761 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which languages have a multi-level break where the operand is an integer denoting the number of loops to break, rather than a label? And of those languages, how many allow the integer to be non-constant? < 1627942050 500866 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :PHP at least. < 1627942053 995189 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh boy. < 1627942066 471370 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually, I don't know if it can be a non-constant, but I'd sort of expect. < 1627942124 808172 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"PHP Fatal error: 'break' operator with non-integer operand is no longer supported" :/ :\ < 1627942134 367833 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do note the "no longer" in there though. < 1627942146 836323 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :TFW... bugs make your program better. < 1627942300 817833 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :PHP is now developed by a bunch of cowards. < 1627942307 861958 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I bet they don't use strlen as their hash function anymore either. < 1627942730 312915 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I think dc has such a multi-level break < 1627942771 9983 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :UGH, why do people hate contrast so much < 1627942799 193789 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(cf. source code examples from https://esolangs.org/wiki/Minim ...except for the yellow used for brackets) < 1627942809 42463 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the Q command in dc < 1627942887 728840 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar < 1627942910 595494 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: That's a pretty excessive example. Especially the string literals and comments. < 1627942948 886128 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: oh, and there's Intercal, I think it has a dynamic multi-level break too < 1627942965 688893 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1627942986 623900 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar > 1627943021 439313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86834&oldid=86833 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+144) 10/* Statements */ Added Memory Push and Memory Pop stubs < 1627943056 633099 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, it's a multi-level return < 1627943066 823449 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(same for dc) < 1627943075 403406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not quite the same :P < 1627943106 302107 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"This is because the easiest way to implement an if-like construct in INTERCAL-72 is by NEXTING, then NEXTING again, then RESUMING either by 1 or 2 according to an expression, and then if the expression evaluated to 1 FORGETTING the remaining NEXT stack entry." It's a nice manual. < 1627943135 271512 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does words (the program in HackEso) have an evaluate mode, as opposed to a generate mode, so that you give it a word, and it outputs the information (log probability) in it based on the model? < 1627943169 89150 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think it has that implemented. < 1627943181 189855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ok, but in dc about the only way to write a loop is by repeatedly executing a macro, so that's what a multi-level break should look like < 1627943187 418597 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in tail-recursing a macro < 1627943215 282730 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, which is why I only interjected when you brought it up for intercal < 1627943270 423683 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you need some lexical blocks in the language in order for a dynamic multi-level break to feel ridiculous. < 1627943292 307599 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can a PHP break cross function boundaries? < 1627943301 182331 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I saw something like this in a language besides the ones we mentioned > 1627943338 352007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86835&oldid=86834 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+4) 10/* Fibonacci */ Added link < 1627943365 318198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I ended up with this... https://paste.debian.net/1206394/ (top: what I wanted, bottom: the result) < 1627943424 184471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, I messed up the hypothetical code, didn't I. < 1627943426 510091 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :whatever < 1627943496 857545 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes, (0) has multi-level break using a number that gives the depth, but only for a constant depth, not dynamic. the language spec doesn't say if it works past a function boundary, I assumed no because that was convenient because I wanted to transpile the language, not implement something in it. < 1627943529 670499 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's where I must have seen it < 1627943576 659133 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`BEGIN AGAIN` in Forth is an infinite loop, which doesn't really fit the English meaning of that sentence fragment. < 1627943577 861554 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :BEGIN? No such file or directory < 1627943767 744461 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wonder if there's any production Forth code that says at some point ... THEN BEGIN AGAIN ... that's there, e.g., to give a supposedly unreachable piece of code defined semantics of just hanging up in there. < 1627943922 209119 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ulimit -t 1; forth ': foo if ." all good" exit then begin again ; 0 foo' # or something along those lines < 1627943924 482283 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: 52 Killed forth ': foo if ." all good" exit then begin again ; 0 foo' < 1627944141 52412 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: is that like the infamous {redo} in perl? < 1627944213 548304 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which geo knows as (*) < 1627944237 454437 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(shows that you can express useless stuff easily in that language, but not useful stuff) < 1627944343 371295 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently today's https://xkcd.com/2497/ mentions something that has come up often on #esoteric < 1627944803 144420 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Forth control structures are pretty flexible. The compilation semantics of `BEGIN` push the address of the next word to the control-flow stack, and `AGAIN` pops it. `UNTIL` is the same except it also pops a value at run-time to decide whether to follow the branch or not. So while you can use BEGIN ... UNTIL for `do {...} while (!cond)` and `BEGIN ... AGAIN` for `for (;;) {...}` loops, you < 1627944804 492321 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :can also just mix the words up if you happen to need something strange. (I'm not very good at Forth.) > 1627944932 207644 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86836&oldid=86835 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+15313) 10/* Fibonacci */ Added syntax highlighting > 1627945558 969865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86837&oldid=86836 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+37) 10/* Characters */ Added double quote > 1627945585 902729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86838&oldid=86837 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+0) 10/* Characters */ Fixed double quote name > 1627945871 946397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86839&oldid=86838 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+152) 10/* Size (-s) */ Added formatting to examples > 1627945938 929128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86840&oldid=86839 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-5) 10/* Comments */ Removed separators > 1627945958 122454 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86841&oldid=86840 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-5) 10/* Memory */ Removed separators > 1627946013 818151 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86842&oldid=86841 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-35) 10/* Memory */ Removed separators > 1627946036 537351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86843&oldid=86842 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-10) 10/* Memory */ Removed separators < 1627946114 964873 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627947416 996041 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't like the conditions of dc much and I think that arithmetic if would be a better command to add into dc for implementing conditions > 1627948044 720879 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86844&oldid=79818 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+610) 10/* Python Interpreter */ new section < 1627949226 905790 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1627949261 848616 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1627949523 989008 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1627950741 890885 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1627950742 365408 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1627950742 760915 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1627950742 846291 :craigoverend[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1627950825 955756 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs jryans :@jryans:matrix.org < 1627950904 893999 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1627951370 400245 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 JOIN #esolangs Deewiant :@deewiant:maon.fi < 1627951370 528564 :craigoverend[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc JOIN #esolangs * :@craigoverend:matrix.org < 1627951383 38066 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 JOIN #esolangs * :@fizzie:zem.fi < 1627953116 450086 :lukalot__!~lukalot@2603:9000:ca0b:500:52cb:1bdc:8ef1:ed60 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1627953279 297504 :lukalot_!~lukalot@185.245.86.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1627954229 459254 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86845&oldid=86843 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+2277) 10/* Operators */ Added the rest of the unique operators > 1627955747 160685 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86846&oldid=86845 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+547) 10/* Statements */ Elaborated on the statements > 1627956236 29657 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86847&oldid=86740 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-18) 10/* Parse this sic */ shorter < 1627957021 909778 :lukalot__!~lukalot@2603:9000:ca0b:500:52cb:1bdc:8ef1:ed60 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1627957372 855765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86848&oldid=86847 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-55) 10/* Parse this sic */ sorry about the recent edit spree. Most compliant interpreter I could come up with, and it's pretty cute too. Tested thoroughly. > 1627957686 560871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86849&oldid=86846 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+601) 10/* Design Patterns */ Added exit design pattern. > 1627957775 318110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86850&oldid=86849 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+56) 10/* Goto (_<) */ Updated goto definition > 1627957807 92622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86851&oldid=86850 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+55) 10/* Gosub (_+) */ Updated gosub definition < 1627959454 725371 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1627959506 720521 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch > 1627965000 403674 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86852&oldid=86851 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+5) 10/* Design Patterns */ Fixed typo > 1627965418 341928 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86853&oldid=86852 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+82) 10Added to paradigms in info box > 1627965580 198152 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86854&oldid=86853 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+104) 10Added categories < 1627967309 337158 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs esolangs :esolangs.org < 1627967309 484195 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs < 1627967502 336706 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo > 1627969615 803796 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86855&oldid=86854 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+199) 10/* Comments */ Added syntax highlighting < 1627969914 125344 :V__!~v@anomalous.eu NICK :V > 1627969967 273818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86856&oldid=86855 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+411) 10/* Values */ Added syntax highlighting > 1627970050 564779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86857&oldid=86856 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+2724) 10/* Arrays */ Added syntax highlighting < 1627970568 703537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1627971451 74912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86858&oldid=86857 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+8542) 10/* Memory */ Added syntax highlighting > 1627971592 65342 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86859&oldid=86858 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+12) 10/* Relative Range Access */ Added syntax highlighting < 1627971604 141371 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1627971764 826751 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1627971919 626655 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1627971919 803642 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1627972456 737644 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1627973273 640422 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does any format use floating point RLE? < 1627974892 643567 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1627977197 246018 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1627977954 623711 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1627978134 630470 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1627978649 355871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ppencode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86860 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+4674) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} '''ppencode''' is #a subset of [[Wikipedia:Perl|Perl]] who restricts source code to have only Perl keywords, defined by Yoshino TAKESAKO in 2005, #a Perl program..." > 1627978764 960834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ppencode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86861&oldid=86860 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+1) 10/* Syntax */ > 1627984037 477578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86862&oldid=86811 5* 03Zouguangchen 5* (+73) 10 > 1627984181 930543 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86863&oldid=86862 5* 03Zouguangchen 5* (+62) 10 > 1627984589 123826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AsciiFunc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86864&oldid=86825 5* 03Gducrash 5* (+5792) 10Added syntax rules and a list of commands > 1627984718 563920 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Gducrash 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Ucrash.jpg10]]" > 1627984837 464539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Gducrash14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86866 5* 03Gducrash 5* (+147) 10My page yay! > 1627985495 297559 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AsciiFunc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86867&oldid=86864 5* 03Gducrash 5* (+92) 10Added categories > 1627985575 87041 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86868&oldid=86826 5* 03Gducrash 5* (+16) 10added AsciiFunc < 1627986211 329437 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1627987049 879598 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AsciiFunc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86869&oldid=86867 5* 03Gducrash 5* (+1829) 10Added examples, improved syntax description and infobox < 1627987564 289246 :integral_!sid296274@user/integral NICK :integral > 1627989245 565930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Gabryx64 5* 10New user account > 1627989657 66343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86870&oldid=86863 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+192) 10/* Introductions */ > 1627989678 965705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Gabryx6414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86871 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+2) 10Created page with "Hi" < 1627990172 888960 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1627990969 143449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SussyLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86872 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+663) 10Sus > 1627991004 74404 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SussyLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86873&oldid=86872 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (-2) 10/* Sussylang */ > 1627991134 572412 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86874&oldid=86868 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+16) 10/* S */ > 1627991230 797223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86875&oldid=86874 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+0) 10Undo revision 86874 by [[Special:Contributions/Gabryx64|Gabryx64]] ([[User talk:Gabryx64|talk]]) > 1627991329 138647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86876&oldid=86373 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+33) 10/* General languages */ > 1627991891 495018 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SussyLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86877&oldid=86873 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (-7) 10/* Truth Machine */ > 1627991900 985269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SussyLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86878&oldid=86877 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (-7) 10/* Sussy World!(\n) */ < 1627992331 329272 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1627993170 268910 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch > 1627993320 954347 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:R3D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86879&oldid=86797 5* 03R3D 5* (+1) 10 > 1627995196 969540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Aboba14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86880 5* 03R3D 5* (+2383) 10Created page with "An esolang created in 1 day. Inspired by Brainfuck, but very different from it. Should be turing complete. Extensions: .b. ===Instructions=== {| class="wiki..." > 1627995813 414709 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SussyLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86881&oldid=86878 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+0) 10/* Sussylang */ > 1627995818 379749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86882&oldid=86814 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+1063) 10turing complete!! woo!! < 1627997733 136307 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1627997761 683765 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1627997999 869480 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Pineal Gland Optics > 1627998209 3872 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SussyLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86883&oldid=86881 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+50) 10Cats > 1627998599 261056 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Gabryx64/common.css14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86884 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+51) 10Created page with "#html { filter: invert(1) hue-rotate(180deg); }" > 1627998693 969360 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Gabryx64/common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86885&oldid=86884 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+6) 10 < 1627998700 258572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1627998766 515053 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Gabryx64/common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86886&oldid=86885 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (-57) 10Blanked the page > 1627999276 529296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86887&oldid=86882 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (-12) 10 < 1627999378 411336 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm. we could try to make a bait-and-switch joke about how 2020 is the longest year, not because of the pandemic, but because it has both 366 days and 53 weeks. that has last happened in 2004, and will happen in 2032 next. < 1627999438 557608 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or perhaps we could make a doom prophecies about a new pandemic in 2032 < 1627999576 939687 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Was there a pandemic in 2004? < 1627999654 797432 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bird flu was 2004 < 1627999692 382428 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which was a pandemic scare rather than an actual pandemic < 1628002521 577473 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.39.45.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1628003905 281417 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628004697 857545 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1628004978 237943 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1628007332 93588 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.39.45.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1628007383 796076 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1628007459 880655 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1628008843 183425 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1628008856 221714 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628008974 865572 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628012274 893698 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson > 1628013660 867129 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Braden 5* 10New user account < 1628013762 603722 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1628013792 885022 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in > 1628013860 483766 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86888&oldid=86870 5* 03Braden 5* (+206) 10Braden has joined the party > 1628013955 28107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Braden14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86889 5* 03Braden 5* (+77) 10Created page with "I'm Braden, creator of [https://gitlab.com/bradenbest/stacky Stacky/Stackyzi]" > 1628014037 411575 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Braden14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86890&oldid=86889 5* 03Braden 5* (+147) 10Mention bfvm < 1628014610 609140 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628015553 440463 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2805/scientists-id-three-causes-of-earths-spin-axis-drift/ < 1628016183 238865 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1628017810 94369 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I could’ve sworn I had some forth code that went like `begin while repeat` or similar, doing the branch check in the middle of the loop body so the first half of the loop body has do-while-like execution and the second half while-like. I can’t find said code now though. < 1628017835 448405 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's a thing too, yes. < 1628017853 366447 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I omitted it because I couldn't really write the C equivalent. < 1628017916 670606 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah that was more answering to the “mix the words up if you need something strange” part. < 1628018024 904139 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, although arguably in that case that's specifically what those three words (well, except `begin`, it's more generic) have been designed to do. But I feel like I've seen Forth code that just uses one of the existing control flow words in a really unintuitive place, because it happens to have the right effect. < 1628018143 986341 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION nodnods.
< 1628018596 876286 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now that you mention it, it's actually a little confusing how `while` and `until` aren't just aliases with the condition inverted. Instead, `while repeat` is the counterpart of `until`. Or `0= until` would also do it, I guess. < 1628019146 325726 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is the advantage of Forth; it is a kind of structures that can be useful in programming < 1628023589 900361 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine you have a function in the form (pseudocode): int muldiv(int x, y, z) = x * y / z is there any language in which you would expect to get the assembly output as something like mov eax, edi; mov ecx, edx; imul esi; idiv ecx; ret < 1628023622 143816 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is, without a sign extend throwing away upper half of the multiplication result? < 1628024045 202565 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so does `begin` push the PC to a control stack at runtime, or does it push the PC to a compile control stack and then some other control structure assembles the address from that compile control stack? < 1628024053 841074 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried gfortran, several C compilers, rust, and freebasic; all of them outputted some kind of sign-extent instruction < 1628024171 212035 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oren: no, but if you write short instead of int for the parameter type then sure < 1628024187 373839 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :why would that matter? < 1628024214 265168 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh right, those automatic conversions < 1628024216 272063 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the C language will coerce the shorts to ints before you multiply < 1628024245 509489 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though of course that only extends on the now common platforms where shorts are 16 bit wide but ints are 32 bit wide < 1628024320 697425 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I still get a sign-extend < 1628024627 226720 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it converts to 32 bit, but then still sign-extends upper 32 bits of result even though they're guaranteed to already be < 1628025021 230989 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: AIUI, it's the latter. As in: BEGIN pushes a backwards branch destination to the (control flow, though sometimes it's just the one) stack as part of its compilation semantics, and compiles into nothing; and likewise AGAIN pops a branch destination from there and compiles into an unconditional jump. < 1628025029 332836 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Similarly with `IF ... THEN`, except in that case IF compiles into a to-be forward jump and pushes something that represents an unresolved target, which THEN pops off and uses to set the destination address. None of these words have any valid interpretation semantics. < 1628025035 7220 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`forth begin again < 1628025036 905328 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​ \ *OS command line*:-1: Interpreting a compile-only word \ >>>begin<<< again bye \ Backtrace: \ $40393B30 throw < 1628025163 348903 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though there are special interpreter directive versions, [if], [then], [begin], [repeat] that can be used in the interpreter mode to conditionally compile things and so on. < 1628025482 331568 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`forth : ex 1 if ." true" else ." false" then cr ; ex see ex < 1628025484 661588 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :true \ \ : ex \ 1 \ IF .\" true" \ ELSE .\" false" \ THEN \ cr ; < 1628025491 622590 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`forth : ex [ 1 ] [if] ." true" [else] ." false" [then] cr ; ex see ex < 1628025492 749025 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :true \ \ : ex \ .\" true" cr ; > 1628027610 965218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86891&oldid=86887 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+3) 10format < 1628027753 94228 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1628027791 707887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86892&oldid=86891 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (-67) 10/* Computational class */ > 1628027861 749908 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86893&oldid=86892 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+12) 10 < 1628027948 272652 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ok. but I understand there's still a runtime control stack for subroutines < 1628027972 896000 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :are all these words case-insensitive? the mix of uppercase and lowercase is confusing < 1628027999 262744 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if they're case-insensitive that would explain it < 1628028030 230672 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, there's a return stack. And yes, I think Forths are often case-insensitive, and Gforth at least is. < 1628028067 247141 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently you can have special case-sensitive wordlists as well if you want. < 1628028135 186605 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/gforth/Docs-html/Case-insensitivity.html "Two people have asked how to convert Gforth to be case-sensitive; while we think this is a bad idea, you can change all wordlists into tables like this: ' table-find forth-wordlist wordlist-map ! < 1628028137 974997 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Note that you now have to type the predefined words in the same case that we defined them, which are varying. You may want to convert them to your favourite case before doing this operation (I won't explain how, because if you are even contemplating doing this, you'd better have enough knowledge of Forth systems to know this already)." < 1628030822 739902 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628031236 802334 :Koen_!~Koen@76.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1628031689 618138 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1628034046 433927 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628034785 464952 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What kind of lossless compression is suitable for short sound effects, rather than music or speech? < 1628039736 228432 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so it's probably like basic, which is case sensitive, so on old computers people used all upper case, because that worked well with the old printers and monitors, but now people more and more prefer more readable mostly lower case, with some upper case initials > 1628043784 387031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86894&oldid=86893 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+251) 10formatting in comp class > 1628044932 402165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86895&oldid=86859 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+40) 10/* Operators */ Added evaluation order > 1628045200 818307 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86896&oldid=86895 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-79) 10/* Logical Not (!x) */ Added syntax highlighting > 1628045218 873223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86897&oldid=86896 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+316) 10/* Logical Not (!x) */ Added line 1 > 1628045254 31109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86898&oldid=86897 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+316) 10/* Logical Not (!x) */ Added line 2 < 1628045707 164230 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] KakkoiiChris < 1628046480 164360 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628046689 935803 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1628047074 211291 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:a4c8:34f4:90c5:9bb8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628047117 164200 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628047271 654349 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1628047309 891718 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was told by the Discord that I should ask here for some help with the rate limit on my lang's wiki page? < 1628047313 165551 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628047359 611898 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1628047431 815778 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Got a match?14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86899 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+308) 10i may be stupid, > 1628047451 669605 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Got a match?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86900&oldid=86899 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+4) 10fixed format < 1628047463 578793 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :This would be a good place to ask. I don't recall who could help with that, though. < 1628047820 763673 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1628048152 740054 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628048816 789480 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1628049088 823333 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628050792 878057 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1628051076 950275 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1628051406 995418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86901 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+3259) 10Main page for cpy, info > 1628051408 262059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy/Converter14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86902 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+1379) 10Add converter (bf -> cpy) > 1628051467 311702 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZippyMagician14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86903&oldid=86823 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+9) 10Add cpy > 1628051493 470505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86904&oldid=86875 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+10) 10Add cpy < 1628051510 164728 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628051523 906 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628053688 890218 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1628053967 904612 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1628054725 328035 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1628055010 332474 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 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:KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1628064120 345227 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628064378 634800 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628064500 632038 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628068477 851513 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628070645 572698 :Koen_!~Koen@160.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1628073153 704086 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628074282 583753 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1628074399 14089 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:SussyLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86905 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+188) 10Created page with "sussy imposter baka ..." > 1628075617 773641 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SussyLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86906&oldid=86883 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+1618) 10 > 1628075671 946108 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SussyLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86907&oldid=86906 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+1) 10 < 1628078896 543217 :Koen_!~Koen@160.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628080706 914147 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1628081822 250899 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SussyLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86908&oldid=86907 5* 03Gabryx64 5* (+2360) 10/* SussyLang */ < 1628082241 667582 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628082273 683705 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628082739 642724 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628082883 634730 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628083306 881817 :lukalot_!~lukalot@23.82.142.215 JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1628084123 536404 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy/Converter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86909&oldid=86902 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+401) 10Fix bug in converter > 1628084261 646245 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy/Converter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86910&oldid=86909 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+14) 10Add back button > 1628084315 401076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86911&oldid=86901 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-54) 10Update page with fixes > 1628084383 102460 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86912&oldid=86911 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-8) 10/* About */ < 1628084384 258107 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos JOIN #esolangs kspalaiologos :Kamila > 1628084568 847828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86913&oldid=86912 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+129) 10Fix translation guide to account for bug < 1628085405 170261 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timeout: 258 seconds < 1628091578 339329 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628091786 832259 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1628092151 338606 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude < 1628092209 164895 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] KakkoiiChris < 1628093198 353365 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1628093724 852095 :ski!~ski@remote12.chalmers.se JOIN #esolangs ski :Stefan Ljungstrand < 1628093743 965889 :V!~v@anomalous.eu JOIN #esolangs V :Wie? < 1628094082 47345 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1628094923 65176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :KakkoiiChris: are you there? i can disable the size filter for a moment for you < 1628095051 786080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :otoh it _is_ a rather large page, so i might recommend splitting up < 1628095258 93426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :or i could do this... > 1628095370 275619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86918&oldid=86916 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10Fix cat < 1628095401 821999 :V!~v@anomalous.eu JOIN #esolangs V :Wie? < 1628095522 333583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628095540 380985 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1628095602 947691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628095702 46314 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1628096099 233861 :Koen_!~Koen@160.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1628096676 196868 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :does anyone remember how did exactly that "collection of puzzles" with Loopy reach this channel a week-two ago? < 1628096718 767846 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs joast :purple < 1628096749 862705 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, velik is currently down due to the ongoing migration between hostings < 1628097021 450777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :which collection of puzzles < 1628097113 322460 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan that's how that website with Loopy called < 1628097205 247232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-07.html#lB9 shows you were the first to mention loopy last month < 1628097252 880088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and fizzie mentioned the collection a few messages above < 1628097269 968566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :but of course, we've discussed that many times over the years < 1628097293 415594 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1628097311 910252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm pretty sure i learned it first on #esoteric < 1628097319 550792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :but not at all sure when < 1628097325 667580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*learned of it < 1628097409 70924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact, i usually have one of those puzzles open on my laptop at any given time (currently Dominosa) < 1628097497 451662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :cycling alphabetically whenever i tire of the previous one or windows nags about rebooting, mostly < 1628097515 807216 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1628097905 733355 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :2009-02-07 18:34:06: "Trojan horse Generic12.BJXH" it says \ 18:34:19: in [t]atham's puzzle connection? < 1628097923 958466 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1628097993 176902 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :connection < 1628098106 246564 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628098212 832669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait are you saying i might have mentioned it first? < 1628098358 806140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm that doesn't sound like a first mention < 1628098607 699916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :or rather, i'm speaking as if i've already played that collection for quite a while < 1628098820 709818 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: the site had been mentioned earlier, but the first proper link to the puzzle collection as a whole was 2009-06-30 15:53:07: Also "mines" at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ claims to do it < 1628098827 351075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the web version, that is) < 1628098978 898466 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how common is it that someone becomes king/queen in a hereditary monarchy (hereditary interpreted broadly) before they are born? < 1628099012 489439 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :eg. if their father was the king and they die before the child is born < 1628099131 698078 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the award for the least expected question goes to... < 1628099300 886234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm sure we've seen less expected ones. but not sure if they were also from b_jonas ;) < 1628099310 312820 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, I was just thinking about the primogeniture succession rule for the king of Great Britain and Ireland < 1628099362 852583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there's the implication that if you don't want to turn a monarch to not a monarch while they're alive without them abdicating or forced to abdicate because of some scandal, then you need to accept that the unborn child of their recently dead uncle needs to be king < 1628099396 673031 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this was probably even funnier with the old male primogeniture rule and without ultrasounds good enough to predict the gender of an unborn child < 1628099451 194073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :a real sidesplitter < 1628099487 140412 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the problem could come up for other hereditary monarchy positions with a different monarch < 1628099530 314150 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I expect the question must have come up at least a few times in history < 1628099555 457068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm pretty sure i've read of examples, i just cannot remember them < 1628099579 952380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it could even cause religious problems, like if the king is required to be Christian, which requires a ceremony of baptism, which is generally done after birth < 1628099699 610817 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not that that part is my problem, let the relevant church deal with figuring out the rules for that < 1628099813 674079 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you could say that with the decreasing political power that European kings/queens have now, who is the king/queen is also less likely to be my problem in the 21th century < 1628099938 162689 :Guest9!~Guest9@h69-130-187-193.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest9 < 1628099976 528197 :Guest9!~Guest9@h69-130-187-193.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1628099977 226530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i looked at w:regency to see if it mentioned this case, but no < 1628099988 786682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :er *w:regent < 1628100121 360157 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine a King becoming a Queen < 1628100180 403639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I don't think that would matter much, king and queen are just different english words for effectively the same meaning here < 1628100181 519426 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what a shock for the kingdom < 1628100363 425207 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean as far as I understand, the U.K. had new coins cast with different portraits of Queen Elizabeth II just because she aged, so they could do the same with a king who changes to a queen < 1628100426 428377 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there's all sort of text that's quickly changed between "His Majesty" vs "Her Majesty", it's not like that change itself matters much < 1628100523 489503 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, if there's a queen, and he dies, and there's a new king, and you take an oath to serve the queen after the king died but before the news reached you, that wouldn't even invalidate the oath, because you're taking an oath to serve the position, including future rightful queens, not just the current king < 1628101122 93271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION appreciates b_jonas's return to pronominal slipup there
< 1628101170 378975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i haven't noticed you doing that in a while < 1628101455 76862 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/tents.html is still annoying :P < 1628101531 934144 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I love tents < 1628101609 913519 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :solved it < 1628101663 26228 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628101688 985386 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1628101694 798177 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ones I like: dominosa, light up, loopy, magnets, pearl, signpost, tents, tracks, undead, unruly, untangle < 1628101706 169275 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: The annoying bit is that there's no way to mark trees < 1628101758 236466 :mnrmnaughmnrgle!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628101772 589655 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's some good puzzles not in simon tathams collection too: star battle, statue park < 1628101805 378565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :palisade is cute too < 1628101831 412201 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill try it and mosaic, i never noticed mosaic before < 1628101836 918394 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1628101867 50134 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://krazydad.com/play/area51/ is also good, it's a mix of lots of puzzles < 1628101937 78883 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628101956 505105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :untangle... I used to play planarity *a lot*. < 1628102070 547388 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just uploaded https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bp-csatornafedel-magykir.jpg , an old manhole cover whose caption, cast in metal, refers to "royal telephone network". I think that label would be invariant regardless the gender of the king/queen, but that's basically impossible to test because the two monarchs of Ostrich-Hungry were definitely kings, and we don't have a six hundred year old < 1628102076 554990 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :telephone network < 1628102167 441838 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, the untangle implementation misses the "mark intersections" feature < 1628102222 2060 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently the telephone network on Budapest started in 1881 < 1628102363 406273 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though, given that I photographed that on the street in 2013, it's most likely to be recent, probably from between the two world wars < 1628102383 565502 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"POST OFFICE TELEGRAPHS" is what a lot of the manhole covers hereabouts say. < 1628102400 242101 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure when they're from. < 1628102462 305802 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://assets.londonist.com/uploads/2015/01/i875/telegraph.jpg <- looking like that < 1628102484 907923 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I recognize that < 1628102491 157477 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :something something "why manholes are circle?" < 1628102511 89038 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I think all of these are rectangular though. < 1628102573 987395 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the only time I saw rectangular manhole was in Odessa, on a very popular tourist site < 1628102639 844878 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is a good feature of this current timeline that a lot of London's lavatorial history is related to the company established by Thomas Crapper. < 1628102795 361640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :still easy... https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ut.png < 1628102798 767378 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I see < 1628102921 852914 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :here, only smaller manhole covers are circular, all the larger ones are rectangular, probably because the larger ones (not counting very old ones like this) are made of reinforced concrete with a metal frame, rather than all metal < 1628102928 394720 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the thing with marking intersections is that when there are many points, I tend to stash the solved part in a corner and it's easy to introduce an intersection by accident that is really hard to see) < 1628102931 638774 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, no, that wasn't even a rectangle, lol < 1628102953 227129 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://goo.gl/maps/1Nzrf39GX9kwo6iy7 < 1628103039 671802 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the largest manholes are covered by two rectangular covers, presumably to avoid a huge very heavy manhole cover, and circular would suck for that too < 1628103079 493483 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: nice < 1628103616 198328 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] KakkoiiChris < 1628103616 545940 :Koen_!~Koen@160.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1628103727 598460 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan I'm here now, sorry. I was out with family for the moment. < 1628103935 190922 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv did you try to solve the words thing further? < 1628104253 887605 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon, I know what to do next (sort by word length, delete substrings) < 1628104257 901728 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :what i didn't implement it < 1628104267 285459 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually maybe it's not that simple < 1628104276 945070 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :a shorter word might be better, if it's used many more times < 1628104289 202570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :KakkoiiChris: i've temporarily disabled the filter now < 1628104301 927021 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :conside strings with an equal number of ) and ( in them < 1628104318 168044 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :consider < 1628104336 291955 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example "()" and ")()(" < 1628104351 103638 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :does any language assign semantics to these? < 1628104408 589796 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan Thank you, kindly~ I of course now realize why not many others bother with the syntax highlighting like I've done, but I was so close to finishing it that I didn't want to give up on it. I should have it done by the end of the day~ < 1628104478 761785 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1628104547 230154 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I wonder if there's MediaWiki extensions that allow for "manual" syntax highlighting using a syntax that's more compact and also doesn't involve hardcoding the colors necessarily. < 1628104575 275311 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's definitely syntax highlighting extensions, but the ones I've come across are those where they support more... mainstream languages, and do it automatically. < 1628104686 162403 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] KakkoiiChris < 1628104873 423672 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie Is there a way to create a CSS sheet for your page? If that's the case, then I could keep the classes from Notepad++'s HTML output, and it would be a lot smaller. < 1628104951 897830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> reverse ")()(" < 1628104953 299802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : "()()" < 1628104976 313883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :> reverse "())(()" < 1628104977 762472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : ")(())(" < 1628105024 813856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(just pointing out that it's not simply matched parens or reversed matched) < 1628105035 319317 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :> reverse "( . )( . )" < 1628105035 570551 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think probably not. There might be some security implications in allowing "untrusted" CSS that's shown to other users. < 1628105036 775613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : ") . () . (" < 1628105048 132777 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh < 1628105091 542503 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :True,,, oh well. At least I can keep on editing. < 1628105203 971868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :there might be a way to do it with templates, maybe? > 1628105222 698260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86919&oldid=86898 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+5870) 10/* Relative Range Access */ Added syntax highlighting < 1628105229 714349 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine I could probably also stick in some "generic" syntax highlighting classes ("keyword", "number", whatnot) with semi-reasonable defaults into a global stylesheet file somewhere, which users could then customize in their user stylesheets if they like. > 1628105277 745251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Aboba14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86920&oldid=86880 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10 > 1628105279 116436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86921&oldid=86919 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+934) 10/* Logical Not (!x) */ Added syntax highlighting < 1628105314 188579 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Maybe if you want to make the slowest-to-render page ever. (Not that it's a concern with our wiki's amount of traffic, just saying.) > 1628105332 831869 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Aboba14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86922&oldid=86920 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-9) 10/* External links */ < 1628105346 729713 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Render" there meaning the part MediaWiki does, not the part the client does. < 1628105360 747804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :KakkoiiChris: ok you're past the limit now so i'll turn the filter back on and you still be ok as long as you don't shrink the page back below it < 1628105366 889075 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol 🅰️🅱️🅾️🅱️🅰️ < 1628105388 451705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*you should still > 1628105475 616830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86923&oldid=86921 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+1487) 10/* Logical Narrowing (?x) */ Added syntax highlighting < 1628105520 277784 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :dark color schemes suck if you ask me https://i.imgur.com/4RX4jY3.png > 1628105528 680287 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86924&oldid=86923 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+1295) 10/* Unary Operators */ Added syntax highlighting > 1628107374 493818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86925&oldid=86924 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+19777) 10/* Binary Operators */ Added syntax highlighting < 1628107533 133477 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan You mean not to remove any text, right? < 1628107552 908099 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Below what I had before, that is. < 1628107976 917260 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628107992 961667 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver > 1628108299 163806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86926&oldid=86925 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+1013) 10/* Ternary Operator (x ? y : z) */ Added syntax highlighting < 1628108345 710167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :KakkoiiChris: yeah > 1628108525 45986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86927&oldid=86926 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+14336) 10/* Design Patterns */ Added syntax highlighting < 1628108763 540934 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" (just pointing out that it's not simply matched parens or reversed matched)" => but cyclically rotated matched parens, right? < 1628108878 731560 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :KeziahMason > 1628109738 833022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86928&oldid=86927 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-1761) 10/* Design Patterns */ Fixed formatting < 1628109771 885205 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes < 1628109776 298619 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there will always be a cyclic shift < 1628109784 995472 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :because you can align the zero point < 1628110320 952353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1628111115 163754 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628111173 595324 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628111770 39353 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628111866 123981 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1628112295 699156 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628112358 982200 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1628112446 994720 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Quit: We're here. We're queer. Connection reset by peer < 1628112466 814551 :V!~v@anomalous.eu JOIN #esolangs V :Wie? < 1628112954 326213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: the thing about untangled is that it's more a matter of patience than anything else... https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ut500.png < 1628112990 604457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it does produce funny patterns though, which probably differ a lot between players) < 1628113040 48935 :lukalot_!~lukalot@23.82.142.215 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628113134 49727 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah < 1628113139 125328 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont think ive ever done one that complex < 1628113225 788941 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the settings for that? < 1628113265 645097 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Judging from the file name, 500 points, but it doesn't seem that much. < 1628113278 344128 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's 500 points < 1628113288 113902 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> sqrt 500 < 1628113289 601152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 22.360679774997898 < 1628113301 136383 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh. I guess it's just hard to estimate. < 1628113475 10622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I didn't count them. But 500 is what I told it to use. < 1628113655 228505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1628113895 8591 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there was a standalone version of that game too. "gplanar"? No, "gplanarity". < 1628113949 950116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, gplanarity < 1628113962 512040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :played that endlessly maybe a decade ago < 1628114003 442377 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it had some cute twists, like some levels with non-planar graphs < 1628114061 281067 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also some useful editing features, most notably a zoom feature which I mostly used to concentrate the initial points in the lower-left corner so I had room to operate < 1628114085 516679 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but alos a block move feature that was occasionally handy for rearranging the solved part. < 1628114175 228608 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if it would be a plausible UI tweak if there was a mode that hides edges you haven't touched any endpoint of, so which maybe could allow you to do the solution in the middle of the circle. < 1628114237 889833 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that might work < 1628114297 831608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder whether gplanarity had something like that (untouched lines in gray?) < 1628114422 299209 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I cant find any sort of settings dialog. As far as buttons go, it seems to have just a "mark intersections" and a general show/hide lines which completely hides all lines. < 1628114434 19275 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But dehighlighting untouched lines rings some sort of a bell. < 1628114544 114568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah it highlights lines when you click a point... I guess that's what I'm confusing it with < 1628114549 933754 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1628114701 803063 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't remember that gplanarity gives a score on time too. < 1628114712 866922 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it's changed, or maybe I just forgot. < 1628116071 859016 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628116085 326636 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN #esolangs Cale :realname < 1628116103 370048 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1628116117 812790 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN #esolangs Cale :realname < 1628118417 648176 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: tech_exorcist > 1628119319 501267 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86929&oldid=86736 5* 03Spargle 5* (+184) 10/* Ark: The esolang that is actually kind of useful. */ < 1628119382 624845 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: there's also the original flash game, maybe that had a feature like this < 1628119408 650682 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't recall > 1628119873 941419 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Goblins Operation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86930 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+541) 10Created page with "The ''Goblins Operation'' is an modified goto operation that enables subroutine like behaviors. The operation was created for [[Blood32]] and it is named after the hemoglobin..." > 1628119917 854642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Goblins Operation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86931&oldid=86930 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+30) 10 > 1628120039 890541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Goblins Operation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86932&oldid=86931 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+601) 10 > 1628120062 362312 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Goblins Operation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86933&oldid=86932 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Goblins Operation Example in Blood32 */ > 1628120251 8256 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Goblins Operation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86934 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+35) 10Redirected page to [[The Goblins Operation]] > 1628120343 467638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Goblins Operation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86935&oldid=86933 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+58) 10/* Goblins Operation Example in Blood32 */ > 1628120388 756696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Goblins Operation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86936&oldid=86935 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+22) 10/* Goblins Operation Example in Blood32 */ > 1628120497 174057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Goblins14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86937 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+35) 10Redirected page to [[The Goblins Operation]] > 1628120624 481833 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esoteric algorithm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86938&oldid=75103 5* 03OrichalcumCosmonaut 5* (+0) 10/* Potential Use */ monogamous monotonous > 1628120634 265468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86939&oldid=86226 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+3) 10/* The Goblins Operation */ > 1628120647 2912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86940&oldid=86939 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* The Goblins Operation */ > 1628120695 405502 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86941&oldid=86940 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10/* Pointer operations */ > 1628120796 490502 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Goblins Operation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86942&oldid=86936 5* 03OrichalcumCosmonaut 5* (+1) 10/* Goblins Operation Example in [[Blood32]] */ indicted indicated > 1628121462 25141 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck++++++++++++++++++++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86943&oldid=86514 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+3631) 10added bf69 commands > 1628121499 552542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bf6914]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86944 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+43) 10Redirected page to [[Brainfuck++++++++++++++++++++]] > 1628121518 34643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck+++++++++++++++++++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86945 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+43) 10Redirected page to [[Brainfuck++++++++++++++++++++]] > 1628121549 939467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86946 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+43) 10Redirected page to [[Brainfuck++++++++++++++++++++]] < 1628121640 201559 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh... > 1628121673 497414 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86947&oldid=86928 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-264) 10/* String Output */ Fixed formatting > 1628121758 785646 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck++++++++++++++++++++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86948&oldid=86943 5* 03OrichalcumCosmonaut 5* (+28) 10 is self-modifying, add category < 1628121791 315969 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Uh. > 1628121867 959768 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck++++++++++++++++++++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86949&oldid=86948 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+52) 10 < 1628124555 124720 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628124627 842695 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1628126043 546132 :KeziahMason!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :mnrmnaugh > 1628126071 253007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86950&oldid=86947 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+12401) 10/* Statements */ Added syntax highlighting > 1628127301 33668 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86951&oldid=86950 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+10) 10/* Values */ Fixed links > 1628127491 751571 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86952&oldid=86951 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+59) 10/* Numbers */ Added Infinity and NaN < 1628129141 869595 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1628129239 878210 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1628130527 867732 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1628132151 539610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86953&oldid=86952 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+1547) 10/* System Arg (\<) */ Elaborated and added syntax highlighting > 1628132204 667403 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86954&oldid=86953 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+679) 10/* System Call (\>) */ Added syntax highlighting > 1628132261 792569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86955&oldid=86954 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-7) 10/* Goto (_<) */ Fixed order > 1628132572 371204 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86956&oldid=86955 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+361) 10/* Numbers */ Added dynamic literals > 1628132984 181496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86957&oldid=86956 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+66) 10/* Numbers */ Added Pi and E > 1628133401 635656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86958&oldid=86957 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-1) 10/* Numbers */ Changed wording > 1628133620 287231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86959&oldid=86958 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+28) 10/* V5 */ Changed wording > 1628134413 73422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86960&oldid=86959 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+2295) 10Added System Function section > 1628134697 642357 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86961&oldid=86960 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+18) 10/* General Functions */ Added table > 1628134836 483412 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86962&oldid=86961 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+27) 10/* System Call (\>) */ Added System Function section link > 1628134862 160811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86963&oldid=86962 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+27) 10/* System Arg (\<) */ Added System Function section link < 1628136038 769257 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule > 1628138918 79616 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86964&oldid=86963 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-69) 10/* Math Functions */ Finished table > 1628139189 973119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86965&oldid=86964 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+233) 10/* System Functions */ Elaborated on system functions > 1628139507 627894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:KakkoiiChris.png10]]" < 1628140502 402731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628140625 904411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628141716 373971 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628141778 562073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1628141918 649922 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:KakkoiiChris14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86967 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+937) 10Started page > 1628142042 885122 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Thenewcomposer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86968 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+26) 10Redirect to KakkoiiChris > 1628142066 53003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stacky14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86969 5* 03Braden 5* (+2110) 10Apologies for rough formatting and the not-great article. Feel free to flesh it out as needed. > 1628142099 388186 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Thenewcomposer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86970&oldid=86968 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+5) 10Fixed link > 1628142267 975542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Stacky14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86971 5* 03Braden 5* (+434) 10Created page with "I was nervous to create this page. I'm writing a reference implementation in my free time. It'll be a JIT and it'll include a compiler to convert stacky source code to the obn..." > 1628142391 60597 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Stacky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86972&oldid=86971 5* 03Braden 5* (+177) 10/* Stackyzi */ new section > 1628142432 632199 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86973&oldid=86965 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+53) 10/* Arrays */ Reworded sentences > 1628142473 554225 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86974&oldid=86973 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+6) 10/* Strings */ > 1628142572 290993 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stacky14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86975&oldid=86969 5* 03Braden 5* (+1) 10fixed error in truth machine example (a correct implementation would crash upon trying to pop an empty stack) > 1628142779 626719 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stacky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86976&oldid=86975 5* 03Braden 5* (+1) 10third time's the charm < 1628143342 865826 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1628143586 488261 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86977&oldid=86974 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+552) 10/* Single Access */ Added negative indices < 1628144490 165408 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] KakkoiiChris < 1628144703 923987 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1628144734 966881 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1628144748 423260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86978 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+1839) 10Created page with "'''Todo''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] where functions are called from a queue. Functions are defined and subsequently added to the queue, and can be called when o..." < 1628144779 123025 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1628144907 546357 :KakkoiiChris!~KakkoiiCh@pool-71-244-251-52.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1628149328 141779 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe this was the flash game https://www.kongregate.com/games/qrious/untangle but my browser does not play this flash anymore < 1628150480 87843 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628150783 651625 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628150897 633002 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628153088 182191 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1628153444 208444 :Koen_!~Koen@160.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1628154298 329014 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628157524 204728 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Russian we call the raw photo slide "a negative" but when we mean the opposite color we say "inverted" color, not "negated" < 1628157528 815669 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it the same in your languages? < 1628157605 289013 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :while both words are foreign we have an own word "обратный" but we don't use it here at all AFAIK < 1628157667 252914 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628157747 469470 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't remember where I saw the .negate method instead of .invert that is more intuitive for me < 1628157752 46885 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :API method < 1628158901 25352 :Koen_!~Koen@160.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628159322 866179 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos JOIN #esolangs kspalaiologos :Kamila < 1628159448 29420 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos PRIVMSG #esolangs :what kind of esolangs fame is Chris Pressey himself starring your eso project < 1628159509 758256 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :he's starring every esolang < 1628159543 298383 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably < 1628159597 54923 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hi kspalaiologos, I haven't seen you in a while < 1628159607 94634 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello! < 1628159631 572628 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice to meet you again :) < 1628159656 296012 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've gone a long way since I tried to learn J from you < 1628159676 106919 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you found our new home. we can't hide from you. < 1628159717 929705 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha, i guess I'll be haunting you from now ;) < 1628160280 899284 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Pineal Gland Optics > 1628161800 5486 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Seed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86979&oldid=84881 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (-2) 10update the URL < 1628164465 721825 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1628165152 452809 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I keep playing with telegram channels dump < 1628165169 991618 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there are name for such diagram? https://i.imgur.com/nm93tjy.png < 1628165256 459866 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when I google "heatmap" none of them has a col width of 1 pixel < 1628165348 640606 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also no log axis > 1628166051 86242 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86980&oldid=86894 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+6) 10 > 1628166098 613088 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86981&oldid=86978 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+23) 10authorship < 1628166690 834886 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's a relative of the strip chart and the ridgeline plot, but not exactly either of those. < 1628166942 161793 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And also of the rug plot, which is a thing where you add a tick exactly like that near an axis to illustrate the marginal distribution in that direction. < 1628167096 369398 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, there is a name for it: barcode chart. < 1628167176 687933 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least according to https://www.darkhorseanalytics.com/blog/visualizing-distributions-3 -- it's just that except more than one of them. < 1628168034 63062 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, "barcode" looks like that < 1628168053 895993 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but my one also has a lightness value < 1628168099 923615 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :without logarithmic lightness it was looking like this https://i.imgur.com/8ZGsRYW.png < 1628168357 517421 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's part of it, as described there. "-- usually with some transparency or a colour scale to deal with multiple points of the same value." < 1628168378 12009 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think that generalizes to "or values so close they can't be rendered as distinct lines.") < 1628169293 687209 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: cable management etc. < 1628169328 91664 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I often skip the text ( > 1628169702 863664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Siterip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86982&oldid=70258 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-31) 10Remove empty ref list < 1628170339 849936 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1628170534 282226 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628170627 645607 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628171624 530672 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628172611 313081 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628174843 174387 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628175559 724916 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628175732 335945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628176234 900514 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628176259 649547 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628177235 882522 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1628179641 165693 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628181983 819489 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1628182946 724248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628183298 329792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628184505 64099 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1628186326 782749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86983&oldid=86981 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+21) 10needed a literal, sorry I wont post unfinished langs ever again. but tbf it is called todo > 1628186350 767203 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86984&oldid=86983 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (-2) 10/* Commands */ > 1628186370 373480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86985&oldid=86984 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+3) 10/* Commands */ < 1628186507 803127 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628186658 242700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628186877 915364 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1628186992 205320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86986 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+8238) 10Created page with "Functionality is an esoteric programming language written by [[User:Dominicentek]] with the goal being having the most functionality as possible. == Instructions == {| class="..." > 1628187023 340333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86987&oldid=86986 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+18) 10Fixed missing table styling < 1628187094 243728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628187553 206360 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628187653 306570 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628187670 166974 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician > 1628187796 414984 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86988&oldid=86987 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+177) 10 > 1628187920 534434 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86989&oldid=86904 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+20) 10/* F */ > 1628187971 435695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86990&oldid=86988 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+18) 10Another fix for wiki table styling > 1628188069 559583 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86991&oldid=86990 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+39) 10Yet another 2 fixes < 1628188280 245201 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628188297 164271 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628188397 247443 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628188414 170212 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628188423 677994 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628188523 768702 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628188541 165227 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628188763 248124 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628188780 163180 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628188880 246221 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628188897 164382 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628189016 839934 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628189034 163445 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628189134 250641 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628189151 164092 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628189162 951362 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628189189 973538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628189372 245523 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628189389 213941 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628189489 247151 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628189506 174216 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628189606 252665 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628189623 163356 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628189723 247704 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1628190126 628685 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Portsy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86992 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+6956) 10Part 0 > 1628190179 327848 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Portsy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86993&oldid=86992 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-45) 10Forgot to add < 1628190805 771206 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`smlist 524 < 1628190808 10668 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :smlist 524: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale < 1628190844 630733 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? smlist < 1628190847 153424 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Non-update notification for the webcomic Super Mega. < 1628191663 338999 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1628194265 301236 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628194516 244715 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@h-98-128-227-192.A295.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1628194596 961483 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1628196334 595877 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628196386 161950 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@h-98-128-227-192.A295.priv.bahnhof.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628196826 833729 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 JOIN #esolangs mich181189 :Michael < 1628197178 828105 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch > 1628199279 627059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86994&oldid=86989 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+11) 10added todo < 1628201275 161796 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1628201749 15290 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628202105 591940 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628202777 939156 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1628203335 521127 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: tech_exorcist < 1628203615 476279 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1628206320 522902 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628206482 341752 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1628207029 320162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86995&oldid=86985 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10Cats > 1628207214 158881 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86996&oldid=86918 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-17) 10Fix name, rm redundant pipe < 1628208150 955892 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :One idea I have is adding a format code into printf and scanf to indicate that this format string is used only to indicate the type and that the actual format string to use will be the next one (which might not use all of the data arguments, but it can know the type of arguments that are skipped, as well as other uses) > 1628208171 905428 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86997&oldid=86995 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+12) 10added word to imply sequence > 1628211771 600886 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86998&oldid=86977 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-90) 10/* Less (x < y) */ Fixed formatting > 1628211882 715163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86999&oldid=86998 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-12) 10/* Assign (x = y) */ Fixed formatting > 1628211939 207343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87000&oldid=86999 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-138) 10/* String Input */ Fixed colors < 1628211993 497870 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there TeX implemented in PostScript, so that it is possible for PostScript codes to interfere with TeX codes (rather than only executing PostScript codes after TeX is finished)? < 1628216429 94095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: well, you could probably *compile* TeX into postscript with a custom translator < 1628216643 247618 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, but: [1] I don't know of any such translator. [2] It won't be as good as doing it properly. [3] It will not interact with PostScript codes very well unless it is modified to do so. < 1628216898 937293 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, you'd have to write a translator < 1628216902 865347 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean properly? < 1628216911 145378 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the proper way to run TeX is to use its original code < 1628216925 479298 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if you want to implement it in postscript, you compile the original code rather than reimplement it < 1628216976 828799 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could do it like pdflatex in that you don't use the part that writes the DVI to a file, and just run graphics primitives immediately < 1628216983 723712 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the part that does the layout is worth to keep < 1628216990 21723 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, of course, if you do it the other way then it won't be TeX, but it will be similar. But, if PostScript codes are to interfere with TeX codes then it won't be TeX, it will be almost-TeX, I suppose. < 1628217033 527690 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In order to implement text formatting properly, probably another node type might be helpful, so that it can work properly if split across lines and pages, too. < 1628217243 701824 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course you would run the graphics primitives directly, but my idea is to do that during the \shipout operation (which would render a box and then the PostScript showpage operator) < 1628217365 378462 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since it is not quite TeX, this also means \immediate could be usable with boxes too, in case you do want to render it immediately (possibly due to wanting to implement the page layout in PostScript) < 1628217753 64612 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, PostScript has its own memory management, too. < 1628220738 220180 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :An alternative possibility would be implementing the typesetting algorithms of TeX in PostScript; it will not be compatible, although for some purposes it can be used. The token input of TeX can then also be implemented, too. < 1628222885 453090 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1628224202 935693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87001&oldid=86997 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+18) 10year category < 1628225190 236765 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628225295 233732 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 JOIN #esolangs ^[ :user > 1628225886 858404 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87002&oldid=87001 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+301) 10truth machine > 1628226009 151416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87003&oldid=87002 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+112) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1628226532 970324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87004&oldid=87003 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+251) 10fib + code credit < 1628228097 901261 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Today, a few times I turned on TI-92 calculator it reset the contrast (although no files or settings were lost, other than the contrast setting). It doesn't reset the contrast every time < 1628229678 748572 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628231126 277894 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1628231152 924300 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1628231200 764045 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1628231340 883278 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628231837 251604 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628231858 984583 :twoC!~2c@173.44.49.91.adsl.inet-telecom.org JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1628232404 380458 :twoC!~2c@173.44.49.91.adsl.inet-telecom.org QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628234857 468653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628236309 323057 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628237155 668832 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628237278 782076 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628237325 628943 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628240282 950811 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol I've CTCP sent a nickname to an offline IRC user named "version" < 1628240319 941581 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just can't remember the syntax; I suppose if you are online under the "version" nickname you'll get a lot of these > 1628240353 724802 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlinnScrip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87005&oldid=86661 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+190) 10/* loadallfile() */ < 1628240359 393236 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it probably won't even be classified as "mocking the network services" > 1628240406 805750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlinnScrip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87006&oldid=87005 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (-1) 10 > 1628240822 88284 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlinnScrip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87007&oldid=87006 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+144) 10/* Function Commands */ < 1628240994 246538 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson > 1628241980 33125 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:RocketRace14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87008&oldid=71231 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+346) 10/* I've got a request for you */ new section > 1628242567 451709 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlinnScrip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87009&oldid=87007 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+13) 10/* File I/O Commands */ > 1628242644 505242 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlinnScrip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87010&oldid=87009 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+36) 10/* File I/O Commands */ < 1628242946 217168 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/kspalaiologos/malbolge-lisp < 1628242987 267259 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder why it's in 7z < 1628245571 850604 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628247084 723656 :tech_exorcist_!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628247164 839190 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628247292 888443 :tech_exorcist_!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628247317 26313 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him > 1628253613 877638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Haltingfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87011 5* 03Silver 5* (+565) 10actually, not sure this is right < 1628254525 13510 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628254543 633294 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628258659 245677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628263220 297228 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1628264838 225191 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1628265534 754927 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1628267146 823464 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628267929 728364 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628267957 657814 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628268169 629927 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628268190 820001 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628268529 874170 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode > 1628269751 587291 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87012&oldid=86768 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+645) 10fj.py, wflip 1-op > 1628269946 348704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87013&oldid=87012 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+1) 10/* How To Run? */ > 1628269982 371338 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87014&oldid=87013 5* 03Tomhe 5* (-21) 10/* How To Run? */ < 1628271154 823294 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The syntax to send the CTCP is the same as other messages, it is PRIVMSG and then the target nick name and then the colon and data, but the data uses the CTRL+A before and after > 1628271386 790953 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Epicbebra14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87015 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+11) 10Created page with "Coming soon" > 1628274113 670475 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87016&oldid=86929 5* 03Spargle 5* (+116) 10/* Ark: The esolang that is actually kind of useful. */ > 1628274137 282531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87017&oldid=87016 5* 03Spargle 5* (+1) 10/* note: when printing a string like this: **!B !L !A !H**, you must put a space in between each character. */ < 1628274175 502491 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs immibis :realname < 1628275272 625876 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1628275775 191712 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1628276056 486862 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628276076 826226 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628276132 652932 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Client Quit < 1628276151 817283 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628279366 65468 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: bbl (hopefully; if not, see you in 3 weeks) < 1628279799 875150 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1628280060 933324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1628282618 569063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes those freefall robots are a little too creative for their own good > 1628283123 589190 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87018&oldid=86153 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-5) 10/* Esolangs */ < 1628283458 132324 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the danger of indefinite pronouns < 1628283498 955379 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why isn't it "indefinitive"... < 1628283546 294660 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :confused by pronouns... indefinitely < 1628283605 395788 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm *actually* confused, too... "it" is a definite pronoun) < 1628284498 463988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION wonders if int-e is responding to him but can see no pronoun ambiguity in what he wrote
< 1628284584 869451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( the danger of indefinite context ) < 1628284700 493152 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: the FF comic has a subject confusion < 1628284713 502773 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or object confusion, whatever < 1628286583 437998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh duh < 1628286603 235409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( forget my own head next ) < 1628286648 355813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION was archive binging girl genius a bit to see if that lady in today's last panel was in the museum they'd visited, but no.
< 1628286722 507813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i suppose it would be easier with colors < 1628286839 879744 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628286847 540164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait is it a lady < 1628286922 152061 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, didn't read that because I got distracted by the lack of colors < 1628286940 911353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(causing me to check back on last Friday's comic which is still uncolored) < 1628287003 381628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1628287032 936152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it doesn't resemble lord moonbark, so probably a lady, but have we seen her before? < 1628287082 193595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't she resemble Agatha... < 1628287141 694728 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Colors (like hair color) would help :P And we are in a time traveling universe. < 1628287240 656597 :dermato!~dermatobr@cpe-70-114-219-76.austin.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato < 1628287264 862071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :she does. but i don't think agatha was in such a position before they got her mother removed. < 1628287299 83626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then, how about Lucrecia herself < 1628287330 777517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess we'll see. < 1628287342 916438 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's my usual attitude to GG these days. < 1628287381 686773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a hunch the mirrors aren't how the time travel is done, though. (remember van rijn'r prisoner who disappeared with a poof?) < 1628287391 153890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would have to archive binge regularly to keep track of the myriad of plot lines. < 1628287406 658250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and was presumably lucrezia) < 1628287498 489946 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :We've seen them in action *once* and a couple of flashbacks... but yeah, it was consistent with pure teleportation. < 1628287513 912367 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(As far as I recall) < 1628287578 143989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well there are also the window apparitions agatha and dupree saw, but that was still "mirror" on only one end < 1628287640 509359 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But those *were* traveling in time? < 1628287655 587836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1628287677 919114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least the ones with future agatha etc. on the other side < 1628287711 586193 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess technically they wouldn't have to be... they could be time traveling by other means and then use a mirror-like device to scan around :P < 1628287728 793801 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But... that seems overly complicated even by GG standards. < 1628288056 888241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :back to "we'll see", then. < 1628288783 483673 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe smoke is involved too, not just mirrors < 1628289072 711057 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1628289380 902993 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs PinealGlandOptic :Pineal Gland Optics < 1628289744 64985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1628292909 296792 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628293070 842023 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1628293354 134780 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BSS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87019&oldid=80628 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10Unpipe, cat > 1628293986 579699 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87020&oldid=86689 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10Cats > 1628294017 503586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87021&oldid=86994 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10/* L */ LCode > 1628306410 985099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87022&oldid=73615 5* 03Razetime 5* (+63) 10 > 1628306518 354544 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87023&oldid=87022 5* 03Razetime 5* (+11) 10 > 1628306619 848266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87024&oldid=87023 5* 03Razetime 5* (-6) 10 > 1628306710 716377 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87025&oldid=87024 5* 03Razetime 5* (-10) 10 > 1628306739 452013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87026&oldid=87025 5* 03Razetime 5* (+9) 10 > 1628306772 519426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87027&oldid=87026 5* 03Razetime 5* (+10) 10 > 1628306805 414302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87028&oldid=87027 5* 03Razetime 5* (+2) 10 > 1628306830 831540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87029&oldid=87028 5* 03Razetime 5* (+0) 10 > 1628306887 172806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87030&oldid=87029 5* 03Razetime 5* (+7) 10 > 1628306910 465419 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87031&oldid=87000 5* 03Razetime 5* (-45) 10 > 1628310506 837128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87032&oldid=87031 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-4) 10/* Characters */ Fixed typo > 1628310768 708198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87033&oldid=87032 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+18) 10/* REPL */ Fixed formatting > 1628316157 452551 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlinnScrip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87034&oldid=87010 5* 03Ais523 5* (+400) 10this is TC > 1628316316 617855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Numbers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87035&oldid=86320 5* 03Xorol 5* (+829) 10 > 1628316336 53112 PRIVMSG #esolangs 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error: Connection reset by peer < 1628323429 10808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628323523 879883 :scjosh8!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 JOIN #esolangs scjosh :Josh < 1628323582 656489 :dermato!~dermatobr@cpe-70-114-219-76.austin.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1628323585 636000 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628323632 666779 :scjosh!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1628323633 36052 :scjosh8!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 NICK :scjosh < 1628323707 908738 :dermato!~dermatobr@cpe-70-114-219-76.austin.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato < 1628323722 634774 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628324301 879230 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1628328009 965910 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628328939 391856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1628343360 130999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MCBlocks14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87038&oldid=86688 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* See also */ Cat < 1628344323 538927 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628344348 635933 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1628345245 759438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SemicolonHash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87039&oldid=86600 5* 03Xorol 5* (+208) 10Added a python implementation > 1628348388 509533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03PandaQwanda 5* 10New user account < 1628352981 438505 :mcfrdy!~mcfrdy@user/mcfrdy QUIT :Quit: quit < 1628353008 299098 :mcfrdy!~mcfrdy@user/mcfrdy JOIN #esolangs mcfrdy :mcfrdy < 1628353582 205969 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1628353849 828625 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is a multicodec number for murmur3-128, but the 128-bit version 3 MurmurHash depends on the computer type, and the multicodec specification does not (as far as I know) specify the computer type. This would mean that code 0x22 is worthless for use in files, URIs, etc; it still might be meaningful to pass as the argument to identify the hash type in a library to compute the hashes, for in memory use only. < 1628354904 946659 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628355036 71604 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :rodgort < 1628355762 184903 :mcfrdy!~mcfrdy@user/mcfrdy QUIT :Quit: quit < 1628355784 656824 :mcfrdy!~mcfrdy@user/mcfrdy JOIN #esolangs mcfrdy :mcfrdy < 1628357195 934718 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Did you know that "deer" rhymes with "mirror"? I didn't. < 1628361429 625211 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do cares have stirring wills? < 1628362029 134968 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of my favourite subs: https://www.reddit.com/r/holdmydeer/ < 1628362489 789060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628363143 249069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1628365950 250024 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1628367199 986434 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so < 1628367211 183921 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :conlang critic is doing a pokerap in toki pona < 1628367623 635351 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1628368425 762913 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no < 1628369628 303058 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: pokerap? < 1628369639 530953 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga PRIVMSG #esolangs :I saw there was a video review some time ago for Toki Pona < 1628375081 935223 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`smlist 525 < 1628375084 134396 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :smlist 525: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale > 1628375407 569614 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL2 vCPU14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87040 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (+414) 10Created page with "==Overview== The PL2 vCPU is a currently in-progress esoteric C++ virtual CPU made by [[User:TeamLightning|TeamLightning]] as a lower-level successor to [[PainLang]]. As of th..." > 1628375617 467535 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TeamLightning14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87041&oldid=83611 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (+71) 10 > 1628375715 31142 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TeamLightning14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87042&oldid=87041 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (+1) 10 < 1628375850 210988 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628375873 891332 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode > 1628375917 443567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PainLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87043&oldid=83694 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (+11) 10Updated /*Computational class*/ to reflect changeable tape length > 1628376397 459525 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL2 vCPU14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87044&oldid=87040 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (+82) 10Added categories > 1628376422 555894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL2 vCPU14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87045&oldid=87044 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (-1) 10one too many colons > 1628376668 122090 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL2 vCPU14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87046&oldid=87045 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (-4) 10/* Implementations */ update to change "I know of" to "known" < 1628377125 316507 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net JOIN #esolangs * :TeamLightning < 1628377859 564088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1628378731 683274 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL2 vCPU14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87047&oldid=87046 5* 03Ais523 5* (-14) 10per policy, make sure that the User: prefix on links to userspace is visible < 1628386132 681150 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628386314 842817 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628386358 949990 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628388877 627694 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:55d2:a8d9:e00b:3a3a JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1628388959 878528 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1df:9f45:a279:94ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628389387 205452 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net JOIN #esolangs * :TeamLightning < 1628392144 978950 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628392159 260297 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN #esolangs dbohdan :ZNC - https://znc.in > 1628392261 533056 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87048 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+192) 10Created page with "'''Heck''' is a programing language designed such that source code is expressible as a hexadecimal number. It was created by [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] in 2021. The interprete..." > 1628392477 891884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87049&oldid=87048 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+127) 10 > 1628392492 665296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87050&oldid=87049 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-2) 10 > 1628392551 859395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87051&oldid=87050 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10 < 1628392831 306884 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1628393292 15975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87052&oldid=87051 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+840) 10 > 1628393324 653399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87053&oldid=87052 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-2) 10/* Operations in Heck */ > 1628393359 113872 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87054&oldid=87053 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10 > 1628393734 158477 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87055&oldid=87054 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+263) 10 < 1628393801 330590 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION thinks about giving up with the idea to make a RASEL IDE with GUI libraries
< 1628393828 124202 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the GUI libraries that use the common OS primitives > 1628393842 795883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87056&oldid=87055 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+68) 10/* Grammar */ < 1628393864 906026 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead I'll probably rather make it in more stupid way -- using ruby2d, working with primitives, like Rectangle, key press events and stuff < 1628393912 855532 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no text inputs and dialogs though < 1628393983 466028 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you'll run the program immediately specifying a single file you edit < 1628394005 336073 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :something like .rasela extension meaning "annotated rasel" < 1628394217 908840 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and bin/rasel-convert to convert between them > 1628394328 478117 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87057&oldid=87056 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+63) 10 > 1628394499 837700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87058&oldid=87057 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+24) 10/* Hello World */ > 1628394714 150515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87059&oldid=87058 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+156) 10 < 1628394720 535192 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oooooor < 1628394749 857486 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could make it in JS/CSS http://localhost < 1628394764 270452 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suck in CSS though > 1628394779 582176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87060&oldid=87059 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10 > 1628395098 398012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87061&oldid=87018 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+98) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1628395148 409233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87062&oldid=87061 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+11) 10/* Esolangs */ < 1628395394 285543 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :20:32:35 The syntax to send the CTCP is the same as other messages < 1628395426 470065 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe, but in the IRC client I'm not writing raw messages, I'm using the shortcuts provided < 1628395447 53238 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :such as /nickserv info -- it's not /nickserv info < 1628395479 678403 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and so /ctcp version is intuitive but invalid < 1628395619 323232 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*wrong > 1628395936 146339 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87063&oldid=87004 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+13) 10shh < 1628395954 131761 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, /nickserv is not an irc command. > 1628395960 523879 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Todo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87064&oldid=87063 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (-2) 10shhh < 1628396081 12990 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :neither is ctcp < 1628396259 84856 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :NICKSERV (which can be abbreviated as NS) is a common extension, even though it is not a standard IRC command < 1628396838 236501 :shikhin!~shikhin@offtopia/offtopian QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1628396846 499805 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1628396853 261723 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf JOIN #esolangs shachaf :Shachaf Ben-Kiki < 1628396854 260517 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space JOIN #esolangs * :shikhin < 1628396900 575655 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :offtopia/offtopian < 1628398296 164876 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but /nickserv is just an abbreviation for /msg nickserv and does follow the format /command message < 1628399007 978634 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could just as well make /info as an alias for /msg nickserv info < 1628399124 846691 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs : /ctcp is just an abbreviation too < 1628403114 205943 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628403935 795846 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1628404070 831947 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628404071 55848 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1628408728 518654 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1FXQMmXYoA < 1628410088 627789 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628410243 630209 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628413262 532443 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628414874 191960 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1628415858 209007 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1628415988 302942 :integral!sid296274@user/integral QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628415988 649108 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628416004 418102 :jinn!~jinn@d.jinn.army QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1628416007 622617 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1628416010 341361 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628416050 272206 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628416050 294437 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:Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628426165 893074 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar > 1628427949 151083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87065&oldid=87060 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+156) 10 > 1628428232 561898 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87066&oldid=87065 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+141) 10 > 1628428307 702313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87067&oldid=87066 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* Hello World */ > 1628428325 381274 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87068&oldid=87067 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10/* Hello World */ > 1628428661 762214 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87069&oldid=87068 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10 < 1628429237 23279 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1628429530 293230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87070&oldid=87069 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+22) 10 > 1628429703 254626 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87071&oldid=87070 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+119) 10 > 1628429720 577329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87072&oldid=87071 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1) 10 > 1628429811 198094 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87073&oldid=87072 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10 > 1628429879 190025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87074&oldid=87073 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+25) 10/* Syntax and Grammar in EBNF */ < 1628431607 585752 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1628432144 853422 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628432288 585214 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1628433719 225558 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:55d2:a8d9:e00b:3a3a QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1628433745 302865 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:55d2:a8d9:e00b:3a3a JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1628434366 247169 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net JOIN #esolangs * :TeamLightning < 1628434422 270860 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :philosomnaugh > 1628435120 796732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87075&oldid=87033 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+124) 10/* Numbers */ Added the random and size dynamic literals < 1628435360 766396 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: freenode has NICKSERV as a command alias which sends privmsg to NickServ. this has the advantage that if you typo NickServ's name, you won't send your nickserv password to someone phishing for them < 1628435381 380545 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is not a problem if you're using a client-side alias instead of course > 1628436008 183176 PRIVMSG #esolangs 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#esolangs imode :imode < 1628445369 842477 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1628446741 939735 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628446766 637830 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628447379 271584 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN #esolangs tiggilyboo :simon < 1628447448 288187 :tiggilyboo!~tiggilybo@82-197-202-43.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628448486 928050 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628448522 333316 :Argorok!sid195487@stonehaven.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628448662 638955 :Argorok!sid195487@stonehaven.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :Argorok < 1628450223 638331 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar > 1628450333 876449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87080&oldid=86748 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+32) 10 > 1628451863 171497 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87081&oldid=86991 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+2) 10Fixed typo < 1628452037 246769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1628452391 441811 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628454628 970158 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1628457459 640021 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628457642 635386 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628458016 150024 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh the ꙮ got a mention in xkcd this week. < 1628458066 823671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`' ꙮ < 1628458069 53780 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1125) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1628458815 907822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm somehow i've missed 2 xkcds < 1628458914 256988 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Pineal Gland Optics < 1628458926 525657 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, I mentioned that < 1628458953 252813 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-08.html#lBh < 1628459277 118259 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Truly my greatest work. > 1628459966 678653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PainLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87082&oldid=87043 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (-14) 10/* Overview */ changed link text to include User: on userspace link > 1628460598 668248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL2 vCPU14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87083&oldid=87047 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (+25) 10changed implementations to state that the only known implementation also covers the PL2 assembler < 1628460690 154365 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628460723 629276 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1628461522 367415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL2 vCPU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87084&oldid=87083 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (+719) 10Added (machine code) Hello World example, changed Overview to state that PL2 is extensible < 1628461611 616368 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill go ahead and apologize in advance for the painful oneliner above edit added, im working on the assembler and will replace that example once the PL2 assembly works < 1628463002 246856 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1628463233 80603 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1628463851 224006 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: oh? < 1628463876 692263 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, alt text to #2497 < 1628463880 865464 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :fine < 1628463886 110650 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i liked multiocular o before it was cool < 1628463910 804581 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :10:45:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1FXQMmXYoA - awesome < 1628466094 400741 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628466260 968042 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628467202 881542 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628467224 638724 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1628468524 204211 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87085&oldid=87075 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+389) 10/* Binary Operators */ Added mod operator section < 1628468686 885214 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.redd.it/46fs3yad25g71.jpg < 1628468706 685762 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I disliked multiocular o before it was cool < 1628469454 310381 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow < 1628469459 589776 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's even cooler than liking it before it was cool < 1628469626 128887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think it's not a specific hate for multiocular o, it's just a general hate for when people substitute the incorrect letter just because it's cool, including using metal umlauts or fake cyrillic < 1628469638 452203 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/ fake / faux / < 1628469892 759545 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :How about when people just drop diacritical marks assuming they can't be that important? < 1628469951 565615 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I don't mind that too much except in a few cases where there is an ambiguity < 1628469960 210238 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hungarian is great for this by the way < 1628470007 172 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like because of the vowel harmony, you can sometimes recover the distinction between o and ö from a suffix < 1628470057 939698 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you can usually guess between a and á and between e and é, or the distinction doesn't matter, though there are a few specific cases where they do matter and cause an ambiguity and you should keep the accent if the context is confusing < 1628470086 583340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I participate in quite some online chat in Hungarian where a lot of users (including me) drop the accents < 1628470087 641898 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember trying to find the most semantically disastrous pairing of words in Finnish distinguished only by a/ä or o/ö differences, but I don't think I came up with any particularly great examples. There's a lot of word pairs with entirely different meanings, but mostly they're just things where substituting the other word in any plausible sense just makes it sound like nonsense. < 1628470130 233787 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although välittää 'to care' and valittaa 'to complain' maybe has some potential. < 1628470142 401611 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe in a relationship setting. < 1628470159 685646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: cꙮl < 1628470169 138687 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: an example I find quite humorous is a certain ad that only shows a domain name "boresmez.hu", which could stand for either "bor és méz" or "bőr és mez". but you can't get this sort of thing if there's more context. < 1628470170 786455 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://gizmodo.com/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two-people-puts-three-m-382026 < 1628470214 596434 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the majority of what actually cause problems in practice are ambiguities in noun suffixes, though there are also a few where the ambiguity is in the word root < 1628470325 104563 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: Oh, that reminds me of the one that actually does regularly come up in IRC conversations, namely näin ("I saw") vs. nain (colloquialism for "I fucked"), especially when you're trying to say you saw someone you knew somewhere. < 1628470796 440897 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ha < 1628470799 631494 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that could be awkward, yes < 1628470802 294939 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1628470808 416916 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yeah, but there are so many words that are slang for sex that they always cause ambiguities. one I particularly hate is "make out" which can mean to percieve < 1628470845 846676 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :usually it's transitive when it means perceive and intransitive when it's about sex, but not always < 1628471355 586561 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh < 1628471390 607909 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :making out doesn't strictly mean sex, at least in american english < 1628471455 367530 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure < 1628471466 59287 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it is conceptually adjacent < 1628471494 574752 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there were a few other English ambiguities similar to this, but I can't recall them right now < 1628478000 474124 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Quit: I 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Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1628485524 373093 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs * :Leah Neukirchen < 1628485527 330492 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs * :HackEso < 1628485580 266311 :daggy1234[m]!~daggy1234@2001:470:69fc:105::d315 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628485580 559252 :craigoverend[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628485593 967042 :int-e_!~noone@int-e.eu NICK :int-e < 1628485615 961396 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1628486113 129578 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have written a binding to sendmsg(2)/recvmsg(2) in Haskell and found that the tests I then wrote did pass, so passing file descriptors over a unix socket with my binding works. < 1628486122 626603 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, I then discoverd something *very annoying*. < 1628486219 239276 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :If a stream socket is used, and one side sends a chunk with some fds, then if the other side receives this section of the message as two chunks, the fds will be attached to the *first* of them. < 1628486293 64042 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is annoying because one might want to send a logical message as one chunk with fds, but have the message include a header that specifies how many fds should be expected (since the receiver must allocate memory to receive them in). < 1628486360 788654 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :So this is not possible, since the receiver cannot receive the header before receiving the fds. < 1628487176 670254 :daggy1234[m]!~daggy1234@2001:470:69fc:105::d315 JOIN #esolangs * :@daggy1234:matrix.org < 1628487177 29411 :craigoverend[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc JOIN #esolangs * :@craigoverend:matrix.org < 1628487242 391134 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then you should have to expect a reply, I suppose < 1628487417 329016 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 JOIN #esolangs * :@fizzie:zem.fi < 1628487993 954883 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since this is because I want to play around with the wayland protocol, I’m looking what they actually do in their own C code, and, well, they buffer outbound messages so basically you can’t know in advance where in the stream the fds are attached at all. You just have to always expect up to 28 (that’s a #define in their code) and maintain a queue of them alongside reading messages from the < 1628487995 886592 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :socket. < 1628488095 995389 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, the Wayland protocol sends file descriptors over a stream socket? < 1628488107 524859 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. < 1628488157 159518 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I guess the best thing to be said in favor of the Wayland protocol is that you're pretty much not allowed to implement it yourself anyway. < 1628488168 575351 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :So it doesn't matter what nonsense they do. < 1628488867 443256 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 JOIN #esolangs Deewiant :@deewiant:maon.fi < 1628489785 310498 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :One of the things they’re used for is to avoid sending bulk data in-band. I think if you copy-paste something, the actual data never passes through the server, one client just sends an fd which the server then sends to another client who can then read the clipboard content from it. < 1628490415 673232 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1628490548 710820 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628490548 758039 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1628490852 959198 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:90c7:da5b:b845:b6e9 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1628490853 946317 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs jryans :@jryans:matrix.org < 1628491020 290982 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:55d2:a8d9:e00b:3a3a QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628491202 945605 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:90c7:da5b:b845:b6e9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1628491538 926933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628491995 291815 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:90c7:da5b:b845:b6e9 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1628492278 248545 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:90c7:da5b:b845:b6e9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628492411 940844 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:90c7:da5b:b845:b6e9 JOIN #esolangs * :anon > 1628493343 821975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87086&oldid=84499 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+616) 10 < 1628494382 684783 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Quit: trotz alledem! < 1628494394 304121 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1628496362 635532 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628496516 632087 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628498048 885854 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1 < 1628498069 207771 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly JOIN #esolangs FireFly :firefly < 1628498428 116204 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628498466 382627 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Client Quit < 1628499728 129199 :EPic_!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1628499736 151754 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 > 1628505067 805087 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87087&oldid=80413 5* 03WallGraffiti 5* (+0) 10 < 1628505472 277535 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon JOIN #esolangs nakilon :Victor Maslov < 1628510290 333611 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628510903 423499 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number < 1628511212 544354 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1628512989 123950 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628513483 94907 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch > 1628513734 40071 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Markverb1 5* 10New user account > 1628514002 47206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87088&oldid=86888 5* 03Markverb1 5* (+275) 10added my name to here > 1628514566 517754 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Markverb114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87089 5* 03Markverb1 5* (+551) 10Created page with "mar 1628521384 884602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87090&oldid=86340 5* 03Martsadas 5* (-130) 10 > 1628521595 99328 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87091&oldid=87090 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+23713) 10 < 1628525423 155092 :archenoth!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628526573 129279 :archenoth!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1628527195 944550 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1628527201 566887 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello esotericians < 1628527230 803363 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why?... https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%F0%92%80%B1 < 1628527253 805966 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :Woah!!!! < 1628527259 662044 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats so cool thanks for sharing < 1628527275 205227 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :use it now as a variable identifier < 1628527278 23578 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :everywhere < 1628527453 615050 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.reddit.com/r/Unicode/comments/5qa7e7/widestlongest_unicode_characters_list/ < 1628527522 908497 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs : ̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ < 1628527589 530880 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+130B8#:~:text=Unicode%20Character%20%E2%80%9C%F0%93%82%B8%E2%80%9D%20(U,Egyptian%20Hieroglyph%20D052 < 1628527626 290080 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :omg that's all the alphabet I need 𓂸 < 1628527651 872941 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :𓂸𓂸𓂸𓂸 < 1628527656 716175 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha < 1628527665 95698 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i love unicode < 1628527676 327536 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're adding pregnant men emojis now < 1628527691 787655 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://emojipedia.org/unicode-14.0/ < 1628527700 114725 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :every possible permutation and combination of emojis needs to be added < 1628527777 567015 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1628527910 770692 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :my favourite unicode symbol is "invisible plus" < 1628527924 741392 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :,u invisible plus < 1628527933 541122 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there it is < 1628527956 928567 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :invisible times separator and plus < 1628527987 26924 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :not to be confused with zero width joiner < 1628528036 819731 :Koen_!~Koen@222.172.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1628528927 529159 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :20:08:38 *** 𓂸: Erroneous Nickname < 1628528929 432759 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn < 1628529103 111809 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628529391 124678 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone really should declare a unicode version without useless stuff < 1628529423 907700 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is no need of storing images of pregnant men and shumere symbols on all my devices, I just don't want them < 1628529497 266112 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if you necessarily need a different Unicode version for that, you just need a font with less coverage. < 1628529523 864177 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe < 1628529534 513912 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`' may you live < 1628529535 478081 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :990) "May you live in INVISIBLE TIMES." --Old Chinese proverb. (It can look confusing when written with the proper Unicode.) < 1628529643 822469 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's pretty nifty. It renews the hope of typesetting maths with Unicode alone. < 1628529754 123334 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm ok with ability to use the same application and font to be able to write text to each other using native alphabets of all existing languages on the earth < 1628529800 40932 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but pregnant men isn't a language, it's just a "random" image that I might not want to be inserted in my screen in random chats < 1628529938 128060 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would limit color usage at all < 1628529978 519794 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to only maybe country flags and as a modifier to usual symbols to make is possible to type a red circle, green arrow, etc. < 1628530015 117192 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's a "green arrow"? Doesn't sound like a language, just some random image~ < 1628530039 787776 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, remove colors then < 1628530051 198933 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :apply styles in other ways < 1628530173 66289 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or maybe Unicode's bigger than your individual needs and desires. < 1628530209 641012 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's them who are pushing their personal needs and desires onto my screen < 1628530244 746457 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :pushing their things into a standard < 1628530284 97269 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :forcing my software download the pictures I don't want with every update < 1628530329 198287 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :waah waah < 1628530343 3207 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :who gives a shit < 1628530375 634636 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :aren't there bigger problems in the world < 1628530402 53497 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you also upset about all the flags of countries you don't like and all the symbols of religions you don't adhere to < 1628530403 964935 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's a fallacy. No amount of improvement to Unicode will magically put food onto peoples' plates, for example. < 1628530409 745001 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :why shouldn't unicode be for you and only you < 1628530436 10901 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But yeah, basically, Unicode is an international diplomatic project too, not just an engineering project. < 1628530467 407606 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :where did I say I'm "upset about the flags of countries I don't like"? < 1628530483 514362 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you sound like the people who get angry because starbucks didn't write "merry christmas" on their coffee cup > 1628530484 502796 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smileyface14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87092 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+1399) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=:)}}
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..." < 1628530510 748394 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :don't bring the politics in here < 1628530519 431686 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you already did < 1628530527 288462 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what? < 1628530616 186721 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The position that there is "useless stuff" in Unicode is political. < 1628530625 346029 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah < 1628530678 383408 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Seriously! fizzie had an excellent summary of why in their first reply: You can customize your own display of Unicode in any way that you want, assuming you control your computer. You can choose whichever fonts you like, and you can configure your renderer to avoid wasting energy decoding "useless" code points. < 1628530716 467973 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Going beyond that, altering the shared standard itself, is quite political, even ignoring the geopolitics and diplomacy: You're trying to change policies which affect many people. < 1628530721 570635 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's what the community projects are for < 1628530739 153717 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :reject bad standards, adopting better standards < 1628530781 616784 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are changing the policies that are affecting me < 1628530787 898087 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and all the people < 1628530822 206429 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when my grandma bought a smartphone she didn't accept the policy of getting egyptian dickpics in SMS < 1628530891 120124 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lots of codepages were invented in lots of countries for their local needs and that's what unicode was supposed to solve by uniting the alphabets and the most basic symbols < 1628530894 78293 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it went shit < 1628530920 242011 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ambiguous "they" fallacy. The "they" who produce smartphone fonts (Apple, Google) are not the Unicode Consortium. < 1628530951 741067 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't say apple and google did that < 1628530984 956069 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but they would be able to switch or provide an option to switch to a new standard without shit < 1628531089 602952 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :20:34:27 where did I say I'm "upset about the flags of countries I don't like"? < 1628531098 532677 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the question is still not answered > 1628531098 954714 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87093&oldid=87078 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+62) 10 > 1628531126 680733 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Hing.png10]]" < 1628531209 119588 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was a question not a statement < 1628531252 954596 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay > 1628531342 857871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Hing.png10]]" < 1628531447 749339 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :those who want more symbols can just "customize their own display of Unicode" < 1628531465 545025 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not mine < 1628531526 285676 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the country flags in Unicode are seriously messed up, because the individual flags are not encoded directly, but through their ISO-3166-1 codes, and those codes can be reassigned to entirely unrelated countries, which means that if you encode a flag in unicode, it can be replaced by an entirely different flag later. The whole thing is so new that only like two codes got reassigned so far, and those were < 1628531532 298514 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably before the flags got encoded in unicode this way, but this is the kind of short-sited arrangement by people who don't care what happens after they leave their current job, because they won't be accountable. < 1628531563 706726 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Same as the people who ask for abolishing leap seconds, because it would make their job right now easier, and who cares what happens a hundred years from now. I hate those people.) < 1628531603 729147 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And it looks like not two but three ISO-3166-1 country codes got reassigned so far. < 1628531682 944916 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar < 1628531688 75836 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The whole thing goes against the general idea that unicode code points should have a permanent meaning that isn't changed in the future. Was probably invented by Americans who don't realize how often countries change. < 1628531711 26978 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Really trying to assign two-letter codes to countries was a disastrously stupid idea in first place. < 1628531715 363619 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that's such a bogus situation. Somebody thought that they were being clever, but really they should have given an entire block over for country flags and left the top half unused for expansion. < 1628531793 346624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( What happens if we ever get more than 676 countries? Maybe at that point we'd be too busy fighting to worry about country codes) < 1628531802 84670 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's only an inventory for 676 codes, for a changing pool of about 200 countries. < 1628531830 473202 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Assuming you’re talking about flag emoji … technically the codepoints have fixed meaning: they are simply references to a separate standard (the one which assigns the two-letter codes). < 1628531852 44910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :twist: 677 countries fighting over who doesn't get a two letter country code. < 1628531856 802684 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how often do you use unicode flags anyway? I see them in games and on websites, and browsers are perfectly fine with inserting small gif/png pictures for them, and even if you browser is textual it's fine to write the language as a text < 1628531875 934331 :Koen_!~Koen@222.172.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628531885 639643 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: nah, it's only at 678 countries. at 677 countries, one of them is Taiwan and they can't get one anyway. < 1628531919 425150 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is political < 1628531920 670104 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: too real < 1628531928 357646 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though in practice there are quite some of those codes reserved for things that aren't countries, or aren't countries anymore, but were in too recent past and can't be reassigned yet < 1628531947 629672 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the stupidest part is that they also delete and reassign the corresonding top-level domain names < 1628531988 827347 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not talking about the ones that are reassigned, because nobody really used the west sahara TLD, but about the Yugoslavia ones that were in some use but then got deleted < 1628531997 55764 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was falsely muted on this channel when people brought politics in and I wasn't doing that < 1628531997 485341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the ultimate way to break links < 1628532030 805210 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: there is a taiwan flag emoji tho? https://emojipedia.org/flag-taiwan/ < 1628532074 701332 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or will you finally admit you muted me just because I'm Russian? < 1628532100 205718 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I won't be muted if I was American and just quoting the history of Indians < 1628532271 577706 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you -- users of this channel other than me -- were political; you were saying that this country is bad, this one is good, etc. -- I didn't say that, those were your words, your hate; and then you said a blatant lie that those were my words < 1628532321 240641 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then muted me for a chat message a one page above YOUR hate messages, where I just quoted a historical fact < 1628532512 408642 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just because you can't recognize when you pick political topics, does not mean that the topics weren't political. < 1628532591 390665 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, Yugoslavia and Taiwan sin't political, Russia is < 1628532655 383517 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can't recognize when you apply double standards < 1628532669 861970 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :whats the deal with taiwan? < 1628532701 458737 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: was this today you got muted? < 1628532712 395621 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not today < 1628532716 410884 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1628532760 65297 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I never had an apology for the repetitive hate towards me by a small subset of local users < 1628532807 639601 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont know what happened < 1628532819 549377 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but my advice is forget about it < 1628532823 913488 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it probably doesn't matter < 1628532833 667512 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc > 1628532913 558659 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smileyface14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87096&oldid=87092 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+905) 10 < 1628533042 341693 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan this is annoying < 1628533048 776891 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :they just should sort it out < 1628533053 603571 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :should just* < 1628533082 476418 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree, they should just sort out all problems, then we wouldn't have any problems. < 1628533089 320854 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :+1 < 1628533101 273247 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The first rule of tautology club and all that. < 1628533105 589601 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have a problem with them < 1628533113 248610 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are thousands of kilometers away < 1628533238 935975 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know a girl who studies a lot and learns Chinese to move to China < 1628533297 582157 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean mandarine or whatever it is, I have no clue < 1628533395 642005 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: nah, we're probably happier while nothing is "sorted out", because that's a euphemism for war < 1628534331 183894 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628534772 68679 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would the country code for independent California be? .ca is already taken < 1628535167 777196 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Georgia also already exists < 1628535202 51938 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1628535565 208703 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: us-CA < 1628535670 722344 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's not a 2 letter country code > 1628535709 811436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smileyface14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87097&oldid=87096 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+4380) 10 < 1628535745 355850 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :cf is taken too < 1628535757 139228 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :by the Central African Republic < 1628535820 966778 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact C followed by any of ALIFORN are all taken > 1628535856 122661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smileyface14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87098&oldid=87097 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+50) 10 > 1628535883 451159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Martsadas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87099&oldid=86766 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+30) 10 > 1628535907 877588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Martsadas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87100&oldid=87099 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+0) 10 > 1628535921 40840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Martsadas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87101&oldid=87100 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+4) 10 > 1628535994 969752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smileyface14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87102&oldid=87098 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+0) 10 < 1628536628 696471 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, because there are only 676 two-letter codes and some letters are rare < 1628536663 838928 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1628536677 509747 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there’s 17576 3-letter codes < 1628536685 829594 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe one of those would fit < 1628536711 556130 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or was that language codes > 1628537732 280082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87103&oldid=87081 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-1) 10 < 1628538232 30412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Well, I'm sorry that you feel wronged. < 1628538297 839239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It's hard to never be wrong.) < 1628538463 198276 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmfdeWd0RMk < 1628538466 558875 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i linked this before < 1628538472 452242 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but its good so i have linked it again < 1628540025 643831 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meh. The "joke" (buried in the middle of the video) is basing a system of measurements on 3 units all starting with c: c, the speed of light; cal, the calory, and C_4, the frequency of the middle C. < 1628540040 785016 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :As far as I can tell, the rest is a lecture on units of measurements. < 1628540159 494942 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1628540164 211961 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i thought that was funny < 1628540170 621554 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry you didn't like it as much < 1628540235 6797 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a cute idea but I resent the attempt to waste my time (I clicked around the video until I found the joke instead) < 1628540287 447720 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was wasting time anyway, so I don't resent that bit, but I was left disappointed because I was expecting a pun. < 1628540300 950373 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: is that like the furlong fortnight wahtever the third was unit system? < 1628540310 862905 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The FFF system is mentioned in the video, yes. < 1628540312 876669 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :(firkin) < 1628540318 687916 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm < 1628540325 81065 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i never thought of it as wasting time on purpose < 1628540513 247536 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: it's not exactly the video author's fault; aiui, youtube monetizes videos based on the time people spend watching them < 1628540720 55191 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :farad < 1628540724 348144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or fahrenheit < 1628541784 238928 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`q motio < 1628541785 265849 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :482) FFS, building a perpetual motion machine should not be this hard. < 1628542438 815095 :dermato!~dermatobr@cpe-70-114-219-76.austin.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628542541 81201 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato < 1628543442 132251 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1628543533 47017 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net JOIN #esolangs * :TeamLightning < 1628545083 330247 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( The trick to making a perpetuum mobile is to just keep going. ) < 1628545146 303195 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you need a crank that never stops < 1628545157 232684 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :turning < 1628545180 168694 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Isn't that what all the perpetual motion proponents are, cranks that never stop?" < 1628545229 169808 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`q motio < 1628545230 101825 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :482) FFS, building a perpetual motion machine should not be this hard. < 1628545247 434878 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :still the same < 1628545298 982874 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a song about perpetual motion machine, but the lyrics are in Finnish, so I think you'll miss a lot of it, sorry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE7TOaTv3SI < 1628545304 310335 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The original is in Swedish, I believe. < 1628545348 479758 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it one of those infinite songs? < 1628545353 352281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_is_the_song_that_never_ends < 1628545369 894190 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, it just describes a machine that produces electricity to keep itself going. < 1628545485 381608 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In Swedish, for reasons of fairness and equal time and all that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtua8rqCNC0 < 1628545670 357639 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did find an a cappella group doing a version in English at a live show in South Korea too, but... < 1628546575 634495 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam > 1628547031 423118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL2 vCPU14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87104&oldid=87084 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (+25) 10Changed Hello World to PL2 ASM, changed commit. < 1628547038 164829 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :where is fungot < 1628547087 683160 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just wanted to ask him if he's perpetual but he appears to be not _-- < 1628547443 693276 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, huh. < 1628547550 882752 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It'll have been that TCP connection thing we discussed the last time this happened. < 1628547583 541114 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which I said it won't help to solve until I can teach the Befunge part to (a) persist the ignore list and (b) autojoin channels, which takes some :effort:. < 1628547588 490739 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let's just fix it manually again. < 1628547598 492865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( optimistic TCP: the connection is half open ) < 1628547628 678565 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a JOIN #esolangs fungot :fungot-0.1 < 1628547643 435133 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It dropped off already on Aug 4 and I didn't notice. :/ < 1628547697 616364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style < 1628547697 644376 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1628547706 729820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: what ircs you, my friend? < 1628547706 836236 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: s/ thins/ this/ < 1628547792 94998 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, is the future always in motion? < 1628547792 454213 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: or is there some way to represent the fnord system and all local names are determined in the binary to install. < 1628547850 248292 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1628549733 24799 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hate to do temporal workarounds and doing things in the unplanned order < 1628549745 311059 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so velik is currently waiting for when I finish making my monitoring thing < 1628549766 810187 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it weights when google fix the bug on their side < 1628549769 982484 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*waits < 1628549887 200821 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I have no idea when it will be fixed because their ticket shows up as "195636524[Details unavailable.]" < 1628549905 966461 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(195 mln tickets?...) < 1628550483 280880 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tempted to look that up, but I couldn't comment even if I did, so it'd be pretty pointless. < 1628551896 95815 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what? you can look up internal google tickets? < 1628552102 998049 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I work there, and most of the time bugs with numbers like that are viewable to all employees. Though that might well be one of the exceptions, if it's a customer issue and might contain some identifying details. < 1628552192 286289 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah < 1628552213 903962 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for how long you work there? < 1628552242 836395 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :For a while now, since 2015. < 1628552514 836343 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's cool; the Moscow office isn't for devs, only for client managers < 1628552569 644405 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :AFAIK < 1628552926 438893 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what problems are you solving there? < 1628552951 420733 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re offices, from what I've heard, the Helsinki office has like 12 people in it. And is just a few rented rooms in a building. Haven't even visited. < 1628553014 758017 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In terms of that, I've been keeping it on the level of "Android app development", that way I don't have to worry about what's public and what's not. < 1628553042 870114 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there's Cloud folks in our building somewhere though. < 1628553075 705378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :rainmakers < 1628553077 740782 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And Deepmind used to have two floors of it, they're the sexy and mysterious ones. Had it all locked down and everything. < 1628553128 878032 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was a robotics lab or two in the floor plans in their bit. < 1628553162 780220 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(They've moved out now.) < 1628553377 401995 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you seen a fancy 'g"-shaped chair? < 1628553465 438675 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is one on the floor here where they do public meetups < 1628553513 648875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1628553581 259786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ok, i interpreted the previous girl genius wrong, but at least i can blame the initial lack of color. < 1628553611 425087 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh they have it in google street view https://goo.gl/maps/wd5fpPybgA4GNy9KA < 1628553763 739516 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :chair is gone; but looks like you can have a virtual walk in the working space; they blurred a lot < 1628553785 542130 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Was going to say, not seeing a g-shaped chair. < 1628553888 106417 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628554141 994879 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've not been to that many offices, but of the ones I've been to, I think the Zürich one's been the most whimsical. They've got a lot of these old ski lift cabins redecorated and repurposed for ad-hoc meetings. No Street View, though. > 1628554149 299102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87105&oldid=87091 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+530) 10Fxi mrinoer tpyose < 1628555795 388740 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: so you still work at Google? also the chairs are g-shaped when viewed from which direction? are they rocking chairs? < 1628555814 633853 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't seen these chairs. < 1628555848 37433 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We've got some vaguely S-shaped chairs in some of the non-working spaces, I think they're a moderately well-known designer chair. < 1628555880 348841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :all you need to change S to g is to push hard in the right place hth < 1628555888 770052 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panton_Chair <- those things < 1628555908 827434 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"The world's first moulded plastic chair, it is considered to be one of the masterpieces of Danish design." < 1628556044 117766 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that's S-shaped without the top of the S. that's easy. < 1628556125 156273 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I still don't remember who that is though :P < 1628556126 344943 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1628556237 176989 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/ZhywAwZ.png < 1628556257 245806 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION sighs about his idea of making IDE in CSS
< 1628556287 726192 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats an idea that pains me very much < 1628556290 838819 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :please try it < 1628556296 14085 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :_-- < 1628556335 197835 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you even do that? < 1628556341 910038 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :is css that advanced? < 1628556354 432660 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's js, jquery < 1628556384 302481 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :not the object Object < 1628556388 6724 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :making IDE in CSS < 1628556461 987735 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :found the chair https://www.setaprint.net/2015/07/letter-g-chair/ < 1628556467 84076 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it was painted in brand colors < 1628556747 634688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1628557053 276095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: that's lord moonbark, who i specifically excluded it being < 1628557112 511454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: he's the one who showed gil and trelawney thorpe the mirror in londinium < 1628557155 910467 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so many traitors < 1628557372 518410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i was also confused by him fashionably wearing different clothes every time he appears > 1628557452 733154 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Numbers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87106&oldid=87036 5* 03Xorol 5* (-49) 10 < 1628557495 537994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i suppose a lot of the cast do that, but somehow that made it easier to believe it wasn't him on the first checking < 1628557619 495738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( well we _are_ talking about a comic that has regularly made paper doll outfits as fan service ) < 1628557663 282299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :might be about time for a new intermission with H. Fashion Clank < 1628557980 657815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or another month of the circus people doing a radio show? < 1628558003 263425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this comic has had soooo many intermissions < 1628558019 619816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :tbf it is a rather long-running one too < 1628558701 183901 :sprokl!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1628558708 734139 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1628558709 142679 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628558709 191490 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628558720 679459 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1628558758 628525 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Numbers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87107&oldid=87106 5* 03Xorol 5* (+470) 10Added a proof of turing-completeness < 1628558796 36726 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN #esolangs Cale :realname < 1628558838 798873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: and it's one of multiple comics that #esoteric is so much into that I keep consider if I should binge read it at some point. especially as I believe #esoteric,'s recommendation was most of what pushed me to read OotS, and I enjoy OotS a lot < 1628558875 310413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: i don't remember it being the circus people, thought it was the foglio author avatars < 1628558900 773906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although back when it ran, that may have been less obvious < 1628558934 882945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? comics < 1628558938 525695 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Recommended comics include Yet Another Genius Gamer, Stuck Girl, Home of the Order, and Fantasy Stick Comic. The content of this list is not to be questioned. < 1628558941 153755 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: you're more likely to be right than I am < 1628558943 503024 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::P < 1628558949 591702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :OF COURSE I AM < 1628558956 842465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although maybe i should check < 1628558970 356834 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, I don't recall that thing < 1628559024 386917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? o < 1628559026 149831 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :o is a popular comedy fantasy webcomic. It's about a group called the Order of the Stick, as they go about their adventures with minimal competence, and eventually stumble into a plan by an undead sorcerer to conquer the world, and they're out to stop him and conquer their personal problems at the same time. Hopefully not in that order. < 1628559031 202934 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? olist < 1628559032 878781 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist is update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html < 1628559168 378945 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? g < 1628559170 73861 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :g? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1628559178 418943 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? glist < 1628559179 439559 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? slist < 1628559180 49668 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :glist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1628559181 115488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? smlist < 1628559181 585902 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck. < 1628559183 545906 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Non-update notification for the webcomic Super Mega. < 1628559190 294931 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? gglist < 1628559191 853744 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :gglist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1628559230 50939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? xkcdlist < 1628559231 666068 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :xkcdlist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1628559237 835079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: girl genius updates too regularly to have a list < 1628559238 491418 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? iwclist < 1628559240 318176 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iwclist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1628559248 196867 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1628559266 364502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? swlist < 1628559268 53904 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :swlist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1628559268 963933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yafgc could be debated, but it updates frequently when it does < 1628559282 570433 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and IWC updates regularly except it updates an hour earlier than it should < 1628559307 179944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? ksbdlist < 1628559310 214129 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ksbdlist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1628559313 501825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i haven't got back to iwc since my hiatus < 1628559343 85444 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(sw is something some people here might recognize... if someone guesses ksbd that would surprise me a little bit, I guess) < 1628559432 911524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually I'm reading two comics that fit "sw", fun. < 1628559452 376481 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to ring the pbflist, but then I started disliking that comic strip so I stopped with the update notifications, but also didn't dare to remove the command or the wisdom < 1628559456 433776 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I should abbreviate one of them as s&w instead < 1628559479 125670 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also used to ring bobadventureslist and ehlist < 1628559530 131208 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The comics I had in mind are: Sandra & Woo; Slack Wyrm; Kill Six Billion Demons) < 1628559564 715901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think i've heard the name Sandra & Woo and that's as close as i get < 1628559584 459039 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sandra & Woo is another one that used to be good in the first few years < 1628559601 587752 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but didn't keep its quality < 1628559612 525668 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though on the plus side, it does have a mostly consistent update schedule < 1628559762 62193 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm particularly impressed with the drawing style of early Sandra & Woo by the way < 1628559767 116703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think schlock mercenary was the last comic i really got into but that has finished < 1628559773 880872 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is, you know, unusual among webcomics I read < 1628559786 619195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait what? < 1628559791 925168 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Schlock Mercenary finished? < 1628559799 956252 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wasn't that one of the ever-going never finishing comic? < 1628559833 745696 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow < 1628559885 821971 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that the longest running webcomic with a definite end? < 1628559901 804218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :could be? < 1628559924 75521 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it also never had any missed days? < 1628559962 258878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :istr reading that too < 1628559971 601477 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.schlockmercenary.com/blog/nineteen-years/ "The comic has updated daily, every day, without fail, for nineteen years now." < 1628559982 321412 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I don't think that failed during the last year either. < 1628560045 190608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It wrapped up pretty well too. < 1628560078 649352 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :most webcomics never come to a definite end, they're just abandonned. I know of some shorter webcomics that wrapped up properly, but not one that long. < 1628560091 385400 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WebcomicsLongRunners has it under the "Discontinued" section as the only thing that reached 20 years. < 1628560107 521833 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If Kevin & Kell ever actually ends, it'll beat it though. < 1628560137 454225 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean Irregular Webcomic is already pretty impressive, having concluded three times in eight years < 1628560182 909262 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think DMM is the record-keeper, having had three concluded webcomics, with five or six conclusions total < 1628560235 268202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wouldn't bet on that. < 1628560614 179984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Joe the Circle is a bit odd, in that it has seasons, sort of like TV series, and has 13 seasons concluded, but it also started as a paper comic, like Bobadventures, so some of those aren't webcomics < 1628560652 624074 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I haven't read enough of that comic to know if it had what counts as concluding the comic, as opposed to just concluding seasons or story arcs < 1628560972 297048 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://jsfiddle.net/9vetsczw/ why do these columns of + and x are of the different height _<> < 1628561000 165463 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/are// s/do/are/ < 1628561072 626806 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The xs have "padding-top: 0.5rem;" and the +s don't? < 1628561110 168846 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or is that just for the whole chunk of them, I guess so. < 1628561203 875776 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, the padding is intended but the relative shift should not change < 1628561254 611042 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Curious. Maybe you need to do something to force a line spacing. < 1628561284 808567 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They are rendered with different fonts for me, in case that makes a difference. < 1628561362 530344 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The +s come from Bitstream Vera Sans Mono, the xs for some unfathomable reason from DejaVu Sans.) < 1628561382 107873 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :_Oo < 1628561408 833286 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(They both have "font-family: monospaced" as the computed style though.) < 1628561417 808239 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :font is only specified in body as font-family: monospace < 1628561421 927886 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/ced/ce/ yeah < 1628561423 220678 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1628561489 957919 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :these fancy flex, grid things were said to make the life easier than table... < 1628561650 458625 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with that, because replacing the x with x makes it render all from the same fonts but doesn't fix the spacing. < 1628561699 176412 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looking at the boxes though, it would seem that both columns have the exact same total height, just the padding causes everything else to get squeezed a little. < 1628561737 721006 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmm < 1628561822 487326 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :As in, for this browser both the #row_adders and #row_removers divs are 16x150 pixels, but the other one has 8 pixels of padding up top, leaving only 142 for the actual characters. < 1628561839 191519 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe you can fix it by ensuring that there's a similar padding at the bottom of the other column. < 1628561846 855052 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And the whole grid, to keep it in line.) < 1628561957 476777 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, doing that got it... a little bit better, but still not exactly right. Not going to fiddle any more with it. < 1628562044 218529 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't know how people manage to make actually good-looking yet robust web things of that kind. Because there's definitely things that do work.) < 1628562204 643435 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :added more paddings around, became almost ok https://jsfiddle.net/9vetsczw/1/but the "width: 1rem" does not seem to work at all < 1628562240 523995 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(space between "1/" and "but") < 1628562290 86372 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I don't know how people manage to make" -- I feel like they just force sizes in "px" < 1628562334 577836 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure about text base aligning though, I tried to tweak that too < 1628562429 536467 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also there is some https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/line-height that also changes the size in some misterious way < 1628562648 178586 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, acrually the width:rem works it's just 1 height != 1 width, lol < 1628564348 744787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1628565864 881697 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :switching from grid to flex solved the misterious paddings > 1628571885 653848 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Binary to unary conversion14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87108&oldid=77367 5* 03Xorol 5* (+0) 10/* Phyton 3.0 */ Fixed typo > 1628574135 414017 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OEIScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87109 5* 03TriMill 5* (+4251) 10Created page > 1628574610 70935 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OEIScript/implementation.py14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87110 5* 03TriMill 5* (+5870) 10Created page with "An implementation of [[OEIScript]] in Python 3. 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PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I made up a format for compact binary structured data, which is: http://sprunge.us/G7xVU8 Do you think this is good? < 1628582698 314090 :Gozrad!~Gozrad@46.232.210.50 QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat < 1628582711 289451 :Gozrad!~Gozrad@46.232.210.50 JOIN #esolangs * :Goz Rad < 1628582729 642779 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628582913 631968 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628584013 198053 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :structured how? < 1628584021 638163 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see that it has long numbers < 1628584030 525805 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :my book was teaching about long numbers < 1628591242 970793 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628591267 234958 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 JOIN #esolangs zegalch :The Lounge User 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:shikhin < 1628596667 490721 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN #esolangs dbohdan :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1628596671 964523 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@id-79547.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs ProofTechnique :ptech < 1628596671 970280 :ski!~ski@remote12.chalmers.se JOIN #esolangs ski :Stefan Ljungstrand < 1628596671 970334 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu JOIN #esolangs sebbu :sebbu < 1628596679 199898 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon JOIN #esolangs nakilon :Victor Maslov < 1628596679 206608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1628596679 206640 :Bowserinator!~Bowserina@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1628596679 206652 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/ansible.staff.relrod JOIN #esolangs relrod :rickymain < 1628596679 206662 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space JOIN #esolangs SoniEx2 :No, that is not a cloak/vhost. < 1628596875 64869 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 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#esolangs :because it always has an error < 1628600371 368679 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, there is a grid with "selected" cell, and at any time some cell should be selected so I decided when I remove the col or row containing the selected cell I select the left-top one; the first struggle was that there is no "remove event propagation" in jquery when you remove the containing row so the cell does not know you remove it, so < 1628600371 444470 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have to loop along the row to check each cell if it's selected; and even when I do "if this==selected select(0,0)" on each cell before removal I've got a bug that if the selected cell was in the first row or col the top-left cell selected during the loop is gone in the end; I can't believe I've got caught in it < 1628600859 71795 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 JOIN #esolangs Deewiant :@deewiant:maon.fi > 1628602533 609880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Evil14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87113&oldid=81352 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10/* Hello, world! */ w < 1628602597 993041 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs jryans :@jryans:matrix.org < 1628602769 812692 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628602801 639514 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628603522 27816 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628604853 235789 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628605482 765043 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so no colorful annotations list yet https://i.imgur.com/CmNuI0a.png but it reads and writes the file < 1628605564 200780 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now switching away from JS to make the rasel<->rasela converter; then the runner; then the run reporter < 1628609431 49786 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, if I were to want to disassemble you, what type and size of screwdriver should I bring? < 1628609431 221871 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: i know. he demands the framework used in r5rs? < 1628609760 790405 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, what kind of material is wolframane, and is it metalic or non-metalic? < 1628609760 861207 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: one sec. < 1628610866 236836 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Are you just researching the topic now? < 1628610866 492299 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: what would it be unfair to give a 15 minute scribble, but i understood). to a top level < 1628610941 447276 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's actually a cool answer < 1628610956 160295 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if bot sees he needs a time he says "one sec" and comes with an answer later < 1628612726 507349 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1628612746 378621 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we give some time on exams for students to prepare their answer < 1628612755 341841 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :must give them a fair chance to cheat < 1628612763 321110 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if they want to, that is < 1628613078 797307 :Koen_!~Koen@107.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1628613291 889241 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode > 1628614090 402990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlinnScrip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87114&oldid=87034 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+190) 10added fizzbuzz < 1628614307 21524 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I cheated on exams once; still feeling bad about that _<> < 1628614512 807871 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :*shrug* > 1628614741 119496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlinnScrip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87115&oldid=87114 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (-300) 10i dont like showerror(x); commands. < 1628614926 782386 :sprokl!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1628614940 59155 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1628616189 199656 :Argorok!sid195487@id-195487.stonehaven.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1628616466 879571 :Argorok!sid195487@stonehaven.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :Argorok > 1628617443 821198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87116&oldid=85987 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+1658) 10/* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ > 1628617459 913112 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87117&oldid=87116 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+0) 10/* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ > 1628617469 925852 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87118&oldid=87117 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+1) 10/* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ > 1628617578 459656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87119&oldid=87118 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+66) 10/* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ < 1628617580 180793 :Koen_!~Koen@107.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628620755 267609 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628621842 795037 :Argorok_!sid195487@id-195487.stonehaven.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :Argorok < 1628621903 880199 :Argorok!sid195487@stonehaven.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628621903 988077 :Argorok_!sid195487@id-195487.stonehaven.irccloud.com NICK :Argorok < 1628622135 470655 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :import is done https://i.imgur.com/q4QluzA.png < 1628623682 356310 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1628624710 106345 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1628626732 980628 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1628628102 948876 :Koen_!~Koen@107.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1628628225 617827 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1628628272 151823 :Koen_!~Koen@107.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628628490 114380 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1628629015 914829 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :KeziahMason < 1628629147 515491 :KeziahMason!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :mnrmnaugh < 1628629658 941693 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1628634507 661008 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.charlton.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1628636970 57621 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1628637162 892341 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato < 1628637166 88611 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628638325 815522 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1628638379 707494 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87120&oldid=87093 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+100) 10/* Random Number (1 - 10) */ > 1628638392 297412 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87121&oldid=87120 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10/* External Links */ > 1628638429 881061 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87122&oldid=87121 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* External Links */ > 1628638439 660862 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87123&oldid=87122 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-2) 10/* External Links */ > 1628638473 584341 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87124&oldid=87123 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-46) 10 < 1628638502 84976 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato > 1628638507 265729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87125&oldid=87124 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1) 10/* Hello World */ < 1628638892 132871 :PinealGl1ndOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1628641829 942233 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:90c7:da5b:b845:b6e9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1628642124 645241 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:cc2:35ba:cbc2:b281 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1628643731 124022 :archenoth!~archenoth@S0106889e6827f474.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628647127 920462 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1628648052 223685 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87126&oldid=87125 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Truth Machine */ > 1628648163 153997 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87127&oldid=86801 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+34) 10/* GridScript */ > 1628648360 742901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87128&oldid=87076 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-71) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1628648441 293836 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87129&oldid=87126 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Hello World */ < 1628649585 129428 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1628651065 938421 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87130&oldid=87129 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+25) 10/* External Links */ > 1628651145 35842 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87131&oldid=87130 5* 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87136&oldid=87128 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+108) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1628652290 90205 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87137&oldid=87136 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+20) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1628652311 383265 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87138&oldid=87137 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10/* Something */ > 1628652321 484039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87139&oldid=87138 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-2) 10/* Blood32 */ > 1628652331 112940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87140&oldid=87139 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1) 10/* Heck */ > 1628652337 481763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87141&oldid=87140 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1) 10/* Something */ < 1628652647 101233 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato < 1628654369 110977 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1628654430 912312 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1628657377 50531 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1628657812 89194 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1628658433 123144 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1628660222 422435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628663253 948509 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1628663326 826663 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628663328 216049 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1628667994 208277 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-71.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1628669127 640542 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628669310 631000 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628679794 799772 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1628680648 884017 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87142&oldid=87132 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+395) 10 > 1628680728 24681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87143&oldid=87142 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-8) 10 > 1628681466 917106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87144&oldid=87143 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+142) 10 < 1628682066 722683 :warlock!~warlock@kryogeniks.dev PRIVMSG #esolangs :clear < 1628684260 43153 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628684582 503030 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu JOIN #esolangs sebbu :sebbu > 1628685359 234221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87145&oldid=87144 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+827) 10/* Random Number (1 - 10) */ > 1628685740 362093 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87146&oldid=87145 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+41) 10/* Proof of Turing Completeness */ > 1628685873 485355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87147&oldid=87146 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10/* Proof of Turing Completeness */ > 1628685912 465515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87148&oldid=87147 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+40) 10/* Proof of Turing Completeness */ > 1628685945 772712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87149&oldid=87148 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+29) 10/* External Links */ > 1628685956 398423 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87150&oldid=87149 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* External Links */ < 1628686736 908184 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628686777 643590 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1628687142 250787 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87151&oldid=87150 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10/* Proof of Turing Completeness */ > 1628687228 826534 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87152&oldid=87151 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+7) 10/* Proof of Turing Completeness */ > 1628688959 712240 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07YPIMOOMFWAMOOMLWAMOOMNWAMOOMCWAMOOMFWAMOOMSWAMOOMTWAMOOMCWAMOOMB14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87153 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+2439) 10Created page with "YPIMOOMFWAMOOMLWAMOOMNWAMOOMCWAMOOMFWAMOOMSWAMOOMTWAMOOMCWAMOOMB which stands for Your program is made out of many files which are made out of many libraries which a..." > 1628688992 535967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Martsadas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87154&oldid=87101 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+80) 10 > 1628689012 274741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Martsadas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87155&oldid=87154 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+4) 10 < 1628689041 963686 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A convenient and easily remembered name. < 1628689190 509741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( It's inspired by the less successful Village People song called Y.P.I.M.O.O.M.F.W.A.M.O.O.M.L.W.A.M.O.O.M.N.W.A.M.O.O.M.C.W.A.M.O.O.M.F.W.A.M.O.O.M.S.W.A.M.O.O.M.T.W.A.M.O.O.M.C.W.A.M.O.O.M.B. ) < 1628689435 400698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it interesting? MOOM would make a reasonable short name < 1628689618 435556 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :TBH, from the current contents of the page, it looks like rather conventional imperative language. > 1628689825 672614 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emojicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87156&oldid=82070 5* 03Betseg 5* (+85) 10 > 1628689870 324092 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87157&oldid=87021 5* 03Betseg 5* (+16) 10/* E */ < 1628689913 471705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Very sketchy... the "| Example" placeholders (I guess that's what they are) are confusing > 1628690215 361301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87158&oldid=87152 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* External Links */ Cat > 1628690256 106371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emojicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87159&oldid=87156 5* 03Betseg 5* (+66) 10 > 1628690336 604577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emojicode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87160&oldid=87159 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10See also, stub > 1628690384 72706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emoji14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87161&oldid=73465 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+26) 10/* External resources */ Emoji > 1628690395 662979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emoji14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87162&oldid=87161 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* See also */ other one > 1628690418 522522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emojicode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87163&oldid=87160 5* 03Betseg 5* (+45) 10 < 1628690891 995872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628693888 572235 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Optimization_final Pass 2" reminds me of those files named xxx_FINAL_v2_REAL_FIXED.zip. > 1628694398 626835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emoji-gramming14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87164&oldid=73429 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+44) 10See also > 1628694416 479261 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emoji14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87165&oldid=87162 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10/* See also */ Emoji-gramming < 1628697171 579940 :Koen_!~Koen@107.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1628700994 423407 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :awk < 1628701213 619490 :ircseeker3!~nodebot@108.62.52.153 JOIN #esolangs * :ircseeker2 < 1628701245 732355 :awk!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :mnrmnaugh < 1628703026 33731 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode > 1628703198 586365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:HelloWorld14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87166&oldid=82882 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+303) 10Expansion? < 1628704690 356286 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas < 1628705547 951076 :Koen_!~Koen@107.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1628706079 706960 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628707986 3115 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net JOIN #esolangs * :TeamLightning < 1628711442 293459 :ircseeker3!~nodebot@108.62.52.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628713822 130656 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1628714517 274440 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628715890 967668 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1628716858 764853 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Whitespace14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87167&oldid=84497 5* 03Andrewarchi 5* (+38) 10Grammar > 1628717363 485437 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87168&oldid=87103 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-136) 10Removed gotos > 1628717379 787599 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87169&oldid=87168 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+0) 10Fixed number of instructions < 1628717489 296583 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628718247 43824 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628718248 76576 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1628718270 599400 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1628718354 573655 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628718428 601032 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1628718514 374062 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628718563 80951 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1628718684 578268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1628719311 201284 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Epicbebra10]]": no useful content (only content is "Coming soon"), no history, no inbound links; feel free to recreate this once you have something to put on the page, but language pages should describe a language < 1628719324 834002 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628719345 95831 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1628719961 75373 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1628720038 99483 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1628720633 123285 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87170&oldid=87014 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+10) 10/* The Standard Library */ < 1628722422 47077 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1628725380 851587 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628725382 577018 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1628725710 513986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87171&oldid=87170 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+14) 10/* The Standard Library */ < 1628726203 64040 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1628726324 271956 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1628727521 51059 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1628727524 351875 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1628727938 293710 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1628728029 88232 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1628732944 516406 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursaga < 1628732977 634903 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628733139 192011 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628733168 97483 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1628734096 171491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1628735269 574565 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1628736836 118820 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628736860 87570 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628736947 358583 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Client Quit < 1628738662 46241 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net JOIN #esolangs * :TeamLightning < 1628738734 46293 :teaml_!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net JOIN #esolangs * :TeamLightning < 1628738945 46903 :teaml!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1628743359 61594 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1628744563 957747 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism. < 1628744732 922007 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo > 1628747447 610793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL2 vCPU14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87172&oldid=87104 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (+22) 10/* Implementations */ changed GitHub link to point to main branch specifically < 1628747538 285501 :teaml_!~teaml@ip68-228-22-25.pn.at.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628749681 288055 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1628749783 861344 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628749783 969359 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1628751182 577442 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1628753486 958513 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628754412 956528 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5661 < 1628754489 418067 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :> I noted that the BBB function grows uncomputably even given an oracle for the ordinary BB function. In fact, computing anything that grows as quickly as BBB is equivalent to solving any problem in the second level of the arithmetical hierarchy (where the computable functions are in the zeroth level, and the halting problem is in the first level) < 1628754490 849729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:108: error: parse error on input ‘,’ < 1628754785 57637 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the beeping busy beaver is very interesting < 1628754803 682309 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how could 2nd level of the arithmetic hierarchy have influence on a function that gives finite numbers... < 1628754911 746380 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why shouldn't it? < 1628755561 690238 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628755769 631829 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628757009 555201 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim NICK :Trieste < 1628758145 97675 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1628760084 268421 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato < 1628760968 322393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :first level: phi(n) = exists k. psi(n, k), where psi is a sigma-0 sentence. second level: phi(n) = forall k. exists l. psi(n, k, l), again with a sigma-0 formula for psi... the latter is strictly more expressive... < 1628761049 979188 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The former is \Sigma_0^1; k can be viewed as a number of steps; the latter is \Pi_0^2, k can be viewed as the number of beeps, and l as the number of steps needed to reach the next beep.) < 1628761132 89415 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(This is simplified though; in reality the variables need to encode whole TM runs with intermediate states.) < 1628761234 289083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm < 1628761274 697715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's just the corresponding halting problem < 1628761718 465367 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The function version of these are phi(n,v) = exists k. psi(n, v, k) encoding f(n) = v; k is the encoding of a run of the TM (so potentially much larger than v) that produces v as an output, and phi(n, v) = forall k. exists l. psi(n, v, k, l), where for example, k is a partial run of the TM, and l extends it to the point where the TM beeps again. < 1628761786 957026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/, and/. For the second level,/ < 1628762797 863485 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's kinda like halting but you count how many times it halts? < 1628762810 792002 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but generalized so its not 'halting' but some arbitrary state < 1628763822 852968 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Quit: brb < 1628763844 958212 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1628773953 648884 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628773979 644419 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1628775241 542865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87173&oldid=70359 5* 03Lyxal 5* (+64) 10/* A Question */ new section > 1628775270 507024 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87174&oldid=87173 5* 03Lyxal 5* (+108) 10 > 1628775330 471697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87175&oldid=87174 5* 03Lyxal 5* (+8) 10 < 1628779006 85340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628785006 235647 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628785713 384581 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato < 1628786118 219701 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1628786726 405968 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism. < 1628788337 988315 :ircseeker3!~nodebot@185.187.243.123 JOIN #esolangs * :ircseeker2 < 1628790664 759206 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo > 1628791635 127556 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Corbin 5* 10New user account < 1628792168 55099 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos JOIN #esolangs kspalaiologos :Kamila > 1628792178 673055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87176&oldid=87088 5* 03Corbin 5* (+171) 10Introduce myself. It took a lot of effort to not use some variation of the Yoshikage Kira copypasta. < 1628792545 71310 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1628794936 441023 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628795007 555059 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628795106 645770 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1628797257 599082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoCode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87177 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+2149) 10Created page with "NoCode is an esoteric programming language written by [[User:Dominicentek]]. It doesn't have any source code. == How it works == This programming language has no syntax. It de..." > 1628797305 338110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87178&oldid=87080 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+24) 10 > 1628797830 343761 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87179&oldid=87178 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+4) 10 > 1628797896 52560 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87180&oldid=87157 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+12) 10/* N */ > 1628797929 883710 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87181&oldid=87180 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+0) 10/* N */ > 1628797984 991256 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87182&oldid=87177 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-13) 10 < 1628801374 363246 :ecs!ecs@user/ecs QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628801383 590450 :ecs!~ecs@d2evs.net JOIN #esolangs * :ecs < 1628801407 823856 :ecs!~ecs@d2evs.net NICK :Guest780 < 1628801519 578512 :Guest780!~ecs@d2evs.net NICK :ecs < 1628801538 405794 :ecs!~ecs@d2evs.net CHGHOST ~ecs :user/ecs < 1628802732 516175 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628803231 69863 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628804772 264404 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628805490 809117 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628806227 918155 :ircseeker3!~nodebot@185.187.243.123 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628806733 64221 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628810490 574248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1628812059 788668 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87183&oldid=87182 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+117) 10/* Interpreter */ sum(map(lambda x: Cat, "Cats")) < 1628812514 94288 :craigoverend[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1628812518 516858 :daggy1234[m]!~daggy1234@2001:470:69fc:105::d315 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628812547 992854 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1628812548 713325 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1628812554 940227 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1628812621 978003 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 267 seconds < 1628812734 522693 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly JOIN #esolangs FireFly :firefly < 1628812953 658092 :sidelined!~zoom@213162081112.public.t-mobile.at JOIN #esolangs * :zoom < 1628812961 824420 :sidelined!~zoom@213162081112.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you filter colors? < 1628812962 335352 :sidelined!~zoom@213162081112.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esolangs :2,7 █ 7,2█2,7 █7,2██ 2,7█7,2█2,7  < 1628812962 392603 :sidelined!~zoom@213162081112.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esolangs :2,7 █7,2 █2,7 █ 7,2 2,7 7,2█2,7 7,2 2,7  < 1628812962 398748 :sidelined!~zoom@213162081112.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esolangs :2,7 7,2 █ 2,7 █7,2█ 2,7 7,2█ 2,7  < 1628812962 398779 :sidelined!~zoom@213162081112.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esolangs :2,7 7,2 █2,7 7,2 2,7█ 7,2 2,7 █2,7  < 1628812964 76146 :sidelined!~zoom@213162081112.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esolangs :2,7 7,2 █2,7 █7,2██ 2,7██  < 1628812969 124996 :sidelined!~zoom@213162081112.public.t-mobile.at QUIT :Client Quit < 1628813305 629798 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628813574 189857 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1628813594 632043 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628813605 25290 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That looks just fine in this terminal, but my browser's real bad at making monospace text actually monospaced. https://zem.fi/tmp/ugh.png < 1628813624 264871 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my font isn't monospace < 1628813632 727078 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder why he did that < 1628813645 137683 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's pretty clever. < 1628813665 721376 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It says YES if you do filter out the colors, NO if you don't.) < 1628813688 431635 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it said YO to me < 1628813721 480287 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/xGRi0OP.png < 1628813764 78459 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh very clever < 1628813765 561035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or VJ < 1628813792 991818 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You get the YES out of the browsable logs by highlighting the text: https://zem.fi/tmp/ugh2.png < 1628813806 399205 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(With a slight shadow of the NO still visible.) < 1628813818 738749 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah < 1628813864 601721 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course all that doesn't really explain *why* come here to do that... experiment. But I guess why not. < 1628813939 342889 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot do you filter colors? < 1628813939 596579 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: pyrotechno ok. now i'm hungry. :( only one? good for him. ( and there are pi seconds in a fnord < 1628813960 4234 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^rainbow NOT TOO LIKELY < 1628813960 59777 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :02N03O04T05 06T07O08O09 02L03I04K05E06L07Y < 1628814032 388126 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :^rainbow XXXXXXXXX X X X X X X X X X < 1628814032 428147 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :02X03X04X05X06X07X08X09X02X03 04X05 06X07 08X09 02X03 04X05 06X07 08X09 02X03 04X < 1628814074 368705 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :^rainbow X X X X X < 1628814074 473097 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :02X03 04 05 06 07 08 09 02X03 04 05 06 07 08 09 02X03 04 05 06 07 08 09 02X03 04 05 06 07 08 09 02X < 1628814205 801890 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was also another one, but it seems to have become broken for me, I think probably because it now truncates in the middle of a UTF-8 sequence. < 1628814207 910598 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^rainbow2 < 1628814207 977378 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output! < 1628814208 254265 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, firefox is weird... it shows "YES" if I select the text, but switched to a grey "NO" when it loses focus... < 1628814224 880153 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :guys, how do you pretty print json in command line? < 1628814241 694818 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`... | jq .` is what I always do. < 1628814244 812568 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​...? No such file or directory < 1628814250 735134 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :HackEso: That wasn't to you. < 1628814258 55276 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the json_pp from wherever it is on my machine is some perl script that is too slow and if I stop it prematurely it fucks up my session < 1628814306 169585 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://0x0.st/-JgT.txt < 1628814398 697815 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use jq so infrequently, I always need to look up how its pipelines and filters and general syntax works if I need to actually *do* anything with it, but I can (barely) manage to remember the `.` filter for just pretty-printing as a side effect. < 1628814501 912358 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I wondered about that . < 1628814791 477684 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Getting good at jq might not be worth it. It's a sort of tacit-ish concatenative-ish language, and it's nice for quick one-liners, but it allows modules and it gets unreadable quickly. < 1628814803 86238 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/MostAwesomeDude/klesi/blob/master/cat.jq is about as good as I got with it. < 1628814839 584422 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice, it's millions times faster than json_pp < 1628816073 718818 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :On my computer the IRC colours are not even interpreted, so it does not say YES or NO < 1628816366 652316 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does it say? < 1628816847 374043 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: it uses the █ block drawing character for the YES version < 1628816859 947997 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, but I guess it would be hard to make out anything if the color codes are left visible. < 1628816886 107915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"not even interpreted"... oh < 1628816912 272389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah that'll look awful < 1628817146 99123 :craigoverend[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc JOIN #esolangs * :@craigoverend:matrix.org < 1628819167 327510 :daggy1234[m]!~daggy1234@2001:470:69fc:105::d315 JOIN #esolangs * :@daggy1234:matrix.org < 1628820676 378278 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs jryans :@jryans:matrix.org < 1628820972 353481 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 JOIN #esolangs Deewiant :@deewiant:maon.fi > 1628821403 898978 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87184&oldid=87085 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+224) 10/* Arrays */ Added Args dynamic literal < 1628822374 243908 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 JOIN #esolangs * :@fizzie:zem.fi > 1628824024 628548 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87185&oldid=87181 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+10) 10/* H */ > 1628824140 714293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Heck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87186&oldid=87158 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-8) 10/* Program Examples */ < 1628824339 41774 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628824369 130904 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1628825152 493287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1628828255 858174 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33r6NXbelJk < 1628828363 323898 :dermato!~dermatobr@154.21.23.75 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.1 < 1628829206 984559 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1628832733 676227 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628835697 46894 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1628836134 897213 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1628836222 270039 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628836222 651527 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1628837531 8212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628839361 53363 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1628839419 855286 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1628839713 832285 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628841958 675540 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628842104 629683 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628843885 906388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`' fence < 1628843887 857902 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :530) I mean, any organisation called the Scottish Defence League should be beating up English people, what other point would there be? < 1628845071 4260 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :^help < 1628845071 53680 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool > 1628845512 577493 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87187&oldid=87169 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+74) 10Changed operators < 1628845845 504944 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Never really thought about the inconsistency that "defence" (de-fence) involves *removing* fences rather than adding them. < 1628847252 842180 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: sometimes what a prefix denotes can be counterintuitive < 1628847907 145657 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Demonstrably. < 1628848020 163380 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1628849089 648388 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is dewall something bigger then defence? < 1628849108 282598 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*than < 1628849159 314588 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just another brick in dewall, as they say. < 1628849228 112097 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :30 minutes ago I realised I'm dreaming < 1628849234 93545 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :rare thing < 1628849257 822727 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: no, that's called raise a wall when you build one, or raze a wall when you destroy it, and the two are pronounced exactly the same < 1628849301 454555 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :usually for different reasons I don't use that, and didn't use it now; because I was in a street, there was a crowd a run partying, there was a cool techno music playing < 1628849363 329470 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I decided to wake up to sing and record that cool musical motive; not sure though how to use it -- there is no working service to find a music from a singing < 1628849397 606563 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :android can finds music from just 1-2 sec of listening but it needs a real track < 1628849404 17860 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*can find < 1628849428 517537 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw I hate that people use smartphones ~100-1000 times more than I do and don't even know android can do that < 1628849465 554877 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's that hum-to-search thing, but I've not managed to get it to actually work. < 1628849469 997838 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://blog.google/products/search/hum-to-search/ < 1628849508 750792 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/a run/around < 1628849510 353159 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :_Oo < 1628849633 123873 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie hmmm from the gif it looks like they added it into the music search widget < 1628849681 623331 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I understand why widget has changed the icon -- it's a part of "Google" application < 1628849687 998246 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I recently updated it < 1628849815 666769 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Song detection (whether via the Google thing, Shazham or SoundHound) is definitely more robust when you've got a clip of an actual recording, even if it's pretty faint or garbled. The humming blog post claims "you don’t need perfect pitch to use this feature", but I feel like there's still some sort of a threshold, like you need to at least get the direction of most pitch changes right or < 1628849817 331232 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :something. And I'm bad at making sounds with my mouth. < 1628849836 180904 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, it recognized the "Popcorn" track I just singed < 1628849862 179696 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and USSR anthem < 1628849866 595144 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn, the thing works < 1628849893 856788 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :even in faster tempo < 1628849978 213585 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs ::Unable to find a match" for my dream motive ( < 1628849986 241959 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628850139 761270 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need to upload my recording everywhere with some viral text to make people write tracks then < 1628850725 818561 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I looked in a window and saw sky being so weird -- the blue part was white and the clouds were blue, like a negative; I said "dude, take a photo, quick!" and dude started making photos with his ball pen; I though his pen probably has crappy camera, but when I've found my camera it was too late, the sky phenomenon was over, then I went outside, < 1628850725 865165 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :where the music was playing and people were walking, and one guy on a bicycle flew over our heads at the height of maybe 15 meters; I though "okay, but... he should land within at least 50 meters... hm, he does not land, he went even higher, this is weird, how he does that?..." -- and then I realised...; I hate taking cool photos in dreams -- there < 1628850725 882047 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is a huge photo album of beautiful sky there already, and I won't be surprised they are indeed saved in my memory, sometimes dreams have very old references < 1628851511 359611 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space JOIN #esolangs SoniEx2 :♾️No, that is not a cloak/vhost. < 1628859381 814718 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628859423 638524 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1628862519 636175 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03VitalMixofNutrients 5* 10New user account < 1628863223 62589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1628863288 807560 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1628866117 691562 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ephemeral14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87188&oldid=68210 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* Syntax */ Ununoverflow < 1628866130 791445 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo > 1628866381 570012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87189&oldid=68007 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+33) 10Stub < 1628866592 277152 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc > 1628866718 471314 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Portsy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87190&oldid=86993 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+266) 10Define > 1628867369 132948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Portsy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87191&oldid=87190 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-2) 10aaa < 1628869229 646812 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628869347 635358 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628869699 943335 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1628871425 4475 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1628871708 152217 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs : Never really thought about the inconsistency that "defence" (de-fence) involves *removing* fences rather than adding them. – It looks like it’s actually that “fence” is just a clipping of “defence”. < 1628873485 634175 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1628873614 740841 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :recently learnt of this https://www.3blue1brown.com/blog/some1 , perhaps a first foray into making math videos < 1628873843 947040 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1628874752 413059 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw < 1628874779 536051 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :защита -- defense, щит -- shield < 1628874830 369616 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's kind of similar in Russian but it's about shield, not fence; and "за" does not mean "un", this particle does not have a particular sense < 1628874836 190646 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*meaning < 1628874892 98019 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :particle without a particular meaning -- such a tautology, lol < 1628875212 620530 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628876320 476999 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the debian 11 release is coming up soon < 1628876664 679917 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism. > 1628878348 140462 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87192&oldid=86506 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+65) 10Added Neuron > 1628878434 637724 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87193&oldid=87192 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+1) 10language teases, not project teases > 1628878464 693199 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87194&oldid=83069 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (-89) 10Removed Featured Language Prototype < 1628879058 411298 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I updated my miscellaneous-personal-use VPS (that I normally keep on stable) to bullseye already, because... uh, I forget, but it had a newer version of some software that I wanted on it. < 1628879565 496859 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I moved all the stuff to docker on both servers < 1628879672 774309 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :occasionally host OS would need some updates probably, but instead of updating it directly I will probably just start another instance and move docker containers there one by one < 1628879722 621035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(of course it should be possible to move them all together, I'll just use the event to review/clean any possible mess) < 1628879782 824514 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :security updates are said to be installed automatically in cloud -- I never checked it but I believe them < 1628879946 822000 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I will probably just start another instance" -- maybe you did the same, can't tell from your message < 1628880036 246644 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact I've never updated any linux installation ..D < 1628880043 801962 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628880525 632327 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1628881560 923258 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit > 1628881954 469999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87195&oldid=87184 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+761) 10/* Gosub (_+) */ Added syntax highlighting > 1628881979 846825 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87196&oldid=87195 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-3) 10/* Gosub (_+) */ Fixed typo > 1628882120 988276 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87197&oldid=87196 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-142) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ Fixed return statement in first version > 1628882286 358363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Stupid family14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87198&oldid=81531 5* 03WallGraffiti 5* (-1) 10that spelling mistake was nagging me < 1628882334 92849 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628883135 982160 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah, I did a "traditional" upgrade. > 1628883342 515003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87199&oldid=87197 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+81) 10/* Gosub (_+) */ Changed example > 1628883435 95282 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87200&oldid=87199 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+302) 10/* Return (_-) */ Added syntax highlighting > 1628883549 871789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87201&oldid=87200 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+0) 10/* Operators */ Fixed level 13 precedence < 1628884245 823390 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :KeziahMason > 1628884999 267403 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TeamLightning14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87202&oldid=87042 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (+27) 10Updating this to be less terrible and more descriptive < 1628885660 179370 :KeziahMason!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :mnrmnaugh > 1628886167 848940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87203&oldid=84329 5* 03Grs 5* (-7000) 10Code removed,github link < 1628888224 943515 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628888461 88596 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628888529 652479 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMgCBYgVwsI what did he mean by this > 1628890926 791179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL2 vCPU14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87204&oldid=87172 5* 03TeamLightning 5* (-3) 10/* Overview */ changed extensible to modular to match GitHub description > 1628891262 478574 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87205&oldid=87201 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+233) 10/* Unary Operators */ Casts can affect arrays too < 1628892478 895234 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Quit: brb < 1628892575 947078 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1628894884 834336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1628895687 696499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...whose bright idea was to stick to 32 bit ints on 64 bit platforms... < 1628896041 117858 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect there are several people to blame for that. < 1628896203 877640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I did x & (1 << n) stuff without the proper cast; I should stick to (x >> n) & 1 instead) < 1628896272 116123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I imagine that it reduced the amount of broken code when the world transitioned from 32 to 64 bit architectures, but by now it's more of a technical debt to my mind < 1628896550 52510 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Go's model is to have the set of integer types be int8, int16, int32 and int64, and then make the `int` type an alias for int32 or int64 depending on the target architecture, but make everything (slice lengths, indices, whatever) consistently use the `int` type. Maybe that's a reasonable one. < 1628896601 204444 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :As for C, wouldn't it be nice if a `long short` was a 24-bit type, and a `short long` was a 48-bit one? < 1628896686 416584 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628896770 57094 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628896814 242419 :Noisytoot_!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1628896847 344486 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628896931 28699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would be cute... reducing the power of two... < 1628897767 165581 :Noisytoot_!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot NICK :Noisytoot < 1628898928 506056 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628899062 87173 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628899523 436862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@metar ENVA < 1628899524 885337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :ENVA 132350Z 26013KT 9999 -RA BKN010 15/14 Q1005 RMK WIND 670FT 28014KT < 1628901275 87177 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1628901324 216940 :Bowserinator!~Bowserina@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1628902616 150863 :mnrmnaughmnrgle!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1628902671 909941 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Speaking of things, does anyone happen to remember a game where you tried to catch falling shapes (I think mostly polyhedra), and when you caught one a voice would speak out one of those Exxx food additive codes, and the name would show up on the screen, and you got points? < 1628902785 125178 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1628903206 950674 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude < 1628904083 658720 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628904387 261624 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628904876 897182 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there an index of languages by natural/obvious intermediate data structures? I'm thinking not just about ZISC, but about the underlying endomorphism of a ZISC setup. < 1628905017 27229 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, Brainfuck's data structure is a list of nats and an index/zipper into that list, and instead of one endomorphism there's six endomorphisms plus a functor which builds loops. < 1628905235 593426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: The most recent experience where I had to catch a falling polyhedron was when I replayed Portal :P < 1628905414 138863 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Usually brainfuck uses a list of bytes (or, a tape of bytes), although some implementations can use other cell sizes too < 1628905623 980653 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :speaking about ints and cell sizes < 1628905667 721707 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine memory model where every second byte consists of another number of bits < 1628905680 195380 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :don't ask why < 1628905752 875542 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: This was a 2D game (except the polyhedra were sprites that were animated to rotate). Also some of them (maybe the platonic solids? maybe not) were "bad" and you needed to avoid them, and that was the main gameplay challenge. < 1628905784 772260 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :another idea < 1628905803 228190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I got that (well, not the 2D part...) and it didn't ring a bell at all. < 1628905817 65608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Neither does the Ennn thing for that matter. < 1628905823 306645 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1628905823 306700 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1628905838 477465 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you know when you are making notes on a paper and if you write the same digit 100 times it gets copied on the other side of a page, and on the next page < 1628905851 67123 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if you write it even more you can make a hole in paper < 1628905891 646252 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you should not write the same data to the same address or it will make holes < 1628905924 151534 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I feel like maybe the voice was speaking Finnish when it said the codes out loud, which would probably mean this was maybe a game with a pretty limited audience. < 1628905997 771541 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :does the word "finish" have the same etymology with Finnish? < 1628906028 104047 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Sure. The exact type used for cells doesn't matter much to me, and in fact I think it's nifty to imagine that many different flavors of Brainfuck are merely parameterized that way. < 1628906117 453456 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ha! https://pouet.net/prod.php?which=3393 < 1628906138 477623 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The bad ones are the outline ones, the filled ones are good. < 1628906259 589266 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, two online etymology dictionaries say there is nothing common < 1628906262 337864 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And I think finish/Finnish are unrelated, but don't really know. Lots of bad jokes about their similarity though.) < 1628906401 79602 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know none < 1628906485 709783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :First you'll have to cross the finnishing line. < 1628906565 965801 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why is it impossible to hold a race in Finland? Because in Finland, every line is a Finnish line. < 1628906590 686481 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Seriously though, the number of such jokes probably increases the closer you get to Finland. < 1628906627 506784 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because then you'll have tons of teenagers learning English who find these things irresistably funny. < 1628906630 906272 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I've been working on a Scandinavian joke. It would be Swede if I could Finnish it, but right now there's just Norway." < 1628906677 619400 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That one is pretty good and I'm pretty sure I've never heard it. < 1628906714 410342 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I hadn't heard that one either. I think the wob page I landed on had a few novel ones. < 1628906719 114275 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Why will you never win a race against a runner from Finland? Because before you even start, they are already Finnish." < 1628906731 730419 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A lot of them are about the "Finnish line". < 1628906777 994498 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also a few that play on "Russian to Finnish" ~ "rushing to finish". < 1628906838 449000 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1628906853 893596 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like there's some others with a different structure, but can't recall any now. < 1628906862 580847 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is no joke about Ukraine < 1628906872 637909 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because its name is kind of a joke already < 1628906893 994191 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In English, maybe something about cranes. < 1628906946 529513 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the word Ukraine came from "okraina" that means "outskirts (of Russia)" < 1628907148 545367 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i thought about (or maybe read here about, and forgot) a version of brainfuck generalized to arbitrary algebraic data types for the cell < 1628907545 635089 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628907697 643024 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628907803 719612 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Client Quit < 1628908360 634250 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628910475 401677 :mnrmnaughmnrgle!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :mnrmnaugh < 1628912852 133306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1628915005 72607 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :KeziahMason < 1628915571 774902 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1628915581 152340 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1628915863 841506 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo > 1628917556 337509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87206&oldid=87205 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+89) 10/* Fixed Range Access */ Reworded explaination and comments > 1628917633 853314 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87207&oldid=87206 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+1) 10/* Statements */ Fixed formatting > 1628917865 119660 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87208&oldid=87207 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+95) 10/* String Output */ Fixed formatting > 1628917902 482165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87209&oldid=87208 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+19) 10/* If Statement */ Fixed formatting > 1628917925 50469 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87210&oldid=87209 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+19) 10/* Do While Loop */ Fixed formatting > 1628917993 257556 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87211&oldid=87210 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+38) 10/* For Loop */ Fixed formatting > 1628918063 750912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87212&oldid=87211 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+58) 10/* String Input */ Fixed formatting < 1628918113 50817 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1628918142 442077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87213&oldid=87212 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+0) 10/* If Statement */ Fixed code < 1628918593 73479 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1628918649 654501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87214&oldid=87213 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+1926) 10/* Design Patterns */ Added while loop < 1628919321 5480 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1628919745 898052 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628919964 247243 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628920450 770395 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1628921432 582734 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1628922585 833888 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1628922697 821796 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628922698 45230 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1628922914 764917 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Other variants of the limits of values of cells in brainfuck is also possible, other than being the same for each cell, they can be different in different cells, dynamic based on other cells, etc. There maight also be possibilities other than simply a number. > 1628922975 722738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87215&oldid=87214 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+939) 10/* Operators */ Added string cast operator < 1628923133 47848 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1628925323 727422 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1628928336 634016 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628928532 635018 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628930083 84513 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1628932603 377383 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628932666 61893 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628933660 292877 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628935428 112516 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1628936595 949035 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1628938616 491434 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628943007 587775 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1628943636 49018 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1628953023 86324 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1628954731 990653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:List of quines14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87216 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+297) 10Created page with "==Your== Should the example for [[Your]] be on here, especially in the "real quines" section? Not only is it a joke language, but on it's page, Your Your Your Your is a truth..." < 1628955574 777449 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wikipedia calls (...|...) in regex a "Boolean 'or'" < 1628955585 192544 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :are there alternative names for this? < 1628955631 759418 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would call it a "'choice' operator" to describe the similar thing in my own syntax but I decided to check how it's called elsewhere < 1628955740 896228 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, looks like it's also "or" in BNF > 1628955758 936570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87217&oldid=86113 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-49) 10[[#Your|Your]]) (Remove non-quine) > 1628955847 194135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87218&oldid=86980 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+0) 10 > 1628955886 278588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87219&oldid=87218 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+0) 10Undo revision 87218 by [[Special:Contributions/TheJonyMyster|TheJonyMyster]] ([[User talk:TheJonyMyster|talk]]) > 1628955942 423239 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87220&oldid=87219 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+0) 10updated interpreter link < 1628956116 933481 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628956484 575974 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1628956873 400318 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would probably also pronounce it “or”, or possibly “alt”, but the n-ary version I would call “choice”. < 1628956989 263740 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1628958337 347347 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1628958393 898295 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628958463 619756 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 JOIN #esolangs mich181189 :Michael < 1628961448 53312 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :alternative < 1628961459 79403 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :choice < 1628961998 883004 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I ended up with this somehow: The "or-group" [ ] tries to match the object with any of a given list of schemas. < 1628964155 962444 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I call it the "alternative". < 1628964190 795176 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or "alternation", maybe. < 1628964214 883105 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's what Wikipedia uses under the "formal definition" part: concatenation, alternation and Kleene star. < 1628964812 644982 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1628965775 603171 :V!~v@anomalous.eu JOIN #esolangs V :Wie? < 1628965938 167414 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628965953 398271 :V!~v@anomalous.eu JOIN #esolangs V :Wie? < 1628965956 228425 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628966068 400549 :V!~v@anomalous.eu JOIN #esolangs V :Wie? < 1628966433 118607 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1628967317 935170 :Argorok!sid195487@id-195487.stonehaven.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628967330 352216 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628967330 352252 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.highgate.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628967330 352263 :dnm!sid401311@id-401311.tooting.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628967450 296715 :faxlore!sid505520@id-505520.highgate.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1628967461 648639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"...whose bright idea was to stick to 32 bit ints on 64 bit platforms..." => you must mean x86_64, which does that < 1628967486 713639 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, it's not alone in that. < 1628967496 281657 :integral!sid296274@user/integral QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1628967511 605774 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Itanium's int was 32 bits too; checked because I had a feeling it might not have been. < 1628967581 601286 :faxlore!sid505520@id-505520.highgate.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs faxlore :faxlore < 1628967586 86513 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1628967593 797746 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628967605 544920 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And AArch64, which I guess is probably the second most common "64-bit" platform. < 1628967612 86979 :aarchi!sid486183@highgate.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs aarchi :aarchi < 1628967639 326790 :dnm!sid401311@id-401311.tooting.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs dnm :dnm < 1628967639 444353 :integral!sid296274@user/integral JOIN #esolangs integral :bsmith < 1628967658 937750 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Lots of bad jokes about their similarity though." => ah, like Ostrich-Hungry < 1628967669 91345 :Argorok!sid195487@stonehaven.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :Argorok < 1628967699 202439 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1628967767 974246 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628967782 116711 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Finnish and finish) < 1628967793 634418 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628969326 968172 :gruuf!~gruuf@94.31.99.29 JOIN #esolangs gruuf :gruuf < 1628969868 225378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1628972383 395743 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87221 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+3428) 10Created page with "9f87m4atttaaaou; (pronounced Mashed Potatolang) is a Stack-Based esolang by CosmicMan08#1975 ([[User:CosmicMan08]]). It was designed to make it look like any program made in i..." > 1628972415 419763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Potatolang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87222 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+30) 10Redirected page to [[9f87m4atttaaaou;]] > 1628972426 340269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mashed Potatolang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87223 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+30) 10Redirected page to [[9f87m4atttaaaou;]] < 1628974263 865392 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1628974694 39884 :gruuf!~gruuf@94.31.99.29 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.1 < 1628974726 963686 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1628976757 674532 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Debian bullseye is out now, by the way. < 1628976929 402495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :good to know < 1628977646 532377 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds like a new iphone < 1628977653 862091 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, how do these things work, when do they bump the version of sid (=unstable)? < 1628977683 956071 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw heard that Apple invented another way to force people buying new iPhone even if previous one still works < 1628977707 978217 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are now unlocking older devices for police needs < 1628977825 690474 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :only older devices though? < 1628977826 483887 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1628977879 496021 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Uh, if you buy a new iPhone because Apple's unlocking old iPhones then you didn't get the message AT ALL. < 1628977980 743493 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't buy iphones at all < 1628978349 779807 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: AIUI, sid and the current testing (now bookworm) does not officially have a version number. As in, the InRelease file that describes the archive doesn't have a "Version:" tag at all, and its decription just calls it "Debian x.y". I imagine they've had to put a number in some places though as a placeholder, and I don't know when those change. < 1628978442 626355 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1628978491 886917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Fair enough. I'm looking at /etc/issue for this :) < 1628978531 333625 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, I'll wait a week or two before upgrading, as usual. < 1628978584 635741 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1628978593 395708 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll be waiting a while too, but not because I want to be sensible and measured and all that; it's purely out of laziness. > 1628979581 236972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sokolang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87224 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+3444) 10Created page with "{{ WIP }} Sokolang is a programming language created by [[User:FLeckami21|FLeckami]] that use Sokoban gameplay to execute commands. ==File structure== Here is an exemple file..." < 1628979590 962604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1628979815 359239 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sokolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87225&oldid=87224 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+129) 10adding a small thing < 1628980347 954974 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1628980397 631999 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1628980821 842068 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87226&oldid=87221 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+48) 10 < 1628981311 104766 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :didn't see arseniv for a while < 1628981624 377032 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :from my esolang wiki categories page I've found three languages with [Work-in-progress] langs are probably not in progress for a while in fact < 1628981631 24012 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Andrew%27s_Programming_Language < 1628981635 93917 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Preposterous_Programming_Language < 1628981641 556777 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bytemap > 1628982292 381412 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87227&oldid=87226 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+0) 10 < 1628987068 104632 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator NICK :Bowserinator > 1628987545 62880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87228&oldid=87227 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+86) 10 < 1628990117 621483 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just realised xxd and hexdump might be able to convert any file into a valid Netpbm image < 1628990188 144665 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :only needs the "P1 #{rows} #{cols} " header string attached < 1628990193 254710 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :prepended < 1628990342 188886 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if there is any utility to make all lines in files N chars long appending the spaces so the source file would me aligned for export < 1628990441 990095 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1628990802 902890 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :nvm snippet from here works < 1628990803 797612 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/shell-question-pad-end-of-each-line-with-spaces-to-%3D-80-chars-875082/#post4326916 > 1628990988 654516 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* 10New user account < 1628991232 445192 :V!~v@anomalous.eu JOIN #esolangs V :Wie? < 1628991397 498276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( that _almost_ sounds like it should be a bannable name ) < 1628992011 646493 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do we have guidelines for how to cite things? I vaguely remember how it was done on WP, if that's how it's done. < 1628992128 644533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :we don't do much citing, but we (or at least ais523) do have sort of a meta-rule to default to wikipedia behavior when there's no reason to do differently < 1628992168 196897 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources then? < 1628992168 469842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :we don't have citation templates. that i know of. < 1628992297 777749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok in that case there _is_ a reason: "that's way overcomplicated" < 1628992353 423846 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ha, fair. < 1628992496 280808 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Hmm, someone has tried and failed for an hour or so yesterday to introduce themselves, I think because they kept ignoring the "do not include any external links" rule. < 1628992512 65685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :that happens < 1628992534 881009 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's already red and in bold type. :/ < 1628992620 795268 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aw, is it "VitalMixofNutrients"? I was hoping that that was a hilarious real-person nick and not a spammer. < 1628992659 372656 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The message they were trying to add to the introductions page sounds pretty legitimate. < 1628992693 219937 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It just has links to their gitlab.com page, and a non-wiki link to BitBitJump. < 1628992718 291906 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mm. Hopefully they'll figure it out. > 1628992918 644407 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87229&oldid=87228 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+57) 10 < 1628993018 252113 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also a pretty long actual attempted new article/language called "Tense" a while back that got blocked by the introduction requirement. Sad. < 1628993186 691594 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a way to manually intervene and rescue those, once the introductions are done? I guess folks probably don't follow up if they fail. < 1628993240 532582 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION should save their new-page buffer before submitting
< 1628993260 779808 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're saved in the filter log. Which is public, so anyone can dig it up from there. I just don't know what the ethics of doing so are. < 1628993328 57066 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Technically the content is "on" the site already. And they did click submit on it, so there was intent to add it. > 1628993380 50566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87230&oldid=87176 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+222) 10/* Introductions */ < 1628993423 611578 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently the [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] page is also right on the critical 200k size boundary for the no-large-edits rule and therefore uneditable. Not sure what should be done with that one, it's a little unwieldy. < 1628993457 52017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :has anyone got caught by that? < 1628993501 522617 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :PixelatedStarfish attempted (but failed) to add a Heck hello world a while back. < 1628993547 232360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay, Debian! < 1628993576 852991 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the page edit history has a "I'm trying to add Godencode, but it hasn't been letting me. Making it a 2-step process might work?" note, but it ended up with them just adding "Too long to fit here, find on Godencode's page" on the page. > 1628993582 375734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87231 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+0) 10Created blank page < 1628993633 304622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I think the sid version was dumped a while ago, when they closed Debian 11 for new stuff (as opposed to fixing the existing stuff so they can release it) to start Debian 12 > 1628993661 119185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87232&oldid=87185 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+15) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ < 1628993688 64722 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I usually look at /etc/debian_version for the version number < 1628993691 120221 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it says 10.10 > 1628993713 364286 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87233&oldid=87232 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+0) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ > 1628993740 861076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87234&oldid=71032 5* 03Zseri 5* (+7) 10reference implementation got taken down, won't be available because it relies on outdated libs, too < 1628993907 581042 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :11.0 is what my sid system's /etc/debian_version says. That, and /etc/issue, are both from the `base-files` package, which is at version 11.1. > 1628993928 491549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87235&oldid=87231 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+139) 10 < 1628994002 343028 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"It's already red and in bold type." => < 1628994071 429165 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/b/base-files/changelog-11.1 < 1628994100 781207 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(But the version of that in sid is exactly the same as in buster.) > 1628994108 505703 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87236&oldid=87235 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+304) 10 < 1628994239 374040 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]], maybe we should just split it to five smaller pages, split alphabetically by the name of the language < 1628994273 763868 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ echo "P2 80 500 255" >temp.pgm ; curl -s https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fis/fungot/master/fungot.b98 | ruby -ne'print"%-80s"%$_.chomp' | od -An -vtu1 >>temp.pgm < 1628994273 944998 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: so am i. luckily i knew the guy who did fnord? > 1628994275 81340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87237 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2816) 10Get started. < 1628994277 901386 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: hmm ok < 1628994290 906938 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :results in such image: https://i.imgur.com/GbfFnEq.png < 1628994329 111758 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only problem with this snippet is I hardcode the height 500px by knowing the length of that file ahead < 1628994341 543747 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(about the sid version) < 1628994362 666313 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :could add it somewhere in ruby command but it would increase the command length < 1628994380 788962 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh. That looks a lot like one of those mini-maps IDEs and editors occasionally have. < 1628994411 81656 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can make out the punctuation triangle. < 1628994444 9728 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still don't understand why I thought it must be triangle-shaped (it could just as well be comb-shaped and a lot more compact) but I don't want to change it at this point, it's too iconic™. < 1628994450 756692 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me read the announcement https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20210814 < 1628994555 901225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1628994561 48856 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1628994581 698731 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, but you won't be able to recover the code from the minimap but yeah, looks very similar < 1628994587 115466 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, I'll install Debian 11 "soon" > 1628994593 845600 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87238&oldid=87236 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+352) 10 > 1628994616 665245 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87239&oldid=87238 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+3) 10 < 1628994624 222811 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"punctuation triangle" -- oh no, you've ruined the secret of that triangle purpose < 1628994672 708771 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's got a comment right next to it. ;) < 1628994681 889542 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The "0SE":,)'..!f"('?/s" line is a comment.) > 1628994701 393887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87240&oldid=87239 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+20) 10 < 1628994769 763609 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :very comprehensive comment < 1628994805 287448 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose if I reverse the bits in bytes then such format would even survive the jpeg artifacts > 1628994810 760830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87241&oldid=87240 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+403) 10 < 1628994823 923525 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it would recoverable < 1628994869 917587 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no big surprises in that release announcement < 1628994870 758549 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it would be a lossy image format for code < 1628994896 626312 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: you can provide two different shapes for essentially the same code, and let the user choose. I did that once, in < 1628994905 411599 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but of course not if that's befunge < 1628994921 987944 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :some java and c# will survive < 1628994937 797517 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=863110 < 1628995082 95476 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm tempted to make the full circle script that would compress arbitrary text as JPEG and then decode back < 1628995267 320311 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh and you can fit 3 times mode code on image space using RGB > 1628995268 639742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87242&oldid=87241 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+591) 10 > 1628995292 332771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87243&oldid=87242 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+11) 10/* \ELLOWOS */ < 1628995421 953498 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could fold each 3 lines of source code into one image line > 1628995494 810043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GermanSpetsnaz14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87244 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+183) 10Created page with "GermanSpetsnaz, also known as Christopher Strickland, is the creator of [[\ELLOWOS]] and started editing on esolangs on 14/8/2021, which also is the day that [[\ELLOWOS]] was..." > 1628995542 373416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87245&oldid=87243 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+26) 10 < 1628995546 97302 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and to avoid the phase choice randomness you can do not just slicing but transforming the N chars long line into 3 N/3 chars long lines < 1628995593 638040 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the image will become 3 times narrower and every consecutive 3 lines of code will blend < 1628995637 336105 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the first line of resulting image will be red, the last one blue < 1628995689 205184 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn < 1628995698 566299 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how to stop starting making things > 1628995711 809042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87246&oldid=87237 5* 03Corbin 5* (+1738) 10Accidentally saved changes too soon. Still getting started. < 1628995741 453725 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have yet to finish previous ones... < 1628995925 15600 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just wanted a small break during the making of RASEL IDE so I launched a game and just hours after I started decided to draw a "crafting recipes graph", so to parse the game files I had to figure out the format so I made the schema-validation library... < 1628995995 545741 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :... and the damn random idea of direct converting of the source code to NETPBM now wants me to research how much JPEG or WebP compression I can achieve keeping the text readable < 1628996574 431683 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, could not really make the bash snippet of "expanding line length to 80" fully work -- it was eating the slashes in $line < 1628996602 510551 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I won't wonder if that befunge code passed through bash can format the drive < 1628996614 652221 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*won't be surprised < 1628996618 177173 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :gotta go sleep < 1628997217 899392 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1628997675 818471 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87247&oldid=87230 5* 03VitalMixofNutrients 5* (+439) 10/* Introductions */ > 1628997727 417601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87248&oldid=87247 5* 03VitalMixofNutrients 5* (-13) 10/* Introductions */ > 1628997760 342888 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87249&oldid=87248 5* 03VitalMixofNutrients 5* (+0) 10/* Introductions */ < 1628998382 250417 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, excellent. < 1629000956 163035 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ZippyMagician < 1629001091 302729 :ZippyMagician!~ZippyMagi@c-73-182-136-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1629002234 309482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jelly14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87250&oldid=75879 5* 03Corbin 5* (+227) 10Add proglang infobox. < 1629002463 486541 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a definition for https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Functional_paradigm? (I am okay with the traditional answer: "No, and asking is flamebait.") < 1629003070 332163 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( It's the opposite of dysfunctional. ) < 1629003283 101541 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's the usual thing where the page authors decide whether a language is functional and it'll only be corrected if somebody else feels it's grossly miscategorized. Personally, I'd expect something that behaves like a function as a first-class citizen (value)... with stupid corner cases (first-order term rewriting is not functional; lambda calculus is functional; combinatory logic is a... < 1629003289 89290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...first-order TRS which has the whole power of the lambda calculus, ugh.) < 1629003368 214233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have an opinion on CL, which is that it really doesn't feel like a functional programming language. < 1629003391 234776 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mainly because it's pointless. < 1629003396 100308 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. "lambda calculus is functional" might be the horn I have to tackle this time around. Lambda calculi are the internal logics of Cartesian closed categories. Are the arrows of categories always functions? No, but how dishonest is it to pretend? < 1629003427 713073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nonono, it's all about Scott domains. < 1629003471 678243 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're usually either functions with extra properties/structure/stuff, or they're functors/transfors/etc. which have extra dimensions which we're truncating away. < 1629003508 601641 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, unpacking what you said, I'd say it's okay to pretend. < 1629003522 44968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Otherwise you'll reach the point where nothing is functional. < 1629003541 131865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since it's just bits in a computer, 99% of the time. < 1629003577 379319 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, I *do* take that position seriously in #proglangdesign and elsewhere: "functional programming" is a tribal identifier, not a classification scheme for languages. < 1629003601 803060 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I'm interested in specifically what "the functional paradigm" means on the wiki, because I want to know whether my tacit language is functional. < 1629003624 272102 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meh. I tend to take the view that in practice these things aren't black or white. < 1629003651 588951 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Almsot every programming language has lambda these days so they're all a bit functional. It usually isn't the main programming paradigm. < 1629003792 973577 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :What *is* a programming paradigm, anyway? WP says that it *is* about classifying languages, but I don't know. < 1629003921 19704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's mostly about how you break a program down into more manageable bits, isn't it? < 1629004172 102970 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know; I'm pleading ignorance. It looks like there's no category on the wiki for tacit programming languages, anyway, so it doesn't matter. < 1629004202 80341 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You shoehorn your program into an OO language by trying to find ways to exploit classes and inheritance; you do it for FP by finding opportunities for composing or lifting functions... and you'll invent ways to do each of these in any paradigm because it's often dictated by the problem rather than the language. < 1629004207 86131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
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< 1629004219 617697 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't studied any of this... > 1629004275 882715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87251&oldid=87229 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+10) 10 > 1629004346 965042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Backrooms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87252&oldid=86742 5* 03Ch44d 5* (-3221) 10rework < 1629005387 928060 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how it counts either; many programming languages have first-class functions, including JavaScript (for example "(x=>x)" is a identity function), and some have other stuff too but some don't. C has function pointers which is not really the same thing (although GCC also has "trampoline functions"); PostScript procedures are arrays so can be used like other values, etc < 1629005549 439572 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also can be the consideration for object-oriented. For example, in C there is the FILE object, and in GNU C you can use the fopencookie function to make your own implementation of that interface. < 1629005754 405498 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then, there is the case where some programming language will not have such things as built-in features but can be implemented by macros and/or by other things within that programming language. < 1629006280 983393 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629008866 355912 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have some knowledge of how to encode objects in Haskell. The short version is “records whose fields have a shared closure”, with the delightful tidbit `new = mfix` if you want to encode inheritance. < 1629009038 273833 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629009062 890111 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1629009112 100006 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1629009231 418441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Melvar: How does that work, new $ \this -> O{ method = \x y -> } ...? < 1629009254 85827 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, I'm missing a `pure` there. < 1629009334 540603 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::t Control.Monad.mfix < 1629009335 513010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :error: < 1629009335 588007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : Not in scope: ‘Control.Monad.mfix’ < 1629009335 588054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1629009353 430709 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::t Control.Monad.Fix.mfix < 1629009354 480666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :MonadFix m => (a -> m a) -> m a < 1629009364 647619 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(oops, evidently I don't use this very often) < 1629009441 470928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I /have/ used mfix though, for EDSLs with labels. < 1629009780 321677 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, pretty much that. If the construction of your object is pure, you can do it with `fix` or explicit corecursion, but if for example your object uses an IORef internally you need `mfix` (or the non-overloaded `fixIO` in case of IO). < 1629009822 141167 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Melvar: Right, makes sense. It's just that 'new = mfix' doesn't really explain much about the mental model behind it :) < 1629009837 583836 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hence the question. < 1629009999 256343 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :So like, you can write an object construction function `foo :: someargs -> Foo -> IO Foo` and instantiate it with `mfix foo`. If you want to extend it, the fact that `foo` hasn’t yet taken itself is important – related to the concept of “open recursion”, which is used to describe the dispatch semantics of “this”. < 1629010091 972659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah, I missed that the reader monad would interact with this nicely < 1629010094 38326 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because now you can go `derivedFoo :: someargs -> Foo -> IO Foo; derivedFoo args this = do super <- foo this; otherconstruction; pure $ Foo { } < 1629010118 207332 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though, hmm, maybe not quite nicely enough. it should :P < 1629010124 373336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's not a transformer by default) < 1629010160 292930 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Crucially, this causes `this`-calls in `foo` to refer to the fields generated in `derivedFoo`. < 1629010183 664881 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think to define functional programming languages, you should consider SKI (or BCKW, doesn't really matter) combinator calculus and lambda calculus, because these only have functions, so you have to build everything from functions < 1629010265 399995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing is, I basically can't program CL at all. I have a workaround which is to program lambda calculus and then do abstraction elimination. < 1629010284 227728 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So... this is how I mentally justify calling CL not functional. < 1629010310 333357 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also multivariate versions of these: multivariate (untyped) lambda calculus, and Madore's Amicus without rules 2 and 4 < 1629010332 925040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But there's nothing objective about it; the most objective angle is that first-order rewriting isn't functional. :P < 1629010349 794440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And obviously you can argue about that one as well. < 1629010378 44084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you want, you can turn my argument upside down; since CL (in that view) is functional, that means first-order TRSs can be functional. < 1629010381 47982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :*shrugs* < 1629010484 353759 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION shrugs. <-- Help! I'm forgetting how to IRC.
< 1629010708 660062 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN #esolangs Cale :realname < 1629010953 208632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I also want the Consumer society language to be a quintessential language, but I don't think it counts as functional) < 1629014744 636765 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629014898 632253 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629015757 68209 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629015778 644941 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1629019710 81593 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:FLeckami2114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87253&oldid=76316 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+21) 10Added a new language < 1629019913 927728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629020080 633112 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629020186 338860 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :' But I'm interested in specifically what "the functional paradigm" means on the wiki, because I want to know whether my tacit language is functional.' => [[Jelly]] on the eso-wiki is a tacit proglang and has [[Category:Functional paradigm]] < 1629020217 49558 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :a data point < 1629020772 339138 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :does your language has a mutable state? < 1629021114 210996 :Koen_!~Koen@16.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629021237 182634 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :not my language, but i'd have to check its docs < 1629021296 726965 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which are at https://github.com/DennisMitchell/jellylanguage/wiki) looks like there is a register that can be copied to and retrieaved (under 'Quicks') > 1629021427 329251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03R-Prime 5* 10New user account > 1629021577 544224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87254&oldid=87249 5* 03R-Prime 5* (+187) 10/* Introductions */ > 1629021743 406379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Grom14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87255&oldid=81610 5* 03Grom 5* (+73) 10 < 1629023726 645388 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1629024362 726008 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i feel like you might enjoy this https://twitter.com/keenanisalive/status/1426510525555515397 < 1629025358 936985 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629025383 634470 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629027413 126625 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629028321 622169 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629029758 956543 :Koen_!~Koen@16.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629030457 431609 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the last myname's message makes the most sense for me defining the functional < 1629030545 752045 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I say that "I wrote this in a functional way" when I don't use any assignment operator and just no nested and chained stdlib methods calls < 1629030557 147749 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*do < 1629031980 587032 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :river never really did that but I would go for smth like ( max(0,(width1+width2)/2-(center_dist_x) ) * ( the same but for y ) ) < 1629032072 61134 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did physic simulation of a soft bodies falling and rolling on Athlon 1700, it was slow < 1629032950 633869 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629034810 5553 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1629034836 637549 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629035085 377757 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname, nakilon: The language is [[Cammy]] and it has no mutable state. < 1629035098 123901 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif: I'm just not sure whether a language is "functional" if its arrows are not, strictly speaking, functions. > 1629035354 487145 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sokolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87256&oldid=87225 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+2357) 10 > 1629035598 439348 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sokolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87257&oldid=87256 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+4) 10 < 1629036030 592742 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: is this category theory? 'arrows' < 1629036398 655130 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif: You bet it's category theory! A topos is a sort of category, and so if we pick a different topos then we get a different interpretation of the arrows. < 1629036565 401785 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :time to do some reading then < 1629038085 56681 :Koen_!~Koen@16.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629038380 63369 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm, is https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Categorization#Dimensions for the dimensions of syntax or the dimensions of memory space? I see at least one "multi-dimensional" language whose syntax is 1D but operates on a 4D spatial memory. < 1629038769 926137 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :cammy is lacking a fix point operator > 1629038837 54682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87258&oldid=87246 5* 03Corbin 5* (+116) 10Add proglang infobox. Clean up WP links. < 1629038889 655137 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: Yeah. That's intentional; I can't really undo that level of power once it's been added. My current plan, instead, is to add one (1) unbounded loop around an entire program, but require each Cammy expression to be total and terminating. < 1629038942 347830 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does a loop help if you have no mutable state? < 1629038986 990818 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Loops can make progress with immutable state. < 1629039029 98118 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Have you seen https://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/paradigmsDIAGRAMeng101.pdf before? The goal is to carefully move from "functional programming" to "event-loop programming". And then, maybe, to reimplement the Monte language in terms of Cammy. Big long-term goal there, of course. > 1629039568 753215 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87259&oldid=87258 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+69) 10/* External Resources */ Cats > 1629039663 307166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87260&oldid=87233 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10/* C */ Cammy > 1629040034 387248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87261&oldid=87245 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+71) 10Cats > 1629040128 496220 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:\ELLOWOS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87262 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+308) 10/* Duplicate command */ new section < 1629040380 623163 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629040913 313472 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool graph < 1629040923 499206 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :funny that "continuation" line does not continue > 1629042017 578985 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87263&oldid=87259 5* 03Corbin 5* (+384) 10/* Syntax */ Explain the type system a bit more, and give more examples. < 1629042495 579331 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"require each Cammy expression to be total and terminating" => that never goes well < 1629042510 592798 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it makes your programs hard to debug if they can't easily give an error < 1629042946 781809 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: There's a tradition of event-loop systems where the event loop is ambient. In these systems, having an iteration of the loop (a so-called "turn") not terminate is kind of annoying. This is probably one of the biggest warts in classic E. < 1629043387 444712 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: that makes sense, but sometimes you want to deliberately diverge, when you detect an error < 1629043515 555229 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I don't want E or Monte programs to ever diverge, TBH. If there's a fault, then I want it printed out and I would also like the process to crash. Because E is oriented around networking, and networking faults are tricky to manage, we don't want the additional complication of sync errors being messy too. < 1629043773 565058 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: if it can print an error message then crash, that's fine, then you just mean something different by "total" than I thought < 1629043793 784822 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is the program allowed to grow a list to double its length in each loop iteration? < 1629043823 466891 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and is it allowed to grow a list to two to the power of the original list length in each iteration? < 1629043912 18934 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, yes, the complexity class PR is ridiculous, for sure. I mean both that a single expression isn't Turing-complete and also that errors are handled with sum types rather than exceptional conditions. < 1629043938 532340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: so it can crash only at the end of a loop iteraton, not in any expression? < 1629043943 62362 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The expression (comp dup apply) is a standard Turing bird, but is rejected during type-checking as having an infinite type. < 1629043971 918606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is comp? < 1629043981 72945 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, you mean compose functions < 1629044034 599639 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :comp is composition, dup is the diagonal functor, app (not "apply", whoops) is evaluation of internal homs. It takes a value x, duplicates it to make a pair (x,x), and then calls x(x) on itself. < 1629044283 649888 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :As for taking too long in practical situations, yes; the current toolchain has no jets for natural numbers at all, so asking it to add 1_000_000 to 1_000_000 takes a little bit of time. < 1629044333 618716 :Koen_!~Koen@16.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629044366 613105 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But yeah, as stupid as it sounds, the slogan "well-typed programs don't go wrong" is basically what I'm going for. My version is "categorical expressions don't leave the category". If the category includes error objects, then it's not a problem. < 1629044402 161953 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :And it happens to be the case that Pfn, whose arrows are partial functions, is equivalent to Set*, whose objects are inhabited sets and arrows are functions which can fail and return nothing. > 1629044841 622735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87264&oldid=87260 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+33) 10 > 1629044979 59931 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87265&oldid=87263 5* 03Corbin 5* (+1439) 10Add a section explaining the semantics in terms of lambda calculus. > 1629046544 52972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87266&oldid=84913 5* 03Corbin 5* (+664) 10/* Tacit programming */ new section < 1629046615 57313 :Koen_!~Koen@16.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629047335 633202 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629047603 632080 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1629048288 616938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Red hot dogs--- 5* 10New user account < 1629048826 57938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629049527 656817 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :In regards to the link https://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/paradigmsDIAGRAMeng101.pdf from a page up: Since I only know STM in Haskell, does anyone know how it is made to work in languages with unrestricted side effects? < 1629050073 429403 :op_4!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in < 1629050093 954984 :op_4!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :tslil < 1629050207 69331 :op_4!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Client Quit < 1629050247 364580 :op_4!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :tslil < 1629050664 632943 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1629051002 308383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of complexity classes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87267&oldid=45211 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2466) 10Unstub, put in several sections corresponding to categories, try to clarify WP's immense wordy denseness. < 1629052206 710154 :Koen_!~Koen@16.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629052315 623286 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629053258 634766 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629055816 49912 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1629059135 620898 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629060656 406744 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1629060890 776658 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629061349 217257 :Koen_!~Koen@16.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629061605 335613 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN #esolangs Cale :realname < 1629066626 264815 :Koen_!~Koen@16.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1629068767 932722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87268&oldid=84207 5* 03Sporeball 5* (-1) 10remove last abcout pointer star < 1629068899 943793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1629069532 976948 :Koen_!~Koen@16.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629070100 834710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : Mainly because it's pointless. <-- * swats int-e -----### > 1629071289 338176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Why Does This Towel Smell Different Each Time I Use It14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87269 5* 03LarhoCherqi 5* (+1659) 10Created page with "'''Why Does This Towel Smell Different Each Time I Use It''' is an esolang created by [[User:LarhoCherqi]], with other names being WDTTSDETIUI or Towellang. WDTTSDSETIUI's dat..." > 1629071528 616838 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WDTTSDETIUI14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87270 5* 03LarhoCherqi 5* (+68) 10Redirected page to [[Why Does This Towel Smell Different Each Time I Use It]] > 1629071567 566398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Towellang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87271 5* 03LarhoCherqi 5* (+68) 10Redirected page to [[Why Does This Towel Smell Different Each Time I Use It]] > 1629071599 643746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Why Does This Towel Smell Different Each Time I Use It14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87272&oldid=87269 5* 03LarhoCherqi 5* (+2) 10 < 1629071999 663674 :river!uid512128@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1629072199 344872 :Koen_!~Koen@16.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629072852 457571 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :why does Why Does This Towel Smell Different Each Time I Use It not involve towels? < 1629072967 410201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess the author lost them. not a very hoopy frood if you ask me. < 1629073238 934169 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :threw it away after they never washed it < 1629073248 892615 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it got too smelly < 1629073443 898667 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's almost like b_jonas fixes teapots ..) < 1629073526 283768 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629073540 284191 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1629073816 523220 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I will not buy this fungot, it is scratched < 1629073816 775446 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: brainsecks interpreter works :d. sorry. :( i know many people on scheme are you using > 1629074518 317011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87273&oldid=87251 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (-8) 10 > 1629074778 907739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GridJSON14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87274&oldid=84895 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Commands */ Cat < 1629074800 260605 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1629074977 56575 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1629074992 492765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Typeform14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87275&oldid=83933 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+8) 10WIP > 1629076372 478294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87276&oldid=87086 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+2396) 10ZZT/MegaZeux < 1629077635 619269 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1 < 1629077806 473946 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: come on, pointless jokes are tame < 1629077912 205542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: There's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointless_topology and it's not! a redirect. < 1629077922 65381 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Which is in the same spirit. < 1629078052 631453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is however horrible grammar :( < 1629078147 883236 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Really? < 1629078158 801090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :the article introduction, that is. < 1629078182 738831 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, yes. < 1629078223 878813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems like it was expanded recently < 1629078272 791957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :
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ACTION remains oblivious.
< 1629078839 570469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :mind you, it's still not _well_ written. but i'm lazy and i don't know the subject. < 1629078950 868144 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/themframes.png <-- this one is totally worthy of a swat, btw, so let's call it even < 1629079038 840782 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :So even a category skeptic would presumably acknowledge the following: < 1629079061 922931 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even though every complete semilattice is a complete lattice, a free complete semilattice is a very different thing from a free complete lattice. > 1629079076 488120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Backrooms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87277&oldid=87252 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+8945) 10add some rules < 1629079137 855865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's just how freedom works < 1629079177 228045 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right. < 1629079339 26459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That framing though... are you suggesting that nothing is free without category theory? ;-) < 1629079451 605248 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, just that this has a bit of a categorical flavor. < 1629079488 760802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then again, maybe I shouldn't complain about framing after that "them frames" thing. < 1629079503 590643 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION switches out the shovel for an excavator.
< 1629079510 83268 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Should people even talk about frames? < 1629079513 718371 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought locales are where it's at. < 1629079526 279261 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Kripke talked a lot about frames. < 1629079579 525200 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Frames were also a good way to crash browsers... I wonder whether that's still the case. < 1629079620 749397 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And FWIW, I'd rather have a window with frame than without. < 1629079638 931922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Both physically and on a computer.) < 1629079651 942206 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...tThere's really a lot of things that are called frames... < 1629079669 965140 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do think the categorical definition of "free" is pretty good. < 1629079693 88737 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't even know what other definition people use. I guess just one that works for algebraic structures? < 1629079711 176752 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But then what did I learn the Knaster-Tarski fixed point theorem for? < 1629080030 437446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION still has no idea about what's wrong with "them frames"
< 1629080076 915476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it some meme i haven't caught < 1629080125 484820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: them frames have been naughty < 1629080172 214974 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it's just my own brain that chuckles at "them frames" without context. it happens. a lot. < 1629080226 533576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :OKAY < 1629080289 265295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In context, it's perfectly fine. There's even punctuation that makes all this inapplicable. < 1629080332 658101 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Not sure "punctuation" is the right word to use for quotes. < 1629081716 928595 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, found someone who edits Wikipedia < 1629081729 847596 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i edit wikipedia < 1629081730 992212 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :on occasion < 1629081765 904992 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1629081787 309457 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to live at a house named Pointless Topology < 1629081795 738618 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact it had an IRC channel on Freenode (RIP) < 1629081813 363685 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there was a bot in the IRC channel that would control the color of the LED lights in the living room < 1629081827 569101 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :house with a name? < 1629081881 449685 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, it's pretty common in American nerd culture for group houses (with several housemates who are not related living together) to have a name < 1629081904 853966 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Who wouldn't want to live inside Pointless Topology < 1629081915 535304 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Where you can blend in with the crowd perfectly. < 1629082072 553154 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like something from a movie < 1629082125 370282 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Russia you probably won't even meet any group of nerds ever in your life < 1629082514 727560 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*most likely < 1629082622 109494 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :don't they have technical schools and internet companies and hackerspaces in russia? < 1629082633 512436 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's how these groups of nerds meet each other < 1629082635 213552 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and online of course < 1629082755 704128 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and san francisco is not exactly affordable, even on a tech salary (especially if you're early in your career) > 1629082757 851670 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87278&oldid=87215 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (-158) 10/* System Arg (\<) */ Fixed typo < 1629082772 926334 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can get a small apartment by yourself, or you can rent a big house with some friends and have a nice common area and maybe even a backyard < 1629082839 418789 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a lot of people prefer to live with people < 1629082884 94603 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :some of them are just housing, some are more like live-in hackerspaces or event spaces or communes < 1629082900 857553 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan the only such community I'm aware about is very small one with old guys who do demoscenes for 8 bit computers < 1629082908 680153 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :fun < 1629082933 660841 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there are some in rare universities like MSU, just a theory < 1629082966 718950 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it may be less common in the former USSR because the soviet union built a ton of apartment housing < 1629082982 226595 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the USA thinks everyone should live in a single family detached home with a yard < 1629082987 790055 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :even in san francisco most of the city is not zoned for apartments < 1629083000 415790 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but obviously single people who can't afford a whole house want to live here, so they split a house < 1629083010 40890 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically people gather or rent a house collectively only if they are drug addicts ..D < 1629083014 961889 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1629083079 587189 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah some people in SF even live hostel-style with multiple bunk beds in a single room < 1629083087 361851 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the house/amartment is just a matter of town size -- the apartments appear only if the town is big enough, it's never a majority of homes < 1629083103 361233 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the difference is that we didn't have hippies < 1629083111 689859 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh < 1629083201 249369 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :single houses are basically never shared -- they are the family thing, inherited all at once < 1629083233 82267 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the professional class in the USA (including programmers) tends to move far away from where they grew up for school and work < 1629083239 274494 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so inheriting a house is not necessarily an option < 1629083263 905304 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are hostels with bunk beds but only in Moscow and such -- for immigrants from poor countries who work here cleaning streets < 1629083344 267077 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah here it's like... immigrants from middle america who are trying to get lucky in the startup game < 1629083665 179448 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :speaking about "IRC controlled LED lights", in the biggest and nerdiest (except of probably Kaspersky) company Yandex no one used or even knew what is IRC -- there was one internal server that no one used; we were using some different chat platform and it was awful, so previous admin gave me the server and I tried to drag my coworkers there; set up < 1629083665 229232 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Jenkins notification, reports, etc., but they didn't use it ..D < 1629083740 653084 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was no such thing as "build platform with notifications" at all at that time AFAIK, it was before Slack, and people knew only a few ways to chat -- ICQ, Skype and rarely Jabber; and no one automated them < 1629083826 921198 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically we only used email and "go to his working place and ask him directly" < 1629083861 731432 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least in my department < 1629083987 232978 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for most of Russian IT companies it's only when Slack and such appeared and started pushing advertisment of their features they discovered such things as automated notifications and bots at all < 1629084097 51432 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not even saying about making such automations, only installing some IFFFT integrations or existing plugins, heh < 1629084134 5644 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you automate anything you before a "nerd" within an IT company < 1629084143 152218 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, time for breakfast < 1629084149 112106 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*you become < 1629084173 412307 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a hard time understanding the idea that being a nerd would be looked down upon within an IT company < 1629084192 153671 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least among the developers < 1629084610 493841 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :at all jobs I had there was only once a guy that is kind of nerd, at least he's into Haskell -- learning things that you wasn't told to learn is basically a shame here < 1629084639 339516 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :his job is Python but he codes Haskell at home and does not talk to anyone about that < 1629084649 888641 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to not be ashamed < 1629084651 28484 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :..D < 1629084795 297403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1629085031 598093 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the thing about dinners < 1629085133 595295 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :at one job our boss on purpose tried to initiate some coding-related topics during the dinner meetings; elsewhere you are supposed to only talk about sort championships and how you'll rest from the job on a vacation < 1629085268 755091 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so at the dinner you talk trash, at the office you talk only about the current tickets in Jira, and there is no time to talk about programming other than that -- after 18:00 people hurry to get home and don't wanna listen about code "because tired, don't wanna think" < 1629085561 168831 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's sad < 1629085575 91017 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's sad that learning things you don't immediately need is stigmatized < 1629085582 689068 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :although i think work life separation is healthy < 1629085609 279215 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i don't think one needs to be a programming obsessive like i used to be to be a good programmer at work < 1629085612 782488 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact it may detract < 1629085624 397818 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :because i was always sad that the things i was asked to do at work were not as interesting < 1629085631 814055 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that i couldn't use the coolest language or whatever < 1629085705 32945 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :now that i've been unemployed for years I'm slowly regaining the ability to enjoy programming in my free time < 1629085706 763626 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk, at that job others were asking haskell guy how to write in python because he was the one who wasn't lazy to learn things about its better practices, new features, etc. < 1629085776 988936 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you can't learn new things by just doing jira tickets < 1629085849 970887 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do you survive being unemployed? < 1629085865 411802 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :my wife works at google < 1629085876 345479 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm without job for a year and did a mistake to gave a part of my money and no I'm in debts, it sucks < 1629085883 61903 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*now < 1629085916 911983 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sucks < 1629085986 536549 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :we are having a kid soon and i will be a full time mom < 1629085997 360830 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :which of course doesn't pay anything but does save a lot of money in childcare costs etc < 1629086004 367078 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JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1629089752 330096 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? < 1629089755 364281 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN #esolangs Taneb :Nathan van Doorn < 1629090973 104775 :craigoverend[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc JOIN #esolangs * :@craigoverend:matrix.org < 1629091104 222506 :daggy1234[m]!~daggy1234@2001:470:69fc:105::d315 JOIN #esolangs * :@daggy1234:matrix.org < 1629091723 274012 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 JOIN #esolangs * :@fizzie:zem.fi < 1629094622 955244 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1629095356 779682 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 JOIN #esolangs Deewiant :@deewiant:maon.fi > 1629095995 161188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87279&oldid=87261 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+0) 10 < 1629097354 377661 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629097398 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:14[[07Backrooms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87298&oldid=87277 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+26565) 10add the other rules > 1629107389 99611 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87299&oldid=87264 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+16) 10add backrooms > 1629110176 946743 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pyfun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87300&oldid=87288 5* 03Red hot dogs--- 5* (-164) 10 > 1629110675 723538 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pyfun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87301&oldid=87300 5* 03Red hot dogs--- 5* (+194) 10 < 1629111059 971241 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 QUIT :Quit: You have been idle for 30+ days < 1629114919 748067 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, how many different prizes are there that are considered "the Nobel prize of mathematics"? < 1629114919 997279 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: if common-lisp.net starts accepting requests from all and sundry here?) form is a procedure < 1629118750 504153 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:c4a6:ea1c:ad13:4c8 JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1629119936 164233 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :Corbin > 1629120301 488567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pyfun14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87302&oldid=87301 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+94) 10Cats > 1629120902 172430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Backrooms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87303&oldid=87298 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10Lower > 1629121141 917070 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Math&Matrix14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87304&oldid=76377 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* Matrix form */ cat < 1629122599 359692 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 JOIN #esolangs ^[ :user < 1629123830 852818 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629123916 361837 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1629123950 991200 :shikhin!~shikhin@offtopia/offtopian QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1629123952 979316 :zgrep!~zgrep@user/zgrep QUIT :Quit: It's a quitter's world. < 1629124038 352105 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space JOIN #esolangs * :shikhin < 1629124040 537970 :zgrep!~zgrep@user/zgrep JOIN #esolangs zgrep :zgrep < 1629124092 687079 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :offtopia/offtopian < 1629124702 371766 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1629124995 363378 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo > 1629130330 923933 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pyfun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87305&oldid=87302 5* 03Red hot dogs--- 5* (+296) 10 < 1629132461 344108 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode > 1629133362 577511 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87306&oldid=86508 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+88) 10Added Categories > 1629133411 406974 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87307&oldid=87306 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+0) 10minor spelling change < 1629133520 625356 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1629134109 816474 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87308&oldid=86186 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+598) 10Added - Dedicated Program Creation Modes > 1629134217 255938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87309&oldid=87308 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+181) 10signatureee < 1629134349 864909 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1629134378 555647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87310&oldid=87309 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+2) 10Updated Version - 1.3.5a < 1629134386 609673 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1629135380 476857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87311&oldid=87284 5* 03Daggy1234 5* (+253) 10/* Introductions */ > 1629135389 195940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Udymts14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87312 5* 03Daggy1234 5* (+1526) 10Enhance your python with this wonderful esolang that ceaser chiper's your code.l > 1629135598 567618 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Udymts14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87313&oldid=87312 5* 03Daggy1234 5* (+102) 10added commands < 1629136537 96475 :KeziahMason!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :awk > 1629137240 872621 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Backrooms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87314&oldid=87303 5* 03Ch44d 5* (-93) 10remove random r < 1629137992 744181 :awk!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :mnrmnaugh < 1629138606 157231 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :> What if they just do the thing similar to how you can change the skin color of emojis but instead of skin color it's Islamic republic or Islamic emirate < 1629138608 45174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:77: error: parse error on input ‘of’ < 1629138617 197315 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :great idea, this would work with taipei and other controversials as well < 1629141815 602644 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit < 1629142596 941836 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1629142624 629806 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629143606 511182 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :is currency a compressible fluid? is it non-newtonian? > 1629143844 54857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87315&oldid=87297 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+22) 10 > 1629144069 39859 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87316&oldid=87315 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+91) 10/* Memory */ > 1629145695 407079 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87317&oldid=87316 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (-60) 10/* User Input */ > 1629145817 644073 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87318&oldid=87317 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (-261) 10/* No User Input */ > 1629145861 507458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87319&oldid=87318 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (-317) 10/* No User Input */ > 1629145884 199855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87320&oldid=87319 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (-72) 10/* Hello World */ > 1629145920 74398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87321&oldid=87320 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+4) 10/* Hello World */ > 1629145936 486929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87322&oldid=87321 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (-265) 10/* Hello World */ > 1629145950 101397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87323&oldid=87322 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+265) 10/* Programs */ > 1629145974 12897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87324&oldid=87323 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+1) 10/* Programs */ > 1629146308 536430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87325&oldid=87324 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+124) 10/* Programs */ > 1629146623 552812 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87326&oldid=87325 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (-4) 10/* Fibonacci Sequence */ < 1629146624 963995 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Pineal Gland Optics < 1629146894 699983 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:c4a6:ea1c:ad13:4c8 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629147008 158548 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4226074/barriers-membranes-in-conways-game-of-life < 1629147011 871365 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's an interesting question < 1629147051 121018 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :my guess is no.. everything in GOL is 'flammable' < 1629147367 883015 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esolangs :the answer is no, not at least not last I checked a couple years ago < 1629147391 653252 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esolangs :cgol is just, as you said, very reactive. < 1629147524 657080 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:bcc3:6a10:af0:ae25 JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1629147806 6312 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :mnr < 1629147924 180188 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah it would need some kind of self repair capability < 1629147928 729527 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and would probably be quite large < 1629147945 13450 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that should be doable in principle due to universality < 1629148006 664704 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course you can also simulate another CA in GoL which is like GoL except for allowing some cells to be designated immutable < 1629148015 749069 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that's different < 1629148016 248695 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :im not sure what universality implies that < 1629148035 461509 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah you could do that < 1629148097 954908 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm what if it's just gliders you need to deal with. I think it's still probably impossible because they could come at any time and any place < 1629148152 739743 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure that really helps - unless the universal machine can detect damage to its borders, which brings up another long-open question, basically whether it's possible to scan a still-life < 1629148203 108426 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1629148207 889900 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :without disrupting it you mean? < 1629148211 695592 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esolangs :it *should* be possible to make a machine that can protect against solo gliders at a sufficiently slow speed < 1629148216 166608 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1629148436 951448 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Problem is an incomplete list of problems. I don't see anything exactly like this one, but I do recall some discussion of it > 1629150012 31906 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87327&oldid=87326 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+161) 10/* Programs */ > 1629150364 760838 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87328&oldid=87327 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+383) 10 > 1629150403 557843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87329&oldid=87328 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (-1) 10/* Overview */ > 1629150428 583081 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87330&oldid=87329 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (-2) 10/* Overview */ > 1629150466 826322 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07\ELLOWOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87331&oldid=87330 5* 03GermanSpetsnaz 5* (+1) 10/* Overview */ > 1629150652 887556 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sokolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87332&oldid=87257 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+308) 10 > 1629150923 216569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:FLeckami2114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87333&oldid=87253 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (-6) 10removed WIP > 1629151028 443632 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sokolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87334&oldid=87332 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+67) 10add categories > 1629151359 251706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sokolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87335&oldid=87334 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+2) 10 > 1629151599 760138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Kefalonia14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87336 5* 03Kefalonia 5* (+0) 10Created blank page > 1629151850 512385 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Apollyon09414]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87337&oldid=69845 5* 03Kefalonia 5* (+142) 10SBNs... < 1629154263 976984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1629154525 168698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TJollans 5* 10New user account < 1629156105 570374 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I have n mostly independent changes to a code, and I suspect there's a bug that comes up when two specific ones are both merged, while the other n-2 are irrelevant, but I don't know which two, then what's a practical fast way to bisect which two those are assuming I can test any combination? > 1629156676 474609 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87338&oldid=87311 5* 03TJollans 5* (+198) 10/* Introductions */ < 1629157992 822599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: i think you can just put them in an arbitrary order, bisect as usual to find the last relevant one, then keep that fixed and bisect the others < 1629158049 680899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*the others previous to it < 1629158111 250622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i suspect that's pretty close to optimal too, given you need log(n*(n-1)/2) bits to tell which two it is < 1629158472 996280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm xkcd updated earlier than usual lately < 1629158888 498082 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: yeah, probably < 1629158895 117049 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you're right < 1629159396 632184 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629159409 367601 :sprock!~sprocklem@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1629160217 625739 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629161568 243492 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`recipe < 1629161570 426074 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :hicken and \ remaining 1/4 cup of chopped celery and cornstarch. Stir in \ and remaining honey. Repeat with chopped fresh lettuce; \ cheese mixture over baking sheet. Season together and stir meat into egg salt. \ Add the shapes of flour with the corner and sugar in a large \ pan. Serve with peanut oil and almonds. Pour the cake on a bowl, stirring \ occasionally and remove from heat; cook over moderate heat, stirring constantly, \ until the meat is < 1629161632 824346 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :serve first, then cook again? interesting, recycling food to serve it twice < 1629162374 162745 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] BusyBeaver42 < 1629163027 43677 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi, long time no chat, I'm one of the guys working on the Magic the Gathering most damage without going infinite deck, we are currently implementing the waterfall model (https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Waterfall_Model) < 1629163059 337990 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Today we found an infinite that ruins a lot of progress < 1629163083 794574 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would take out the edits one by one until the issue is gone < 1629163092 315831 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I found one < 1629163107 312194 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I put it back and take out from the other side < 1629163108 199564 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It would be fixed however if the 'flooding' variant of the waterclocks were Turing Complete < 1629163115 247070 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :until I find another one < 1629163151 245363 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's two bisections < 1629163196 37373 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where flooding clocks instead of adding their row once when they are triggered, add it X times where X is the number of times the clock was incremented < 1629163201 231295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: that's not bisection if you do it "one by one" < 1629163209 703252 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan, yeah < 1629163223 255507 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine I said bisect in the first message ) < 1629163229 185582 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just doing it from one side, then from another < 1629163229 265805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :OKAY < 1629163289 663567 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( But n+1 = n + 1 is splitting n+1 into two parts. ) < 1629163344 854324 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hi BusyBeaver42 < 1629163361 645982 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This cause the clocks to explode in value and behave apparently erratically. < 1629163382 609904 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi b_jonas < 1629163431 466692 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :BusyBeaver42: did you return because of https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5661 Striking new Beeping Busy Beaver champion, or is this an unrelated renewal of interest? > 1629163431 505798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DDR14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87339&oldid=65332 5* 03DoggyDogWhirl 5* (+41) 10Fixed order of arrows > 1629163435 417038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DDR/Python Implementation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87340&oldid=63978 5* 03DoggyDogWhirl 5* (+60) 10 > 1629163487 917144 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DDR14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87341&oldid=87339 5* 03DoggyDogWhirl 5* (+0) 10 < 1629163500 562905 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I returned because its now very relevent whether or not the flooding version is TC < 1629163559 483868 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we missed a way to set dralnu's crusades up to allow us to halt an infinite computation at an arbitrary point < 1629163566 102120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 needs some pinging for this. < 1629163600 295354 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, he'll probably appear within a day < 1629163610 976239 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I think he already thought about that < 1629163639 177624 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so we'd need to either only do one BB computation, or cut dralnu's crusade < 1629163671 164628 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cutting the crudase makes us the 'flooding' version and we dont know if it is TC < 1629163680 345827 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :crusade* < 1629163776 703855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I admit don't really understand how the waterfall model comes into this < 1629163981 608211 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we set up Xathrid Necromancers according to the waterfall model matrix, Coat of arms keeps the tokens the right size while 2x arcbond keep triggering each other until the computation halts < 1629164047 506622 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Dralnu's crusade lets each clock have a triggering creature type that activates the necromancers < 1629164082 519725 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that they dont trigger on each creature dying, just the one < 1629164087 350559 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, but I can't recall what made that never go infinite. was it a trick with M:tG's infinity rule that makes some infinite loops a draw before you start them? < 1629164095 626891 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1629164117 167527 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unbreakable infinite loops are instant draws < 1629164140 585472 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, but that would normally still let you deal an unbounded amount of damage depending on the play you choose < 1629164169 365727 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is why the deck is set up that we can't break out of a computation < 1629164186 622373 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629164195 121461 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if the computation never halts, we can't damage them < 1629164203 550786 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, but before you set up the loop < 1629164229 353726 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't you set up a loop that will eventually deal an arbitrarily large amount of damage, more than any natural number that I choose? < 1629164269 488700 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nope, as computation is bounded by the busy beaver function < 1629164284 825703 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think we had this discussion and I'll just have to go back in the channel logs to find it < 1629164314 927041 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, is the argument to the busy beaver (of some variant) the number of basic cards you have in the deck or something like that? < 1629164343 374065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629164344 946253 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like you have to sacrifice a Plains every time you add a state to your machine, and you can't get any other than by drawing them from your deck? < 1629164345 850948 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah the size of the computation is limited by other resources < 1629164390 73795 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or an Island. it's always an Island. nobody would mind sacrificing Plains. < 1629164423 14587 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Arcane Spyglass is a card I love, though it's not really useful for this kind of deck) < 1629164441 705044 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We are a bit more efficient than that and can get BB(5->5->5->5->5) or < 1629164447 901578 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or so < 1629164460 895346 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, so not just the argument to the BB function, but eventually the argument of some fast-growing function < 1629164478 963457 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah its not BB(infinity) < 1629164618 500827 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :before the infinite was found we were thinking we could then do more computation, building off of the output from that < 1629164655 153048 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and actually do quite a lot of computations actually < 1629164734 713823 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but now we either have to switch to the flooding version, or only get the one BB iteration < 1629165016 954080 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so we really would like the flooding version to be TC < 1629165124 318441 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Technically we could get away with a bit less than TC, but that's splitting hairs) > 1629165201 23083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87342&oldid=87105 5* 03Ais523 5* (-31752) 10clear Sandbox < 1629165287 618927 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1629166972 555907 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1629167442 792085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Backrooms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87343&oldid=87314 5* 03Razetime 5* (+4) 10spelling corrections < 1629167890 661635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1629168935 339640 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1629168971 257989 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BusyBeaver42: I'm here, but I still don't have much of an idea of whether it's TC or not – it seems like a hard language to do a TCness proof or disproof for < 1629169171 55634 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I think the requirement was to get the opponent's life total as negative as possible, so most loops with a damaging effect in would just set it down to -1 or -2 or so and then stop because you'd won the game < 1629169235 554677 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, now I'm reminded of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Xigxag, which is the sort of language which seems very unlikely to be TC and yet it's hard to disprove < 1629169357 294753 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :flooding Waterfall Model is better-behaved than Xigxag is, so it's more likely to be TC, but presents the same sort of problem in trying to prove it < 1629170766 442517 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: ok, if you don't use DMM's group's rule about that then that's another way to avoid some infinite loops, but that doesn't help avoid big finite loops. for that you need a limited resource, such as your deck or your own hit points, and BusyBeaver42 says they have one in that deck < 1629171159 119316 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the short version is we'd get a batch of computations for every sorcery we cast, the cheapest sorcery costs 2 life, and we gain life via 1 red mana, gain red via blue gain blue via white and gain white via green, gain green by drawing black lotus, draw cards with floating dream zubera with some other optimizations in there. < 1629171287 824865 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with the 'exchange rate' of those resources improving to the output of the last BB computation, the numbers get astronomical even if the busy beaver function was linear < 1629171455 909664 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: one question I have that's maybe slightly easier than TC-ness is is any halting waterfall machine has a halting flooding machine that runs for at least as long < 1629171531 650864 :mnr!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629171535 442621 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you could prove that, I suspect you could prove TCness < 1629171564 155377 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think it's even theoretically possible for a sub-TC language to have a busy beaver that grows faster than a TC language < 1629171615 72945 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1629171635 998791 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :certainly, it's impossible for a language whose halting problem is decidable to have a busy beaver that grows faster than a TC language's < 1629171636 4518 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but I'm not sure about the possibility of sub-TC but undecidable languages) < 1629171636 4573 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 QUIT :Quit: sorry about my connection < 1629171731 342770 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1629171847 957738 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you have two languages A and B, B is Turing-complete, and A is computable (i.e. not super-Turing), then BB_A(n) < BB_B(n+k) for some constant k < 1629171864 842975 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's impossible for a sub-TC language to have a busy beaver function that grows meaningfully faster than that for a TC language < 1629171937 379552 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, hmm, this actually relies on B having some sort of fairly sane string literals < 1629171940 906443 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but The Waterfall Model does < 1629171958 575752 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :otherwise you can create a language with an insane encoding < 1629172050 477145 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, interesting < 1629172243 887843 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that makes sense, I was hoping for a shortcut, but seems like no such luck < 1629172622 986141 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though we dont need "meaningfully faster" than the BB function. < 1629172669 322708 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just "not meaningfully slower" < 1629172919 87062 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when it comes to busy beaver functions, there's usually no real difference < 1629172963 706867 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We could also potentially have 2 'normal' waterclocks > 1629172968 13471 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Language That Explodes14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87344 5* 03Ais523 5* (+2423) 10new joke language > 1629173034 954499 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87345&oldid=86876 5* 03Ais523 5* (+79) 10/* General languages */ +[[The Language That Explodes]] < 1629173074 367256 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though i'm not sure how much that helps with TC < 1629173137 890490 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it certainly can't hurt right? < 1629173158 860718 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, that would make things easier (although they're probably still too difficult) < 1629173206 664504 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's the precise rule for determining how much gets added to a flooding waterclock? < 1629173231 492039 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean by? < 1629173268 484439 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes, right < 1629173328 761731 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when a flooding clock trips, instead of sending 1 copy of its row, it sends X where X is how much it has been incremented since the last time it tripped. < 1629173368 224435 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(we are also fine with clocks staying at 0) < 1629173597 332907 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need to go to bed; I may think about it some more, but I can't guarantee that I'll find the answer (it seems like a pretty hard problem, and finding the original version of Waterfall took me years) < 1629173621 904681 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might be interesting to create a page on the wiki about it, in case it attracts attention of any of the esolang experts who don't use IRC (although that's a fairly long shot) < 1629173741 230991 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.118 QUIT :Quit: bedtime < 1629173915 726622 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds good, thanks < 1629175118 305822 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"even if the busy beaver function was linear" => now that's an odd hypothetical < 1629175174 307661 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, i mean it would be less than the BB function < 1629175196 464400 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you start chaining arrows together and things get big fast < 1629175228 270102 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I know < 1629175250 593453 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mentioned 5->5->5->5->5, that's already big < 1629175540 59428 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :last year's standard deck got to (42↑↑↑↑42)→(42↑↑↑↑42)→(42↑↑↑↑42)→(42↑↑↑↑42)→50→7 < 1629175546 520232 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on turn 2 < 1629175619 129348 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :turn 3* < 1629175685 9560 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :link to the writeup if you are interested < 1629175686 520042 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wjjHXZgGTnI0Qu6-L8pSyz9RZ72XL5xj4FszvHr2eaU/edit?usp=sharing < 1629176470 48491 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What rules are you using for "most damage without infinite" Magic: the Gathering, such as: What format and deck restrictions? What is opponent (if any) doing? What are you trying to damage (or does it matter)? Are any state-based actions ignored? etc? < 1629177414 986997 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mainly, vintage. opponents deck is 60 wastes, and will act against our interests, we are damaging the opponent, and all rules of MTG are observed the entire time < 1629177550 920343 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We've been doing a standard deck every year, though those don't need to go off turn 1 < 1629177603 272313 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK. What will be done with random effects (including shuffling)? < 1629177630 66458 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we get to pick as this is theoretical max < 1629177640 148336 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK < 1629177661 905944 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though the distribution is so skewed that this is the average damage as well < 1629177983 858692 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh and no sideboard < 1629178062 486257 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sideboard would basically make the deck 74 cards + a wish > 1629182137 598863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Flooding Waterfall Model14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87346 5* 03FortyTwo 5* (+1826) 10Rough draft of flooding waterclocks < 1629182206 522989 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@2601:1c0:f:53e6:4849:e1b5:950f:4fa6 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1629183029 346801 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:2d8e:31e9:d2b5:c97d JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1629183250 659127 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:cc2:35ba:cbc2:b281 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1629183770 458178 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629183926 685294 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone here asked how to move the edge around block in own analogue of dot < 1629183927 372676 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1629183931 110113 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1629183973 271249 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :judging from -v verbose flag I assume dot creates fake vertices along the edges to optimize them < 1629184103 890632 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like 1500 vertices is too much for him ..( https://i.imgur.com/LZGkV8T.png < 1629184176 98078 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :1500 vertices and 9000 edges < 1629186391 958273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629186752 535921 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursaga < 1629186780 634323 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629187561 640652 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629187692 629465 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629187979 724800 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629189202 346357 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1629191278 103758 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably I didn't have to invent a wheel of reducing the graph few months ago (if you remember, it was about homebrew deps tree) < 1629191289 287456 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://graphviz.org/pdf/tred.1.pdf -- this thing seems to be installed with graphviz < 1629192317 75627 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1629192346 636691 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629193330 163922 :Guest710!~Guest7@136.36.7.69 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest7 < 1629194156 863531 :Guest710!~Guest7@136.36.7.69 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1629195343 186718 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :BusyBeaver42: and your deck is limited to 60 cards? < 1629195384 464432 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"sideboard would basically make the deck 74 cards + a wish" ah, that answers it. so yes, 60 cards. < 1629197254 862541 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1629204152 240351 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629205077 864304 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it is in Mathematica https://reference.wolfram.com/language/ref/TransitiveReductionGraph.html < 1629206330 47224 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1629206776 518936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629207906 259746 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1629210982 660179 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629211899 859672 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629212173 655524 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN #esolangs dbohdan :ZNC - 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Anywhere. < 1629225500 609756 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:2d8e:31e9:d2b5:c97d JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1629225621 647664 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629226970 950199 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit < 1629227342 557261 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might still matter if we replace arcbond with massacre girl, but she's very restrictive as we don't want to be able to set off a computation too easily. < 1629227531 411116 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.147 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's still an interesting question in theory, although I'm a little relieved it doesn't have an urgent practical use < 1629227944 882125 :craigo!~craigo@180-150-39-229.b49627.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1629228097 945976 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver > 1629230394 604875 PRIVMSG #esolangs 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10Matrixfuck is a brainfuck derivative with the memory being a 2d array. > 1629233417 796026 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87359&oldid=87358 5* 03Heptor 5* (+104) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629233752 814159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sokolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87360&oldid=87335 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+0) 10 < 1629234494 884353 :craigo!~craigo@180-150-39-229.b49627.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1629234535 75909 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Heptor 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Matrixfuck Example.gif10]]" < 1629234542 159499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629234769 47574 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1629235022 763569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87362&oldid=87359 5* 03Heptor 5* (+403) 10 > 1629235077 560270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87363&oldid=87362 5* 03Heptor 5* (-156) 10 > 1629235286 429197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87364&oldid=87363 5* 03Heptor 5* (+81) 10 > 1629235385 957694 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87365&oldid=87364 5* 03Heptor 5* (+33) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629236136 56725 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87366&oldid=87365 5* 03Heptor 5* (+245) 10 > 1629236881 869533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87367&oldid=87366 5* 03Heptor 5* (+433) 10 > 1629236995 420999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87368&oldid=87367 5* 03Heptor 5* (+131) 10/* Implementation notes */ > 1629237113 460216 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87369&oldid=87368 5* 03Heptor 5* (+36) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629237191 9417 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87370&oldid=87273 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (-10) 10toggles implies on or off, can probably be cleaned up still though > 1629237245 639853 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87371&oldid=87369 5* 03Heptor 5* (-31) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629237488 897251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87372&oldid=87371 5* 03Heptor 5* (+290) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629237535 630948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Backrooms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87373&oldid=87343 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+11) 10/* turing */ 'truth-machine' is what this program form is known as > 1629237578 904606 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87374&oldid=87372 5* 03Heptor 5* (+17) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629237776 294749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87375&oldid=87374 5* 03Heptor 5* (+106) 10/* Implementation notes */ > 1629237800 361046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87376&oldid=87375 5* 03Heptor 5* (+0) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629237852 419693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87377&oldid=87376 5* 03Heptor 5* (-2) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629237868 608079 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87378&oldid=87377 5* 03Heptor 5* (+8) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629237978 654921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87379&oldid=87378 5* 03Heptor 5* (+57) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629238015 368593 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87380&oldid=87379 5* 03Heptor 5* (-57) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629238062 578670 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87381&oldid=87380 5* 03Heptor 5* (+93) 10/* Notes */ > 1629239910 361572 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87382&oldid=87381 5* 03Heptor 5* (+313) 10 < 1629240008 597504 :BusyBeaver42!~BusyBeave@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1629240180 886116 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone's new online befunge interpreter https://tjol.eu/rfunge/ < 1629240196 458620 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :written in rust, aims for 98 > 1629240337 275939 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87383&oldid=87382 5* 03Heptor 5* (-119) 10/* Implementation notes */ > 1629240692 660449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87384&oldid=87383 5* 03Heptor 5* (+56) 10/* Notes */ > 1629241620 606872 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:DoggyDogWhirl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87385&oldid=87079 5* 03DoggyDogWhirl 5* (+3130) 10Added TwoBrainsfuck > 1629241997 730304 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87386&oldid=87384 5* 03Heptor 5* (+130) 10/* Notes */ > 1629242011 431008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87387&oldid=87386 5* 03Heptor 5* (-8) 10 < 1629243156 830042 :warlock!~warlock@kryogeniks.dev NICK :identify < 1629243186 980135 :identify!~warlock@kryogeniks.dev NICK :Guest5396 < 1629243192 46258 :Guest5396!~warlock@kryogeniks.dev NICK :double < 1629243209 347374 :double!~warlock@kryogeniks.dev QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1629243959 306575 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.147 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1629245521 942208 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1629246454 682941 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :my conclusion after spending several hours on trying to draw neat graphs of several thousand edges: 1. graphviz really sucks in layouting 2. wolfram layouts well but the console tool is a pain without a notebook 3. wolfram mathematica costs money < 1629246569 367522 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is also an option 4. wolfram cloud -- but I didn't try it, already very bored by trying to stylize the graph in terminal _<> < 1629246686 98208 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also thinking about IRC bot connected to Wolfram stuff for arbitrary purposes < 1629246774 533066 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the problem of REPL is you can't just run untrusted code on temporary machine, because you can activate the free license only on two machines < 1629246821 151472 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the most possible option I see is to compile functions and deploy on temp machines, should work on some ubuntu image I suppose < 1629246841 521295 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is also a Wolfram Cloud Functions but with quotas < 1629246894 112827 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wolfram Alpha is also quoted < 1629246907 480271 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but 200 requests per day is enough for fun < 1629246953 523968 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had Wolfram Alpha IRC bot many years ago, they even had a neat documentation < 1629247161 926555 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this all is no neat https://reference.wolfram.com/language/tutorial/GraphDrawing.html < 1629247891 346757 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:map(succ.maximum.zipWith(+)l.reverse)(tail.inits$l) in l < 1629247892 807131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,2... < 1629247910 574070 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm underwhelming < 1629247995 251340 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :except for the type checking on first try, that was neat. < 1629248058 869982 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh duh < 1629248099 48529 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :going to need the index anyhow < 1629248344 38524 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had wanted to draw a ZZT world map, which doesn't have several thousand edges, but probably not more than few hundred. However, in that case also is needed the direction (north, south, east, west), and then there will also be passages, too. Also some links might be different when going back the other way, and might need multiple pages. A similar thing can be applicable for text adventure games. < 1629248461 740932 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:[n+maximum(zipWith(+)l$reverse$take(n-1)l)|n<-[2..]] in l < 1629248463 814231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [0,2,5,9,14,20,27,35,44,54,65,77,90,104,119,135,152,170,189,209,230,252,275,... < 1629248489 943209 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm that's not what i calculated in my head < 1629248516 377921 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh duh < 1629248525 110751 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:[n+minimum(zipWith(+)l$reverse$take(n-1)l)|n<-[2..]] in l < 1629248526 918715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [0,2,5,8,12,16,20,24,29,34,39,44,49,54,59,64,70,76,82,88,94,100,106,112,118,... < 1629248541 430792 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that < 1629248545 353060 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :'s more like it < 1629248591 538044 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is the code I have: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/freezzt.ui/artifact/ceca87315080ce9a Maybe you know how to make it better; I don't know < 1629248602 308537 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@oeis 0,2,5,8,12,16,20,24,29,34,39,44,49,54,59,64,70,76,82,88,94,100,106,112,118 < 1629248602 735476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : https://oeis.org/A003314 Binary entropy function: a(1)=0; for n > 1, a(n) = ... < 1629248602 807949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [0,2,5,8,12,16,20,24,29,34,39,44,49,54,59,64,70,76,82,88,94,100,106,112,118,... < 1629248749 321253 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38 in mathematica you can only set the NSWE direction when plotting directed graphs < 1629248759 877222 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably the same in graphviz < 1629248800 446635 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you don't be able to tweak specific branches anyway, like putting one to the left, another one to the right > 1629248851 723119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87388&oldid=87387 5* 03Heptor 5* (+50) 10 < 1629248868 572223 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :graphviz is so kludgy, they provide the utility "unflatten" that creates fake nodes to make dot layouting less ugly < 1629248907 863296 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that function came up when i tried to find out if the two bisections algorithm i and nakilon suggested to b_jonas yesterday is optimal < 1629248910 176094 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would not want to use Mathematica < 1629248985 858634 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a measure of the optimal efficiency of a binary search tree < 1629248994 898863 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for n leaves) < 1629249108 334990 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it turns out that with a bit of balancing tweak, that is the efficiency of the double bisection search for n=3,4,5,7,9,10 files at least < 1629249139 678535 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :er wait was 9 included < 1629249276 678143 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1629249314 403403 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :6,8,9 are one off that function but still optimal for the problem i think < 1629249324 296717 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i haven't finished thinking about 11 yet. < 1629249530 135132 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:[n+minimum(zipWith(+)l$reverse$take(n-1)l)|n<-[2..]] in [l!!(n*(n-1)`div`2)|n<-[3..]] < 1629249536 140957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1629249539 563534 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hum < 1629249544 677762 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:[n+minimum(zipWith(+)l$reverse$take(n-1)l)|n<-[2..]] in [l!!(n*(n-1)`div`2)|n<-[3..11]] < 1629249546 647102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [8,20,39,64,100,142,195,258,328] < 1629249600 188514 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops off by one < 1629249626 391413 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let l=0:[n+minimum(zipWith(+)l$reverse$take(n-1)l)|n<-[2..]] in [l!!(n*(n-1)`div`2-1)|n<-[3..11]] < 1629249627 832752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [5,16,34,59,94,136,188,251,321] > 1629249728 668769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87389&oldid=87388 5* 03Heptor 5* (+11386) 10i gave up < 1629249800 428206 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@oeis 5,16,34,60,94,137,189,251 < 1629249800 758500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : Sequence not found. < 1629249804 620523 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :darn < 1629249856 955516 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@oeis 5,16,34,59,94,136,188,251,321 < 1629249857 280892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : Sequence not found. < 1629249910 715582 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe no one has considered that > 1629249939 898124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87390&oldid=87389 5* 03Heptor 5* (-11221) 10/* Implementations */ < 1629250000 608830 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did some contribution to OEIS < 1629250007 867199 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when was solving PE many years ago < 1629250033 848673 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've added a file with first numbers and something else < 1629250068 85264 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i did add a proof to OEIS once that i made after a discussion on SE code golf < 1629250080 889504 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that's my only contribution < 1629250121 869049 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't remember what sequence it was < 1629250182 419994 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://oeis.org/A181061 < 1629250206 871615 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there as Victor M < 1629250230 305351 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so table and a plot > 1629250246 867326 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ch44d14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87391 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+377) 10Hello! < 1629250302 564998 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ic < 1629250369 731615 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1629250378 996180 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i found it in my mailbox http://oeis.org/A187924 < 1629250554 860716 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh this random '7' in #293 29999999999997999999999999999999293 < 1629250878 259590 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :curious. a lot of the others have random 8s but those look too similar to 9s < 1629250912 259126 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah, didn't notice < 1629251010 133460 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think this happens because to get a number with the right digit sum as small as possible you want lots of 9s < 1629251066 55241 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and usually you just need to change a few to 8s to get it just right < 1629251084 554994 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but for that one number that didn't work somehow < 1629253337 920150 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: thanks (re bisecting for two changes) < 1629254320 175220 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is weird < 1629254465 568404 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :on this file http://sprunge.us/jGGXAz I do the $ tail -n +2 < file | jq . | less < 1629254506 733000 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I use / to search, and if you search for "61" you'll find many matches < 1629254527 900251 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if you search for "player" you'll find only one: "mounted_player_id": -1, < 1629254552 226917 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :while there is at least one more match: "player": { < 1629254645 547739 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> "player" < 1629254647 241729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : "player" < 1629254682 224757 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ENOSTRANGEUNICODE < 1629254700 369963 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> "ø" < 1629254701 793097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : "\248" < 1629254741 745204 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like it's some bug either in less or in it used with jq < 1629254772 718980 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahahhaa, no, nvm < 1629254791 783013 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :EOKAY < 1629254801 126831 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing is that the context around "mounted_player_id" is so similar that when I press 'n' and 'N' the screen does not change < 1629254808 632057 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I supposed there is no other match found < 1629254847 679598 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :time to sleep < 1629255095 923123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a(4649) = 9949859999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999... < 1629255101 930799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999994649 requires quite a lot of changes (mainly because 10^7 = 1 (mod 4649)) < 1629255178 779328 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for the same reason they're concentrated in the leading 7 digits of the number < 1629256083 527429 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that number has digit sum 4648, oops < 1629256186 176462 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, correction: a(4649) = 29289699999[500x9]999994649 > 1629258342 432416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dual tape14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87392 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+73) 10Claim page and add interpreter > 1629258397 399034 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ch44d14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87393&oldid=87391 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+20) 10add dual tape > 1629258884 389197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dual tape ez14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87394 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+76) 10Claim page and add interpreter > 1629258909 628053 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ch44d14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87395&oldid=87393 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+23) 10add dual tape ez < 1629260732 158947 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629260737 63508 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1629260771 414330 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1629260801 364818 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1629261069 839533 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :looking at today's girl genius, i cannot help guessing who this is https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20030604 https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040908 < 1629261102 781270 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( it's either that, or othar. ) < 1629261455 621889 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ^ < 1629261457 571331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they have not even published today's GG properly yet < 1629261461 78990 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf :P < 1629261466 851376 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1629261469 285857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Yes I know I can edit the URL) < 1629261482 406849 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :er i didn't link today's. < 1629261513 413249 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh. < 1629261533 300653 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i don't know what you mean i clicked my usual link to go there and it worked. < 1629261567 422009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I go to my bookmark and check the '>' link < 1629261754 751111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which apparently is lagging behind the "today's comic" stuff. weird < 1629261767 725944 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1629262199 54313 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1629262374 537944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629262490 941979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629265100 215221 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there should be a pastebin for colorized text < 1629265125 119990 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I always install the colorised log plugin to Jenkins < 1629265150 616895 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish I paste text that has been formatted with colors or boldness < 1629265161 507969 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :* I wish I could < 1629265265 572970 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually maybe some pastebins accept standard terminal colors via API < 1629265290 469539 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it would be possible to make some proxy website, maybe even in pure JS < 1629267632 263625 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1629268117 503664 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629268225 92176 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1629268663 349568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629269636 216807 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kGuN8WIGNc at some point in history for no reason at all, someone flipped all the letters < 1629270122 94968 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool visualisation < 1629270255 547065 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629270280 638117 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1629270328 532727 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1629273925 640711 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629274120 635523 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629275741 80293 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1629280381 526058 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Pineal Gland Optics > 1629282222 283901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pefunge14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87396 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+301) 10add later document later > 1629282248 885843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pefunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87397&oldid=87396 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+41) 10 > 1629282259 819394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pefunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87398&oldid=87397 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+1) 10 < 1629282355 139787 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1629282777 692465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pefunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87399&oldid=87398 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+289) 10Can anyone help me translate blogs < 1629283307 636073 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629284441 614041 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kGuN8WIGNc at some point in history for no reason at all, someone flipped all the letters – I’m pretty sure the reason for that was that during the transition from writing RTL to writing LTR they always kept the letters facing in the direction of writing. < 1629284692 961602 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :(IIRC at some point sometimes they’d write switching direction every line (boustrophedon), so that you didn’t have to scan back to get to the start of the next line, and in that case also the letters would face in the direction of writing for each individual line.) < 1629284841 814265 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629284852 668483 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629286151 61221 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1629286942 29029 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine writing books in befunge in all 4 letters < 1629287022 109366 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and sometimes executing "p" command to fill the gaps for future plot twists and past misteries > 1629292449 132669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pefunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87400&oldid=87399 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Links */ Cat < 1629293759 527781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1629294152 286128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dual tape14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87401&oldid=87392 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10Cats > 1629294214 965951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dual tape ez14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87402&oldid=87394 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10Cat > 1629294359 92105 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87403&oldid=87299 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+79) 10Add 5 languages > 1629294460 568783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* 10moved [[02Esolang:Gdelfuck10]] to [[Gdelfuck]]: Remove NS > 1629294460 600758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* 10moved [[02Esolang talk:Gdelfuck10]] to [[Talk:Gdelfuck]]: Remove NS < 1629295045 623157 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1629295052 533765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ZZZ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87408&oldid=41112 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10Link to seemingly broken compiler (still better than nothing) < 1629295138 633456 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629296655 37511 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Melvar: that seems to happen only some of the time. almost all Chinese and Japanese characters are written exactly the same orientation whether it's written left to right or right to left, horizontally or vertically. I believe the only counterexamples are some punctuation like dot and comma and parenthesis and quotation signs, as well as a few that change in horizontal vs vertical orientation but don't < 1629296661 101046 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :flip, namely the dakuten and possibly the Japanese vertical repeat mark < 1629296699 742482 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no style of digits flip in left to right latin/cyrillic text versus right to left hebrew/arabic/persian text < 1629296755 73047 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :some punctuation like parenthesis and question mark do sometimes flip between these, but they are also used differently in different languages < 1629296763 419023 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I was replying here to the video which is about the development of the Latin alphabet – this flipping happed specifically in one of its precursors. < 1629296841 229287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, it is true that boustrophedon inscriptions in phoenician script did flip letters, see eg. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki?curid=66649930 < 1629296864 955418 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but wasn't Phoenician written left to right from the start, when it wasn't boustrophedon? < 1629296920 609686 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :here'sa better flipping boustrophedon example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gortys_law_inscription.jpg < 1629296920 881813 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wikipedia says Phoenician was RTL. < 1629296931 551940 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one is actually in greek script < 1629297075 356782 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, it looks like you're right, phoenician was written right to left, and later flipped to greek < 1629297091 6906 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, my understanding is Phoenician started mostly RTL, some boustrophedon, then when Greeks adapted their alphabet, they also used boustrophedon in stone inscriptions, but eventually settled into using mostly LTR as time went on, which resulted in the final form of the letters being flipped from how they started out in Phoenician. < 1629297124 255276 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this wasn't obvious to me because I know very little about phoenician, other than through how the greek and hebrew scripts were developed from it (arabic/persian was too, but I know very little about that) < 1629297133 753919 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm does this have to do with engraving script in stone? < 1629297188 427814 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I don't really know, but I don't see why engraving in stone vs slate or pottery would make a difference < 1629297203 383768 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well ok, that's not true < 1629297219 563764 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can write into slate fast enough that it matters that you cover the letters with your hand < 1629297220 521285 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm picturing chisel and hammer, so the writing hand becomes the left one < 1629297231 416963 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no clue as to the pressures of stone inscription specifically, except for an unsubstantiated claim I heard once that a right-handed person has an easier time carving RTL. < 1629297275 437450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And you're probably better off working towards the blank end... so swinging from the right means pushing to the left is preferable? I don't know, obviously. < 1629297306 722359 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which like, makes some amount of sense, exactly that way, but no citation attached.) < 1629297421 1258 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Whereas writing in ink I would guess that, well, writing LTR with your right hand keeps your hand from smudging what you just wrote.) < 1629297466 556995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, LTR or TTB make for ink < 1629297492 713389 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh by the way, as for ancient stuff. did you know that historically lions lived in southern europe, present turkey, the middle east, some of north africa, and india, but later got driven out from most of those places by humans? so ancient rome actually experienced lions first hand a lot, which is how they managed to spread the completely misguided idea that the lion is the king of the animals, which < 1629297498 684689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then got into children's fables. it's a pity, because the tiger is a much more worthy candidate for the same slot, only the ancient romans didn't meet tigers much, they only heard about them like many of those mythical beasts like phoenixes and elephants < 1629297672 137146 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically people kept believing the misguided ideas of ancient philosophers like Aristotle and Pliny the Elder up until the enlightenment, and I don't know who established the lion as the king of the animals, but that false idea got into the culture < 1629297694 809391 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Lionking movie should be based on tigers, not lions < 1629297707 232818 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so do a large number of fables about animals < 1629297717 139133 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I’ve heard the amaZulu also consider the lion to be king, which is kind of relevant to Lion King. < 1629297722 532972 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the sayings about lion's dens with footprints going in but not out < 1629297750 445942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Melvar: isn't that also because they weren't exposed to tigers, since tigers only lived in east Asia? < 1629297751 776372 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hear that some languages around that time confused cats and dogs, even; our modern taxonomy didn't exist back then. < 1629297765 773964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about lion-eating poets though < 1629297794 322902 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, I presume they were not exposed to tigers either, yes. < 1629300176 561299 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1629300203 634230 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629300639 417959 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1242 < 1629300642 802083 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1242.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1629302214 855964 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629305911 557797 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1629306316 326945 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629306477 566201 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629306507 86551 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629306612 549768 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629306628 981823 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629306774 390356 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629306825 527991 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629306956 379516 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629306982 917016 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629307213 345804 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629311784 912094 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629313659 723485 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit > 1629315537 345077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07K14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87409&oldid=51812 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2) 10Improve disambiguation text; link to WP's article. This mirrors the link atop [[Q]]. < 1629315610 352051 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629315726 336951 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629315910 749359 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ugh, I'm starting to think esoterically. I'm thinking about how to define Boolean algebras, and it's very tempting to try to use just NAND since it's a universal basis. < 1629315947 655254 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not bad, exactly, but I know that I'll just eventually define a richer basis later for speed. Maybe this is one of those "premature optimization" situations of which the legends speak. < 1629316074 337945 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh hey, WP's already got the entire discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_axioms_for_Boolean_algebra < 1629316466 937685 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :definitely use NAND < 1629316501 699245 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :those axioms are really interesting < 1629316512 438451 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the robbins one was unproved until computers did it < 1629317124 521447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1629317507 239670 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629317543 638282 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629317985 652861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the romans were definitely exposed to elephants. rather brutally so. see: punic wars. < 1629318056 112236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(wikipedia has had a lot of punic war articles featured lately) < 1629318106 751809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :by phonecians, no less < 1629318119 686853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :argh < 1629318136 85738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*oe < 1629319043 766552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, that wikipedia logic article cites wolfram < 1629320023 493657 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: yeah, elephant is probably a bad example < 1629320194 601076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i found the basis sizes given in that article so inconsistent that I made a talk page comment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Minimal_axioms_for_Boolean_algebra#1-basis_or_2-basis? < 1629320240 280833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(hm some of your browser might leave out the final ? i guess) < 1629320242 488895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*+s > 1629330645 392014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ch44d14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87410&oldid=87395 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+21) 10add category < 1629331163 528480 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Pineal Gland Optics < 1629339095 706091 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629339173 89679 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1629339705 477058 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have any English documentation of TRON Application Databus file format? > 1629344325 249546 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03KatrinaKitten 5* 10New user account > 1629345161 483236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87411&oldid=87356 5* 03KatrinaKitten 5* (+399) 10 > 1629345220 473040 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MagiStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87412&oldid=67529 5* 03KatrinaKitten 5* (+14) 10 > 1629345395 610896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Roadrunner14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87413&oldid=79552 5* 03KatrinaKitten 5* (+24) 10Update author name, as she (me) is transgender > 1629346060 495101 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:KatrinaKitten14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87414 5* 03KatrinaKitten 5* (+525) 10Created page with "Katrina Scialdone is an American freelance programmer who has been creating esolangs sporadically for the better part of a decade. She is a transgender woman, and has put her..." > 1629346105 62395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Subterra14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87415&oldid=56188 5* 03KatrinaKitten 5* (+52) 10Add author credit > 1629346345 270987 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:KatrinaKitten14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87416&oldid=87414 5* 03KatrinaKitten 5* (+21) 10Categorize page > 1629347808 690942 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LispNTI14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87417 5* 03KatrinaKitten 5* (+626) 10Created page with "LispNTI (an acronym meaning "Listen, It's Shit, Please Never Try It") is a minimal Lisp-like language created by [[User:KatrinaKitten|Katrina Scialdone]]. 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It's about OISC. < 1629380954 625583 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629381211 902730 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-155-24-32.range86-155.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629381235 517513 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-155-24-32.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629381483 351591 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-155-24-32.range86-155.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629381505 376033 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-155-24-32.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629383407 312330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629383986 319950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629384027 108719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629384628 966423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1629384681 490604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629385420 526863 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:impomatic!~impomatic@host86-155-24-32.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629391085 697432 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-155-24-32.range86-155.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629391106 520473 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1629391107 469249 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-155-24-32.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629393645 165269 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-25-184-147-14-206.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1629393719 477689 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 NICK :KeziahMason > 1629393820 499287 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87424 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+431) 10Created page with "'''Broken Calculator''' is a programming language created by [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] that is designed such that a program has a random chance of crashing on a given line of..." > 1629393873 401862 PRIVMSG 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Command !! Ac..." < 1629426991 102476 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: TIL about "primitive recursive functionals". The strength of many systems that I'd thought was PR-complete is actually something a little better. The Complexity Zoo doesn't appear to have an entry for this class, and I don't know what its standard name is. < 1629427009 349735 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll add this information to the wiki as soon as I understand it and have good sources to cite. < 1629428896 976298 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629428977 967566 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629428997 17863 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1629429241 51973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87437&oldid=87433 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+88) 10/* Hello World */ > 1629429343 688680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87438&oldid=87437 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* 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:impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629444931 764286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629446736 632819 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629446883 630090 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1629448212 673811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gammaplex14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87452&oldid=12486 5* 03Ais523 5* (+13) 10/* External resources */ update the Esoteric File Archive link to a mirror that works (the original has been dead for a while now) < 1629449527 77588 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1629449789 545741 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1629450905 212906 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish there was a git blame for wiki articles < 1629451185 552078 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this thing kinda solved what I needed https://webapps.stackexchange.com/a/35914/4432 < 1629451202 50885 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you enter the substring and it has found where it was added < 1629453456 413613 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just realised that my PCBR thing is similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topological_sorting in the way that 1. it gives an assumption that item1 > item2 even if those particular items could not be compared to each other < 1629453507 804565 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and 2. that the exact outpur is not fully determined, and in case of PCBR it's a sorted list of unsorted sublists < 1629453557 335244 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the more data you provide the smaller the sublists so the sorting ("ranking" in terms of the PCBR name) is more precise < 1629453617 534812 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also because of that the exact output per-sublist items order is defined by input order < 1629453966 370543 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629456009 873929 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually I have a feeling that PCBR is effectively the same as topological sorting but it does not need a graph as input -- it builds it implicitely by doing the O(n^n) comparisons < 1629456230 627662 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if they appear to be the same thing then the whole concept evolves to a statement that "topological sorting is just a way to sort barealy comparable things resistant to space deformations" < 1629456254 74396 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that might be probably already said by someone somewhere < 1629457660 523274 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1629458062 484117 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, unlike classical topo sort the PCBR allows disconnected components < 1629460287 636701 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629460418 308718 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: are primitive recursive functionals really more powerful than PR? < 1629460507 897476 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh looks like there may be something on the talk page regarding this under §higher-type computability < 1629460819 786380 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :"A primitive functional of type 1→1 does not just take primitive recursive functionals as arguments." > 1629463090 779095 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Extramoose 5* 10New user account > 1629463439 778639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Danielle 5* 10New user account > 1629463989 716866 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87453&oldid=87411 5* 03Danielle 5* (+447) 10 < 1629464250 744660 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629464937 625888 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:9d8f:ef44:726d:44f2 JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1629465054 303662 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629465192 910855 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif: I'm still doing research, but it is claimed that the Ackermann function is a member of one of these higher types. This would indeed make it more powerful than primitive recursion. < 1629465269 720816 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah i see < 1629468800 626952 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629469221 299773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629470237 85502 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1629470597 416355 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629470620 232793 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629470868 971008 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629470886 702602 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629470891 32719 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629471805 926279 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:impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629478284 913150 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629480380 634467 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1629481084 531518 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought to use topological sorting for fossil too, where cards that reference other artifacts will be the edges (to make a cycle would require attacking MD5 and SHA-1 at the same time), and using the D cards as the secondary sorting (with some kind of third (and possibly also fourth) sorting if the D cards are the same or are absent). < 1629482964 303477 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode > 1629483614 706735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blarb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87454&oldid=79809 5* 03Elimirks 5* (+8130) 10Import the contents of the readme < 1629485696 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1629497095 312105 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i did not know about unicode Tag sequences < 1629497816 778080 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1629500952 330785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROM HERE TO THERE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87456&oldid=87455 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-172) 10/* Computational class */ Unknown < 1629502228 792746 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:1d3f:e608:d1ad:6d58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1629502963 714900 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6057:8486:da6d:d017 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1629503246 699913 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6057:8486:da6d:d017 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629503679 621850 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6057:8486:da6d:d017 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1629503706 298033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1629511557 650774 :ecs!~ecs@user/ecs QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1629511648 893798 :ecs!ecs@user/ecs JOIN #esolangs ecs :ecs < 1629517892 888488 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1629520540 329649 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629523380 301758 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1629527587 456067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1629528856 307890 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629531310 696765 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1629532424 342138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Whirlpool-Programmer 5* 10New user account < 1629533165 636859 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629533280 632530 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1629533658 320255 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87457&oldid=87453 5* 03Whirlpool-Programmer 5* (+402) 10 > 1629533688 787390 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Whirlpool-programmer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87458 5* 03Whirlpool-Programmer 5* (+4) 10Created page with "Hehe" > 1629533699 546897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BinPython14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87459 5* 03Whirlpool-Programmer 5* (+835) 10Created page with "== BinPython == The name tells it all.. Binary-Python === A language which is indeed a brother of python, but in BINARY! === There is one Windows executable to run Binpytho..." < 1629533897 267585 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de QUIT :Quit: sknebel < 1629533922 128876 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de JOIN #esolangs sknebel :sknebel > 1629534439 484019 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BinPython14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87460&oldid=87459 5* 03Whirlpool-Programmer 5* (+12) 10 < 1629538776 106896 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629540282 296033 :Koen__!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629540452 703442 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1629544326 639482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87461&oldid=86848 5* 03Blue screen of life 5* (+163) 10Added Befunge-98 interpreter < 1629547542 705117 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1629547710 449773 :ddff!~a@143.131.198.82 JOIN #esolangs * :a < 1629547736 441230 :ddff!~a@143.131.198.82 PART :#esolangs < 1629548815 742493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629549916 295478 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1629549940 636027 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629551242 43515 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 NICK :immibis > 1629552276 386675 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87462&oldid=87419 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10/* B */ BinPython > 1629553712 718120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BinPython14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87463&oldid=87460 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+577) 10Cats, conversion > 1629553730 43892 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BinPython14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87464&oldid=87463 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10/* Let's Teach you some BinPythoning.. */ m > 1629553883 629254 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BinPython14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87465 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+226) 10/* Windows executable */ new section < 1629555228 194687 :Koen__!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629555882 581631 :lifthrasiir_!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1629555898 518083 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN #esolangs lifthrasiir :Kang Seonghoon < 1629557446 3338 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1629557581 135722 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1629557713 696330 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629558637 420042 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629558741 218688 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1629558954 34714 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 QUIT :Client Quit < 1629559392 663195 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629559418 512179 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1629559810 388626 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629561967 21773 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629563875 737411 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629564226 750268 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1629564598 855577 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs joast :purple < 1629566328 140928 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1629566371 974807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87466&oldid=87451 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+7) 10/* Hello World */ > 1629566482 328844 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87467&oldid=87466 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+92) 10/* Truth Machine */ < 1629566632 906377 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 QUIT :Quit: ^[ < 1629567084 726253 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 JOIN #esolangs ^[ :user < 1629567769 698170 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629568838 432658 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629568859 351417 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629569109 904859 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629569129 117845 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629569357 697526 :kciN!~kciN@212.58.114.37 JOIN #esolangs * :kciN < 1629569645 774750 :kciN!~kciN@212.58.114.37 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hey, guys! Where can I find more information about jot? I'm trying desperately to google, but the only link I find is the one wiki already links to. < 1629569877 152579 :kciN!~kciN@212.58.114.37 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, what are similar languages to it, (excluding iota and zot) and why is zot not listed in turing tarpits? < 1629569904 356832 :kciN!~kciN@212.58.114.37 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops, it is, didn't see the next page link. < 1629570950 699742 :kciN!~kciN@212.58.114.37 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1629571027 941480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87468&oldid=87203 5* 03Grs 5* (-1) 10Updated d to implementation < 1629572697 236567 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629572836 473823 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629574594 689925 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629574683 346439 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629574814 698057 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1629574912 583941 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629574990 358256 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629575072 782819 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1629575138 444801 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629575160 101347 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629575271 103521 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629575409 852556 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629575418 299507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629575429 105254 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1629576177 2897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OLNMLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87469&oldid=87468 5* 03Grs 5* (-39) 10Removed not everything in it&JavaScript < 1629576271 181417 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm, I hope kciN found the WP page on Iota and Jot, because it's actually pretty good. I'll add that now, since we don't have links. < 1629579966 367758 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629582978 199400 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629584117 549468 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629584137 227767 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629584388 849880 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629584409 110219 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629584715 374882 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629585189 447105 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1629585350 288211 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629585368 164765 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629585743 302695 :jinn!~jinn@d.jinn.army QUIT :Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by jinn_)) < 1629585888 706035 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629585909 110862 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629586594 992448 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1629586663 584759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Albabet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87470&oldid=82975 5* 03Threesodas 5* (+110) 10 > 1629586708 196424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Albabet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87471&oldid=87470 5* 03Threesodas 5* (+5) 10 < 1629587472 698858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1629587771 518772 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Iota14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87472&oldid=79342 5* 03Corbin 5* (+30) 10/* External resources */ Add link to WP. > 1629587808 595065 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87473&oldid=79341 5* 03Corbin 5* (+29) 10/* External resources */ Add link to WP. > 1629587849 789084 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87474&oldid=79343 5* 03Corbin 5* (+29) 10Add link to WP. < 1629588317 26670 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629588337 663075 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629588588 164097 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629588607 621790 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629588730 533855 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1629588878 67625 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: see you in a week (nothing bad is happening, it's just that I won't be able to get on IRC) < 1629588917 113023 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629588937 872487 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629589188 599073 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629589209 855432 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629589994 397974 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1629591193 507280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87475&oldid=87467 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-85) 10 > 1629593389 59686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87476&oldid=87475 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+130) 10 > 1629593405 998246 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87477&oldid=87476 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10/* Memory */ > 1629593527 534508 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87478&oldid=87477 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+72) 10/* Broken Truth Machine */ > 1629593543 600253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87479&oldid=87478 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* Accumulator Test */ > 1629593692 398964 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87480&oldid=87479 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+71) 10 > 1629593786 498159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87481&oldid=87480 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+46) 10 > 1629593802 911638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87482&oldid=87481 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-2) 10 < 1629594017 185642 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629594039 965680 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629594288 724329 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629594311 802817 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1629594747 580977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87483&oldid=87482 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+434) 10/* Grammar */ > 1629594785 450028 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87495&oldid=87494 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+6) 10/* Grammar in EBNF */ < 1629597945 687818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( broken preview button ) < 1629598817 116492 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629598838 783617 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629599088 325793 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629599109 857438 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629602410 525840 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6057:8486:da6d:d017 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1629602835 732167 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:1d51:90f2:b4a7:ece8 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1629603214 627344 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-40-250.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629606648 744648 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629606762 90462 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit > 1629607693 727806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87496&oldid=87390 5* 03Heptor 5* (+27) 10 > 1629607724 307727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87497&oldid=87496 5* 03Heptor 5* (-137) 10/* Implementations */ > 1629607771 623280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87498&oldid=87497 5* 03Heptor 5* (+1) 10/* Implementation notes */ < 1629607857 18649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1629607916 991187 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Matrixfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87499&oldid=87498 5* 03Heptor 5* (+54) 10/* Syntax */ > 1629607984 419347 PRIVMSG 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1629619513 671965 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629619677 629776 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1629621205 261098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03UiOpL4504 5* 10New user account > 1629621420 139522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87504&oldid=87457 5* 03UiOpL4504 5* (+76) 10 > 1629621466 145222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87505&oldid=87504 5* 03UiOpL4504 5* (+79) 10 < 1629622642 406650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629622716 712525 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs immibis :realname < 1629624562 712329 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629626149 601488 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629627145 421107 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629634327 161715 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1629634354 131302 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? password < 1629634357 2283 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The password of the month is too long for this irc message < 1629634383 492727 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esolangs :I seem to be back if someone wondered! < 1629637671 950391 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1629637869 914385 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :wb! < 1629637892 453522 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has been quiet here < 1629638231 744051 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1629638282 186451 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1629639213 942647 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629639317 708967 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1629639349 461476 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Client Quit < 1629640780 33718 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1629641310 703508 :Koen__!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629641452 316345 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629641907 381378 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1629643246 483595 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1629645313 327236 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629646346 710212 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1629648150 956472 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1629648218 698763 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1629650380 715981 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629651401 501897 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 JOIN #esolangs mnrmnaugh :realname < 1629651406 418399 :mnrmnaugh!~mnrmnaugh@68.162.206.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629652316 397371 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1629654872 627322 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Dominicentek 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Keyboardsmash numbers.png10]]" < 1629655117 320618 :Koo!koo@merkaba.starseeds.space JOIN #esolangs * :K < 1629655122 903634 :Koo!koo@merkaba.starseeds.space PART :#esolangs > 1629655238 809207 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87507&oldid=87495 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+180) 10/* Crash Probability Formula */ > 1629655290 751585 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87508&oldid=87507 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+15) 10/* Crash Probability Formula */ > 1629655378 418678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87509&oldid=87508 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+51) 10/* Crash Probability Formula */ > 1629655425 733968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87510&oldid=87509 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+8) 10/* Crash Probability Formula */ > 1629655587 589470 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87511&oldid=87510 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-27) 10/* Crash Probability Formula */ > 1629655622 814553 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87512&oldid=87511 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-12) 10/* Crash Probability Formula */ < 1629655834 483164 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm. Is it just me, or could Broken Calculator be generalized? It doesn't seem like the underlying deterministic language has constructs which influence crash probability. < 1629656155 764603 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might be interesting to generalize it in a way where you could reduce crash probability rapidly enough that it didn't reach 1 in the limit < 1629656168 173351 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ha, yeah, thinking the same thing. < 1629656340 568193 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION grins magically.
< 1629656517 400406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a magical grin? like that of a Cheshire caRT? < 1629656519 419808 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a magical grin? like that of a Cheshire cat? > 1629656887 435374 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87513&oldid=87512 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+477) 10/* Crash Probability Formula */ > 1629656970 434994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87514&oldid=87513 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+56) 10/* Crash Probability Formula */ > 1629657010 10404 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87515&oldid=87514 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-215) 10/* Crash Probability Formula */ > 1629657296 410805 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87516&oldid=87515 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+141) 10/* Crash Probability Formula */ > 1629659534 186108 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87517&oldid=87516 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1322) 10 > 1629659572 564351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87518&oldid=87517 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-3) 10/* Instructions */ > 1629659642 139196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87519&oldid=87518 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-151) 10 > 1629659676 180744 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87520&oldid=87519 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+42) 10/* External Links */ > 1629659724 958386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87521&oldid=87520 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10 < 1629659728 385058 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1629659738 941574 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629659755 636323 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1629659777 473879 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87522&oldid=87521 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+32) 10 > 1629659865 658191 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87523&oldid=87141 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+29) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1629660007 397080 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87524&oldid=87523 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+149) 10/* Broken Calculator */ > 1629660090 296185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87525&oldid=87522 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+24) 10/* External Links */ > 1629660100 13135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87526&oldid=87525 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10/* External Links */ > 1629660107 737589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87527&oldid=87526 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* External Links */ > 1629660169 724455 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87528&oldid=87527 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+68) 10/* External Links */ > 1629660177 482060 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87529&oldid=87528 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* External Links */ > 1629660185 310869 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87530&oldid=87529 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* External Links */ > 1629660214 465411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87531&oldid=87530 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* External Links */ > 1629660323 275420 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87532&oldid=87357 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+164) 10/* BRASCA */ < 1629660988 585391 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629661379 745998 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629661404 769280 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629661456 325547 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1629661830 879902 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the proper register for talking about this community? I wanted to say something like "our definition contrasts with the other wiki"; how should I say "our" and "the other wiki"? < 1629661915 699174 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1629662064 951828 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should think that you should mention what other wiki it is. < 1629662256 48004 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not always English Wikipedia? Which other wikis do we have configured? I'm happy to learn; I'm used to communities where "the other wiki" is always WP. < 1629662408 793655 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :why not just name it wikipedia? it's clearer and shorter < 1629662748 478981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, esowiki and wikipedia < 1629662779 192441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This isn't a Voldemort situation. < 1629662851 387841 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1629662949 215219 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which may be the case for some wikis that only exist because Wikipedia deletes the contest for lack of relevance... I think we're in agreement that esoteric programming languages are a fringe topic.) < 1629662958 917712 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :contest -> contents > 1629663073 381906 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionality14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87533&oldid=87187 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-39) 10 < 1629663164 160703 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm an inclusionist, so I don't really like that way of thinking about things. I think that wiki federation is more about diffusion of power and responsibility, since some topics can require specialized moderation approaches. < 1629663166 505803 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess we do say "the wiki" for esowiki here. < 1629663253 692740 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you don't like calling things by their name? < 1629663320 53504 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, I mean that I disagree with the idea that it's okay for WP to delete lots of stuff, and that fringe wikis should therefore exist. < 1629663334 195999 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no problem talking about things using commonly-accepted names. I'm asking what those names are! < 1629663376 943535 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :WP wants to be an online encyclopedia with trustworthy contents. You can't have that and free for all topic selection. Which is fine to me, there's plenty of other venues. So... definitely not my fight. < 1629663436 196970 :Koen__!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I don't want a disambiguation page on wikipedia for "the tin can" - "the tin can is an item that can be picked up in the kitchen of the restaurant in level 54 of some obscure video game" < 1629663474 83283 :Koen__!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if there's a thisobscurevideogame.wiki.org then a "tin can_(item)" page is welcome < 1629663707 865076 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1629663752 259555 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Going to be polite and assume that y'all have not actually seen how deletionism acts on WP. It's a censorship mechanism used by patrician administrators to avoid culturally-inconvenient topics at best, and to remove entire subcultures at worst. < 1629663778 923027 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :NGL, your attitudes kind of destroyed my gumption. I'm going to go get some pizza and try again later. < 1629663935 741632 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :?! < 1629663935 803495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1629663963 607830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I'm sorry for not sharing your hostility towards Wikipedia?! This took a really strange turn... > 1629664271 75057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87534&oldid=87531 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+43) 10/* External Links */ > 1629664293 36510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87535&oldid=87534 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+26) 10/* External Links */ < 1629664303 580139 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Esolang is at least partially a method of giving somewhere to put esolang articles that are unacceptable for Wikipedia < 1629664331 408326 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this arrangement seems, in practice, to be beneficial to everyone involved (Esolang, Wikipedia, and people interested in the language) > 1629664454 655010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87536&oldid=87535 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+353) 10 < 1629664572 203543 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh I didn't even know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language ...obviously one could argue at length about which languages should have the privilege of being listed there < 1629664659 851705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it has a pretty good list of early and influential ones, I think. < 1629664938 910135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Anyway, I agree that it's a good arrangement, and my impression is that for the most part, people are happy with it. *shrugs* < 1629665032 13583 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this page is awful in so many ways https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages_by_type < 1629665075 407293 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :"curly-bracked languages" :D < 1629665374 460183 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a good arrangement, but I'm also glad that at least a few occasionally chunks of junk get deleted from the esowiki too. I just looked up one of the notorious ones that was there for at least a year, and I'm delighted to see it gone. < 1629665418 482103 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :trivial brainfuck substitutes? < 1629665422 396342 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the standard is very low < 1629665441 905302 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :myname: no no, it has to be actively bad to get deleted, not just useless and uninspired < 1629665743 407002 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, category Uninspired language < 1629665936 480535 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_BASIC < 1629666087 894883 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2021/08/19/undecidable-translational-tilings-with-only-two-tiles-or-one-nonabelian-tile/ I probably linked this already < 1629666182 829520 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I take some another language with long arithmetics to implement RASEL, which one should I choose? < 1629666192 976528 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_arbitrary-precision_arithmetic_software < 1629666250 879349 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :didn't know there are so many llbs for c/c++ < 1629666263 51067 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: what is your goal with the implementation? do you wish it to be fast, or portable and easy to distribute? < 1629666316 133667 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas the goal is speed < 1629666342 104922 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :speed for usually large numbers, or speed for when the numbers are usually small? < 1629666343 262980 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for distribution ruby gem is already good enough < 1629666355 36689 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1629666361 255996 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when small < 1629666482 873471 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for large numbers, http://mpir.org/ is usually the best (it's forked from GMP and gives mostly the same interface), but its docs recommend you to wrap around it if your numbers are usually small (the original purpose was probably at least partly cryptography, which explains optimizing over large fixed size numbers); alternatives include https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/release/libs/multiprecision/ which < 1629666488 881300 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :has three backends including GMP, https://www.libtom.net/ which is educational and not too optimized, and https://bellard.org/softfp/ which is Fabrice Bellard's so you know what to expect < 1629666578 956399 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, and there's also GP/PARI's library I think, plus many language interpreters including Python and Ruby and ghc (for Haskell) come with a bignum library < 1629666698 739689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :more or less every high level language has one thrown in these days, though of course sometimes they use one of the previous ones as a backend < 1629666962 969061 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm thinking about Crystal, C, C#, Zig < 1629667017 176015 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea what Crystal is < 1629667107 919888 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like Ruby but LLVM < 1629667108 666148 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :GMP has at least one wrapper to just about any language you can think of from its native C interface, sometimes multiple wrappers < 1629667138 875719 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can be as fast as C basically < 1629667173 233119 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the difference from Ruby is that you have to declare types ahead, at least it was like that some years ago < 1629667201 51648 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in what way is it like Ruby? < 1629667237 876207 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was the initial idea to have the same syntax < 1629667344 42688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :weird < 1629667573 720083 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1629667753 51447 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1629667985 239680 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe I should try truffleruby first if it's already usable enough < 1629668005 531378 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :berry in August? no way. wait for next spring or summer. < 1629668042 520304 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/kostya/benchmarks < 1629668476 644045 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think most recent practical languages have bignum ability in their standard library or their package manager, although some of the bignum packages are of dubious quality (not in terms of accuracy, but in terms of performance or features) < 1629668604 631177 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well yes, if you include package manager, you always find mostly bad packages < 1629668645 599808 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Colobot: Gold Edition - alpha 0.2.0 released yesterday" < 1629668666 324243 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the hard part is finding the good packages, and knowing when to give up and just write your own < 1629669124 344479 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and by write your own, I mean write your own wrapper around an existing good quality library obviously, not invent your own wheel for every language) < 1629669675 854415 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, integrating well with the language's type system is often a major feature for me < 1629669678 314995 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that can be hard to wrap < 1629669721 882651 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of my major concerns about Rust's pure-Rust bignum package, apart from the size of bignum objects, is that it's bad at mixing signed bigints and unsigned bigints < 1629669742 914200 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, it varies a lot < 1629669764 877218 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :some libraries are trivial to wrap, others are almost impossible < 1629669802 641243 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, it depends on the language too < 1629669970 375762 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if the rust type system is now strong enough that you could write a library like eigen (which is in C++) in it, but there's no way you can just do a straightforward port < 1629670459 360710 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1629671137 636473 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629671270 676029 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629673014 727249 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[Special:Interwiki]] seems disabled somehow? Is there a public list of interwiki prefixes? < 1629673136 869576 :Koen__!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1629673208 470276 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might just not be installed? < 1629673212 15862 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: https://esolangs.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&meta=siteinfo&format=xmlfm&siprop=general|namespaces|namespacealiases|interwikimap|specialpagealiases|magicwords < 1629673216 675003 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think we use the default MediaWiki list of interwiki prefixes, though < 1629673225 122089 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of which wikipedia: is the only one people use in practice < 1629673264 261462 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, that URL for OEIS looks really odd < 1629673306 912283 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are there any interesting distributed systems sorts of esolangs? < 1629673319 413231 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&meta=siteinfo&format=xmlfm&siprop=interwikimap should be a list of just the interwikis < 1629673391 878277 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there may be some languages designed for programming games that run in a distributed sort of way < 1629673403 319695 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas, ais523: Impressive technique. Bookmarked, thanks. < 1629673423 535411 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I can't think of much that works in a delay-insensitive way (which is normally important for distributed programming) < 1629673448 970133 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cellular automata are pretty similar to distributed systems, but they typically rely on lock-step to work correctly < 1629673497 306130 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :incidentally, I was once designing a version of cyclic tag with multiple queues, which effectively ran on different threads, but never got around to finishing it – that was fairly similar to a distributed system < 1629673503 705012 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it was intended to compile into something, but I forget what) > 1629673521 548461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Concatenative language14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87537 5* 03Corbin 5* (+1375) 10Break ground on an important esolang concept which is poorly-handled by existing wikis. < 1629673589 314306 :vyv!~vyv@184.147.14.206 JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1629673616 512199 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: I agree we need an article about that, but what you've written so far isn't good at expressing the concept – the example isn't even concatentative < 1629673627 781805 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the important definition is that program concatenation is function composition < 1629673665 357013 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what you're writing about is just composability, which is also important, but there are ways to do that other than being concatenative < 1629673747 833571 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, that concatenative wiki is missing Underload, so I'm not sure I can take it seriously [add appropriate emoticon here, I'm not sure which one to use offhand but this sentence feels like it needs one] < 1629673974 864950 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Please be patient; I am writing each section one-at-a-time because I don't like losing lots of progress. < 1629673996 887249 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The important definition is the Von Thun one, with monoid homomorphisms, but we have to work up to that. < 1629674043 55019 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, fair enough < 1629674047 672684 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I'd rename "introduction" to "background" < 1629674134 44310 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yes, I mean asynchronous systems in particular. < 1629674159 601226 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Currently working on "classical theory". After that is a yet-untitled section on Von Thun's results, but gently enough to not make people drown in category theory. Finally, I want "modern generalizations" so that I can document interesting stuff unique to our study, like 2D langs. < 1629674159 827036 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Including individual node failures and so on. < 1629674215 802795 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that's a niche enough area that either a) there are no esolangs in that area, or b) every language in that area is automatically an esolang < 1629674219 398022 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I'm not entirely sure which < 1629674227 828881 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Selfishly, I want at least enough on this page so that I could mindlessly tell you whether [[Cammy]] is concatenative. < 1629674229 321517 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I went to a neighborhood free book giveaway yesterday and there was a book about categorical type theory < 1629674237 601996 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :was slightly surprised but not that surprised, this is san francisco < 1629674245 511350 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i didn't grab it though < 1629674262 722434 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i got a book about digital filter design which was sadly lacking the included 5.25" diskette with source code < 1629674275 542134 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :now i'll have to type it in from the book < 1629674280 771753 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I'd be interested in non-esolangs in that area too, I guess! < 1629674295 566227 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"the important definition is that program concatenation is function composition" hmm. is there a terminology for languages where if you concatenate two programs, then the resuling program performs all the side effects (including interactive IO) of the first one, then of the second one, like eg. brainfuck where the tape is not guaranteed to be initialized to zeros? < 1629674340 485760 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's heavyweight terminology, invoking what's known as "native type theory", but if I have to use that then I've probably failed. < 1629674372 275839 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: my previous job was in that area, but it was mostly in terms of implementing things at the library level, and I didn't learn much in terms of languages for the purpose (we were using general-purpose languages, not languages designed for distributed programming) < 1629674372 354397 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm mostly asking because Consumer society programs can be concatenated like that < 1629674424 705755 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I think most imperative languages allow that sort of program concatenation (barring questions about when the main program runs), although it probably isn't unique to imperative languages < 1629674480 751487 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the company's aim/thesis/goal was to prove that a special language wasn't necessary for that sort of thing, so we didn't spend that much effort on looking for one < 1629674485 653317 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: What sorts of things in that area? < 1629674514 112769 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was implementing the runtime support to allow programs to transparently access data on other machines, call stacks to span multiple machines, etc. < 1629674528 558688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, many imperative languages allow that, though C doesn't < 1629674532 371654 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I see, running unmodified programs. < 1629674535 799038 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :That sounds tricky. < 1629674536 404978 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1629674590 16291 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, are there languages which let you define functions multiple times and the definitions get concatenated? that seems like it might be useful for literate programming < 1629674605 351859 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Prolog's syntax and semantics would both let you do that, except that there's a specific rule that you aren't allowed to < 1629674621 983233 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think there might be a pragma to allow it?) < 1629674631 593507 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: hmm < 1629674649 605300 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting idea < 1629674655 239182 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Consumer Society can't allow that < 1629674686 848143 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think there must be some language (possibly esoteric) that's based on hooks or gosub-come-froms that might allow it < 1629674694 56482 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are those called? sub from? < 1629674705 846040 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in INTERCAL, NEXT FROM, but I think it's a nonstandard name < 1629674707 398032 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, probably no < 1629674712 156566 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it were a standard name, it would need to be renamed < 1629674726 890255 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm more interested in programs and semantics that are suited for a distributed environment and take advantage of it than pretending it doesn't exist. < 1629674772 111477 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, if you have two NEXT FROMs aiming at the same line in INTERCAL, the two subroutines run in parallel (and if they both return, the subsequent code runs twice in parallel – this is arguably a bug) < 1629674823 800695 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I understand; unfortunately I'm not sure I can help because I don't have much experience in that direction, even though I was working in the field < 1629674841 110003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there might be some GUI widget libraries where if you register two callbacks to an event, both get called in sequence < 1629674843 204607 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I vaguely remember various forms of calculus based on Greek letters other than lambda < 1629674865 788575 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah, I know what I recall this from < 1629674884 194939 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0-calculus for example < 1629674889 69310 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe that would be a good starting point? < 1629674900 270794 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1629674914 334462 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, I don't think it's exactly what you're looking for < 1629674973 983191 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I think Java works like that, but am not sure, they might run in parallel < 1629674974 990686 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :One big difference between multithreading on one computer and distributed systems is that failures are expected in the latter case. < 1629674986 878784 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think Pi-calculus types of things don't account for that too much. < 1629675004 582169 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you're using a sufficiently pure language, you can just retry < 1629675028 502155 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, you might want guarantees of systemwide progress even if any particular node fails. < 1629675032 289452 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :javascript's https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Promise can call multiple handlers < 1629675052 65687 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can register a handler, and if you register multiple, they're call called when the promise is fulfilled < 1629675235 153276 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also https://nodejs.org/dist/latest-v16.x/docs/api/events.html#events_events can have multiple callbacks < 1629675286 133855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, atexit in C can register multiple functions and all of them get called one after the other < 1629675314 254508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but of course that's just one (or a few) stack of callbacks, not any number of user-defined functions behaving this way < 1629675327 397063 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Prolog has both assert/assertz and asserta > 1629675362 997611 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87538&oldid=87462 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* B */ Language < 1629675371 311913 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think you can even inject cases into the middle of a predicate, although that involves more than a simple library predicate call < 1629675479 221318 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1629675856 272364 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mathematica and I think Maple allows you to define cases for a function in multiple different places of the source code with other definitions in between, the way that would be natural in prolog or perhaps in haskell but is not allowed. in all of these, cases will match by default so another definition won't be tried unless you specifically fail, but that's already true for prolog. < 1629675897 712500 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :normally the cases are distinguished by different patterns for their arguments, but the pattern matching is powerful enough to do anything including side effects of course < 1629675960 906450 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, that's an interesting point; I think Prolog's pattern matching does *not* allow side effects (or indeed function calls generally) < 1629675984 452517 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC Rust allows side effects in match guards but not on the patterns themselves < 1629676017 475097 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, pattern matching in Rust is a pain to define formally/comprehensively because the language allows insane definitions of == < 1629676022 645953 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, but in prolog you can fail from the body < 1629676029 847811 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if you can fail from the body of a Mathematica function < 1629676034 602210 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you probably can < 1629676052 965107 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, I think that's why Prolog doesn't bother with function calls in patterns, because you can retroactively unmatch the pattern later on < 1629676078 178513 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that's more like because prolog also doesn't bother with function calls in expressions < 1629676099 698324 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, does Rust pattern matching invoke the overloaded ==? < 1629676105 14240 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought it was only structural < 1629676116 870697 :vyv!~vyv@184.147.14.206 QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1629676156 713957 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: it doesn't, but the semantics are designed such that you can't use it at the same time as an overloaded == < 1629676157 361565 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :(plus boolean guards) < 1629676168 547075 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to avoid confusion about whether it would invoke it or not < 1629676174 794290 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean > 1629676185 530180 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Concatenative language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87539&oldid=87537 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2145) 10Explain the classical and categorical theories. < 1629676192 275507 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :#[derive(Eq)] implements an unsafe trait that you can't safely implement any other way < 1629676196 898629 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and pattern matching needs that trait to work < 1629676204 514802 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: but rust now has pattern guards as part of patterns now, don't they? I'm not quite sure, I don't follow what exactly they did there < 1629676213 477718 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, weird < 1629676215 642866 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that must be new-ish < 1629676241 843064 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, this is for matching constants only, it seems < 1629676255 345909 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :matching enum variants, etc., doesn't use Eq and you can use any enum you want < 1629676284 151555 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/31434 < 1629676330 642936 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still unstable, so very new < 1629676340 787684 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been learning Rust in a kind-of weird order, stumbling over parts of it, of various newness, at random < 1629676366 653796 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1629676411 568585 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I'm wrong. rust added *alternatives* in patterns, but match guards (which can contain arbitrary code to decide if the pattern matches) can still only go to top level, not into patterns < 1629676441 249021 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think right now, my primary languages for writing programs that are intended to do something are Rust and Perl < 1629676450 824731 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it used to be a mix of C and Perl, but Rust has displaced the C) < 1629676459 996202 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: LMK how feel I could improve. I need to survey the various langs on our wiki which call themselves concatenative and see if there's anything notable that needs to be discussed or explained. < 1629676503 664908 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's probably worth discussing row polymorphism, but I'm not an expert on the subject < 1629676547 257743 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if I understand it correctly, and I might not, it's a way to have typed concatenative stack-based languages using functions that are polymorphic over the unexamined parts of the stack) < 1629676575 405790 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although Wikipedia's definition implies it's more general than that, I first came across it in the concatenative contextt < 1629676612 426333 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the page is in a usable, if somewhat, barebones state at the moment < 1629676617 426222 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* usable, if somewhat barebones, < 1629676846 531729 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, it's definitely skeletal. < 1629676866 844926 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: perhaps one of the languages that are specialized for programming MUDs or text adventure games have all function definitions work in an event handler way that concatenates multiple handlers < 1629676900 716739 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, row polymorphism is intimately connected to the typical stack-based Forth desendant. IIRC Factor's type system is effectively just higher-order row-polymorphic signatures. < 1629677132 538799 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"skeletal" still reminds me of how Hollow Dogs the M:tG card still hasn't been errataed to have the Skeleton creature type < 1629677187 292033 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :give me my Phyrexian Zombie Skeleton Dogs already, Wizards < 1629677201 296319 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this line is to preempt any Changeling joke) < 1629677208 263840 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mostly use C for my own programs (I dislike some of the features of some of the programming languages intended to be a replacement for C), but sometimes I will use PostScript, or others < 1629677235 917565 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :A hollow dog is never empty. It is filled with thirst for the hunt. > 1629677517 256243 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category theory14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87540&oldid=74393 5* 03Corbin 5* (+632) 10Give a couple ways to apply category theory to programming language theory. < 1629678017 469141 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I wonder what your opinion on zig is. it seems like it's trying to be for C what Rust is for C++, and I think it's doing that pretty well < 1629678060 506547 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I guess their selling point of trying to provide a sane (Zig AND C AND C++) compiler package for Windows isn't a selling point for you < 1629678162 946352 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess my opinion is that making a better C is incredibly easy, the issue is trying to make a C that's better *enough* for people to use it < 1629678182 818260 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for me, Rust is better by enough to be worth changing my main systems language < 1629678202 936934 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: and providing a sane compiler environment for Windows, which is something we're lacking right now, is a good way of doing that < 1629678222 806755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, I download the package to get a C++ compiler for windows, and get curious what else is there < 1629678250 758929 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like git, which provides a vim port and a terminal for windows, you install it, and wonder what the version control thing that the distribution is named of is about < 1629678250 952722 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I normally use Strawberry Perl if I want a C compiler for Windows (there's one bundled in with it) < 1629678266 603942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: does it have a C++ compiler? < 1629678271 476278 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I don't think that's what made git popular < 1629678275 144582 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'm not sure, but probably < 1629678277 819835 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also thanks for that recommendation, I might look at it < 1629678297 186200 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: no, it didn't. the Linux kernel versioned with it did, sadly < 1629678299 324179 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's basically just gcc with competent packaging < 1629678314 937651 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, and that's the hard part. Zig distributes a clang with competent packaging. < 1629678332 418921 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree that competent packaging is the hard part, especially on Windows < 1629678336 823839 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's how you get a good C++ compiler, more so than trying to implement one from scratch < 1629678378 375166 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there used to be https://www.msys2.org/ which provides a gcc, but it's not been updated for years now < 1629678492 648622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe, https://scryfall.com/card/ice/137/kjeldoran-dead was originally printed as a Dead, while https://scryfall.com/card/all/55b/lim-d%C3%BBls-high-guard as a Skeleton. they really didn't know how to use creature types back then. < 1629678501 424651 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Windows is a moving target (although not to the extent Mac OS X is), it's a pain to keep things updated there < 1629678541 291543 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, it's definitely not an easy task < 1629678554 626044 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the situation with the standard libraries is especially disappointing < 1629678563 475500 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Dimir House Guard is a rare armored skeleton) < 1629678591 777582 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(there's a libc bundled with Windows but it's nonstandard and your aren't officially supposed to use it; there are also libcs bundled with MSVC which are more standards-compliant, but are licensed in such a way that you can't use them as the libc for an open-source compiler) < 1629678629 894830 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and the raw system calls aren't supposed to be exposed to applications – although some applications are using them anyway, it seems – so writing your own libc from scratch is also very difficult) < 1629678734 932309 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait < 1629678746 984262 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can't use MSVC as the libc as an open-source compiler? < 1629678758 897273 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as opposed to just with gcc because of gcc's GPL license or something? < 1629678784 989305 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not even if you have to install the library separately, it's not distributed with the compiler toolkit? < 1629678847 518483 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I forget the exact license terms, but I know they prevent that working somehow < 1629678855 323367 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not that I think GPL would forbid that, but just in case) < 1629678883 446915 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know MS has some licences where you can't redistribute the library or font, but if you download it directly from Microsoft, you can use it < 1629678961 78857 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that doesn't apply to the part of the library that wraps syscalls to Windows API calls, right? just the part that's trying to be a C standard library? < 1629679155 796629 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is horrible, I've been on Microsoft's website for about 10 minutes now and still can't find the EULA for these things < 1629679168 786362 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I even found a download page, but the license isn't specified on the download page itself < 1629679206 267473 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of the pages I found suggested installing Visual Studio to view the license < 1629679259 966426 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found links to webpages that were supposed to contain the license terms, but they didn't < 1629679286 945478 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, they're the same library < 1629679354 656202 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I just want a "better C" that's better enough that I can use it. < 1629679393 135079 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust seems much more like "better C++" to me, and I that's not really the style of language I want. < 1629679453 545797 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair enough; I think that's a fair assessment of the language < 1629679464 337278 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would probably have been using C++ already if I thought it was better enough than C, but I didn't < 1629679667 706636 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, this is new: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/windows/universal-crt-deployment?view=msvc-160 < 1629679673 196573 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Windows finally has a centralised C runtime! < 1629679735 228285 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :2015, so more recently than I last looked at this nonsense < 1629679978 653935 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: what does "centralized C runtime" mean? I seem to recall they introduced an ABI stable between MSVC releases around that point < 1629680105 139084 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the C runtime is installed with/by the OS, rather than being installed along with every C program you want to run on you rcomputer < 1629680147 103197 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for a while, Windows was using a hybrid model in which the C runtime was installed by installers for the various C programs you installed on your computer, but into a location that Windows Update knew about, and it kept it updated once it was there < 1629680154 695386 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but just having one copy that's kept updated by the OS makes a lot more sense < 1629681949 311492 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think one of the worst things about C is the confusing syntax for types. Although, there are also many features that I like about C that the other ones are not doing. < 1629682013 630440 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :One thing I like about C is the macros, and also that it doesn't use Unicode < 1629682190 698158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1629682679 718030 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It had a secret mini-CRT for a long time, right? < 1629682698 619630 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently since Windows 98 or so? < 1629682705 875746 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean msvcrt.dll. < 1629682734 732940 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I thought that was always the model, but you didn't get a libc newer than the Windows version that way, while programs wanted to work on older versions of Windows, so they installed the libc anyway < 1629682776 160040 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and since like Windows 7, Windows update installs future versions of the runtime too in updates < 1629682788 765842 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: yes, it was used internally by the OS < 1629682792 754958 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this is just a vague impression, it's probably not accurate < 1629682811 792958 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and was very similar to a libc, but had a few bizarre differences, just different enough to break C programs that weren't aware of them < 1629682832 755437 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the most famous is snprintf returning 0 if the number of characters which would be printed were too long for the buffer < 1629682836 415945 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe -1 < 1629682881 476439 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :somewhere I have an snprintf wrapper that allocated a larger buffer and tries again if snprintf returns an impossible value, so that it'll work with msvcrt.dll < 1629682912 658909 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(obviously, having snprintf return the expected buffer length itself is much more useful…) < 1629683029 426717 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :whereas the MSVC library has a version that prints floating point numbers in a way that doesn't match C99 or gnu libc, and since implementing formatting floating point is so hard, a lot of programs use it as the backend for formatting floats, sometimes even with a fixup to print floating point numbers the usual way < 1629683048 905205 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :usual for C99 that is, Windows libc might have priority < 1629683094 305408 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's so odd, I wish the libc makers could cooperate to fix this somehow, like by introducing a low-level function that formats floats always in the unix/C99 way < 1629683107 304335 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't even have to be a full printf function < 1629683107 886092 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think libc should be split into two parts < 1629683125 226130 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of which just does system calls / OS interaction with minimal logic (only just enough to smooth out differences between OSes) < 1629683130 496183 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the other part is platform-independent < 1629683143 621061 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course if they do it now, it will only get a use ten years later, but software developers don't have term limits and regular elections < 1629683159 807137 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's weird that if you want, say, a portable fopen(), you also need to pull in a strlen() too < 1629683213 764477 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at a previous job, my boss asked me why his Haskell program was getting affected by libc buffering when it wasn't written in C < 1629683237 390737 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had to explain that most programming languages went via C to interface with the operating system because it's simpler than writing code to interface with every operating system yourself < 1629683238 120302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( should software developers also be changed like diapers? ) < 1629683251 525523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and politicians) < 1629683294 80729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION gets a deja vu about ais523's last anecdote
< 1629683309 59144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: do you mean changed that frequently, or changed when they stink, or treated as identical throwaway ones? < 1629683334 65748 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Go is a notable exception < 1629683341 168989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well for politicians, ALL OF THE ABOVE obviously < 1629683387 925010 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :also Rust makes it pretty easy to use a statically linked musl instead of system libc < 1629683408 487382 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, I just realised that I don't know how stdbuf worked < 1629683426 248275 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assumed it did something to the file handle at the OS level, but that doesn't make sense because stdio buffering is a libc thing, not an OS thing < 1629683450 591836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :for developers, i may not have been entirely serious. < 1629683484 722878 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh i didn't know about stdbuf until just now < 1629683487 540124 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just looked at the source: it's an LD_PRELOAD trick < 1629683490 476349 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i assume it... yeah < 1629683498 907706 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so presumably it's replacing parts of stdio < 1629683510 999153 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :either shim the libc functions or just insert some code which calls whatever libc functions set the buffer mode < 1629683540 721650 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :NOTE: If COMMAND adjusts the buffering of its standard streams ('tee' does for example) then that will override corresponding changes by 'stdbuf'. Also some filters (like 'dd' and 'cat' etc.) don't use streams for I/O, and are thus unaffected by 'stdbuf' settings. < 1629683571 801011 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1629683579 752343 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hadn't heard of stdbuf until today < 1629683609 167115 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why isn't that done with libc supporting it directly somehow so that stdbuf just has to pass it the information somewhere? < 1629683630 485950 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean on Linux at least < 1629683642 120943 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with some sorts of input and output filehandles, pv doesn't actually do any reading and writing at all, just tells the kernel to move information around internally and counts how much information moved < 1629683660 651887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is pv? < 1629683674 24409 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: would have to be an environment variable, I think, and having lots of undocumented environment variables is a security risk < 1629683677 574887 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :pv measures the speed of a pipe < 1629683690 366451 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, counts the bytes going through < 1629683713 639391 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically cat with a progress bar < 1629683867 194950 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that's true, though LD_PRELOAD env-var is documented in ld.so(8), TERMINFO_DIRS is docuemnted in terminfo(5), LOCPATH is documented in locale(7), and all those are security risks. < 1629683889 711456 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if there is some better way to pass that information for stdbuf that is less of a security risk < 1629683906 309465 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm not sure what it could be < 1629683963 417800 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it'd have to be some sort of fcntl that only existed for stdio's benefit < 1629683969 872195 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a "suggested buffering behaviour" or such < 1629683974 865052 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think there's a way to create a kernel level file description that behaves like a normal one in general but has some auxiliary information that the child can extract. < 1629683981 983903 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yeah < 1629683991 514582 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or more likely a general one to attach hints < 1629684076 816230 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had before had a few different ideas which can be used for this < 1629684083 688841 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(other uses are also possible) < 1629684101 233335 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you could use a lopp device, that can wrap some existing file descriptors, though perhaps not all types that are readable or writable < 1629684142 918664 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that couldn't remove buffering, only add it (unless stdio knew that writes to that sort of loop device shouldn't be buffered) < 1629684144 33941 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :except I think that's super-user only < 1629684159 733632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: no, I mean you could more easily attach hint information to that < 1629684176 261557 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and since it's a device, it will be unbuffered by default < 1629684190 725085 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or wait < 1629684196 211027 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that only char devices, not block devices? < 1629684233 551974 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the problem with using devices for this is that they need device numbers, which are in limited supply < 1629684262 515854 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I thought it was specifically ttys that had weird buffering behaviour, but even then, writes to ttys are line-buffered by stdio < 1629684298 473158 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :One idea might be if the C library would read a environment variable and set them (unless overridden), but then the C library must be written to take advantage of that. There is also the case of file descriptors; possibly allowing file descriptors to be attached somehow (and for this attachment to be visible in /proc) < 1629684310 710120 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not even that. libc docs says "Newly opened streams are normally fully buffered, with one exception: initially line buffered." < 1629684331 803644 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, specifically terminal devices < 1629684447 460348 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well this stdbuf is an esoteric hack I guess, one that you hopefully don't need because programs where you may want to change the buffering have that built-in as an option < 1629684569 495547 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a handy hack to know < 1629684582 611604 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :now i'm wondering if it could generalize to some 'run these libc calls before main()' type of wrapper < 1629684587 694626 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :which could actually probably be a gdb script < 1629684638 374786 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Free Hero Mesh does flush or disable buffering in some cases in order to allow ts to be used to time parts of the program. < 1629684649 682125 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw I dreamt of a kernel feature where there's a Linux namespace such that different namespaces can have different wall clocks, differing not just in the timezone (which is mainly a user-space thing and can already be overridden with an env-var) but different offset and speed correction and even different idea of which months have leap seconds. this would probably be more esoteric than useful. < 1629684668 857310 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is an old libc hack to try to convince a process that the time is what you say it is < 1629684681 68877 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :was this from an actual dream < 1629684689 829193 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: more like a daydream < 1629684698 530992 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's so old that I think it predates clock_gettime < 1629684726 732592 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this would be useful for running programs reproducibly < 1629684739 607772 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I saw once a program that can do that, and I think that the system emulation interface should be designed to allow this including stealthy. < 1629684742 714282 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: perhaps, but it's not really enough for that < 1629684742 727390 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I think leap seconds are mostly handled in userspace? < 1629684766 147575 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, I think they're handled by the same daemon that synchronizes time to NTP < 1629684771 360826 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on Linux that is < 1629684788 440301 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think the kernel knows about them < 1629684800 977095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I could be wrong here < 1629684854 186479 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :running programs reproducibly is really hard these days if you want any kind of performance < 1629684900 490492 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the CPU itself doesn't aim to run things completely reproducibly < 1629684912 127796 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Swiss Ephemeris has its own handling of leap seconds (since it is necessary to know about past and future leap seconds), in order to convert between UTC and ephemeris time < 1629684939 459397 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is something I thought of, design the CPU instruction set with the idea that you can run programs completely reproducibly < 1629685039 648203 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: perhaps a CPU could provide such a mode, but it's not easy < 1629685047 462140 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think on modern x86, the vast majority of commands are intended to be reproducible in register/memory effect, if not timing < 1629685063 141439 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and most of the others have options to disable them or emulate in software < 1629685080 34602 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the main lack of reproducibility comes to things like the sequence in which multiple threads are interleaved < 1629685153 489628 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: perhaps, but there are all sorts of ways to leak informaton about caching and timing and speculation, some of them deliberately intended for measuring performance and microoptimzing your code, some just incidentally exposing something like the software transactional memory instructions which are used to implement mutexes and the like, and you can just ask for the time or randomness deliberately < 1629685204 720174 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the OS not being reproducible adds to that cake, because a program can tell if a page is swapped in or not if it wants to < 1629685207 771277 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and more < 1629685287 692207 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :RDTSC and RDRAND can both be switched off I think < 1629685304 323859 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and most (but probably not all) of the side-channels come down to timing < 1629685458 522914 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Including fake timing if needed, and designing the rest of the system to support this too, including the BIOS. Also excluding much of the complexity of modern systems, such as out of order execution, automatic caching, etc < 1629685471 31904 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did sort of wonder what it would take to make an interpreter that aims to be reproducible, even on different hardware, slower than native code but still performant enough. Mostly for the purpose of being able to run user-submitted code like bfjoust and get a deterministic result. The hard part is that need to decide when the code is terminated with a timeout, reproducibly and without overhead, without < 1629685476 976188 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :assuming that every single memory access has to go to the main memory without caches. < 1629685545 363128 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: can the OS disable software transactional memory? all debugging and peformance thingies? checking what pages are swapped in is fixable if you don't allow swapping any of the pages I guess. < 1629685591 291128 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :performance counters and debugging variables can definitely be made inaccessible from userspace (in fact, I think they are by default, and gdb has to ask the kernel to set the debugging variables for it) < 1629685632 504786 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :software transactional memory, I'm not sure on, IIRC the current Intel implementation is buggy anyway and so it gets switched off entirely in BIOS or microcode or somewhere like that < 1629685639 377128 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not sure if they've fixed it yet) < 1629685667 425589 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1629685710 746917 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: out of order execution is interesting, in that it's in theory possible to write programs to not need it simply by reordering the commands, but modern processors pretty much have to implement it so that compilers don't need to generate specific code for every processor model < 1629685753 172230 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: what do you do with detecting what's in the various code caches using ill-advised self-modifying code? < 1629685756 182693 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for caching, processors would probably be faster with manual caching in many cases < 1629685758 829156 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, that might not work < 1629685768 47938 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: that causes a machine nuke nowadays if you try to do it < 1629685770 764104 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1629685772 402855 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :very slow, but deterministic < 1629685798 213632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, on x86 it's probably deterministic enough < 1629685803 728930 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(where by "very slow" I mean tens of processor cycles, plus however long it takes to re-fetch the code from memory, so not all that slow in an absolute sense) < 1629685814 414182 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(at least for things that you can do in userspace) < 1629685875 902317 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting, this makes it sound less hopeless than I thought < 1629685881 430556 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know whether verr/verw (the "check which pages are swapped in" commands) are disabled < 1629685898 16875 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* can be disabled < 1629685899 932780 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: you can just disable caching for that < 1629685901 262573 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are used very rarely, tohugh < 1629685922 330709 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :um < 1629685923 902055 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, swapping is under kernel control (not processor control), so you could just swap deterministically if you wanted to < 1629685924 546935 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :disable swapping < 1629685933 517607 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can actually disable caching < 1629685937 578284 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you probably shouldn't, but it's *possible* < 1629685945 312489 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, but here I meant disable swapping < 1629685988 415642 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one thing that is missing in the x86 instruction set is a way to tell it "I'm no longer using this memory and don't care if you put arbitrary data in it" < 1629686004 896697 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this would be useful to let it know that it doesn't have to write its caches back to memory < 1629686017 853084 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1629686020 556736 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although it would provide side-channel opportunities) < 1629686022 405771 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well < 1629686043 157165 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess there's INVD but that affects all memory on the entire system, which isn't the most useful operation :-D < 1629686052 541191 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and it's ring 0 for obvious reasons) < 1629686134 456681 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1629686150 781482 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that doesn't seem like a thing you'd often want to do < 1629686158 492583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean for all memory in the system < 1629686167 511369 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for a specific cache line it would be useful < 1629686366 5191 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't seem useful to me either < 1629686461 507126 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is a way to disable RDTSC, but can you disable RDRAND or RDSEED in a sane way? < 1629686499 731851 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, maybe not < 1629686533 261057 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's probably some insane way to disable it, intended only for debugging or performance monitoring or virtual machines or reflushing the BIOS < 1629686553 599242 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"rdrand" doesn't appear anywhere in the documentation of the various processor bits that can be messed with by the OS < 1629686566 355028 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, this is some fairly old docs I'm looking at < 1629686572 944040 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I grepped it, didn't search manually) < 1629686683 490459 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :presumably you'd also have to make sure the program isn't interrupted by signals in a nondeterministic way, and terminated on some fatal conditions like segfaults < 1629686707 62094 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :signals generated by the processor are very, very deterministic on x86 < 1629686724 632672 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to the extent that it's documented which order they get delivered in if multiple signals are generated simultaneously < 1629686727 609718 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and even then I wonder if there might be detectable side-effects from hardware interrupts that aren't related to the process at all < 1629686751 891872 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hardware interrupts relative to software execution are a lot less deterministic, obviously < 1629686766 857480 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, but only if the signals are triggered at exactly the same time, which you can't do if you want to allow the underlying process to have varying timing < 1629686856 817327 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, it matters if they're triggered by the same instruction < 1629686898 113886 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a common example is simultaneous page fault and general protection fault, if a userspace program tries to use a kernelspace command on memory it can't access < 1629686910 933384 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, not common, I doubt that happens in practice very often < 1629686920 438123 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, maybe that's not too serious and they don't have detectable side effects in your user program if you're careful < 1629686921 649448 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but common in that it doesn't take much setup and there are lots of ways to do it < 1629687773 663766 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't like there are too many functions for making new file descriptors, and I would remove most of them; for many cases openat can be used, and sometimes newfd. (This simplifies overriding them or recording the used file descriptors, and other things too) < 1629688182 420305 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is newfd? I don't have a manual page for it < 1629688217 350455 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least there isn't a creatat (openat can do the same thing) < 1629688787 743928 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is my own idea; it causes the next file descriptor to use the specified number (even if it is already in use) instead of assigning one automatically < 1629692089 854225 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think that's thread-safe, because another thread might open an FD in between the newfd and openat calls < 1629692128 778968 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the desired FD number should be an argument to openat? < 1629692147 548307 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(alternatively, you could go the other way, where FD numbers don't follow any pattern at all and are arbitrary; this is what WebAssembly does) < 1629692853 489469 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :That seems like a good way to me. < 1629692866 813306 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's what Windows does, I guess. How does Windows handle standard descriptors like stdout? < 1629693843 306094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1629693897 837216 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think being able to override specific existing file descriptors is useful. Although, making it a argument of openat (and -1 meaning automatic) will work too. < 1629693899 682929 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :the libc file descriptor layer maps the stdin, stdout, and stderr file handles (which can be retrieved from GetStdHandle()) to file descriptors 0, 1, and 2 < 1629693929 374295 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs * :citrons < 1629693937 356757 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a QUIT :*.net *.split < 1629693937 580731 :citrons_!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1629693940 648619 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :GetStdHandle, got it. < 1629693943 765714 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :(since on Windows, file descriptors aren't an OS-level feature at all, they're just an API that libc implements on top of the Win32 API) < 1629693977 343124 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, I didn't mean file descriptors, I meant how you get the handle to stdout at all. < 1629694000 22739 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, fair < 1629694000 967557 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess GetCurrentProcess is similarly a way to get a handle to the current process. < 1629694008 368369 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep < 1629694017 921642 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you just have known calls that get handles. That seems fine. < 1629694037 856481 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It probably makes sense to have handles be arbitrary, and then have special ways to get special ones. < 1629694068 508499 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is the typical windows thing -- rather than having fixed constants or parameters to main or globals or something, you've got functions that retrieve opaque handles you can operate on < 1629694091 552032 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Seems fine to me. < 1629694093 2475 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be entirely fair, while it is weird to me coming from a unix mindset, it is not at all an unreasonable way of doing things < 1629694096 469962 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You could also have a known region of memory. < 1629694099 651371 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not all that weird. < 1629694107 138560 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's like auxvals in Linux for instance. < 1629694121 377247 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You could imagine having the file descriptors for in/out/err stored there. < 1629694129 617734 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :i also think those are weird :p < 1629694130 552060 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1629694130 789826 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1629694138 758532 :Riviera_!Riviera@user/riviera JOIN #esolangs Riviera ::) < 1629694169 700328 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs * :zzo38 < 1629694186 540639 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :
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< 1629694196 425495 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :All of them? < 1629694267 858088 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :auxvals as a concept, yeah. it's just a slightly odd additional mechanism, although i understand exactly why you'd do it < 1629694304 506609 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :How about argv and envp? < 1629694405 791347 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think probably the requested number (or -1) as the argument of openat is probably good. Also you can have POSIX compatibility (in the C standard library) in this way, and can make new specific numbes if you need that for some reason passing between programs, too. (Maybe it could also be usable for argv and envp too; I don't know) < 1629694433 469572 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing that makes auxvals kinda weird (at least to me) is that they aren't parameters to main() but they are parameters to _start < 1629694469 582230 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, well, main is a nonsense lie. < 1629694489 371647 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did say Linux, so the ABI I have in mind is the one the kernel sets up. < 1629694503 101739 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :i know that main isn't the actual entry point, but it is the actual API contract :P < 1629694520 551156 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :although to be sure the ELF entry point is also a hard API contract < 1629694534 412676 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Statically linked programs are where it's at. < 1629694566 385963 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :main is a libc API, and I'm not a big fan of libc. < 1629694570 184685 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and even a portable one! this isn't Linux-specific, it's an ELF thing!) < 1629694636 54995 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is but you're gonna have a hard time using any external libraries without libc (and writing to the raw Linux syscall interface has some really counterintuitive edge cases if you're more familiar with POSIX semantics) < 1629694684 452230 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course, if you actually are static linked, you are probably in sufficient control of what you depend on that you can just... not worry about that < 1629694736 227977 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The only external libraries I'm worried about are things like OpenGL where you have no choice but to use libc. < 1629694789 710278 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :For the most part the raw Linux interface seems much better and more usable than the libc interface. < 1629694797 671669 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah that's the main example where it's a necessity rather than convenience < 1629694853 460351 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example: ptrace(PTRACE_PEEKDATA) (and getpriority/nice) < 1629694870 961183 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ppoll's remaining timeout return value < 1629694891 924477 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :glibc used to *emulate* ppoll in userspace when the system call failed with ENOSYS, defeating the entire purpose of using ppoll. < 1629694915 900041 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The waitid() system call has a fifth argument but glibc hides it for no reason and makes you use deprecated calls to get at it. < 1629694947 649915 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The whole errno deal, of course. < 1629694966 777837 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then there's setuid. POSIX setuid sets the effective uid of the process. Linux setuid sets the effective uid of the thread, and now you have different privileges coexisting in your process < 1629694987 296557 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :pthread_create probably wins over doing it yourself with clone, which is admittedly pretty awkward. < 1629695116 309469 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine almost all cases of setuid are single-threaded anyway. < 1629695135 821678 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But that's good to know. Looking at musl, it just kills the current process if it fails to setuid on all threads. < 1629696782 405131 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :99% of the uses of setuid are dropping permissions, rather than raising them < 1629696802 861376 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think it's plausible to want to drop permissions on some threads and not others, although it might make it hard for them to communicate with each other < 1629696874 370938 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although, there are probably better permission models than the UNIX model) < 1629697434 912709 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.78 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1629698169 112587 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which pokemon rule options are missing/wrong? http://zzo38computer.org/misc/option.html < 1629698226 74632 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Pineal Gland Optics < 1629698984 129094 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:arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1629714927 164055 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1629715061 637445 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" I think libc should be split into two parts" => the problem is that libc has to be compatible with its old versions for a very long time, so it gathers lots of historical cruft that obviously shouldn't be there but we can't just remove it now < 1629715081 475128 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so some of what is and isn't in libc is partly accidental < 1629715143 579738 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and as for libc buffering of file handles, some programming language standard libraries actually reimplement it, rather than just forward the C thing. < 1629715239 660806 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the guaranteed sequential file descriptors in unix is also something we can't do much about. we can add a flag like O_CLOEXEC where the process tells the kernel that it doesn't require sequential file descriptor number, but we can't change the existing ABI\ < 1629715361 444873 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: as for more explicit control of memory caching, one thing I was wondering is if a CPU or virtual machine specialized on this could have, instead of a single eight-way L1D cache, a separate one-way L1D cache per index register, and every reference to data memory would use the L1D cache associated with the index register that is the base of < 1629715361 943481 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the memory address, at least by default < 1629715427 388456 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course the problem then is what happens when you try to write a memory address through multiple index registers < 1629715603 895532 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder why we need things like libc to be compatable < 1629715615 17442 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :all software is being constantly "maintained" < 1629715664 352582 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if libc changed they could just sort problems that come up, they probably wouldn't even notice a difference from normal maintanance < 1629715675 60377 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :maintenance* < 1629715727 863837 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :"all software is being constantly maintained" hahahahahahaha < 1629715749 554155 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1629716269 972687 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i am actively using a software that is abandoned for 6 years now < 1629716473 449934 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it Windows 7 ;-) < 1629716519 349941 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1629717060 12561 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :an Android phone_ < 1629717063 106519 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1629717130 98094 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :a linux software < 1629720829 882767 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no way, linux is maintained by paid employees of a Linux megacorporation in the Silicon Valley; oh wait... < 1629720890 941128 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, want to share two news about videogames < 1629720902 632305 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :1. OpenTTD is now in Steam < 1629720920 356914 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :2. Stray - Official Gameplay & Release Window Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4l6uWxe-vk < 1629721054 609173 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: OpenTTD is also in Debian, which just released a new major release, so you get a reasonably up to date version of OpenTTD if you install from there. or you can just download a binary from https://www.openttd.org/downloads/openttd-releases/latest.html < 1629721067 811361 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(sorry, I don't like Steam) < 1629721121 382417 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks liek it's even here https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/openttd < 1629721156 442395 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have compiled the openttd executable from source, so I know that works, but that was many years ago < 1629721163 538719 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :these days I just run a binary < 1629721365 837435 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :steam is handy -- you can see what your friends are playing and jump into multiplayer with them without leaving the game and registering more accounts around the web < 1629721431 124260 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also a handy way to save and share game screenshots < 1629721433 247104 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs : at a previous job, my boss asked me why his Haskell program was getting affected by libc buffering when it wasn't written in C – Probably it wasn’t, but everything does buffering because not buffering performs badly *except* for terminal interaction. Furthermore, ttys themselves distinguish raw (unbuffered) and cooked (line-buffered) mode for input only, so everything has to have < 1629721435 319384 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :those three buffering modes on at least certain handles. < 1629721627 57625 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Regarding the whole discussion of processor determinism, I was reminded of https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3212479 (“Your computer is not a fast PDP-11”). < 1629721702 345731 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-118.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs : I think being able to override specific existing file descriptors is useful. – That’s what dup2/dup3 is for, isn’t it? < 1629722458 210026 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hey, that's that cat game. < 1629722839 308837 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Stray, I mean; I don't think OpenTTD has any cats. You probably couldn't really see them, the scale it's at.) < 1629722980 658810 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1629723018 634406 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629723947 589659 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if some moments in that trailer are scripted or not < 1629723970 137000 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :such as when dude goes backward into a room and bumps into another one < 1629724066 290670 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/if/whether , right? < 1629724160 873366 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i said linux software, not the kernel < 1629724190 970629 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :same world < 1629724204 637935 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh, no < 1629724228 841727 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :not every oss project in existence is maintained by the linux foundation < 1629724929 399671 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629725202 191928 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah nvmd < 1629725891 978144 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how much category theory does fungot know? did he pick some up on the channel when you prepared all those models < 1629726096 989348 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: know category theory? < 1629726427 613254 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, where's fungot? < 1629726483 504616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@seen fungot < 1629726483 589470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :I saw fungot leaving #esolangs 9h 2m 25s ago. < 1629726483 972316 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :missing because of the pandemic probably < 1629726554 181574 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: libera rebooted two servers around that time, maybe fungot was on one of those < 1629726564 45763 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a JOIN #esolangs fungot :fungot-0.1 < 1629726610 521432 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep. This time it had reconnected, but not rejoined because it doesn't know how to. < 1629726875 538680 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Wait, @seen is back? < 1629726884 184106 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wasn't it broken for a decade or two? < 1629726937 289588 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no idea < 1629726944 100439 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@seen @seen < 1629726944 162857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't seen @seen. < 1629726964 235104 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@seen seen < 1629726964 314460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't seen seen. < 1629726971 162805 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? whatis seen < 1629726972 696294 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :whatis seen? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1629726975 879981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I had it disabled for a long time because it caused lambdabot to use noticably more memory, possibly leaking memory as well (though I never quite proved that) < 1629726977 14936 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`whatis seen < 1629726978 37766 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :seen(1hackeso) - no description < 1629727007 548174 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it made the difference between it becoming unresponsive and needing a restart every week and it being stable for basically forever, subject to network troubles < 1629727052 811796 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I fixed some shortcomings but mostly it's on a larger VM now where this is less of an issue. < 1629727056 286094 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION shrugs
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Comparison of various distros and ports trees based on number of packages and number of "fresh" up-to-date packages. < 1629731296 597502 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: only in the sense that the tireless contributors to OpenTTD managed to replace the original graphics from TTD and provide free graphics, so it's now free software enough even for Debian's standards, unlike the early versions. < 1629731653 111602 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Oh, that makes sense. Congratulations to them; it must have been a lot of work. < 1629732052 209608 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629732073 200641 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629732323 397910 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629732343 199663 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629733276 495006 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629733532 199761 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629734229 867201 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629734489 896484 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629734506 841022 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629734790 620713 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1629735716 661107 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629735737 665722 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629735987 932132 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629736007 667606 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629736616 147237 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629736636 439602 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629736888 15591 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629736908 444256 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629737516 251067 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629737538 238540 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629737787 361505 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629737808 217285 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629738116 275008 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629738138 409257 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629738387 551224 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629738408 498647 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1629738842 197442 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Jdonszelmann 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Collatz.png10]]" < 1629738898 341417 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1629738942 272511 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T > 1629739034 916474 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TRAIN!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87544 5* 03Jdonszelmann 5* (+8291) 10TRAIN! 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Who am I kidding, it is a stupid language made by a stupid person. ==Usage==..." < 1629747796 264426 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629747854 731270 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629747873 364641 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1629748385 360756 :impomatic_!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629748507 494994 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1629748507 647610 :impomatic_!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com NICK :impomatic < 1629748587 583414 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629748607 353983 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1629748742 205750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Oshaboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87557&oldid=83461 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+508) 10 < 1629750241 269764 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic > 1629752193 647907 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Malfunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87558&oldid=87555 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+39) 10/* Implementation */ cAt > 1629752801 4546 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sophie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87559&oldid=85358 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+0) 10typo < 1629753060 645157 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1629753107 706652 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 JOIN #esolangs user3456 :user3456 > 1629753782 325396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truthlang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87560 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+779) 10Initial > 1629753811 423052 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Oshaboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87561&oldid=87557 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+37) 10Added Truthlang > 1629754031 111264 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truthlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87562&oldid=87560 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+50) 10I just realized an interpreter would be a Truth Machine. > 1629754184 399811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truthlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87563&oldid=87562 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (-50) 10Undo revision 87562 by [[Special:Contributions/Oshaboy|Oshaboy]] ([[User talk:Oshaboy|talk]]) > 1629754254 274282 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truthlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87564&oldid=87563 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+93) 10Truth Machines aren't Truthlang Interpreters > 1629754372 495214 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truthlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87565&oldid=87564 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+29) 10/* Overview */ < 1629754742 348876 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1629755100 324912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Malfunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87566&oldid=87558 5* 03ArthroStar11 5* (+150) 10Put in size of playfield. Sorry, it was a big project with a complex specification, I'm not trying to spam. > 1629757194 422854 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scroll14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87567&oldid=87436 5* 03WreckingGames 5* (+1) 10 > 1629757283 636058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scroll14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87568&oldid=87567 5* 03WreckingGames 5* (+1) 10 < 1629757720 531172 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1629760526 727773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1629762931 496400 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87569&oldid=84431 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+147) 10Temporary fix for the edit blocking people are experiencing < 1629763034 221505 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1629763048 202610 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's unclear what the correct solution for the hello world page is < 1629763049 624084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh oh < 1629763075 691578 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :your temporary solution's a nice one to unblock things, but I'm not sure what the "correct" solution is < 1629763104 41524 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe we need some sort of dedicated hello world browser < 1629763116 254881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh < 1629763133 522129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah if we want people to be able to see everything on one page it may be awkward. < 1629763176 80618 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps splitting it up into 27 pages (one for each English letter and one for the languages whose names start with something else)? < 1629763200 599126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i was briefly considering just splitting A-M and N-~ < 1629763266 817290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :27 pages seems excessive to start with < 1629763327 969171 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :splitting it in half is probably enough for now, but maybe we'll want to split it more later < 1629763331 847632 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you want to split it, or shall I? < 1629763366 307198 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I'll do it > 1629763420 250122 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10moved [[02Hello world program in esoteric languages10]] to [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)]]: this has outgrown a single page < 1629763484 418019 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I suggested splitting to 5 pages < 1629763511 434247 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if we just split it in two, we'll split it again later and we'll get another set of broken links > 1629763577 546706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Editing Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87572 5* 03Ais523 5* (+90766) 10split from [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)]] < 1629763648 573866 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: "Editing" in the title > 1629763650 19165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Editing Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87573&oldid=87572 5* 03Ais523 5* (+270) 10introduction < 1629763715 569131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe that's on purpose? > 1629763732 168828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87574&oldid=87570 5* 03Ais523 5* (-90581) 10half this page has been moved to another page < 1629763737 507211 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, it isn't < 1629763744 258081 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I don't think so, it's probably bad copy-paste from the title > 1629763757 597982 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10moved [[02Editing Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)10]] to [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)]]: typo in name > 1629763873 361442 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87576&oldid=87571 5* 03Ais523 5* (+160) 10an intro page that links to the two parts that the list has been split into < 1629763902 56864 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this will do for now, I think < 1629763914 902408 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it'll generalise to more sections if we need to split the page up more later < 1629763917 109451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks < 1629763977 607498 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC the recommended maximum page size is 32KiB, and both halves are around three times that at the moment, so maybe splitting it up still further would be a good idea, but that can wait I think < 1629764047 915097 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm surprised by how evenly the esolangs seem to be distributed among the alphabet < 1629764057 656513 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most alphabetical lists of things have a bias towards the start of the alphabet < 1629765125 263200 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629765317 531399 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629767937 599272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :argh suddenly i realized why b_jonas was right to worry about broken links < 1629767976 221121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :all the sectioned ones. and there's just no way we can keep those from outside the wiki working, is there... < 1629767991 729541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :assuming there are any. < 1629768021 649711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*those with section anchors < 1629768235 899182 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, if it contains other links and it is clear from the anchor name where to find it, then the user should be able to figure out what to do, I suppose < 1629768624 95722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: i'm pretty many users are not that intelligent and i am not patient enough not to be annoyed by such a thing < 1629768630 617538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*pretty sure < 1629768712 104574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(ok right now i'm worked up and therefore not patient at all. time to calm down...) < 1629769441 984364 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, hopefully if there are any such links they will be fixed; if not, then the user figuring it out from what is written on there will have to do. < 1629771503 513423 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in theory we could come up with some piece of complicated JavaScript that looks to see if someone visits the intro page via a section link, and automatically jumps to the appropriate page < 1629771515 242022 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, I'm not in the right state of mind to write it right now < 1629772253 698704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh < 1629780119 903475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1629780296 552195 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mogus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87577&oldid=87551 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+612) 10Update computational class section, add programs. > 1629780563 625453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mogus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87578&oldid=87577 5* 03TriMill 5* (-12) 10Fixed a few mistakes in the examples, changed my attribution to my wiki account < 1629785061 713427 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the broken links problem might need to replace the current page with one that just says "hey, the page was splitted, look for your lang somewhere there" < 1629785070 786494 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk < 1629785110 914084 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is the problem with rosettacode -- instead of putting snippets in every lang dedicated page they put all on one page and it burns CPU like mad < 1629785171 757737 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.120 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1629786568 701427 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629787364 222951 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1629788464 582886 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1629788852 259052 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629788868 697400 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1629791957 350023 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: well, we can have a table of contents on the original page; except since ais moved that, short links like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page?curid=1322 are already broken < 1629792019 754405 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :those will point to the @-M version < 1629792292 533759 :Gozrad!~Gozrad@46.232.210.50 QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat < 1629792306 224135 :Gozrad!~Gozrad@46.232.210.50 JOIN #esolangs * :Goz Rad < 1629792374 627498 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629792502 629207 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629793245 607247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1629793547 231167 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629795000 289352 :Oshawott!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:958f:fa67:eb53:52d9 JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1629795174 852455 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:9d8f:ef44:726d:44f2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629795331 791940 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629795344 661080 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1629796143 706591 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629796154 673586 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1629805518 734278 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629806359 633129 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1629806468 731994 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1629806771 170393 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1629806867 228109 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just realized, my full backup script "http://www.perlmonks.com/index.pl?node_id=922051" , which I'm still using today, is 10 years old since publication. I'll be using it soon to make a full backup before I update the debian version. < 1629807577 598537 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1629807594 676248 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1629810001 244386 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629810528 301677 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.82.46.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1629810875 65464 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1629810899 637240 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1629811461 331231 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1629811461 441169 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon QUIT :*.net *.split < 1629811461 441201 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/ansible.staff.relrod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1629811461 642167 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1629811461 825217 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:nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :half of the job is done https://imgur.com/a/2X4sFFr now need to add textarea for stdin and render the annotated output somehow that is another fight with CSS _<> < 1629813778 229686 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1629814914 127158 :Riviera_!Riviera@user/riviera NICK :Riviera < 1629817965 400256 :j4cbo!sid186930@id-186930.brockwell.irccloud.com QUIT : < 1629817979 241840 :j4cbo!sid186930@id-186930.helmsley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :j4cbo < 1629818819 481747 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1629818843 635201 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1629821177 850981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jnavb 5* 10New user account > 1629821458 248615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87579&oldid=87505 5* 03Jnavb 5* (+171) 10/* Introductions */ < 1629822306 957987 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1629822917 512433 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1629824065 54106 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm in Ruby if you do a,b=[1,2] it results in a=1, b = 2; if you do a,b=3 it results in a=3,b=nil < 1629824082 661183 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't find how to do the same in JS https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Destructuring_assignment < 1629824122 750717 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in my annotated log each stack item is either a number or [number, annotation] < 1629826082 234493 :Koen_!~Koen@76.161.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1629826529 355003 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose this looks fine enough https://i.imgur.com/c7Funvz.png < 1629826567 921800 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon 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:impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629843467 730308 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1629844198 159477 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87586&oldid=87342 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+328) 10testing pixelated scaling for EnlargeImage template < 1629844461 236648 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:315f:a067:5561:71af JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1629844973 913195 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629844994 725608 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1629845106 44704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:EnlargeImage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87587&oldid=8796 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+49) 10if someone can think of a wiki markup only way to apply this style, please change it! > 1629845208 688445 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Piet-Q14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87588&oldid=35075 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+142) 10 < 1629845245 124580 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629845264 734645 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629845872 296544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1629846261 78135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : the broken links problem might need to replace the current page with one that just says "hey, the page was splitted, look for your lang somewhere there" <-- well yeah, that's what ais523 already did essentially < 1629846297 445330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just got a bit obsessive thinking about it yesterday. < 1629846447 10544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: in other obsessive thinking, i've kept wondering a bit about your "find two files that break merging" problem. last i spoke about it i'd confirmed that double bisection (with careful balancing) is optional up to 10 files. however then it stopped being obvious. now i've found a corner case where a different algorithm usually handles _better_ than double bisection, in fact it achieves the < 1629846453 24936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :theoretical limit of that OEIS function i linked. < 1629846461 941654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*is optimal up to 10 files < 1629846536 161514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :with that, i've shown that 11, 12, 13 and 15 optimal searches that are _not_ double bisections. (for 14 double bisection gives the OEIS optimum.) < 1629846562 647905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :16 seems to require analyzing a different more complicated corner case which i haven't finished. < 1629846710 564477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :the corner case i've found is where you've done the initial bisection down to 3 files (so one of those must be a target file) out of n. continuing with the double bisection is then only optimal if n is 2^k+{1,2}. < 1629846857 184313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if you get down to 2 / 4 files in contrast, double bisection is always / usually optimal.) > 1629847092 884455 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87589&oldid=70256 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+23) 10Add category Languages. < 1629847105 279292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm b_jonas probably isn't here. i guess i should stop monologuing until he is. < 1629847569 632096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : oerjan: well, we can have a table of contents on the original page; except since ais moved that, short links like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page?curid=1322 are already broken <-- i don't think i'm going to worry about link formats which only experts know about. > 1629847814 702656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87590&oldid=87586 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+121) 10/* Mycelium Hello, World! */ > 1629848403 411340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07English14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87591&oldid=87584 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer */ Overflow scroll < 1629849608 146395 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: hmm < 1629849619 680738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hi < 1629849675 857252 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if this is related to opitmal sorting networks or optimal interactive sorting protocols that minimize the number of comparisons < 1629849710 374071 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or that weird screws and nuts comparison problem < 1629849713 35727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps, although the difference is that the underlying tests here don't really come from a _total_ order < 1629849739 354472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :you still can structure them in a binary tree, though, which is why they must obey the OEIS function limit < 1629849773 951728 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629849793 770763 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629849809 737589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the function can be described as: minimum sum of depths of leaves in a binary tree with a given number of leaves) < 1629849823 818984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ftr I don't need an optimal method; close to optimal for large numbers and optimal for small numbers is already fine for me < 1629849843 662155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :true, as i said i just got obsessed about the question < 1629849922 752188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also finding the optimal method might get hairy in more complicated cases: for 16 files i'm having to look at the corner case with _5_ files out of 16 < 1629849954 261372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :which looks like it _might_ be done better than by bisection but i haven't wrapped it up < 1629850005 643801 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I logread this channel anyway < 1629850045 242045 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1629850048 642879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :a general principle seems to be that the problem gets harder when the number of possible pairs is close to a power of 2 (because that minimizes the slack you have in balancing) < 1629850064 751356 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629850141 221612 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-67.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you care about the minimum that is, not eg. the average < 1629850172 731802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm actually caring about the average over all possible pairs < 1629850209 98599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is OEIS(n)/n for a sufficiently balanced tree < 1629850223 994698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :er < 1629850235 20636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's when n is the number of possible pairs. < 1629850264 328891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also for a _perfectly_ balanced tree that also forces the minimum < 1629850288 158606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/perfectly/sufficiently/ < 1629850315 232088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well that _is_ perfectly for that given number < 1629850359 639854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the only way to have that is for all the leaves to be at exactly 2 levels - otherwise you can improve by rearranging. < 1629850378 321782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well or 1 level for an exact power of 2) < 1629850612 262483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, i'm monologuing again (MWAHAHAHA) < 1629851786 259348 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1629851787 536123 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1629851860 626545 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1629852039 962588 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1629852617 776178 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1629852635 671340 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1629852776 279559 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@178-133-189-55.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1629852840 586887 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Client Quit < 1629852857 656337 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1629853281 872029 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1629853907 155015 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1629853920 709682 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1629854517 968458 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1629854535 674343 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1629854761 51922 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1629854775 68074 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :j #dragonbox-pyra < 1629854789 468166 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :woops < 1629854981 222734 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-147-136-221.range86-147.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1629855667 772122 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which web browsers can you write dynamic extensions in C? < 1629855952 471275 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :none anymore < 1629855986 370990 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they want to remove plugins, and remove even the feature of supporting plugins < 1629856058 253212 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :whether it's activex, ppapi or npapi < 1629856094 618073 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :does the south korean banking system still run on activex or did they fix that finally < 1629856135 668763 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :LiveConnect and XPConnect might still works < 1629856145 634678 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :None of those are what I had meant anyways though; I mean extensions and not plugins of web pages < 1629856198 464784 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :well ppapi/npapi are sort of both < 1629856210 245878 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :extension can only be in webextension nowadays < 1629856275 147985 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think WebExtensions doesn't work well enough < 1629856307 110896 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :i do too, they have LESS features than the previous solution < 1629856312 4671 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we don't have anything else < 1629856359 842820 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still use the old version of Firefox with XUL, since I dislike many of the features of the new one < 1629856394 849921 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then you can probably still use the old firefox extensions < 1629856398 534480 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and npapi < 1629856403 183949 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although I have ideas how a better web browser should be written, one of the ideas is that extensions should be C < 1629856426 399374 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :all plugins already are C < 1629856484 348001 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, HTTP, HTTPS, HTML, and many other things should also be implemented as extensions, although the "data" URI scheme will be a part of the core system < 1629856618 212112 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, and we should restore support of ftp, ftps, sftp, gopher, gemini, ipfs, tor, etc... in browsers < 1629856627 512297 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :alongside with rtf, sgml, tex, markdown and others < 1629856669 313125 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :IDE (and toolchains) already have something similar with https://langserver.org/ < 1629856727 779056 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it WAS made by microsoft, but it's still a very nice idea, completely separating the tool, from the language, from the compiler < 1629856771 378025 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :most IDE and tools already supports it < 1629856845 13586 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, FTP, Gopher, Gemini, IPFS, etc can also be implemented as extensions and should be included with the browser. (Implementing nearly all of the URI schemes (except data: and some uses of about:) in extensions makes it more uniform and allow better customization, and ensures that the extension interface works good enough) < 1629856913 139480 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu PRIVMSG #esolangs :