< 1630540870 534051 :SystemFFan!~SystemFFa@188.70.6.7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1630546216 422825 :src!~src@user/src QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1630547492 486788 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1630547494 376563 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :[ Jump past the matching ] if the cell at the pointer is 0 < 1630547494 433603 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :] Jump back to the matching [ if the cell at the pointer is nonzero < 1630547494 647003 :j-bot!~jbot@irc.supplies PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: |value error: is < 1630547494 660798 :j-bot!~jbot@irc.supplies PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: | Jump past the matching]if the cell at the pointer is 0 < 1630547530 87692 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if ] has to do any check actually or just go back to the [ and [ will do the check < 1630547569 778424 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably only [ has to have a condition < 1630548041 483556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: yeah you can choose to put the check on only one < 1630548097 659466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you do check, you should jump to after [ for the second case too < 1630548143 926141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, can. < 1630548207 844759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :reversible brainfuck is similar, except you _must_ check on both and jump past, since the tests are reversed from each other < 1630549302 360865 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1630549302 360906 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1630550208 606259 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1630550327 355747 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1630556770 895833 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopefully this is it https://i.imgur.com/tEdX7dL.png at least it passes these tests https://dpaste.org/73HP/slim < 1630559260 522083 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1630559565 669564 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ printf "++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++." | ./bin/rasel examples/bf_interpreter.rasel | hexdump -C < 1630559565 718353 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :00000000 48 65 6c 6c 6f 20 57 6f 72 6c 64 21 0a |Hello World!.| < 1630559566 821712 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hooray < 1630562608 106448 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a book called "Concrete Mathematics". They mention the operation "mod", and also "mumble" which is the other one (x mumble y = y ceiling(x/y) - x). Should they be called "punk" (according to another suggestion in this book), or do you like mumble? Or is there another name for this? > 1630563039 614261 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RASEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87906&oldid=87881 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+202) 10/* Computational class */ added link to bf interpreter < 1630563248 124973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@check \x y -> y==0%1 || y * ceiling(x/y) - x == x `rem` y < 1630563250 58491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : error: < 1630563250 98295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : • No instance for (Integral (Ratio Integer)) arising from a use of ‘ceiling’... < 1630563255 661344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops < 1630563273 604834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@check \x y -> y==0 || y * ceiling(x%y) - x == x `rem` y < 1630563275 634921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 9 tests and 3 shrinks): < 1630563275 640925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 7 3 < 1630563312 991287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess it's not that. < 1630563376 139440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right < 1630563440 536101 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is this @check thing? < 1630563481 930200 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It checks whether a proposition is true or false. < 1630563484 957148 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :v. convenient < 1630563505 767907 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630563510 849366 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it a built in haskell tool? < 1630563590 354780 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :must be something similar in mathematica; but it's cool how it says "after 9 tests..." > 1630564950 669475 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87907&oldid=87648 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+466) 10/* Main table */ added RASEL/Brainfuck < 1630566509 12216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/QuickCheck > 1630566618 788266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GG14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87908 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+74) 10Created page with "'''GG''' is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Hyperdawg]]" < 1630566661 35306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: it's not a theorem prover, but a generator of random test cases < 1630566679 371624 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :like fuzz testing? < 1630566694 292856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps? i don't know that. < 1630566738 342471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although it also some mechanism for reducing the size of test cases, that's what the "3 shrinks" is about. < 1630566742 386163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*also has < 1630566819 590733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@check \x y z -> x + (y + z) == (x + y) + z < 1630566821 156112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : +++ OK, passed 100 tests. < 1630566834 903621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@check \x y z -> x + (y + z) == (x + y) + (z :: Double) < 1630566836 764638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 2 tests and 7 shrinks): < 1630566836 792795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 0.6571961060614686 -0.45461759492755616 -0.11907641039759291 < 1630566856 672351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's IEEE floating point for you :) < 1630566882 394888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(without the :: Double it uses Integer) < 1630567702 744542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let x = 1; y = 2^^(-53); z = y in (x+y)+z == x+(y+z) < 1630567704 424984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : False < 1630567746 14697 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let x = 2; y = 1; z = 1/3 in (x+y)+z == x+(y+z) < 1630567747 867196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : False < 1630567779 36023 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let x = 1; y = 1; z = 1/3 in (x+y)+z == x+(y+z) < 1630567780 397348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : False < 1630567806 595491 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let x = 1; y = 1; z = 1/3 in (x+y)+z == x+(y+z :: Float) < 1630567808 390784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : False < 1630567944 565109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, we learned that associativity is a lie. ;-) < 1630567961 388710 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think we learned that floating-point values are lies. < 1630567962 240732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :A crude approximation of the real world (tm) < 1630568006 382165 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fuzz testing is a useful tool when you need to check the correctness of a kitten. < 1630568122 968553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: what does a smiley have to look like in order to be taken seriuosly? apparently ;-) isn't enough < 1630568123 199922 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: a module or anything like that) was discussed in this records thread on cll about it < 1630568170 438318 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, I don't think there's any doubt that you know what associativity is, and how Float works. < 1630568666 661456 :Koen_!~Koen@246.244.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1630568836 117393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, do I know that though... addition and multiplication, yes. Division, not so much. I mean I've seen long division and that cute Newton iteration x |-> x(2-ax) for 1/a, and that's about it. Inverse square root... again not so much. Transcendental functions... there's cordic but I'm not convinced it's actually used. No clue what other things there are. < 1630569053 634087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> iterate (\x -> x*(2-5*x)) 0.3 < 1630569055 117586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [0.3,0.15,0.1875,0.19921875,0.1999969482421875,0.19999999995343387,0.2,0.2,0... < 1630569252 554207 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1630569286 265913 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I hope you can know how a type works without knowing all the algorithms on that type. < 1630569326 798981 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The real test is what you call the bits of the float that aren't the sign bit or the exponent. < 1630569327 669368 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, I can enjoy a sausage without knowing how it's made. < 1630569404 633412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :As with many things, there's many levels of understanding here. < 1630569581 251191 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should know how these things are computed. < 1630569594 438316 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Man, I don't even know how integer multiplication works, really. < 1630569605 925075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I realized I couldn't expand "ulp". < 1630569630 569898 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I have an OK understanding of carry-lookahead adders now. I could at least think about it and come up with a reasonable one. < 1630569714 761633 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1630569866 385694 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I read a short post that instantly answered all my questions about carry-lookahead adders and so on. It was great. < 1630569896 625561 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1630570071 615993 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1630570093 905281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm happy with my fancy monoid < 1630570175 814771 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which one is that, the propagate-generate monoid? < 1630570470 993545 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it starts with the silly number-appending monoid, (d1,l1) <> (d2,l2) = (d1*b^l2,l1+l2), then integrates addition and carries into it and that'll give you something that computes 2 results (which boil down to either clearing the carry, propagating the carry, or setting a carry, if you focus on the carries alone) < 1630570529 705970 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(two results: one with incoming carry, and one without) < 1630570567 144423 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's really overcomplicated, but it makes sense to me, and as far as me understanding something goes... that's all that matters :P < 1630570667 683829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose "generate" corresponds to two possible cases. < 1630570861 614399 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :"clearing the carry" never happens, I guess. < 1630570916 206380 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :0+0+c never generates a carry < 1630570929 89000 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, uh, right. < 1630570978 137369 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing that never happens is complement. < 1630570987 561765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, it's monotonic < 1630571068 329001 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But nowadays I'm all about consensus things. < 1630572085 662575 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( int-e's consensus algorithm: agree to disagree. ) < 1630572243 893267 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1630572303 577564 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: just use a 3-D befunge, lay out your code in 2 dimensions (since that already allows arbitrary control flow), and have comments go next to the instructions in the third dimension's direction < 1630572421 575165 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :trefunge it's called < 1630572487 887144 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I often use this style of comment: "code; // short comment" < 1630572491 686241 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course you might want a 3D code editor for that that can view your code in any of the 48 rotated orientations, including rotating the directional instructions appropriately < 1630572501 761923 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But then if the comment is longer, I move it to its own line before the code, which feels oddly discontinuous. < 1630572504 851376 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :What can I do about that? < 1630572593 982106 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: use a 21:9 monitor? ;-) < 1630572613 960270 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(does anyone else miss the 4:3 ones...) < 1630572648 456944 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: not particularly, but I'd prefer to have 16:10 ones more available < 1630572746 682795 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they let me put four 30 row terminals in a 2x2 arrangement, or two 35 and two 25 row terminals etc < 1630572823 576118 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(actually only a 30 and a 29 row one, because I reserve one row for a thin taskbar at the bottom plus the border between the two terminals, and even so I have one pixel of overlap < 1630572825 927314 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :) < 1630572945 26088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooph, there's at least one 32:9 monitor on the market. < 1630572961 960047 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: with or without touchscreen? < 1630573051 79701 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :without, I think. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L9HCJ2V/ > 1630573092 151692 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87909&oldid=87908 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+87) 10 > 1630573136 356165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87910&oldid=87909 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+11) 10 < 1630573168 53575 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't get the whole touch screen monitor thing either, not for PCs nor home entertainment. < 1630573297 303310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : Sure, I can enjoy a sausage without knowing how it's made. <-- i think it's generally acknowledged that it's even easier that way hth < 1630573337 905070 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I thought it was better without spelling that part out < 1630573408 261342 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: sure, without touchscreen it's better, it's just that the extreme ratio made me question that. > 1630573535 168631 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87911&oldid=87910 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+4) 10 < 1630573740 442475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :my joke detection ability is going, i can feel it < 1630573837 192570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Different topic, does the Geisterdamen language have a name? < 1630573898 531599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm not that i remember < 1630573940 978497 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :ghost damn < 1630573947 74824 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay < 1630573981 530294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: ghost dames is a more direct translation < 1630574014 483378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait < 1630574016 190555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ladies < 1630574038 760463 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: It's "ladies". (Oh and "dame" actually exists in english, as a counterpart to "knight" in the UK) < 1630574041 85384 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, that sounds closer < 1630574066 313891 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION was looking up "damen"
< 1630574068 526336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, took too long cross-checking things. < 1630574121 75615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although "ghost dames" is a _cognate_ translation, i presume. < 1630574122 477411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I knew that "dame" is one of those honorary titles in the UK, but I didn't know what exactly it corresponds to) < 1630574173 374780 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ghost damsels <- let's make it worse, shall we < 1630574184 395734 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :ghost dammit < 1630574186 532927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :itym distressful < 1630574222 707119 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm. They *are* distressed a lot of times, aren't they. < 1630574242 367190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the tight corsets, i think < 1630574317 675674 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...which ones... < 1630574406 20799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :the ones they have to wear to be properly dressed < 1630574425 117821 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :could you do something with geist as spirit? < 1630574480 242897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: aren't they usually naked in the lower torso area, which is what corsets tend to be made to shape? < 1630574489 166482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: perhaps, although these ladies happen to be grey in color < 1630574510 49262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: oh. i had somehow forgotten which damsels we were speaking about. < 1630574516 681739 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: there's also "geist" as "intellect" < 1630574519 642591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a compartmented way < 1630574539 826304 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I see < 1630574569 230897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, corsets have been blamed for all the fainting in romance novels. < 1630574585 107973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :By all accounts they're truly breath-taking. < 1630576084 624853 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was someone with a 32:9 monitor on the XMonad channel asking for advice on how to make it behave like two 16:9 monitors, which makes sense. < 1630576900 607143 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1630577949 865956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( did anyone recommend a saw ) < 1630578061 109771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey they should support this on the monitor side. give the thing two inputs < 1630578135 815178 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: the description that you linked to https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L9HCJ2V/ explicitly says that they support two inputs < 1630578146 332222 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Super ultra-wide 49 inch monitor provides the enhanced productivity thru split screen functions like Picture-by-Picture (PBP), letting you connect to two devices while maintaining their original quality " < 1630578197 13387 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: oh, do they? sounds interesting (I didn't read) < 1630578741 276368 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I've heard ultrawides do that. Hmm, I wonder if any support acting as two inputs over a single cable with DisplayPort MST. Because if the motivation is "two devices", that's not exactly needed. < 1630578816 339998 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Incidentally, XRandR 1.5 introduced a "monitor" concept that decouples "rectangular regions shown to the user" from "outputs of a GPU", so the client can now define those arbitrarily even if it's "physically" just one output. < 1630578869 771300 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :would be cool if those monitors could take inputs from two machines < 1630578901 605457 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I could see macos and windows at the same time < 1630578905 195190 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They can, that's what wob_jonas was describing. < 1630578996 88501 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: did XRandR have to do that to support DRM that sends TV series as encrypted video to the monitor? < 1630579026 314512 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1630579085 425094 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I used my home monitor with inputs from two separate computer, but not displayed at the same time, but switching with a button on the front of the monitor < 1630579225 690577 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what the XRandR monitor motivation was. I think there's been a few monitors where it's "necessary" to merge two physical outputs to a single monitor, for link bandwidth reasons, before things like HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4 added higher-bandwidth modes, it could have been that. < 1630579240 91195 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do the input-swapping regularly now that WFH is a thing. < 1630579272 563173 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: hmm. I thought DVI already solved the bandwidth problem by having a more expensive variant with more pins in the cable < 1630579309 643262 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :people have come up with higher resolutions < 1630579314 106540 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you're referring to single-link vs. dual-link, yes, but then people just kept on increasing both the resolution and the refresh rate. < 1630579324 179024 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :People want 144 Hz now. < 1630579327 767272 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that's what made me do it, yes. < 1630579339 414553 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because it's apparently necessary for gaming. < 1630579366 73928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I believe that actually < 1630579392 218795 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I believe it depends on the game. ;) < 1630579417 25384 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shooter stuff... you have up to about two frames of latency (start drawing frame, wait for vsync, wait for it to actually be displayed) < 1630579442 434159 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :assuming the GPU can keep up < 1630579449 481017 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/pg9x4b/fake_3d_billboards/ < 1630579450 290567 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :AIUI, 60, 120, 144 and 240 are the "standard" framerates now. Also, there's those "dynamic framerate" standards. < 1630579544 822490 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Regarding swapping inputs, quite handily both of my monitors have four buttons, two of which can be programmed to do a specific action. So I've got them set up so that button 1 on both selects the personal desktop input, and button 2 on both selects the work laptop input. < 1630579545 595242 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also the less significant effect that 120Hz is a nice fit for 24fps movies < 1630579554 473036 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :much better than 60Hz < 1630579571 113815 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :high fps in shooters isn't this much about latency than about the smoothness < 1630579605 640265 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is no profit from seeing something 5 msec faster if your ping is 50 and human reaction limit around 150 < 1630579607 315776 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: true, < 1630579648 215626 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but high fps helps your brain to understand what's going on and where things are moving and with which speed < 1630579662 279772 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead of being a high framerate slideshow < 1630579701 431113 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that's nice. on my monitor (which I'm going to replace soon), it's press the second button from the right to go from home to work computer, three times to go from work computer to home computer. (it cycles through the four inputs, in the order composite, VGA, DVI, HDMI) < 1630579785 598371 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas and it takes monitor 2 seconds of black screen to finally switch, I hate it < 1630579802 416618 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually, there's a slightly curious effect from the work laptop using USB-C DP Alt Mode MST to drive both monitors over a single cable: when the directly connected monitor is switched to some other input, the indirectly connected monitor is not visible to it. So if I want to have both the work and home computers visible simultaneously (not common), I can only do that one way around. < 1630579897 377904 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the hard part is switching the keyboard actually, not the monitor < 1630580107 202093 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, and when I switch from work mode to home mode, if I want to optimize it for speed, I must always switch the "second" monitor first. If I do the "first" monitor first, the second one loses signal and immediately goes to a special no-signal mode, and then those quick-access buttons don't work, but instead all buttons bring up the input selector menu, meaning the switch takes three button < 1630580109 331832 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :presses (bring up menu, press up/down, press select). < 1630581101 220862 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :rasel translator translates the helloworld in 80msec and then runs it in 100msec < 1630581117 699913 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :rasel interpreter interprets in 400msec < 1630581977 839575 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, noticed it again, on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck it says "Short program printing Hello, World! by primo" and states that its start is shifted by 4 positions < 1630582010 30650 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then it says "Currently, the shortest known program printing Hello, World! is written by KSab" but does not say that it needs shifted start too < 1630582024 888532 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :both translator and interpreter throw the error < 1630582142 766361 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^bf --<-<<+[+[<+>--->->->-<<<]>]<<--.<++++++.<<-..<<.<+.>>.>>.<<<.+++.>>.>>-.<<<+. < 1630582143 24248 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello, World! < 1630582145 910265 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^bf +[-->-[>>+>-----<<]<--<---]>-.>>>+.>>..+++[.>]<<<<.+++.------.<<-.>>>>+. < 1630582145 959156 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello, World! < 1630582152 725533 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :his codegolf stackexchnage post also doesn't mention it < 1630582193 110676 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(FTR, fungot's tape is a loop.) < 1630582193 195047 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: i mean, < 1630582213 188926 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: ...you mean what? < 1630582213 364839 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: and i don't care about the result. < 1630582221 834935 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Such a grumpy bot. < 1630582486 941206 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :typical. measuring speed without caring about whether the code they're timing actualy does the correct result. < 1630582960 620378 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1630586457 310092 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1630587348 606943 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1630588286 672082 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan re `@check \x y z -> x + (y + z) == (x + y) + (z :: Double)`, I suggest 0.6+0.3!=0.9 as the staple example because that's true for both 32-bit and 64-bit floats, but we should probably search for an example that's false in even more common floating point types < 1630588325 957248 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one that doesn't just use loss of precision by adding two numbers of opposite sign or similar tricks < 1630588542 357304 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1630588578 622391 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1630588775 260247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: ok, although the main purpose of my command was to demonstrate @check, and only secondarily to demonstrate floats. < 1630588877 5964 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, but this is a question that I'll have to look for a good answer for anyway < 1630588878 619529 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1630591339 308362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1630591531 295804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1630591588 626400 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently 1 + 2/3 != 5/3 is another example that works with float32 or float64 < 1630592144 381700 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1630593141 345022 :src_!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1630593274 372742 :src!~src@user/src QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1630593406 317495 :src_!~src@user/src QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1630593659 540607 :integral!sid296274@user/integral QUIT : < 1630593677 495727 :integral!sid296274@user/integral JOIN #esolangs integral :bsmith < 1630593696 69135 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1630594212 966678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Grue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87912&oldid=87905 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+42) 10/* Syntax */ < 1630594682 464400 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1630595728 198693 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1630596864 616257 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1630596894 636805 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1630598307 606069 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1630599717 345702 :dnm!sid401311@tooting.irccloud.com QUIT : < 1630599732 369645 :dnm!sid401311@id-401311.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs dnm :dnm < 1630599741 403893 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:792d:29ae:a5b3:8fc3 JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1630600299 860157 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1630600311 642514 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1630600993 320834 :monoxane!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1630601487 581581 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1630605093 619115 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1630605922 515812 :Koen_!~Koen@246.244.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1630606269 869848 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, spam email with "Subject: esolangs". That's not too common. < 1630606306 43175 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently it's meant for "the CEO", however. < 1630606315 36131 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: did you receive it at an email address at the domain esolangs.org ? < 1630606326 859994 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep. But there's not too much of those. < 1630606333 859475 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It was sent to webmaster@ on that domain. < 1630606372 134023 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I've sent emails that start with "Dear $websitename," < 1630606504 462182 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Allegedly an "Hongwei Ltd" is attempting to register "esolangs" as their .cn domain name and "internet keyword", but the diligent research of the guy who sent the email (a Service & Operations Manager at "China Registry (Head Office)") has revealed our "company name or trademark" is in conflict, and they want to confirm whether that's our business partner in China. < 1630606516 579239 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I got an identical one few months back as well. < 1630606585 227448 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The most prominent "Hongwei Ltd" would appear to be Hongwei Technologies Limited, which "manufactures and sells polyester differential fibers primarily to the yarn and textile manufacturers located in the southern People's Republic of China". But perhaps they're branching to the lucrative esoteric programming language business. < 1630606727 813775 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: oh, and among the most common types of spam I receive to my main email address are the ones that try to claim that the mail server has stopped receiving (or will stop receiving) email to my mailbox and I have to confirm my personal data and/or password to make sure I receive further emails, and those emails often mention the domain name of the email address in the subject. plus of course I get < 1630606733 816097 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :spam about "Google lottery" to my gmail.com address, but that latter probably only counts for half credit. < 1630606807 638246 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I sometimes report the "Google lottery" ones through some internal channels, just for the sake of form. I get them on my non-Gmail address though. < 1630606824 130755 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not very recently, I think. < 1630606939 211335 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the most common broad category of spam I get are (at least superficially) suppliers of various kinds of things for manufacturing. Like, just looking at the last few subject lines, there's "Re: Mould supplier", "Re: Both Liquid Crystal and Vacuum glass Technology", "Re: Leather products Supplies good quotation", "Re: Cooper wire mesh" and "Re: Stainless steel sintered explosion-proof net". < 1630606962 523297 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :("Cooper" was my own typo, it was in fact "Copper" in the email.) < 1630607073 220560 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I think the only ones I've reported are (1) spam in the name of Paypal, (2) bots in twitch chat that try to sell twitch subs, and (3) the paper spam that threatens to cut some utility (electricity maybe) if you don't pay some money with the deadline being the day it was taped to the entrance < 1630607077 314629 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And "hair bundles", whatever that is. < 1630607126 576138 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: "esolang" isn't such a bad brand name for a new synthetic textile material though < 1630607141 616436 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it sort of sounds chemical and synthetic, so I think it might work < 1630607272 872406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, "mould supplier"? but isn't "mould" an alternate spelling for the other meaning of "mold", the that you don't want to supply as a product because it's a generally harmful fungus, as opposed to a shaped template for materials that you shape by melting? < 1630607319 523985 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well, not necessarily melting, it can also harden chemically a bit of time after you mix it from its components, that's how you shape silicones because they don't melt) < 1630607503 983385 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you're supposed to use the hair bundlesare for hair lengthening in your Real Fast Hair Salon I think < 1630607618 902295 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently "mould" *can* be used for the other meaning of mold as well, as in the thing used for casting. < 1630607708 644872 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :can it? let me check my Oxford < 1630607775 25527 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes it can < 1630607787 975747 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's even the first meaning of "mould" in the order the Oxford gives them < 1630607807 720458 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the second is the fungi, the third (and last) is "soft loose earth" < 1630607915 310800 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :did someone say fungi < 1630607937 175469 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1630607947 838535 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :befungi < 1630607979 102393 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Have I ranted about my electricity supplier yet? I feel like ranting about my electricity supplier. < 1630607994 58614 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They have a "smart" meter they can read remotely, and it came supplied with an IHD (in-home display) with CAD (consumer access device) facilities, meaning it can do wifi and talk MQTT to a broker for pseudo-real-time electricity usage data. Which is all well and good. < 1630608015 838198 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But, the endpoint it deigns to talk MQTT to is hardcoded in the device, and requires a (valid, signed-by-a-trusted-CA) TLS server certificate, so the only way to actually make *use* of that feature is to register for the Samsung SmartThings cloud service, which it will then upload usage data to, from which you're then supposed to consume it with an app. < 1630608109 323408 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :blah < 1630608170 261984 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I read from somewhere that the regulations say the supplier must help the customer in pairing any device into the HAN (the Zigbee thing the actual meter uses to talk to the IHD) as long as it's a certified device, but from some forum conversations (a) they don't actually do that, and anyway (b) nobody seems to be making reasonably "open" yet certified devices. And anyway, I *have* a < 1630608172 330398 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :device, which even knows how to export the data. It just doesn't want to export it to its nominal owner. < 1630608208 49628 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Another thing I read is that I technically own the IHD, it's not one of those cases where I'm just renting it.) < 1630608550 535643 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1630609269 318284 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: a lot of us have the power meters outside the home, so much more people can gain physical access to it than me or the owners. anyone in the house, and anyone who can get in the house door, which is much less well guarded than the apartment doors. as of now, people can read the total consumption from an LCD on it only when they are physically present (or if they leave a hidden camera somewhere in < 1630609275 325379 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the cupboard I guess). that's much less of a security risk. if this was a smart device and anyone who physically walks up to it could download data to it, that would be much worse. < 1630609317 732652 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit < 1630609341 674769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: and yes, that means people can turn off electricity in my apartment by flipping a switch if they walk up there, but that's a feature for safety in case of fire or gas leaks. otherwise they'd have to cut a wire or something. < 1630609396 53101 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the actual downside is that people who walk there can vandalize the tamper seal, but then people can vandalize a lot of things everywhere and in general it's hard to protect from that < 1630609448 415759 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I wonder how you'd imagine that only the owner can pair their device to the power meter and download the data < 1630609963 126154 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You need (cryptographic) keys from the supplier to pair a device with the meter, or something along those lines. < 1630610039 90381 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The meter is in fact not inside the flat here, it's out there in a cupboard in the corridor. Anyone living in the building can go and borrow the key, if for example they need to read it. < 1630610055 13974 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, the physical key to the cupboard. < 1630610094 573929 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which has the meters for everyone on this floor, and I think it's the same key for at least a group of floors, based on how it's marked. < 1630610104 51314 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: also isn't it like, the meter already must communicate with the provider, that's why they're installing it; and the provider must already communicate with you because they're sending you bills; so why set up a third connection when these two must already work and they can just forward you the data at not much extra cost < 1630610140 582025 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They download the data at a much lower resolution than what the meter can provide to the IHD. < 1630610177 295398 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I've seen such physical keys. the locks often go wrong, or just nobody bothers to lock the cupboard, plus they're the numbered kind of key that anyone can buy if they just know a small integer, or buy the whole set and try each of them, or open the cupboard without the key. for this apartment, I haven't ever seen this cupboard locked. < 1630610183 861295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: do you like augmenting paths? < 1630610184 144098 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: don't you mean the spec bloats the grammar, whereas the normal windows mzscheme uses normal windows libraries. what it seems like < 1630610225 158580 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do in fact collect daily usage data from the supplier, by crawling it from their entirely undocumented GraphQL endpoint that their fancy client-side web app uses to render a chart. < 1630610234 57818 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1630610271 360414 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you also have a cheap camera and led light in front of the display, light it up once an hour, take a photo, and read the number automatically? < 1630610291 57998 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have thought about doing that, yes. < 1630610327 212053 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1630610360 978510 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you also thought of just installing your own meter, one per every inner circuit breaker, inside the house, but found that they're horribly expensive because they're priced for industrial applications < 1630610410 906308 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not that I'd really *need* the high-resolution data, I'm mostly just curious about the bottom-line power usage of some devices and I feel like it'd be a fun way to measure that, to just collect samples of the "instant" energy use (which has a resolution in the order of some seconds) with and without the device plugged in / turned on, and then do some statistics. < 1630610463 339989 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1630610486 243039 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :except of course that's hard because some of your other devices, especially the fridge, can just start consuming more or less power at any time < 1630610525 485259 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, that's the "statistics" part, I think if I did collect enough samples it should be possible to cluster the numbers and see how the "baseline" power usage changes. < 1630610543 256305 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1630610551 582832 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the computers can also vary their power usage a lot < 1630610778 337625 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Incidentally, I have the IHD unit plugged to a computer, because it's powered via USB, and there was already a computer next to it anyway, so plugging the USB cable to one of the computer's otherwise unused USB ports avoids having one less AC/DC adapter. < 1630610839 413545 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Someone had opened one up and said the data lines of the USB port are not connected to anything, but that there's some places on the PCB that *could* be populated, so potentially it could act as a USB device during development or something. < 1630610907 429876 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, "avoids having one less" is probably not right. < 1630610941 706059 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I meant either "avoids needing one more" or "allows having one less", but mixed them up wrong. < 1630611142 725678 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"avoids having one less AC/DC adapter." => yeah, but some computers are willing to supply only much less power on their USB ports than designated fast mobile phone chargers. < 1630611191 919510 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :re "meant either", or "avoids having one less AC/DC adapter remaining" < 1630611208 205887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::-) < 1630615010 631063 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1630615608 610799 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :speaking about chinese and esoteric, just found this page https://github.com/yunwan1x/awesome-cn/blob/ee7b919f7c7ff1559a70de35f0582a199dd526b5/docs/awesome/awesome-esolangs.md#L56 < 1630615715 470442 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though it feels like this guy translates all kinds of the "awesome lists" to chinese to then serve on a website < 1630615721 530483 :Everything!~Everythin@128-124-169-247.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs * :Everything < 1630615810 275254 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: that would be a useful service < 1630615813 260745 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, direct replica of https://github.com/angrykoala/awesome-esolangs < 1630615851 450728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially if they attribute the original somewhere < 1630615860 787011 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see the original < 1630615868 19928 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the attribution < 1630615902 666223 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1630615930 572128 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1630615967 380998 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially funny to see "Logo used with permission of David Morgan-Mar" < 1630615976 250015 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :translated < 1630616047 347466 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: it does say '

' which points to the original source < 1630616064 447798 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1630616075 976398 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds like some github feature\ < 1630616082 163339 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it has github in its name < 1630616112 189048 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :where do you this div? < 1630616116 385918 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :&do you see < 1630616132 125692 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the raw content of the file https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yunwan1x/awesome-cn/ee7b919f7c7ff1559a70de35f0582a199dd526b5/docs/awesome/awesome-esolangs.md < 1630616146 741307 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's the raw of https://github.com/yunwan1x/awesome-cn/blob/ee7b919f7c7ff1559a70de35f0582a199dd526b5/docs/awesome/awesome-esolangs.md#L56 < 1630616218 194346 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but with all the client-time scripting that goes on here, I'm not sure if that results in some link or something in the rendered interface < 1630616304 870915 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs immibis :realname < 1630616320 981307 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's left in the source code by a mistake or a note for the future content update, but it does not render < 1630616381 938626 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, no, it actually renders here https://asmcn.icopy.site/awesome/awesome-esolangs/ < 1630616417 164311 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :where in that? < 1630616479 155287 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/F5nlROo.png < 1630616528 880844 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I see, thanks < 1630616537 644263 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :great < 1630616545 863067 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I approve of this translation thing < 1630616565 316568 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :gotta check what other embedding formats github provides -- might be useful < 1630616941 379178 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :got no response from shinh about rasel ( < 1630617694 398894 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1630618517 893813 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1630618542 888109 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, the libretto of Zauberflöte has a lot of different translations to hungarian, and they all render Sarastro's aria "O Isis und Osiris" quite differently < 1630618609 346203 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for search purposes: the libretto was written by Emanuel Shikaneder) < 1630618804 198180 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the one I've hear dthe most is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbJPqMwMIbc “Ó, Isis és Osiris, járjon bölcs szellemed e pár előtt! Hogy a veszéllyel szembeszálljon, adjatok nékik rá erőt! Sikerrel járjon majd a próba – ám ha az út halálos volna, bátrak jutalma nékik jár, fogadd be őket, égi pár!” < 1630618929 291291 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris,_Isis,_itt_e_p%C3%A1rnak says “Osiris, Isis, itt e párnak ó égi lelket adjatok! Ti álltok őrt a vándor útján, melletük is ti álljatok! Amerre vándorútjuk elmegy, nyíljanak égi rózsakelyhek, s ha életük útja véget ér, fonjatok nékik szent babért!” < 1630619022 283074 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://mek.oszk.hu/14500/14584/14584.htm says the same < 1630619056 881024 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there's even a translation that doesn't even mention Isis and Osiris < 1630619124 51395 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and no, it's not a socialist system censure either that doesn't mention any religion < 1630619135 28198 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it just says something like "o gods in heaven" or something < 1630619209 527758 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUZ0tfG7tNo has Székely Mihály singing that second translation by the way < 1630619361 168487 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe that third one is just confusion, translating a different part of the lyrics? I'm trying to find out < 1630619435 255176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe these are the only two translations? < 1630619473 79292 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the second one seems to have been translated by Harsányi Zsolt a long time ago < 1630619546 247796 :orichalcumcosmon!~orichalcu@159.196.0.223 JOIN #esolangs orichalcumcosmon :Quinn Johnson < 1630619686 849503 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qE88dtLHPQ is Kovács Kolos singing the first translation (“Ó, Isis és Osiris, járjon bölcs szellemed”), which is thus probably actually historically a later translation then the second one < 1630619701 152303 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/Kovács Kolos/Kováts Kolos/ < 1630620062 33248 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that seems more reasonable than what it seemed at first. just two translations, an old one and a modern one < 1630620089 21348 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a typical pattern for works this famous. what do you think, fungot? < 1630620089 311185 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: what a strange way :p). can i just use texinfo. does anyone here have a link please? :) < 1630620148 348283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: yes, the link is https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21383 < 1630620148 607566 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: if it doesn't, since i am dealing with squares anyways, it would be a < 1630620647 437752 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1630620699 346428 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1630620727 309747 :Koen_!~Koen@246.244.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1630621208 522688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mandelbrot set14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87913&oldid=68888 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+97) 10/* External links */ In Brainfuck written by Erik Bosman. < 1630622102 815006 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :remember I converted fungot code to png via direct translating to netpbm? I think it might be used as a weird version of QR codes < 1630622102 920947 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: strictly business. open source too. < 1630622185 802539 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but while QR codes are recovering via error correction to read the photo of text rendered in such way you have to adjust color curves < 1630622238 711133 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can adjust curves automatically until text starts having enough many statistically valid n-grams of the known context < 1630622400 165932 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style < 1630622400 213496 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1630622809 891586 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the idea is that while barcode readers are used to black and white images in the era of smartphones with full color cameras it's a waste of data < 1630622890 929326 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, it may be post-compressed with some universal compression algorithms but why? if you could just use the full color range < 1630622987 880559 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :each such pixel is depicted with thousands of pixels on the photo that might be convertable to a 2 bytes deep color channel < 1630623000 74769 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or even deeper < 1630623034 429417 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so instead of 0, 1 and error correction sums you can adjust some "floats" < 1630623120 21771 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :omg, thinking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code#JAB_code < 1630623151 113580 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actual light sensors don't have to be used exactly on human visible spectre < 1630623189 629425 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole world can be marked in some not visible color range < 1630623248 591683 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn https://www.cognex.com/blogs/industrial-barcode-reader/invisible-barcodes-help-prevent-counterfeit-products < 1630623500 832196 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :a form of steganography < 1630623981 648405 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine fungot sending important messages here every day we just don't know how to decypher < 1630623982 22034 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i'm also applying to be haskell apprentice from xerox parc, and vanished. kranz went to curl, rak philbin went on to become a famous phrase. < 1630624696 543316 :Koen_!~Koen@246.244.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1630625125 299591 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also while or worse cameras you had to adjust each channel curve separately today's camera are enough good to only adjust the lightness < 1630626318 923064 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok these guys implemented something like what I said about full color range encoding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_barcode - https://github.com/piql/boxing < 1630626362 559440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why don't I invent things before others do it... < 1630626423 123801 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcode < 1630626538 156456 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because of the Bob Profit principle, is someone who think of something probably someone else has already done, too