< 1631150796 384978 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bah. I think there's no way to tell the certbot-dns-rfc2136 plugin that it should attempt to do an RFC 2136 update to some *other* domain name, under the assumption it's been CNAME'd to a different domain. :/ I could probably script it on top of a manual auth hook and nsupdate, but :effort:
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< 1631153655 441597 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I don't use an OS X so I can't really help in that" -- I just inform that that command isn't compatible
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< 1631166632 635246 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki Linux
< 1631166633 476551 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :(alt: 'Linux kernel') Family of Unix-like operating systems
< 1631166639 447046 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki Linux kernel
< 1631166640 386204 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :Free and open-source Unix-like operating system kernel
< 1631166713 793531 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki VPCLMULQDQ
< 1631166714 712137 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :AVX-512 are 512-bit extensions to the 256-bit Advanced Vector Extensions SIMD instructions for x86 instruction set architecture (ISA) proposed by Intel in July 2013, and implemented in Intel's Xeon Phi x200 (Knights Landing) and Skylake-X CPUs; this includes the Core-X series (excluding the Core i5-7640X and Core i7-7740X), as well as the new Xeon Scalable Processor Family and Xeon D-2100 Embedded Series.[LF]
< 1631166731 415526 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki lasjdkjhasdjasbd
< 1631166731 923003 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing was found
< 1631166751 620015 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I'll append the ' ' to output
< 1631166753 943074 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*prepend
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> 1631168964 554661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velik14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87940&oldid=87683 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+472) 10added examples of \wiki command
< 1631169136 191573 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki befunge
< 1631169137 351296 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Chris Pressey[LF]
< 1631169141 62425 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1631169149 268264 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :badly formatted one I guess
< 1631169819 75195 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki befunge
< 1631169820 231518 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Befunge is a two-dimensional stack-based, reflective, esoteric programming language. It differs from conventional languages in that programs are arranged on a two-dimensional grid. "Arrow" instructions direct the control flow to the left, right, up or down, and loops are constructed by sending the control flow in a cycle. It has been described as "a cross between Forth and Lemmings".[LF]
< 1631169859 881302 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fixed the page, "programming language" Infobox was broken
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> 1631184299 762984 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HeLiiLii14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87941 5* 03Magnogen 5* (+2431) 10Created page with "==About HeLiiLii== [['''HeLiiLii''']] (pronounced heh-lee-lee) is an [[esoteric programming language]] designed by [[User:Magnogen]] in 2021, although the idea behind it was..."
> 1631186458 71420 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HeLiiLii14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87942&oldid=87941 5* 03Magnogen 5* (+1438) 10
> 1631186868 672567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HeLiiLii14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87943&oldid=87942 5* 03Magnogen 5* (+25) 10full name pog
> 1631187012 718921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HeLiiLii14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87944&oldid=87943 5* 03Magnogen 5* (+14) 10heliilii
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< 1631191440 756390 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :found that Wikidata has better summaries; code even became shorter
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< 1631191706 207488 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki VPCLMULQDQ
< 1631191707 451902 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : AVX-512 -- Instruction set extension developed by Intel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVX-512
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< 1631191886 561023 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki befunge
< 1631191887 848471 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Befunge -- esoteric, 2-dimensional programming language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befunge
< 1631191901 84239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i seem to have read that wikipedia used the wikidata summaries at one point but then changed their policy not to
< 1631192843 433975 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :unfortunately such articles like befunge and avx don't have {short description} so those large outputs were the results of the whole first paragraph text parsing; switching to wikidata avoids these spontaneous big replies; I hope wikidata has summary for everything, we'll see
< 1631192885 410699 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if not, I'll reattach the first paragraph parsing as a fallback
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< 1631193960 332469 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I can adapt that parsing to a... \esowiki
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> 1631194772 499057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velik14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87945&oldid=87940 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+434) 10added \esowiki
< 1631194831 820368 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas I just spotted you wrote "commands starting with a backspace..." https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Velik&diff=prev&oldid=85671
< 1631194837 344691 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1631194847 767222 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\esowiki befunge
< 1631194848 948855 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Befunge is a two-dimensional esoteric programming language invented in 1993 by Chris Pressey with the goal of being as difficult to compile as possible. Code is laid out on a two-dimensional grid of instructions, and execution can proceed in any direction of that grid. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge
< 1631195000 450050 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose weird "Note" at the top of [wiki brainfuck] isn't a usual wikimedia Template that the parsing gem is used to, so it thinks it's the actual first paragraph (
< 1631195003 612213 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck/w/index.php%3Ftitle=Talk:Brainfuck/index.php
< 1631195028 290130 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah, this url is weird
< 1631195138 83047 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is weird: 1. https://i.imgur.com/zLkVuWF.png 2. https://i.imgur.com/X0poLvz.png
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> 1631195754 420950 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Nakilon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87946&oldid=83634 5* 03Nakilon 5* (-25) 10can't be found on freenode
> 1631195993 727874 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSInstruction14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87947 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+3102) 10Created page with "JSInstruction is an esoteric programming language written by [User:Dominicentek]. The language has only one built in instruction and you can add more by including JavaScript c..."
> 1631196070 607501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSInstruction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87948&oldid=87947 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-5) 10
> 1631196144 650280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSInstruction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87949&oldid=87948 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+42) 10
> 1631196162 38767 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSInstruction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87950&oldid=87949 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+4) 10
> 1631196192 617946 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87951&oldid=87865 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+20) 10/* J */
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< 1631196225 867488 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :TBH I think unqualified "wiki" on this channel should mean our own one, not WikiPedia.
> 1631196259 831883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSInstruction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87953&oldid=87952 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-1) 10
< 1631196309 465309 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair point
< 1631196322 908942 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would be the command for wikipedia then? \wikipedia? \wp?
< 1631196447 516051 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :why don't you use [[...]] for inline links instead of [wiki ...]? i guess you can then make your bot ignore the esolangs bot
< 1631196475 75967 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: "wp"'s pretty unambigious imo, so both'd work
< 1631196571 249998 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use "wp" as my personal search keyword, but that's just me.
< 1631196664 645470 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :or even just 'w' which i think is how other wikimedia sites link to wikipedia (also ddg uses the !w bang for searching wikipedia)
< 1631196686 539953 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is ddg
< 1631196696 266256 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And yeah, "Brainfuck/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brainfuck/index.php" is a different language than "Brainfuck", but it's unfortunate if that comes up as the best match there.
< 1631196700 101470 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :duckduckgo.com/
> 1631196731 300410 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87954&oldid=87179 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+39) 10
> 1631196742 726943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87955&oldid=87954 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+4) 10
< 1631196762 94377 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I didn't even realise that's a language
< 1631196967 430659 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like it's in the same category of silly names as "Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download" and "Esolang talk:Klat gnalosE".
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< 1631197345 208095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I have a matrix multiplication A*B, I know I can interpret that as A transforming B. Is there any way to interpret it as B taking some action of rotation + translation on A? Maybe in a different order? (If it's a translate-rotate matrix)
< 1631197455 693422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: transposition reverses multiplication
< 1631197472 922245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :But then the resulting matrix is transposed
< 1631197540 415804 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then transpose again. Another way to put this is that the category of matrices is self-dual.
< 1631197580 635915 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(That's the category whose objects are the natural numbers and arrows are matrices; composition is matrix multiplication, and the opposite category just transposes everything.)
< 1631197711 821400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can think of applying (A*B)^t to a vector as applying the _transpose_ of that vector on the left of A*B
< 1631197734 206739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(a vector being seen as an n by 1 matrix)
< 1631197789 258968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is, ((A*B)^t*v) = (v^t*A*B)^t
< 1631197878 669862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :glh::matrix4f newCameraMatrix = slCameraMatrix * m_mat4HMDPose * eyeLocation;
< 1631197911 714526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are there translations/rotations that could be done to slCameraMatrix that would be equivalent to that? (knowing m_mat4HMDPose and eyeLocation are translation/rotation matrices)
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> 1631197959 483720 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Meow14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87956 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+1603) 10Created page with "[[Meow]] is a joke esolang created by [[User:Martsadas]] that has 2 registers that can store integers
=== Instructions: === {| class="wikitable" ! Instruction !! What..."
> 1631197980 573243 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Martsadas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87957&oldid=87787 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+11) 10Meow
< 1631198147 354145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: if all the matrices are invertible, A*B=C*A implies C=A*B*A^-1. that is going to depend on A.
< 1631198174 509158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :if not all of the matrices are invertible, there might not be solution, or it might not be unique.
< 1631198181 111522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*a solution
< 1631198296 704772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/all the matrices/A and B/, you get C for free.
< 1631198324 577421 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The notes at https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL-Refpages/gl2.1/xhtml/gluLookAt.xml might be helpful in this particular case, too.
< 1631198334 865742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. A*B*C = D*E*A
< 1631198335 170449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs : would let some of the operations occur in a different order
< 1631198430 765421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: that's not really going to help because what i said about C before now applies to M=D*E
< 1631198809 79593 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Evil+Numbers some familiar names
< 1631198976 812847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah we played around with that here back in ... 2015, according to the date beside my name
< 1631199028 976880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i see henkma is no longer the unbeaten haskell champion
< 1631199087 791930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well seems lynn is now. she used to be a regular here.
< 1631199200 869004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or well, "here" that used to be on freenode)
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< 1631199502 437195 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[velik]]
< 1631199503 604523 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Velik
< 1631199507 151419 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki velik
< 1631199509 315592 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : velik is an IRC bot maintained by User:Nakilon. It was created in 2021-05. It is resident on the libera/#esolangs channel. It can execute RASEL language code and also responds to some other commands (use \help to see all of them). https://esolangs.org/wiki/Velik
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< 1631199829 636890 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do I escape [ and ] in code block?
< 1631199895 370663 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean [[ and ]]
< 1631199896 557782 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Foobar%20and%20Foobaz%20and%20Barbaz,%20oh%20my!
< 1631199901 214386 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they become bold
< 1631199904 257622 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1631200138 463577 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :weird this issue does not happen on pages with bf code with double brackets
> 1631200411 743541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velik14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87958&oldid=87945 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+1) 10\wiki -> \wp, \esowiki -> \wiki, [wiki ...] -> [[...]]]
< 1631200435 131637 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs : worked
< 1631200542 124422 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki Jelly
< 1631200543 247730 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Jelly is a golfing language by Dennis Mitchell inspired by the J programming language. It has a free online compiler on Try It Online. It comes with its own character set (of 256 characters) and character encoding, apparently unrelated to any previous encodings. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Jelly
< 1631200552 740535 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cool.
< 1631200656 851214 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not really sure why it ignores esolangs, I didn't implemented it yet
< 1631200673 376707 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :velik you are too smart
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< 1631200989 683320 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it had to be triggered twice here :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :\u000314[[\u000307Velik\u000314]]\u00034 \u000310 \u000302https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87958&oldid=87945\u0003 \u00035*\u0003 \u000303Nakilon\u0003 \u00035*\u0003 (+1) \u000310\\wiki -> \\wp, \\esowiki -> \\wiki, [wiki ...] -> [[...]]]\u0003
< 1631201121 325408 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I guess the gem that is used here just can't handle ... nor those characters
< 1631201319 933011 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv
< 1631201698 362888 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or rather those queries just return nothing in wiki search
< 1631201772 868803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I... think I got confused because applying rotation B after A should be.... A*B? To get a model matrix?
< 1631201788 197382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking it would be B*A, but... ugh
> 1631202388 318112 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Meow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87959&oldid=87956 5* 03Martsadas 5* (+867) 10fixed 99 bottles of beer and added fizzbuzz and factorial and cat program
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< 1631203560 237507 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan | well seems lynn is now. she used to be a regular here. => ah didn't know that
< 1631203630 950906 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: i don't know if you already know, but henkma released their golfs recently https://github.com/henkma/HaskellGolfSpoiler
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< 1631205578 449864 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a way to indicate that a language should have an article, besides redlinking? In particular, is there a page of desired articles?
< 1631205631 929988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif: aha!
< 1631205771 641558 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like redlinking
< 1631205779 483067 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I miss the times when wikipedia was all red
< 1631206104 505790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is the automatic https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:WantedPages
< 1631206113 507795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(based on number of red links)
< 1631206163 871097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :[wiki List of ideas]
< 1631206174 169071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
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< 1631206303 63231 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[list of ideas]]
< 1631206304 223706 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/List%20of%20ideas
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< 1631206339 549797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah you changed that
< 1631206346 414563 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no one used this command, two people said to change the syntax to [[]], so I changed and now you used the old one ..D
< 1631206372 472094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :...update in progress...
< 1631206515 111119 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: what does '..D' mean? i've only ever seen it used by you
< 1631206528 662005 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps equivalent to ':D'?
< 1631206548 69580 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :What do we call classical computers on the wiki? I'm talking about machines whose complexity class is P.
< 1631206585 246799 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif yes, those are my smiles
< 1631206594 399134 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that statement doesn't quite make sense
< 1631206604 437931 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :P is the class of problems decidable by a deterministic Turing machine in polynomial time
< 1631206618 256621 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not really a class of machines
< 1631206626 783881 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :..P ..) ,.) you see, it's handy since I also can do with another eye .,) or both ,,)
< 1631206641 52554 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a class of decision problems
< 1631206642 586871 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah cool
< 1631206781 537046 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: for indicating that the language should have an article: sometimes I just make a stub article; sometimes I mention the language on my user talk page under "TODO"
< 1631206991 479709 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: Do you get what I mean, though?
< 1631207000 525913 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :not really
< 1631207018 347848 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :"deterministic Turing machine" is a class of machines
< 1631207038 632111 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so is "nondeterministic Turing machine"
< 1631207049 517411 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, lemme try again. What do we call the computers that aren't quantum computers, aren't time-travelling computers, aren't magically able to index exponential amounts of memory with constant-time access, don't have a way to talk to Merlin, etc.
< 1631207072 831539 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably "classical computers" or "deterministic Turing machines" or just "Turing machines"
< 1631207076 922071 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Sorry, I would *love* to have an argument about complexity classes and jargon, but I feel like I'm being BS'd here.)
< 1631207092 58498 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i'm not a wiki editor
< 1631207100 24984 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Turing machines have non-trivial differences in behavior depending on the number of tapes. That's why I'm looking for a better term.
< 1631207103 838357 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean... I have edited the wiki
< 1631207116 196735 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :really? I thought you could simulate any number of tapes on one tape
< 1631207143 495201 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :any fixed number that is
< 1631207173 825424 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But how long does it take to run the simulaton?
< 1631207203 980010 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :P is self-low, which means that a P machine can run a P machine as an oracle-like subroutine without leaving P. That's the sense in which a machine-oriented definition makes sense.
< 1631207242 303005 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :As a concrete demonstration, the redlinked language Pola is complete for P, which means that its abstract machine and type theory are also complete: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266217730_Pola_a_language_for_PTIME_programming
< 1631207294 938431 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Folklore is that simulating two tapes on one tape breaks this self-low property.
< 1631207416 581322 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: A more pressing concern is that Turing machines don't distinguish P and NP easily, which makes cryptography analytically invisible. Aaronson has a paper demolishing the viewpoint: https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0502072
< 1631207448 571993 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(This paper's mostly meant to dispel the hope that NP-complete machines are trivially physical, but in the process, it establishes a sense of classical computing so that P, BQP, and NP are contrasted.)
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< 1631208364 484121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( NP /\ coNP is also self-low, i think )
< 1631208441 194583 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Yeah. Indeed I think AP is self-low? Having trouble imagining an AP program which would refute that.
< 1631208455 776112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( why did i add "i think" inside a thought bubble )
< 1631208462 456865 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :*AP problem, even~ I'll try to be more precise, sorry.
< 1631208479 107187 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( at least you didn't . o O ( think ) )
< 1631208516 75761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( -----### )
< 1631208549 706710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( ouch ) O o . hmm.
> 1631208557 302588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSInstruction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87961&oldid=87960 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-26) 10
< 1631208902 495305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hm apparently AP = PSPACE which i am pretty sure is self-low.
< 1631208973 190614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although is self-lowness automatically preserved by such equations...
< 1631209076 360408 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[w:Low (complexity)]]
< 1631209076 422909 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1631209077 652560 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/1+
< 1631209100 679503 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :mmmm 1+
< 1631209104 848232 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the non-relativizing world, yes. Self-lowness doesn't relativize, which is kind of weird but also very nice because it gives us extreme confidence that e.g. P != PSPACE. (Also note that Time Hierarchy says that P != EXP, so this is expected.)
< 1631209104 969114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i smell a bug
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< 1631210314 132564 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6cc9:33fd:d92c:45c PRIVMSG #esolangs :way cool. have to show. dynamic dispatch in my language: https://github.com/egel-lang/egel/blob/master/examples/dispatch.eg
> 1631210407 612522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87962&oldid=86645 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-121) 10/* Computational class */
> 1631210459 992745 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87963&oldid=87266 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2775) 10/* Abstract algebraic languages */ new section
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< 1631211960 258966 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`fromroman CI
< 1631211961 289933 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :101
< 1631211962 212146 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`fromroman ci
< 1631211964 181908 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output.
< 1631212009 845005 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my stupid script only accepts lower case roman numerals. maybe I should fix that
< 1631212019 760791 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot fromroman CI
< 1631212020 64060 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [frameworks] [french] [freenode] [frinkbot] [framesready] [freenode ops] [form] [fireme] [format] [forums]
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< 1631213768 319960 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`fromroman ⅭⅠ
< 1631213769 197870 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output.
< 1631213776 802927 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode ⅭⅠ
< 1631213777 788564 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :[U+216D ROMAN NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED] [U+2160 ROMAN NUMERAL ONE]
< 1631213883 54741 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, there are dedicated combinations for each integer up to Ⅻ, presumably due to the clock thing.
< 1631213902 302935 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode ↈ
< 1631213903 406698 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :[U+2188 ROMAN NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND]
< 1631213903 768042 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIII or IV?
< 1631213924 276992 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's Ⅳ here, but maybe there's a quadruple-Ⅰ somewhere too.
< 1631213932 423113 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not in the same block though.
< 1631213974 979013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: fromroman won't decode those because it originates form a golf I wrote for a golf competitions
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< 1631214422 602537 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you like an abbreviation TLWTNT (this is a legit word, totally not a typo)?
< 1631214598 264242 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 PRIVMSG #esolangs :canonically (as decided by me while no others yet have adopted) this is used to mark a typo that you’ve just got an insight should be treated as is for greater good
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< 1631226429 874432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: what's the analogue of hill-climbing for minimization?
< 1631226430 296006 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ( 0,0,0) (3)+ ( 0,0,1) fnord ( x 3) worked the same way?
< 1631226457 68606 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: "I don't know" was an acceptable answer.
< 1631226457 325113 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it has a line length limit, became regular, right? not a good definition
< 1631226582 69765 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Valley-tumbling hth.
< 1631226629 132013 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Funny how for that one specific method, you can do gradient ascent and descent both, but in the general case you're always climbing up that hill.
< 1631226684 627478 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :downhill skiing
< 1631226697 565968 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: gradient descent
< 1631226706 517476 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's not the same though.
< 1631226723 161379 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used "hill-climbing", trusting the reader to take the dual view.
< 1631226736 418416 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, it's more special
< 1631226736 748557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Not applicable, I have a discrete problem.
< 1631226738 555315 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :more specific
< 1631226760 709854 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how about just local minimization?
< 1631226762 85492 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you want the serious answer, I think "climbing" is used for optimization in general, yes.
< 1631226767 896907 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I know it's not the same
< 1631226773 370885 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"valley dumbling" is nice
< 1631226786 662660 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, valley tumbling is cute :)
< 1631226869 466123 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :When hill-climbing for minimization, I think you're just supposed to think of the height as measuring general solution gooditude, not specifically the value of it.
< 1631226901 887074 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"gooditude" hehe
< 1631226990 965209 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I have no real qualms about using the term
< 1631227027 359590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I was curious whether there was an established term for it that I had somehow missed.
< 1631227030 210800 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so how about "valley climbing"?
< 1631227058 411206 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that... sounds wrong, somehow
< 1631227072 630772 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(down into the abysss?)
< 1631227133 356451 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :abyss climbing? ravine climbing? canyon climbing?
< 1631227148 489133 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah, I think just valley climbing
< 1631227160 527455 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :trench diving
< 1631227634 153346 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was an absurdist joke in a Finnish radio program once about Veikko Gustafsson, the lesser-known brother of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veikka_Gustafsson , a "flat land climber". But I don't remember the details well enough to do justice to it. Something about having a base camp in a ditch next to a field.
< 1631228143 7659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm reminded of this https://fr-fr.topographic-map.com/maps/zi6c/Volkspark-Prenzlauer-Berg/ ("Berg" = "mountain")
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< 1631228828 33025 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Well, you know, "vuori" = "mountain" too, and we've got https://zem.fi/tmp/monk-mountain.png
< 1631228879 46175 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: nice :)
< 1631229133 584971 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also a "red mountain" in the city centre that I think might be even a little flatter, that's where I grew up.
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