01:26:36 Bah. I think there's no way to tell the certbot-dns-rfc2136 plugin that it should attempt to do an RFC 2136 update to some *other* domain name, under the assumption it's been CNAME'd to a different domain. :/ I could probably script it on top of a manual auth hook and nsupdate, but :effort: 01:43:46 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:14:15 "I don't use an OS X so I can't really help in that" -- I just inform that that command isn't compatible 02:16:56 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 02:17:21 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:04:30 -!- dyeplexer has joined. 04:20:10 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:35:15 -!- Corbin has joined. 05:21:51 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:22:36 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:49:29 -!- velik has joined. 05:50:32 \wiki Linux 05:50:33 (alt: 'Linux kernel') Family of Unix-like operating systems 05:50:39 \wiki Linux kernel 05:50:40 Free and open-source Unix-like operating system kernel 05:51:53 \wiki VPCLMULQDQ 05:51:54 AVX-512 are 512-bit extensions to the 256-bit Advanced Vector Extensions SIMD instructions for x86 instruction set architecture (ISA) proposed by Intel in July 2013, and implemented in Intel's Xeon Phi x200 (Knights Landing) and Skylake-X CPUs; this includes the Core-X series (excluding the Core i5-7640X and Core i7-7740X), as well as the new Xeon Scalable Processor Family and Xeon D-2100 Embedded Series.[LF] 05:52:11 \wiki lasjdkjhasdjasbd 05:52:11 nothing was found 05:52:31 oh I'll append the ' ' to output 05:52:33 *prepend 06:00:38 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:00:57 -!- velik has joined. 06:06:53 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:07:12 -!- velik has joined. 06:12:54 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:13:11 -!- velik has joined. 06:25:32 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:25:58 -!- velik has joined. 06:29:24 [[Velik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87940&oldid=87683 * Nakilon * (+472) added examples of \wiki command 06:32:16 \wiki befunge 06:32:17 Chris Pressey[LF] 06:32:21 damn 06:32:29 badly formatted one I guess 06:43:39 \wiki befunge 06:43:40 Befunge is a two-dimensional stack-based, reflective, esoteric programming language. It differs from conventional languages in that programs are arranged on a two-dimensional grid. "Arrow" instructions direct the control flow to the left, right, up or down, and loops are constructed by sending the control flow in a cycle. It has been described as "a cross between Forth and Lemmings".[LF] 06:44:19 fixed the page, "programming language" Infobox was broken 06:49:37 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:50:04 -!- velik has joined. 07:14:17 -!- oerjan has joined. 07:15:39 -!- benji has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in). 07:16:10 -!- benji has joined. 07:17:33 -!- benji has quit (Client Quit). 07:18:03 -!- benji has joined. 07:20:55 -!- benji has quit (Client Quit). 07:21:27 -!- benji has joined. 07:21:46 -!- benji has quit (Client Quit). 07:22:16 -!- benji has joined. 08:06:53 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:09:21 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:21:55 -!- arseniiv has joined. 09:02:05 -!- joast has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:16:22 -!- joast has joined. 09:32:40 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 09:33:05 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:46:28 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:46:59 -!- velik has joined. 10:44:59 [[HeLiiLii]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87941 * Magnogen * (+2431) Created page with "==About HeLiiLii== [['''HeLiiLii''']] (pronounced heh-lee-lee) is an [[esoteric programming language]] designed by [[User:Magnogen]] in 2021, although the idea behind it was..." 11:20:58 [[HeLiiLii]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87942&oldid=87941 * Magnogen * (+1438) 11:27:48 [[HeLiiLii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87943&oldid=87942 * Magnogen * (+25) full name pog 11:30:12 [[HeLiiLii]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87944&oldid=87943 * Magnogen * (+14) heliilii 12:40:29 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:41:01 -!- velik has joined. 12:44:00 found that Wikidata has better summaries; code even became shorter 12:48:17 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:48:26 \wiki VPCLMULQDQ 12:48:27 AVX-512 -- Instruction set extension developed by Intel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVX-512 12:50:59 -!- delta23 has joined. 12:51:26 \wiki befunge 12:51:27 Befunge -- esoteric, 2-dimensional programming language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befunge 12:51:41 i seem to have read that wikipedia used the wikidata summaries at one point but then changed their policy not to 13:07:23 unfortunately such articles like befunge and avx don't have {short description} so those large outputs were the results of the whole first paragraph text parsing; switching to wikidata avoids these spontaneous big replies; I hope wikidata has summary for everything, we'll see 13:08:05 if not, I'll reattach the first paragraph parsing as a fallback 13:19:22 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 13:20:55 -!- hendursaga has joined. 13:26:00 though I can adapt that parsing to a... \esowiki 13:33:56 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:34:23 -!- velik has joined. 13:39:32 [[Velik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87945&oldid=87940 * Nakilon * (+434) added \esowiki 13:40:31 b_jonas I just spotted you wrote "commands starting with a backspace..." https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Velik&diff=prev&oldid=85671 13:40:37 lol 13:40:47 \esowiki befunge 13:40:48 Befunge is a two-dimensional esoteric programming language invented in 1993 by Chris Pressey with the goal of being as difficult to compile as possible. Code is laid out on a two-dimensional grid of instructions, and execution can proceed in any direction of that grid. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge 13:43:20 I suppose weird "Note" at the top of [wiki brainfuck] isn't a usual wikimedia Template that the parsing gem is used to, so it thinks it's the actual first paragraph ( 13:43:23 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck/w/index.php%3Ftitle=Talk:Brainfuck/index.php 13:43:48 woah, this url is weird 13:45:38 this is weird: 1. https://i.imgur.com/zLkVuWF.png 2. https://i.imgur.com/X0poLvz.png 13:51:16 -!- hanif has joined. 13:53:40 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:54:07 -!- velik has joined. 13:55:13 -!- Sgeo has joined. 13:55:54 [[User:Nakilon]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87946&oldid=83634 * Nakilon * (-25) can't be found on freenode 13:59:53 [[JSInstruction]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87947 * Dominicentek * (+3102) Created page with "JSInstruction is an esoteric programming language written by [User:Dominicentek]. The language has only one built in instruction and you can add more by including JavaScript c..." 14:01:10 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87948&oldid=87947 * Dominicentek * (-5) 14:02:24 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87949&oldid=87948 * Dominicentek * (+42) 14:02:42 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87950&oldid=87949 * Dominicentek * (+4) 14:03:12 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87951&oldid=87865 * Dominicentek * (+20) /* J */ 14:03:20 -!- spruit11 has quit (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.). 14:03:30 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87952&oldid=87950 * Dominicentek * (+2) 14:03:45 TBH I think unqualified "wiki" on this channel should mean our own one, not WikiPedia. 14:04:19 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87953&oldid=87952 * Dominicentek * (-1) 14:05:09 fair point 14:05:22 what would be the command for wikipedia then? \wikipedia? \wp? 14:07:27 why don't you use [[...]] for inline links instead of [wiki ...]? i guess you can then make your bot ignore the esolangs bot 14:07:55 nakilon: "wp"'s pretty unambigious imo, so both'd work 14:09:31 I use "wp" as my personal search keyword, but that's just me. 14:11:04 or even just 'w' which i think is how other wikimedia sites link to wikipedia (also ddg uses the !w bang for searching wikipedia) 14:11:26 what is ddg 14:11:36 And yeah, "Brainfuck/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brainfuck/index.php" is a different language than "Brainfuck", but it's unfortunate if that comes up as the best match there. 14:11:40 duckduckgo.com/ 14:12:11 [[User:Dominicentek]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87954&oldid=87179 * Dominicentek * (+39) 14:12:22 [[User:Dominicentek]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87955&oldid=87954 * Dominicentek * (+4) 14:12:42 oh I didn't even realise that's a language 14:16:07 I feel like it's in the same category of silly names as "Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download" and "Esolang talk:Klat gnalosE". 14:19:22 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 14:22:25 If I have a matrix multiplication A*B, I know I can interpret that as A transforming B. Is there any way to interpret it as B taking some action of rotation + translation on A? Maybe in a different order? (If it's a translate-rotate matrix) 14:24:15 Sgeo: transposition reverses multiplication 14:24:32 But then the resulting matrix is transposed 14:25:40 Then transpose again. Another way to put this is that the category of matrices is self-dual. 14:26:20 (That's the category whose objects are the natural numbers and arrows are matrices; composition is matrix multiplication, and the opposite category just transposes everything.) 14:28:31 you can think of applying (A*B)^t to a vector as applying the _transpose_ of that vector on the left of A*B 14:28:54 (a vector being seen as an n by 1 matrix) 14:29:49 that is, ((A*B)^t*v) = (v^t*A*B)^t 14:31:18 glh::matrix4f newCameraMatrix = slCameraMatrix * m_mat4HMDPose * eyeLocation; 14:31:51 Are there translations/rotations that could be done to slCameraMatrix that would be equivalent to that? (knowing m_mat4HMDPose and eyeLocation are translation/rotation matrices) 14:32:35 -!- spruit11 has joined. 14:32:39 [[Meow]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87956 * Martsadas * (+1603) Created page with "[[Meow]] is a joke esolang created by [[User:Martsadas]] that has 2 registers that can store integers

=== Instructions: === {| class="wikitable" ! Instruction !! What..." 14:33:00 [[User:Martsadas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87957&oldid=87787 * Martsadas * (+11) Meow 14:35:47 Sgeo: if all the matrices are invertible, A*B=C*A implies C=A*B*A^-1. that is going to depend on A. 14:36:14 if not all of the matrices are invertible, there might not be solution, or it might not be unique. 14:36:21 *a solution 14:38:16 s/all the matrices/A and B/, you get C for free. 14:38:44 The notes at https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL-Refpages/gl2.1/xhtml/gluLookAt.xml might be helpful in this particular case, too. 14:38:54 Hmm. A*B*C = D*E*A 14:38:55 would let some of the operations occur in a different order 14:40:30 Sgeo: that's not really going to help because what i said about C before now applies to M=D*E 14:46:49 http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Evil+Numbers some familiar names 14:49:36 yeah we played around with that here back in ... 2015, according to the date beside my name 14:50:28 i see henkma is no longer the unbeaten haskell champion 14:51:27 well seems lynn is now. she used to be a regular here. 14:53:20 (or well, "here" that used to be on freenode) 14:53:39 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:53:50 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 14:55:40 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:55:53 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Client Quit). 14:56:10 -!- velik has joined. 14:58:19 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 14:58:22 [[velik]] 14:58:23 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Velik 14:58:27 \wiki velik 14:58:29 velik is an IRC bot maintained by User:Nakilon. It was created in 2021-05. It is resident on the libera/#esolangs channel. It can execute RASEL language code and also responds to some other commands (use \help to see all of them). https://esolangs.org/wiki/Velik 14:58:31 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 15:00:03 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:00:23 -!- velik has joined. 15:03:49 how do I escape [ and ] in code block? 15:04:55 I mean [[ and ]] 15:04:56 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Foobar%20and%20Foobaz%20and%20Barbaz,%20oh%20my! 15:05:01 they become bold 15:05:04 lol 15:08:58 weird this issue does not happen on pages with bf code with double brackets 15:13:31 [[Velik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87958&oldid=87945 * Nakilon * (+1) \wiki -> \wp, \esowiki -> \wiki, [wiki ...] -> [[...]]] 15:13:55 worked 15:15:42 \wiki Jelly 15:15:43 Jelly is a golfing language by Dennis Mitchell inspired by the J programming language. It has a free online compiler on Try It Online. It comes with its own character set (of 256 characters) and character encoding, apparently unrelated to any previous encodings. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Jelly 15:15:52 Cool. 15:17:36 I'm not really sure why it ignores esolangs, I didn't implemented it yet 15:17:53 velik you are too smart 15:22:15 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:23:09 it had to be triggered twice here :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :\u000314[[\u000307Velik\u000314]]\u00034 \u000310 \u000302https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87958&oldid=87945\u0003 \u00035*\u0003 \u000303Nakilon\u0003 \u00035*\u0003 (+1) \u000310\\wiki -> \\wp, \\esowiki -> \\wiki, [wiki ...] -> [[...]]]\u0003 15:25:21 ok, I guess the gem that is used here just can't handle ... nor those characters 15:28:39 -!- arseniiv has joined. 15:34:58 or rather those queries just return nothing in wiki search 15:36:12 I... think I got confused because applying rotation B after A should be.... A*B? To get a model matrix? 15:36:28 I was thinking it would be B*A, but... ugh 15:46:28 [[Meow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87959&oldid=87956 * Martsadas * (+867) fixed 99 bottles of beer and added fizzbuzz and factorial and cat program 15:58:37 -!- hanif has joined. 16:06:00 oerjan | well seems lynn is now. she used to be a regular here. => ah didn't know that 16:07:10 oerjan: i don't know if you already know, but henkma released their golfs recently https://github.com/henkma/HaskellGolfSpoiler 16:30:56 -!- imode has joined. 16:32:53 -!- riv has joined. 16:39:38 Is there a way to indicate that a language should have an article, besides redlinking? In particular, is there a page of desired articles? 16:40:31 hanif: aha! 16:42:51 I like redlinking 16:42:59 I miss the times when wikipedia was all red 16:48:24 there is the automatic https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:WantedPages 16:48:33 (based on number of red links) 16:49:23 [wiki List of ideas] 16:49:34 hm 16:50:24 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.2). 16:51:43 [[list of ideas]] 16:51:44 https://esolangs.org/wiki/List%20of%20ideas 16:52:11 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87960&oldid=87953 * Dominicentek * (+4) 16:52:19 ah you changed that 16:52:26 no one used this command, two people said to change the syntax to [[]], so I changed and now you used the old one ..D 16:52:52 ...update in progress... 16:55:15 nakilon: what does '..D' mean? i've only ever seen it used by you 16:55:28 perhaps equivalent to ':D'? 16:55:48 What do we call classical computers on the wiki? I'm talking about machines whose complexity class is P. 16:56:25 hanif yes, those are my smiles 16:56:34 that statement doesn't quite make sense 16:56:44 P is the class of problems decidable by a deterministic Turing machine in polynomial time 16:56:58 it's not really a class of machines 16:57:06 ..P ..) ,.) you see, it's handy since I also can do with another eye .,) or both ,,) 16:57:21 it's a class of decision problems 16:57:22 ah cool 16:59:41 Corbin: for indicating that the language should have an article: sometimes I just make a stub article; sometimes I mention the language on my user talk page under "TODO" 17:03:11 keegan: Do you get what I mean, though? 17:03:20 not really 17:03:38 "deterministic Turing machine" is a class of machines 17:03:58 so is "nondeterministic Turing machine" 17:04:09 Okay, lemme try again. What do we call the computers that aren't quantum computers, aren't time-travelling computers, aren't magically able to index exponential amounts of memory with constant-time access, don't have a way to talk to Merlin, etc. 17:04:32 probably "classical computers" or "deterministic Turing machines" or just "Turing machines" 17:04:36 (Sorry, I would *love* to have an argument about complexity classes and jargon, but I feel like I'm being BS'd here.) 17:04:52 but i'm not a wiki editor 17:05:00 Turing machines have non-trivial differences in behavior depending on the number of tapes. That's why I'm looking for a better term. 17:05:03 i mean... I have edited the wiki 17:05:16 really? I thought you could simulate any number of tapes on one tape 17:05:43 any fixed number that is 17:06:13 But how long does it take to run the simulaton? 17:06:43 P is self-low, which means that a P machine can run a P machine as an oracle-like subroutine without leaving P. That's the sense in which a machine-oriented definition makes sense. 17:07:22 As a concrete demonstration, the redlinked language Pola is complete for P, which means that its abstract machine and type theory are also complete: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266217730_Pola_a_language_for_PTIME_programming 17:08:14 Folklore is that simulating two tapes on one tape breaks this self-low property. 17:10:16 keegan: A more pressing concern is that Turing machines don't distinguish P and NP easily, which makes cryptography analytically invisible. Aaronson has a paper demolishing the viewpoint: https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0502072 17:10:48 (This paper's mostly meant to dispel the hope that NP-complete machines are trivially physical, but in the process, it establishes a sense of classical computing so that P, BQP, and NP are contrasted.) 17:13:59 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:16:09 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:26:04 . o O ( NP /\ coNP is also self-low, i think ) 17:27:21 oerjan: Yeah. Indeed I think AP is self-low? Having trouble imagining an AP program which would refute that. 17:27:35 . o O ( why did i add "i think" inside a thought bubble ) 17:27:42 *AP problem, even~ I'll try to be more precise, sorry. 17:27:59 . o O ( at least you didn't . o O ( think ) ) 17:28:36 . o O ( -----### ) 17:29:09 . o O ( ouch ) O o . hmm. 17:29:17 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87961&oldid=87960 * Dominicentek * (-26) 17:35:02 oh hm apparently AP = PSPACE which i am pretty sure is self-low. 17:36:13 although is self-lowness automatically preserved by such equations... 17:37:56 [[w:Low (complexity)]] 17:37:56 oh well 17:37:57 https://esolangs.org/wiki/1+ 17:38:20 mmmm 1+ 17:38:24 In the non-relativizing world, yes. Self-lowness doesn't relativize, which is kind of weird but also very nice because it gives us extreme confidence that e.g. P != PSPACE. (Also note that Time Hierarchy says that P != EXP, so this is expected.) 17:38:24 i smell a bug 17:39:34 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 17:40:16 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Client Quit). 17:40:35 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 17:43:44 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:44:41 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 17:56:01 -!- Oshawott has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:58:34 way cool. have to show. dynamic dispatch in my language: https://github.com/egel-lang/egel/blob/master/examples/dispatch.eg 18:00:07 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87962&oldid=86645 * Rdococ * (-121) /* Computational class */ 18:00:59 [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87963&oldid=87266 * Corbin * (+2775) /* Abstract algebraic languages */ new section 18:05:25 -!- riv has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:09:09 -!- riv has joined. 18:13:24 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 18:16:11 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87964&oldid=87961 * Dominicentek * (+8) 18:17:51 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87965&oldid=87964 * Dominicentek * (+6) 18:26:00 `fromroman CI 18:26:01 101 18:26:02 `fromroman ci 18:26:04 No output. 18:26:49 my stupid script only accepts lower case roman numerals. maybe I should fix that 18:26:59 perlbot fromroman CI 18:27:00 b_jonas: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [frameworks] [french] [freenode] [frinkbot] [framesready] [freenode ops] [form] [fireme] [format] [forums] 18:28:21 -!- Melvar has joined. 18:39:25 -!- dyeplexer has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:40:38 -!- hanif has quit (Quit: quit). 18:56:08 `fromroman ⅭⅠ 18:56:09 No output. 18:56:16 `unidecode ⅭⅠ 18:56:17 ​[U+216D ROMAN NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED] [U+2160 ROMAN NUMERAL ONE] 18:58:03 Heh, there are dedicated combinations for each integer up to Ⅻ, presumably due to the clock thing. 18:58:22 `unidecode ↈ 18:58:23 ​[U+2188 ROMAN NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND] 18:58:23 IIII or IV? 18:58:44 It's Ⅳ here, but maybe there's a quadruple-Ⅰ somewhere too. 18:58:52 Not in the same block though. 18:59:34 fizzie: fromroman won't decode those because it originates form a golf I wrote for a golf competitions 19:00:15 `unidecode ↅↆ 19:00:16 ​[U+2185 ROMAN NUMERAL SIX LATE FORM] [U+2186 ROMAN NUMERAL FIFTY EARLY FORM] 19:04:54 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87966&oldid=87965 * Dominicentek * (-26) 19:07:02 do you like an abbreviation TLWTNT (this is a legit word, totally not a typo)? 19:09:58 canonically (as decided by me while no others yet have adopted) this is used to mark a typo that you’ve just got an insight should be treated as is for greater good 19:09:58 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87967&oldid=87966 * Dominicentek * (+47) 19:11:18 [[JSInstruction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87968&oldid=87967 * Dominicentek * (+0) 19:13:29 -!- Koen_ has joined. 19:54:09 -!- sprock has joined. 20:48:17 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:56:44 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:56:54 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 20:57:15 -!- sprock has joined. 20:58:07 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:59:31 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 21:13:42 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 21:15:49 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:17:05 -!- delta23 has joined. 22:27:09 fungot: what's the analogue of hill-climbing for minimization? 22:27:10 int-e: ( 0,0,0) (3)+ ( 0,0,1) fnord ( x 3) worked the same way? 22:27:37 fungot: "I don't know" was an acceptable answer. 22:27:37 int-e: it has a line length limit, became regular, right? not a good definition 22:29:42 int-e: Valley-tumbling hth. 22:30:29 Funny how for that one specific method, you can do gradient ascent and descent both, but in the general case you're always climbing up that hill. 22:31:24 downhill skiing 22:31:37 int-e: gradient descent 22:31:46 That's not the same though. 22:32:03 I used "hill-climbing", trusting the reader to take the dual view. 22:32:16 yeah, it's more special 22:32:16 b_jonas: Not applicable, I have a discrete problem. 22:32:18 more specific 22:32:40 how about just local minimization? 22:32:42 If you want the serious answer, I think "climbing" is used for optimization in general, yes. 22:32:47 yeah, I know it's not the same 22:32:53 "valley dumbling" is nice 22:33:06 yeah, valley tumbling is cute :) 22:34:29 When hill-climbing for minimization, I think you're just supposed to think of the height as measuring general solution gooditude, not specifically the value of it. 22:35:01 "gooditude" hehe 22:36:30 fizzie: I have no real qualms about using the term 22:37:07 But I was curious whether there was an established term for it that I had somehow missed. 22:37:10 so how about "valley climbing"? 22:37:38 that... sounds wrong, somehow 22:37:52 (down into the abysss?) 22:38:53 abyss climbing? ravine climbing? canyon climbing? 22:39:08 nah, I think just valley climbing 22:39:20 trench diving 22:47:14 There was an absurdist joke in a Finnish radio program once about Veikko Gustafsson, the lesser-known brother of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veikka_Gustafsson , a "flat land climber". But I don't remember the details well enough to do justice to it. Something about having a base camp in a ditch next to a field. 22:55:43 I'm reminded of this https://fr-fr.topographic-map.com/maps/zi6c/Volkspark-Prenzlauer-Berg/ ("Berg" = "mountain") 23:05:14 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 23:07:08 int-e: Well, you know, "vuori" = "mountain" too, and we've got https://zem.fi/tmp/monk-mountain.png 23:07:59 fizzie: nice :) 23:12:13 There's also a "red mountain" in the city centre that I think might be even a little flatter, that's where I grew up. 23:13:30 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:15:04 -!- hendursaga has joined.