< 1631232040 43840 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursaga < 1631232066 620559 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1631234230 696228 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631234255 952342 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1631235400 719288 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631235425 996955 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1631235996 711058 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631236116 536548 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel JOIN #esolangs earendel :Amore Fuenfter Stock < 1631236405 114578 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6cc9:33fd:d92c:45c PRIVMSG #esolangs :man page: https://egel.tiiny.site/ < 1631237090 818179 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can it be downloaded in the man page format instead of HTML? < 1631237100 548617 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-106.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631237335 114007 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm guessing it would be the file at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/egel-lang/egel/master/man/egel.1 < 1631237947 189564 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6cc9:33fd:d92c:45c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yah, it's generated from markdown. took a while to get accustomed to this syntax again though. page has quirks but ah well < 1631237947 537235 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar > 1631240933 718993 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Shift-eleven 5* 10New user account > 1631241116 858496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87969&oldid=87918 5* 03Shift-eleven 5* (+188) 10 > 1631241147 531963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87970&oldid=87969 5* 03Shift-eleven 5* (+0) 10 < 1631243320 728046 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631243345 631413 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1631243347 198611 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631246200 555668 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6cc9:33fd:d92c:45c QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631247680 644285 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6cc9:33fd:d92c:45c JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1631247841 853246 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :20:37:56 [[w:Low (complexity)]] < 1631247843 12558 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/1+ < 1631247847 507793 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[Low (complexity)]] < 1631247848 672582 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/List%20of%20complexity%20classes < 1631247865 790488 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION should do more work on that page < 1631247970 605298 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6cc9:33fd:d92c:45c QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631247995 530599 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :those roman letters will have no place in my charset; the one he included them was probably not told that there are fonts < 1631248372 379757 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :11:58 < HackEso> ​[U+2188 ROMAN NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND] < 1631248375 9926 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow never saw this one before < 1631248376 291458 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it looks cool < 1631248422 894115 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :almost as cool as Multiocular O < 1631248429 123516 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :of which I am an official sponsor < 1631248557 754608 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just square < 1631248727 346680 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had tried to write to promote my project (perhaps one thing is I don't know what to write). Sometimes I did but not much happened. Sometimes I could not find it. Sometimes other things fail. In one case, I got a message about being banned due to my IP address, but the IP address they mentioned is not the correct address that I connected from, and there was a broken link to ask the administrator. < 1631248758 396814 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just had a dream about being physically hacked < 1631248855 421704 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was playing in some shooter video game and you know video games in dreams are always mixing with "reality", so we were shooting each other, getting loot, trying different weapons, and when you change or upgrade or idk, doing something with it there is a wall with a hole < 1631248945 128506 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :where you insert something and get ammo in return, and instead of ammo something long starting coming out, some copper ribbon that never ends, and the game provides nothing to cut it so I was effectively stuck taking out that bought infinite ribbon < 1631249025 390173 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I don't know what to do. < 1631249086 321156 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38 where is that? < 1631249424 860637 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6cc9:33fd:d92c:45c JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1631250343 824484 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:6cc9:33fd:d92c:45c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631250850 130435 :feoh!~feoh@137.184.104.30 JOIN #esolangs feoh :Chris Patti < 1631252118 726051 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't like this OEIS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpi%C5%84ski_number < 1631252163 952530 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for years looking at those sequences I never suspected there might be numbers added in between of already computated lists < 1631252241 765086 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :numbers are whack < 1631252265 850476 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example I could somehow find a yet unknown number in the list, so I put it in a search and it says no results < 1631252332 746121 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_or_Bust is a nice way to look at that particular situation; there are six "Colbert numbers" left, and that should slowly decrease to zero. < 1631252333 875432 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the sequence should not be there or should be somehow marked that it contains gaps < 1631252371 541723 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that progress might never end < 1631252447 408740 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, OEIS should probably indicate this somewhere. But I think it's fine for folks who are implementing sequences from OEIS to realize for themselves when a function is recursive or otherwise definitely gap-free. < 1631252499 951789 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so for any time you put some search sequence and find no results (or even if you find some!) there might be an unknown number of other OEIS sequences added like this one that won't show up in results < 1631252531 560477 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there is no point to hold it there if it does not show up by searching even such small numbers as 5 digits long or even shorter < 1631252647 89918 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it should have additional list of "proven to not be there" attached < 1631252671 23566 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the search results could say "maybe it is this OEIS, but definitely not this one" < 1631252754 952954 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or listing the yet unproved candidates, does not matter < 1631253585 972375 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://programming.guide/worlds-most-copied-so-snippet.html < 1631254707 640987 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1631255718 333644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1631256820 754929 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do you automatically decide what looks better? "1 mon 3 weeks" or "7 weeks 2 days" or "51 days" < 1631258139 155705 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1631259494 518056 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Quit: brb < 1631259553 801153 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631261168 612497 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1631261385 617172 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1631261733 416967 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1631262452 94616 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I's like to complain about the touchscreen UI of the self-service checkout machine in a supermarket. the problematic case is when I buy a few, say 5, normal items, plus 12 cheap candy bars. I want to be able to check on on the touchscreen interface if it counted the right number of candy bars. the touchscreen displays the last 9 items that you scanned, which in this case will be "candy bar 33g 89 / < 1631262458 221013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :candy bar 33g 89 / candy bar 33g 89 / candy bar 33g 89 / candy bar 33g 89 / candy bar 33g 89 / candy bar 33g 89 / candy bar 33g 89 / candy bar 33g 89". there's a touchable pair of arrows that scroll the list up. if you press the up arrow, it tries to scroll up one full screen (9 lines), but doesn't scroll further than the top of the list. so you see "bread 1kg 360 / milk 1.4 1l 260 / garbage bag 35l 850 < 1631262464 226769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :/ fruit-flavored juice 470 / sausage 1120 / candy bar 33g 89 / candy bar 33g 89 / candy bar 33g 89 / candy bar 33g 89". if you scroll down again, it just goes to the previous state. VERY USEFUL, darned interface. < 1631262496 723848 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a cashier did show me the workaround though: hold the feed button on the recipt printer, check how many candy bar lines are on the paper recipt so far < 1631262837 504786 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is one of the best things about touchpad vs desktop with mouse < 1631262868 226414 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can't count or even follow things that you scroll in chunks < 1631263166 571463 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1b3:349a:ee3f:a17e JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1631265249 481911 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, I mean, some things have smooth scrolling < 1631265322 330177 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least where I live though, all the supermarket checkout things are touchscreens - I don't think I've ever really bought a lot of a single item like that though. seems like they could do it well with a scrollbar, but it might "clutter the interface" or something < 1631265526 548303 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631265682 354442 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1631265866 935611 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they just have to print "x6" < 1631267118 718590 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Sainsbury's machines do group identical items together. Or at least the handheld scanner you grab to scan items as you go, I don't remember if the traditional self-checkout machines do. < 1631267266 903039 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1631268578 564817 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631268586 656827 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:5542:2068:efaa:d531 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1631268810 581726 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:d1b3:349a:ee3f:a17e QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631270305 815656 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION growls < 1631270327 478934 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`python3 -cn="/hackenv/bin/fromroman";s=open(n).read();o=s.replace('{(sh','{uc((sh').replace('0]}','0])}');print(o);open(n,"w").write(o);print("write successful"); < 1631270330 70047 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ sub k{my$t;$t=~y/IVXLC/XLCDM/,$t.=("",I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX)[$_]for/./g;$r{$t}=$_;$t}k for s""\$"..4e3;print $r{uc((shift=~/(\w+)/)[0])},$/ \ \ write successful < 1631270341 458966 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`fromroman LVII < 1631270342 738934 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :57 < 1631270345 344971 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`fromroman lvii < 1631270346 201809 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :57 < 1631270401 424183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://numpy.org/doc/stable/reference/generated/numpy.matrix.html "It is no longer recommended to use this class, even for linear algebra. Instead use regular arrays." would be *far* more helpful with a transition guide that explains how to do matrix operations the new way < 1631270434 775340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since, apparently, A*B on arrays is pointwise, leading to *huge* confusion. < 1631270472 376920 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: try either the .dot() method or, with new enough python, the @ infix operator < 1631270524 645825 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Oh now that I knew what I'm looking for that information was easy to find. < 1631270567 899897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, still missing one piece of the puzzle... but I guess that will fall into place momentarily < 1631270706 732060 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, since this may not be easy to find, if you want matrix computations in C++, I recommend http://eigen.tuxfamily.org/ < 1631270737 291457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have used that one, maybe on your recommendation; I forgot. < 1631270813 85898 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :regardless, my complaint is that "use arrays instead" doesn't give any hint as to changed operator semantics < 1631270858 961531 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1631270859 277859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you're supposed to infer that from "It has certain special operators, such as * (matrix multiplication) and ** (matrix power)." < 1631270862 207995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I didn't. > 1631271087 731977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mogus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87971&oldid=87939 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+222) 10 < 1631271172 558880 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I may have come across this issue before and forgotten about it. > 1631271213 207555 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mogus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87972&oldid=87971 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+12) 10 < 1631271336 343776 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually this whole experience would've been a lot better if numpy didn't allow me to write matrix * array expressions. < 1631271415 331591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because for the first half hour of debugging this I was quite unaware that I was juggling with two different types and getting into a huge mess because of that > 1631271467 210949 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mogus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87973&oldid=87930 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+51) 10 < 1631271740 884910 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"would be *far* more helpful" was never a consideration in pithon docs < 1631272151 242537 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I wasn't even aware that there was a "matrix" class in numpy < 1631272172 67236 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I ever constructed one; but then I haven't written my numpy code < 1631272182 20972 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I sort of have a love-hate relationship with numpy < 1631272206 737996 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's well-written and well-known enough, but has too many odd quirks and irregularities\ < 1631272234 168785 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but at least it has a nice python interface, also a C API, and its indexes are 0-based. those alone make it better than most array libraries. < 1631272309 769056 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and designing a good easily usable numerical array library without odd quirks is a very hard problem, possibly impossible, possibly just not yet solved > 1631273368 802038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mogus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87974&oldid=87973 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+176) 10fix truth-machine > 1631274482 632244 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mogus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87975&oldid=87974 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+123) 10add implementation > 1631274595 198820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mogus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87976&oldid=87972 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+203) 10update > 1631274770 435628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mogus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87977&oldid=87975 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+2507) 10add hello world > 1631275732 822308 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:VilgotanL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87978&oldid=85328 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+12) 10add mogus to language list < 1631277192 146069 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[🐢]] < 1631277193 305944 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/%F0%9F%90%A2 < 1631277205 821255 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wiki 🐢 < 1631277206 982255 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : 🐢 is an esolang by VilgotanL created for an esojam in Truttle1's discord server, it uses an accumulator and a cell tape that can both hold unbounded integers. https://esolangs.org/wiki/%F0%9F%90%A2 > 1631277707 641595 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Suscript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=87979 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+1383) 10Created page with "Suscript is a cell-based esolang by people in the amogus esolang crew, this page is a WIP. == Instructions == {| class="wikitable" |- | eject ''"string"'' || Pri..." < 1631277811 938851 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :amogus esolang crew? < 1631278016 207478 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is some alternative reality with Not applicable and other guys who make languages every week > 1631278612 955476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Suscript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87980&oldid=87979 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+179) 10add computational class < 1631279000 931511 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1631279935 428217 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631279966 919240 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs * :velik < 1631281507 998316 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1631281537 624116 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1631281831 887978 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:3593:e920:b3b6:f6a4 JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1631281918 371819 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel JOIN #esolangs earendel :Amore Fuenfter Stock < 1631281922 696949 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631282040 722599 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow this was long ago https://i.imgur.com/fTVRjAl.png < 1631282062 357979 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :gonna reincarnate < 1631283174 693346 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1631283582 631573 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1631283873 541382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1631284879 541229 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1631286095 652675 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1631286569 313001 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1631288623 932076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of complexity classes14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87981&oldid=87267 5* 03Corbin 5* (+1644) 10Add a section on L. < 1631288654 99349 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: ^^^ Please LMK if this is headed in the right direction. I'm trying to be precise while not wasting words. > 1631289211 948009 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03G cat101 5* 10New user account > 1631289408 966873 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87982&oldid=87970 5* 03G cat101 5* (+154) 10 < 1631289413 772060 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also want to complain about touch screens; I don't like touch screen, and I think using a keyboard would be better > 1631289429 554893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuxRo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87983&oldid=58964 5* 03G cat101 5* (+0) 10fixed the typo < 1631289519 160037 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :touchscreen keyboard? ..D > 1631289586 700652 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87984&oldid=87926 5* 03AceKiron 5* (-8818) 10Replaced content with "'''School''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] developed by [[User:AceKiron]], it originally started development on June 15th 2021, but has been deprecated. Later it..." < 1631289588 902026 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/An%20esoteric%20programming%20language%20(ess-oh-terr-ick),%20or%20esolang,%20is%20a%20computer%20programming%20language%20designed%20to%20experiment%20with%20weird%20ideas,%20to%20be%20hard%20to%20program%20in,%20or%20as%20a%20joke,%20rather%20than%20for%20practical%20use. https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:AceKiron < 1631289595 294908 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops < 1631289604 930978 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :time to implement the ignore < 1631289839 559168 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1631289971 611054 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1631290152 502234 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: looks like there's already a channel for esolangs https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO-PlVJRfGIVZuzu6e_0qOvqRnM_TdNye < 1631290232 423252 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanif: Delightful! < 1631291041 783016 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 PRIVMSG #esolangs : int-e: I wasn't even aware that there was a "matrix" class in numpy => b_jonas: AFAIK today that class is just for backward compatibility, it’s suggested to use ndarrays all the way < 1631291095 220469 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 PRIVMSG #esolangs : there is some alternative reality with Not applicable and other guys who make languages every week => there is a discord server somewhere, there was a ton of people when I once checked what that was < 1631291106 844412 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@messages? < 1631291106 936103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sorry, no messages today. < 1631291109 629986 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631291434 563252 :Koen_!~Koen@77.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1631292405 265685 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631292436 921689 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs * :velik > 1631292534 716851 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velik14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87985&oldid=87958 5* 03Nakilon 5* (-2) 10test [[the]] ignore < 1631292546 616811 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1631292729 55142 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thumbnail for Whitespace video on that channel < 1631292808 612537 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1631292896 246072 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07School14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87986&oldid=87984 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+458) 10 < 1631293943 633894 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1631294947 355967 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1631295016 951260 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1631295286 868016 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf *is* velik doing there... turn [[link]] into URL, fetch that URL, then turn that into an URL again? < 1631295515 173866 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[]] isn't fetching < 1631295599 676132 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :only searches to make full url < 1631295611 747931 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the \wiki is fetching < 1631295646 689891 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and makes url too because why not, the response already has text and you might want to read more < 1631295892 598924 :benji!~benji@user/benji QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1631295923 958096 :benji!~benji@user/benji JOIN #esolangs benji :benji < 1631296019 902300 :benji!~benji@user/benji QUIT :Client Quit < 1631296114 313063 :benji!~benji@user/benji JOIN #esolangs benji :benji < 1631296136 380067 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1631296136 625916 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.highgate.irccloud.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1631296147 844354 :faxlore!sid505520@id-505520.highgate.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631296201 612345 :benji!~benji@user/benji QUIT :Client Quit < 1631296233 966358 :faxlore!sid505520@highgate.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs faxlore :faxlore < 1631296290 405116 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1631296321 4093 :benji!~benji@user/benji JOIN #esolangs benji :benji < 1631296329 611108 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1631296349 372483 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.highgate.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs aarchi :aarchi < 1631296533 360904 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: so how did that message trigger that particular result which evidently includes contents of [[esoteric programming language]]? < 1631296578 540490 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631296722 161082 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's not contents, that's URL of the article ..D < 1631296724 813879 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's that long < 1631296775 390397 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because long name < 1631296849 790898 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably needs category Unusable for programming btw < 1631296880 32470 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh. So that is a valid link... but why didn't it end up on the more obvious https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language? < 1631296948 378228 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, my IRC client does not include the trailing "." so if you click you don't hit the correct address < 1631296992 903577 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs : /shrug https://i.imgur.com/Wyye3Id.png < 1631297033 100673 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :same with brainfuck -- wiki seems to dislike exact title match < 1631297390 559389 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631297654 617077 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1631297972 42447 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :i've had to resort to my search engine to search wikipedia several times < 1631298475 735890 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :your search engine? < 1631298507 259542 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :to find me the matching wikipedia article < 1631298525 557184 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631298565 495561 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :(mostly when i'm not bothered to spend effort in spelling correctly) < 1631298697 599412 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631298712 349305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"my search engine" is usually similar to "my car" < 1631298727 700256 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's the one I use, it doesn't mean I built it. < 1631298738 410823 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631298805 575256 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631298891 299667 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1631299437 135671 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, there was a similar thing where the first hit for https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?search=Brainfuck&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 is "Brainfuck/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brainfuck/index.php" (which again is a silly title rather than a piece of a URL). > 1631299462 696516 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSInstruction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87987&oldid=87968 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-55) 10 < 1631299491 151211 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it might dislike exact matches in the results list because it has a separate dedicated message ("there is a page named X on this wiki") for those. > 1631299511 204827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSInstruction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87988&oldid=87987 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (-2) 10 < 1631299531 894778 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've no idea how it does ranking though. < 1631300072 179035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can make it select the one closest by levenshtein if this will happen a lot < 1631300143 227689 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the one of top 5 < 1631300802 380547 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631301030 560022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1631302193 453303 :Koen_!~Koen@77.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631302382 559394 :Koen_!~Koen@77.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1631302837 754225 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1631303164 624276 :Koen_!~Koen@77.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1631303880 570700 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631304318 313894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: i suspect your definition of s,t-forest accessibility is wrong, because it looks like just s,t-connectivity, which is NL-complete. < 1631304348 792807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i don't know what the former _should_ be, unless it's just that the graph must be a forest.) < 1631304523 921286 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631304669 302942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, "The same problem for undirected graphs is called undirected s-t connectivity and was shown to be L-complete by Omer Reingold." < 1631304778 524277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i may have known that already but almost forgotten < 1631304807 663427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION never actually took a class on complexity theory, just picked up some here and there < 1631305066 246010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: btw L and NL are also self-low. < 1631305236 490718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, one of my favorite facts about L is that showing arithmetic is in it has some surprisingly deep parts (division, base conversion, and multiplying lists of numbers) < 1631305269 184097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's easy to show multiplying just two numbers is in L, or adding a list) < 1631305348 588426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think perhaps once you have those deep parts you can also do power series < 1631305370 533720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you should get trigonometry etc. as well < 1631305392 359755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :multiplying a list of numbers is in L? < 1631305393 194812 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow < 1631305508 222553 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs : "my search engine" is usually similar to "my car" – Or, as some languages would have it, “my search engine”, not “my search engine”. < 1631305788 187910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: well, integers at least. i haven't thought carefully about floating point. < 1631305845 114927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :all of these deep things work via doing arithmetic modulo a heap of small primes... the hard part is converting that back to a number in normal format < 1631305894 993800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :easy in P (use chinese remainder theorem) < 1631306111 963050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the clue if i recall correct is to find out just how to _compare_ numbers in chinese remainder format. which i've forgotten the details of. < 1631306116 830200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*correctly < 1631306193 829267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, much of this, perhaps all, works in the even lower complexity class TC^0. < 1631306218 200078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but i found it mindblowing enough to get L) < 1631307050 397780 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: sure, in P I can do it too, because you can multiply two numbers in linear time, so multiply a list of numbers in quadratic time < 1631307069 481697 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you don't even need to know that youc an multiply two numbers in linear time for that < 1631307072 486086 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :quadratic is enough < 1631307125 217711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :mhm < 1631307201 606337 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1631307208 937677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm a corollary of this is that you can do factorial in linear working space < 1631307227 339641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(with write-only output not counted) < 1631307391 923815 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1631307501 614254 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1631307530 731887 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631307577 704117 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1631308097 552834 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I may have misread the 1986 paper I linked, but it showed s,t-connectivity for "forests", which includes both directed and undirected graphs. I am happy to learn that I've misunderstood. < 1631309770 112958 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? zoo < 1631309772 793811 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :zoo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1631309774 435113 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? complexity zoo < 1631309776 46646 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :complexity zoo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1631309781 730732 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, what's the new link to it? < 1631309781 929907 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: que se fnord!!" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord < 1631309794 408873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://paste.lisp.org/display/fnord ? < 1631309916 241035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: forests are by definition acyclic, unlike general graphs. also the directed version has an additional stipulation "outdegree zero or one". < 1631309976 811743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(under "Given:") < 1631310222 556337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the cycle detection listed seems to be undirected < 1631310512 584694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: however, it is a famous theorem (the one i quoted above) that general undirected graph connectivity is L-complete, which was not known yet at the time of that paper (UCONN in FL is listed as an open problem). < 1631310597 520682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(by Omer Reingold) < 1631311039 42760 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Hm, okay, thanks. < 1631311648 677055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1631312451 572118 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631312902 302156 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631312999 912917 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :should I visit a fest tomorrow to take a selfie with 1 mln subs youtuber or should I stay at home keeping distancing