00:12:51 <esolangs> [[User:Maikeru51]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88076 * Maikeru51 * (+118) Created page with "Amogus == Esolangs I am working on == When the Imposter is Sus Among Us+ == Esolangs I have finished == None right now"
00:14:05 <esolangs> [[User:Maikeru51]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88077&oldid=88076 * Maikeru51 * (+2) 
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04:34:14 <esolangs> [[Cammy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88078&oldid=88074 * Corbin * (+50) Replace the subobject classifier with an internal Boolean algebra, downgrading from topoi to Cartesian closed categories.
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08:00:38 <riv> https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1438208628348100624
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09:19:49 <zzo38> What is it call if a programming language has only one interface for objects, but multiple implementations are possible?
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10:10:02 <esolangs> [[++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88080 * Gilbert189 * (+236) Created page with "++, or [removed - please be polite]++ is C++, but the letter "c" is banned. If one is found, the compiler will say that a "bad letter" is found, and fail to compile.  == Examp..."
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10:13:49 <wib_jonas> fizzie: has the log collector stopped?
10:15:18 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88081&oldid=88065 * Gilbert189 * (+71) 
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10:21:58 <fizzie> Not as far as I know... at least your question appears at https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-09-16.html
10:24:11 <nakilon> I guess I have an idea how to make the RASEL golf server as secure as possible
10:24:24 <nakilon> i.e. there will be no way to fake your results or steal others' solutions
10:25:08 <nakilon> even if hacker would know some vulnerability in the web server
10:28:49 <nakilon> funny thing is that such security isn't implemented anywhere where people try to hire me on daily basis and I have to refuse because I have no clue in their website things
10:29:29 <fizzie> That does remind me, though, I have some metrics on the logs but not an alert (except for a black-box HTTP probe on the website, which I have a generic alert on), so I probably wouldn't notice it breaking until someone who logreads tells me.
10:30:11 <nakilon> b_jonas is your alert
10:31:21 <fizzie> There's a metric on the timestamp of the last message written to the logs, but that's a little hard to alert on, because it does sometimes get pretty quiet here for hours (https://zem.fi/tmp/esoirc.png). Maybe I could have one on just the IRC connection being up, though, and just assume the part where it writes the logs never breaks independently.
10:31:22 <nakilon> it's even smarter than an automated one -- it can ping you in IRC with random nicely made messages
10:32:03 <int-e> fungot can do that to... minus "nicely"
10:32:03 <fungot> int-e: i'm switching kb layouts every 5 minutes :-p besides, i don't think we will most probably be taken fnord of water. or hcl.
10:32:05 <wib_jonas> huh... interesting, now it shows everything recent
10:33:04 <wib_jonas> me too, fungot, for writing emails in Hungarian
10:33:04 <fungot> wib_jonas: who is dave winer?) that mike sperber is working on making xml pages for udage. i think you mean
10:33:20 <nakilon> bot with kb layout switching is cool
10:33:40 <fizzie> I just get badly formatted emails from the automation as it stands.
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10:39:19 <fizzie> Maybe I could make the 'esolangs' bot relay any alerts about the 'esolangs' bot not working to IRC.
10:41:42 <fizzie> More rationally, fungot could tell me about the esolangs bot being in trouble, while the esolangs bot could automatically let me know whenever fungot's missing for an extended period of time. But then I'd need to implement receiving Alertmanager webhooks in Befunge somehow.
10:41:43 <fungot> fizzie: invalid syntax 7(1) ( define ( foo a b) will expand to the original architecture, and especially in the soviet union. under his leadership, mass purges and repression resulted in the death of little fnord.
10:42:37 <nakilon> what is Alertmanager
10:42:58 <nakilon> lmao his last message
10:43:30 <fizzie> It's a.. component, or sibling, or sidekick, not sure what to call it, of the Prometheus monitoring thing.
10:44:44 <nakilon> btw "soviet" is another example of unneded Ь
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10:45:41 <fizzie> But the built-in integrations aren't all that useful to me; it does email (fair enough, that's what I use), generic webhooks (also reasonable), and then a bunch of systems (PagerDuty, Pushover, OpsGenie, Slack, VictorOps, WeChat) that I've mostly never even heard of (except Slack).
10:46:18 <fizzie> (Of course there's an external IRC relay, probably several.)
10:46:25 <nakilon> wechat isn't something familiar
10:46:32 <nakilon> *is
10:46:40 <fizzie> I think I've heard that name too, yeah.
10:48:46 <nakilon> Slack was a nice way to create "own server" with channels named like those where you are banned in other networks, but they started either removing features or moving them to paid plan do I've lost interest
10:48:59 <nakilon> *so
10:49:31 <nakilon> also some weird design decisions and now they broke the input field so I can't type `` and `````` it's all glitching
10:49:40 <fizzie> As for fungot doing it, that might be a little challenging... as far as I know, there's fundamentally no way to do a non-blocking read (or accept) on a socket using the SOCK fingerprint that wouldn't block the entire interpreter. Vorpal should've finished that ATHR (asynchronous, pre-emptable threads) fingerprint.
10:49:40 <fungot> fizzie: second time someone complains about unwrapped email.'
10:49:55 <nakilon> I mean you can start ``` and you can't stop it, there is no way out until you send the message
10:50:18 <nakilon> or something like that, I don't remember
10:51:02 <nakilon> fizzie funge-98 threads? )
10:51:18 <nakilon> or are they blocking too
10:52:15 <fizzie> They're synchronous, each IP advances only when the others do.
10:52:22 <fizzie> That's what ATHR was supposed to do differently.
10:53:44 <wib_jonas> fizzie: hmm. that sounds like you might have to implement the async stuff if you can modify the interpreter
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11:02:20 <wib_jonas> or put a wrapper around the befunge program that provides an API to do the async stuff through commands on a sync channel
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11:06:22 <nakilon> I would rather split fungot in half on one instance of befunge interpreter that does the sock thing and another one that consumes the ourput of non-befunge program that joins the first half with arbitrary other sync sources
11:06:23 <fungot> nakilon: this is quite a pain... maybe i'll rewrite it... what was it's name again....
11:06:42 <nakilon> *async
11:06:58 <nakilon> fungot are you gonna rewrite yourself?
11:06:58 <fungot> nakilon: we have... 3. is also 4 steps... what fun!!! eheheheheheeh
11:07:08 <nakilon> damn he already started I guess
11:10:18 <fizzie> I did have it connect through a generic IRC bouncer at one point earlier, but that somehow felt less "pure".
11:10:44 <fizzie> It's still through socat right now, though, for TLS + CertFP.
11:11:18 <fizzie> Which makes using a TCP socket over the standard input/output streams somewhat pointless.
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14:35:46 <Sgeo> `olist 1244
14:35:48 <HackEso> olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1244.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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16:31:29 <nakilon> thelounge concatenates URL with ':' and it's 404
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18:00:53 <esolangs> [[Cammy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88082&oldid=88078 * Corbin * (+29) /* Boolean algebra */ Document `pick` combinator.
18:02:42 <esolangs> [[Cammy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88083&oldid=88082 * Corbin * (+22) /* Floating Point */ Was missing the `f-lt` combinator.
18:38:32 <Sgeo> HexChat does that too :(
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21:18:23 <Sgeo> `sed
21:18:24 <HackEso> Usage: /bin/sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \  \   -n, --quiet, --silent \                  suppress automatic printing of pattern space \       --debug \                  annotate program execution \   -e script, --expression=script \                  add the script to the commands to be executed \   -f script-file, --file=script-file \                  add the contents of script-file to the commands to be executed \   --f
21:18:38 <Sgeo> `cat bin/olist
21:18:39 <HackEso> cat: bin/olist: No such file or directory
21:18:56 <Sgeo> Hmm I don't want to ping people unnecessaril
21:18:58 <Sgeo> `help
21:18:58 <HackEso> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch [<output-file>] <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $HACKENV are persistent, and $HACKENV/bin is in $PATH. $HACKENV is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/ to browse. $PWD ($HACKENV/tmp) is persistent but unversioned, /tmp is ephemeral.
21:19:37 <b_jonas> `? olist
21:19:38 <HackEso> olist is update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html
21:19:43 <b_jonas> and yes, cat that in private message
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21:22:57 <Sgeo> echo -n "olist${n:+ }$n: "
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21:23:39 <Sgeo> I don't understand that syntax, the ${n:+ }
21:30:41 <b_jonas> Sgeo: that expands to a space if n is defined, or nothing if n is not defined. normally it's non-empty because you're supposed to call olist with a number, but not everyone actually calls list commands with a number or url.
21:31:30 <b_jonas> plus this is standardized among lists, so much that I think there's a mklist or similar command to make a new *list command
21:34:08 <b_jonas> ``` head -n2 /hackenv/bin/smlist
21:34:09 <HackEso> echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ shachaf
21:34:10 <b_jonas> ``` head -n2 /hackenv/bin/olist
21:34:11 <HackEso> ​#!/bin/bash \ set -e; n=$*; [[ $n = +([0-9]) ]] && n=https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots$n.html;  echo -n "olist${n:+ }$n: "; tail -n+3 "$0" | xargs; exit
21:34:18 <velik> thread error
21:35:09 <b_jonas> ah yes, they're not exactly the same
21:35:19 <b_jonas> because I changed olist specifically
21:35:27 <b_jonas> but that part is present in the other lists
21:52:36 <fizzie> I guess those terminals are correct, and ':' *is* allowed to appear in a path segment unescaped. As usual, it's a little subtle, but in RFC3986 terms, ':' is in the "gen-delims" set, so it should (but only should) be percent-encoded "unless -- specifically allowed by the URI scheme to represent data in that component", but must be interpreted as itself if it has no delimiting role. A hierarchical
21:52:38 <fizzie> URI's path component, however, is explicitly allowed to contain a ':', except in the special case of the first segment of a relative-path reference. Or something along those lines.
21:57:20 <zzo38> MediaWiki URLs will often contain a colon (other than the one to delimit the scheme), and I have not had a problem with it when using prefix ./ to work
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23:14:31 <oerjan> `slbd olist//s,\$n:,<$n>:,
23:14:37 <HackEso> olist//#!/bin/bash \ set -e; n=$*; [[ $n = +([0-9]) ]] && n=https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots$n.html;  echo -n "olist${n:+ }<$n>: "; tail -n+3 "$0" | xargs; exit \ shachaf \ oerjan \ Sgeo \ FireFly \ boily \ nortti \ b_jonas
23:14:40 <oerjan> oops
23:14:44 <velik> thread error
23:14:50 <oerjan> oops
23:15:20 <oerjan> hm velik may not be bot-safe.
23:15:22 <Sgeo> What's slbd?
23:15:36 <oerjan> `? slbd
23:15:38 <HackEso> slbd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
23:15:41 <oerjan> `? sled
23:15:43 <HackEso> ​`sled <filename>//<sed script>
23:15:59 <oerjan> like sled, but in bin/
23:16:08 <oerjan> or ../bin/ nowadays
23:38:25 <fizzie> It also very importantly changes the sled error message, just like slwd.
23:38:31 <fizzie> `sled nosuchfile//
23:38:32 <HackEso> Rosebud!
23:38:34 <fizzie> `slwd nosuchfile//
23:38:35 <HackEso> Roswbud!
23:38:38 <fizzie> `slbd nosuchfile//
23:38:39 <HackEso> Rosbbud!
23:39:05 <fizzie> That sort of attention to detail is why HackEso command developers get paid the big bucks.
23:47:36 <oerjan> some say it's big bucks, others think it's just stagflation
23:48:35 <shachaf> Wait, I want a big buck.
23:49:11 <shachaf> `? shaventions
23:49:13 <HackEso> Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, {s,p}led/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1/4/5, edit. Taneb did not invent them yet.
23:50:25 <shachaf> burma-shaventions