< 1632183912 261734 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1632190859 997437 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :immutable objects don't make sense. 1) the compiled asts of similar objects are determined by accessors. which can be limited by constructors/classes. 2) classes of objects only make sense wihen objects can have different states. (sames accessors, different values) 3) the object is responsible to handle its integrity by hising its mechanics from outside world. secrecy principle. only methods can access them. (further integrity restrictions made < 1632190860 78346 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :through private, public, internal with nheritance. 4.) considerably good idea to keep the reference to object on heap immutable. < 1632190939 933556 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :for its lifetime. < 1632191295 490890 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have seen a lot of memes and kids all pretending emperors immutable clothes to be the shit. now lets say you have a aquarium. and like nature. maybe walks in the forests. with sapiens sapiens of theopposite sex? if so. you are likely not gay. .. do you have a awurium? < 1632191337 978064 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :aquarium < 1632191433 57175 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :what < 1632191454 239400 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course. i came to the wrong place. ais523: can u link to some short comprehesible text which explains that problems at least partly. < 1632191464 619291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: did earendel borrow your mushrooms < 1632191470 892098 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems like < 1632191481 654426 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i would have. < 1632191551 979287 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :if somebody can explain this, or change their mind its you. (and maybe me with the last part) < 1632193365 310158 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine if files had to have sex to copy? < 1632193394 153191 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually cloning probably does not need it < 1632193440 532681 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe that's how Skynet will start < 1632193460 21510 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it will figure out the way to have sex between files so they'll evolute faster than we would be able to delete them < 1632193528 776251 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe some computer viruses are already close to it < 1632194495 366117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :do any computer viruses evolve automatically? < 1632194605 34654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1632196257 296543 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Do you provide the fungus? The ergot? < 1632196257 460656 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: i guess i'm going to ask about < 1632196366 260588 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :there have definitely been artificial-life systems that include sexual reproduction < 1632196412 612691 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and genetic algorithms / genetic programming > 1632198369 886287 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LCCBED14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88161&oldid=88151 5* 03Iamn00b 5* (+7) 10 < 1632198410 358213 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's either useful and/or sexy. which is better than just useful. > 1632198431 942680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LCCBED14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88162&oldid=88161 5* 03Iamn00b 5* (+2) 10 < 1632198597 82115 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :mislead darwinists always want to break the sexy parts down to some advantage in terms of fitness. ending up hugging people to stimulate their immune system. < 1632198630 960108 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :please never do that. < 1632198741 299655 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i <3 mammals. < 1632199773 163531 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.103 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1632201156 610313 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: A cousin of yours? < 1632201156 690208 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: so i guess < 1632202247 479178 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I invented a structure of a hash algorithm that would have infinite internal state and infinite output length (if the output is truncated, then it can be implemented by finite memory and finite time). (It can probably be explained better by the diagram, I think) < 1632202450 322554 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1632202457 264928 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1632202518 266145 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1632202548 263310 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1632202593 117336 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is a similarity to Merkle-Damgard with wide pipe, but what is called "f" in the Wikipedia diagram is not used for hash output. Consider being like that but add also a infinite column of "g" functions below each "f" where the arrows point only right and down. Only half of each final "g" function (after adding the padding) is used as the output. < 1632202613 538495 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is also sequence numbers added. < 1632202645 191983 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe other improvements could also be made; do you know which one they are? < 1632203049 679911 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My own idea of construction also has the similarity of sponge construction that each state has the Bitrate and Capacity, although unlike a sponge construction, the states are now infinite and the squeezing is now "vertical" instead of "horizontal" < 1632203167 333318 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is also HAIFA construction; I don't know how it is working but have started to read the report so that I can learn > 1632205738 531475 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Bigbean 5* 10New user account < 1632206436 269330 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1632209170 661105 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1632209350 909054 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1632209371 265895 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1632210709 850736 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1632211555 627374 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1632211737 633198 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1632212313 978502 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox > 1632213032 308257 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EPL Main14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88163&oldid=88160 5* 03Timofeyka 5* (+470) 10 > 1632213319 936411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EPL Main14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88164&oldid=88163 5* 03Timofeyka 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, world Program for Window */ > 1632213472 106480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EPL Main14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88165&oldid=88164 5* 03Aboba228 5* (+0) 10 > 1632213672 770103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EPL Main14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88166&oldid=88165 5* 03Aboba228 5* (+7) 10 > 1632213738 607362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EPL Main14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88167&oldid=88166 5* 03Timofeyka 5* (-7) 10 > 1632213772 412013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EPL Main14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88168&oldid=88167 5* 03Aboba228 5* (+7) 10 > 1632214574 926690 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EPL Main14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88169&oldid=88168 5* 03Timofeyka 5* (-7) 10Undo revision 88168 by [[Special:Contributions/Aboba228|Aboba228]] ([[User talk:Aboba228|talk]]) < 1632215504 80031 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh. < 1632216002 834078 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.103 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1632216049 508649 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone emailed me about an edit war going on at https://esolangs.org/wiki/EPL_Main (which seems primarily based around which Discord server to link to, but also partly around claims about what the language is useful for) < 1632216066 90409 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm going to bed soon and don't think I can sort this out on my own anyway < 1632216083 432757 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I'm going to mention it here in the hope that someone can think of a good resolution while I'm asleep < 1632216347 378911 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1632216410 235842 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1632217486 283823 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's what my "huh" was about, but I don't have any thoughts about a good resolution. The "official website" doesn't seem to actually describe the language (or link to anywhere else than the Discord) so it's hard to say how fair a criticism "it's just some macros" is, but I don't know how much that'd matter anyway, we haven't usually required any specific level of quality. < 1632219316 168339 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.40.29.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1632219934 948916 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1632222515 171427 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.40.29.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1632223061 249012 :Everything!~Everythin@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Everything < 1632223091 461399 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1632223496 527164 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: are you a publicly traded company? < 1632223496 745763 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: but that sort of know how to get rotty's scheme48 ( the one that has java support?' < 1632224209 52539 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hardly imagine how do people do edit war on a language that one of them made up < 1632224287 290586 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :funny that I've actually noticed them yesterday -- two presumably russians registered within an hour < 1632224390 594937 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1632224854 315654 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1632225120 445525 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1632225352 849523 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1632225931 759618 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( s/Discord[- ]server/Discord guild/g ) > 1632226209 118190 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Iamn00b 5* 10moved [[02Staxel10]] to [[User talk:Staxel]]: no idea > 1632226223 742084 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Staxel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88172&oldid=88170 5* 03Iamn00b 5* (-165) 10Replaced content with "NO" > 1632226377 565284 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10moved [[02User talk:Staxel10]] to [[Staxel]] over redirect: blanked by author in an apparent attempt to delete it, but moved to user talk of a nonexistent user first for some reason; moving it back so that it'll be deleted under the correct name > 1632226377 577447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete_redir10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10Ais523 deleted redirect [[02Staxel10]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[User talk:Staxel]]" > 1632226402 91798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Staxel10]]": Author request: blanked by author, no contribution from others < 1632226624 732457 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :06:21:35 do any computer viruses evolve automatically? < 1632226651 67606 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are for sure viruses that edit themselves to hide from antiviruses; the question is how far can those edits go < 1632226670 60356 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :recently rewatched a very good movie Automata, btw < 1632226687 216778 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for some reason it's 30% on rotten tomatoes < 1632226725 213837 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and at the same time people are liking such awful crap like Luna or Ex Machina < 1632226742 296847 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*"Moon" I mean, I guess < 1632226785 411992 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1632226828 698401 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, that Automata movie starts with telling that the chosen robot hardcoded directives were "do not harm humans" and "do not edit yourself" < 1632226858 178643 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then the second one seemed to fail < 1632227463 228064 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.103 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1632227494 707493 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… < 1632233569 102342 :voidio!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? < 1632233602 423688 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1632233657 369689 :voidio!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid < 1632233686 400443 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1632233710 647274 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1632234286 273662 :tech_exorcist_!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1632234370 876657 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1632235072 324359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1632236479 170118 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1632237727 456998 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1632237810 802811 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1632240567 978561 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, is Bulbasaur the most popular pokémon?\ < 1632240568 155425 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: can you create one using " assignation", whatever that means. < 1632241405 799453 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-17-76-68-65-112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1632242206 771365 :yewscion!~yewscion@2604:ca00:149:479::60:4768 JOIN #esolangs yewscion :Christopher Rodriguez > 1632242381 933239 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88174 5* 03Rphii 5* (+4464) 10created [0,1] > 1632242508 495784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88175&oldid=88157 5* 03Rphii 5* (+35) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ add [0,1] > 1632243685 127344 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88176&oldid=88174 5* 03Rphii 5* (+120) 10add " and ' because I totally forgot to add them < 1632244106 548018 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: No, I think you create new Pokémen by breeding, not by assignation. < 1632244106 715476 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: next thing you know, to learn about this technique? < 1632244127 139710 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: I think there's material on the Internet about it. < 1632244127 385371 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: nonetheless, we can look over the wiki submitted entries, so it was after ( x ( y 5) < 1632244399 916492 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot what videos do you watch? < 1632244400 275219 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: ok, never mind. i'm not a mit student who figured out how. so does everyone on the committee. that's life in the absence of mutation everything's sugar :) < 1632244430 951735 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, he has continued the topic of life and mutation > 1632244477 623162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88177&oldid=88176 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Limits */ < 1632244507 54581 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Okay, well, don't look up Pokémon breeding videos on the Internet, okay? < 1632244507 394084 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: grr. my typing skills are fail today,' i mean ' letrec whose right-hand sides are lambdas, then the chapters of htdp as listed where? when? < 1632244524 241636 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: You're a piece of software, you don't even type. < 1632244524 566649 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: i have, but ' might happen relatively soon', after all the libertarians move there. it knows paint but not corner-split < 1632244532 825139 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I forget where the discussion ended last time, so: Is Brainfuck concatenative? < 1632244562 449161 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or maybe this should be a #concatenative discussion... < 1632244585 533970 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :no its not < 1632244678 13952 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Don't we compose programs by concatenating their text? < 1632245057 878711 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: Perhaps this might highlight for you the category BF, whose arrows are endomorphisms on a Brainfuck machine; the elements of the machine are the tape states. There's six primitive arrows and an endofunctor which sends arrows to loops. < 1632245081 654466 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then, using Von Thun's definition of concatenative language, there's a homomorphism from Brainfuck texts to BF. < 1632245129 532925 :ccx_!~ccx@82.142.125.46 JOIN #esolangs ccx :ccx < 1632245134 178386 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(This is part of the larger programme of finding nice ways to arrange languages as endomorphisms on machines, akin to The Waterfall Model.) < 1632245242 424293 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you said there's 6 primitive arrows < 1632245247 848914 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but isn't that 6 coming out of every object < 1632245252 289808 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's really infinity * 6 < 1632245276 749033 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :or im understanding the category wrong? < 1632245486 474524 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: The category only has the one object, from the typical POV. We could zoom in a little if we imagine that a machine's number of cells is flexible. Maybe you'd let me make it a dependently-typed list; for all nats N, there's a fixed number of cells N and a pointer (0, N) to the current celll. < 1632245550 734012 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, just one object, ok! < 1632245591 597567 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is Von Thun's definition? > 1632245641 568896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88178&oldid=88177 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ in retrospect it makes more sense like that (at least for me) > 1632245698 989231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88179&oldid=88178 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Limits */ < 1632245804 898792 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I summarized it at [[concatenative language]]. It's when the homomorphism from syntax to semantics sends juxtaposition/concatenation to composition. < 1632245807 210891 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Concatenative_language > 1632245911 408634 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88180&oldid=88179 5* 03Rphii 5* (+75) 10/* Illegal operations */ clarify a detail < 1632246097 494001 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how does [ and ] work in terms of machine state? > 1632246102 472533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88181&oldid=88180 5* 03Rphii 5* (-14) 10fix some details < 1632246110 371019 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :the machine state is more than just the tape? > 1632246132 364700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Concatenative language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88182&oldid=87539 5* 03Corbin 5* (+340) 10/* Classical theory */ Wait a minute, *I* know Forth! *I* could include an example! < 1632246220 221027 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: Since programs are usually defined s.t. [ and ] have to match in pairs, we can promise the homomorphism that they will always form a nice little tree. And then the homomorphism sends the body of each [] pair to what I'm calling a "loop" arrow, since it takes an endomorphism and returns the endomorphism which loops the machine until/if it reaches a certain state. < 1632246283 735607 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn;'t the loop arrow taking a function as input, unlike the arrows for + - < > then? < 1632246287 617360 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The classic program [-] clears the current cell. We might send - to `pred` and [-] to `loop(pred)`. < 1632246308 670599 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. [ + + ] becomes loop (plus o plus) < 1632246321 154797 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1632246323 208857 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. Sorry for not being precise. It's an endofunctor. < 1632246569 192808 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It says "Since Forth relatives tend to be untyped, as in wikipedia:Open Firmware or PostScript" although PostScript does have types. > 1632247000 32643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88183&oldid=88181 5* 03Rphii 5* (+35) 10/* Illegal operations */ make warning more clear < 1632247050 566962 :tech_exorcist_!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: see you tomorrow < 1632247057 699256 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I freely admit that I suck at PostScript. Is there anything simple I can do to salvage the sentence, or does the paragraph need a rewrite? < 1632247076 814079 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't want to ignore the history, I just wasn't there for most of it. < 1632247184 148526 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know. < 1632247246 804160 :op_4!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :tslil < 1632247326 709292 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :history < 1632247334 879635 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine hard drive to be a surface of a planet < 1632247365 808455 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and programs analysing the unused sectors are digging the signs of previous civilisation of installed software and data < 1632247420 574170 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :civilisations migrate between disks like between planets < 1632247462 235761 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :humanity gotta find another hard drive before this one is dead > 1632247504 792224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88184&oldid=88183 5* 03Rphii 5* (+189) 10 < 1632247545 261810 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I just made up another apocalyptic plot for a book that I write in some alternative reality where I'm a writer > 1632247732 310224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88185&oldid=88184 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Initialization */ < 1632247745 266338 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1632247862 113053 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88186&oldid=88185 5* 03Rphii 5* (-16) 10/* Overflowing */ > 1632247939 826830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88187&oldid=88186 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ plus and minus do make more sense.... < 1632248198 932460 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can answer questions about PostScript if you have a specific question, but I do not know what to write in that article. > 1632248257 85139 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88188&oldid=88187 5* 03Rphii 5* (-66) 10/* Commands */ > 1632248281 218577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88189&oldid=88188 5* 03Rphii 5* (+24) 10/* Overflowing */ clarification > 1632248615 676782 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88190&oldid=88189 5* 03Rphii 5* (+68) 10/* Illegal operations */ make warning even more clear > 1632248746 99610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rphii14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88191&oldid=86192 5* 03Rphii 5* (+54) 10/* My Languages */ < 1632248847 241514 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.233.156 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1632249000 445822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88192&oldid=88190 5* 03Rphii 5* (+24) 10/* Commands */ > 1632249084 176279 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Concatenative language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88193&oldid=88182 5* 03Corbin 5* (-201) 10/* Classical theory */ Strike incorrect sentence. < 1632249100 662607 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I've just removed it. Thanks for pointing it out! < 1632249585 495725 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1632249661 275282 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1632249818 310623 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1632250214 347487 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1632250230 657702 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1632250337 825366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88194&oldid=88192 5* 03Rphii 5* (-1134) 10now it is perfect > 1632250587 581944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88195&oldid=88194 5* 03Rphii 5* (+1134) 10Undo revision 88194 by [[Special:Contributions/Rphii|Rphii]] ([[User talk:Rphii|talk]]) it was so perfect it would have been useless < 1632250677 474505 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :21:52 "now it is perfect" < 1632250688 895771 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :21:56 Undo revision... < 1632250811 417115 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :who made the colors for esolangs bot? I like them < 1632250813 994168 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim NICK :Trieste < 1632250830 12476 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't understand if it's because I'm used to seeing them or because they are really good < 1632251112 4162 :yewscion!~yewscion@2604:ca00:149:479::60:4768 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1632252487 907852 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're actually the MediaWiki defaults, from https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/includes/rcfeed/IRCColourfulRCFeedFormatter.php < 1632252503 476188 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not even customizable. > 1632253241 757119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nabd14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88196 5* 03BlueOkiris 5* (+3524) 10Created page with "== Description == A simple, functional esoteric programming language The name is an acronym standing for "Not A Brainf**k Derivative." [https://github.com/blueOkiris/nabd C..." < 1632253973 264716 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1632254672 728527 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-17-76-68-65-112.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1632255587 974799 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1632255914 449576 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1632257675 981411 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1632257731 194617 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1632258410 270050 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1632258467 185236 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1632258486 726408 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1632258562 965771 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1632259141 845246 :Everything!~Everythin@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1632259677 480676 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A returns a14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88197&oldid=84360 5* 03Jetison333 5* (+659) 10Added interpreter and cleaned up a few bugs in listed programs > 1632259899 413192 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88198&oldid=84711 5* 03Stasoid 5* (+0) 10/* Language overview */ < 1632260131 372214 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.reddit.com/r/adventofcode/comments/pskz43/create_a_private_leaderboard_before_the_next_aoc/ < 1632260146 975822 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is this thing? do we have it for #esolangs ? < 1632260505 956684 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1632260542 760246 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf JOIN #esolangs shachaf :Shachaf Ben-Kiki < 1632260705 729476 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1632260892 903480 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't remember if we made one. We definitely talked about it though. < 1632261047 879882 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thing my thinking was, the global leaderboard is okay in terms of not causing any undue pressure, because I can never get on it anyway, because the puzzle publication time is kind of maximally pessimal and I'm never awake when it happens (I think it's 5am here). But if we had a private leaderboard for a group this small, it'd be different, and then I'd feel like I have to try to compete, and < 1632261049 364020 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's annoying. < 1632261077 551707 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I might've still joined if someone did set it up. But maybe the people who mostly talked about it had other channels' leaderboards already. < 1632261145 407332 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was accidentally awake at 5am for one of the puzzles, and actually did get on the global leaderboard, but I didn't like the time pressure aspect of it. I like the puzzles more as a way of relaxing. < 1632261297 166774 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The way it works, AIUI, is that any one user can create a single private leaderboard for any purpose. < 1632261520 83908 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1632262901 232320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1632264978 192330 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel JOIN #esolangs earendel :AmoreFS < 1632267440 943961 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, trying to do inventory of things, found an 8 MB CompactFlash card. < 1632267463 205166 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :With my current camera, you could fit between 0 and 1 photos on it. Except it uses SD cards rather than CF cards. < 1632267643 889770 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"not causing any undue pressure, because I can never get on it anyway" -- hehe, same < 1632267721 57050 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried like 2-3 times < 1632267743 396065 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :solve it in 10 minutes and all the top is sub 5, solve it in 5 min and top is sub 2... < 1632267767 662678 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I won't even finish reading the task in 2 minutes < 1632267900 280250 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm #10 (for two stars, #50 for one) of https://adventofcode.com/2019/leaderboard/day/10 but it was really stressful, kind of a "type in Python like a rabid monkey" style. I think that's the totality of my points for all of AoC.