00:10:06 fizzie, what kind of internet is it? fiber/cable/dsl? 00:11:27 It's a "fiber somewhere in the huge apartment building complex, gigabit Ethernet from there" thing by Hyperoptic, a UK ISP that specializes particularly to multi-subscriber apartment blocks in big(gish) UK cities. 00:12:49 ah. ok. I lived in a rough equivalent of one of those a few years ago and it sucked. couldn't get any inbound ports open or anything 00:14:13 Hyperoptic's generally pretty reasonable. No traffic shaping (other than to whatever rate I'm paying for), no mandatory firewalls, a single fixed IPv4 address and a /56 fixed block of IPv6 addresses. 00:14:32 yeah, that's pretty good 00:14:46 And in terms of technical support, they're a little better than the big players. But not quite as good as the real "enthusiast" ISPs. 00:18:43 what are you doing for taps/packet captures? I've used 10/100 star taps a fair amount in the past and they've worked pretty well. a full gigabit tap is somewhat harder since the specs are a lot more stringent 00:23:23 I just interpose a Linux system with >= 2 Ethernet interfaces between the wall socket and the WAN outlet of their "Hyperhub", configure it to act as the plainest layer-2 bridge it knows to be, and run tcpdump on the bridge interface. It's very much not a "tap", but in practice nothing seems to mind it being there. 00:27:39 yeah, that'll work fine. as long as the linux box isn't trying to run a dhcp client on those interfaces 01:01:02 [[Talk:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91956&oldid=91948 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+353) /* Shouldn't level 5 be TC? */ Reply 01:03:04 [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91957&oldid=89953 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+39) /* Level 5 */ It is Turing complete 01:08:37 Heh. I spent half an hour composing a _very_ detailed support ticket, and just as I had finished copying and trimming and prettifying all the packet capture logs, it started to work again. 01:08:59 I'm going to assume it's just that their DHCPv6 server was AWOL. 01:10:25 -!- fungot has joined. 01:10:36 fungot: Are you happy to be back online? 01:10:37 fizzie: do you have some code, but add isn't exported through the structure definition, and it's unbounded." 04:04:17 -!- kit_ten has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:06:00 -!- kit_ten has joined. 05:26:20 http://catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html#id3141171 06:00:45 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91958&oldid=91925 * Photon Niko * (+364) /* Introductions */ 06:04:43 [[User:Photon Niko]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91959 * Photon Niko * (+297) Created page with "Hi, I love esolangs, especially the graphical ones. I got a [https://github.com/photon-niko github] thingy. 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09:25:39 b_jonas: well yeah, imo the most painful part 09:25:45 their bite? ok 09:26:01 how about an alligator and a crocodile? 09:26:05 fungot: how about an alligator and a crocodile? 09:26:06 b_jonas: i could easily get it hosted at iro.umontreal.ca, like the fact that we can read restaurant) should provide all low-level stuff, and retired a few old ones of my own? 09:28:34 the difference is that the university of montreal will host alligators, obviously, but for some reason they Do Not Like crocodiles due to some problems in their engineering department 10:04:15 -!- RemoteHost has changed nick to A_Dragon. 10:11:24 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:36:56 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 10:37:01 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 10:38:16 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 10:42:08 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 10:47:44 -!- __monty__ has joined. 11:01:34 fungot: spider spooder spoder spuder spader 11:01:35 riv: this is because the average python programmer is trying to shift the conversation and commence commenting on the actions deterministic 11:23:06 yes, fungot, I also blame the programmers for everything that's bad in the world. programming got too accessible, so now every idiot is writing programs. 11:23:07 wib_jonas: c++ might be better. :-p so, i usually use fnord 11:23:28 fungot: nah, C++ is also too accessible. 11:23:28 wib_jonas: since arcus came on, there even was a " universal binary" 11:30:57 -!- BarryNL has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:31:53 -!- BarryNL has joined. 11:45:39 -!- BarryNL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:46:51 -!- BarryNL has joined. 12:19:07 -!- kit-ten has joined. 12:22:37 -!- kit_ten has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:28:05 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 12:53:32 -!- tech_exorcist_ has joined. 12:54:52 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 13:05:49 -!- BarryNL has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:06:06 [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91979&oldid=91976 * Peter * (+0) 13:06:07 -!- BarryNL has joined. 13:07:29 [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91980&oldid=91979 * Peter * (+5) /* Language Overview */ 13:10:05 [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91981&oldid=91980 * Peter * (+35) /* Instructions */ 13:11:14 [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91982&oldid=91981 * Peter * (+13) /* Instructions */ 13:14:31 [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91983&oldid=91982 * Peter * (+48) /* Instructions */ 13:18:12 -!- Everything has joined. 13:37:00 -!- tech_exorcist_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:39:00 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 13:40:46 -!- eli_oat has joined. 13:53:54 [[`LML]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91984&oldid=75644 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+110) Amended some orthographic mistakes and improved the formatting of commands and code examples. 13:54:54 [[`LML]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91985&oldid=91984 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+160) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the `LML programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented. 13:55:21 -!- BarryNL has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 13:55:32 -!- BarryNL has joined. 14:00:41 -!- BarryNL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:10:57 -!- BarryNL has joined. 14:12:01 [[Circular redirecting test 1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91986 * Peter * (+41) Redirected page to [[Circular redirecting test 2]] 14:12:17 [[Circular redirecting test 2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91987 * Peter * (+41) Redirected page to [[Circular redirecting test 1]] 14:12:45 [[Circular redirecting test 2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91988&oldid=91987 * Peter * (-41) Blanked the page 14:13:02 [[Circular redirecting test 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91989&oldid=91986 * Peter * (-41) Blanked the page 14:15:45 -!- BarryNL has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:16:31 -!- BarryNL has joined. 14:18:09 [[User:Peter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91990&oldid=91874 * Peter * (+4) 14:22:41 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Rather consistent in that comparison. Is there an actual calculation that suggests that that's roughly the size that would allow it to act like a modern CPU, or is it just a "very big thing" their marketing team decided was the best way to emphasize how large it would need to be to act like an electronic 16:44:33 computer? 17:14:33 -!- eli_oat has quit (Quit: eli_oat). 17:21:26 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Quit: Client closed). 17:28:34 -!- razetime has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:45:26 -!- eli_oat has joined. 18:12:54 -!- dyeplexer has joined. 18:14:05 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 18:15:25 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:45:01 -!- dyeplexer has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:48:14 -!- tromp has joined. 18:49:21 Yeah, the wiki language is english. <-- i think we have that one calesyta language in spanish 18:55:18 Hmm. That seems a bad precedent to me, point being that we need to be able to keep an eye on the wiki contents 19:03:18 [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Circular redirecting test 1]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "#REDIRECT [[Circular redirecting test 2]]" 19:03:29 [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Circular redirecting test 2]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "#REDIRECT [[Circular redirecting test 1]]" 19:05:07 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91996&oldid=91539 * A casual user * (+3093) 19:14:40 [[User talk:SunnyMoon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91997&oldid=91814 * Oerjan * (+2885) Fix unexplained removal 19:28:26 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qalb_(programming_language) is worth knowing about, if we're going to talk about natlangs on the wiki. 19:29:07 I think that if a language is notable enough to be talked about in multiple natlangs, like Qalb, then it probably should be on WP, which already has multiple native-natlang communities. 19:30:54 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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