> 1642551747 348318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SolboScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92238&oldid=92222 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+11) 10Completed the syntax of the BWEEE command which lacked the usual (variable) portion. > 1642553205 513044 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Brainfuck equivalents14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92239&oldid=89555 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10facilites -> facilities < 1642553859 549866 :kitbot!~kitbot@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-0204-5aff-fe53-846c.res6.spectrum.com JOIN #esolangs * :kitbot < 1642554523 296839 :kitbot!~kitbot@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-0204-5aff-fe53-846c.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1642554541 553057 :kitbot!~kitbot@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-0204-5aff-fe53-846c.res6.spectrum.com JOIN #esolangs * :kitbot < 1642554637 149501 :kitbot!~kitbot@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-0204-5aff-fe53-846c.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1642554672 591809 :kitbot2!~kitbot2@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-0204-5aff-fe53-846c.res6.spectrum.com JOIN #esolangs * :kitbot2 < 1642554673 606814 :kitbot!~kitbot@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-0204-5aff-fe53-846c.res6.spectrum.com JOIN #esolangs * :kitbot < 1642554709 428382 :kitbot2!~kitbot2@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-0204-5aff-fe53-846c.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1642555290 329919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Yoctostack14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92240 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+721) 10/* Branching */ new section > 1642555292 405030 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:TinyBF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92241&oldid=92237 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+431) 10/* Category Brainfuck_equivalents */ reply < 1642555356 535088 :salpynx!~salpynx@121-75-16-198.dyn.vf.net.nz QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1642555385 314689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TinyBF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92242&oldid=92193 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10equivalent > 1642555417 289082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PocketBF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92243&oldid=92220 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10yes it is > 1642555463 383120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07InstructionPointerBF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92244&oldid=92219 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10it is < 1642556470 753192 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-f44f-d859-cfd9-2a3c.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol psdw is on a roll < 1642557084 111302 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-f44f-d859-cfd9-2a3c.res6.spectrum.com NICK :ca-t < 1642557212 142178 :ca-t!~u0_a391@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-f44f-d859-cfd9-2a3c.res6.spectrum.com NICK :kit-ten > 1642560602 729705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:DigitalDetective47/WIP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92245&oldid=91912 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (-76) 10 > 1642560635 358755 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:DigitalDetective4714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92246&oldid=91904 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (-81) 10Removed link to current project as it has been moved to its final location. > 1642561131 583122 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cratefuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92247 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+6741) 10Created page with ":''This article is currently incomplete, and will be moved to '''Cratefuck''' upon completion.'' '''Cratefuck''' is an esoteric programming language created by User:DigitalD..." > 1642561157 74397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cratefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92248&oldid=92247 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (-97) 10Removed erroneous article incomplete message. > 1642561206 282323 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cratefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92249&oldid=92248 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+0) 10/* Program structure */ Adjusted the formatting of the word rooms > 1642562201 829999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92250&oldid=91828 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+1578) 10Add Cratefuck > 1642562472 301161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92251&oldid=92201 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+16) 10/* C */ Add Cratefuck > 1642562941 324655 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:DigitalDetective4714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92252&oldid=92246 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+337) 10Add Cratefuck < 1642565024 60959 :razetime!~quassel@49.207.203.87 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1642570691 87769 :llk!~quassel@host.164-138-89-71.broadband.redcom.ru JOIN #esolangs * :llk < 1642572074 835206 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :is the join calculus turing complete? < 1642572097 475052 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :do we have like, a proof for that. < 1642572193 673415 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Join-calculus "espite this limitation, the join-calculus is as expressive as the full π-calculus." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-calculus#Turing_completeness < 1642572680 305864 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if there's a higher order version of this, where the reaction rules themselves are molecules. < 1642572682 402745 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm. < 1642573025 48858 :llk!~quassel@host.164-138-89-71.broadband.redcom.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1642574000 94078 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1642578930 765073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1642579788 699678 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1642580376 761048 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Photon Niko14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92253 5* 03Photon Niko 5* (+52) 10talk < 1642583010 89802 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1642583030 477655 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-122.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a question that maybe you #esolangs have already met and know the answer off-hand. < 1642583110 314688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-122.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Suppose you get as inputs two rational numbers given as numerator and denominator pairs. You want to compute their bitwise and, as if you wrote them as binary fractions and took bitwise and of the corresponding digits with same weights, then express the answer as a reduced fraction with shortest numerator and denominator. < 1642583154 3544 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-122.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :How long can the numerator and denominator of the result be? I know it's at most exponentially longer than the input numerators and denominators, but do we know if it can actually be that long? Or is there a smaller bound for some reason? < 1642583790 186215 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1642585199 204667 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1642585487 14035 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :please use variables to clarify your problem. are you asking about (a and c) /(b and d) from two fractions a/b and c/d ? < 1642585547 278376 :monoxane6!~monoxane@user/monoxane JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1642585555 964072 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's no increase in number's size there < 1642585649 88256 :monoxane!~monoxane@user/monoxane QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1642585649 365868 :monoxane6!~monoxane@user/monoxane NICK :monoxane < 1642585834 81432 :sprout_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:5d8f:20db:5ddd:bcf4 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1642585892 368007 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:798d:4129:9f07:fe5b QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642588121 44180 :razetime!~quassel@49.207.203.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1642588134 118095 :razetime!~quassel@49.207.203.87 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1642588941 157568 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1642588982 381175 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642589018 704753 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1642589473 438399 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought the question was clear enough. Given a/b and c/d, write both a/b and c/d as binary fractions (101010.00110011...), do a bitwise and of all corresponding bits, and represent the result as x/y. < 1642589491 468592 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1642589502 468522 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :tromp: no < 1642589507 706654 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I should give examples < 1642589552 555744 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1642589746 103065 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1642590018 285970 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes more sense, @fizzie < 1642590413 598339 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :the effect should be the same as adding fractions; numbers at most double in size (#digits) < 1642590462 324046 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :if one fraction repeats every x bits, and the other every y bits, then their and (xor, or) repeats every x*y bits < 1642590742 228079 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should try to implement it and experiment with fractions that have a long period < 1642590816 722600 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :tromp: the problem is that if the denominator is q, then in some bad cases the fraction can be O(q) digits long, or more precisely phi(q) where phi is the Euler phi function. that's where the exponential comes in < 1642590905 399111 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular, in decimal the repeating part of 1/7 has 6 digits, and the repeating part of 1/19 has 18 digits < 1642590931 751394 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :these are decimal, and we need binary instead, so 1/7 or 1/19 needn't be the worst cases, but the general idea is the same < 1642590937 348971 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's where the exponential comes in < 1642591047 748654 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, but if the denominator *values* are n and m (so lengths log n and log m), the maximum periods are n-1 and m-1 respectively; after the and operation, the result has a period of at most n*m, so the denominator value is also at most n*m; and its length is therefore log n*m = log n + log m, or the sum of the lengths of the inputs. < 1642591074 36257 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or something along those very handwavy lines. < 1642591215 56454 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :OEIS says http://oeis.org/A006883 for decimal, < 1642591249 726739 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which points to http://oeis.org/A001122 < 1642591294 858417 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :those aren't necessarily the only cases to care about here, but they're probably where I should start experimenting < 1642591589 409977 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the idea is that in a/b,c/d, the cycle lengths are O(b) and O(d), while in and(a/b,d/d), the cycle length of O(bd) is sublinear (maybe even logarithmic) in the new denominator < 1642593462 609047 :kit_ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c JOIN #esolangs * :u0_a391 < 1642593692 378030 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-f44f-d859-cfd9-2a3c.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642593969 964625 :kit_ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c NICK :kit-ten < 1642594821 304534 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c PRIVMSG #esolangs :i want to make an esolang based on sounds but i have no idea where to start < 1642594851 11845 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk if i want it to be about pitches or amplitude or both < 1642595120 919690 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd think about what being based on sounds lets you do that more conventional languages wouldn't be able to < 1642595155 129295 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c PRIVMSG #esolangs :MULTITHREADDEDNESS < 1642595165 970867 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c PRIVMSG #esolangs :by having band pass filters < 1642595177 528368 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c PRIVMSG #esolangs :to filter out the threads < 1642595187 274725 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c PRIVMSG #esolangs :and commands would be amplitude < 1642595234 141293 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him - IT, EN < 1642596137 400093 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:fc7a:a493:8e66:bb8a JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1642596161 356212 :dnm_!sid401311@id-401311.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs dnm :dnm < 1642596167 915835 :lagash_!lagash@lagash.shelltalk.net JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1642596180 138075 :perlbot_!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1642596218 139621 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1642596307 404331 :jix__!~jix@user/jix JOIN #esolangs jix :Jannis Harder < 1642596316 96998 :warlock_!~warlock@kryogeniks.dev JOIN #esolangs * :warlock < 1642596333 646077 :laerling_!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs laerling :Unknown < 1642596363 86460 :kit_ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c JOIN #esolangs * :u0_a391 < 1642596365 908510 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596366 163570 :jix_!~jix@user/jix QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596366 205778 :lagash!lagash@lagash.shelltalk.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596366 247957 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596366 248006 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-060.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596366 381024 :dnm!sid401311@id-401311.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596366 519449 :warlock!~warlock@kryogeniks.dev QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596366 561393 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596366 642748 :kitbot!~kitbot@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-0204-5aff-fe53-846c.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596366 729782 :Oshawott!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:3863:cfe8:507d:8d05 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596367 118512 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596367 175551 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642596373 188448 :perlbot_!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot NICK :perlbot < 1642596373 803770 :dnm_!sid401311@id-401311.lymington.irccloud.com NICK :dnm < 1642596385 760515 :kit_ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c NICK :kit-ten < 1642596396 98063 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs HackEso :HackEso < 1642596597 126614 :warlock_!~warlock@kryogeniks.dev QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1642596631 460056 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1642596662 101857 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1642596691 352451 :warlock!~warlock@kryogeniks.dev JOIN #esolangs * :warlock < 1642597029 853110 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-060.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar < 1642597094 163477 :kit_ten!~u0_a391@64.85.173.130 JOIN #esolangs * :u0_a391 < 1642597297 48479 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:589f:965d:28e0:cc4c QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1642597304 794592 :kit_ten!~u0_a391@64.85.173.130 NICK :kit-ten < 1642599878 535020 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1642600429 662894 :eli_oat!~eli_oat@217.114.38.105 JOIN #esolangs eli_oat :eli_oat < 1642601660 137726 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I calculate correctly, 1/29 & 2/29 = 318/158369, with the above mentioned bitwise or on rationals < 1642601932 113379 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact you can get a bit better, 1/29 & 4/29 = 275720/268435455 < 1642601945 827934 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that bitwise or basically gives you a random number <= the two numbers < 1642601971 211297 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, not <=, >= , but < the next power of 2 < 1642602005 917084 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I would not really expect any pattern or bound beyond the bound you would get from analyzing a random version < 1642602369 814032 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: it's not a random version. I deliberately chose a bad divisor. in particular, 1/43 & 2/43 = 40/5461, and that's the worst you can get with 43 as the divisor. so not all divisors are that bad. < 1642602492 468914 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :similarly bitwise anding two numbers with divisor 89, you only get four decimal digit divisors. but 1/83 & 2/83 = 1428779509760/182518930210733 is fifteen digits. < 1642602518 890741 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but all this is preliminary, I'll have to check those calculations properly later < 1642602722 3124 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :1/29 & 4/29 = 488/475107 < 1642602777 739491 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :er yes indeed < 1642602783 860413 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs : pasted that wrong < 1642602794 557084 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I pasted the non-simplified form > 1642603283 983246 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XAH14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92254&oldid=85940 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+24) 10cat < 1642603666 472324 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and 1/121 & 2/121 = 1670295609603574/4359484439294640007 a long result with non-prime divisor < 1642603919 824311 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://oeis.org/A139099 may be relevant on a pure numeric basis > 1642603970 855682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Fgsilver 5* 10New user account < 1642603974 636927 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or http://oeis.org/A179383 , who knows < 1642604571 503741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1642604744 424995 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the original idea was to consider an esoteric language that has rational number arithmetic built in, so I was wondering what operations it would need to have. obviously it would have rational constants, add/subtract, multiply/divide, lessthan/lessequal/equal/notequal, min/max, then I thought you should throw in gcd/lcm (so you can easily extract < 1642604744 925006 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the denominator of x like x/gcd(1,x)). then I thought it should have bitwise operations too like a normal language that has integer arithmetic built in, and wondered about the consequences of that. < 1642604776 18273 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, there's fractran! < 1642604788 668 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so i think your idea could work great < 1642604865 841371 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it would need floor/ceil or some kind of integer division and modulo < 1642604878 175456 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(any of the lots of variants with different rounding) < 1642604915 411186 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wasn't thinking of fractran, this was for an idea different from that, and it probably doesn't even need rational numbers, but my thoughts led to a weird place > 1642604944 617903 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:DigitalDetective4714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92255&oldid=92252 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+154) 10/* Languages */ Changed sort values of personal rating category < 1642604946 988109 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but apparently there's a good reason why you don't include bitwise operations when computing with rational numbers, because the resutls can be too long < 1642605111 57086 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so suddenly it got esoteric in a very different way than I started from < 1642605428 952063 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though of course you could just add bitwise operations that only take the integer parts of the input < 1642605877 773133 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1642606332 160135 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1642606988 776654 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1642607472 596893 :kit_ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:ef64:8e84:c22b:29b8 JOIN #esolangs * :u0_a391 < 1642607658 355984 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@64.85.173.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1642607666 493554 :kit_ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:ef64:8e84:c22b:29b8 NICK :kit-ten < 1642609074 228005 :kit_ten!~u0_a391@64.85.173.130 JOIN #esolangs * :u0_a391 > 1642609212 312213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92256&oldid=92151 5* 03Fgsilver 5* (+170) 10 < 1642609277 598537 :kit-ten!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:cdf9:ef64:8e84:c22b:29b8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642609341 855350 :kit_ten!~u0_a391@64.85.173.130 NICK :Kit-ten < 1642611051 128458 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1642611057 604956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1642611351 351036 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1642613359 78366 :razetime!~quassel@49.207.203.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1642614033 788437 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CappyIsCrappy 5* 10New user account < 1642614216 323978 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1642614238 103418 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1642615077 404185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:QuineLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92257 5* 03Fgsilver 5* (+172) 10Created page with "I think this might be Turing complete. The commands `<>+-[]` do the same in brainfuck. ~~~~" > 1642615109 415686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92258&oldid=92256 5* 03CappyIsCrappy 5* (+241) 10 > 1642615119 274809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:CappyIsCrappy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92259 5* 03CappyIsCrappy 5* (+203) 10Created page with "Hello for all you guys! Yeah, i like how my username explains everything about cappy in Mario odyssey. ~~~~" > 1642615607 191593 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92260&oldid=92258 5* 03CappyIsCrappy 5* (+22) 10 > 1642615634 767586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:CappyIsCrappy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92261&oldid=92259 5* 03CappyIsCrappy 5* (+22) 10 < 1642615946 261493 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1642617241 654085 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can a adjacency matrix be used to canonize a unlabeled graph (even without storing the adjacency matrix, possibly)? < 1642617253 479994 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1642617825 602957 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-122.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: if you mean both the vertexes and edges are unlabeled, the kind of no, as in not in a way that's both fast and uses a simple algorithm. the problem is that a fast algorithm would imply that you can solve the graph isomorphism problem fast, and while that is probably possible, we don't have an algorithm known for it. < 1642617934 739690 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-122.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: if you are willing to spend exponential time, then yes, you can absolutely canonicalize the graph: just consider all node permutations, permute the matrix rows and columns according to it, and take whichever permuted adj'cy matrix is lexicographically the first among all permutations. < 1642618252 60980 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"exponential time" can often be fast. e.g. https://pallini.di.uniroma1.it/ < 1642618359 951566 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-122.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, we can solve all practical cases quickly < 1642618383 251399 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(They focus on finding graph automorphisms, but the same techniques can also be used to canonicalize graphs) < 1642618525 45920 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1642618557 370909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(as usual I'm only looking at partial context) < 1642619151 155258 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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