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00:00:00 <b_jonas> happy new year to everyone in the +00 (UK/Portugal; Iceland) timezones
00:05:46 <esolangs> [[This]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91494&oldid=91493 * Alluseri * (-1420) Added link to Github, fixed minor mistakes
00:07:15 <b_jonas> I probably won't be here during the american timezones, so everyone else feel free wish happy new year to everyone in my name too
00:12:47 <esolangs> [[This]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91495&oldid=91494 * Alluseri * (+63) Categorization
00:14:46 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91496&oldid=91437 * Alluseri * (+11) /* T */
00:15:19 <fizzie> They had done one of those drone light show things here.
00:31:16 <b_jonas> fizzie: here president Áder did his last new year speech (on account that there's a maximum of two terms he can get elected as president of the republic), so next new year's day we'll have a new president doing the speech
00:31:37 <esolangs> [[Tic Tac Toe]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91497&oldid=74925 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+0) Rectified two bugs in the example programs: The infinite loop illegally marked the square b2 twice; and the last move of the cat program, being a winning move, did not append the necessary brainfuck token ].
00:32:01 <b_jonas> also lots of firework sounds coming from the streets starting in the afternoon and all the way until somewhat after midnight, also as usual
00:32:22 <esolangs> [[Tic Tac Toe]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91498&oldid=91497 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+179) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Tic Tac Toe programming language on GitHub.
00:32:25 <b_jonas> I heard unusually few ambulance/fire vehicle sirens though fora new year's day
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00:50:23 <esolangs> [[Burger Place]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91499 * BarbecueBurrito * (+13655) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Burger Place |paradigms=imperative |author=Daniel |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |memsys=[[:Category:Stack-based|Stack-based]] |dimensions=one-dimensio..."
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00:55:14 <esolangs> [[Burger Place]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91501&oldid=91499 * BarbecueBurrito * (+79) 
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01:00:38 <esolangs> [[Burger Place]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91504&oldid=91501 * BarbecueBurrito * (-34) 
01:02:21 <esolangs> [[Burger Place]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91505&oldid=91504 * BarbecueBurrito * (+0) fixed word placement
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02:13:03 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * DrinkMilk *  New user account
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04:47:23 <oerjan> b_jonas: happy new year, also we still have our resident korean although he doesn't say much.
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04:48:35 <oerjan> there might be others who just haven't made their location obvious.
04:57:59 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] restore  * Oerjan *  restored "[[Celsee]]": I deleted it by author request under the assumption that no one cared, but there now exists a language inspired by it.
04:59:07 <oerjan> argh
04:59:52 <oerjan> annoying. i'll just leave it in that state.
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05:02:42 <oerjan> Happy new year to whoever lives in -05 timezone
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05:18:52 <esolangs> [[EXDotSF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91507&oldid=91477 * Rudolph4268 * (+1401) Updated the article with new info and a new feature
05:19:57 <esolangs> [[EXDotSF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91508&oldid=91507 * Rudolph4268 * (+12) Made a little touch-up :)
05:24:26 <esolangs> [[EXDotSF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91509&oldid=91508 * Rudolph4268 * (+18) May as well add this to the 2022 category because I'll probably be developing EXDotSF some more tomorrow
05:26:08 <esolangs> [[EXDotSF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91510&oldid=91509 * Rudolph4268 * (-18) Oops! Scratch that, I misread the category description.
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05:34:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Commandblockguy *  New user account
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05:38:28 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91511&oldid=91487 * Commandblockguy * (+141) 
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06:01:12 <oerjan> Happy new year to people in the -06 timezone
06:20:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload  * Rudolph4268 *  uploaded "[[File:Exdotsf termux.jpg.jpg]]"
06:22:16 <int-e> `? password
06:22:19 <HackEso> The password of the month is skipped due to being a common surname among Chinese paramount leaders.
06:23:00 <int-e> . o O ( `learn The password of the month is Catch-22` )
06:23:15 <int-e> `hwrl password
06:23:16 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/wisdom/password
06:23:58 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload  * Rudolph4268 *  uploaded "[[File:EXDotSF in MS-DOS.jpg]]"
06:24:33 <int-e> `learn The password of the month is Catch-22
06:24:37 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is Catch-22
06:25:03 <int-e> `learn The password of the month is Caught-22
06:25:06 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is Caught-22
06:25:30 <esolangs> [[EXDotSF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91514&oldid=91510 * Rudolph4268 * (+181) Added some of my screencaps of EXDotSF in operation to the article
06:39:31 <oerjan> ooh
06:43:06 <int-e> (sorry for the double update there, but the grammar tweak was too alluring once I thought of it)
06:46:11 <int-e> I wonder how common this mental flaw is... where you commit to something, and then immediately come up with small improvements to what you just di.
06:46:20 <int-e> *did
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07:04:40 <oerjan> Happy new year to those rascals in the -07 timezone
07:05:03 <oerjan> int-e: recent evidence suggests p. common hth
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07:22:05 <esolangs> [[For(T,R,A,N]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91515 * Commandblockguy * (+3011) Create page for For(T,R,A,N
07:25:52 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91516&oldid=91496 * Commandblockguy * (+18) Add For(T,R,A,N (hopefully in the correct place)
07:27:01 <citrons> happy 2002
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07:34:07 <Guest53> How is https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/stalker.html#eof supposed to work?
07:34:22 <oerjan> fizzie: ^
07:34:54 <oerjan> Guest53: last i heard it's buggy
07:35:27 <Guest53> It seems to work.
07:35:36 <oerjan> well then maybe it isn't.
07:35:53 <Guest53> coool.
07:36:24 <oerjan> well to be sure what i recall is that it sometimes locks up
07:36:33 <Guest53> I made an underload interpreter in python. https://gist.github.com/PyMaster22/5f88962a238027e2381149c513ca7dac
07:38:26 <Guest53> haven't seen it not work.
07:43:38 <oerjan> seems a bit redundant. why not make underload just a wrapper around underloadEmulate?
07:46:02 <oerjan> Guest53: i wonder if you won't get trouble with python's execution stack limit for some programs.
07:47:06 <Guest53> For most programs there shouldn't be that error.
07:47:38 <Guest53> It is redundant. I can fix it.
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07:53:27 <Guest57> Sorry, my chromebook shutoff.
07:55:47 <Guest57> I fixed it!
08:00:03 <Guest57> 2022, happy new year!
08:06:15 <oerjan> happy new year! (currently for -08 time zone)
08:10:01 <oerjan> hm maybe none of the programs in the underload article do very deep recursion
08:10:19 <Guest57> except for infinite.
08:10:23 <Guest57> bye.
08:11:28 <oerjan> bye
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11:47:34 <esolangs> [[This]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91517&oldid=91506 * Alluseri * (+306) 
11:58:04 <riv> hi
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13:16:14 <esolangs> [[AsciiDots]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91518&oldid=74632 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+150) This article needs to be rearranged
13:29:15 <esolangs> [[This]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91519&oldid=91517 * Alluseri * (+19) 
13:33:15 <esolangs> [[CelseeLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91520 * Alluseri * (+2641) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=CelseeLang |paradigms=imperative |author=[[User:Alluseri|Alluseri]] |year=[[:Category:2022|2022]](Celsee: 2019) |typesys=:Category:Queue-based|Queue..."
13:33:26 <esolangs> [[Celsee]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91521&oldid=89595 * Alluseri * (-21) Redirected page to [[CelseeLang]]
13:35:00 <b_jonas> happy new year to everyone
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13:35:27 <riv> thanks
13:35:29 <riv> u 2
13:49:04 <fizzie> oerjan: I feel like updating the embedded web server it uses (which I did a while back) stopped it from locking up.
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03:15:20 <PyMaster22> Hello!
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03:56:09 <oerjan> fizzie: aha
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06:26:56 <Sgeo> https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?search=freenode&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go some of these should be fixed someday
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08:02:35 <esolangs> [[Talk talk:Turing tarpit]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91522&oldid=54171 * OliveIsAWord * (+28) meow
08:11:44 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Uggaman *  New user account
08:14:16 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91523&oldid=91511 * Uggaman * (+162) /* Introductions */
08:15:42 <esolangs> [[User:Uggaman]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91524 * Uggaman * (+113) Created page with "Hello yall I'm Uggaman!   I make programming languages (BUT MAINLY ESOTERIC LANGUAGES)  Hope you have a good day!"
08:24:50 <esolangs> [[Ugga]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91525 * Uggaman * (+659) Created page with "UGGA              The programming language is made of 5 arrays and each array has 30k slots.      That means there are 150K slots in total.      Syntax:     ! (Go up onto the..."
08:30:10 <esolangs> [[Ugga]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91526&oldid=91525 * Uggaman * (+65) 
08:31:53 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91527&oldid=91516 * Uggaman * (+11) /* Non-alphabetic */
08:33:00 <esolangs> [[Ugga]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91528&oldid=91526 * Uggaman * (-78) 
08:33:24 <esolangs> [[Ugga]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91529&oldid=91528 * Uggaman * (+16) 
08:33:38 <esolangs> [[Ugga]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91530&oldid=91529 * Uggaman * (-7) 
08:37:05 <oerjan> `ord Ugga
08:37:08 <HackEso> 85 103 103 97
08:37:29 <oerjan> i dislike this guy already.
08:37:46 <oerjan> which is probably what e's aiming for, anyway.
08:38:18 <oerjan> ais523: could you check Uggaman a bit? just a hunch.
08:38:47 <esolangs> [[User talk:Uggaman]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91531 * Uggaman * (+286) im comin to town
08:39:18 <int-e> `ord ominous
08:39:19 <HackEso> 111 109 105 110 111 117 115
08:41:01 <oerjan> int-e: e put it in the language list as "non-alphabetic" hth
08:42:40 <oerjan> also, e explicitly added extra lines inside Esolang:Introductions, after i changed the filter to require addition at the end.
08:43:26 <int-e> hmm, that may be an accident
08:44:00 <int-e> so that's two accidents so far ;)
08:44:27 <oerjan> int-e: several new accounts put their introduction in the middle until i did that change to force them to put _something_ at the end. i'm suspicious.
08:44:36 <int-e> oerjan: oddly enough https://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Uggaman gives me the worst vibes of all the contributions so far :P
08:45:11 <oerjan> you think.
08:45:29 <oerjan> four. four accidents. AHAHAHAHAHA!
08:45:57 <int-e> oerjan: the accident scenario is this: add your introduction in the middle, get a message that you're supposed to put it at the end... then "move" it there in a way that somehow doesn't remove the previous instance completely
08:46:30 <oerjan> ...i suppose.
08:46:55 <oerjan> but you'd have to want it in the middle to start with.
08:47:28 <int-e> I'm also tired of seeing "languages' with no control flow whatsoever.
08:47:36 <oerjan> yeah
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12:43:05 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91532&oldid=91290 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+243) Second try on Problem 7 failed
13:20:30 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/7]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91533&oldid=90301 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+1163) Added C and Mathworld
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13:31:18 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * IPhoenixEsolangs *  New user account
13:32:44 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91534&oldid=91523 * IPhoenixEsolangs * (+182) hi
14:01:33 <esolangs> [[For(T,R,A,N]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91535&oldid=91515 * IPhoenixEsolangs * (+1615) Clarified the last example, added a link to more code samples, provided an explanation of how For( loops work.
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14:16:32 <esolangs> [[Ugga]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91537&oldid=91530 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) Add categories
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14:32:14 <b_jonas> fizzie: "stoped it from locking up" => is that the chat log web interface?
14:59:24 <int-e> the stalker mode part specifically, I think
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17:15:02 <fizzie> Yes. It uses a websocket for the stalking feature, and it used to deadlock the rest of it every now and then. I haven't noticed it since then (though I also don't know if the stalker mode is used much).
17:16:25 <fizzie> ("Since then" = "since rebuilding the code with a newer CivetWeb dependency".)
18:01:58 <esolangs> [[GolfScript]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91542&oldid=75732 * A casual user * (-4) 
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20:24:33 <esolangs> [[User:Uggaman]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91546&oldid=91524 * Uggaman * (+13) Languages
20:24:46 <esolangs> [[User:Uggaman]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91547&oldid=91546 * Uggaman * (-2) 
20:26:00 <esolangs> [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91548&oldid=91118 * PixelatedStarfish * (+485) /* Spider Giant */
20:26:30 <esolangs> [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91549&oldid=91548 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Ideas */
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20:36:25 <esolangs> [[Ugga]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91551&oldid=91550 * Uggaman * (-15) 
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20:50:20 <esolangs> [[BloodCell]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91552 * PixelatedStarfish * (+429) Created page with "A language by [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] that is designed to describe abstract computers and computational models. This is accomplished with a grid of arbitrary size, such tha..."
21:06:41 <esolangs> [[BloodCell]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91553&oldid=91552 * PixelatedStarfish * (+162) 
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01:04:49 <b_jonas> oh no, they recolored the tasvideos website
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03:49:33 <esolangs> [[Fool]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91554&oldid=91484 * DigitalDetective47 * (+2) /* Computational class */ Fixed wrong translation of < command
04:16:40 <imode> how bad
04:16:48 <imode> oh
04:16:50 <imode> not that bad.
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19:59:49 <tromp> int-e: i found this article interesting file:///Users/tromp/binary-lambda-calculus/Die_Another_Day.pdf
20:00:18 <tromp> i mean https://www.researchgate.net/publication/30815418_Die_Another_Day
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21:42:36 <esolangs> [[G85]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91567&oldid=89746 * Danielle * (+4) fixed dead link
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01:58:40 <esolangs> [[HQ9+2D]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91569&oldid=89914 * Squidmanescape * (+2) 
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02:49:01 <ais523> fizzie: I use stalker mode frequently, it's my usual method of reading #esoteric
02:49:52 <ais523> a) because it's a convenient way to see the logs for the last several days (i.e. since i last read it), b) because my IRC client and network connection are both really unreliable so it's a more reliable way to see what people are saying in pseudo-realtime than actually connecting to IRC is
02:50:48 <ais523> oerjan: Uggaman doesn't have the same style as any banned user I'm aware of, I think it's someone new (and probably immature rather than malicious)
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02:51:39 <ais523> languages without control flow are an interesting issue – I get the feeling that esolangs.org has really taken off in the last few years, compared to when it was first created, and lots of people like the idea of making their own programming language but have no real idea how to go about it
02:52:33 <ais523> and, well, for "typical" mass-produced esolangs (think BF derivatives and other things in the same sphere), implementing loops or other forms of control flow is hard compared to anything else you'd likely be doing
02:57:36 <imode> what languages don't have control flow?
02:58:02 <ais523> languages in the Deadfish family
02:58:11 <imode> they aren't TC, then?
02:58:24 <ais523> no
02:58:40 <ais523> the complaint is about the spam of languages that are unusable for programming due to having no sort of loop at all
02:58:56 <imode> heh.
02:59:14 <imode> low-effort non-TC langs not welcome, I take it.
02:59:40 <ais523> well, they aren't banned
02:59:44 <ais523> but they tend to annoy some people
03:00:07 <imode> I know when I'm just browsing, they annoy me because they just aren't worth looking at.
03:00:14 <ais523> if you're interested in TC languages without control flow, there are "implicit loop" languages like cyclic tag (or sequential tag) and Blindfolded Arithmetic
03:01:04 <ais523> hmm, some sort of VHDL-with-bignums could be an interesting language (restricted to the behavioural rather than imperative subset)
03:01:09 <ais523> I don't think there are many behavioural languages out there
03:01:22 <imode> behavioral languages?
03:02:24 <int-e> The whole slew of rewriting based languages (canonical examples: Semi-Thue systems and lambda calculus)  have no control flow either, technically. (But they are embedded in an implicit loop that continues rewriting as long as possible.)
03:02:25 <ais523> so the way VHDL's behavioural subset works is, assignments have a time delay and can be done as a consequence of specific other values changing
03:02:46 <ais523> so you can say "when X becomes 0, then after a short time delay, assign 1 to Y"
03:03:01 <imode> ah, rule oriented/trigger oriented.
03:03:06 <imode> yeah, I like those languages.
03:03:08 <ais523> and then executing the language is done by putting a scheduler on all the assignments and letting them trigger each other
03:03:54 <ais523> also you aren't supposed to assign to values more than once at a time (although VHDL actually contains 9-valued booleans for modelling what happens if you do anyway)
03:04:30 <imode> I'm actually exploring some stuff based around tuple spaces.
03:04:41 <imode> that fits into that. but I'm having trouble really getting to the root of it.
03:05:09 <ais523> the "fun" part is that VHDL isn't an esolang, it's actually one of the three main languages for programming FPGAs and ASICs
03:05:40 <imode> mhm. used it extensively. those languages and other rule systems are stupid powerful.
03:05:51 <int-e> There's also interesting "machines" with no "control flow" in data compression: https://github.com/honno/gzip-quine (the original site seems to be gone)
03:07:16 <ais523> I think that gzip quine is one of the few files on my computer that my virus scanner flags
03:07:27 <ais523> because it tries to decompress it recursively during the virus scan, then gets upset
03:07:33 <int-e> it's 20.zip rebooted
03:08:04 <imode> http://okturing.com/src/12884/body
03:08:07 <int-e> (that was the zip file that contained 20 equal zip files, iterated 3 times or so, and then 1MB files full of zeros)
03:08:52 <int-e> (and obviously the solution in virus scanners was to tag that file as malware)
03:09:23 <ais523> it's kind-of obvious that an archive full of identical zip files would compress well
03:09:31 <ais523> the zip quine is much less obvious, although it makes sense
03:10:49 <ais523> hmm, is there a run-length-encoding quine that gives an arbitrary prefix and suffix, for some reasonable run length encoding format?
03:10:58 <ais523> (without, you can just do "2 2" but that doesn't generalize)
03:11:09 <ais523> I guess you need to allow runs of multiple different symbols
03:11:27 <ais523> actually this is probably just resplicate, which is already known TC
03:11:46 <ais523> but one-iteration resplicate, which isn't the same
03:14:25 <int-e> anyway, my point here was that gzip -d implements a weird straight line code machine without control flow, and you /can/ make this interesting (either because you're golfing, usually called compression, or because you actually do something esoteric like writing a quine)
03:14:43 <ais523> huh, apparently Firefox won't now open Haskell source code over HTTP (as opposed to HTTPS) without a warning, in case someone put some malicious code in there by tampering with the network connection
03:14:54 <int-e> so absence of control flow is not sufficient to make things boring :P
03:15:24 <ais523> (it doesn't recognise the file type, so it doesn't know that it isn't going to be executed immediately as a consequence of opening it, but still…)
03:15:26 <int-e> ...wow?
03:16:02 <ais523> gzip -d *does* have control flow, doesn't it? it's just that it's primitive-recursive
03:16:15 <ais523> (and not primitive-recursive-complete either, it only uses hardcoded iteration counts)
03:16:41 <ais523> so programs are guaranteed to terminate, but that doesn't mean they can't have loops in
03:16:51 <int-e> I never like that this browser sees text/x-haskell and decides that it must be downloaded
03:16:55 <int-e> it's TEXT.
03:17:07 <ais523> I think the server is involved in this too
03:17:14 <ais523> but I'm not sure to what extent
03:17:20 <int-e> (I resort to deliverint *.hs as text/plain from my webserver)
03:17:33 <int-e> like https://int-e.eu/~bf3/haskell/NatP.hs
03:17:38 <ais523> I have overrides to text/plain for quite a few source code extensions on my webserver
03:17:44 <int-e> (you can try http too if you like)
03:18:46 <ais523> I'm a little concerned about overuse of https – people often use it for things where there isn't actually a security guarantee, so using TLS as the transport is misleading
03:19:18 <int-e> I don't mind it terribly
03:19:23 <ais523> (also, an https implementation is much more complex than an http implementation, so there's a huge increase in attack surface, and so it's likely to reduce security in some aspects whilst increasing it in others)
03:19:37 <int-e> I mean, it doesn't *hurt*
03:20:07 <int-e> except for that I guess
03:21:20 <int-e> I just don't see how https makes us significantly more secure than http... against state level actors (who are the most likely to be able to mess with http too), seeing all the authorities that browsers trust by default.
03:22:14 <int-e> (of course this is less about TLS and more about PKI)
03:22:50 <ais523> I think there are advantages to https for a) hiding which page on a website you're reading, and b) hiding the content of pages on the website you're reading (maybe they require a login), from other people on the same network as you
03:23:06 <ais523> but these are the only common threat models where https does anything useful
03:24:06 <ais523> oh, also the reverse directions, especially the reverse of b) (i.e. hiding the content that you're sending to a server from other people on your network)
03:24:32 <ais523> it used to be possible to do things like steal people's Facebook passwords by connecting to the same wifi-router as them, until the Facebook login page go moved to https
03:25:38 <ais523> (IIRC they got pressured into moving it to https via a security researcher who released a user-friendly tool for doing this automatically, to as many people as possible…)
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04:13:34 <b_jonas> "implementing loops or other forms of control flow is hard compared to anything else you'd likely be doing" => heh heh. my first esolang is technically psz, which has reasonable control flow but absolutely broken syntax, so the parsing is the hardest part and I didn't get it right. 
04:14:06 <b_jonas> You can say that I was too young and stupid and that's why I got a lot of things wrong in speccing the syntax, and that's true, but so are those people who submit control flowless languages
04:15:35 <b_jonas> also I find it more annoying the languages that do appear to have control flow, so you can't just dismiss them quickly by reading, but their control flow turns out to be so inadequate that they're not TC for some stupid reason, like that language that's brainfuck with only one level of loop nesting. That wastes more of the reader's time.
04:15:57 <b_jonas> There are like three such brainfuck variants at least.
04:16:39 <imode> man this thing isn't fuckin' TC.
04:17:01 <zzo38> I also dont like that the browser sees text/x-haskell and decides that it must be downloaded, but I managed to use userChrome.js to add a "view source" option to the download menu, and if that doesn't work, can just add "view-source:" in front of the URL.
04:18:05 <zzo38> I also don't like that many things require TLS, although I think it is OK to have it available as an option, for when you want it.
04:20:26 <zzo38> Also, for the MIME types, I had idea making a better format that it can specify any number of file types at once instead of only one at a time, as well as parameters such as code page number and inner formats. (There is a bit similarity to UTI, but different in many ways, including that everything is listed intsead of having inheritance)
04:23:28 <imode> what's a good way to store an unlabeled, undirected graph?
04:23:47 <zzo38> (TLS is good for preventing spies from viewing or tampering with the data, it does not prevent the server operator from doing so.)
04:24:28 <zzo38> (and does not imply that the files downloaded in this way are necessarily safe, either, although it does prevent spies from adding bad things, at least)
04:25:21 <imode> in every idea I can think of, you need to use some unique identifier for the nodes.
04:25:30 <zzo38> (But, I dislike HSTS especially, and also the way that the "secure contexts" feature is working.)
04:26:14 <zzo38> I also don't know how to store a unlabeled undirected graph in a good way; I also know you will need a unique identifier. I also wanted to think of how to do, in order to canonize it so that you can then compare it.
04:26:56 <imode> yeah... I'd like to eliminate the need to keep track of which identifiers are unique.
04:29:55 <imode> seems like any implementation of rewriting over undirected, unlabeled graphs isn't turing equivalent unless you can generate new nodes and edges between those nodes.
04:31:12 <zzo38> Are you allowed to connect a node to itself, and are multiple edges connecting the same pair of nodes allowed?
04:31:32 <imode> 1. yes. 2. no.
04:31:32 <fizzie> Turns out I do in fact have a metric for the number of stalker clients connected. Not kept long-term, but for the last two weeks, it's never been more than 1 consecutively, but I guess there's on average one visit per day. So it does get some use.
04:32:29 <zzo38> While there are ways to represent such a graph, I am not sure how to canonize it.
04:36:11 <earendel> firefox won't "open" haskell code? 
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04:39:11 <imode> I can't think of a single way of representing this without unique identifiers.
04:39:18 <fizzie> int-e: There's the "Content-Disposition: inline" vs. "Content-Disposition: attachment" response header that's supposed to hint whether a page should be shown or downloaded, but I don't know if that'd be honoured for the "inline" case for text/* content.
04:39:59 <imode> if you use a triangular matrix you're still implicitly preserving the concept of a unqiue identifier by way of indices.
04:40:01 <fizzie> I guess specwise "inline" means "default", so it shouldn't.
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04:47:08 <earendel> firefox will ask what how to open unknown mimetypes. (it will then only fetch the data..and then open it with a program of your choice) .. a download attribute on links will enforce downloading for otherwise known filetypes.
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04:55:58 <earendel> everyone can see what authorities are trusted by browsers by default. not just the state.
04:58:22 <imode> what is the _simplest_ implementation of a unique identifier.
04:59:03 <fizzie> Is there an enumeration of unlabeled undirected graphs? I imagine there must. So just represent the graph by the index it has in that enumeration. Not exactly a practical choice to work with, though...
04:59:04 <imode> I assume just.. a counter that's incremented every time you need something.
04:59:46 <imode> fizzie: yeah you need to actually unpack that to query/rewrite over it lol.
05:00:06 <fizzie> The address of a thing in memory, in some cases and in some programming languages.
05:00:09 <earendel> enumeration
05:00:46 <imode> pointers... eh. that's basically picking random numbers.
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05:02:18 <fizzie> Well, except that things often need to have an address *anyway*, so you can't avoid doing it, and then it's there as a unique identifier already.
05:02:33 <imode> what about uniqueness cross-system?
05:03:00 <imode> like, say, over the internet.
05:03:44 <imode> pointers also don't work very well when you have to dump things to disk.
05:04:32 <earendel> its usually offsets.
05:05:21 <imode> still doesn't help when I wanna grab someone's graph and graft it on to mine. all the nodes need to be relabeled.
05:05:39 <imode> even though they are.. unlabeled.
05:06:03 <earendel> but that is also just enumeration. every number is unique. that is sufficient, no?
05:07:56 <imode> sorta? if everyone's graph node IDs start at 0, and I wanna just concatenate two graphs together, I need to relabel all nodes.
05:08:18 <imode> probably by starting from the maximum node number from graph A, adding that as an offset to every node number in graph B.
05:08:29 <imode> it's not terribly unique, you need to maintain uniqueness.
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05:43:23 <zzo38> Memory addresses if you need a unique ID only within the current process, can work and is something else I had done before too, both with static and dynamic memory. In the case of dynamic memory, you can have e.g. malloc(1), or malloc(sizeof(int)) or whatever size is needed if you need to keep track of the reference count, or larger if you want to store additional data too.
05:43:34 <zzo38> (Of course, depending what data you will need to store and how much, it may waste memory.)
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05:55:29 <imode> all falls apart cross-system.
05:55:52 <imode> pointers don't go past a single system
05:57:20 <zzo38> Yes, it doesn't work cross-system; it is only working for internal use within a single process.
05:58:43 <zzo38> (Although, I had seen some file formats which will write out the internal memory addresses to a file, and then when it reads them back in later will make a list of which ones match and don't match and then will automatically update them to the new memory address where they are at.)
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06:53:35 <oerjan> ais523: ah
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08:22:14 <riv> it is generative art january
08:24:13 <riv> https://oeis.org/A085735
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08:42:27 <earendel> i don't know what he's talking about. redirection from http to https is of course 1 step too late. so it has to either be enforced by the client. a fucking 1 liner. or just don't. 
08:42:42 <riv> fuckikng hate redirection
08:43:01 <riv> hate https too
08:43:04 <riv> annoying as hell
08:43:44 <earendel> its really the same as http.
08:47:38 <earendel> that false ais guy didn't even mention authentification.
08:48:22 <riv> false ais...
08:48:34 <riv> we need better truth machines
08:48:56 <riv> oh devised by User:Keymaker
08:48:58 <riv> joke fail
08:50:52 <earendel> what
08:51:12 <riv> my joke failed
08:51:21 <earendel> certainly.
08:51:33 <riv> why did you say "what"?
08:52:38 <Corbin> Do coproducts count as control flow?
08:52:59 <earendel> why do you bring up another sock now
08:53:36 <riv> no Corbin 
08:54:36 <earendel> you understand what he means?
08:54:51 <Corbin> riv: Then I politely assert that control flow is an illusion, as it's not necessary for Turing-complete behavior.
08:55:07 <earendel> JNZ
08:55:36 <riv> to execute lambda you need control flow, but it can be lazy or strict
08:55:48 <earendel> its when you have conditional execution paths 
08:55:58 <Corbin> For example, a Wang tiling has no control flow. There are implicit choices (which location to place a tile, which tile to place) but those choices are structured as a coproduct.
08:57:08 <esolangs> [[GibMeRol]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91588 * Milkman * (+590) Created page
08:57:39 <Franciman> Corbin: is control flow necessary in order to have a universal turing machine?
08:57:40 <earendel> lets make it simpler: you have a bunch of letters and symbols. in some order.
08:57:49 <Franciman> or in the case of wang tiling, a universal wang tiling method
08:58:17 <riv> wang tiles are crazy
08:58:19 <Corbin> earendel: Heh, the Post correspondence problem? Yeah, that'd work in 1D.
08:58:25 <riv> how the hell is that turing complete
08:59:05 <earendel> letters and symbols in some order? 
08:59:07 <Corbin> Franciman: I'm genuinely not sure. I *just* came up with this idea; it's probably bogus.
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09:00:14 <Franciman> sure
09:00:16 <Franciman> i see
09:00:16 <earendel> stop spamming around.im not very impressed.
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09:01:46 <earendel> use matrix or something.lol
09:02:29 <earendel> matrix ... *oooh lmao*
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09:04:12 <riv> The matrix 4
09:05:32 <earendel> what networks do they connect?
09:07:19 <earendel> so. what was so complicated about rewriting all addresses to https on the fly?
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09:10:40 <riv> earendel: jklasdfklajfkajlsdjklflkaf
09:14:45 <earendel> is there something like ASLR for linux?
09:16:19 <riv> it has ASLR
09:16:20 <esolangs> [[User:Milkman]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91592 * Milkman * (+412) Created page with "Hello! My name is James and I am a fan of writing low level stuffs and am currently writing my own OS which you can view on [https://github.com/jamesray23114/Aozora-OS github]..."
09:17:14 <earendel> lol
09:17:35 <earendel> the advent of zorra
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10:19:32 <wib_jonas> I looked at https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/ and quickly got surprised because it shows only four days. New year is always weird
10:20:55 <riv> what's weird about that
10:21:19 <riv> does that only happen on january?
10:21:26 <wib_jonas> fungot: is control flow necessary in order to have a universal turing machine?
10:21:26 <fungot> wib_jonas: or then have two c++ functions, one for artist, one for meta, one for each line in the comment
10:22:33 <Corbin> fungot: products or coproducts?
10:22:33 <fungot> Corbin: fnord/ fogbugz/ fnord/ projects/ tango/ wiki/ fnord fnord
10:22:50 <fizzie> The default index is paginated by year, so yes, it only looks short in January.
10:23:05 <riv> aha
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10:59:02 <ais523> I just learned about COBOL's ALTER statement: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/cobol-zos/4.2?topic=statements-alter-statement
10:59:16 <ais523> and immediately had to log on to #esolangs and tell everyone about it
10:59:33 <riv> lol
10:59:37 <ais523> this is the sort of thing I'd normally only expect to see in INTERCAL
10:59:43 <riv> are you sure this is COBOL and not INTERCAL
11:00:07 <riv> wow, I thought COME FROM was supposed to be a joke
11:00:19 <ais523> COME FROM is a joke
11:00:28 <ais523> but this is of a comparable level of insanity, from a modern programmer's point of view
11:00:44 <Corbin> ais523: This is the point at which I realized that I was, in fact, *not* interested in making money writing code.
11:01:08 <ais523> (for the benefit of anyone logreading and who doesn't want to follow the link: ALTER modifies the program that contains it by rewriting the target of a GO TO to go to some other line)
11:01:22 <riv> That is completely wild
11:01:54 <Corbin> (The main reason COBOL programmers know about ALTER is so that they know how to remove it from legacy code with incremental refactoring.)
11:02:10 <ais523> I do get the strong feeling it's discouraged nowadays :-)
11:02:20 <ais523> I didn't know you were a COBOL programmer, though
11:02:22 <riv> Corbin: please get a COBOL job and change your name to Coblin
11:02:49 <Corbin> No, I only learned about half the language. I get the appeal of structured records; I still like protobuf, Capn Proto, etc. But the control flow is bonkers.
11:03:43 <ais523> I think of COBOL as being a precursor to SQL
11:04:05 <ais523> all the data-handling stuff (which COBOL is good at) was moved to dedicated databases, all the everything else was replaced by saner languages
11:06:10 <ais523> huh, I wonder if INTERCAL's ABSTAIN was inspired by COBOL's ALTER
11:06:20 <ais523> there can't be many cases in which data is stored in the code rather than in the data
11:07:44 <Corbin> Kind of surprised that INTERCAL doesn't just have ALTER. I could imagine PLEASE ALTER LABEL foo TO COME FROM bar.
11:08:11 <riv> we need to add it
11:08:14 <ais523> INTERCAL isn't supposed to have any features from any other language
11:08:31 <ais523> so existing in COBOL (which was one of the sources) would immediately rule it out
11:08:41 <riv> a
11:08:43 <ais523> interestingly, some INTERCAL features subsequently turned up in other languages
11:08:49 <riv> btw ais523 apparently there is a false ais
11:09:18 <ais523> most notably, INTERCAL's "select" operator subsequently ended up getting added to the x86-64 instruction set (where it's known as "PEXT")
11:10:20 <riv> wow
11:11:19 <ais523> they also added an inverse ("PDEP") which can be used to implement mingle, although not in a single instruction
11:14:47 <ais523> Corbin: incidentally, CLC-INTERCAL does have a method of replacing one *type of statement* with another, as long as they take the same types of arguments in the same order
11:15:03 <ais523> I forget what it's called, but you can, e.g., replace all ABSTAIN statements with REINSTATE statements
11:15:25 <ais523> I've never found a use for it, but I don't write much CLC-INTERCAL
11:17:46 <ais523> looks like COBOL has a few other fun features too, but I haven't found something on the level of ALTER
11:18:38 <ais523> it allows a contiguous set of struct fields to be interpreted as a new struct, even if they don't obey the usual nesting behaviour, which is a bit weird
11:19:23 <ais523> e.g. you can have the equivalent of C's struct { struct { int a; int b; }; struct { int c; int d; }} and create a field that's a structure containing the b and c fields
11:19:58 <Corbin> TIL, thanks.
11:21:18 <Corbin> The original inspiration for COBOL structured records was bureaucratic forms. It's a common pattern on those forms to need to take multiple different fields, sometimes from different sections, and aggregate them into a pseudo-section.
11:21:41 <ais523> right, this probably also explains why data types are described via their formatted string representation
11:22:31 <ais523> like, you don't define "number" but "number left-padded to five digits with spaces
11:22:32 <ais523> "
11:22:53 <ais523> although the implication is that this only affects I/O and the number is actually just a number internally
11:23:00 <Corbin> Yeah. And then when you manipulate the number, you can (optionally?) specify the rounding mode and sigfigs.
11:23:36 <ais523> ooh, apparently everything is stored as a string by default (in which case the format would matter) but there's an option to store in binary and convert for I/O
11:24:14 <Corbin> Gotta wonder what the hardware was like back then. COBOL predates IEEE 754; I have literally no idea how stuff was stored.
11:24:52 <ais523> based on the defaults and history of the language, I'm guessing the first couple of versions stored everything as strings just to be able to get something working
11:25:03 <ais523> and then more optimized ways of doing things were retrofitted later
11:27:01 <Corbin> Maybe. But having been in the industry for a bit, I could also imagine that COBOL was seen as the portable interface, and each COBOL compiler emitted machine-specific number-handling code.
11:27:29 <ais523> COBOL was intended to be/become a portable language, but was originally written in a hurry and had to be somewhat redone
11:27:49 <ais523> huh, you can call a range of procedures that are consecutive in the source code
11:27:59 <ais523> I guess that's consistent with the structs
11:27:59 <Corbin> Interesting, TIL. I don't know much about the early history other than the famous Grace Hopper folklore.
11:29:16 <ais523> but trying to produce a language which allowed for portable programs seems to have been the main motivation
11:30:17 <ais523> …you can write the equivalent of BASIC's ON ERROR RESUME NEXT in COBOL
11:30:28 <ais523> presumably it hadn't been discovered to be a bad idea yet
11:36:07 <Corbin> Huh, how would that be done? It would take a whole paragraph, I think. It provides a fitting little path from COBOL to BASIC to PHP, the same idiom with less code each time.
11:38:11 <ais523> right, you have to write an exception handler, and those things have divisions of their own
11:38:33 <ais523> or, not a division, it's a subdivision of the procedure divisoin
11:38:40 <ais523> called "DECLARATIVES", apparently
11:39:35 <ais523> you can also longjmp out, which is simultaneously less confusing and more confusing because you simply say where you're jumping to, not how to unwind the stack (this probably only works because COBOL didn't support recursion at the time…)
11:41:45 <Corbin> Yeah, AFAICT there was not a serious plan for how to implement an OS or even a time-slicer in COBOL. Again, this might be historical ignorance; I don't think the idea of systems programming was a thing yet.
11:43:13 <ais523> the reason I was looking up COBOL in the first place was because I was reading a discussion about the first OS to be implemented in something other than assembly language
11:43:45 <ais523> and apparently it was written in PL/I, which postdates COBOL and borrows a lot of syntax from it (including ALTER, apparently), it's basically a cross between COBOL and FORTRAN
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11:54:39 <wib_jonas> computed COME FROM is a joke. ordinary COME FROM is just weird syntax.
11:55:04 <ais523> no, ordinary COME FROM is also a joke
11:55:54 <ais523> the history's at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMEFROM
11:56:01 <wib_jonas> ais523: does ALTER work in a way that you can tell in compile time which goto statements may need to be modified, and which target labels they can point to?
11:56:10 <wib_jonas> because if so then it's not too bad
11:56:52 <wib_jonas> then it's just ordinary COME FROM plus ABSTAIN FROM level syntax, not computed COME FROM or computed ABSTAIN
11:57:22 <ais523> wib_jonas: yes, but you'd have to scan the entire source code to find what modifications could be made
11:57:52 <ais523> (also, apparently many COBOL implementations did actually implement it with self-modifying code rather than a jump table)
11:58:00 <wib_jonas> "I get the appeal of structured records" => we have SQL instead of them now, don't we?
11:59:00 <ais523> I think SQL has taken over as the most mainstream language for doing the things that COBOL was good at
11:59:10 <Corbin> wib_jonas: Think protobuf-style programming with big data. Say, processing video files. It's a structured record, and one of the fields happens to be way too big to fit into address space, but you can still iterate over the rest of the record and manipulate it.
11:59:47 <wib_jonas> Corbin: INTERCAL can't have ALTER, it would make subroutine returns too easy.
11:59:54 <ais523> although, in a way, SQL's control flow is even worse than COBOL's (it's TC, at least in common implementations, but normally inadvisable to write large programs in it – normally it's used as a DSL for programs in a saner language)
12:00:07 <ais523> wib_jonas: NEXT … RESUME #1 is incredibly easy as it is
12:00:21 <ais523> it's like the only form of control flow in INTERCAL that's actually sensible
12:00:46 <ais523> I suspect this was implemented in such an easy way so that the standard library would work, making it possible to actually do things like addition
12:01:18 <ais523> ooh, a computed RESUME-alike is apparently possible in PHP (something I discovered quite recently)
12:01:26 <ais523> you can use a computed break statement that breaks out of a variable number of loops
12:04:05 <wib_jonas> "huh, you can call a range of procedures that are consecutive in the source code" => yes, https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/Programming_languages_with_unusual_features#COBOL mentions that
12:08:07 <ais523> it mentions ALTER too
12:08:14 <ais523> I'd read it before, but hadn't appreciated the implications
12:09:23 <wib_jonas> perhaps the people who invented the language were used to programming in machine code in a non-reentrant way where modifying code for indexing or indirect jumps was common
12:10:33 <ais523> COBOL didn't support recursion for ages
12:11:11 <ais523> in fact, the semantics of a procedure call appear to be indistinguishable from "inject a command to goto the next line at the end of the procedure, jump to it, then remove the injected command upon returnign"
12:11:33 <ais523> (this is observable if you attempt to call procedures recursively)
12:11:44 <ais523> this makes me think that it was originally actually implemented like that, rather than using a stack
12:12:13 <ais523> (probably with the goto there permanently, just going to the next procedure in sequences so that range-calls worked)
12:15:47 <wib_jonas> ais523: I was recently looking at the https://esolangs.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer , and its instruction set seems modern in that it lets you do any indexing or indirection without self-modifying code, in multiply ways. This is probably because the code usually lives in a ROM, which is much bigger than the RAM because of hardware constraints,
12:15:47 <wib_jonas> though it can actually execute programs in the RAM with only a few limitations.
12:16:20 <ais523> IIRC computers in space are very vulnerable to bitflips
12:16:37 <ais523> and executing from RAM would be dangerous in that context, as just about anything might happen if a bitflip hit a command before it was about to execute
12:16:45 <ais523> so allowing as much as possible to be done in ROM would be safer
12:18:54 <wib_jonas> Sure, not just bitflips but a stray pointer could overwrite something in RAM, since they have arbitrary indexing (not quite since the RAM too is bank-switched). But I still think it's mostly that the ROM is much larger capacity, because the same capacity takes less physical space and mass.
12:19:36 <wib_jonas> But allowing to execute from the RAM still makes sense because they may want to change something in the program when it's too late to redo the ROM.
12:22:05 <ais523> right, it could be a method of recovering from bugs in the program
12:24:19 <wib_jonas> And IIUC some constant parameters of the mission are stored in the RAM, probably because they're too late to write to the ROM, eg. determined shortly before launch, though these are probably only data rather than code.
12:24:45 <ais523> I wonder how NASA's ROMs are programmed
12:24:54 <Corbin> Right. The ROM was hand-verified but had to be hand-packed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_rope_memory
12:25:20 <ais523> I was wondering if it was something more hardwired than fusible-link
12:25:36 <wib_jonas> ais523: it was hardwired, with something like a knitting machine,
12:25:50 <wib_jonas> weaving wires inside or outside rings depending on the value of each bit,
12:26:31 <wib_jonas> where there's several wires per ring so when a ring is activated with x and y address lines, a whole word is read simultaneously
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12:27:53 <wib_jonas> sending the two address lines together flips the magnetism in the large core ring, only in this case the magnetism of the core ring itself doesn't store the data, instead when you flip it, that induces current in those among the sense lines that are woven inside that ring and not the other sense lines, so you read a word that way\
12:28:33 <wib_jonas> it somehow comes out as more space efficient than core memory which stores only one bit per ring, though I don't understand how,
12:28:40 <ais523> oh wow, so it's like regular magnetic core memory, but some of the cores are missing entirely
12:28:54 <ais523> and you find out if the core is there by trying to write it and seeing if anything happens
12:29:20 <wib_jonas> because IIUC the rings for the core rope are much larger, and that should more than cancel out the increased number of bits per rings
12:29:31 <ais523> "normal" magnetic core memory is kind-of finicky, the original implementation required four wires through every core (but it was golfed down to three at some point)
12:29:53 <ais523> and it relies a lot on using currents that are only just strong enough to flip a ring if added together, so that you were only affecting a single ring
12:29:58 <wib_jonas> ais523: yes, but this way you get more than one bit per ring in a core rope, which isn't really possible in core memory
12:30:11 <ais523> with this ROM version, you can just flip an entire line as strongly as you like and you won't do any damage
12:31:07 <ais523> it's possible you don't even need a sense line – just flip the vertical address lines and see which of the horizontal address lines respond
12:31:12 <ais523> (or vice versa)
12:31:19 <wib_jonas> basically integrated circuits were really new at the time, and only had a few transitors per package, so it was kind of a risky decision to use them as logic in the AGC, and it contributed to hastening the integrated circuit industry
12:31:53 <wib_jonas> and because of this, IIUC there are zero flip-flops made of transistors in the computer, so even registers use core memory, thoguh probably simpler core memory with no separate x and y addressing
12:32:00 <ais523> oh I see, a fusible-link ROM needs some sort of diode to prevent the links just connecting all the wires to each oher
12:32:23 <wib_jonas> though also IIUC there are also some bits stored in relays, but that's more about the IO devices than the CPU
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12:33:52 <wib_jonas> ais523: yes, and so would a keyboard if you would want to allow to sense any set of keys pressed together completely at the same time, but that is expensive so most keyboards just don't handle that quite correctly, and the electronic is fast enough that you usually don't press keys quite at the same time, and they put the keys to the right rows and
12:33:53 <wib_jonas> columns that in practice this doesn't cause problems
12:34:06 <wib_jonas> for modern keyboards that is
12:35:25 <ais523> when I was younger, pressing too many keys at once on the keyboard would cause the CPU speaker to beep
12:35:41 <ais523> or, motherboard speaker, I don't think it's actually on the CPU
12:36:02 <ais523> I assumed this was because there were too many keys being pressed for the keyboard to reliably read them all
12:36:29 <wib_jonas> and IIUC in the 80s, that's why ROM chips cost money each time you change the content, but it was cheap to make many copies once the content was fixed, because the ROM ICs are made with a photographic method similar to PCBs now, only there the mask sets not just wires but transistors too\
12:37:04 <wib_jonas> in the 90s too to some extent
12:37:30 <wib_jonas> but since magnetic and optical disks sucked, it was still worth to make lots of ROMs for software
12:38:01 <ais523> we've had reprogrammable ROMs for a while, but it wouldn't surprise me if fixed-content ROMs were still cheaper in sufficiently large quantities
12:38:57 <wib_jonas> ais523: I believe this issue got solved *before* non-small reprogrammable roms got cheap enough, because RAM became cheap enough that you could load most of the program from a magnetic or optical disk to RAM and then it was fast
12:39:46 <ais523> but even nowadays games have massive loading times
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12:42:07 <wib_jonas> ais523: yes, but that's because the size of the games expanded as graphics cards became more capable; plus I hear that on the Nintendo Switch, games load slow if you load them directly from the external SD card that they're sold on, but fast if you install them from the SD card to the internal SSD
12:42:34 <ais523> right, consoles have internal SSDs nowadays in order to try to reduce loading
12:42:51 <wib_jonas> or internal hard disk, I don't really know, it's irrelevant\
12:43:04 <wib_jonas> the point is that the SD card that the game is sold on can be slow to reduce costs
12:43:13 <ais523> I actually stopped buying consoles at around the time they gained complex operating systems
12:43:25 <ais523> to me the advantage was that the console only plays which game is inside it and isn't otherwise stateful
12:43:35 <wib_jonas> and you should just install games to the internal storage. that's limited by the internal storage's capacity, but you can uninstall games so it's not a big problem.
12:43:41 <wib_jonas> I never *started* to buy consoles
12:43:43 <ais523> and if the console is going to start being stateful I may as well just use a PC
12:44:10 <wib_jonas> the only console I own is half of two Game Boys
12:44:54 <wib_jonas> (though of course my PC can emulate more old consoles if I download the right software)
12:45:51 <ais523> actually this was also about the same time that games started seriously adding more online features, which also drove me away from them
12:47:23 <wib_jonas> ais523: around what console are you talking about?
12:47:32 <ais523> DS→3DS transition
12:47:42 <wib_jonas> I see
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16:40:57 <riv> half of two Game Boys?
16:41:32 <riv> why not get 1 whole one? I think that will work better
16:47:15 <wib_jonas> riv: Two Game Boys that me and my brother got when we were children, so I and my brother own them shared. It's not defined which one is whose, and if one breaks (though this is unlikely now) then we'll both own half rather than one of us own one and the other zero.
16:47:53 <wib_jonas> The carts do have a nominal owner though, and I have the better ones.
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16:49:59 <riv> ahh that makes sense
16:50:01 <riv> :)
16:50:07 <riv> i have 3 gameboys i think, one is color
16:50:20 <riv> they seem good for messing with the hardware but i never did any mods
16:50:28 <riv> like changing the battery, or adding lights
16:50:50 <esolangs> [[HellLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91606&oldid=91599 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+32) Add category, WIP
16:55:21 <wib_jonas> I don't care about the Game Boys themselves except as a means to verify that the carts works. I have a todo for more than a year to replace the batteries in the carts that have them, to avoid corrosion, since the carts are like 25 years old now. I've even bought replacement batteries more than half a year ago.
16:55:47 <riv> why do you care that carts work?
16:56:21 <wib_jonas> I want to preserve the carts, and the Game Boy lets me test that I replaced the battery correctly.
16:56:29 <riv> ok
16:56:34 <riv> the roms have been dumped probably
16:56:39 <wib_jonas> Sure
16:56:51 <wib_jonas> but I feel like the carts should be preserved anyway
16:57:09 <wib_jonas> and replacing the battery every few decades is an easy and cheap enough way to do that
16:57:42 <wib_jonas> none of these carts with batteries are particularly rare, so yes, the roms have been dumped (the less common carts have no battery that is)
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17:10:08 <fizzie> I own the entirety of one Game Boy, and maybe 4-8 game cartridges for it.
17:10:22 <fizzie> Hypothetically, anyway. I'm not 100% sure where it is.
17:11:23 <Corbin> riv: Libraries of ROMs come from people who want to preserve their carts.
17:11:27 <wib_jonas> I'm also not sure where one of the two Game Boys that I halfway own is. But one that I halfway own \is enough.
17:11:44 <wib_jonas> Luckily I do seem to have all the carts, or maybe all but one.
17:12:24 <wib_jonas> Corbin: yes, though those are the carts where preserving is easier because there's no battery in the cart
17:13:08 <fizzie> I think I had Super Mario Lands 1 and 2, a tennis game, that one balloon game, the Duck Tales game, Tetris, that Qix game, and maybe a golf game.
17:13:18 <wib_jonas> (If you live in Europe and want to ROM dump Game Boy Tetris Blast and have the equipment for it, feel free to contact me.)
17:13:35 <wib_jonas> fizzie: what's the one balloon game? Bubble ghost?
17:14:08 <fizzie> The one where you're a person (a girl?) floating with two balloons, and then you can pop one and get by with one, and maybe even if that pops you might continue with some platforming perhaps.
17:14:16 <wib_jonas> Apparently "Balloon kid"
17:14:19 <fizzie> Balloon Kid, yes.
17:14:37 <wib_jonas> I've never heard of that, but the internet has.
17:16:19 <fizzie> I do own a DS Lite as well, and that one I know where it is. Those are the only two consoles I've owned. Assuming handhelds count.
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17:38:08 <esolangs> [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91607&oldid=91549 * PixelatedStarfish * (+46) /* Unimplemented Languages */
17:44:12 <esolangs> [[Fetus]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91608 * PixelatedStarfish * (+378) Created page with "[[Fetus]] is a [[Starstuff]] language. It uses a [[Starstuff]] compiler to convert any file into runnable [[Astridec]] code. Apart from that, there is not much more to say abo..."
17:47:29 <esolangs> [[Fetus]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91609&oldid=91608 * PixelatedStarfish * (+237) 
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18:34:17 <zzo38> I like the tsume shogi game on the Game Boy. But, I just use the emulation, which also include some games that might not be released on the cartridge, and modified versions. I do have Nintendo DS but the L and R button is broken.
18:35:18 <riv> that's cool. I like goro goro shogi also
18:40:02 <zzo38> But, for the hand held computing I like TI-92 which has a full keyboard, home screen with calculation, programming function, graphing function. Unfortunately is slow and no colours/sounds. If it can be done with colours (including plotting multiple functions at once you can distinguished by colours), date/time, assembly language, RS-232, also being command-line with calculations like TI-92 does, might be better a bit.
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18:52:21 <zzo38> If you know about some of the unusual features of COBOL, then you might also to enter them into the list of the programming languages with unusual features, that I had written about.
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20:28:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:Astridec]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91614 * Salpynx * (+730) Nested loops?
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21:31:56 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload  * SunnyMoon *  uploaded "[[File:1L a1.png]]": Output 1 when TL0 = 0
21:36:23 <esolangs> [[File:1L a1.png]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91618&oldid=91617 * SunnyMoon * (+0) Oops
21:37:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload  * SunnyMoon *  uploaded "[[File:1L a2.png]]": Output 1 when TL0 = 1
21:37:55 <esolangs> [[File:1L a2.png]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91620&oldid=91619 * SunnyMoon * (+0) What
21:39:27 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload  * SunnyMoon *  uploaded "[[File:1L a3.png]]": Output 1 when TL0 = 1
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21:41:07 <esolangs> [[File:1L a3.png]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91623&oldid=91621 * SunnyMoon * (+0) Ah
21:45:33 <esolangs> [[1L a]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91624&oldid=77485 * SunnyMoon * (+810) Been a while since I edited this wiki
21:56:29 <esolangs> [[Kernel]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91625 * Corbin * (+481) Stub a page about Shutt's language.
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01:58:54 <zzo38> SQL doesn't really have flow controls, although it has triggers and recursive CTEs, which are similar to flow controls, I suppose.
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09:19:12 <kspalaiologos> hiya, we've been thinking about bridging this channel and a separate channel on the Esolangs discord server using a bidirectional bridge
09:19:18 <riv> no
09:19:43 <kspalaiologos> just in case anything happened, both of the sides would have moderation tools to ban people from the bridge in case of rule violations
09:20:19 <kspalaiologos> we usually notice some issues with the wiki and i think that some conversations in this topic are really valuable and our community members could take part in them, while making the IRC channel a bit more alive
09:20:52 <kspalaiologos> what's your opinion on this?
09:22:10 <riv> i do not want it bridged
09:24:42 <kspalaiologos> fair, we're not up to anything without an explicit permission of most regulars here, can I know why?
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09:38:50 <wib_jonas> kspalaiologos: as long as you or someone actively maintains the bridge, I do support bridging, though of course you should rather ask the moderators here and in the Discord rather than me.
09:39:16 <kspalaiologos> I own the Discord server, and we've already settled that a bridge would be cool
09:39:30 <wib_jonas> wait, you own the discord server?
09:39:34 <kspalaiologos> yeah.
09:40:21 <kspalaiologos> https://0x0.st/ozSH.png
09:40:46 <wib_jonas> ah right, sorry. for some reason I thought at first that the Discord server is ancient so you can't possibly own it, but then I realized that no, the whole Discord is new, it's the newsgroup that's ancient
09:40:57 <wib_jonas> or mailing list, I'm fuzzy about the details
09:41:00 <kspalaiologos> there's around 500 people there, active - probably around 30, but i can assure that there won't be insane amounts of traffic here
09:41:27 <kspalaiologos> wib_jonas, I've been elected the owner in summer of 2020.
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10:15:09 <esolangs> [[Tweet]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91638&oldid=63955 * Squidmanescape * (+25) It is output-only.
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15:34:27 <Taneb> Did anything happen with esolangs cloaks
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16:00:16 <fizzie> Oh, right. No, I completely forgot about it. I'll look into it some day soon now that you've reminded me of it. For the record, if anyone else is interested, there was a proposed way of managing them at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:IRC_cloaks
16:18:27 <fizzie> And from the backscroll, re a Discord bridge, I don't have _much_ of an opinion either way. I think my main concern would be additional drama spilling over. I remember there was at least some small-scale edit warring going on in [[Esolang:Community portal]] re the two "servers". Bridging with one might be kind of taking sides. Assuming both still exist, anyway.
16:18:35 <fizzie> Also some concern re respecting the people who object to Discord on philosophical grounds and wouldn't want their comments go there. We had a filter for the Libera/freenode bridge to opt out, but that sort of thing's just a source of confusion.
16:19:20 <fizzie> Plus if it'd be one of those everyone-looks-like-a-single-IRC-nick bridges, they're just so... clunky. At least with Matrix users, you can most of the time not knor or care about how they're connecting. Except when they get a little too enthusiastic about replies, edits or attachments.
16:19:40 <wib_jonas> fizzie: I don't see why that would be taking sides. More than one Discord can be bridged at the same time. That's like saying that since we have HackEso, you're taking sides against other evaluator bots.
16:24:20 <fizzie> I just mean bridging with one but not the other would be conveying a notion of "officialness". And even an entirely neutral "we'll bridge with any esolangs-themed Discord 'server' who asks" policy doesn't mean the channel would stay free of any, well, small-d discord.
16:24:50 <fizzie> FTR, I've no idea if there's still any sort of trouble there, or even if both of the places mentioned on the wiki are still active.
16:28:06 <fizzie> (Also I'm aware using the quotes around "server" is quite petty, since it's the official term they use; I just can't help myself.)
16:28:33 <Corbin> It's not petty, but unambiguous. Discord is at fault for trying to redefine "server".
16:29:05 <Corbin> I get the impression that the contributors who idle on Discord are largely neophytes; they are just getting started with design and theory of programming languages.
16:29:45 <wib_jonas> Does having a brainfuck evaluator bot mean that we officially endorse brainfuck as a good language, fungot? What if I bring in an evaluator bot for a silly brainfuck-alike?
16:29:46 <fungot> wib_jonas: main() calls two functions i mentioned?! are quite unsafe. static versus dynamic types, so you actually *recall* our insanity. " hey, you should
16:30:04 <Corbin> It would be good to have a way to reach out to them and spread the culture of computer science. Maybe we'll get higher-quality contributions as a result.
16:30:41 <wib_jonas> And I don't think it's "we'll bridge", rather it's "we allow you to bridge". You don't have to promise to maintain bridges.
16:31:10 <fizzie> fungot: What about you, how'd you feel about a Discord bridge? Would it be the worst thing since sliced bread? 
16:31:10 <fungot> fizzie: the likelihood of that happening? haven't seen them used. c and c++
16:31:25 <wib_jonas> Endorsing would be eg. if we mentioned that discord in the limited space of the channel topic or the channel relcome message.
16:31:30 <fizzie> fungot: I mean, I know some channels do do it, it's not _that_ outlandish.
16:31:30 <fungot> fizzie: i collect lucky palships. it's a 16-bit machine with a tape length limited to the definition of the function
16:31:48 <wib_jonas> And obviously we can still ban the bridge if it causes trouble, it's not a wildcard promise.
16:36:01 <riv> I would prefer no discord bridge. If you wanted to go on the discord you can just go on there, if you want to go on IRC you can just join here
16:36:14 <riv> I do not think we need "more activity" here, this channel is fine
16:37:06 <riv> yes there is often drama and warring over multiple discords that are dedicated to the same topic.. this happened with the programming language dev community
16:37:10 <wib_jonas> riv: you can always ignore the bridge, just as you could ignore the esowiki announcer bot now
16:37:26 <riv> ignoring it doesn't make it go away
16:39:25 <Corbin> riv: Similarly, ignoring their contributions to the wiki won't make them stop contributing.
16:40:14 <riv> I don't know what you mean by that
16:42:50 <Corbin> riv: https://esolangs.org/wiki/GibMeRol
16:46:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite  * SunnyMoon *  uploaded a new version of "[[File:1L a4.png]]": Mistake fix
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17:50:39 <b_jonas> So back in the good old days, our channel used to have two independent active public logs, one with search functionality (an instance of the logs was mounted to HackEgo's fs), and three web IRC clients (qwebirc, old Kiwi, and Mibbit). 
17:51:41 <b_jonas> I liked that. Two logbots added redundancy in that we didn't lose data when one was not connected; log search function meant we could find useful old conversations; and web irc clients let us get new contributors, who were not previously familiar with IRC, hooked up.
17:52:05 <b_jonas> Now we have nly one logbot, no online search feature, and only one webirc server (new Kiwi). 
17:52:42 <b_jonas> riv: considering that, if someone were to offer to maintain a logbot with basic keyword search feature and a web client, but this wasn't also a bridge to a community, would you still dislike that?
17:53:12 <riv> I don't mind log bot keyword search
17:53:46 <b_jonas> (We also had free travel within Europe and four simultaneous rotations of the Earth within 24 hours allowing me to be both productive and refreshed at the same time, but that's not really concerned with #esoteric )
18:12:05 <zzo38> Maybe if logs would be available by a SQL virtual table or a ZIP or other archive file that you can download all logs (to search by your own computer afterward), might do, but will need to support incremental copies to download only data that you do not already have in order to not waste bandwidth to redownload them every time since you should not need to do that.
18:14:07 <zzo38> And about bridge with Discord, perhaps the reason you mention might be the reason to not to do, but I don't really care that much, as long as the IRC is working
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18:20:25 <zzo38> What is it if, during each step, (a,b)->(abs(a-(a XOR b)),abs(b-(a XOR b))) ?
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20:02:35 <Sgeo> "Apologies if you were a diehard Comic Sans fan." -- Rich Burlew
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21:15:06 <esolangs> [[User:Kevidryon2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91645 * Kevidryon2 * (+153) Created my own user page
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22:00:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:1L a]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91647&oldid=77472 * Salpynx * (+227) found the link
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22:40:41 <esolangs> [[BinaryBefunge]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91651&oldid=85914 * Squidmanescape * (+94) 
22:40:52 <esolangs> [[BinaryBefunge]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91652&oldid=91651 * Squidmanescape * (+0) /* Interpreter */
22:41:12 <esolangs> [[BinaryBefunge]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91653&oldid=91652 * Squidmanescape * (+25) 
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00:14:43 <ais523> I've had good experiences with IRC/Discord bridges in the past
00:15:01 <ais523> basically because they reduce the amount of incentive to actually use Discord
00:16:23 <ais523> the bridge probably helps both sides to stay on topic? not sure
00:17:22 <ais523> re: logbots, I only just realised that the Freenode collapse would have caused the legacy logbots to finally stop their work
00:18:48 <ais523> I guess it might also be helpful to get visibility into the really rapid rate of new half-baked esolangs going onto the wiki…
01:12:31 <fizzie> Do they do it like the Libera.Chat <-> Matrix bridge, that Discord participants look like separate people on IRC, or not? Because the latter is a pretty jarring experience IMO. Especially if the majority of discussion happens "over there".
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01:27:44 <ais523> fizzie: the bridge I'm used to sends everything through a single bot on IRC
01:27:44 <ais523> although with a very short name
01:27:44 <ais523> you get used to it quite quickly
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03:35:07 <fizzie> I'm on a (different network) channel where Discord is bridged by a bot called "dx", and it's not the length of the nickname, it's the lack of all the quality-of-life IRC client features.
03:35:12 <fizzie> Missing nick colors for the people beyond the bridge, nicknames rendered in the "wrong place" and text not aligned right, no tab completion for them either, the nickname prefix making it impossible for them to invoke bot commands that require a prefix (well, maybe that's a feature rather than a bug). Maybe a few others too.
03:35:52 <fizzie> I know there's client-side scripting workarounds for at least some of them, but that'd involve effort.
03:47:04 <zzo38> I am also on a IRC server that is only meant for the purpose of being bridged by Discord, and all of the names appear as IRC names. However, private messages between IRC and Discord do not work (so people on the IRC can only send private messages to other people on the IRC, and people on the Discord can only send private messages to other people on the Discord). Do you know how to make private messages work?
04:00:41 <esolangs> [[Patternfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91655&oldid=90246 * Robolta * (-9) Changed URCL link
04:09:39 <fizzie> I don't have anything to do with running the bridge; I think it's just an instance of matterbridge. But in any case I imagine it's probably quite different when it's done with server assistance, this one is just a bot connected to a regular IRC network.
04:17:31 <zzo38> I do not have any problem with the features you listed since I do not use them; of course that may be significant for you and for other people, but some people including myself do not use these features.
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05:36:13 <razetime_> aren't big important pages like Brainfuck and thue supposed to be edit protected
05:42:35 <int-e> no
05:44:04 <razetime_> i see
05:52:37 <esolangs> [[User:Grande1900]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91657 * Grande1900 * (+342) Created page with "Hello, I am Grande1900 and I am here mainly just to make small edits here and there, and also add my BrainFuck variant: .........................................................."
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10:11:32 <razetime_> hello there logos
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11:41:37 <kspalaiologos> razetime, hi
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14:18:44 <razetime> ah, the new golflang
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15:40:19 <imode> http://www.fraglets.net/
15:40:39 <imode> wonder if this is turing complete if you restrict symbols.
15:45:35 <esolangs> [[APOL]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91659&oldid=91658 * GingerIndustries * (+166) /* Instruction table */
15:57:11 <int-e> 5 1/2 years of research
16:06:42 <Corbin> I'm reading the introductory paper. It seems like the O(1) interpreter is a bit of a lie; it's O(n) for n fraglets to consider. That's better than quadratic-time, yes, but it's not constant-time.
16:09:55 <int-e> you got further than I did
16:11:39 <Corbin> I've read a *lot* of network-concurrency crankery, I guess.
16:13:10 <int-e> As a computer scientist I wonder: How can you do this and not even cite Milner (pi-calculus and CCS) and/or Hoare (CSP) and possibly a couple of others. This research is from a parallel universe...
16:14:31 <Corbin> Yes, it's from a world where delivery is unreliable. This is a big division in CS that I've noticed, and people get *very* angry if you remind them that the other half exists.
16:15:02 <int-e> Sad.
16:15:16 <Corbin> CSP is great for talking about e.g. Go's concurrency within a single machine. There, delivery is so reliable and quick that we can trust it.
16:15:55 <Corbin> Whereas the example that they use in this paper is about ack'ing an unreliably-delivered packet. Simple stuff but clearly from a different line of research.
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16:18:02 <int-e> Surely you could at least have a common syntax :-/ Oh well... that's not how academia works.
16:19:17 <int-e> You get more research grant money if you can convince the world that you're breaking new ground rather than extending something old in a particular direction.
16:34:46 <esolangs> [[User:Sporeball]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91660&oldid=82021 * Sporeball * (+15) lowercase myself
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16:36:06 <esolangs> [[User:Sporeball]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91661&oldid=91660 * Sporeball * (-1) remove extra break?
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16:39:21 <Corbin> I kept reading. http://www.fraglets.net/pres/o1_2007-01-29.pdf explains how they get an average-case O(1) interpreter even with n fraglets in the system already. They admit that it has worst-case O(n) behavior, so it's not magic.
16:47:46 <imode> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4369014_Self-Replicating_and_Self-Modifying_Programs_in_Fraglets
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21:04:53 <b_jonas> "You get more research grant money if you can convince the world that you're breaking new ground rather than extending something old in a particular direction." => yes, in your grand proposals you both have to pretend that you're attempting completely new research that nobody has done before, but also that it will definitely work at the exact specs that you give and not something risky that might not 
21:04:59 <b_jonas> work out at the end. you need to learn to be a particular kind of crazy to be able to write them.
21:05:25 <b_jonas> I've met these because I live in east europe so some of our projects are partly funded by EU grants
21:07:38 <b_jonas> And of course those aren't the most important criteria: the most important is that you have to print all documentation and source code on paper in three copies, the CEO must sign both sides of every sheet of paper (even empty pages), and they have to be in a ring binder with a nice cover.
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07:37:17 <zzo38> About using ALTER on COME FROM in INTERCAL, I think some variants of INTERCAL have a "computed COME FROM" that you can specify to read the number from a variable, so it is possible to alter a COME FROM in this way, I should think.
07:38:42 <zzo38> I think that INTERCAL's "select" operator is sometimes useful in other programs (although it would seem to be rare, as far as I know)
07:40:27 <zzo38> (Some also have NEXT FROM; maybe there is also the "computed NEXT FROM", too)
07:46:38 <zzo38> I had recently mentioned a mathematical question. I wrote the program to test it:   ARGUMENTS {cvi} forall {2 copy xor exch 1 index sub abs 3 1 roll sub abs 2 copy 2 array astore ==} repeat
07:47:26 <zzo38> Some numbers take many steps before they will become stable, but some take only a few steps.
07:49:18 <zzo38> And, what is the most unusual kinds of control flow that you can make up in esolangs?
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08:29:22 <b_jonas> zzo38: I wanted to say that perl allows a computed goto but not a computed next, but it seems this is true only for perl before version 5.18
08:29:47 <b_jonas> I stopped following perl so I didn't know they changed that
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00:22:25 <fizzie> Hmm. If you've got a female HDMI to a male DVI-D adapter, why's the DVI side have all the dual-link pins populated in the first place, when the HDMI connector has pins only for three data pairs? Are they just N/C? 
00:24:25 <fizzie> (I've got one cable that's HDMI on one end and DVI in the other, and it's missing the middle dual-link data pins, which makes sense. But I'd like to use the DVI output for a thing that's got an integrated HDMI cable, so I've been looking at adapters instead, and all the pictures I've seen have had fully populated DVI-D connectors on the DVI side.)
00:28:34 <Hooloovoo> I believe they're n/c and that some adapters will omit those pins
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06:04:05 <int-e> https://jalopnik.com/honda-clocks-are-stuck-20-years-in-the-past-and-this-mi-1848306970 is mind-boggling. what could they have plausibly messed up that breaks this on 2022-01-01 and fixes itself again (I guess; that's how you get a date in August) 1024 weeks after 2002-01-01?
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09:30:49 <b_jonas> fizzie: that might be because both video cards and monitors have female sockets, but that cable only works one way (out of DVI card to HDMI monitor or HDMI card to DVI monitor) and the extra plugs in the cable makes it less likely that you can plug it in backwards?
09:31:22 <b_jonas> fizzie: alternately it's for mechanical stability so the plug doesn't easily get pulled off
09:31:31 <b_jonas> although that would make more sense for the HDMI side than the DVI
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16:26:11 <fizzie> I guess one more explanation is, it's cheaper to make just one kind of DVI-D connector, so it's also cheaper for the people making the adapters to buy the dual-link ones even though they've got extra pins.
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16:59:25 <Guest5123> Hi im new to IRC, I just wanna ask, does esolangs.org accept non-english esolangs as submissions?
17:00:44 <razetime> what exactly does that mean?
17:00:46 <kit_ten> i think there was a toki pona esolang so ya
17:01:03 <Guest5123> I have a plan to make an esolang, but i need it to be in Malay cuz english just doesn't have the linguistic features needed for this esolang
17:01:09 <razetime> go ahead
17:01:10 <Guest5123> ohh ok nice
17:01:21 <Guest5123> But the documentation has to be in English?
17:01:55 <int-e> Yeah, the wiki language is english.
17:02:23 <Guest5123> Ok! thanks for the replies!
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17:05:01 <tromp> what is a minimal base in Combinatory Logic?
17:06:10 <tromp> rather, what is the shortest one?
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17:11:22 <riv> there are one combinator basis
17:11:32 <riv> XX = S, X(XX) = K stuff like that
17:16:26 <tromp> but what is the smallest possible X?
17:17:09 <tromp> can X be smaller than the sumsize of S and K ?
17:17:41 <riv> oh smallest as a lambda term you mean
17:17:50 <tromp> exactly
17:17:52 <riv> I never thought about that
17:18:01 <tromp> whose size we can measure in bits
17:18:23 <tromp> S is 30 bits, K is 7 bits
17:18:32 <riv> interesting question
17:18:32 <tromp> oops, I mean S is 23 bits
17:18:48 <riv> it could be a small lambda term that you can make S and K out of using a complex exprsesion
17:18:54 <riv> (hypothetically)
17:18:57 <tromp> sumsize of {S,K} is 30 bits
17:19:04 <int-e> tromp: so you're measuring in BLC size?
17:19:09 <tromp> yep
17:19:12 <int-e> I see.
17:19:17 <riv> so we need to prove small lambda terms are not basis'
17:19:24 <riv> obviously the identity is not one
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17:21:23 <tromp> what is an absolute lower bound on the size of a minimal base?
17:21:41 <riv> we also know K is not one on its own
17:21:47 <riv> do you have a list of the lambda terms in size order
17:21:51 <tromp> it would be larger than S...
17:22:03 <riv> how do you know that?
17:23:13 <tromp> because it needs at least 3 lambdas
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17:23:30 <tromp> and one duplicated variable
17:23:55 <tromp> and 2 more preserved ones
17:25:09 <riv> I see
17:25:24 <riv> that's a great point
17:26:16 <tromp> also needs an unpreserved variable
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17:33:10 <tromp> spoller: smaller than sumsize of S and K is possible
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17:54:47 <riv> :O nice
17:54:55 <riv> that's already an exciting result
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01:12:05 <zzo38> What should I call the new alternative of RDF that I had invented, and what other changes should I make to the specification?
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01:15:23 <imode> what does it look like?
01:17:01 <zzo38> http://sprunge.us/B9aUdF
01:17:33 <zzo38> One change I may consider is to use 23-bit code page numbers instead of IBM code page numbers; the 23-bit code page numbers are a superset of the IBM code page numbers.
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05:10:46 <esolangs> [[User:ProjectEuler/pagebar]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91811&oldid=91810 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+411) Fixed pagebar
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05:16:38 <esolangs> [[User:ProjectEuler/pagebar]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91813&oldid=91812 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+45) main
05:19:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:SunnyMoon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91814&oldid=86462 * TwilightSparkle * (-2573) Replaced content with "[[!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms#Get_Integer]]  Why did you put such a horribly long snippet there? I replaced it with a naive implementation.  p. s. multiply by constant can be do..."
05:19:11 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/1]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91815&oldid=91575 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+47) Added pagebar
05:24:45 <esolangs> [[!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91816&oldid=91802 * TwilightSparkle * (-18) /* Get Integer */
05:25:43 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/2]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91817&oldid=90544 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+132) Added Mathworld and pagebar
05:27:22 <esolangs> [[!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91818&oldid=91816 * TwilightSparkle * (-1) /* Get Integer */ -1 byte
05:29:56 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/3]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91819&oldid=91265 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+228) Added Mathworld and pagebar
05:46:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Project Euler/1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91820 * TwilightSparkle * (+146) Created page with "Does printing the answer directly count? ~~~~"
05:53:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Project Euler/1]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91821&oldid=91820 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+241) 
05:56:36 <esolangs> [[!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91822&oldid=91818 * TwilightSparkle * (-7) /* Get Integer */
06:12:46 <esolangs> [[!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91823&oldid=91822 * TwilightSparkle * (+52) 
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06:34:27 <esolangs> [[!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91825&oldid=91824 * TwilightSparkle * (+10) 
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07:23:02 <impomatic> There's a Core War tournament next month http://www.corewar.info/tournament/CGM1/
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08:10:31 <esolangs> [[(top, height)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91826&oldid=91577 * Squidmanescape * (+0) /* Hello, World! */
08:14:47 <esolangs> [[(top, height)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91827&oldid=91826 * Squidmanescape * (+151) /* Hello, World! */ Changed what it said to be accurate and get rid of an extraneous colon.
08:15:36 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91828&oldid=91419 * Squidmanescape * (+0) /* (top, height) */ Got rid of extraneous comma.
08:35:21 <esolangs> [[Ttttt]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91829&oldid=90074 * Squidmanescape * (-1) /* Hello, world */
08:36:29 <esolangs> [[(top, height)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91830&oldid=91827 * Squidmanescape * (+25) /* Implementations */
08:55:55 <esolangs> [[Squi~~le]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91831&oldid=77251 * Squidmanescape * (+50) 
09:10:36 <esolangs> [[+]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91832&oldid=91630 * Squidmanescape * (+283) /* Computational class */
09:11:36 <esolangs> [[+]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91833&oldid=91832 * Squidmanescape * (+6) /* Computational class */ typographical error
09:30:58 <esolangs> [[!@$%^&*()+]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91834&oldid=88031 * TwilightSparkle * (-926) Rewriting the whole article
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10:16:35 <esolangs> [[User:Grande1900]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91840&oldid=91839 * Grande1900 * (+14) 
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10:42:27 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91843&oldid=91842 * A casual user * (+0) 
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12:14:21 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91844&oldid=91796 * Peter * (+196) 
12:15:24 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91845&oldid=91844 * Peter * (+58) 
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12:15:49 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91846 * Peter * (+256) Created page with "'''Byte-based Instruction Jumping''' (BIJ, pronounced ''Bee-Jay'') is a self-modifying [[esoteric programming language]] created by me ([[User:Peter]]). It was created during..."
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12:42:16 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91847&oldid=91846 * Peter * (+1721) 
12:42:35 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91848&oldid=91847 * Peter * (-2) 
12:43:45 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91849&oldid=91848 * Peter * (+41) /* Instructions */
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13:10:47 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91850&oldid=91849 * Peter * (+3) /* Language Overview */
13:19:55 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91851&oldid=91850 * Peter * (+848) /* Instructions */
13:20:45 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91852&oldid=91851 * Peter * (-156) /* Instructions */
13:38:19 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91853&oldid=91852 * Peter * (+2117) /* Instructions */
13:43:17 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91854&oldid=91853 * Peter * (+669) 
13:44:18 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91855&oldid=91854 * Peter * (+48) 
13:49:40 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91856&oldid=91855 * Peter * (+1487) /* Example programs */
13:58:36 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91857&oldid=91856 * Peter * (+882) /* Example programs */
14:01:35 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91858&oldid=91857 * Peter * (+786) /* Example programs */
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14:07:48 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91859&oldid=91858 * Peter * (+643) /* Example programs */
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14:24:07 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91860&oldid=91859 * Peter * (+1957) /* Example programs */
14:24:42 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91861&oldid=91860 * Peter * (+1) /* Truth machine */
14:29:48 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91862&oldid=91861 * Peter * (+341) Redirected page to [[BIJ]]
14:30:12 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91863&oldid=91862 * Peter * (-18) Removed redirect to [[BIJ]]
14:31:04 <esolangs> [[BIJ]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91864 * Peter * (+44) Redirected page to [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]
14:31:28 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91865&oldid=91863 * Peter * (+0) /* Interpreters */
14:38:18 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91866&oldid=91865 * Peter * (+220) 
14:38:36 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91867&oldid=91866 * Peter * (+0) /* Interpreters */
14:39:10 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91868&oldid=91867 * Peter * (+0) /* Interpreters */
14:41:51 <esolangs> [[User:Peter]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91869 * Peter * (+69) Created page with "I'm Peter. I've made an esolang :) [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]"
14:43:16 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91870&oldid=91868 * Peter * (-18) /* Interpreters */
14:56:25 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91871&oldid=91870 * Peter * (+829) 
14:56:46 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91872&oldid=91871 * Peter * (+3) /* Ascii Table */
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15:16:19 <esolangs> [[User:Peter]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91874&oldid=91869 * Peter * (+27) 
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15:32:57 <esolangs> [[SRL++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91875&oldid=89066 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) /* Conditional jumps */ add category
15:32:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91876&oldid=91795 * Otesunki * (+161) 
15:37:01 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91877&oldid=91873 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+39) /* Ascii Table */ Make code block scrollable
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16:09:12 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91879&oldid=91845 * Jiaminglimjm * (+331) add intro
16:10:37 <esolangs> [[User:Inferno/foresolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91880&oldid=91319 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+82) Add categories
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17:08:30 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91881&oldid=91843 * A casual user * (-25) 
17:09:20 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91882&oldid=91881 * A casual user * (+4) 
17:10:02 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91883&oldid=91882 * A casual user * (+0) 
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17:16:51 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91886&oldid=91885 * A casual user * (+18) 
17:18:32 <esolangs> [[User:A casual user]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91887&oldid=91744 * A casual user * (+8) 
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17:41:59 <esolangs> [[Dashes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91890&oldid=91570 * DigitalDetective47 * (+6069) /* Implementations */ Added new official interpreter
17:43:18 <esolangs> [[User:DigitalDetective47]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91891&oldid=91485 * DigitalDetective47 * (-30) /* Languages */ Updated implementation status of Dashes
17:45:38 <esolangs> [[User:DigitalDetective47]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91892&oldid=91891 * DigitalDetective47 * (+216) Cancelled interpreters for Expressions and PRG.
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19:09:29 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91895&oldid=91889 * A casual user * (-2) 
19:10:07 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91896&oldid=91895 * A casual user * (-4) 
19:10:27 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91897&oldid=91896 * A casual user * (+4) 
19:11:23 <esolangs> [[Minskyfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91898 * Otesunki * (+2537) Created page with "'''Minskyfuck''' is an esolang made by [[User:Otesunki|User:Otesunki]] ([[User talk:Otesunki|talk]]) based loosely on [[Minsky machines]]. It has two registers called R1 and R..."
19:12:00 <esolangs> [[Minskyfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91899&oldid=91898 * Otesunki * (+15) 
19:14:28 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91900&oldid=91897 * A casual user * (-12) 
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20:01:27 <esolangs> [[Highways]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91901&oldid=91422 * DigitalDetective47 * (+127) /* Cars */ Changed the format for the crash error message
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20:32:12 <esolangs> [[Minskyfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91902&oldid=91899 * Otesunki * (+48) update
20:33:41 <esolangs> [[Minskyfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91903&oldid=91902 * Otesunki * (+1) interpreter was borken
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20:54:51 <esolangs> [[User:DigitalDetective47]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91904&oldid=91892 * DigitalDetective47 * (-283) Changed current project message
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22:33:22 <esolangs> [[Minskyfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91905&oldid=91903 * Otesunki * (+428) i failed to understand my own esolang
22:36:30 <esolangs> [[Minskyfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91906&oldid=91905 * Otesunki * (+10) i failed to understand my own spec
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00:01:11 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91909&oldid=91908 * PixelatedStarfish * (-6) /* Language Paradigm and Memory */
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00:45:05 <esolangs> [[THROW THIS TO THAT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91910&oldid=91741 * Esolang1 * (+18) Added category: OISC
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00:52:35 <esolangs> [[TUBSOIL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91911&oldid=91126 * Esolang1 * (+18) Fixed typo: 'onyl"
01:09:28 <esolangs> [[User:DigitalDetective47/WIP]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91912&oldid=91400 * DigitalDetective47 * (+76) 
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06:53:50 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91916&oldid=91915 * Peter * (+1) /* Language Overview */
06:56:01 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91917&oldid=91916 * Peter * (+2) /* Instructions */
06:56:35 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91918&oldid=91917 * Peter * (+0) /* Instructions */
06:58:06 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91919&oldid=91918 * Peter * (+57) /* Instructions */
06:59:11 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91920&oldid=91919 * Peter * (-3) /* Instructions */
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10:11:34 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91924&oldid=91879 * Tesseract1729 * (+97) Added my introduction
10:13:26 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91925&oldid=91924 * Tesseract1729 * (+31) 
10:14:00 <esolangs> [[Malbolge Unshackled]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91926&oldid=80904 * Tesseract1729 * (+24) Fixed link
10:28:54 <esolangs> [[User:Palaiologos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91927&oldid=91634 * Tesseract1729 * (-3) Fixed chess engine link
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11:46:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91930&oldid=91876 * Otesunki * (+450) /* Shouldn't level 5 be TC? */
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13:03:06 <esolangs> [[+]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91931&oldid=91833 * TwilightSparkle * (-3) Undo revision 91630 by [[Special:Contributions/Squidmanescape|Squidmanescape]] ([[User talk:Squidmanescape|talk]]) It's not FSA cuz the accumulator have inf states
13:04:35 <esolangs> [[+]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91932&oldid=91931 * TwilightSparkle * (-289) p. s. consider minsky machine which have 2 accumulators and is TC
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13:35:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Project Euler/1]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91934&oldid=91933 * TwilightSparkle * (+44) 
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14:05:21 <esolangs> [[SimpleScript]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91936&oldid=69265 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+175) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the SimpleScript programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented.
14:06:00 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91937&oldid=91935 * Peter * (+1) /* Infinite loop */
14:08:29 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91938 * Umnikos * (+2734) Create page
14:08:42 <esolangs> [[SimpleScript]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91939&oldid=91936 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+1403) Extended the introduction section, introduced a description of the architecture, reformatted the commands as a table, and added three example programs.
14:09:34 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91940&oldid=91938 * Umnikos * (-3) program deque -> code deque
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14:14:01 <esolangs> [[Quiner]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91941&oldid=91940 * Umnikos * (-81) Turns out esolang wiki pages for Quine and Deque exist
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14:23:55 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91943&oldid=91937 * Peter * (-1) /* Example instruction */
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14:35:32 <wib_jonas> TIL that there's a pokémon whose sprite look like it's holding out a middle finger in some generation 6 and 7 pokémon games. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Spr_6x_089_s.png
14:38:13 <riv> that's Muk!
14:42:34 <wib_jonas> Muk, yes. And I think it looks even more suggestive in Pokémon Let's go Pikachu: https://i.stack.imgur.com/5KEK5.jpg
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14:55:37 <esolangs> [[Quiner]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91944&oldid=91942 * Umnikos * (-17) Improve (shorten) cat program
14:58:21 <esolangs> [[Quiner]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91945&oldid=91944 * Umnikos * (-35) Refactor the "a is greater than the number of characters" edge case outside of the list of instructions (since the problem is present in every single one of them)
15:00:23 <esolangs> [[Quiner]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91946&oldid=91945 * Umnikos * (-25) Remove "not quite finished" because there isn't much to finish
15:02:09 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91947&oldid=91946 * Umnikos * (+13) a -> <code>a</code>
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16:06:48 <esolangs> [[Quiner]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91949&oldid=91947 * Umnikos * (+74) Add example program for +
16:08:43 <esolangs> [[Quiner]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91950&oldid=91949 * Umnikos * (+56) Clarify "a/?"
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19:09:39 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91951&oldid=91900 * A casual user * (+307) 
19:15:48 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91952&oldid=91951 * A casual user * (+21) 
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19:39:50 <zzo38> They are holding all of their fingers up I think, they only have three finger and that it is how is doing. Still it could be done the other way, like earlier generations is a bit differently
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20:31:54 <Melvar`> Those aren’t sprites though. They’re 3d models.
20:33:05 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91953&oldid=91952 * A casual user * (+0) 
20:34:14 <Melvar`> And that’s a specific frame of their animation, of course.
20:37:11 <zzo38> Yes, and such a thing can happen with frames of animation/video in other cases too
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21:02:45 <riv> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBWgFCi7NLk little bit about the lego brick separator
21:02:56 <riv> I never really did lego but I think the brick separator is good
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21:53:02 <esolangs> [[Borsch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91954&oldid=56786 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+4) Fix category
21:53:36 <esolangs> [[Borsch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91955&oldid=91954 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) m
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22:28:34 <Corbin> Is it known/understood/named that programs in Turing-complete programming languages don't necessarily *have* static types? Somebody asked me to explain it to them, and I'd like to just point them at the literature if possib.e
22:28:40 <Corbin> *possible, even~
22:29:27 <Corbin> Like, this old post of mine, surely it's not novel? https://lobste.rs/s/esfr31/is_c_type_safe_there_s_two_right_answers#c_y5sf4s
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23:03:23 <fizzie> Razzum frazzum, IPv6 broke again the same way it's done in the past, where if I tcpdump on the router, I can see outgoing DHCPv6 solicitations and ICMP6 but nothing at all comes back.
23:03:40 <fizzie> Last time I had a long email thread with the ISP's support, but they were pretty much entirely unhelpful, because I'm not using their designated box. And when I _did_ eventually plug it in, it started working again. So it feels like there's something very particular it does that they require, but nobody can tell me what that is.
23:04:02 <fizzie> I did some packet captures last time between their router and the wall too, and everything seemed substantially similar, though of course the packet's aren't quite identical (different MAC addresses and a few other details in the packets).
23:10:22 <int-e> Hmm. Somewhat related... I wonder whether the lambdabot host still has the IPv6 problem I worked around almost 4 1/2 years ago... which had to to with IPv6 neighbour discovery (ugh, no, I don't quite remember the details) and which I solved by hard-coding a neighbour entry into the network config.
23:12:43 <int-e> probably unrelated beyond "weird IPv6 problem"
23:13:44 <b_jonas> Corbin: I don't really understand that question.
23:15:34 <int-e> fizzie: the symptoms of which were: if IPv6 went unused for half an hour (a common scenario because lambdabot connected to freenode over IPv4) then the first outgoing IPv6 connection would fail, but the second one would succeed.
23:17:22 <int-e> I remember figuring out that the neighbour entry for the gateway router would expire (that's the half an hour part of it), and then failed trying to understand whose fault that was, and whether the router shouldn't be announcing itself regularly and... well, eventually implemented that workaround without ever resolving the question of how it *should* work.
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23:21:55 <int-e> fizzie: Anyway, I can sympathize with having IPv6 trouble :)
23:22:31 <Corbin> b_jonas: Yeah, it seems like something not talked about much. I'm not sure if it's just not practical to discuss, or if it's a genuine blind spot for language designers.
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23:36:53 <fizzie> Meh. I'm trying to take some new packet captures between their box and the wall socket, but now my laptop's just saying "no carrier" when I try to plug it in-between.
23:38:17 <int-e> oh fungot where are you in these dire times of need (lemme guess that's what you're trying to fix)
23:39:36 <int-e> the physical layer is even more of a mystery than the data link layer
23:40:53 <int-e> which I don't understand much either... the network layer is where I have an inkling of a clue
23:54:43 <fizzie> Oh, I didn't even think of fungot.
23:54:55 <fizzie> I think it should fall back to IPv4 properly though.
23:55:07 <fizzie> I've just been plugging and unplugging things so it's probably not up right now.
23:56:03 <fizzie> Actually, it won't, because I've got `pf=ip6` in the socat command, for some reason I can't quite recall.
23:56:43 <fizzie> At any rate, I managed to get the bridge and capture thing working, but this time I didn't get a working IPv6 address even with the ISP's box.
23:57:31 <fizzie> Guess I'll write to them again. It's just that chances are they'll again ask me to plug their thing in so that they can poke at it, which is fair enough, but not what I'd want to use.

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00:10:06 <Hooloovoo> fizzie, what kind of internet is it? fiber/cable/dsl?
00:11:27 <fizzie> It's a "fiber somewhere in the huge apartment building complex, gigabit Ethernet from there" thing by Hyperoptic, a UK ISP that specializes particularly to multi-subscriber apartment blocks in big(gish) UK cities.
00:12:49 <Hooloovoo> ah. ok. I lived in a rough equivalent of one of those a few years ago and it sucked. couldn't get any inbound ports open or anything
00:14:13 <fizzie> Hyperoptic's generally pretty reasonable. No traffic shaping (other than to whatever rate I'm paying for), no mandatory firewalls, a single fixed IPv4 address and a /56 fixed block of IPv6 addresses.
00:14:32 <Hooloovoo> yeah, that's pretty good
00:14:46 <fizzie> And in terms of technical support, they're a little better than the big players. But not quite as good as the real "enthusiast" ISPs.
00:18:43 <Hooloovoo> what are you doing for taps/packet captures? I've used 10/100 star taps a fair amount in the past and they've worked pretty well. a full gigabit tap is somewhat harder since the specs are a lot more stringent
00:23:23 <fizzie> I just interpose a Linux system with >= 2 Ethernet interfaces between the wall socket and the WAN outlet of their "Hyperhub", configure it to act as the plainest layer-2 bridge it knows to be, and run tcpdump on the bridge interface. It's very much not a "tap", but in practice nothing seems to mind it being there.
00:27:39 <Hooloovoo> yeah, that'll work fine. as long as the linux box isn't trying to run a dhcp client on those interfaces
01:01:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91956&oldid=91948 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+353) /* Shouldn't level 5 be TC? */ Reply
01:03:04 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91957&oldid=89953 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+39) /* Level 5 */ It is Turing complete
01:08:37 <fizzie> Heh. I spent half an hour composing a _very_ detailed support ticket, and just as I had finished copying and trimming and prettifying all the packet capture logs, it started to work again.
01:08:59 <fizzie> I'm going to assume it's just that their DHCPv6 server was AWOL.
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01:10:36 <fizzie> fungot: Are you happy to be back online? 
01:10:37 <fungot> fizzie: do you have some code, but add isn't exported through the structure definition, and it's unbounded."
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05:26:20 <Hooloovoo> http://catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html#id3141171
06:00:45 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91958&oldid=91925 * Photon Niko * (+364) /* Introductions */
06:04:43 <esolangs> [[User:Photon Niko]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91959 * Photon Niko * (+297) Created page with "Hi, I love esolangs, especially the graphical ones. I got a [https://github.com/photon-niko github] thingy. I am also on discord (Photon_Niko#0064).  I have created [https://g..."
06:50:08 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91960&oldid=91943 * Peter * (+1) 
06:52:33 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91961&oldid=91960 * Peter * (+0) /* Infinite loop */
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07:22:48 <esolangs> [[Hoverfly]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91963&oldid=91635 * Kemuri * (-22) final touches
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09:25:38 <b_jonas> fungot, what's the difference between a spider and a spooder?
09:25:39 <fungot> b_jonas: well yeah, imo the most painful part
09:25:45 <b_jonas> their bite? ok
09:26:01 <b_jonas> how about an alligator and a crocodile?
09:26:05 <b_jonas> fungot: how about an alligator and a crocodile?
09:26:06 <fungot> b_jonas: i could easily get it hosted at iro.umontreal.ca, like the fact that we can read restaurant) should provide all low-level stuff, and retired a few old ones of my own?
09:28:34 <Hooloovoo> the difference is that the university of montreal will host alligators, obviously, but for some reason they Do Not Like crocodiles due to some problems in their engineering department
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11:01:34 <riv> fungot: spider spooder spoder spuder spader
11:01:35 <fungot> riv: this is because the average python programmer is trying to shift the conversation and commence commenting on the actions deterministic
11:23:06 <wib_jonas> yes, fungot, I also blame the programmers for everything that's bad in the world. programming got too accessible, so now every idiot is writing programs.
11:23:07 <fungot> wib_jonas: c++ might be better. :-p so, i usually use fnord
11:23:28 <wib_jonas> fungot: nah, C++ is also too accessible.
11:23:28 <fungot> wib_jonas: since arcus came on, there even was a " universal binary"
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16:44:33 <Sgeo> I was looking at some Turing Tumble stuff, and a lot of their marketing emphasizes it could act like a real modern computer chip, if it was the size of Texas. Rather consistent in that comparison. Is there an actual calculation that suggests that that's roughly the size that would allow it to act like a modern CPU, or is it just a "very big thing" their marketing team decided was the best way to emphasize how large it would need to be to act like an electronic 
16:44:33 <Sgeo> computer?
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18:49:21 <oerjan> <int-e> Yeah, the wiki language is english. <-- i think we have that one calesyta language in spanish
18:55:18 <int-e> Hmm. That seems a bad precedent to me, point being that we need to be able to keep an eye on the wiki contents
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19:28:26 <Corbin> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qalb_(programming_language) is worth knowing about, if we're going to talk about natlangs on the wiki.
19:29:07 <Corbin> I think that if a language is notable enough to be talked about in multiple natlangs, like Qalb, then it probably should be on WP, which already has multiple native-natlang communities.
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19:35:15 <riv> https://esolangs.org/wiki/%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A8
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19:55:19 <Sgeo> Huh. I was wondering if tumble-together was being a bit piratey of Turing Tumble, but one of the PDFs offered by the latter actually links to it
19:59:14 <riv> electricity can go in any direction
19:59:18 <riv> tumble stuff only goes down
19:59:22 <riv> I think this matters when calculating the size
20:03:48 <Sgeo> Turing Tumble can send information back up
20:06:19 <riv> oh
20:07:05 <shachaf> You mean by setting a new state for a future marble? Or something else?
20:12:18 <Sgeo> Yes I think. A marble can trigger another marble to be released if/when it hits the bottom
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22:00:47 <tromp> int-e: added CL bases explorer to repo. also, SK interpreter that was strangely missing. can you reproduce the 263 bit result from paper? 
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22:26:34 <Sgeo_> I am curious what computational class infinite Turing Tumble without gears and gear bits (the parts that can send information upwards) is
22:26:53 <Sgeo_> It can certainly still get into an infinite loop
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01:19:47 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Ethan T. Stanger *  New user account
01:30:27 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92000&oldid=91958 * Ethan T. Stanger * (+325) /* Introductions */
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03:28:22 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92005&oldid=91439 * IGottic * (+10) Added "sus"
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07:11:46 <Sgeo_> Turing Tumble has undefined behavior. I'd make a comment about how "it really is a computer, huh", but UB is more of a language thing and TT is more of a hardware simulation
07:12:44 <Sgeo_> (It's not allowed to have a ball drop without it being caught on the next row down)
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09:34:44 <zzo38> In a draft document I had written, I had (currently) assigned code page number 458752 for the CLC-INTERCAL EBCDIC (although this is currently a draft so it may be changed before it is final).
09:38:58 <zzo38> (Although I could not find the documentation, when I did manage to read it, I think it said it is not the same as any IBM code page, but each code matches at least one, or something like that?)
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13:03:28 <tromp> int-e: never mind about the 263 bit; i figured out the issue
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14:32:13 <riv> I have an idea for a custom lego piece to 3d print, it looks like 2 flat 1x2 pieces joined, but it is actually a single solid piece. It cannot be split apart. Do you like this?
14:33:50 <oerjan> `? this
14:33:54 <HackEso> This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though. Nobody likes this.
14:34:37 <riv> lol
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14:42:57 <FireFly> like two flat 1x2's stacked on top of each other (so like, a 2/3rd high fullsze 1x2)?
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14:48:57 <riv> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KmP0uiCGzpA/maxresdefault.jpg this 
14:51:19 <FireFly> right, kinda cursed, not sure I see the benefit vs just two flat 1x2's tbh :p
14:53:41 <fizzie> AIUI a 2/3rd high thing exists now. Not sure at which width/depth combinations, though.
14:53:56 <fizzie> Someone was complaining about the new Sonic set not using it.
14:54:37 <fizzie> (It's got like a checkerboard pattern made out of a lot of regular flat pieces as stacks of 2 of each color, since I guess that's more or less square?)
14:54:37 <riv> the idea is to hurt peoples nails
14:54:45 <riv> because they will try to get it apart but acn't
14:55:02 <riv> or even maybe cut their gums on it
14:57:52 <oerjan> . o O ( riv is xkcd's black hat guy? )
14:58:39 <oerjan> riv: i may have to kill you for this hth
14:58:41 <riv> my hobby: inventing illegal lego pieces
14:58:43 <riv> lol
15:01:28 * oerjan has nail and gum issues
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15:03:31 <riv> soon, you wont be the only one
15:12:16 <riv> what timezone is used by things that travel between timezones?
15:12:21 <riv> like a fast plane or something
15:13:27 <riv> if time travel is invented, will we also need date zones?
15:19:06 <int-e> tromp: I wasn't going to be drawn into abstraction elimination territory anyway.
15:21:17 <tromp> how about minimal CL bases territory?
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15:26:21 <int-e> (I never really liked it (well, trying to optimize the result size), and BLC alleviates all need for that.)
15:30:58 <int-e> I've dabbled a bit in minimal BLC-size bases territory without success.
15:32:54 <tromp> we found a provably minimal (in blc-size) basis.
15:33:11 <riv> :O
15:33:19 <riv> what is it?
15:33:53 <tromp> it's VERY close to S. just with an extra K thrown in
15:34:09 <tromp> \x\y\z.x z(y (Kz))
15:34:44 <tromp> in other words, \x\y\z.x z(y (\_.z))
15:35:01 <tromp> of size 26
15:35:19 <riv> oh that's nice! its even a single term
15:35:40 <riv> that's a really cool discovery
15:35:44 <riv> does it have a name?
15:35:51 <tromp> only 3 bits more than S, where K is 7 bits
15:36:22 <tromp> it *ought* to be called ioata. but ppl already used that name for the much bigger \x.x S K :(
15:36:46 <tromp> btw, here's a fun fact:
15:37:35 <tromp> with up to 16 of this combinator, you can form at least 2200336 different lambda normal forms
15:37:50 <tromp> guess how many you can form with up to 16 iotas?
15:38:00 <riv> I guess it is a lot more
15:38:11 <tromp> you couldn't be more wrong!
15:38:14 <riv> haha
15:38:26 <tromp> guess again!
15:38:34 <riv> the exact same number
15:38:47 <tromp> no, it's way less
15:38:50 <tromp> guess again:)
15:38:55 <Corbin> I'm hoping it's like fifteen.
15:39:36 <int-e> tromp: I see. So my naive approach could've found that in principle, it would just have required, uh, months maybe of computing power.
15:39:39 <tromp> well, it is more than 15:)
15:39:43 <int-e> (And it wouldn't prove optimality)
15:40:15 <tromp> any1 want to guess ?
15:40:23 <oerjan> no hth
15:41:02 <tromp> here's the shocker: only 244 (that we could find)
15:41:32 <tromp> in this measure, iota was the worst possible single point basis we could find
15:41:39 <oerjan> fancy
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15:42:20 <tromp> its only redeeming property it having short derivations for S and K
15:42:29 <riv> hah
15:43:14 <tromp> let's call the other one alpha
15:43:43 <tromp> it takes 11 alphas to make K
15:43:54 <tromp> and 16 to make S
15:44:43 <tromp> although you can make the equally useful S' = \x\y\z. y z (x z) in 15
15:45:53 <oerjan> I x = x S K, so I I = I S K = S S K K = S K (K K). i'm guessing that all those Ks make it very easy for things to get deleted so many expressions become equal
15:45:58 <oerjan> er
15:45:58 <int-e> S' = \x\y\z.y z (x z) is produced a bit sooner.
15:46:08 <oerjan> I may not have been the best choice of letter there :P
15:46:27 <tromp> you can make an alpha self interpreter in 249 alpha's; potentially much less
15:46:37 <oerjan> * J x = x S K, so J J = J S K = S S K K = S K (K K). i'm guessing that all those Ks make it very easy for things to get deleted so many expressions become equal
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15:46:48 <int-e> (S' + K are also complete)
15:47:35 <tromp> yes, that's what i meant by equally useful. you can do bracket abstraction with S' just as well
15:48:37 <Corbin> tromp: Interesting. Could we say that iota is optimized for a short basis and useful short programs, whereas alpha is optimized for a short basis and short normal forms?
15:49:02 <oerjan> J J x = S K (K K) x = K x (...) = x
15:49:08 <tromp> another size 26 basis is alpha'= \x\y\z.y z (x (Kz))
15:49:48 <oerjan> duh
15:49:55 <tromp> it's about half as good as alpha. making 1220869 lambda terms up to size 16
15:50:14 <tromp> (not exactly, but roughly)
15:50:26 <oerjan> or that J J = I
15:50:40 <tromp> ioata doesn't make short programs
15:50:53 <tromp> unless your program is S or K :)
15:50:58 <oerjan> are you misspelling iota?
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15:52:18 <int-e> 11 alphas to make a K?
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15:52:43 <tromp> another is \x\y\z. y (Kz) (x z) from which you can generate {T,K,B,W} which I think is abasis
15:53:09 <tromp> yes, K = A(A A)(A(A A)A A A A A)
15:53:39 <int-e> I have ``0`00``````0`0000000 :P
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15:54:10 <tromp> yep, same thing
15:54:54 <int-e> 4 possibilities, apparently
15:55:00 <tromp> btw, \x\y\z. x (Kz) (y z) doesn't seem to work at all as a basis
15:55:35 <tromp> we only managed to generate F and I (among target terms)
15:55:59 <tromp> where F = False  = \x\y.y
15:56:40 <tromp> the REAL challenge is finding minimal expression for C = \x\y\z. x z y
15:57:01 <tromp> as it needs a HUGE intermediate lambda term
15:58:38 <oerjan> J I = I S K = S K = K I, which also would swallow up things
15:59:22 <oerjan> so i don't think it's surprising that iota gives few distinct terms
16:03:58 <tromp> oops, I meant the minimal expression for T = \x\y. y x
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16:11:00 <int-e> tromp: you can swap x and y though... which gives S' at size 11, K at size 15, but no S up to size 16
16:14:53 <int-e> (S' + K works because of S = ```S'`S'KS'`KS')
16:15:36 <tromp> you mean S' from 11 alpha' ?
16:16:05 <tromp> i thought it took 13
16:16:48 <int-e> Yes, it's 13.
16:17:19 <int-e> (copying is hard)
16:18:51 <tromp> have you found T from lpha?
16:19:04 <int-e> No.
16:19:13 <int-e> I haven't tried either :-P
16:19:30 <tromp> try. i'm curious what you find
16:20:09 <tromp> is there a size limit on your intermediate lambda terms?
16:23:00 <int-e> not really
16:23:23 <tromp> oh, then it won't be a challenge for you
16:23:24 <int-e> but there is a cost limit which is connected to size
16:24:17 <int-e> size 16, hmm
16:24:29 <int-e> ````0````0`0`000`00``00000`0`00
16:24:30 <tromp> it's less than 16
16:24:30 <HackEso> ​```0````0`0`000`00``00000`0`00? No such file or directory
16:24:41 <int-e> (and 4 others)
16:24:54 <int-e> sorry HackEso 
16:25:07 <kit_ten> lol
16:26:24 <int-e> tromp: hah, I was checking for S
16:26:45 <int-e> size 13.
16:26:57 <int-e> (and unique)
16:29:27 <int-e> tromp: I have really horrible code which makes me do this: https://paste.debian.net/1226868/
16:29:41 <tromp> yep
16:30:04 <tromp> , did you see the size of the lambda term from the middle size 9 part?
16:30:25 <int-e> I don't see any intermediate sizes
16:31:16 <tromp> i mean this expression A(A A)A(A(A A)A)A
16:31:46 <tromp> which is A(A A)A applied to itself
16:31:49 <int-e> Hmm, alpha' doesn't make T any more concise at all
16:32:45 <tromp> no;alpha' makes for more concise S' only it seems
16:33:05 <tromp> most are longer
16:33:16 <tromp> in some cases much longer
16:33:29 <tromp> like for \x\y. x y x
16:33:32 <int-e> size 16 for T
16:33:53 <tromp> 16 alpha'
16:33:56 <tromp> ?
16:34:14 <tromp> that's one I hadn't found myself yet
16:35:00 <tromp> I found V = \x\y\z. z x y the hardest of simple combinators to find
16:37:04 <int-e> Oh, ```0`0`0`00`0```0```00`00000`00 is \x y z. y x z, not \x y. y x.
16:37:39 <int-e> (where 0 = alpha')
16:39:15 <int-e> So no, there's no size 16 T within my resource constraints (1000 reduction steps, whatever that is precisely in that virtual machine))
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16:41:24 <tromp> i don't limit reduction steps; i only limit expanding steps where the term grows in size
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16:42:43 <tromp> and then i limit it linearly in substitution occurances
16:43:17 <tromp> well, that one is eta equivalent
16:44:33 <int-e> I have my "usual" context-capturing implementation (which could be understood as doing delayed substitutions I think), https://paste.debian.net/1226872/
16:45:19 <int-e> So whatever exponential blowup is there is hidden by sharing.
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16:54:00 <tromp> that looks pretty efficient. but with whnf's you cannot eliminate duplicates?
16:55:16 <tromp> if exponentially many terms all evaluate to the same nf, you'd keep track of them all ?
16:55:42 <tromp> in their whnf...
16:56:32 <int-e> Well, I don't tabulate at all.
16:59:31 <int-e> basically, all other parts are horribly inefficient
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17:07:32 <tromp> i see...
17:14:26 <int-e> even the enumeration of terms... I should've known
17:15:03 <int-e> (ghc floated out a humongous list)
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17:16:14 <int-e> resulting in the program growing to 10G for size 18 terms, tsk.
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17:24:20 <int-e> Anyway I'll let it burn CPU for S and T in terms of alpha' for a bit longer... I will not look for other combinators.
17:27:21 <tromp> yes, my searches barely reach size 17 before running out of memory at 19G
17:27:57 <Corbin> Could a more directed or type-driven search be done? Or maybe you've got a more clever pruning scheme already.
17:28:11 <tromp> but that's still keeping all unique lambda normal forms from alpba terms up to size 15
17:30:26 <tromp> well, this is all in untyped calculus, so i don't see how types could help
17:31:48 <tromp> int-e:could you please add your program to the repo? i'd like to search for some specific terms myself
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17:36:38 <int-e> So this should be a proper T: `````00`0``00`0`0``00000`0`0``0``0000
17:37:28 <int-e> (0 = alpha')
17:42:38 <int-e> tromp: https://gist.github.com/int-e/2f4b39727cc51dfe07b3b50d0d6c6f0e ...I don't want it in the repo in that shape
17:44:45 <tromp> ok;thanks:)
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17:47:27 <int-e> but I did fix the tree generation (`gen2`) to not explode in memory usage... though the proper fix would be to use difference lists.
17:48:18 <int-e> Ah, S and T of size 18 respectively: ````000`0`0``00`00`0```0``000``0000 and `````0`0000````0``00`0`00`0``000000
17:48:19 <riv> [1,2,3]+[4,5,6] in javascript, is '1,2,34,5,6'
17:48:31 <imode> what is the alpha combinator.
17:48:44 <int-e> (found with 1000 fuel; 100 fuel wasn't enough)
17:50:11 <tromp> alpha = \x\y\z. x z (y (Kz))
17:50:27 <tromp> a one point basis
17:51:13 <int-e> and alpha' swaps the inner x and y (or the outer ones; same thing modulo alpha)
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18:04:27 <int-e> tromp: So in what sense is this provably minimal? Does that depend on limiting intermediate term sizes too or is everything smaller ruled out by various syntactic criteria?
18:05:48 <tromp> i'm assuming that in addition to K, a basis needs a 3 argument function
18:06:55 <tromp> this one adds only 3 bits to S. adding 2 bits only allows KS which is not a basis
18:08:47 <tromp> there must be  one lambda whose arg is dropped, one whose argument is duplicated, and i assume two that are preserved
18:10:11 <int-e> Hmm. Okay, that doesn't wholly convince me. I mean, BCKW is larger, but the individual combionators have size 19, 19, 7, 15, all of which are smaller than S.
18:10:43 <tromp> yes, S and K are smaller than alpha.but their sumsize is more
18:11:16 <tromp> i claim alpha has minimal sumsize
18:11:17 <int-e> W (which duplicates) and any 10 sized combinator that erases, hmm
18:11:28 <int-e> (would be smaller)
18:12:04 <tromp> K plus all 2 argument preserving/duplicating combs are not universal, right?
18:12:48 <tromp> that's why you have B and C in addition
18:13:15 <int-e> Well, I don't know.
18:13:18 <tromp> i agree that needs more proof:)
18:14:19 <int-e> "probably minimal" I can agree with anyway, and that's just a plausible typo away.
18:14:26 <int-e> ;)
18:15:27 <int-e> and at least it's more organic that iota, that's something
18:16:47 <tromp> the Greek letter iota is the smallest letter of its alphabet
18:17:12 <tromp> so this is more deserving of the name iota...
18:18:01 <tromp> i'd have to convince chris barker though:)
18:19:06 <int-e> 21 years
18:19:10 <int-e> call it iota' :-P
18:19:40 <tromp> well iota' should be the name for alpha' :)
18:19:41 <int-e> . o O ( or just prime, which is smaller than iota )
18:20:11 <tromp> ` for app and ' for alpha?
18:20:12 <HackEso> ​? Permission denied
18:20:23 <int-e> yes!
18:20:31 <tromp> oh boy,that's obfuscation at it's best:(
18:20:41 <int-e> T = `````''`'``''`'`'``'''''`'`'``'``''''
18:20:58 <int-e> (sorry, that's wrong of course)
18:21:01 <tromp> looks like some double quotes ni there...
18:21:08 <int-e> because *that* ' would be alpha'
18:21:32 <int-e> So more like T = `````""`"``""`"`"``"""""`"`"``"``""""
18:21:33 <tromp> i wished ' looked like the mirror image of `
18:22:24 <tromp> wait; you are using double quotes, not single ones
18:22:33 <int-e> because it's alpha'
18:22:55 <tromp> oh:)
18:22:57 <int-e> T = ```''````'`'''``'`''''`''
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18:31:03 <int-e> Or maybe the magnified version: T = ╲╲╲╱╱╲╲╲╲╱╲╱╱╱╲╲╱╲╱╱╱╱╲╱╱
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18:35:02 <int-e> @bot
18:35:02 <lambdabot> :)
18:36:11 <fizzie> @fungot
18:36:11 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
18:36:11 <fungot> fizzie: so i'm in dos promp. in reality i just pick one.
18:36:33 <fizzie> fungot: Retrocomputing again, are you? 
18:36:34 <fungot> fizzie: would require me to go ahead with gpl2+ program, it was easier
18:36:53 <int-e> `no hackeso though
18:37:24 <fizzie> Hmm, does the command character prefix suppress the default nickname recognition? 
18:37:26 <fizzie> ^fungot
18:37:31 <fizzie> I think it does.
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18:43:26 <oerjan> `wisdom retro
18:43:28 <HackEso> That's not wise.
18:43:32 <oerjan> hmph
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18:45:14 <int-e> `' retro
18:45:15 <HackEso> 568) <Phantom_Hoover> I think the worst part of growing up is that it isn't retroactive.
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18:46:12 <int-e> Weird one, I can't even picture that.
18:47:37 <int-e> Because that whole arduous and slow process of growing up is such an integral part of what it means to be human.
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18:51:38 <oerjan> i vaguely think it may refer to the horror of realizing all the stupid stuff you did before growing up hth
18:52:52 <int-e> Sure, I can follow along that far. But imagine it /actually/ being retroactive...
18:53:07 <int-e> Also, there's this great filter called forgetting things.
18:53:10 <int-e> :)
18:53:26 <esolangs> [[Init]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92022&oldid=92020 * WhyNot? * (+505) 
18:53:38 <int-e> Which may be alien to Millenials I guess.
18:53:46 <int-e> Millennials.
18:53:50 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
18:53:58 <int-e> Hate that typo, know why it's bad, still make it all the time...
18:56:26 <int-e> That whole do-aliens-exist thing is so speculative though. We have no idea what the odds really are; all we really have to go on is P(we exist | we exist) = 1, and a bunch of negatives that put an upper bound on the probability of other civilizations existing.
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21:58:29 <tromp> int-e: is gen2 more of a time or more of a memory savings over gen?
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22:03:38 <tromp> how is f x | y <- x:[] = ... different from f x = let y = x:[] in .... ?
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22:08:08 <shachaf> Are they different?
22:08:52 <shachaf> I think in this case where y is an irrefutable pattern it should come out to the same thing.
22:09:30 <shachaf> Unless you're being sneaky with the ..., I suppose (e.g. if it contains a where).
22:10:05 <tromp> no, nothing sneaky, just reading some int-e code
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22:10:20 <tromp> oh, I know why
22:10:39 <tromp> he's repeating the variable
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22:11:00 <tromp> so like f x | x <- x:[] = ....
22:11:16 <tromp> so let would just loop
22:11:29 <tromp> or give type error in this case
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22:39:34 <int-e> tromp: gen2 enumerates trees (applications of the given leafs), gen enumerates arbitrary terms
22:40:45 <int-e> and f x | y <- x:[] = ... mostly is equivalent to  f x = let y = x:[] ... but the <- isn't recursive
22:41:06 <int-e> which I consider to be a feature
22:41:17 <int-e> I am overusing that style though, i think
22:43:31 <int-e> tromp: I used `gen` when I was trying to find bases, but it was too much (i.e., the search space was too big when multiplied by the time taken by `gen` and evaluation)
22:43:45 <int-e> err the second `gen` should be `gen2`
22:44:12 <int-e> oh sorry, you figured out the non-recursive bit yourself...
22:44:35 <tromp> not for the first time, i now remember seeing this years ago
22:44:57 <tromp> i look forward to figuring it out again some years from now:)
22:46:25 <tromp> ok, i should rephrase my question
22:46:46 <tromp> is the use of k <- [1..s`div`2] and mirroring more of a time or memory savings?
22:46:55 <int-e> memory
22:47:11 <tromp> ok, that makes sense.
22:47:52 <int-e> I mean, it's still floating out the second generated list but now it's of a much more manageable size
22:48:00 <tromp> it's very modest indeed now. using just 3MB while searching depth 19
22:48:42 <int-e> and I was too lazy to change it to difference lists (you lose a lot of the convenience of list comprehension on the way)
22:53:45 <int-e> Oh, changing the type to (L -> L) -> Int -> [L] would've been an option.
22:54:30 <int-e> (incorporating a `map`, which would fix the floating out issue by incurring an actual data dependency)
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23:29:09 <oerjan> > let f x | let y = x:[] = y in f "whistles innocently"
23:29:11 <lambdabot>  ["whistles innocently"]
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23:31:24 <salpynx> this is a smaller iota: ͺ
23:31:45 <salpynx> ```ͺͺ````ͺ`ͺͺͺ``ͺ`ͺͺͺͺ`ͺͺ
23:31:46 <HackEso> ​``ͺͺ````ͺ`ͺͺͺ``ͺ`ͺͺͺͺ`ͺͺ? No such file or directory
23:32:02 <salpynx> or ˎˎˎͺͺˎˎˎˎͺˎͺͺͺˎˎͺˎͺͺͺͺˎͺͺ if you want them aligned
23:37:23 <oerjan> `unicode ͺ
23:37:25 <HackEso> U+037A GREEK YPOGEGRAMMENI \ UTF-8: cd ba  UTF-16BE: 037a  Decimal: &#890; \ ͺ \ Category: Lm (Letter, Modifier) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: <compat> 0020 0345
23:37:42 <oerjan> oh right
23:37:56 * oerjan was at that wikipedia page earlier
23:38:17 <salpynx> yeah, I was trying to remember the hackeso command to display that
23:38:40 <oerjan> `icode ͺ
23:38:41 <HackEso> ​[U+037A GREEK YPOGEGRAMMENI]
23:38:55 <oerjan> (that's short for unidecode hth)
23:40:18 <salpynx> The other possibility I thought of was using Hebrew Yod for an alternate derivation of that letter, but that gives RTL display issues
23:40:56 <salpynx> `icode י
23:40:57 <HackEso> ​[U+05D9 HEBREW LETTER YOD]
23:42:25 <fizzie> But is 'decode' just 'de'? Whoa.
23:46:59 <salpynx> I had to look up the Unicode for the iota-subscript, but knew it existed... now very oddly it turns out, the author of ref #1 on the wikipedia iota page is one of the people who taught me ancient Greek.

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00:13:17 <salpynx> what is the BLC notation for this alpha / smaller iota?
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00:54:21 <salpynx> I'm not sure what to do with the Kz , (\_.z) at the end, I'm clearly doign at least one thing wrong to come up with length 29:  00 00 00 00 01 11110 01 110 01 1110 110
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02:58:30 <salpynx> I think it is: 00 01 10 00 00 00 01 110 01 1110 110
03:00:57 <salpynx> λ.1(λλλ.2(3 2)) instead of λλλλ.4 2(3 2), which was what my first attempt was (barring notation errors)
03:01:31 <int-e> salpynx: alpha is 00 00 00 01 01 1110 10 01 110 00 110, alpha' is 00 00 00 01 01 110 10 01 1110 00 110
03:03:00 <int-e> \x\y\z. x z (y (\_. z)) and \x\y\z. y z (x (\_. z))
03:04:57 <salpynx> thanks, let me process that in terms of how I've been working to figure out where I went wrong...
03:08:22 <salpynx> so:  λλλ. (2 1) (3 λ.2)   in De Bruijn format?
03:09:06 <int-e> yes.
03:20:39 <salpynx> I got the associativity direction wrong on the original lambda notion. I went wrong on the first step :(
03:35:33 <salpynx> why is (\_. z)  =   00 110   and not 00 00 110 ? I can't see where in a description of BLC / De Bruijn  / Lambda notation why a lambda taking one argument (00 x in BLC) can refer to the second argument
03:36:23 <int-e> \_. z is not a closed term by itself; z is free there
03:36:42 <int-e> but there's three more lambdas further out
03:37:24 <salpynx> so that's the significance of the underscore symbol?
03:37:58 <int-e> it just indicates that the variable is unused
03:38:10 <int-e> we could write \w.z instead
03:39:13 <salpynx> so 00 1110 would also be valid
03:39:36 <salpynx> but 00 11110 would be an error in that position?
03:39:55 <int-e> no that would still be fine
03:40:45 <int-e> 111110 would no longer refer to any of the lambdas
03:41:31 <salpynx> which lambda does 11110 refer to?
03:41:48 <int-e> the outermost one
03:41:53 <int-e> that is, the first one
03:42:29 <int-e> i.e., with names: \x\y\z. x z (y (\_. x))
03:44:13 <int-e> the unnamed _ would have index 1, z has index 2, y has index 3, x has index 4; there's nothing beyond that
03:45:00 <int-e> maybe let's fully parenthesize the thing? alpha = \x\y\z. ((x z) (y (\_. z)))
03:46:42 <int-e> (the convention is that lambdas extend as far as possible to the right)
03:47:13 <salpynx> oh, I see, it's pretty straightforward; within \_, if z is 110, y is 1110 and x is 11110, and 111110 is undefined
03:49:31 <salpynx> Thanks, I think I've cleared up all my confusion on this. In the past I've always had to try and understand lambda calculus in terms of combinators, which made far more sense to me.
03:53:34 <salpynx> There's nothing like working on a problem and making a bunch of mistakes to cement understanding...
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06:30:56 <salpynx> Is this correct?:  \x\y\z\_. x z (y z) == \x\y\z. x z (y (\_. z))
06:31:13 <salpynx> If so, I got my first attempt half right by getting an equivalent De Bruijn form: λλλλ. (4 2)(3 2), but messed up the BLC slightly. It would still give 29 bits this way, so not as good as 26.
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09:40:33 <tromp> salpynx: no, that's not correct
09:41:14 <tromp> this alpha is not a regular combinator, you cannot push the last \_ to the front
09:42:35 <tromp> so it doesn't correspond to a single rewrite rule like the regular combinator S x y z = x z (y z) that only has variables on the right
09:43:06 <tromp> the best you can do is alpha x y z = x z (y (K z))
09:43:29 <tromp> since K z = \_.z
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16:14:32 <int-e> tromp: eww that means there's still a challenge to find a "proper" complete combinator?
16:15:16 <int-e> (obviously iota isn't proper in that sense either)
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16:18:59 <tromp> if a regular combinator erases one of its variable, then it has an application of K not to a variable but to some term, which I think prevents deriving K from it
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20:26:03 <salpynx> tromp: Right, the internal Kz can potentially be used _multiple_ times to swallow variables, depending on y. Putting it at the front, like I did, only swallows one. I tried with super simple examples (x=I, y=I. z=I) and (x=I, y=K, z=I) and got identical results. Using (x=I, y=S, z=I) shows the difference though.
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20:28:34 <salpynx> alpha looks very like the S combinator, but with that internal K, which can be utilised to do K-like things depending on the values of x, y, z
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20:29:11 <sprout_> oerjan: there's a single combinator basis.  I think a guy named Fokking wrote a paper on it
20:29:15 <sprout_> Fokker?
20:29:19 <sprout_> whoever
20:29:46 <sprout_> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03180572
20:30:41 <int-e> alpha fits that description
20:30:55 <int-e> namely, it's "a single closed lambda-expression"
20:31:44 <oerjan> sprout_: _proper_ here means it must be of the form \v1 ... vn. P(v1, ..., vn) where P only does applications of the variables to each other
20:31:52 <oerjan> like S, K and I are
20:32:22 <sprout_> oh right.  I have no idea
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20:38:41 <salpynx> so that's what I was just seeing, that alpha is basically S, (S = x z (y z)), but with that second z replaced with a K z -- so y is operating on something other than one of the variables, therefore breaks the defn of 'proper'
20:49:01 <salpynx> hmm.. so my mistake above was proper, but I'm guessing is extremely unlikely to be a complete basis :)
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20:57:33 <oerjan> oh tromp called it "regular" rather than "proper".
20:58:06 <oerjan> i think the other term was used in some wikipedia discussion or article i looked at
21:03:26 <tromp> that's from footnote 1 on page 12 of https://lmcs.episciences.org/6522/pdf but i recall seeing it elsewhere too
21:04:25 <oerjan> hm i think i understand ...
21:04:47 <oerjan> or wait
21:05:05 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92053&oldid=91914 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) /* Proof of Turing Completeness */
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21:11:56 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92054&oldid=92053 * PixelatedStarfish * (+17) /* Interpreter Specifications */
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21:13:26 <tromp> int-e: I tried adding a reader to your code, but keep getting no parse errors. : https://pastebin.com/1061in22
21:16:04 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92055&oldid=92054 * PixelatedStarfish * (+5007) /* Test Cases */
21:16:29 <shachaf> To what code?
21:17:18 <tromp> some code he pasted earlier
21:17:36 <tromp> for finding terms over some combinatory basis
21:18:42 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92056&oldid=92055 * PixelatedStarfish * (+5680) /* Test Cases */
21:20:50 <shachaf> I'm not sure what the type L is exactly, but that Read instance looks reasonable to me, except that it seems to be reading an integer, which will take all the digits it can.
21:21:12 <shachaf> So `11 will be read as applying 11 to nothing, rather than 1 to 1.
21:21:19 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92057&oldid=92056 * PixelatedStarfish * (-400) /* Test Cases */
21:21:24 <shachaf> But e.g. `1^1 should be parsed correctly.
21:22:45 <tromp> ah, thx. now i see how to fix it
21:23:02 <tromp> needed to use schar c = do skipSpaces; _ <- char c; return ()
21:23:18 <tromp> which let's me separate ints by spaces
21:29:22 <shachaf> That works.
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22:11:09 <salpynx> "1 A regular combinator is a combinator in which no lambda abstraction occurs inside function application." footnote 1, p.12, On properties of B-terms. / Ikebuchi, Mirai; Nakano, Keisuke. In: Logical Methods in Computer Science, Vol. 16, No. 2, 8, 2020, p. 1-23.
22:23:37 <oerjan> https://olydis.medium.com/one-point-bases-for-%CE%BB-calculus-4163b1b326ad seems relevant. alpha is missing but there are some similar in spirit.
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22:49:33 <int-e> . o O ( ^`00 is a bit hard to read :) )
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00:26:51 <Sgeo_> How do ordinal numbers work when "zeroth" exists? When "zeroth", does "first" = "second"?
00:27:10 <Sgeo_> I got confused by the NDball page because of this
00:27:27 <Sgeo_> label "first" = ordinal "second"
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04:36:29 <int-e> Look at this beauty (colors are preserved through reduction; there are beta steps and steps that replace alpha by its full expression. syntax is T = ^T | `TT | v, where variables start at 0) https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/alpha-k.html
04:37:33 <int-e> (There's alpha-s.html for S too, but that's a 5MB HTML file)
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10:23:53 <salpynx> int-e: those are neat (K and S). The colours are a great idea. Do you have generic code available to this sort of tracked reduction, or is this a one off for just those combinators?
10:32:40 <salpynx> S blows out amazingly, (1933 character line at max, with 731 alphas) but reduces down relatively quickly.
10:38:28 <salpynx> ... what does `I` look like? -- is that going to be longer than S, via SKK, or is there a more direct way in terms of alpha?
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10:57:50 <wib_jonas> fungot: in what sense does a kayak paddle rotate? does the rower rotate it foward when they row with the hand with the bearing, or backwards?
10:57:50 <fungot> wib_jonas: how much do you program the robots, not so much work. it's a bit irrational in the general case in the second short e turns to i.
10:59:35 <wib_jonas> fungot: also which core series Pokémon games have the mechanic where when a Pokémon is about to evolve from leveling, you can interrupt that by pressing a button to keep its current less evolved speices?
10:59:35 <fungot> wib_jonas: if at the end of january?
10:59:44 <wib_jonas> which year, fungot? which year?
10:59:44 <fungot> wib_jonas: i don't like
10:59:56 <wib_jonas> those games have been going on for over two decades now. "january" doesn't help.
11:01:20 <fizzie> fungot: Have you been watching AGDQ? I saw something about Pokémon.
11:01:21 <fungot> fizzie: for the empty-as, shouldn't car be an error to return when the fd is closed? ( i'm using drscheme
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11:06:46 <wib_jonas> fungot: how often does Batman use his bat-webshooter to shoot webs using his sticky and strong bat-web liquid formula? when he does, is he afraid that the other comic strip company will get angry at him?
11:06:46 <fungot> wib_jonas: changed and it fnord to asi523 for having numbers whose product are no greater then the length of the file?
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11:10:05 <fizzie> Heh, apparently "asi523" is a sufficiently common word to not get fnorded.
11:10:14 <riv> :-)
11:15:31 <tromp> With Johannes Bader's basis, his S is indeed not minimal. He says he found no shorter up to size 15. So he missed this one of size 16: S = X(X(X(X X(X(X(X X))))))(X(X(X X) X) X) X
11:17:28 <tromp> salpynx: I = A(A(A(A A)A))(A(A A)A) of size 10
11:18:04 <riv> has anyone heard of the Harmonic Time-Bind Ritual Symphony?
11:18:11 <salpynx> nice, I've just been checking αKK = I, which seems to work
11:18:17 <riv> I am thinking I might try it out later
11:20:16 <wib_jonas> riv: does that involve a choir of four simultaneous 24-hour days?
11:20:28 <riv> it's very likely to
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11:36:53 <wib_jonas> fungotÉ you rotate it backwards, apparently. but I still don'tk now the answer to the Pokémon question.
11:36:54 <fungot> wib_jonas: or just a genral stigma?), a is -1 or inputed character, and it can run more than one
11:37:37 <riv> fungot gotta poke em all
11:37:37 <fungot> riv: now nobody say " bot," then you are just asking for bad puns to be made?
11:49:14 <fizzie> fungot: Yeah, that's your purpose on this channel, to make bad puns.
11:49:15 <fungot> fizzie: oh no, that's fine then :) an " object identity equality" operator
11:49:41 <fizzie> IDGI
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12:21:23 <salpynx> I've been playing with alpha in python and am getting max recursion depth exceeded with I(I) (defined in terms of alpha), but it seems to behave correctly otherwise.
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12:23:30 <salpynx> `` python3 -c"α = lambda x: lambda y: lambda z: x(z)(y(lambda _: z));I = α(α(α(α(α))(α)))(α(α(α))(α));I(I)"
12:23:32 <HackEso> Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "<string>", line 1, in <module> \   File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda> \   File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda> \   File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda> \   [Previous line repeated 996 more times] \ RecursionError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
12:25:05 <wib_jonas> salpynx: try import sys; sys.setrecursionlimit(1_000_000)
12:25:59 <salpynx> ```>>> I(I)
12:26:00 <salpynx> Segmentation fault (core dumped)```
12:26:01 <HackEso> ​``>>>? No such file or directory
12:26:06 <salpynx> fun!
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12:27:45 <salpynx> I don't know if this is a great proof, but it demonstrates my python doing what I expect the same identity function to do
12:27:47 <salpynx> `` python3 -c"α = lambda x: lambda y: lambda z: x(z)(y(lambda _: z));I = α(α(α(α(α))(α)))(α(α(α))(α));test = lambda x: 'test' if x == '?' else α;print(I(I(test))('?'))"
12:27:49 <HackEso> test
12:29:51 <tromp> instead of i(i), how about the simpler i(0) ?
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12:33:22 <salpynx> I get type errors if the argument is not a function (hence that 'test' lambda above which returns a string if passed a '?' string, alpha otherwise)
12:34:27 <esolangs> [[Subleq]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92059&oldid=90797 * Shaman * (+178) 
12:34:36 <wib_jonas> tromp: maybe it's the identity only up to eta conversion equivalence
12:34:51 <salpynx> (S(K)(K))(S(K)(K)) (all in terms of alpha) gives a fn that behaves as identity
12:35:15 <salpynx> I(S(K)(K)) triggers the max recursion depth
12:35:59 <salpynx> strangely I(S(K)(S)) seems to be trying to do something, but I haven't seen it terminate yet
12:36:10 <wib_jonas> so how you'd test the supposed identity is to pass it a hundred-argument function that returns a non-callable magic token (0 in your case), then call the result with a hundred different magic tokens, and see if you get your first magic token as a result
12:36:55 <tromp> it equals I itself, not some other eta equivalent
12:37:31 <wib_jonas> tromp: in that case you should be able to pass a non-callable argument to it
12:37:59 <esolangs> [[Izhora]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92060&oldid=89479 * Shaman * (+103) 
12:38:28 <esolangs> [[Izhora]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92061&oldid=92060 * Shaman * (+6) 
12:38:48 <esolangs> [[Izhora]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92062&oldid=92061 * Shaman * (+0) 
12:38:56 <tromp> of course the term is untypable; Haskell reports an infinite type error on let a x y z = x z (y (const z)) in i = a(a(a(a a) a) a) a
12:38:56 <salpynx> If this is what you meant, I(0) where 0 is an integer 0:
12:38:58 <salpynx> `` python3 -c"α = lambda x: lambda y: lambda z: x(z)(y(lambda _: z));I = α(α(α(α(α))(α)))(α(α(α))(α));I(0)"
12:38:59 <HackEso> Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "<string>", line 1, in <module> \   File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda> \   File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda> \   File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda> \   [Previous line repeated 2 more times] \ TypeError: 'int' object is not callable
12:39:49 <tromp> while a itself it typable: a :: (a -> t1 -> t2) -> ((b -> a) -> t1) -> a -> t2
12:42:53 <salpynx> I(S(K)(S)) appears to just loop,   I can use sks and skk as identity and sks(skk) interchangeably and that seems to work
12:46:11 <salpynx> I don't know if this helps, but using a fn b which returns its argument and prints 'B', I(b) prints B 5 times, and returns b
12:51:40 <salpynx> wib_jonas: what is the purpose of the 100 arguments in the test function? I assume 100 means 'many', but what's the main purpose? Just to create a unique signature?
12:53:32 <wib_jonas> salpynx: no, to make sure that the I can work if it's not the same I but an eta-equivalent, something like I = \x\y.xy or I = \x\y\z.xyz etc
13:00:38 <salpynx> I think this is a shorter version of that idea:
13:00:41 <salpynx> >>>I(fish)
13:00:41 <salpynx> <function fish at 0x7f21d959bea0>
13:00:42 <salpynx> >>> I(fish)(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(0)
13:00:42 <salpynx> 'fish test!'
13:00:43 <salpynx> >>> I(fish)(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(1)
13:00:43 <salpynx> <function <lambda> at 0x7f21d9c95c80>
13:00:44 <salpynx> >>> I(fish)(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(0)
13:00:44 <salpynx> 'fish test!'
13:00:45 <salpynx> >>> (S(K)(K))(I)(fish)(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(0)
13:00:45 <salpynx> 'fish test!'
13:00:46 <salpynx> >>> (S(K)(K))(fish)(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(0)
13:00:47 <salpynx> 'fish test!'
13:10:55 <salpynx> it's super late, I've been poking at this too long (fish test?), but it's been interesting. If anyone wants to check my code or reproduce the recursion issue, here's what I have for alpha and SKI: https://pastebin.com/Q1R1wW7f
13:18:08 <riv> What is your opinion on rust { and } format string feature?
13:18:16 <riv> you escape then like this {{ and }}
13:20:23 <riv> \n denotes a newline, so it is better that { just denotes a '{
13:20:37 <riv>  ' character. and \{ \} be used as metacharacters
13:20:58 <riv> it may be thought of as less readable
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13:28:43 <riv> string literals are purely about encoding a sequence of characters. format strings are string literals - but the sequence of characters has its own metacharacters and escaping and so on
13:28:48 <riv> so you can look at it in layers
13:29:13 <riv> having two layers of metacharacters, escaping and quotation - is it a good thing or a bad thing
13:32:46 <wib_jonas> I hate python/rust-like braced format string simply because "{:12.2e}" is two characters slower to write than "%12.2e". But rust puts an extra stupid spin on them, because the short "{}" behaves like "%f" rather than "%g" so you never even encounter the one case where you can use a format specifier that is just as short as the C-like would be.
13:33:06 <riv> i see
13:43:04 <salpynx> tromp: I( α(α(α)(α)) )  is a smaller term that causes the max recursion (or segfault if the limit is increased) behaviour
13:44:00 <wib_jonas> luckily the python standard library comes with functions that use the C-style format directives too
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17:29:06 <int-e> tfw you put  b { font-weight: normal }  in your CSS because <b> is shorter than <span>
17:31:46 <int-e> > 5375045 / 7480981
17:31:48 <lambdabot>  0.7184946733590154
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19:21:29 <int-e> Oh I like the dialogue in today's GG.
19:21:53 <int-e> Same planet, different worlds.
19:26:09 <oerjan> i almost thought the castle was affected by the fumes there
19:29:13 <b_jonas> int-e: I assume that's after they already used the less common one-letter tags Q and S and U for something too. and if those four aren't enough, then comes I and A.
19:30:09 <int-e> b_jonas: I didn't; b was the first single letter one I thought of :P
19:31:16 <b_jonas> and then even the two-letter ones like H6, H5, H4, H3, H2, H1, HR, RP, RT, DL, DD, DT, EM, OL, UL, LI, TH, TR, TD, BR
19:31:51 <int-e> <q> was new to me, somehow
19:32:12 <int-e> and <a> is too special.
19:36:02 <b_jonas> if A is too special, you can restrict your CSS rules based on attributes with something like a :not(a[href]) { ... } so they revert to their normal behavior when they have a href
19:36:50 <b_jonas> maybe a:not(a[href]) { ... } without the space
19:41:03 <esolangs> [[Dirac]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92066 * Palaiologos * (+1310) Created page with "{{lowercase}} {{infobox proglang |name=dirac |paradigms=imperative |author=[[:User:Palaiologos|Palaiologos]] |year=[[:Category:2022|2022]] |memsys=:Category:Cell-based|Cell-..."
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22:25:45 <int-e> tromp: I did some colorful reductions, file:///home/bf3/alpha-i.html file:///home/bf3/alpha-k.html and file:///home/bf3/alpha-s.html (big, 5MB)
22:26:34 <int-e> (ther's b, w, and c as well; C is even worse than S at 8MB)
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22:28:41 <int-e> I wonder how much that would shrink if I replaced useless subterms by ⊥
22:29:31 <riv> im having trouble opening those links
22:29:35 <int-e> uhm
22:29:38 <int-e> yeah you would
22:30:05 <int-e> these should work: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/alpha-i.html https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/alpha-k.html https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/alpha-s.html (5MB)
22:30:50 <riv> seriously cool visualization
22:32:08 <salpynx> I just joined to say I 'found' a naive I, going from SK(K|S) -> αK(K|S) -> αKα , which is has 13 alphas. That isn't givng me the recursion trouble that the size 10 one is
22:33:39 <int-e> https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/alpha-b.html stands out in that the three remaining abstractions stem from different alphas
22:33:59 <riv> Hello salpynx 
22:34:54 <salpynx> Hi!
22:36:58 <zzo38> How to request the criticism/cryptanalysis of cryptographic hash algorithm? The "2D hash" has a infinite internal state size and infinite output size, and has two dimensions (input dimensions and output dimension; either one can be space and the other one time, and you will get the same answer either way).
22:37:05 <int-e> salpynx: code looks like this: https://paste.debian.net/1227159/
22:39:06 <int-e> (which is improved from yesterday where I generated HTML with `sed` :P)
22:39:26 <salpynx> +1 for sed!
22:40:17 <int-e> which would not have supported the highlighting through hovering on (the head of) subterms that the new version does :)
22:40:29 <zzo38> The first 768 bits of a empty hash are: 8d90a8ffcc33d31505cc15e2042c766e9bd965d4e51dce84fe0d871bd1d40ecbe4a2091aa2217ac92f9654b4b994ba69ba2630e260ddfd26efc7de04787984240e7e5b0d80c0ee7d616e479d6ebc3346b6efb6086e9bb0aa870de4ce8b97f019
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22:45:02 <int-e> tromp: you might like the Read instance from that paste :)
22:45:35 <int-e> (different design choice from yours: I use digits 0..9 and then add parentheses: (10), (11) etc.)
22:45:56 <salpynx> I'm not sure what's up with the recursion error I'm seeing with that I(I) in python. I just checked my conversion from your I notation and got the same as I was using last night
22:46:26 <salpynx> Not sure if it's the limitations of python, of there's something weird with the combinator.
22:48:11 <int-e> Hmm.
22:50:39 <salpynx> I = ``α`α``α`ααα``α`ααα = A(A(A(A A)A))(A(A A)A) = α(α(α(α(α))(α)))(α(α(α))(α))
22:51:05 <salpynx> the python notation is the worst, but it's what I'm executing
22:52:45 <int-e> well Python is strict.
22:53:11 <int-e> Note how there's a `0^... just before the last line, that gets erased in the final step?
22:53:20 <salpynx> I can paste 1 liners at HackEso to demonstrate the problem, but it's probably not that easy to read for longer examples
22:53:37 <int-e> if you try to evaluate that, it'll apply something to the argument, corresponding to  TypeError: 'int' object is not callable
22:57:11 <salpynx> I was working around that by only using functions
22:57:22 <salpynx> this is the strangeness:
22:57:24 <salpynx> `` python3 -c"α = lambda x: lambda y: lambda z: x(z)(y(lambda _: z));I = α(α(α(α(α))(α)))(α(α(α))(α));I(I)"
22:57:25 <int-e> there may be other problems with the translation, I'm not sure.
22:57:26 <HackEso> Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "<string>", line 1, in <module> \   File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda> \   File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda> \   File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda> \   [Previous line repeated 996 more times] \ RecursionError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
22:57:41 <salpynx> vs.
22:57:43 <salpynx> `` python3 -c"α = lambda x: lambda y: lambda z: x(z)(y(lambda _: z));K = α(α)(α(α(α))(α)(α)(α))(α)(α(α));I = α(K)(α);print(I(I) == I)"
22:57:44 <HackEso> True
22:58:38 <salpynx> ... and other more complex variations where I used magic tokens to id my functions, but don't transfer well over IRC bot evaluation :)
23:01:33 <int-e> `` python3 -c"a = lambda x: lambda y: lambda z: x(z)(y(lambda _: z)); print(a(a(a(a(a))(a)))(a(a(a))(a))(lambda _: lambda _: lambda _: 42)([])([])([]))"
23:01:34 <HackEso> 42
23:03:00 <int-e> (the extra  lambda _:  avoid calling the `int` object; now it's calling that lambda instead)
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23:03:46 <int-e> `` python3 -c"a = lambda x: lambda y: lambda z: x(z)(y(lambda _: z)); print(a(a(a(a(a))(a)))(a(a(a))(a))(lambda a: lambda b: lambda c: [a,b,c,42])("a")("b")("c"))"
23:03:48 <HackEso> Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "<string>", line 1, in <module> \ NameError: name 'b' is not defined
23:04:06 <int-e> `` python3 -c"a = lambda x: lambda y: lambda z: x(z)(y(lambda _: z)); print(a(a(a(a(a))(a)))(a(a(a))(a))(lambda a: lambda b: lambda c: [a,b,c,42])('a')('b')('c'))"
23:04:07 <HackEso> ​['a', 'b', 'c', 42]
23:04:34 <int-e> and you can check that the lambdas don't come from the a(lpha) too.
23:05:12 <int-e> in any case, the diagnosis is still too much strictness :)
23:14:53 <salpynx> how does Haskell cope with that I(I)?
23:15:55 <int-e> What I have there is a symbolic evaluator that does leftmost outermost reduction.
23:17:06 <int-e> You could do the same thing in Python and it would cope with it just as well.
23:19:23 <int-e> as for how lazy evaluation works... there's special support for suspended computations deep down in Haskell's implementation (STG, the spineless, tagless G-machine; there's papers)
23:20:09 <salpynx> sorry, just going back to "Note how there's a `0^... just before the last line, that gets erased in the final step?"  You mean the line "^`^1```0^```α`ααα^2^....." ?
23:20:31 <int-e> yes
23:21:27 <int-e> that 0 refers to the outermost lambda, so you will have put a 0: int there.
23:21:32 <salpynx> I noticed when I ran I(fn) where fn was something that printed to stdout, it got called 5 times (IIRC)
23:25:14 <salpynx> ah, and the other variation of the strangeness that I think I'm seeing is that I(SKS) appears to be an infinite loop, without errors. While I(SKK) gives me the max recursion error.
23:29:27 <salpynx> so it's just down to lazy evaluation sidestepping an infinite loop? ... and python falls into it for not being lazy?
23:30:51 <salpynx> That seems less mysterious, if that's the case.
23:31:38 <int-e> where "lazy evaluation" is less about Haskell and more about explicit leftmost outermost reduction
23:32:27 <int-e> (which is not exactly lazy evaluation; it loses sharing)
23:33:02 <int-e> (but that's only relevant for performance, not for termination)
23:36:47 <salpynx> Is there terminology to distinguish between an  I = ``α`α``α`ααα``α`ααα that requires explicit leftmost outermost reduction to return a result in some cases, and I = ``α``α`αα``````α`αααααααα , which seems to be less picky?
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00:05:00 <salpynx> I think the TL:DR of my report is: I(I), where I is the identity function defined in terms of 10 alphas, results in an infinite loop if not lazily evaluated.
00:05:40 <salpynx> .... which isn't really a problem
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00:50:00 <oerjan> huh i accidentally lost the digit at the end of that diff url and learned you can actually get diffs between completely different articles
00:52:22 <zzo38> I didn't know that
00:53:52 <oerjan> might be useful to check copy/paste moves
00:56:20 <llk> Does anybody know the name of esolang that was inspired by Wookiee language from Star Wars?
00:59:00 <zzo38> llk: I don't know.
01:00:49 <oerjan> apparently the word "wookie" is nowhere on our wiki
01:01:37 <oerjan> neither are "chewbacca" or "kashyyyk"
01:02:16 <oerjan> but those would be my guesses for names
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01:21:41 <fizzie> fungot: Do you always let the wookiee win? 
01:21:41 <fungot> fizzie: c-x 0? eb 1 and so on, and set
01:21:52 <fizzie> fungot: Beep boop I am a robot? 
01:21:53 <fungot> fizzie: have you tried your lecture notes, there are several
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01:27:31 <oerjan> fizzie: i think fungot is an expert on chewbacca defense
01:27:32 <fungot> oerjan: that's what chicken's release versions do not have to actually produce valid states. things work out though, how to use
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04:23:02 <Soni> does anyone want to take over gd-irc? https://gd-irc.github.io/
04:27:22 <int-e> salpynx: neededness makes a huge difference: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/alpha-i-min.html (bottoms represent larger terms that are irrelevant)
04:28:45 <int-e> And the longest intermediate term for S becomes `````^^^``20⊥α⊥````αα⊥^^`α^α⊥``α^`α^α^````αα⊥^^`α^α⊥````αα^``α^α^````αα`αα^`α`α``αα`αα^`α^α^`````αα`αα^`α`α``αα⊥^`α^α^``α^α^````αα`αα^`α`α``αα⊥^`α^α⊥
04:29:02 <int-e> (not requiring thousands of alphas anymore)
04:50:06 <int-e> salpynx: as for terminology; there's a distinction between "weak normalization" (a term that has a normal form is weakly normalizing) and "strong normalization" (any sequence of reductions (beta-steps) produces a normal form) which is connected to this. people also study reduction strategies, which makes this far more finely grained.
04:51:05 <int-e> always reducing the leftmost outermost redex is such a strategy; it's normalizing, meaning that if a term has a normal form, leftmost outermost reduction will find it
04:51:45 <zzo38> Soni: About calling the "real name" field as "user data" instead, I think it is good, since it does not necessarily contain your real name. There they suggest genders (which a user can do if they want to do), but you can put other stuff too.
04:53:20 <zzo38> (Note that I do not have emoji in my computer, and do not intend to.)
05:32:19 <Soni> zzo38: we used to dislike emoji some many years ago. still kinda do, particularly with faces/emotions/etc
05:33:12 <Soni> but we guess we like them nowadays, at least sometimes
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05:47:43 <zzo38> Well, some people do, and some people don't (at least sometimes), I suppose.
05:50:55 <zzo38> (I also dislike Unicode in general, but that is different.)
05:50:59 <Soni> we struggle with face emoji. the usual :) / :( / ;-; / <3 / etc are nicer
05:53:45 <Soni> zzo38: tbh we just wish they acknowledged bold and italics as being part of the script
06:01:08 <Soni> (or made it turing-complete :v)
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07:38:26 <tromp> very artistic, int-e!
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07:58:19 <tromp> speaking of artistic, here's some nice Postscript code: /t{dup 1 sub gsave dup 0 gt{[.4 .2 -.2 .4 .4 .2]concat t currentgray .8 mul .2 add setgray -1 1 scale t -1 2 translate t 1 -1 scale t[0 1 1 0 0 2]concat t pop}{0 moveto 1 0 lineto 0 2 lineto closepath clip fill}ifelse grestore}def 10 10 translate 600 600 scale 5 t showpage
08:00:31 <tromp> almost qualifies as esoteric:-)
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08:08:39 <zzo38> It look like it does not fit on the page (unless you use a bigger page)? Not bad, though
08:34:50 <tromp> don't worry, the part above the page is identical to some part on the page:)
08:35:38 <tromp> it's Conway's pinwheel tiling
08:36:23 <tromp> you can also find it as a signature on the bottom of my home page, with a link to its output
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08:44:34 <zzo38> O, that is what it is. OK
08:46:55 <zzo38> (It is also possible to add code to specify a larger page by the setpagedevice command, though)
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10:41:19 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92108&oldid=92107 * Dummiedummie * (+2) I need to make an interpreter for this so I can catch example code errors more easily...
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11:09:43 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92110&oldid=92109 * Dummiedummie * (+669) 
11:11:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:2 Bits, 1 Byte]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92111 * Peter * (+43) Created page with "==User:Peter== Very interesting language :)"
11:18:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:2 Bits, 1 Byte]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92112&oldid=92111 * Peter * (+401) /* User:Peter */
11:18:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Peter]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92113&oldid=91993 * Peter * (-19) Blanked the page
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11:41:44 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92114&oldid=92079 * Kman * (-12) Updated formatting
11:42:57 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92115&oldid=92114 * Kman * (+14) Tiny edit to align with precedent set by 'find empty cell'
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15:42:39 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92117&oldid=92110 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-200) /* Example programs */ Improve formatting (use pre tags instead of code tags)
15:42:57 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92118&oldid=92117 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+13) Lowercase title
16:02:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:Dirac]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92119 * TwilightSparkle * (+198) Created page with "Nice language, especially nice creator! I will insert this to my language-learning queue Xd ~~~~"
16:04:02 <Soni> zzo38: you should look at our userdata tho :p
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17:02:05 <int-e> `' nocturnal
17:02:08 <HackEso> No output.
17:13:04 <fizzie> "Nocturnal (in Daedric script, [something that's not in Unicode]) is the Daedric Prince whose sphere is the night and darkness. She is also known as the Night Mistress[1] and Lady Luck."
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17:47:33 <int-e> Ah, `abs` is a well-known math function. That's why it highlights differently from app...
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18:08:31 <zzo38> What character set(s) does include Daedric scripts?
18:15:19 <fizzie> Hmm. It does not seem to be part of the ConScript Unicode Registry, either. I don't know if any does. It has a 1:1 mapping to the English alphabet characters A through Z and 0 through 9, so I think mostly in computer use those are just used with a font that has the corresponding runes in the place of those characters.
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18:23:37 <zzo38> I suppose style selection can be another way, although assigning a code page number might be helpful. I have a list of 23-bit code page numbers, although it doesn't have that one.
18:24:25 <zzo38> http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/codepage/codepage
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18:46:52 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92120&oldid=92118 * Dummiedummie * (+200) Undo revision 92117 by [[Special:Contributions/PythonshellDebugwindow|PythonshellDebugwindow]] ([[User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow|talk]]) (The program lines can tend to be long, and the code blocks are meant to wrap the lines when the screen is too small.)
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19:18:11 <tromp> int-e: you have a case whnf ... of Abs l -> in your code. but whnf can never result in in Abs, right?
19:19:48 <tromp> only in a Ctx, Var, or App
19:20:21 <tromp> code seems to run fine  without that case...
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19:22:29 <int-e> hmm. right, after fixing all the bugs that case became impossible
19:22:39 <tromp> i'm trying to mix our two approaches,by computing unique normal forms up to some size around 15, and then using pure search over larger terms like your program does (but gen2 on smaller size will iterate over precomputed unique normal forms)
19:23:09 <tromp> that should hopefully speed up the search by a lot
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19:23:51 <tromp> the tricky part is comparing two whnfs for equality:)
19:24:25 <int-e> tromp: I'll add the colorized alpha thing to the repo if you don't mind (it's actually usable without editing the source code for once)
19:25:00 <tromp> yes, please fo
19:25:30 <tromp> i made some changes to my copy of that Colored.hs (got colored reduction)
19:25:55 <tromp> adding a usage and allowing choice of S1-S5 and K1-K4 on command line
19:26:33 <int-e> Yeah I also added the capability to pick those (and arbitrary terms)
19:26:42 <int-e> pushed.
19:26:46 <tromp> thx
19:27:36 <int-e> (well, not arbitrary... just applications of alpha; this can be improved)
19:28:12 <int-e> I found that tracing needed subterms is ridiculously subtle.
19:28:33 <tromp> i just computed the smallest diverging alpha term
19:28:35 <int-e> despite working on the complete reduction to normal form
19:29:01 <tromp> of size 7
19:29:20 <int-e> yeah, don't feed that to the HTML thing :P
19:29:42 <tromp> i ordered the 5 Ss by output size:)
19:30:02 <tromp> the one you showed before is not the worst
19:30:50 <int-e> Yeah I know
19:32:10 <int-e> Hmm, still no salpynx (I guess it's still too early). https://paste.debian.net/1227233/ ...poor person's laziness (\_ -> ...) makes I work in Python.
19:39:23 <int-e> (I also got rid of two CSS classes by using <s> and <u> in addition to <b>, so HTML files are a tad smaller)
19:41:05 <int-e> Mysteries of HTML: <a> is somehow different from an ordinary span when it comes to children; the x ~ y selector doesn't seem to work inside <a>...
19:43:21 <int-e> Hmm. But I can't reproduce that in a toy example?
19:43:33 <int-e> Maybe I messed up something else... always a possibility.
19:51:15 <int-e> Ah, no, I wasn't imagining things. https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/a.html reproduces the issue for me.
19:52:16 <int-e> Ah, because <a> can't be nested.
19:53:08 <int-e> b_jonas: ^^ <a> is too special
19:55:29 <int-e> (NEW and SHINY: claim now supported by a technical justification!!!!1)
19:56:13 <int-e> b_jonas: it matters because I'm encoding a term structure in spans. I could still use <a> for the leafs though, I guess.
19:58:57 <b_jonas> int-e: ...
19:59:08 <b_jonas> I didn't mean to actually recommend that hack
19:59:49 <b_jonas> also most HTTP clients these days accept compressed data, so you can get your webserver to send compressed images of your HTML file, so the length of your tag and class names should barely matter
19:59:53 <int-e> b_jonas: well you did mention it on #esoteric, I mean #esolangs... what did you expect to happen? :-P
20:01:36 <int-e> b_jonas: anyway, it's unlikely to find its way into production... if you've clicked on any of my recent links like  https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/alpha-w-min.html
20:02:23 <int-e> I stayed away from <q> because it's not obvious what that does if expressed as CSS... most likely some ::before and ::after stuff to insert quotes?
20:03:03 <int-e> It's also kind of funny how things look without CSS... but perfectly fine for the esoteric context./
20:03:25 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92121&oldid=91983 * Peter * (+0) 
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20:03:55 <b_jonas> int-e: if a tag works by just CSS (and I don't know how much they do) then you can find out what CSS it is because there's a sat of example CSS files explaining that somewhere on W3C (not normative as in browsers needn't format H1 exactly the same as specified there, but explanatory); also I think there's a set of such CSS available installed with your modern browser
20:04:59 <b_jonas> int-e: \https://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/sample.html#q22.0
20:05:53 <int-e> that doesn't have q :-P
20:05:56 <b_jonas> int-e: also it's complicated because what's inserted is language-dependent and I'm not sure how that works
20:06:11 <b_jonas> the quotation marks for Q are language-dependent that is
20:06:53 <int-e> while the ones I used, namely b, s, u, are all there.
20:07:24 <riv> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2IAyXc0LuE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrDbD90HXyo
20:07:29 <riv> good
20:10:04 <int-e> b_jonas: tbh this (encoding term structure in a bare bones HTML without text context) may be the only acceptable use for this kind of trickery... abusing text markup like this is a bit insane :)
20:10:30 <int-e> text context -> text contents
20:10:58 <int-e> and then there's the general joy of learning more about technology by abusing it
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20:21:15 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92123&oldid=92122 * Dummiedummie * (+142) 
20:24:48 <tromp> int-e: wow; your html even shows the whole subterm when you hover over the leading `. impressed!
20:26:28 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92124&oldid=92123 * Dummiedummie * (+0) 
20:32:15 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92125&oldid=92124 * Dummiedummie * (+167) 
20:32:58 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92126&oldid=92125 * Dummiedummie * (-4) 
20:33:15 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92127&oldid=92126 * Dummiedummie * (-2) 
20:34:59 <esolangs> [[Return()zero]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92128&oldid=92127 * Dummiedummie * (+21) 
20:44:45 <int-e> . o O ( AAP = Acceptable Abuse Policy )
20:58:16 <int-e> tromp: picking out subterms is *hard* (also true for matching parentheses, though I've got a bit more practice with that)
21:00:10 <int-e> this way, I can actually pick out redexes and follow reduction steps for the smaller combinators.
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22:00:03 <riv> in minecraft the fluids are measured in K mB (Kilo millibuckets)
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02:36:39 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92129&oldid=92086 * Ethan T. Stanger * (+12) 
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06:58:21 <esolangs> [[ArrowFuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92130&oldid=68555 * Otesunki * (-1) fixed typo
07:01:48 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92131&oldid=92129 * Otesunki * (+17) add minskyf--k
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11:02:48 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAA]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92132 * Fxomt * (+1635) Created page with "'''AAA''' Is a [[brainfuck]]-like programming language, the difference is, that you can only write A's in the AAA programming language.  {| class="wikitable" |+ Syntax |- ! AA..."
12:23:18 <esolangs> [[Dirac]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92133&oldid=92100 * Palaiologos * (+125) more operations
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15:04:41 <esolangs> [[Dirac]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92135&oldid=92134 * Palaiologos * (+258) outermost scope operations
15:06:45 <esolangs> [[Dirac]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92136&oldid=92135 * Palaiologos * (+709) test programs
15:11:59 <esolangs> [[User:Otesunki]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92137&oldid=89388 * Otesunki * (+419) 
15:14:03 <esolangs> [[User:Otesunki]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92138&oldid=92137 * Otesunki * (+31) /* 2022-01-14 01:33 */
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15:27:16 <esolangs> [[User:Otesunki]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92140&oldid=92139 * Otesunki * (-5) 
15:27:53 <esolangs> [[User:Otesunki]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92141&oldid=92140 * Otesunki * (-64) /* 2022-01-14 01:33 */
15:30:15 <esolangs> [[User:Otesunki]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92142&oldid=92141 * Otesunki * (+115) 
15:37:24 <esolangs> [[User:Otesunki]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92143&oldid=92142 * Otesunki * (+137) /* useful proof by reduction langs */
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19:34:55 <riv> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSqKmCGDanE i like alien planets
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20:49:13 <salpynx> int-e: thanks for the evaluation strategy info. I've been digesting that and reading up on it. I had thought lazy and eager were the two options, although I had an esolang idea which involved parallel stepped rewriting and knew that would be multiple ways to approach that, but didn't know where to begin.
20:50:04 <salpynx> Just knowing the correct terminology has unlocked the resources...
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20:53:57 <salpynx> int-e: thanks also for https://paste.debian.net/1227233/ -- looking now. ("poor persons", heh, I should really get comfortable with Haskell:)  )
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21:04:49 <salpynx> nice, this is what I wanted: print(frc(app(app(I, I), val(0))))  => 0
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22:09:18 <zzo38> Make the better rending it will mostly ignore the CSS in favour of the default styles (e.g. <STRONG> and <B> are bold, etc) and the ARIA roles; a few CSS rules might still be used (e.g. if it specifies to use a fixpitch font (but ignores specifically which font) or to disable wrapping).
22:09:23 <zzo38> For example, if a document contains <div id="percent-loaded" role="progressbar" aria-valuenow="75" aria-valuemin="0" aria-valuemax="100"></div> then it might be displayed as a 75% full bar, as "75/100", or as something else, subject to the user configuration.
22:10:44 <zzo38> Many other things are also possible (some of which can work even without ARIA), including things that may improve rendering speed and execution speed, getting rid of some annoyances, allowing better user configuration to toggle and adjust things, key remapping, etc.
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00:57:55 <esolangs> [[Vyxaaaallalllalalallala]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92144&oldid=91091 * Fmbalbuena * (-19) Why?
01:05:12 <esolangs> [[Minscode]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92145&oldid=74130 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+496) Reformatted the command list.
01:06:39 <esolangs> [[Minscode]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92146&oldid=92145 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+166) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Minscode programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented.
01:09:06 <esolangs> [[Minscode]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92147&oldid=92146 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+62) Added a truth-machine as an example program.
01:19:55 <esolangs> [[Minscode]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92148&oldid=92147 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+286) Corrected the Fibonacci numbers example, which hitherto merely printed an infinite sequence of zeroes.
01:48:35 <b_jonas> wait. largest volcano eruption of the century? haven't we already had like three largest ones?
01:59:52 <int-e> the n-th eruption has a 1/n chance of being the largest one, or something like that :P
02:00:19 <int-e> > exp 4
02:00:20 <lambdabot>  54.598150033144236
02:01:11 <fizzie> fungot: Did you anger the earth god or something? 
02:01:11 <fungot> fizzie: python is cool, try lists and lists
02:01:15 <int-e> > length $ takeWhile < 4 $ scanl1 (+) [1/n | n <- [1..]]
02:01:16 <lambdabot>  error:
02:01:16 <lambdabot>      • Couldn't match expected type ‘[a2] -> t0 a0’
02:01:16 <lambdabot>                    with actual type ‘Bool’
02:01:28 <int-e> > length $ takeWhile (< 4) $ scanl1 (+) [1/n | n <- [1..]]
02:01:29 <int-e> ouch.
02:01:29 <lambdabot>  30
02:02:25 <int-e> (~30 eruptions in 20 years doesn't sound like a whole lot... now how many were there really?)
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06:52:35 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92151&oldid=92083 * Pikal * (+161) /* Introductions */
06:52:44 <esolangs> [[PocketBF]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92152 * Pikal * (+51) Created page with "PocketBF is a MicroBF equivalent. More coming soon."
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08:27:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Lyxal]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92154&oldid=92153 * TwilightSparkle * (+107) /* Why 1+? */
08:34:46 <esolangs> [[!@$%^&*()+]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92155&oldid=91834 * TwilightSparkle * (+43) 
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10:19:25 <riv> https://cp4space.hatsya.com/2022/01/14/conway-conjecture-settled/ this was linked in math offtopic
10:19:28 <riv> but i dont understand it
10:20:11 <riv> ah it's disproving "not every still-life can be constructed by colliding gliders."
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11:30:18 <riv> 🟩⬜⬜🟩🟩 / 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
11:30:21 <riv> feels good
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11:35:58 <riv> unrelated. New word discovered: zyzzyva
11:36:12 <riv> a genus of South American weevils, often found on or near palm trees
11:38:46 <riv> Aaadonta is a genus of air-breathing land snails, terrestrial pulmonate gastropod mollusks in the family Endodontidae. Zyzzyxdonta alata is a species of air-breathing land snail, a terrestrial pulmonate gastropod mollusk in the family Endodontidae. 
11:47:07 <fizzie> I did a ▄▄▄▄▄ the day before.
11:47:21 <riv> very nice 
11:47:29 <riv> that'd harder
11:47:32 <fizzie> I think at that point it's mostly luck though.
11:48:14 <riv> im impressed at the one line diagram 
11:51:14 <fizzie> Today's was a ▄█▀██ / ▄▄█▄█ which I can't fit on one line.
11:55:19 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92156 * Otesunki * (+816) Created page with "{{Stub}}  '''Yoctostack''' is an esolang made by [[User:Otesunki|User:Otesunki]] ([[User talk:Otesunki|talk]]) based loosely on [[Minsky machine|Minsky machines]] and operates..."
11:59:13 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92157&oldid=92131 * Otesunki * (+17) /* Y */
11:59:51 <esolangs> [[User:Otesunki]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92158&oldid=92143 * Otesunki * (+44) /* useful proof by reduction langs */
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12:48:09 <FireFly> hm yeah, too many states to be able to use braille characters too
12:49:22 <FireFly> I had an unfortunate one-char-off today on my second-to-last guess
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14:19:44 <fizzie> I guess you could do something like ⣁⣄⣦⣀⣿ to represent that ▄█▀██ / ▄▄█▄█, where 0, 1 or 2 dots denotes the state.
14:20:03 <fizzie> Not quite as glanceable though.
14:20:15 <riv> just win every game in 2 shots
14:20:22 <riv> then it can be expressed using that nice unicode hack
14:24:03 <esolangs> [[User talk:SunnyMoon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92161&oldid=92064 * TwilightSparkle * (-339) /* A Possibility */
14:24:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:SunnyMoon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92162&oldid=92161 * TwilightSparkle * (-1) /* An 102-byte submission in !@#$%^&*()+ */
14:26:23 <esolangs> [[PocketBF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92163&oldid=92152 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+32) Stub, languages
14:27:55 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92164&oldid=92157 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+15) /* P */ Add
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15:05:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92166&oldid=91995 * Peter * (-19) Blanked the page
15:25:25 <esolangs> [[Dirac]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92167&oldid=92136 * Palaiologos * (+0) fix a misplaced code tag
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15:43:49 <riv> 1 year is 365.2425 days
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16:04:10 <wib_jonas> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Countdown_in_header_text apparently xkcd is doing another thing that lasts for more than a few days
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16:25:02 <wib_jonas> riv: nice, that actually proves more than just that the pattern can't be built with gliders
16:25:35 <wib_jonas> the article says that the pattern can't be built in any way other than starting from itself.
16:27:31 <riv> yes very interesting! I love how people are still discovering things about game of life. It never stops amazing me the list of brilliant things that Conway discovered and shared
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16:53:54 <esolangs> [[InstructionPointerBF]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92179 * Pikal * (+475) Created page with "InstructionPointerBF is a [[PocketBF]] variant. There are only 2 instructions, so it can take instruction in binary. The motivation for creating InstructionPointerBF is to all..."
16:55:40 <esolangs> [[InstructionPointerBF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92180&oldid=92179 * Pikal * (+118) 
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17:16:03 <esolangs> [[InstructionPointerBF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92190&oldid=92189 * Pikal * (-1) /* Cat Program */
17:16:17 <esolangs> [[InstructionPointerBF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92191&oldid=92190 * Pikal * (-10) 
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17:52:34 <esolangs> [[TinyBF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92193&oldid=71980 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Derivative, not equivalent
17:54:14 <esolangs> [[PocketBF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92194&oldid=92184 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+35) Add a category
17:57:04 <esolangs> [[InstructionPointerBF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92195&oldid=92192 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+88) Add categories
17:59:16 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92196&oldid=92164 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+27) /* I */ add
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19:02:04 <esolangs> [[User:Viba]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92198&oldid=90598 * Viba * (+11) 
19:03:14 <imode> I hope whatever randall is doing beats out Time, that was an internet event.
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19:11:41 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92200&oldid=91246 * Viba * (+73) /* Implementations */ add Fist
19:11:58 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92201&oldid=92196 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+14) /* Z */ Add mysterious language
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19:57:36 <esolangs> [[Ant]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92204&oldid=14629 * Squidmanescape * (+23) 
19:59:43 <esolangs> [[Asparagus]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92205&oldid=89202 * Squidmanescape * (+72) 
20:21:27 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92206&oldid=92058 * PixelatedStarfish * (+546) /* Error Codes */
20:22:34 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92207&oldid=92206 * PixelatedStarfish * (+61) /* Test Cases */
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21:24:23 <b_jonas> do you still drink a lot, fungot?
21:24:23 <fungot> b_jonas: what's unnecessary there? simply send pre-expanded code. undefined order is just the zeroth loser. don't touch me!
21:47:17 <imode> that's remarkably coherent.
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22:20:12 <zzo38> Is it possible to make stunnel to disable TLS if the first byte is wrong, but will still accept the data, and will set an environment variable to tell it if it is TLS or not?
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23:45:49 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92212&oldid=92211 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* External Links */
23:46:05 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92213&oldid=92212 * PixelatedStarfish * (-149) /* Test Cases */
23:47:23 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92214&oldid=92213 * PixelatedStarfish * (-218) /* Interpreter Specifications */

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00:02:38 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92215&oldid=92156 * Otesunki * (+94) credit quintopia with further minimalizations
00:22:59 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92216&oldid=92215 * Otesunki * (-3) j o k e s
00:23:28 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92217&oldid=92216 * Otesunki * (+5) mental copy paste error
00:30:32 <fizzie> ▀▀███
00:30:34 <fizzie> ▀ ▀██
00:30:38 <fizzie> ▀▀▀▀▀  not very lucky today
00:30:46 <fizzie> Whoops, I forgot to turn off the color there.
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01:12:17 <esolangs> [[PocketBF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92220&oldid=92218 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-35) This isn't a brainfuck equivalent as per the category's definition
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02:27:25 <esolangs> [[SolboScript]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92222&oldid=92221 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+211) Extended the specification regarding the inchoate BWEEEEEEEEEEEEE (loop until) command, following the pattern of BWEEEEEEEEEEE (if).
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04:10:42 <Guest34> https://preview.tinyurl.com/yrxmb83n I think I made some sort of esolang.
04:13:22 <Guest34> Just put it here. https://github.com/PyMaster22/test-git-repo/blob/main/esolang.py
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05:08:11 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92225&oldid=92224 * PixelatedStarfish * (+36) /* External Links */
05:09:04 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92226&oldid=92225 * PixelatedStarfish * (+71) 
05:10:58 <esolangs> [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92227&oldid=91610 * PixelatedStarfish * (-110) /* Unimplemented Languages */
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05:11:49 <esolangs> [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92230&oldid=92229 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* Heck */
05:12:21 <esolangs> [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92231&oldid=92230 * PixelatedStarfish * (+21) /* MacroBeep */
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09:01:12 <tromp> int-e: do you know how to rewrite your monadic whnf reducer to a nf one?
09:46:02 <tromp> i have something that requires distringuishing bound from unbound variable lookups, which is kinda hacky (using Var MININT)
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15:26:40 <esolangs> [[Init]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92232&oldid=92051 * WhyNot? * (+19) 
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15:27:33 <wib_jonas> `? Rosetta scone
15:27:36 <HackEso> Rosetta scone? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:37:16 <riv> LOL
16:00:10 <riv> https://github.com/barrettotte/punchit#introduction-to-punch-cards very pretty ascii art
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19:28:31 <int-e> tromp: kind of (the `red` function is a start), but tracking indices through the Abs case gets hairy: since tracking indices with all the captured contexts is too hairy, you'd have to apply them to a dummy variable, continue reducing, and then translate those dummies back in the end
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19:44:07 <int-e> tromp: Basically that's the reason why I wrote all those `check*` functions: I have a good idea how to go about it, but have not actually worked it out in full detail.
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19:46:39 <tromp> i wondered if there was an elegant way to do it without application to dummy variables, but maybe there isn't
19:49:45 <tromp> when reducing a subterm like (\. 0 1) that is not applied, the 1 might need to be looked up from the environment, while the 0 should remain as is. 
19:50:17 <int-e> oh right I should call those environments
19:50:58 <int-e> Anyway there's environments within environments and there's no record of the depth at which they were captured.
19:51:11 <tromp> i added some more types to your whnf:
19:51:24 <tromp> data L = Var !Int | Abs L | App L L | Ctx Closure deriving (Eq)
19:51:25 <tromp> type Environment = [Closure]
19:51:32 <tromp> data Closure = Clo Environment L deriving (Eq)
19:52:37 <tromp> i had overlooked your red function. let me study that one....
19:54:00 <int-e> well, it stops where things would get interesting
19:55:32 <tromp> so that only works when the nf is all dummy variables?
19:56:04 <int-e> yeah, but it doesn't introduce any itself
19:57:56 <int-e> let me see if I can get anywhere within half an hour or so
19:59:31 <tromp> what i really need is a way to test if two terms have the same nf; i don't need to know what the nf is...
20:00:14 <tromp> maybe dummy vars are the best way to do that
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20:07:36 <int-e> tromp: https://paste.debian.net/1227557/ should do the trick for closed terms
20:08:37 <tromp> Thanks, int-e! will take me longer to grok then you to write:-)
20:11:06 <int-e> And you can skip the `localize` if you just want to compare; what happens is that the resulting term has variables -1 referring to outermost lambdas, -2 referring to lambdas nested one deep, etc; so it's a global index where de Bruijn ones are local.
20:12:00 <int-e> (hence the name `localize`
20:12:02 <int-e> )
20:12:26 <tromp> awesome!
20:15:04 <tromp> does that work with my above types?
20:15:41 <tromp> compiler complains about 203 |     spine d t@(Clo _ (Abs _)) = do
20:15:47 <int-e> mostly. Clo _ (Abs _) should be Ctx (Clo _ (Abs _))
20:15:52 <tromp> Couldn't match expected type ‘L’ with actual type ‘Closure’
20:16:01 <tromp> ah, that's what i suspected
20:16:26 <tromp> compiler happy now
20:16:47 <int-e> (I changed the constructor name, but didn't add a type for closures)
20:17:35 <tromp> it works like a charm!
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20:30:21 <int-e> tromp: cleaning up (and picking a slightly different corner in the separate type for closures design space): https://paste.debian.net/1227560/
20:32:23 <int-e> (by a circuitous route: I used Ctx (Clo _ _), then added an UNPACK pragma and a pattern synonym  CloL c e = Ctx (Clo c e), and then realized that if the pattern synonym would just be a constructor, I'd get the same code)
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20:44:00 <int-e> tromp: and obviously you can interleave two copies of that code and have a lazier check for equal normal forms, if you want one
20:46:58 <int-e> Oh and `localize` and `spine` can probably be fused, hmm.
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21:24:38 <tromp> true; but when comparing all terms of a certain size over a basis, it can be expected to be almost fully expanded anyway
21:24:53 <tromp> or i should say up to a certain size
21:32:23 <salpynx> re. alpha; are you both working towards a publication or release of something with this? I was considering modifying the scheme / LazyK interpreter to recognise `α` and play with writing some simple programs. Wasn't sure if I should wait, or how to provide attribution.
21:33:40 <salpynx> (I'm probably not likely to do this imminently, despite best intentions)
21:39:26 <tromp> me and mtve might write a paper together, but also not imminent
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01:23:05 <esolangs> [[TinyBF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92242&oldid=92193 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+35) equivalent
01:23:37 <esolangs> [[PocketBF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92243&oldid=92220 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+35) yes it is
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06:01:14 <imode> is the join calculus turing complete?
06:01:37 <imode> do we have like, a proof for that.
06:03:13 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Join-calculus "espite this limitation, the join-calculus is as expressive as the full π-calculus." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-calculus#Turing_completeness
06:11:20 <imode> I wonder if there's a higher order version of this, where the reaction rules themselves are molecules.
06:11:22 <imode> hm.
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09:03:50 <b_jonas> I have a question that maybe you #esolangs have already met and know the answer off-hand. 
09:05:10 <b_jonas> Suppose you get as inputs two rational numbers given as numerator and denominator pairs. You want to compute their bitwise and, as if you wrote them as binary fractions and took bitwise and of the corresponding digits with same weights, then express the answer as a reduced fraction with shortest numerator and denominator. 
09:05:54 <b_jonas> How long can the numerator and denominator of the result be? I know it's at most exponentially longer than the input numerators and denominators, but do we know if it can actually be that long? Or is there a smaller bound for some reason?
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09:44:47 <tromp> please use variables to clarify your problem. are you asking about  (a and c) /(b and d) from two fractions a/b and c/d ?
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09:45:55 <tromp> there's no increase in number's size there
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10:51:13 <fizzie> I thought the question was clear enough. Given a/b and c/d, write both a/b and c/d as binary fractions (101010.00110011...), do a bitwise and of all corresponding bits, and represent the result as x/y.
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10:51:42 <wib_jonas> tromp: no
10:51:47 <wib_jonas> but I should give examples
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11:00:18 <tromp> that makes more sense, @fizzie
11:06:53 <tromp> the effect should be the same as adding fractions; numbers at most double in size (#digits)
11:07:42 <tromp> if one fraction repeats every x bits, and the other every y bits, then their and (xor, or) repeats every x*y bits
11:12:22 <wib_jonas> I should try to implement it and experiment with fractions that have a long period
11:13:36 <wib_jonas> tromp: the problem is that if the denominator is q, then in some bad cases the fraction can be O(q) digits long, or more precisely phi(q) where phi is the Euler phi function. that's where the exponential comes in
11:15:05 <wib_jonas> in particular, in decimal the repeating part of 1/7 has 6 digits, and the repeating part of 1/19 has 18 digits
11:15:31 <wib_jonas> these are decimal, and we need binary instead, so 1/7 or 1/19 needn't be the worst cases, but the general idea is the same
11:15:37 <wib_jonas> that's where the exponential comes in
11:17:27 <fizzie> Yeah, but if the denominator *values* are n and m (so lengths log n and log m), the maximum periods are n-1 and m-1 respectively; after the and operation, the result has a period of at most n*m, so the denominator value is also at most n*m; and its length is therefore log n*m = log n + log m, or the sum of the lengths of the inputs.
11:17:54 <fizzie> Or something along those very handwavy lines.
11:20:15 <wib_jonas> OEIS says http://oeis.org/A006883 for decimal,
11:20:49 <wib_jonas> which points to http://oeis.org/A001122
11:21:34 <wib_jonas> those aren't necessarily the only cases to care about here, but they're probably where I should start experimenting
11:26:29 <tromp> so the idea is that in a/b,c/d, the cycle lengths are O(b) and O(d), while in and(a/b,d/d), the cycle length of O(bd) is sublinear (maybe even logarithmic) in the new denominator
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12:20:21 <kit-ten> i want to make an esolang based on sounds but i have no idea where to start
12:20:51 <kit-ten> idk if i want it to be about pitches or amplitude or both
12:25:20 <Taneb> I'd think about what being based on sounds lets you do that more conventional languages wouldn't be able to
12:25:55 <kit-ten> MULTITHREADDEDNESS
12:26:05 <kit-ten> by having band pass filters
12:26:17 <kit-ten> to filter out the threads
12:26:27 <kit-ten> and commands would be amplitude
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14:14:20 <wib_jonas> if I calculate correctly, 1/29 & 2/29 = 318/158369, with the above mentioned bitwise or on rationals
14:18:52 <wib_jonas> in fact you can get a bit better, 1/29 & 4/29 = 275720/268435455
14:19:05 <riv> I think that bitwise or basically gives you a random number <= the two numbers
14:19:31 <riv> sorry, not <=, >= , but < the next power of 2
14:20:05 <riv> so I would not really expect any pattern or bound beyond the bound you would get from analyzing a random version
14:26:09 <wib_jonas> riv: it's not a random version. I deliberately chose a bad divisor. in particular, 1/43 & 2/43 = 40/5461, and that's the worst you can get with 43 as the divisor. so not all divisors are that bad.
14:28:12 <wib_jonas> similarly bitwise anding two numbers with divisor 89, you only get four decimal digit divisors. but 1/83 & 2/83 = 1428779509760/182518930210733 is fifteen digits.
14:28:38 <wib_jonas> but all this is preliminary, I'll have to check those calculations properly later
14:32:02 <tromp> 1/29 & 4/29 = 488/475107
14:32:57 <wib_jonas> er yes indeed
14:33:03 <wib_jonas>  pasted that wrong
14:33:14 <wib_jonas> I pasted the non-simplified form
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14:47:46 <wib_jonas> and 1/121 & 2/121 = 1670295609603574/4359484439294640007 a long result with non-prime divisor
14:51:59 <wib_jonas> http://oeis.org/A139099 may be relevant on a pure numeric basis
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14:52:54 <wib_jonas> or http://oeis.org/A179383 , who knows
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15:05:44 <wib_jonas> the original idea was to consider an esoteric language that has rational number arithmetic built in, so I was wondering what operations it would need to have. obviously it would have rational constants, add/subtract, multiply/divide, lessthan/lessequal/equal/notequal, min/max, then I thought you should throw in gcd/lcm (so you can easily extract
15:05:44 <wib_jonas> the denominator of x like x/gcd(1,x)). then I thought it should have bitwise operations too like a normal language that has integer arithmetic built in, and wondered about the consequences of that.
15:06:16 <riv> well, there's fractran!
15:06:28 <riv> so i think your idea could work great
15:07:45 <wib_jonas> also it would need floor/ceil or some kind of integer division and modulo
15:07:58 <wib_jonas> (any of the lots of variants with different rounding)
15:08:35 <wib_jonas> I wasn't thinking of fractran, this was for an idea different from that, and it probably doesn't even need rational numbers, but my thoughts led to a weird place
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15:09:06 <wib_jonas> but apparently there's a good reason why you don't include bitwise operations when computing with rational numbers, because the resutls can be too long
15:11:51 <wib_jonas> so suddenly it got esoteric in a very different way than I started from
15:17:08 <wib_jonas> though of course you could just add bitwise operations that only take the integer parts of the input
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18:34:01 <zzo38> Can a adjacency matrix be used to canonize a unlabeled graph (even without storing the adjacency matrix, possibly)?
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18:43:45 <b_jonas> zzo38: if you mean both the vertexes and edges are unlabeled, the kind of no, as in not in a way that's both fast and uses a simple algorithm. the problem is that a fast algorithm would imply that you can solve the graph isomorphism problem fast, and while that is probably possible, we don't have an algorithm known for it.
18:45:34 <b_jonas> zzo38: if you are willing to spend exponential time, then yes, you can absolutely canonicalize the graph: just consider all node permutations, permute the matrix rows and columns according to it, and take whichever permuted adj'cy matrix is lexicographically the first among all permutations.
18:50:52 <int-e> "exponential time" can often be fast. e.g. https://pallini.di.uniroma1.it/
18:52:39 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, we can solve all practical cases quickly
18:53:03 <int-e> (They focus on finding graph automorphisms, but the same techniques can also be used to canonicalize graphs)
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01:52:17 <Soni> how many states would you need to describe a modern computer as a FSM?
01:53:40 <Corbin> It's the obvious answer; there's not much symmetry, aside from maybe dividing out the permutations from general-purpose registers.
01:54:03 <kit-ten> 2^(sum of total memory including disks in bits)
01:55:34 <kit-ten> which is some really large number that is not reasonably calculatable
01:57:34 <Soni> 2^(8*2^(bus width))?
01:58:10 <kit-ten> dont forget disk space
01:58:18 <Soni> who needs disk space
01:58:24 <kit-ten> i do
01:58:37 <Soni> besides, 48-bit is about 256TiB
01:58:47 <Soni> 64-bit already includes all your disk space
01:58:57 <kit-ten> my pc has so little ram that it  pretty much needs swap
01:59:02 <int-e> <please insert disk 23132555123>
01:59:08 <kit-ten> lol
01:59:21 <kit-ten> once i tried using a floppy disk as swap
01:59:28 <kit-ten> it did not work out
01:59:47 <Corbin> Soni: What's your goal? The biggest space that you can reasonably explore is 64-bit floating-point numbers, I'd estimate.
01:59:50 <Soni> 1.44MB swap vs 64KiB RAM?
01:59:59 <kit-ten> well
02:00:08 <kit-ten> it technically has uh
02:00:14 <kit-ten> 364mib of ram
02:00:57 <Soni> are there even 8-bit micros with multitasking OSes?
02:00:57 <int-e> Soni: Do you know what an "overlay" is from that 640kb era?
02:01:57 <Soni> int-e: not really, we weren't alive at the time
02:02:27 <kit-ten> i wasnt alive when floppy disks were commonly used at all but here we are
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02:02:43 <kit-ten> ayyy howdy razetime, didnt know u were here
02:02:58 <razetime> oh i autojoin every day
02:03:04 <razetime> hi there kit
02:03:06 <kit-ten> never noticed lol
02:03:10 <kit-ten> i do top
02:03:13 <kit-ten> too
02:03:21 <Soni> somehow we did manage to catch ppl using windows 95 tho
02:03:27 <kit-ten> ew
02:03:35 <Soni> or well, one person
02:03:45 <kit-ten> imagine using windows
02:03:58 <kit-ten> this post was made by the ms dos gang
02:04:06 <Soni> XP was just better for the most part
02:04:09 <int-e> Soni: basically when your code was too big people made that part swappable... you could load an "overlay" a kind of module into its own code segment on demand and then jump into it... (they were relocatable via segment registers)
02:04:53 <int-e> kit-ten: 364 is odd, are you sure it isn't 384?
02:04:58 <kit-ten> soni i must agree yea but if youre more technically inclined slitaz is the way to go
02:05:07 <kit-ten> sorry meant 384
02:06:01 <Soni> int-e: segment registers are weird and we're glad we never had to deal with them
02:06:24 <int-e> Soni: heh have a look at how thread local storage works on x86 and x86-64
02:06:57 <Soni> int-e: we thought those just used page tables
02:07:33 <int-e> they don't. which is a good thing, because you can switch between threads of the same process without changing page tables
02:08:27 <int-e> though there are several ways to design around that
02:08:38 <kit-ten> soni you and a couple people often refer to themselves as "we" and i wondered why, is it just a habit or is it something to fit with they/them pronouns bc theyre plural too
02:08:57 <int-e> but x86 had segment registers... so *one* of them still survives for that purpose. the others are there but have madatory values.
02:09:02 <Soni> kit-ten: they/them pronouns aren't necessarily plural - "themself" vs "themselves"
02:09:12 <int-e> *mandatory
02:09:26 <Soni> kit-ten: https://morethanone.info/
02:09:46 <kit-ten> oh
02:09:52 <kit-ten> sorry if i was being rude
02:10:12 <int-e> (or is it two? I'm not sure whether both fs and gs can be used for these things or not)
02:10:47 <Soni> int-e: well that's just sad
02:10:47 <int-e> anyway, they have little to do with segments from the 16 bit x86 era.
02:11:10 <int-e> uh, that's not narrow enough. real mode, specifically.
02:11:19 <Soni> page tables are great for real thread-local storage
02:11:33 <int-e> 286's protected mode had segments with more or less arbitrary base addresses, but no pages.
02:12:28 <Soni> means the TLS doesn't leak to other threads
02:12:52 <int-e> I wonder... can x86-64 switch threads in userspace?
02:13:04 <int-e> but isolating threads against one another is a fool's errand
02:13:23 <int-e> they share the whole memory map after all, why exclude the TLS?
02:13:28 <shachaf> What is thread switching? Are you including setting the segment register?
02:13:52 <int-e> yeah, I mean reloading ... fs, I think.
02:14:10 <int-e> historically that's a user space operation
02:14:17 <shachaf> Certainly people implement userspace threads, but usually in that case you still want per-OS-thread TLS and per-userspace-thread TLS.
02:14:25 <Soni> int-e: oh no they share the TLS memory map too it would just map to different physical memory for each thread
02:14:29 <zzo38> The words "they" and "you" are plural, but can refer to singular, too.
02:14:36 <int-e> shachaf: I mean switching OS threads within the same process
02:14:56 <int-e> not light-weight threads, that's a different can of worms
02:15:19 <fizzie> Both fs and gs survive, and IIRC Linux and Windows picked the exact opposites to use for TLS purposes.
02:15:30 <Soni> but this is all Cursed Stuff
02:15:31 <shachaf> Linux has the system call arch_prctl for setting fs.
02:15:39 <shachaf> But I don't think you can do it yourself.
02:15:47 <fizzie> And did both of them swap it between x86-32 to x86-64 to end up with the opposites again? Something like that.
02:16:05 <int-e> Soni: Well, it turns out that switching the physical pages for TLS space is just one point in the design space.
02:16:08 <shachaf> You can't even read fs in userspace, in fact, I think?
02:16:47 <zzo38> Why doesn't it?
02:17:26 <Soni> (also, not gonna lie, still longing for the ability to say fuck it to stack sizes and just set everything to 256TiB and still have 65535 concurrent threads + a 256TiB heap)
02:17:27 <fizzie> There's MSRs (FSBase, GSBase) for setting the base address instead of going via a segment selector.
02:17:37 <Soni> (we have 64-bits why not use *all* of it)
02:17:59 <int-e> shachaf: I'll try to find out... the question is really, how much of what 32 bit x86 did (full segment register support, including loading them from user space) survived the transition to 64 bit.
02:19:00 <int-e> Maybe they went back and forth on this? "With the Ivy Bridge CPU generation Intel introduced a new set of instructions to access the FS and GS base registers directly from user space. These instructions are also supported on AMD Family 17H CPUs."
02:19:20 <shachaf> Oh, oh, I think I remember something about that.
02:19:23 <fizzie> FWIW, pretty sure segment selectors are still a thing for other attributes, it's just that the base addresses of memory accesses with cs/ds/es/ss are forced to zero.
02:19:55 <shachaf> I think in Linux the standard thing to do is to write the value of %fs to %fs:0, so you can just read it from there.
02:19:59 <int-e> fizzie: well, the associated descriptor tables (GDT, LDT) are gone in 64 bit mode.
02:20:34 <fizzie> No they're not.
02:20:38 <int-e> oh
02:20:56 <fizzie> 3.5.2 "Segment Descriptor Tables in IA-32e Mode" says so.
02:21:02 <Soni> (well, 65534 threads if you want a 256TiB TLS too)
02:21:15 <int-e> "in IA-32e Mode"
02:21:19 <zzo38> Should the operating system emulate the instruction if the CPU is a older one without the instruction (or if it has but is not allowed in user mode)?
02:21:25 <fizzie> Yes, IA-32e mode means x86-64.
02:21:46 <zzo38> Why does it say "IA-32e" then?
02:21:53 <Soni> (which, by the way, would be EXTREMELY useful! have you ever tried writing .so plugins in rust only to find you keep running out of TLS?)
02:21:59 <fizzie> Because that's what Intel decided to call it, before EM64T, and then Intel 64.
02:22:05 <int-e> hrm, okay that confuses me.
02:22:11 <int-e> but let me read
02:22:16 <fizzie> It stands for "IA-32 extensions", because it's *extended* from that, as opposed to something like Itanium.
02:23:45 <fizzie> "System descriptors are expanded to 16 bytes (occupying the space of two entries). GDTR and LDTR registers are expanded to hold 64-bit base address." And so on.
02:24:46 <fizzie> 5.2.1 "Code-Segment Descriptor in 64-bit Mode" "Code segments continue to exist in 64-bit mode even though, for address calculations, the segment base is treated as zero."
02:25:19 <int-e> Ah, the stacks for each privilege level survive in the TSS, so TSSs have to continue to exist, so the GDT has to continue to exist...
02:25:36 <fizzie> "Some code-segment (CS) descriptor content (the base address and limit fields) is ignored; the remaining fields function normally (except for the readable bit in the type field). Code segment descriptors and selectors are needed in IA-32e mode to establish the processor's operating mode and execution privilege-level."
02:26:38 <fizzie> The bit switching between 64-bit mode and compatibility mode is also in the selected CS descriptor.
02:28:02 <fizzie> I think I got the impression that you could still load FS and GS base addresses via the descriptor tables, too, but other ways of doing it (like those MSRs) were added as well. Never really gotten too deep on the lore.
02:32:49 <fizzie> Oh, it was a little more subtle than that. You can load a 32-bit address via descriptors, but you need to do something else to load a full 64-bit base address.
02:33:19 <int-e> Yeah I got there: "Normal segment loads (MOV to Sreg and POP Sreg) into FS and GS load a standard 32-bit base value in the hidden portion of the segment register. The base address bits above the standard 32 bits are cleared to 0 to allow consistency for implementations that use less than 64 bits."
02:34:04 <int-e> ...so code segments are still a thing?
02:35:29 <fizzie> Yeah. "Software with CPL = 0 (privileged software) can load all supported linear-address bits into FS.base or GS.base using WRMSR." Plus those new {RD,WR}{FS,GS}BASE instructions you mentioned for "avoid[in]g the overhead of the arch_prctl() syscall and allow[ing] more flexible usage of the FS/GS addressing modes in user space applications", to quote from
02:35:31 <fizzie> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/x86/x86_64/fsgs.html
02:36:32 <fizzie> (How did that 'g' end up outside the brackets?)
02:36:59 <int-e> Oh you quoted this... code segments exist but the base is treated as 0.
02:37:37 <int-e> ] and g are on two different hands?
02:38:12 <fizzie> Hmm, so they are.
02:38:51 <int-e> (Oh I'm assuming US layout)
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02:39:44 <int-e> (not that this is different in the other layouts I know, but I'd be less likely to type g and altgr-8 or whatever it would be for DE out of order)
02:40:11 <int-e> (for example, of course)
02:40:58 <fizzie> Yeah, it's altgr-9 in the Finnish one. Makes all those things that hardcode [] for a shortcut to cycle through things a little annoying.
02:41:52 <int-e> *checking* yeah altgr-8 would be right
02:42:22 <int-e> (one of the more annoying things when I switched was that () are shift-8 and shift-9 on the DE layout...)
02:42:43 <fizzie> We (well, I'm not using it any more, so they) have {[]} in that order as the level-3 shift characters of 7890. And () as shift-8/9 too.
02:42:57 <int-e> so I had trouble with parentheses for a while
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02:43:20 <int-e> and yeah, DE does the same for {[]}
02:44:06 <int-e> It's the curly braces in particular that drove me to the US layout.
02:45:15 <int-e> (before, I placed my right thumb on Alt-Gr and then the right index finger on the 7, that's not very ergonomic)
02:47:13 <int-e> or maybe s/index finger/middle finger/, I'm not sure
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04:18:02 <int-e> alsamixer is back to looking awful, wtf did they change this time...
04:31:36 <j4cbo> alasmixer
04:35:58 <int-e> Mumble. They added a `set background <color>` option. What are the chances that this broke the more elaborate coloring offered through `color <elment> ...`? 
04:39:21 <int-e> pretty damn good is what they are
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04:55:10 <int-e> (cf. https://github.com/alsa-project/alsa-utils/issues/137 )
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12:24:36 <wib_jonas> "And did both of them swap it between x86-32 to x86-64 to end up with the opposites again?" => wait what?
12:26:12 <wib_jonas> int-e: IIUC, x86_64 is designed that you can run an x86_64 and x86_32 code in the same process and address space at user level, jumping between them with long jumps, and this does actually happen on x86_64 win32, but can't on Linux because the kernel doesn't have support for it and kernel support is required
12:29:12 <wib_jonas> it's not that it would be impossible to make it work in Linux if you modified the kernel, but it would have so few uses and so many bugs that it's just not worth to support
12:29:24 <wib_jonas> but from the point of view of the CPU architecture itself it makes sense to support this
12:35:40 <fizzie> wib_jonas: AIUI, on Linux (at least for glibc-based systems), on i386 the %gs segment base is where the user-space thread structure lives, and is used for TLS. On x86-64, that's changed to use %fs instead. By contrast, the Win32 "Thread Information Block" is located using the %fs segment register on 32-bit systems, and %gs on 64-bit ones.
12:36:13 <fizzie> First few random Google hits on this (https://wiki.osdev.org/Thread_Local_Storage for the former, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32_Thread_Information_Block for the latter) would seem to agree.
12:38:28 <wib_jonas> fizzie: ok. that suonds crazy.
12:38:35 <fizzie> The structures would obviously be entirely incompatible anyway, so I don't think there's any particular consequences from them being the opposites, I just found it amusing that both changed in the 32-bit/64-bit transition to stay as opposites. (Although maybe it has some implications for Wine?)
12:39:16 <wib_jonas> sure, I don't think it has any bad consequences or anything, especially after the x86_32 are already different
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12:40:34 <wib_jonas> x86_64 win32 and x86_32 use different enough calling conventions that you almost always have to be aware of the difference when writing machine code, so using different registers for thread specific values as well doesn't matter too much
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13:57:59 <esolangs> [[User:CappyIsCrappy]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92301&oldid=92300 * CappyIsCrappy * (+2) 
13:58:11 <esolangs> [[BF instruction minimalization]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92302&oldid=87087 * CappyIsCrappy * (+283) 
14:05:32 <esolangs> [[User talk:Palaiologos]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92303&oldid=92235 * Palaiologos * (+162) 
14:10:28 <kit-ten> ...
14:11:37 <kit-ten> razetime do you know what she means by "further actions"
14:11:57 <razetime> dunno
14:12:25 <kit-ten> how can i get her to forgive me
14:16:12 <razetime> time travel?
14:18:38 <riv> are you guys from discord?
14:19:28 <Corbin> Is this off-wiki or on-wiki drama? Also, have you tried sitting down in a quiet place and deliberately not thinking of anything for a few minutes?
14:20:24 <riv> Corbin !
14:23:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Manjoos *  New user account
14:24:52 <wib_jonas> I was wondering if I should create a wisdom entry saying something like "Corbin is the most frequent #esolangs regular without a wisdom entry", but then I realized
14:24:54 <wib_jonas> `? wib_jonas
14:24:55 <HackEso> wib_jonas? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
14:25:05 <wib_jonas> there's no wib_jonas wisdom entry. there's one for wob_jonas and b_jonas.
14:25:11 <wib_jonas> so that won't work
14:25:27 <wib_jonas> I guess I should just move the wob_jonas entry to wib_jonas
14:26:18 <riv> fungot: this is rather esoteric
14:26:19 <fungot> riv: _i'm_ having trouble remembering what foo was. :( only one? if the obsolete one is called syntax-rules. how does your aunt do the printing?
14:26:27 <wib_jonas> ``` mv -vi /hackenv/wisdom/w{o,i}b_jonas
14:26:30 <HackEso> renamed '/hackenv/wisdom/wob_jonas' -> '/hackenv/wisdom/wib_jonas'
14:26:33 <wib_jonas> `? wib_jonas
14:26:34 <HackEso> wob_jonas is b_jonas in disguise, so that he can do magic tricks.
14:26:38 <esolangs> [[User:CappyIsCrappy]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92304&oldid=92301 * CappyIsCrappy * (-12) 
14:26:44 <wib_jonas> hmm, that needs some improvement
14:27:07 <wib_jonas> ``` sed -i s/wob/wib/ /hackenv/wisdom/wib_jonas
14:27:10 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/wisdom/wib_jonas//wib_jonas is b_jonas in disguise, so that he can do magic tricks.
14:27:13 <wib_jonas> `? wib_jonas
14:27:15 <HackEso> wib_jonas is b_jonas in disguise, so that he can do magic tricks.
14:27:19 <wib_jonas> better
14:28:29 <wib_jonas> (there's also no wisdom entry for callforjudgement, but he also only used to be a regular like wob_jonas)
14:34:58 <esolangs> [[User talk:Palaiologos]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92305&oldid=92303 * Not applicable * (+324) 
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14:37:48 <Corbin> Ah, it's Discord drama.
14:38:49 <kit-ten> i did something stupid and now she hates me
14:39:19 <riv> can we kick em out
14:39:24 <kit-ten> me?
14:39:27 <riv> yes you
14:39:32 <riv> the person who just ignored me
14:40:06 <kit-ten> sorry i dont want to bring drama here its just that via the wiki is the only way i can talk to her
14:40:19 <riv> then don't? PM your friend to talk about it
14:40:28 <kit-ten> shes not on irc
14:40:36 <riv> razetime
14:40:46 <kit-ten> oh
14:56:04 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92306&oldid=92290 * Otesunki * (+15) bryh
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15:12:58 <wib_jonas> I did a web search about the bitwise operation on rationals thing. I didn't find much useful, but one thing that they pointed out is that if you start doing that, acting on fractional bit, then suddenly the number of all ones bit (such as you'd get from bitwise complimenting a zero) isn't …11111, but …11111.11111…. So if you're using a two's
15:12:59 <wib_jonas> compliment representation where …11111 means -1 then suddenly the old rule for bitwise compliment where ~x = -1-x changes to ~x = -x; and if you're using one's compliment where …11111 means -0 then ~x = -x changes to the weird ~x = 1-x.
15:23:39 <wib_jonas> fungot, is there such a project as Google Ear, or is that just a truncated Google Earth logo?
15:23:40 <fungot> wib_jonas: scheme needs its own record type. i like fiddling with) right now is that esoapi and easel both assume the esolang has the concept of let-keywords let-optionals quite repulsive), but
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16:16:28 <esolangs> [[Her]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92307 * Orisphera * (+3531) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Her |author=[[User:Orisphera|Orisphera]] |year=[[:Category:2022|2022]] }} :''Note that the Russian for '''Her''' as ''''''. '''''' is not a va..."
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18:44:18 <esolangs> [[Baa]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92310 * CappyIsCrappy * (+2195) Created page with "{{lowercase}}  '''Baa''' is a register-based esolang where each command has the form "b*insert two or more a's*"  == Syntax ==  The syntax is very easy to understand.  Also, c..."
18:44:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Baa]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92311 * CappyIsCrappy * (+28) Created page with "Discuss about '''baa''' here"
18:45:43 <esolangs> [[Works in progress]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92312&oldid=90083 * CappyIsCrappy * (+10) 
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19:01:28 <esolangs> [[User:CappyIsCrappy]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92314&oldid=92304 * CappyIsCrappy * (+4) 
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19:31:38 <int-e> my alsamixer issue was fixed within 4 hours
19:31:42 <int-e> <3 small miracles
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20:00:46 <esolangs> [[Cratefuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92317&oldid=92249 * DigitalDetective47 * (+363) /* Examples */ Add truth-machine
20:04:59 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92318&oldid=92200 * DigitalDetective47 * (+359) /* Implementations */ Add cratefuck
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20:29:27 <esolangs> [[CV(N)(C)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92319&oldid=79675 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Consonants */ rename duplicate command
20:46:14 <tromp> int-e: do you know what it takes to make type L Hashable?
20:48:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Viba]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92320 * LegionMammal978 * (+170) Created page with "Can you post the [[UCanCode]] implementation you wrote? Thanks! ~~~~"
20:48:39 <tromp> i tried instance Hashable L where hash l = hash (show l) but ghc complains about No instance for (GHC.Generics.Generic L)
20:49:01 <tromp> never mind; solved it with instance Hashable L where hashWithSalt i l = hashWithSalt i (show l) instead....
20:50:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[Nutrition facts]] to [[Nutrition Facts]]: fix title
20:50:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[Talk:Nutrition facts]] to [[Talk:Nutrition Facts]]: fix title
20:50:55 <esolangs> [[Nutrition Facts]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92325&oldid=92321 * LegionMammal978 * (+30) add cat
20:52:45 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92326&oldid=92315 * LegionMammal978 * (-13) /* T */
21:04:50 <esolangs> [[QKAS]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92327&oldid=90530 * LegionMammal978 * (-90) fix link
21:10:07 <int-e> tromp: beware that my Show instance was lossy, so you may want to check that.
21:11:31 <tromp> i'm only showing normal forms; so i'mgood:)
21:12:35 <tromp> also, for hashing, loss is only an efficiency issue, not correctness one
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21:25:18 <int-e> ah, true
21:33:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Baa]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92328&oldid=92311 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+239) /* Line indexing */ new section
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21:59:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[Tobi]] to [[TobiLang]]: fix title
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22:50:32 <esolangs> [[DFA-er Finite State Automaton Proof]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92331&oldid=90759 * LegionMammal978 * (+6272) replace images with wikitext
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00:56:38 <esolangs> [[User:Oshaboy]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92333&oldid=91545 * Oshaboy * (+94) /* My Esolangs */
01:05:08 <esolangs> [[SMETANA]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92334&oldid=92293 * Oerjan * (+30) Put references in a section
01:16:42 <oerjan> <riv> https://cp4space.hatsya.com/2022/01/14/conway-conjecture-settled/ this was linked in math offtopic <-- wait a moment, i recognize old channel regular oklopol's real name on that
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01:21:39 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92335&oldid=92306 * Otesunki * (+6) /* Turing completeness proof */
01:22:09 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92336&oldid=92335 * Otesunki * (-6) /* Turing completeness proof */
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02:21:27 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[Tundra]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "{{Lowercase}} == What is tundra? == tundra is an esoteric, two-dimensional programming language based on BrainFck and DeadFish.  == Why "tundra"? == tundra came as a programming language idea, after writing the DeadFish interpreter, and after failed at
02:24:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[Occular]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "AlexH designed the following languages:  * [[Nullary]] * [[Shatner]] * [[Hipster]]"
02:24:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[UPLAN]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "UPLAN ('''U'''nusable '''P'''rogramming '''LAN'''guage ) is an esoteric programming language designed by [[User:Nobody]] . UPLAN codes are stored in a file called "code.uplan" I may rewrite the entire language from start anytime.  == Language ==  Syntax
02:25:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[SimpliScript]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "SimplScript is a derivative of [[SimpliVode]], with one important difference: the addition of the rpt command.   <nowiki>rpt <memory address> {<program>}</nowiki>  rpt repeats the code in <program> until <memory address> is zero, decrementing <me
02:25:59 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[WebFuck]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "[[Category:Languages]] [[Category:Brainfuck derivatives]] [[Category:2019]] [[Category:Implemented]] '''WebFuck''' is a [[Brainfuck]] created by [[User:Mipinggfxgbtftybfhfyhfn]] extencion that can be used in frontend web development. ==Commands== {| c
02:26:20 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[Loop2]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "#REDIRECT [[Loop1]]"
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02:27:44 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[TFNP]]": content before blanking was: ":<b style="color:red">Note: The article is still a work in progress.</b>  '''TFNP''' (stands for Totally Fair Negotiation Protocol) is a concept invented by [[User:Hakerh400]] for determining what actions should be taken based on some external event. This concept is a p
02:28:03 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[PythonshellDebugwindow/Rewriting Language]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "delete this page [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow|PythonshellDebugwindow]] ([[User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow|talk]]) 15:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)"
02:28:20 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[PythonshellDebugwindow/Vandevelo]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "<big><big><big>Please delete this page</big></big></big>  <small><small>[[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] ([[User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow|talk]]) <small>~~<nowiki />~~</small> 21:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)</small></small>"
02:28:42 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[Welcome]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "#REDIRECT [[ScriptJava]]"
02:29:07 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[DIASYS]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "'''DIASYS''' ''EST EN LOG FUR DE LA COMP I DE LA CYC LOG ENT DEN DIALECTIO U DE: N, N0, N1, N2, N3 {--->...} DASO MERT ENT`EN !(!KENT) FUR DEN COMP DE LA `COMP, ESST AT DASEI.'' ESTER DASEIT:  '''EST:  I. CRT[N]  - DE LA FORT {0 ... N} FRECHT S`NTEN.  
02:29:30 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[Election 2020]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "{{infobox proglang |name=Election 2020 |paradigms=Stack-based |author=[[User:Hakerh400]] |year=[[:Category:2020|2020]] |class=[[:Category:Uncomputable|Uncomputable]] |majorimpl= |files=<code>.txt</code> }}  '''Election 2020''' is a joke esoteric
02:29:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[Boxly]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "=='''Introduction''' == Boxly is a language that is based on boxes and macs (Macrooperators) =='''Elements'''== '''Boxes''' Boxes contain 3 values: Box name:type, values Types:  * Numbers (number): a number of 2 signs (17,92,91) * Characters (aschar): a
02:30:27 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Oerjan *  deleted "[[Stardust]]": Author request: content before blanking was: " '''Stardust''' is a (family of) programming language(s) by [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]. It is designed such that an arbitrary sequence of characters can be interpreted as source describing a program, including ASCII art, source written in other langu
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02:34:10 <kit_ten> damn thats a lot of deletions
02:36:06 <oerjan> kit_ten: i went through all the 0 size entries in Special:ShortPages
02:37:46 <kit_ten> ah
02:38:20 <oerjan> we have a custom that if a page's author blanks it, we interpret it as a request to delete
02:38:33 <oerjan> but there was a bit of a backlog :)
02:38:53 <oerjan> i skipped a few that had incoming links, though
02:38:53 <salpynx> Did Tundra have any redeeming features? There doesn't seem to be a way for interested bystanders to check after a deletion.
02:42:00 <salpynx> Not sure I trust all authors to know when one of their languages should be removed (either). Removing stuff from the public domain is something ppl can have strong feelings about.
02:43:41 <salpynx> Election 2020, while possibly not a great esolang (not that I can check now), or however embarassing now to the original author, arguably captures something about a point in history....
02:43:51 <oerjan> salpynx: in the case of Tundra it was deleted the day after being created, and the github link is dead
02:44:01 <salpynx> This is not a hill I plan to die on though :D
02:46:45 <esolangs> [[Airline Food Turing-completeness Proof]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92337&oldid=90756 * LegionMammal978 * (+13369) replace images with wikitext
02:49:20 <esolangs> [[Campbell]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92338&oldid=90781 * LegionMammal978 * (-9) fix formatting
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02:56:59 <esolangs> [[Laddermaker]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92339&oldid=90811 * LegionMammal978 * (+38) fix title
02:57:20 <esolangs> [[Staircasemaker]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92340&oldid=90844 * LegionMammal978 * (+15) fix title
02:58:56 <esolangs> [[So simple dollar]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92341&oldid=90843 * LegionMammal978 * (+0) fix title
03:51:09 <zzo38> Some authors might prefer "pure wiki deletion"; I would do since you might want to access the history. However, maybe it contains stuff they don't want on there at all, I don't know
03:52:03 <zzo38> Or might not contain anything that is worth anything
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03:53:51 <zzo38> If there was only a few words and no valid links or information, then it might OK to be deleted, but if it is deleted then you cannot easily check that.
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04:43:35 <Sgeo> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bub has Geocities links
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07:07:30 <esolangs> [[Oxon]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92346&oldid=91953 * LegionMammal978 * (+23) add cat
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09:08:20 <b_jonas> wait wait
09:09:21 <b_jonas> `ioccclist sadly no contest announcement or anything, just a new version of the size measuring tool
09:09:23 <HackEso> ioccclist sadly no contest announcement or anything, just a new version of the size measuring tool: b_jonas rain2 rain1 Taneb
09:09:38 <b_jonas> https://www.ioccc.org/index.html
09:09:45 <b_jonas> dated 2022-01-15
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11:27:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * FCeardFalkenberg *  New user account
11:34:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92347&oldid=92260 * FCeardFalkenberg * (+300) Added my name to the list
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12:15:35 <esolangs> [[Felix Ceard-Falkenberg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92350 * FCeardFalkenberg * (+242) Created page with "[[File:Chad.png|thumb|right|A picture of me.]] Hi, my name is Felix. <br> All you have to know about me is that I fought god and I won.<br>  On the right you can find a pictur..."
12:16:59 <esolangs> [[User:FCeardFalkenberg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92351 * FCeardFalkenberg * (+242) Created page with "[[File:Chad.png|thumb|right|A picture of me.]] Hi, my name is Felix. <br> All you have to know about me is that I fought god and I won.<br>  On the right you can find a pictur..."
12:29:03 <wib_jonas> fungot, would you call yourself the price of progress
12:29:03 <fungot> wib_jonas: i am not debating that.
12:34:02 <esolangs> [[Maj7]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92352&oldid=92348 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+76) Add categories, fix links
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12:52:25 <fizzie> fungot: A bot with a 'tude.
12:52:26 <fungot> fizzie: i that is not is not is not that obvious, even when it is not compatible with the windows down.
12:54:10 <wib_jonas> fungot, were you ever kidnapped?
12:54:10 <fungot> wib_jonas: he fixed it. :) if you are
12:57:43 <esolangs> [[Baa]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92353&oldid=92316 * CappyIsCrappy * (+172) 
12:58:21 <esolangs> [[Baa]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92354&oldid=92353 * CappyIsCrappy * (+2) /* Print every Unicode character */
13:15:14 <esolangs> [[Her]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92355&oldid=92307 * Orisphera * (+5) /* I/O */
13:15:32 <esolangs> [[Her]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92356&oldid=92355 * Orisphera * (-4) /* Stack Manipulation */
13:22:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:Baa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92357&oldid=92328 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+217) /* Line indexing */ one-indexed
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16:00:40 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92363&oldid=92345 * LegionMammal978 * (+12) /* R */
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17:55:26 <esolangs> [[Theta]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92370 * Peter * (+133) Created page with "{{stub}} Theta (named after the 8th letter of the greek alphabet) is an esoteric programming language designed by me ([[User:Peter]])"
18:10:54 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92371 * Peter * (+3) Created page with "hmm"
18:11:10 <esolangs> [[Theta]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92372&oldid=92370 * Peter * (-121) Replaced content with "#REDIRECT "
18:11:21 <esolangs> [[Theta]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92373&oldid=92372 * Peter * (+4) Redirected page to [[]]
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18:21:20 <esolangs> [[MC14500B]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92375&oldid=91451 * CappyIsCrappy * (+3) 
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18:57:44 <b_jonas> fungot, what's the code point number for a figure space? in hex please
18:57:44 <fungot> b_jonas: don't worry about that for now
19:26:21 <esolangs> [[Baa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92376&oldid=92354 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+94) Add interpreter
19:34:58 <kit-ten> wait, fungot is a bot right
19:34:59 <fungot> kit-ten: i hear it sucks in certain ways, they must be quite broke to accept such a ridiculous offer, we want to
19:35:32 * kit-ten screams
19:35:50 <kit-ten> BOTS ARENT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS INTELLIGENT
19:35:54 <kit-ten> THIS IS TERRIFYING
19:36:14 <fizzie> fungot: Stop sounding intelligent, you're freaking people out.
19:36:14 <fungot> fizzie: what joke did i miss anything interesting? -g
19:37:33 <kit-ten> ææá
19:39:42 <fizzie> fungot: You wouldn't really expect a Befunge program to be so snarky.
19:39:42 <fungot> fizzie: the current manual at s48.org is yours?! :p
19:40:16 <kit-ten> oh my god its written in BEFUNGE???
19:40:36 <fizzie> That's what the "fung" in the name is from, yeah.
19:40:38 <fizzie> ^source
19:40:39 <fungot> https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
19:41:51 <kit-ten> ok so either youre a masochist or have a lot of time on your hands
19:41:53 <kit-ten>  /s
19:41:58 <Corbin> fungot: There should be two functors from double categories to categories.
19:41:58 <fungot> Corbin: i typed it first. that's part of it, in fact
19:42:11 <Corbin> fungot: Be less legible than me.
19:42:11 <fungot> Corbin: but you have fnord of code improvement are applicable to many languages e.g., with no changes"
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21:03:58 <esolangs> [[Baa]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92378&oldid=92376 * CappyIsCrappy * (+48) 
21:06:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Baa]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92379&oldid=92357 * CappyIsCrappy * (+226) /* Thanks for making a interpreter for me! */ new section
21:06:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:CappyIsCrappy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92380 * CappyIsCrappy * (+16) Created page with "Discuss with me!"
21:08:14 <esolangs> [[Baa]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92381&oldid=92378 * CappyIsCrappy * (+18) 
21:09:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:Baa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92382&oldid=92379 * CappyIsCrappy * (-1) 
21:11:32 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Ais523 *  deleted "[[Felix Ceard-Falkenberg]]": mainspace pages about people should ideally be written by others, or in any case from a neutral third-party point of view - keep userpages to userspace
21:12:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Ais523 *  deleted "[[File:Chad.png]]": Copyright violation
21:14:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:FCeardFalkenberg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92383 * Ais523 * (+553) copyright violation warning
21:28:17 <esolangs> [[Baa]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92384&oldid=92381 * CappyIsCrappy * (-31) 
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21:38:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:OrdinalFuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92386 * CappyIsCrappy * (+36) Created page with "Discuss about '''OrdinalFuck''' here"
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05:30:05 <zzo38> 10.1145/3477113.3487274 mentions some problems with ISO C. I do think that improvements could be made, to make a better one. For example, in some cases should be limits on the kind of behaviour that may occur when it is undefined, not being as much strict aliasing (except in some cases), etc.
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09:14:03 <riv> I dont like how emoji looks different on different platforms. I think that is bad
09:16:53 <int-e> . o O ( I dont like ███ emoji █████ █████████ ██ █████████ █████████. █ █████ ████ ██ ███
09:16:57 <int-e> )
09:17:47 <int-e> Anyway, glyphs look different in different fonts. Different platforms use different fonts. It's kind of unavoidable.
09:17:59 <riv> its ok with fonts
09:18:11 <riv> but it's not ok with pictures e.g. a face emoji can show a completely different emotion
09:19:04 <int-e> Emoticons forever! (Except that *of course* some clients will replace those by emojis.)
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09:39:14 <Taneb> Is this someone who hasn't realised that MediaWiki has a "Preview" function in its editor
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10:42:32 <b_jonas> Taneb: no, it's someone who sometimes makes mistakes, knows that saving all intermediate versions may let you track down and fix and learn from mistakes more easily, and knows that computer resources are cheap enough to do that
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11:02:06 <int-e> :-/
11:02:20 <int-e> the logs aren't just for the page author and computers though
11:03:09 <int-e> (as for source code repos, there's the bisection issue that arises if you commit too many mistakes)
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11:17:53 <b_jonas> int-e: of course not. they're public wiki pages, someone else may want to fix mistakes by that author too.
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12:12:31 <esolangs> [[Theta]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92419&oldid=92418 * Peter * (+245) 
12:12:34 <oren> fun fact: it takes over 10 GB of disk space to compile LLVM from source!
12:45:33 <fizzie> It takes around 100GB of disk space to build Chromium.
12:45:44 <riv> ram*
12:46:11 <fizzie> No, it builds just fine on a system with measly 64 gigs of RAM.
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14:15:26 <b_jonas> in case anyone would have missed it otherwise, Knuth uploaded for testing a new pre-fascicle about grpah traversal at https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/fasc12a+.pdf linked from https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/news.html
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14:54:52 <Esolang1> hello?
14:54:57 <Esolang1> anyone?
14:55:05 <Esolang1> no?
14:55:14 <Esolang1> okay...
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15:00:16 <esolangs> [[Jumpback]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92440&oldid=92439 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+166) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Jumpback programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented.
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18:57:14 <esolangs> [[User:NR]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92456 * NR * (+188) Created page with "Hello, world. Name's '''Nan'''. I'm just passing by.  ==Actual stuff: * Created an interpreter for [[Among Us]], available on my [https://github.com/Nanrech/Among-us-interpret..."
18:58:09 <esolangs> [[User:NR]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92457&oldid=92456 * NR * (+4) 
19:08:32 <b_jonas> `olist 1252
19:08:34 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1252.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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22:02:37 <oerjan> ooh list
22:05:36 <oerjan> maybe durkon will get to explain to serini why her plan is a really really bad idea
22:05:51 <zzo38> Why is LLVM that big? How does it compare with GCC?
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22:39:36 <b_jonas> oerjan: to tell the truth I'm much more sympathetic to Serini's position (though not his style) than most forum commenters seem to be. we know from #416 that the ritual takes a few weeks to complete, and has to be done at an immovable gate. if you want to confront Team Evil, you should do it when they're busy with a ritual, and tied to a place that Serini had prepared with all advantages for him, rather 
22:39:42 <b_jonas> than any other place of Xykon's choice.
22:40:22 <b_jonas> there's the slight drawback that Xykon gains experience from exploring the dungeon of course
22:40:26 <b_jonas> and magic items
22:40:52 <b_jonas> but they are going to hurry trying to find the Gate
22:43:20 <b_jonas> the Order and especially Roy seems just too trigger-happy to meet Team Evil early
22:44:58 <b_jonas> the paladins are admittedly more patient
22:48:03 <int-e> oh no is that still going :P
22:48:17 <b_jonas> int-e: what is still going?
22:48:51 <b_jonas> fungot: is it still going?
22:48:51 <fungot> b_jonas: early 90s computer games are magic to the interpreter
22:48:52 <int-e> the wall of text comic otherwise known as Order of the Stick
22:49:05 <b_jonas> int-e: yes
22:50:02 <int-e> Did you know that not ending rhetorical questions with a question mark doesn't prevent people from answering them :P
22:50:13 <b_jonas> the Giant is one of the slower comic book writers, especially given that that's his full time job
22:51:40 <b_jonas> but it will probably only last like eight more years
22:51:57 <b_jonas> Darths & Droids will outlive it
23:03:12 <int-e> https://surlyqueen.net/comic/1147-feast/ . o O ( Great. Now how do I find number 1148? )
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23:07:46 <int-e> ah, here we go: https://surlyqueen.net/comic/1148-january-6th/ ...many broken links around here though, sigh.
23:08:27 <int-e> (googling inurl:https://surlyqueen.net/comic/1150 worked)
23:14:22 <esolangs> [[User talk:Palaiologos]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92458&oldid=92387 * Not applicable * (+133) please respond
23:15:36 <int-e> let's see how far I get before google thinks I'm a bot
23:21:21 <int-e> oh god I'm making this so much harder than necessary... the links alternate between two different webcomics by the same author; click twice and it'll get me where I want
23:26:27 <oerjan> b_jonas: serini made it clear that her position is to let xykon _win_.
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23:37:00 <int-e> https://surlyqueen.net/comic/1161-adhesive/ <-- now this is the kind of strip that I actually follow that comic for.
23:37:53 <int-e> (And yes, I got all the way from 1147 to 1161 in half an hour. This may shine some light on why I can't stomach OotS)
23:39:30 <fizzie> Oh, I forgot about Darths & Droids somehow. I was definitely following it at some point, but it's been years.
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00:46:32 <esolangs> [[BASICER]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92460&oldid=53444 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+86) Add categories
00:52:54 <oerjan> b_jonas: thinking about it further, her main goal is to prevent the last gate being destroyed at all cost.  assuming that's where the ritual would have to be performed, it's also the _last_ place she'd want any fighting to happen. (although in a world with explicit narrative causality, it may be inevitable anyhow.)
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01:32:34 <b_jonas> oerjan: yes, at least she doesn't want the Order or the former Sapphire Guard fighting there, because she doesn't trust them. she probably has some traps and monsters and protection that she arranged herself, in a less stupid way than Lirian, and those can fight.
01:33:16 <b_jonas> oerjan: but the Order doesn't necessarily care about what Serini wants, and can almost certainly go there even if Serini doesn't want them to
01:37:25 <b_jonas> the ideal situation would be if the Order could remain hidden until all the protection in the dungeons weakened Xykon and Redcloak enough that the Order can surprise attack them, off Xykon, capture and talk to Redcloak. but that would be too much luck to hope for. the more realistic hope is that both Xykon and Redcloak are primary casters, and if they're casting a two week long ritual, that decreases 
01:37:31 <b_jonas> their remaining spellcasting abilities such that they can't protect themselves properly without stopping the ritual and having to restart it, as many times as the Order wishes.
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08:35:06 <zzo38> I thought you once mentioned some kind of collection of numbered specification documents (after I had mentioned the Hollerith chording)?
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11:31:43 <b_jonas> zzo38: collection of numbered specification documents? that's http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/
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12:42:38 <b_jonas> fungot, in Earth's atmosphere, how does changing humidity affect the speed of sound if you keep temperature constant?
12:42:38 <fungot> b_jonas: i looked into clisp again live without it.
12:45:09 <fizzie> fungot: So you're planning to model this in Lisp?
12:45:10 <fungot> fizzie: what is the name, i can't really look it up.
13:10:30 <b_jonas> fungot: by the way, for the question I asked you earlier, I'm told that you can abort evolution in all core Pokémon games
13:10:31 <fungot> b_jonas: fnord riastradh reification is the construction of compilers by making the bnf longer than the original :) trying to find any text/ paper/ html/ r5rs-z-h-7.html%_idx_124 and
13:10:36 <b_jonas> all gnerations
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13:31:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:SIC-1 Assembly Language]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92462&oldid=92461 * CappyIsCrappy * (+74) /* Can you put a "Reverse Sequence" solution here? */ new section
13:31:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:SIC-1 Assembly Language]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92463&oldid=92462 * CappyIsCrappy * (+101) 
14:53:12 <esolangs> [[Her]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92464&oldid=92356 * Orisphera * (-14) /* Heap Access */
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17:25:57 <b_jonas> fungot, are you a plethora?
17:25:58 <fungot> b_jonas: later tell bunny consider the curried argument k to cps-t and how it is related! opposition is still relation.
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17:36:30 <b_jonas> fungot: I asked that already, haven't I?
17:36:30 <fungot> b_jonas: you said macros would be possible to redefine the public good so that good looks and superficial movies and music are the public good so that good looks and superficial movies and music are the public good so that good looks and superficial movies and music are the public good and that they will have to
17:37:00 <b_jonas> fungot: VBA calls it SHARED rather than PUBLIC, but sure
17:37:01 <fungot> b_jonas: openmcl's cocoa bridge. in fact, right here.
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17:55:19 <fizzie> fungot: Are you going all "sword alone can't stop" on us again? 
17:55:20 <fungot> fizzie: as a consequence, semantic functions are defined compositionally by structural induction on program terms.
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17:55:29 <fizzie> Deep, man.
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19:36:56 <riv> sweardle shoudl be called 'bad wordle' much funnier
19:42:10 <tromp> here's a nice challenge for your combinatory logic engines: evaluate ((((A A)A)A)(A(A(A A))))A   (or `````AAAA`A`A`AAA) where A = alpha = \x\y\z. x z (y (\_.z))
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20:20:34 <esolangs> [[Nightmare]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92466&oldid=92465 * Otesunki * (+99) fix formatting
20:21:15 <esolangs> [[Nightmare]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92467&oldid=92466 * Otesunki * (+1) make line shorter
20:21:59 <esolangs> [[Nightmare]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92468&oldid=92467 * Otesunki * (+8) label as wip
20:27:09 <esolangs> [[Nightmare]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92469&oldid=92468 * Otesunki * (+340) specify the result of every instruction
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02:00:37 <int-e> Ah I like this label name:   'out: loop { ... break 'out; ... }
02:02:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:Palaiologos]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92470&oldid=92458 * Not applicable * (+140) just talk to me please
02:19:45 <shachaf> Which language is that again?
02:23:50 <int-e> Rust
02:25:15 <esolangs> [[User talk:Palaiologos]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92471&oldid=92470 * Oerjan * (+362) Please stop this nagging
02:25:25 <esolangs> [[SIC-1 Assembly Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92472&oldid=67338 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+27) Link to Subleq
02:32:15 <oerjan> i'm guessing the discord has a lot more drama than here
02:33:54 <oerjan> (well here has a lot less drama than it used to)
02:34:52 <int-e> `' drama
02:34:54 <HackEso> No output.
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08:57:18 <riv> oh rust has named breaks, neat
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09:41:56 <Taneb> I wasn't expecting the twist in today's Gunnerkrigg Court
09:51:17 <shachaf> Neither was I.
09:51:38 <shachaf> Probably because I've never read Gunnerkrigg Court.
09:52:27 <myname> new rust has printf with scope access <3
09:52:54 <int-e> but is it a microsscope or a telescope
09:54:06 <riv> myname: I had tried to discuss this a bit here
09:54:25 <riv> I got thinking about format string languages and escaping and such
09:54:36 <int-e> Taneb: Oh I seem to have lost my GC link... a year ago... wow.
09:54:41 <int-e> Lots to catch up
09:54:59 <myname> it's not really an issue in rust, because it's compiled down to ordinary print statements
09:55:01 <riv> I suppose there are 3 levels. array of code points,  string literal syntax,  and format string syntqax
09:55:13 <riv> string literals use \ to escape \ and "
09:55:22 <riv> but format strings use { to escape { and } to escape }
09:55:37 <riv> at first I thought this was bad, but maybe it's ok
09:55:51 <riv> but perhaps format string should be part of the language. So there is only 2 levels
09:56:06 <myname> why should this be bad?
09:56:12 <riv> I also started to write a quine with it but I got bored and didn't finish it
09:56:29 <myname> i find it more readable than the \ version
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19:47:27 <Sgeo> What Game of Life like rules exist with conserved or decreasing quantities, of the sort that life forms might compete over? E.g. the number of alive cells always stays the same or decreases (no birth rule is an example but that seems like it could get... boring? Can't have spaceships I think)
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22:31:24 <zzo38> I don't know.
22:33:55 <zzo38> Sometimes external format strings are useful, but when they aren't then it can be processed at compile time. But, even if the external format strings are useful, in the case of C programming (printf), is also helpful to match the types properly; my idea was to have one that specifies there is a separate format string for types and for formatting.
22:34:43 <zzo38> There might be one % code that tells it to do this, reading the next argument as a format string and the rest of the first format string only used for the types; this can only be used in the first format string and not the next one.
22:35:31 <zzo38> (Also it make it possible that not all arguments must be used, since the ordinary printf cannot do, due to needing to know the types of the arguments.)
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06:52:14 <riv> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berman%E2%80%93Hartmanis_conjecture
06:52:17 <riv> what
06:52:20 <riv> this is a conjecture??
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07:02:25 <Hooloovoo> sounds like a bad link to me
07:04:28 <zzo38> The link is OK. Do you have a example of a NP-complete formal language?
07:07:04 <riv> At first I thought it could be something like 'the language of satisfiable boolean formula'
07:07:06 <riv> but im not sure now?
07:07:18 <Hooloovoo> odd. it is broken for me. but I found the right one.
07:11:10 <Hooloovoo> it's been a while since I took a class on this kind of thing... but iirc np-complete languages are things like 3sat, vertex cover
07:11:50 <Hooloovoo> it does seem slightly odd to consider them as languages
07:12:17 <int-e> riv: that example works
07:12:55 <riv> oh okay
07:17:29 <int-e> Hmm, it's an interesting strengthening of P != NP. Had not seen it before
07:17:54 <riv> oh haha
07:17:57 <riv> thats why its a conjecture
07:18:09 <riv> i was thinking "isn't this the definition?"
07:18:18 <int-e> P = NP can be rephrased to "NP-complete languages reduce to {epsilon}"
07:18:28 <int-e> s/to/as/
07:18:35 <int-e> (in polynomial time)
07:18:55 <int-e> reductions aren't bijections
07:19:33 <int-e> (some people are explicit about this and say "many-to-one reductions"; I'm too lazy for that)
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10:17:29 <riv> I enjoy complexity theory but sometimes I feel like it's so reductionist
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15:21:11 <gzg> hey what happened to #esoteric
15:22:14 <riv> we renamed it for no reason?
15:22:57 <gzg> must've been a reason?
15:23:18 <gzg> perhaps random people joining looking for spells?
15:24:29 <wib_jonas> gzg: we \renamed it simultaneously to moving from the broken freenode
15:24:41 <wib_jonas> gzg: so it was always freenode/#esoteric or libera/#esolangs
15:25:10 <Riviera> I am not entirely sure, but something seems wrong about #esoteric
15:25:37 <gzg> hm wrong how?
15:25:51 <Riviera> not entirely correctly configured. But I forgot how the details for these forwards worked soon after the libera move :|
15:26:03 <wib_jonas> Riviera: yes, but we couldn't rename it because the name was hard-coded in a widely installed software package. but that only applies while it was on freenode, since that software package connects there.
15:26:17 <Riviera> no no sorry, i meant technically
15:26:29 <gzg> yep doesn't really redirect you, just kicks, but when you try to join #esoteric while in #esolangs you're informed you're already on it
15:26:43 <Riviera> but i might be wrong, i'll check it when i have time and let you know if there really is an issue
15:26:52 <Riviera> gzg: ah
15:26:56 <wib_jonas> wait, do you mean that the redirect from libera/#esoteric is wrong
15:26:57 <wib_jonas> ?
15:26:57 <Riviera> gzg: yeah, so it's not only my client.
15:27:00 <gzg> wib_jonas: i'll bite, which package?
15:27:02 <Riviera> wib_jonas: yup
15:27:05 <wib_jonas> `? canaima
15:27:09 <HackEso> Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're there.
15:27:21 <gzg> aha!
15:27:23 <Riviera> i am not sure, maybe it was something like letting the channel stay persistently around,
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15:27:37 <Riviera> otherwise the modes will only be set after a join or so
15:27:47 <Riviera> anyway, can really not check this right now, meeting coming up
15:28:35 <gzg> many things changed over the years i see, esolangs.org is quite pretty
15:28:38 <fizzie> I suspect it's not going to be _that_ many people landing on libera/#esoteric TBH. But yeah, the intention is for it to be a redirect.
15:30:12 <fizzie> And from my perspective, the main reason for renaming was that I was a lot more comfortable requesting the community registration thing for "#esolangs" + "#esolangs-*" for the purposes of talking about esoteric programming languages than I would have been for "#esoteric" + "#esoteric-*".
15:31:26 <wib_jonas> some people will land in libera/#esoteric, the ones who were on freenode/#esoteric but then left for years
15:31:38 <wib_jonas> they'll be looking the same name on libera and/or other servers
15:32:30 * gzg case in point :P
15:32:52 <gzg> the redir was quite handy
15:33:09 <gzg> fizzie: yep esoteric-* would overlap with others, goot point
15:33:17 <wib_jonas> also the name #esolangs matches the domain name esolangs.org where our wiki is served from
15:34:50 <riv> https://twitter.com/xdesro/status/1485642891615772681
15:35:02 <riv> OK I changed my mind, esolangs is the right name for the channel
15:36:20 <gzg> yep esoteric was nice back then, esolangs is right and proper, well-thought-out
15:37:09 <gzg> tbh can't really remember how #esoteric came to be or to be named, probably from some cat's eye list or something
15:37:37 <riv> maybe from 'esoteric languages'
15:39:16 <gzg> yeah of course :P
15:39:19 <gzg> i mean how it was decided upon
15:39:34 <gzg> perhaps "oh #esoteric is free, cool"
15:44:03 <wib_jonas> gzg: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal claims that the old mailing lists had "esoteric" in their name
15:44:46 <wib_jonas> so it's possible that the channel was named from that
15:47:23 <gzg> yep the sange.fi one probably
15:50:33 <wib_jonas> only... wasn't the usenet group more used than the mailing lists? in which case the channel should have been named #intercal
15:51:19 <gzg> was used in early 2000s but i think the sange.fi list had more bearing
15:51:39 <wib_jonas> I don't know much of the ancient history, I wasn't there.
15:51:40 <gzg> ah and there was the old dmoz category
15:51:42 <gzg> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Obfuscated/
15:59:33 <wib_jonas> meh, ten years from now we won't remember to the current history and we'll think that the channel was named from the logbot and the logbot from the Discord server or something
16:01:10 <gzg> lolol yep
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00:59:39 <oerjan> <wib_jonas> Riviera: yes, but we couldn't rename it because the name was hard-coded in a widely installed software package. but that only applies while it was on freenode, since that software package connects there. <-- did anyone confirm that it was hardcoded? my own pet theory is that they came here because it would show up on some channel list just before things like #espanol
01:00:24 <oerjan> which is a part of the channel list venezuelans would be expected to look at
01:01:21 <oerjan> well, at least somewhat expected. istr a claim that the word spanish-speakers actually use for spanish is "castellano"
01:01:42 <oerjan> although they might look for #espana too
01:04:04 <oerjan> #esolangs is still pretty close. if they ever update to include liberachat, we might get canaimans again
01:06:05 <oerjan> oh apparently the naming varies by country
01:13:07 <fizzie> Oh, got distracted and forgot to comment. The channel's creation is immortalized in the sange.fi mailing list logs, http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/2002-q4 -- just look for "Esolang IRC channel".
01:14:08 <fizzie> Which does make me think Andreou got the name from the list's name. Also shows how "we" were very very briefly #esoterica on EFnet.
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02:08:40 <int-e> `' zero
02:08:42 <HackEso> 215) <Deewiant> My STRN.G detects runoff strings that haven't been terminated but would hit a zero after wrapping and tries to allocate the 16+-gigabyte-stack required \ 494) <Phantom_Hoover> You mean it'd be Tau Zero but without the spaceship? \ 828) <Vorpal> elliott, mostly I want something that takes zero effort to maintain and update once the initial setup is done.  <elliott> okay well that is called not linux
02:17:17 <int-e> . o O ( "market capitalization, n.: a gross overestimate of zero" )
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09:10:37 <esolangs> [[Plis]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92549&oldid=92547 * T0m10 * (+24) 
09:14:12 <esolangs> [[Plis]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92550&oldid=92549 * T0m10 * (+27) 
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11:42:47 <esolangs> [[Tile]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92553&oldid=92528 * Dtp09 * (+64) /* Code Examples */
11:45:45 <esolangs> [[)0,1(]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92554&oldid=88528 * Rphii * (-2) /* Examples */ fix it
11:52:34 <esolangs> [[)0,1(]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92555&oldid=92554 * Rphii * (+164) add implementation links
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11:53:30 <esolangs> [[Tile]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92557&oldid=92553 * Dtp09 * (-47) /* Truth Machine */
11:54:05 <esolangs> [[User:Rphii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92558&oldid=89052 * Rphii * (+4) /* My languages */ implemented )0,1( 3h
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12:18:42 <esolangs> [[)0,1(]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92560&oldid=92559 * Rphii * (+0) /* Initialization */ everything is fine
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12:33:26 <riv> I made a words list and compressed it using regex loop and it reduced 50%
12:33:52 <riv> they were sorted
12:34:17 <riv> > Thus, the “compressibility” of the average word is to 31.45% of net, or to 68.55% of its original size
12:34:18 <lambdabot>  <hint>:1:5: error: parse error on input ‘,’
12:34:37 <riv> > To put that in perspective, the size reduction achieved from using the common zip compression can be as low as 0.62% for MP3s, which are universally difficult to compress. Comparatively, the 7z format can achieve up to 98.65% compression with tabular data.
12:34:38 <lambdabot>  <hint>:1:13: error: parse error on input ‘in’
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14:48:19 <esolangs> [[)0,1(]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92564&oldid=92563 * Rphii * (+5) /* Truth machine */ update to new rules
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15:34:18 <esolangs> [[RTFM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92567&oldid=54278 * TeslaX93 * (+1) 
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17:55:03 <riv> interesting that a sorted list compresses beter than a random list
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18:03:28 <leah2> not so surprising?
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18:06:15 <__monty__> You could see the random order as extra information.
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18:58:54 <zzo38> If it is sorted then there might be similar prefixes closer together
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20:22:14 <riv> yes
20:22:37 <riv> actually I did not even compress it before sorting it
20:22:41 <riv> so I just assumed this
20:27:18 <esolangs> [[)0,1(]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92569&oldid=92568 * Rphii * (-56) /* Overflowing / Underflowing */ fix description
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20:36:44 <esolangs> [[Tile]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92571&oldid=92557 * Dtp09 * (+109) /* Push */
20:37:22 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] revert  * Dtp09 *  uploaded a new version of "[[File:Truth-machine-tile.png]]": Reverted to version as of 11:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
20:37:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] revert  * Dtp09 *  uploaded a new version of "[[File:Truth-machine-tile.png]]": Reverted to version as of 20:34, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
20:40:56 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92574&oldid=92389 * PixelatedStarfish * (+78) /* External Links */
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20:47:51 <esolangs> [[)0,1(]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92578&oldid=92569 * Rphii * (-149) now the commands are cool and I don't see myself changing them again any time soon...
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21:03:06 <kit-ten> why is the starfish pixelated
21:03:10 <kit-ten> is it censored
21:03:16 <kit-ten> is it naked
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22:39:58 <kit-ten> fowl lol
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03:00:43 <int-e> . o O ( Time to feel good about not having polkit on any of my servers )
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08:25:10 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92597&oldid=92551 * Laclale * (+145) New Introduction
08:44:33 <esolangs> [[A.R.T.I.C.L.E.]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92598&oldid=90852 * Laclale * (+296) /* Computational class */
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09:04:17 <esolangs> [[A.R.T.I.C.L.E.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92600&oldid=92599 * Laclale * (+4) /* Laclale's BF equivalents */
09:12:17 <esolangs> [[A.R.T.I.C.L.E.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92601&oldid=92600 * Laclale * (+59) /* Laclale's BF equivalents */
09:13:19 <esolangs> [[A.R.T.I.C.L.E.]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92602&oldid=92601 * Laclale * (+35) /* External resources */ Category added
09:18:19 <esolangs> [[A.R.T.I.C.L.E.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92603&oldid=92602 * Laclale * (-35) /* External resources */ Ah, wait, not straight.
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10:44:48 <int-e> @bot
10:44:48 <lambdabot> :)
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10:50:02 <riv> good bot
10:50:28 <riv> I was very shocked about people publically blogging about this polkit vuln ~8 years ago, it was known even 14 years ago
10:50:46 <riv> i am certain that people would have known how to exploit this
10:50:50 <int-e> good bot... well maybe. I don't know why it reconnected :P
10:50:53 <riv> and im confused that it wasn't fixed
10:51:34 <int-e> riv: yeah it's embarrassing
10:51:57 <riv> apparnetly they are hardening the linux kernel itself, to deal with this edge case about argc=0
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10:54:50 <int-e> wait this affects glib in general? this... will take a while to eradicate
10:55:35 <fizzie> fungot: Could you check all our stuff for this polkit thing please? 
10:55:35 <fungot> fizzie: early ascii versions before the 1968 standard lacked. if i can't
10:55:37 <int-e> (I don't know for sure, just reading between the lines)
10:55:57 <fizzie> fungot: Come on, it's not *that* old.
10:55:57 <fungot> fizzie: unless you mean a simple loop until the universe settles into a stable structure in which the proofs are very fnord
10:57:41 <int-e> I don't think fungot will save us this time
10:57:42 <fungot> int-e: bfarg wasn't really designed, it's a bug in psyntax." get reached? ( cdr-ing) x
10:59:58 <riv> int-e: I read that glibc ld.so tries to remove 'insecure' env vars from executing a binary in secure mode (like a suid), and then just interprets them all no matter what
11:00:13 <sknebel> riv: well the example I saw was "someone found that there is a bug but didnt realize how exploitable it was, blogged about it, wrote an email to the polkit mailing list, that email apparently never arrived, never followed up on it after not hearing a response" - so not that surprising it wasnt fixed...
11:00:15 <riv> whereas musl does not edit envp at all, it just refuses to interpret insecure ones in a secure context
11:00:23 <riv> for this reason the exploit didnt work on musl systems
11:00:37 <int-e> riv: this? https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=sysdeps/generic/unsecvars.h;h=5ea8a4a259ef753c9d0d30aa4c0788e93656d047;hb=HEAD
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11:00:49 <riv> yes
11:01:05 <riv> the approach of stripping then unconditionally interpreting is kind of an error
11:01:15 <int-e> it's funny... wait... I'm using glibc, I take it back
11:01:21 <int-e> it's not funny at all
11:01:37 <riv> so the exploit was able to write into envp, editing the env vars - because it ran over the argv array
11:13:23 <fizzie> fungot: Will the sword alone stop this exploit? 
11:13:23 <fungot> fizzie: that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop, crono!
11:13:33 <fizzie> ...wow.
11:13:41 <riv> :D
11:13:59 <riv> https://flower.codes/2021/07/08/this-post-was-written-by-github-copilot
11:14:07 <fizzie> (I would like to just state for the record that was entirely serendipitous.)
11:15:36 <int-e> thw sword alone cannot stop
11:41:54 <riv> idea: wordle made into an anime
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00:05:11 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92612&oldid=92580 * PixelatedStarfish * (+978) /* Interpreter Status */
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00:43:38 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92614&oldid=92607 * Oerjan * (-36) Templatize wayback links
00:44:39 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92615&oldid=92614 * Oerjan * (-18) rm now redundant comment
00:58:00 <oerjan> wild prediction after reading today's The Whiteboard: this snow removal experiment will lead to the rest of the universe around their break room disappearing or completely changing.
00:58:40 <oerjan> not really that wild given how their experiments usually work, though.
01:01:05 <oerjan> i suppose i should hedge for the possibility that the rest of the building stays attached to the break room.
01:11:29 <fizzie> Did that xkcd countdown finish already? I guess not.
01:37:09 <oerjan> january 31st, supposedly
01:37:30 <oerjan> fizzie: ^
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02:25:53 <int-e> Let's have a prediction for Freefall too? Life insurance fraud? :-P
02:26:31 <int-e> Huh, xkcd has a countdown?
02:27:06 <int-e> So it does. Fancy that.
02:27:30 <int-e> (I did wonder about the aircraft but not enough to try enabling JS)
02:29:40 <oerjan> int-e: slightly less malicious prediction is that he just wants to force humans to leave.
02:30:26 <oerjan> after which nothing stops his robot plan.
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04:43:48 <esolangs> [[User:Ais523]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92618&oldid=83471 * Ais523 * (+24) +[[Advance The Wheel!]]
04:45:07 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92619&oldid=92596 * Ais523 * (+25) /* A */ +[[Advance The Wheel!]] (rjan, you might want to check the alphabetisation of this one: are spaces ignored for alphabetisation purposes, or do they sort before letters?)
04:49:33 <esolangs> [[Advance The Wheel!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92620&oldid=92617 * Ais523 * (+1) /* Self-interpreter */ correct minor error in self-interpreter description; twice 1 is 2, not 0
04:55:02 <oerjan> ais523: ignored hth
04:57:22 <esolangs> [[Advance The Wheel!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92621&oldid=92620 * Ais523 * (-4) /* Computational class */ remove absent-minded link from this article to itself
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07:34:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Photon Niko]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92622&oldid=92253 * Photon Niko * (+21) /* Subject */ new section
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09:31:27 <kspalaiologos> it appears that the matrix end doesn't work
09:31:29 <kspalaiologos> and messages aren't bridged here
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10:05:22 <Hooloovoo> that seems... fairly reasonable. I don't think I've ever seen a matrix message here
10:07:38 <fizzie> I've posted a Matrix message here.
10:08:26 <fizzie> And someone else was using it "for real" too; I just experimented.
10:12:02 <fizzie> I've occasionally wondered if there's some way of distinguishing Matrix users over on the IRC side. On the other side, it was possible.
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13:40:29 <wib_jonas> fungot, are you a witch? do you have a wand?
13:40:29 <fungot> wib_jonas: we must do it to save you! who the heck are you?! c'mon!!
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13:45:37 <wib_jonas> fungot: how high level arcane spells can you cast?
13:45:37 <fungot> wib_jonas: the knight spirit has. you came to see it? sure! no thanks. yum! lemonade! vitamin c, cyrus!
13:45:56 <riv> `esoteric
13:45:58 <HackEso> esoteric? No such file or directory
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13:47:22 <riv> `No such file or directory
13:47:22 <HackEso> No output.
13:47:30 <riv> `No output.
13:47:31 <HackEso> No output.
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14:58:21 <esolangs> [[TobiLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92624&oldid=92329 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+36) Add categories
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16:33:06 <esolangs> [[Kak]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92631 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+337) Created page with "{{Stub}} '''Kak''' is an esolang made by [[ChuckEsoteric08]]. Name of the language means "how" in Russian ==Commands==  ! - move pointer to the right and flip bit  ? - skip ne..."
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17:57:13 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92638&oldid=92637 * PixelatedStarfish * (+25) /* Adding Branching Instructions */
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20:47:58 <zzo38> To make a better specification for television captions will need the consideration of rewind/fast-forward/pause, interruptions (e.g. commercials, or stopping and resuming a recording, or menus), in case you want to print out the captions, to deal with duplicated/dropped frames, etc.
20:49:22 <riv> i didnt know the current system does not handle that
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21:10:46 <esolangs> [[Inuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92639 * VilgotanL * (+3570) yes
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21:20:25 <zzo38> Well, when I watch television, those things that I mention can cause problems with the captions.
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21:43:55 <esolangs> [[CES files]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92640&oldid=81503 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Add category
21:44:48 <esolangs> [[CES]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92641&oldid=81501 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Add a category
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02:42:23 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * B.edit24 *  New user account
02:44:14 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92644&oldid=92597 * B.edit24 * (+125) 
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02:46:16 <esolangs> [[User:B.edit24]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92646 * B.edit24 * (+21) Created page with "B++ and B* my beloved"
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02:50:37 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92647&oldid=92643 * Oerjan * (+0) /* Non-alphabetic */ orst
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02:59:41 <oerjan> hm i suddenly thought i'd misplacedφ but it's actually one of the last letters in the greek alphabet
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03:03:22 <oerjan> `dobg No
03:03:26 <HackEso> 0:2012-02-16 Initïal import.
03:03:32 <oerjan> `cbt No
03:03:33 <HackEso> ​#!/bin/sh
03:03:54 <oerjan> i guess it was an early quine creation.
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03:08:33 <fizzie> Oh, "No output.", huh.
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03:20:39 <esolangs> [[Malbolge]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92648&oldid=85553 * Laclale * (+97) /* External resources */
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03:26:31 <b_jonas> oerjan: yes, it's one of the five letters hat got thrown at the end of the greek alphabet because it isn't derived from the phoenician alphabet but just invented from thin air
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03:27:58 <esolangs> [[Language]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92649&oldid=38471 * Laclale * (+41) 
03:28:13 <esolangs> [[Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92650&oldid=92649 * Laclale * (+0) 
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03:31:38 <esolangs> [[Works in progress]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92651&oldid=92385 * Laclale * (+33) sorted
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03:41:30 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Categorization]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92652&oldid=86593 * Laclale * (+124) /* See Also */
03:48:57 <Cale> `smlist http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=534 The epic conclusion to Planet to the Moon 2: Planet to the Sun
03:48:58 <HackEso> smlist http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=534 The epic conclusion to Planet to the Moon 2: Planet to the Sun: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale
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04:12:43 <shachaf> Real Fast Planet to the Moon 2: Planet to the Sun Download
04:13:12 <shachaf> Who could have predicted that (spoilers) the moon wizard is also the sun wizard?
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05:18:33 <zzo38> One idea of Magic: the Gathering card is: "Target permanent cannot die this turn." (It is stronger than being indestructible.)
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05:59:23 <zzo38> Do you like this? What idea do you have of this?
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07:07:03 <utoneq> " aspirated consonants, pronounced exactly like tau, pi, and kappa respectively, only with a blast of air following the actual consonant sound.
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08:34:25 <esolangs> [[Woof]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92655&oldid=92342 * VilgotanL * (+33) 
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10:07:22 <riv> fungot: ever heard of Pi computing?
10:07:23 <fungot> riv: your majesty! and queen. he and a friend left on a journey 10. all functions are down... got the terra arm and the crisis arm! found a dreamstone! i'd forgotten how beautiful they are the evildoers? magus's lair! you brave! he's probably up north, to guardia!!! let's toast our land! now we'll have some peace! magus is a tad on the spooky side. our only hope.
10:08:24 <int-e> It has to do with raspberries, I think. :P
10:08:27 <riv> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vcKW9sq8n8 never even knew this existed
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13:20:35 <fizzie> fungot: The evildoers are beautiful? 
13:20:35 <fungot> fizzie: from where does the hero alone have the power. " m, madam...! i am the master of war! i've seen all kinds of battles from here, step back, prometheus!
13:44:40 <b_jonas> fungot: you may be a hero alone, take this, but your sword alone can't stop that sword alone can't stop that sword alone can't stop that sword alone can't stop that sword alone can't stop that
13:44:40 <fungot> b_jonas: yes, it's been awhile prometheus!
13:45:33 <esolangs> [[Anyways]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92656&oldid=50872 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+78) Add categories, formatting
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16:06:39 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92661&oldid=92645 * David44 * (+201) 
16:07:17 <esolangs> [[User:David44]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92662 * David44 * (+12) Created page with "Yo I'm David"
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17:02:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Bertrahm *  New user account
17:04:41 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92663&oldid=92661 * Bertrahm * (+126) /* Introductions */
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17:33:40 <esolangs> [[YAASEL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92665 * Bertrahm * (+2881) A Stack Based Eso-Lang with 14 Instructions
17:37:19 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92666&oldid=92647 * Bertrahm * (+13) /* Non-alphabetic */
17:37:53 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92667&oldid=92666 * Bertrahm * (+13) /* Y */
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20:14:37 <esolangs> [[YAASEL]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92670&oldid=92668 * Bertrahm * (+51) 
20:29:08 <esolangs> [[YAASEL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92671&oldid=92670 * Bertrahm * (+3) 
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21:52:15 <b_jonas> ok, so my father broke his foot on the skiing vacation. he's in a hospital in France, probably surgically operated recently. and I have communication difficulties when trying to call the hospital.
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01:31:58 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92675&oldid=92667 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-13) .
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02:05:47 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92678&oldid=92677 * Oerjan * (+9) formatting, emor ginorst
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04:30:52 <fowl> Hello friends
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05:08:28 <esolangs> [[Trivial brainfuck substitution]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92683&oldid=89454 * David44 * (+157) Added Brainfuck 4 Humans
05:10:22 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck 4 Humans]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92684&oldid=92682 * David44 * (+60) Add cat example
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06:23:08 <int-e> fungot: do you like augmenting paths?
06:23:08 <fungot> int-e: i see. you know, i really care... a time portal? what in the...! ozzie's stumped! this must be the invention. hope it still leaves you hungry! here you are the only one thing we need to defeat you, lavos.
06:23:29 <int-e> ^style
06:23:29 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
06:23:36 <int-e> ^style ct
06:23:36 <fungot> Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script)
06:23:42 <int-e> ^style irc
06:23:42 <fungot> Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
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14:26:46 <esolangs> [[Cpy]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92689&oldid=92688 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+156) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the cpy programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented.
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16:03:10 <b_jonas> so SMBC has a whole series on "I would climb the highest mountain to be with you": https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-09-23 https://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2635 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-03-28
16:03:56 <b_jonas> fungot, is there a woman for whom you would climb the highest mountain to be with them?
16:03:57 <fungot> b_jonas: unfortunately, having someone learn it and create a new variable unless there is some thread stuff
16:04:29 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92690&oldid=92615 * Laclale * (+96) /* Game */
16:13:54 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92691&oldid=92678 * Laclale * (+14) /* P */
16:14:46 <b_jonas> fungot, do you do symbolic integration? 
16:14:46 <fungot> b_jonas: i am not.)
16:19:16 <esolangs> [[Plurple]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92692 * Laclale * (+256) Created page with "{{Stub}} Plurple is an esoteric programming language by [[User:Laclale]]. ==Why Plurple?== "'''Programming Language Using Role-Playing''' Syntax", with "le". ===Spaceless Synt..."
16:22:09 <fizzie> Someone asked #elsewhere what's the expected value for a dice roll 'with advantage' (roll twice, keep the better one), got inspired to work through the sums: https://zem.fi/tmp/roll.html
16:22:50 <riv> that is a lovely page
16:23:33 <riv> interesting that the result is a simple polynomial
16:30:57 <b_jonas> fizzie: the numeric answer 13.825 is correct, yes
16:31:20 <int-e> > sum [i*(2*i-1)/36 | i <- [1..6]]
16:31:21 <lambdabot>  4.472222222222222
16:31:34 <b_jonas> int-e: both dice are d20
16:31:39 <int-e> ah
16:31:44 <b_jonas> answer should be 13.825
16:31:45 <int-e> > sum [i*(2*i-1)/400 | i <- [1..20]]
16:31:46 <lambdabot>  13.825
16:32:31 <b_jonas> [ (+/%#),>."0/~1+i.20
16:32:31 <j-bot> b_jonas: 13.825
16:33:21 <b_jonas> fizzie: this product function in octave is not familiar to me, but then I stopped using octave for a while. 
16:34:16 <int-e> > sum (max <$> [1..20] <*> [1..20]) / 400
16:34:18 <lambdabot>  13.825
16:34:36 <int-e> that's basically the octave code
16:34:39 <fizzie> `blsq 20roJcp)>]++400.0./
16:34:40 <HackEso> 13.825
16:34:57 <b_jonas> I don't really like the hard-coded 400
16:35:21 <esolangs> [[Plurple]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92693&oldid=92692 * Laclale * (+33) /* Spaceless Syntax */
16:35:23 <int-e> > sum (maximum <$> replicateM 3 [1..20]) / 20^3
16:35:25 <lambdabot>  15.4875
16:35:25 <fizzie> The Octave code is really the empirical approach, with randi(20, 2, 1000000) generating a million pairs of d20 rolls.
16:35:41 <esolangs> [[Plurple]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92694&oldid=92693 * Laclale * (+0) /* Syntax= */
16:36:56 <b_jonas> [ (+/%#)>./?2 1e6$20 NB. we can do that too. 1e6 dice rolls.
16:36:57 <j-bot> b_jonas: |out of memory
16:36:57 <j-bot> b_jonas: |   (+/%#)>./    ?2 1000000$20
16:37:09 <b_jonas> [ (+/%#)>./?2 1e5$20 NB. 1e5 dice rolls
16:37:09 <j-bot> b_jonas: 12.8028
16:37:15 <b_jonas> wait, I have to add 1
16:37:21 <b_jonas> [ (+/%#)>./1+?2 1e5$20 NB. 1e5 dice rolls
16:37:21 <j-bot> b_jonas: 13.821
16:37:36 <fizzie> `blsq 20roJcp)>]av   "oh, d'oh"vv
16:37:37 <HackEso> 13.825
16:38:10 <b_jonas> [ (+/%#)3 :'(+/%#)>./1+?2 1e4$20'"0 i.1e2 NB. 1e6 dice rolls
16:38:10 <j-bot> b_jonas: 13.8228
16:47:14 <int-e> > let d1 = M.fromList [(i,1) | i <- [1..20]]; d ? d' = M.fromListWith (+) $ do { (v,c) <- M.assocs d; (v', c') <- M.assocs d'; return (max v v', c*c') }; d n | n == 0 = M.singleton 0 1 | odd n = d1 ? d (n-1) | even n = let d' = d (n `div` 2) in d' ? d'; v d = fromIntegral (sum [i*v | (i, v) <- M.assocs d]) / fromIntegral (sum [v | (_, v) <- M.assocs d]) in map (v . d) [1,2,3,5,10,20,50,100]
16:47:15 <lambdabot>  [10.5,13.825,15.4875,17.14584375,18.640276203041992,19.465454237971002,19.91...
16:47:28 <int-e> oh, duh.
16:47:41 <int-e> > let d1 = M.fromList [(i,1) | i <- [1..20]]; d ? d' = M.fromListWith (+) $ do { (v,c) <- M.assocs d; (v', c') <- M.assocs d'; return (max v v', c*c') }; d n | n == 0 = M.singleton 0 1 | odd n = d1 ? d (n-1) | even n = let d' = d (n `div` 2) in d' ? d'; v d = fromIntegral (sum [i*v | (i, v) <- M.assocs d]) / fromIntegral (sum [v | (_, v) <- M.assocs d]) in map (v . d) [50,100]
16:47:42 <lambdabot>  [19.917590627618583,19.99405282170002]
16:49:08 <int-e> (that's for keeping the maximum value out of 50 and 100 dice)
16:51:30 <int-e> (slightly overengineered, I was hoping to get to 1000, but the result is NaN ;-)
16:52:48 <int-e> And if I had done it properly (go through Data.Ratio.Rational Integer), it would've been 20.0
16:55:03 <b_jonas> "the result is NaN" hehe, that sounds like there's something wrong and maybe you shouldn't trust the result for 50 or 100 either
16:56:14 <b_jonas> [ (+/%#)3 :'(+/%#)>./1+?50 1e4$20'"0 i.1e2 NB. average from 1e6 tries of (maximum of 50 d20)
16:56:16 <j-bot> b_jonas: 19.9179
16:56:29 <int-e> > fromIntegral (20^1000) :: Double
16:56:30 <lambdabot>  Infinity
16:56:34 <b_jonas> [ (+/%#)3 :'(+/%#)>./1+?100 1e4$20'"0 i.1e2 NB. maximum of 100
16:56:37 <j-bot> b_jonas: 19.994
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16:56:58 <b_jonas> int-e: oh, is that because you compute the exact value rather than randomness 
16:56:58 <int-e> > realToFrac (19^1000 % 20^1000) :: Double
16:56:59 <b_jonas> makes sense
16:57:00 <lambdabot>  5.2918227477450474e-23
17:02:25 <int-e> > let d1 = M.fromList [(i,1) | i <- [0..19]]; d ? d' = M.fromListWith (+) $ do { (v,c) <- M.assocs d; (v', c') <- M.assocs d'; return (min v v', c*c') }; d n | n == 0 = M.singleton 42 1 | odd n = d1 ? d (n-1) | even n = let d' = d (n `div` 2) in d' ? d'; v d = realToFrac (sum [i*v | (i, v) <- M.assocs d] % sum [v | (_, v) <- M.assocs d]) in map (v . d) [1000,10000]
17:02:27 <lambdabot>  [5.2918227477450474e-23,1.722078277288862e-223]
17:03:10 <int-e> (that's the distance to 20 instead)
17:03:55 <int-e> formally, mapping value n to value 20-n, and correspondingly, taking the minimum instead of the maximum.
17:22:46 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92695&oldid=92121 * Peter * (+25) 
17:22:51 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92696&oldid=92695 * Peter * (-25) 
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17:56:10 <kspalaiologos> i think the matrix end is still broken
17:56:14 <kspalaiologos> i can receive messages but not send them
18:00:54 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: if it's broken on the IRC side, not the matrix side, then talk to #libera, they can help
18:01:10 <kspalaiologos> i have no idea on which side it's broken to be fair.
18:01:18 <kspalaiologos> but the messages from here get slooowly bridged to matrix.
18:06:21 <fizzie> AIUI they've got a specific support channel for the Matrix bridge as well.
18:06:33 <fizzie> https://libera.chat/guides/faq#can-i-connect-with-matrix "If you still have questions about using the Libera.Chat bridge, visit #libera-matrix from IRC or #libera-matrix:libera.chat from Matrix."
18:41:07 <b_jonas> oh! I didn't know that
18:41:20 <b_jonas> read that page then
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19:30:12 <Palaiologos[m]> matrix test
19:30:16 <Palaiologos[m]> still broken...
19:32:17 <sknebel> that was visible in IRC 
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19:48:55 <Palaiologos[m]> matrix test 2
19:48:57 <Palaiologos[m]> the messages don't seem to show  up in the transcript
19:50:53 <Palaiologos[m]> bridge test
19:50:56 <Palaiologos[m]> the bridge's been weird lately but now it works i think?
19:51:00 <Palaiologos[m]> maybe now?
19:51:04 <Palaiologos[m]> matrix test
19:51:34 <Palaiologos[m]> figured, but the delays seem to be quite serious.
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20:19:16 <Bertrahm> Eyyy
20:19:19 <riv> eyyy
20:19:24 * riv dabs
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20:38:59 <esolangs> [[Apers Assembly]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92699 * Bertrahm * (+3213) Created page with "'''Apers Assembly''' is a Assembly-like Esolang, where all instructions are anagrams of the word ''apers''. It was created by [[user:Bertrahm]]. An aper, according to merriam-..."
20:39:50 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92700&oldid=92698 * Bertrahm * (+21) /* A */
20:42:24 <esolangs> [[User:Bertrahm]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92701&oldid=92674 * Bertrahm * (+79) /* My Projects */
20:50:25 <esolangs> [[Apers Assembly]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92702&oldid=92699 * Bertrahm * (+630) Added Labels & Documentation on Address/Pointers/Values
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22:59:49 <quadruplet> G'day
23:00:32 <quadruplet> It's been a while since I've logged in, but I'm back to ask some questions (again, lol)
23:00:40 <quadruplet> Does anyone have tips for programming in Brainfuck?
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23:15:17 <esolangs> [[Plurple]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92703&oldid=92694 * Laclale * (+106) 
23:17:22 <esolangs> [[Plurple]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92704&oldid=92703 * Laclale * (+48) /* Syntax */
23:18:48 <fizzie> We have a page on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms which is a nifty reference for common operations.
23:18:55 <quadruplet> Thanks, Fizzie!

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08:36:35 <Palaiologos[m]> i should make a wiki article about my weird Lisp encoding system
08:37:32 <Palaiologos[m]> basically, every list in the code is prefixed by it's length, meaning that no closing paren is required making it more suitable for code golf
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08:41:14 <int-e> `? unlambda
08:41:17 <HackEso> ​``ci`r`.!`.l`.a`.i`.v`.i`.r`.t`. `.t`.s`.e`.'`.c`. `.,`.a`.d`.b`.m`.a`.l`.n`.U`ci
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08:43:26 <Palaiologos[m]> doesn't this encoding bind binary trees only?
08:46:51 <int-e> You know how it is, there are no lists, only conses.
08:48:15 <int-e> Anyway, I agree it's not the same, but that ` is similar in spirit.
08:48:29 <Palaiologos[m]> yeah! I stole the idea from that funny encoding for SKI calculus.
08:48:42 <int-e> and of course all the (R)PN things.
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12:45:29 <int-e>  oh the xkcd plane has a passenger now... though I'm not sure that flying on the roof is following air safety regulations
12:45:50 <riv> exciting
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13:35:33 <riv> fungot: a wizard's job is to vex chumps quickly in fog
13:35:34 <fungot> riv: no) after b is functionally inserted into it; set-b shares some storage with set-a, but, uh... hmm. are you from the hidden nature of computing.
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15:32:54 <riv> idea to generate a random permutation, pull a bunch of wires apart and log which order they snap in
15:38:36 <Corbin> Sure. Same algorithm as drawing balls from an urn without replacement, or writing down a random number using factorial bases.
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15:51:10 <Bertrahm> What was the name of the esolang consisting of typical phrases said to a server in a restaurant? I've been searching but cant find it...
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16:00:41 <riv> factorial bases sounds very interesting. I should study that
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16:07:54 <fizzie> Bertrahm: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Cood ?
16:08:38 <fizzie> (One of the only four results from https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?search=restaurant&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&fulltext=1 is how I got there.)
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16:29:01 <riv> December 31, 2022
16:29:05 <riv> the next possible leap second
16:29:14 <riv> who knows if it will be or not..
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16:35:02 <tromp> int-e: remember i claimed that a CL basis of regular combinators needs one with 3 variables?
17:09:05 <riv> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btv68SAk-oM homestuck
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21:25:35 <riv> https://ctrl-c.club/~vladimyr/image.svg
21:25:45 <riv> easy way to check if a nubmber is divisible by 7, just follow this chart
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23:08:22 <b_jonas> in M:tG, is there an aura that switches the enchanted creature's power and toughness? if not, why not? 
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23:27:38 <zzo38> I don't know if there is one or not.
23:32:49 <zzo38> I once saw someone made up unofficial card that cost {0} and only has split second and no other effects; I also saw a comment someone said there is a better way to improve storm count. However, I think that isn't the only use; the fact that it has split second can be useful by itself even if it does not have any other effect.
23:34:51 <zzo38> What would you think of that? Do you think if madness is added, that it is OK? etc?
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