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And doesn't R5RS predate you? 15:02:15 fizzie: you might have meant 15:02:25 So deep. 15:03:56 [[Talk:10D Deadfish 7 with Time Travel and a Multiverse]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134169 * HammyHammerhead * (+0) Created blank page 15:04:14 fungot: so where is that time machine? 15:04:15 int-e: xxx x x x x x x) is syntax groups, is sets, and using cont 15:04:49 As part of the neverending quest to improve the wiki infrastructure, planning to set up MariaDB replication so that the backups are no longer just weekly affairs but effectively real-time. Since these days there's so many edits a week. 15:04:50 !style 15:04:54 ^style 15:04:54 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld elon enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube 15:05:00 too manyt prefixes... 15:05:07 ^prefixes 15:05:07 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . 15:05:09 [[Talk:10D Deadfish 7 with Time Travel and a Multiverse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134170&oldid=134169 * HammyHammerhead * (+107) /* Command discussion */ new section 15:05:14 `? prefixes 15:05:17 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 15:06:10 fizzie: tbf I was pretty sure that my second guess was correct :) 15:09:38 Heh, this piece of "you have a delivery and need to pay some fees" spam has been translated to Finnish reasonably well, except the message is signed by "Kuninkaallinen Posti", or in other words "Royal Mail". 15:09:55 Of course it's always possible they've crowned a King or a Queen of Finland while we've been gone. 15:10:55 :) 15:12:46 Spam can be weird. I recently had one allegedly by a finnish(!) immigrant to the UK who wanted to hire a full-time tutor to ensure a proper education for his kids. I didn't quite understand what the scam would be. I imagine it would be an advance fee scam but how do you pull that off when you're presenting as somebody who has a 4 digit amount of pounds to spare per month? 15:13:43 Oh I made a terrible blunder, it was Sweden. My apologies. 15:16:36 `? int-e 15:16:37 int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. Hen gillar inte färger, men han gillar dissonans. Er hat ein Hipster-Spiel gekauft. 15:17:30 Oh right, that's one more reason to detonate the Sun. 15:17:54 perlbot prefixes 15:17:54 b_jonas: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =. 15:18:00 @prefixes 15:18:00 Unknown command, try @list 15:18:10 `prefixes 15:18:11 I don't know what the third sentence means. 15:18:12 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 15:18:49 `? fizzie 15:18:50 fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg . He understands how it actually works. 15:19:12 `? tanebventions 15:19:14 Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the hug, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex. 15:19:54 Is that Go the game, or Go the language, or both? 15:19:58 Cthulhuquagdonic Mothraquagdonic Narwhalicorn better be one of those lists 15:58:50 -!- X-Scale has joined. 16:06:33 I don't think Swedish "står för sig själv" means anything else than the literal English translation of "stands for itself", as in, "requires no supporting evidence / further explanation" or other things of that nature. 16:09:49 fizzie: I miscounted, it's the fourth sentence that I don't understand. 16:10:09 (something about dissonance) 16:10:55 the trouble with small numbers is that there are so many of them 16:36:14 "He/she doesn't like colours, but he does like dissonance" is what I assumed it means. Not sure why it switches from gender-neutral to male halfway through. 16:47:11 -!- X-Scale has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:52:47 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 16:53:40 [[Divmeq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134171&oldid=134162 * TheCanon2 * (+115) Wrote golfed versions of the addition and subtraction programs 17:20:14 -!- tromp has joined. 17:22:08 -!- X-Scale has joined. 17:22:39 fizzie: thanks 17:23:01 [[Talk:Sakana]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134172&oldid=133593 * TheCanon2 * (+53) Acknowledged the issue of finding Sakanas computational class 18:06:31 -!- X-Scale has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:06:46 -!- X-Scale28 has joined. 18:42:36 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 18:46:28 -!- tromp has joined. 19:27:27 -!- salpynx has joined. 19:29:25 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:36:37 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 19:49:47 [[Talk:Divmeq]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134173 * TheCanon2 * (+215) Created the talk page 19:50:07 -!- tromp has joined. 20:03:39 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 20:12:25 [[Talk:Divmeq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134174&oldid=134173 * TheCanon2 * (+656) /* Programming tutorial */ new section 20:16:06 -!- tromp has joined. 20:29:39 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 20:51:13 b_jonas: I made an almost useless thing: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/shapez-oracle/ 20:59:23 [[ScriptJava]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134175&oldid=88799 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) Categories 21:01:50 [[Talk:Divmeq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134176&oldid=134174 * TheCanon2 * (+1130) Added sections for single-values and brainfuck-style loops 21:02:38 int-e: nice 21:05:21 int-e: this seems to indicate that RuRuRuRu:--------:CuCuCuCu is possible 21:06:03 it would also be better if it provided proof for possible shapes by showing a method of construction somehow, like a tree with simple inputs in their leaves 21:06:53 Huh! Okay, I'll have to debug that... 21:07:53 [[Talk:Divmeq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134177&oldid=134176 * TheCanon2 * (+10) /* Programming tutorial */ fixed grammar 21:25:48 Oh no, I aliased two memory regions while optimizing the code. 21:25:54 is there a standard (information theoretic) term for a unary "bit" equivalent? base3 = trit, base2 = bit, base1 = ??? 21:27:47 salpynx: uh, a tally mark? 21:30:02 that was the best I could think of too, tally / mark / symbol, but it sounds a bit informal. I thought I'd seen something like "uit" somewhere, but maybe that's too silly 21:36:40 b_jonas: Okay, fixed that. 21:37:21 b_jonas: I can't easily extract a recipe from this though :P 21:40:56 If I did it would look very silly too. 21:41:50 Anyway, the lack of recipes is why I wrote "almost useless". 21:54:54 b_jonas: that was a good catch; only 443 templates were corrupted in the resulting table. 21:56:12 thumbsup 22:03:04 oh god there's another bug 22:07:39 wait, "optimizing the code"? isn't this just a single table less than 64 kilobits in size that you compute once and do a single lookup in, since you aren't getting a recipe, only a bool for whether the shape is possible? 22:08:24 anyway the other bug was on the javascript side 22:08:30 so easier to fix, done 22:09:04 b_jonas: the table compressed into a 447 bytes .wasm file :P 22:10:06 nice 22:10:20 did any of the bugs get into your machine in the shapez save? 22:10:29 no 22:11:14 It was all in the part where I started to manually optimize web assembly that I got from Rust. 22:11:36 ah 22:11:45 well that makes more sense 22:12:12 [[Talk:Divmeq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134178&oldid=134177 * TheCanon2 * (+817) Created and documented an assembly notation for Divmeq 22:13:56 [[Talk:Divmeq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134179&oldid=134178 * TheCanon2 * (+4) made a mistake 22:16:58 -!- __monty__ has quit (Quit: leaving). 22:18:57 [[Talk:Divmeq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134180&oldid=134179 * TheCanon2 * (+4) ctm 22:22:09 b_jonas: before that manual optimization it was 1060 bytes and allocated 1M of memory instead of just the table 22:23:06 so... while it's not exactly sane to mess around at the web assembly level, it did pay off 22:30:27 [[Talk:Divmeq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134181&oldid=134180 * TheCanon2 * (+229) 22:34:32 b_jonas: It turns out you can get everything by stacking zigzag shapes like Cu------:--Cu----:Cu------:--Cu---- from below (or prefixes thereof, or rotations or mirror images, so 28 shapes in total), or rotations of Cu------:--Cu---- from above (no mirrored versions required, somehow). Which is a lot cheaper than stacking every pair of possible templates. But the only way to verify this is to... 22:34:38 ...check that you still get all the templates. 22:36:45 which condenses to this... uh... beautiful? code. https://paste.debian.net/1324668/ 22:40:18 golfing... 22:40:36 int-e: only now https://int-e.eu/~bf3/shapez-oracle/ says that -------- is possible, which is wrong 22:42:15 and also says that RuRu----:-------- is possible 22:43:01 Yeah I know, the former is a quirk of the enumeration and the latter is an incomplete validity check for *encodings* of shapes 22:43:31 I'll fix the former; not sure whether I want to fix the latter. 22:44:03 (the way I wrote the code, RuRu----:-------- is an alternative encoding of RuRu----) 22:44:49 that's reasonable 23:02:23 456 bytes now. Oh well. 23:11:30 [[Talk:Divmeq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134182&oldid=134181 * TheCanon2 * (+396) added section for for loops 23:13:17 [[Talk:Divmeq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134183&oldid=134182 * TheCanon2 * (+56) fixed typo