< 1722729854 504396 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1722730017 975340 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs mtm :Textual User > 1722732068 813824 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134735&oldid=134733 5* 03Ais523 5* (-430) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/134732|134732]] by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]]): trolling < 1722732191 339627 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I made something of a breakthrough wrt Hydra and Antihydra: I still have no idea how to prove they don't halt, but at least I figured out how to simulate them efficiently < 1722732193 651288 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the details are at https://wiki.bbchallenge.org/wiki/Consistent_Collatz < 1722732299 692749 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure whether "can be simulated in quasilinear time" implies much about the computational class, though < 1722732491 852919 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: hmm on https://wiki.bbchallenge.org/wiki/Hydra are the A(,) things supposed to be C(,) things? < 1722732494 273856 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, it looks like the same algorithm's been discovered already < 1722732512 67222 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: no, because the notation is showing something else from what you expect < 1722732523 186940 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's talking about the state of the tape < 1722732533 493844 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think A goes back to C quickly < 1722732597 922293 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, I don't fully understand it myself < 1722732613 27255 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it might just be wrong after all, or perhaps expressing a useless distinction < 1722732835 749341 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh the notation is from [1]. < 1722732892 402252 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So yeah, I think those A() should be C(). < 1722734655 324823 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I'd look for an extension that does something like domain name salespersons do when they prevent you from creating misleading domain names using homoglyph trickery ← I think AbuseFilter (which we already have installed) can probably do that, but I've never needed to use the relevant part of the functionality so I'm not sure how it works, and esowiki seems a likely place for false positives < 1722736655 112083 :lutherann!~lutherann@user/lutherann QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1722736772 647825 :lutherann!~lutherann@user/lutherann JOIN #esolangs lutherann :lutherann > 1722737005 290683 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:UTC+814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134736&oldid=133537 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+547) 10/* New Example */ new section > 1722737059 354273 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/"trolling" incident14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134737 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+374) 10Created page with "ME WANTING TO BLOCK AIS523 FROM MY PAGES IS NOT "TROLLING" ~~~ WAS BLOCKED FOR NO REASON FROM THE SANDBOX unname4798 WAS BLOCKED FOR NO REASON FROM THE SANDBOX MAYBE WE WILL MOVE TO LIFEWIKI??? YOUR FUNNI SITE WILL GET LESS GOOGLE R > 1722737098 397397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134738&oldid=134627 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-495) 10 < 1722737102 600092 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1722737132 621666 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :op_4 < 1722737275 497068 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, should I just delete that rant-filled user subpage? < 1722737303 220374 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my first reaction was to – the user in question is likely to regret having posted it in a few months or years – but I am not sure what to put in the deletion message > 1722738298 59378 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Esolang:Genesis10]]": cross-namespace redirect left over after a page was moved to the correct namespace > 1722738343 114478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Esolang:ANGL10]]": cross-namespace redirect left over after a page was moved to the correct namespace > 1722738378 971140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Esolang:Users10]]": blank page, has never had content > 1722738424 320501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Esolang:Sandbox/ Trashcan10]]": unused, and not useful, Sandbox subpage > 1722738482 337581 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Esolang:Sandbox/Sandbin10]]": apparently an abandoned attempt to recreate a "preservation of test edits" sandbox, which is inappropriate for this site < 1722740942 1013 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1722740976 378763 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1722741025 570500 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1722742560 489114 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm wondering if a lot of pages ought to be deleted. I was browsing the wiki on my phone last night and... wow, there are a lot of pages that are completely unoriginal, or ideas that never went anywhere < 1722742756 428425 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: a) I agree that lots of the pages are useless, but b) we intentionally have very low standards for esolangs to be mentioned on the site, because it was originally created as a way to save esolang-related content that was being deleted from Wikipedia (although the content couldn't actually be copied over due to license incompatibility, we rewrote it) < 1722742825 271858 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have wondered if we should have some sort of award for the less useful pages, but it would be hard to objectively define < 1722742867 170964 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes sense. it's just hard to navigate (as a novice who's been around at least 10 years) to anything real < 1722742882 7242 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. occasionally I create an esolang in 30 seconds; one of those was useful enough to provoke someone else's thoughts, and one got used for a fairly important TCness proof, although most esolangs created that quickly are terrible < 1722742925 367175 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :part of the problem is that there are quite a lot of esolangs that aren't individually really bad, they're just too similar to each other and there isn't much benefit to them all existing < 1722742999 967433 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, something like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Kipple is completely unremarkable nowadays and you can find tons of languages like it and wouldn't have much of a reason to use it < 1722743007 758973 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then you look at the date, and realise that there was nothing like it at the time < 1722743048 10443 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it got quite a lot of attention simply because it had less competition – and for all I know, it may have been ground-breaking because there weren't that many similar languages back then < 1722743132 357980 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :precedence definitely makes sense, especially when it probably *was* groundbreaking at the time ( is there usenet/irc logs from that time?) < 1722743296 859101 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :for some reason I was going through category:thematic and there were a lot of pretty hypothetical languages, no implementation in sight > 1722743356 590881 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hq9+8F14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134739 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+663) 10Created page with "hq9+8F is hq9+ but different: by ~~~~ h retains the same. q sets the accumulator to this code. + increments the accumulator by 2. prints "1" forever f 1722743460 118627 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/"trolling" incident14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134740&oldid=134737 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+165) 10Use my signature < 1722743512 342989 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: we did actually save the IRC logs from the very early history of the channel: https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/all.html < 1722743610 549233 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think Usenet ever got used that much, except for INTERCAL (which traditionally gets released over Usenet and some discussion has happened there too) < 1722743631 360116 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was a webforum, but it got overrun with spam quite quickly, people preferred to use the wiki instead > 1722743666 568026 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134741&oldid=132072 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-8487) 10removed the Grasp section, since that was outdated < 1722743693 928916 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :was kind of hoping for a tar/whatever archive link at the bottom of that page < 1722743715 200767 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can wget -r like anyone else but it seems wasteful < 1722743761 721039 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like there are links for every month < 1722743767 520539 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm not sure there are combined links for more than that < 1722743794 480588 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :recursive wget is a bad idea because you'll get every month both combined and separately, and in three different formats; probably it's better to do an URL enumeration < 1722743849 941119 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's worth noting that some of the early history of the channel was very immature – I am wondering if the same phenomenon is playing out on Discord nowadays < 1722743851 851548 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, definitely < 1722743924 569975 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, yeah, I first was on another IRC and saw stuff from another young dude in the old quote database or whatever it was called > 1722743977 941434 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/"trolling" incident14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134742&oldid=134740 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-39) 10Combine two sentences together < 1722743998 381865 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :IRC has lost the whole feeling of new people in all but a few channels (mostly bridged to discord/other services now) > 1722744127 451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/"trolling" incident14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134743&oldid=134742 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+291) 10answer to tommyaweosme's question < 1722744128 560098 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's almost like the Eternal September is ending > 1722744198 296472 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/"trolling" incident14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134744&oldid=134743 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+16) 10 < 1722744207 98250 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's unlikely that internets will ever be able to go back to the way that they were prior to that > 1722744240 204818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/"trolling" incident14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134745&oldid=134744 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+20) 10 < 1722744250 79997 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(given that modern language struggles with even expressing the idea that there might be more than one network of networks, with none of them sufficiently important to be "the" internet…) < 1722744338 820677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, Wikipedia suggests "internetwork" as a term to use in the general case, that helps < 1722744522 824366 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, to explain this whole "trolling" thing: it generally isn't considered a serious request to ask an admin to block themself, you would normally at least ask a different admin > 1722744563 840615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sixtyfeetunderassembly+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134746&oldid=134707 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+66) 10Examples: cat > 1722744590 266259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sixtyfeetunderassembly+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134747&oldid=134746 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-7) 10 > 1722745237 419912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134748&oldid=134738 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-40) 10fix typos > 1722745288 758361 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134749&oldid=134748 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+4) 10 < 1722745324 224619 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ugh, I really don't want to have to put a blanket ban on users editing each other's user pages < 1722745356 773630 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would help to some extent at times like this – but it would also cause a number of issues, e.g. people wouldn't be able to edit out objectionable content without asking an admin, and there are some valid uses for userpage collaboration < 1722746201 276453 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree, a blanket ban would probably be harmful. probably best to just ban/revert the problematic users < 1722746235 171033 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if that's at all feasable, but I think mediawiki has pretty good support for that kind of thing) < 1722746373 735700 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1722746389 495810 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lots of users seem to take it personally when you try to prevent them making unconstructive edits, though < 1722746414 492943 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can cause less friction to have a general rule for the whole wiki (and if a whole range of users are doing the same problematic things…) < 1722746432 495485 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't think I can teach the wiki software to work out whether a user-editing-another-user's-page is good or bad < 1722746434 955783 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's too subjective < 1722746693 255173 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :as a lurker on, like several wikis.... I can't provide any meaningful feedback < 1722746782 30069 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: Still reading backlog, but have you heard of "inclusionism" and "deletionism"? Speaking purely for myself, I only edit inclusionist wikis, and it's the main reason I'm no longer active on English WP. < 1722746786 538607 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's OK – most of the trouble is being caused by me trying hard to not ban people < 1722746898 555881 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: nowadays, I actually suspect the divide on enwiki is more sharply between "notability is inherent, non-notable things should be deleted" and "inclusion standards are determined by sourcing, and are probably more important than notability, although notability's very correlated with sourcing" < 1722746900 625380 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm in the latter camp < 1722747005 186376 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah, it's a whole Overton window. I left when they forcibly disbanded Esperanza; it's only gotten worse since then. < 1722747078 277296 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be fair, Esperanaza probably needed disbanding by that point; it's actually quite reminiscent of the sandbox wars, except that Esperanza had a more reasonable initial purpose < 1722747112 296906 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but ended up turning into something of a cross between a social media organization and a really complicated organisational hierarchy that existed for no apparent reason < 1722747120 280188 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and lost sight of why it was created in the first place < 1722747124 704915 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: One useful thing we can do is categorize. Categories like "Implemented" or "Turing-complete" or "Proofs" let us have a modicum of curation. Part of the current situation is due to Category:Proofs misuse. < 1722747210 453567 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I guess that's a way of looking at it. From my POV, there were many low-level editing tasks that just needed us to attract the right undergrads or high-schoolers with the right amount of hyperfocus. Esperanza was a useful way to recruit them. < 1722747212 696763 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, and plus a bunch of stuff is trivially provable to.... something at least < 1722747212 821637 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do feel like Wikipedia's got more inclusionist over time (except with respect to things that people are being paid to advertise on Wikipedia, they've become less and less tolerant of that as time goes on) < 1722747235 104144 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. rewriting content from Mathworld or that one Catholic encyclopedia, in the old times. > 1722747262 470030 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134750&oldid=134726 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+35) 10/* examples */ < 1722747266 911855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, you've never been able to write unsourced articles (within the rules, at least) – and the converse is becoming more and more true over time (i.e. if the article *is* properly sourced you can write it) < 1722747369 843775 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although there's lots of grey area, such as future solar eclipses (there are plenty of sources saying an eclipse will happen on such and such a future date, but as it hasn't happened yet, there's nothing you can usefully say about it…) < 1722747374 793176 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :wasn't the mathworld guy a major contributor on the english wikipedia? or am I thinking of someone else? > 1722747414 442653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134751&oldid=134750 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+4) 10/* examples */ > 1722747465 586389 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134752&oldid=134751 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+4) 10/* examples */ < 1722747467 946076 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll concede that webcomics, which IIRC were the biggest debate topic regarding notability and sourcing and admins going on mass-deletion sprees -- are much better-represented than they used to be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_Hill exists now. < 1722747547 383708 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :realname < 1722747548 795224 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: The licensing of their articles permits young wikis to more-or-less copy their content. That one guy (Weisstein?) just happened to write a lot of the originals. < 1722747551 223789 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do know that Weisstein did some sort of conway's life thing. so there's that < 1722747597 20309 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :When I worked on that project, we had a strict rephrasing policy in order to conform with WP's view of maths, which is much broader and more holistic than Mathworld's. < 1722747614 660085 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :webcomics are still pretty spotty, especially for weird ones that wouldn't get mainstream press, ever < 1722747786 236088 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :(including the second-longest runner. welp) < 1722747827 611090 :lutherann!~lutherann@user/lutherann QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1722747951 996092 :lutherann!~lutherann@user/lutherann JOIN #esolangs lutherann :lutherann > 1722748767 549705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134753&oldid=134510 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+475) 10/* Huh? */ > 1722749681 464448 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134754&oldid=134612 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+10) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ > 1722749910 864426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134755&oldid=134752 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+118) 10 > 1722749955 867574 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134756&oldid=134755 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+41) 10/* syntax */ > 1722750400 790076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134757&oldid=134753 5* 03Ais523 5* (+477) 10/* is this a true disan count? */ it isn't > 1722751339 461803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Gggfr 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:?Q? esolang logo.jpg10]]" > 1722751364 504867 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134759&oldid=134756 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+61) 10 > 1722752568 676293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hq9+8F14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134760&oldid=134739 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+7) 10 < 1722753427 204860 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1722754120 236971 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1722754417 928573 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1722754754 201418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07;;;14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134761 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+600) 10Created page with "''';;;''' is a made by [[User:Yayimhere]] == memory == memory is stored in a infinite tape holding 8 bit numbers. == syntax == these are the commands: {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! symbol !! command |- | ; || if current cell is 0 go left on tape. else > 1722756188 471877 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134762 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+1138) 10Created page with "{{WIP}} {{Lowercase}} {{wrongtitle|title=w>}} '''w>''' is a esolang where the only way to store data is by creating pointers and changing commands. its self modifying. it was created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. and yes w> can have multiple IPs. the pointer starts in the upper left < 1722757233 670429 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1722757966 32144 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134763&oldid=134704 5* 03Ducbadatchem 5* (+167) 10/* Introductions */ < 1722759231 587989 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1722760152 793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Every-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134764&oldid=130905 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+39) 10 > 1722760502 10759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*&&^14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134765&oldid=131868 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-18) 10/* Python3 (without the ^) */ < 1722760896 313326 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: how do you feel about socks? < 1722760896 593343 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: this edit isn't going through." ( forgot who said it?)) > 1722760921 120664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134766&oldid=134759 5* 03Xff 5* (+36) 10/* syntax */ > 1722761135 290488 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134767&oldid=133382 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+49) 10/* Commands */ > 1722761222 904224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134768&oldid=134766 5* 03Xff 5* (+52) 10/* syntax */ > 1722761453 427099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134769&oldid=134768 5* 03Xff 5* (+493) 10/* examples */ > 1722761511 434168 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134770&oldid=134769 5* 03Xff 5* (+30) 10/* computational class */ > 1722761526 529651 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134771&oldid=134770 5* 03Xff 5* (+13) 10/* computational class */ > 1722761741 656461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134772&oldid=134771 5* 03Xff 5* (+39) 10 > 1722761753 595616 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134773&oldid=134772 5* 03Xff 5* (+1) 10 > 1722761841 920369 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134774&oldid=134773 5* 03Xff 5* (+125) 10/* computational class */ > 1722761897 814847 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134775&oldid=134774 5* 03Xff 5* (+15) 10/* computational class */ > 1722762136 558665 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134776&oldid=134775 5* 03Xff 5* (-3) 10/* computational class */ > 1722763022 318158 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134777&oldid=134776 5* 03Xff 5* (+430) 10/* computational class */ > 1722764135 955654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134778&oldid=134721 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+58) 10/* Class and Variables */ > 1722764215 500480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134779&oldid=134778 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-88) 10/* Commands */ < 1722764693 173004 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1722764977 292509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134780&oldid=134779 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+452) 10/* Classes, Variables and Functions! */ > 1722765014 239744 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134781&oldid=134780 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+7) 10/* Hello World */ > 1722765610 236335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134782&oldid=134781 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+63) 10/* Examples */ > 1722765683 380491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134783&oldid=134782 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ > 1722765914 446496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0799 bottles of beer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134784&oldid=131581 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+616) 10/* FunctionsFTW */ < 1722765924 16601 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for webcomics, though it doesn't give descriptions, there's a master list at https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?272481 that I occasionally reference to find new links to webcomnics that move to a new URL without redirect every three years < 1722765938 620338 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course some webcomics just drop off the internet, in which case it doesn't help > 1722766061 978814 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134785&oldid=134777 5* 03Xff 5* (+221) 10/* computational class */ < 1722766101 66845 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1722766102 714075 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Wikipedia's got more inclusionist over time" => that is quite natural, both because the computer hardware improves and can more easily store and serve larger numbers of articles, and because it feels weird to include articles about obscure topics in a smaller encyclopedia when most topics more important than that aren't documented, but less weird in a large encyclopedia where most of the similarly < 1722766108 728788 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :obscure topics are already covered > 1722766122 97190 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134786&oldid=134785 5* 03Xff 5* (+137) 10/* computational class */ > 1722766219 249690 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Permission denied14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134787&oldid=128661 5* 03Xff 5* (+36) 10/* Signs */ > 1722766308 485661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134788&oldid=133737 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+117) 10/* Gofe */ > 1722766325 895997 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134789&oldid=134788 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* =G# */ > 1722766601 579345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One Time Cat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134790&oldid=134003 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-21) 10/* SPIKE */ > 1722766646 91926 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SPIKE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134791&oldid=133132 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-12) 10/* Interpriter test cases */ > 1722766692 673116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07File:?Q? esolang logo.jpg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134792&oldid=134758 5* 03Xff 5* (+4) 10 > 1722766726 405613 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SPIKE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134793&oldid=134791 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-199) 10/* Deadfish implementation */ < 1722766766 73059 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lots of non-notable esolangs => perhaps I should read random articles and make a longer curated list of not completely boring pages under https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:B_jonas#Incomplete_list_of_some_interesting_or_notable_esolangs > 1722766828 319915 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134794&oldid=134757 5* 03Xff 5* (+105) 10/* is this a true disan count? */ < 1722766854 575009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :let's add up- and downvoting to the pages; surely there's nothing that can go wrong with that < 1722766856 123817 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"occasionally I create an esolang in 30 seconds" => that can happen for an intermediate language that is not useful by itself, but useful to understand another esolang, like to compile to or from that intermediate language to another esolang to understand it < 1722766871 659334 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"award for the less useful pages" => sorry what? < 1722766923 643229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION is probably missing context
< 1722766930 630391 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Happens < 1722767207 879061 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a hard part of making a long curated list of non-boring pages (or appproval votes or whatever) is how to do it such that users don't get personally insulted when their new totally awesome creation doesn't make the list > 1722767259 897002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:XKCD Random Number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134795&oldid=133991 5* 03Xff 5* (+23) 10/* X strike */ > 1722767324 362466 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134796&oldid=133127 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+259) 10 < 1722767333 721649 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus it can't just be everyone giving approval votes, because then it turns to a eurovision context where whoever can get the largest number of their school friends to register on the wiki has the highest number of upvotes < 1722767365 637589 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I should probably just make a list of pages that I approve, and also look at lists by some other users that I know > 1722767390 865197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134797&oldid=134796 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-170) 10/* Commands */ < 1722767408 452674 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should start by going through the pages that I have edited > 1722767410 512447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134798&oldid=134797 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-20) 10/* Commands */ > 1722767417 881207 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134799&oldid=134786 5* 03Xff 5* (+161) 10 < 1722767426 841961 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would make it very obvious that it's my personal selection, since I created a lot of those < 1722767465 388198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's your user page; people *should* understand > 1722767507 321565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Constant14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134800&oldid=131741 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-22) 10 < 1722767833 552844 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it'd be a subpage, but sure < 1722767893 612557 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if it grows large enough that it's actually useful to readers other than me then people will be insulted when I omit a page that I have seen < 1722767907 136667 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still, can be worth a try > 1722767914 909156 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bracket unary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134801&oldid=134727 5* 03Xff 5* (+1) 10 > 1722768167 144462 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B i n a r y14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134802&oldid=134728 5* 035anz 5* (+42) 10 > 1722768428 709430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134803&oldid=133598 5* 03B jonas 5* (+44) 10/* Incomplete list of some interesting or notable esolangs */ > 1722768533 721636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:?Q?14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134804 5* 03Xff 5* (+115) 10Created page with "is the proof of turing completeness correct? --~~~~" > 1722768843 253089 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:AsciiDots14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134805&oldid=100413 5* 035anz 5* (+92) 10/* Why are there no basics? */ new section > 1722768869 56774 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:AsciiDots14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134806&oldid=134805 5* 035anz 5* (+72) 10/* Why are there no basics? */ < 1722769027 682064 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos JOIN #esolangs kspalaiologos :Kamila > 1722769156 224092 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134807&oldid=134803 5* 03B jonas 5* (+74) 10/* Todo */ > 1722769305 886692 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134808&oldid=134783 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+277) 10/* Examples */ < 1722769349 93706 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? befunge < 1722769350 575034 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the Beginning was Befunge. And Befunge begot Fungot. And Fungot got Taneb. And Taneb tanebvented All the Things. Fnord. < 1722769539 172992 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user/kspalaiologos QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1722769575 885699 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? dew < 1722769576 782161 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1722769577 714628 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the Famous Mountains of York, Taneb makes dew. < 1722769635 772465 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? lua < 1722769637 323691 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lua is an object-oriented programming language that doesn't have any features, but you're smart enough to figure out how to use it anyway. Taneb is written in Lua. < 1722769642 146128 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I forgot a lot of this lore about Taneb < 1722769685 968639 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? nooodle < 1722769687 810116 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Noooooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. < 1722769800 325629 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? real < 1722769802 211124 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994. You can pay with them fast in Nora's Hair Salon. > 1722770761 559501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:5anz14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134809 5* 035anz 5* (+1215) 10Created page with "Hello, my name's 5anz, well, it's not my REAL name, but it's who I'd rather be known as online! So, uh... here's some stuff about me, I guess. I might add more to this page. == Esolang I made == I made [[B i n a r y]], an Esolang inspired by [[Whitespace]], just smalle > 1722771016 878567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07?Q?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134810&oldid=134799 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+2) 10/* tips */ > 1722771103 201504 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:5anz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134811&oldid=134809 5* 035anz 5* (-2) 10/* External recourses */ > 1722771334 102373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070 bytes XD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134812&oldid=130487 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-8) 10/* Python3 */ > 1722771464 730060 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Every-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134813&oldid=134764 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+9) 10 < 1722771537 612344 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1722772147 956523 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1722772310 175381 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134814&oldid=134808 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+182) 10/* Deadfish implementation */ > 1722772385 10942 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134815&oldid=134814 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Deadfish implementation */ > 1722772797 158996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Grasp examples cat.jpg10]]": unused, and conforming to an earlier (now nonexistent) draft of the language > 1722772822 550201 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Grasp examples call.jpg10]]": unused, and conforming to an earlier (now nonexistent) draft of the language > 1722772839 673661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Grasp examples append.jpg10]]": unused, and conforming to an earlier (now nonexistent) draft of the language > 1722772983 7250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134816&oldid=134815 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-4) 10/* Deadfish implementation */ < 1722773054 976152 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1722773165 461976 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1722773168 431330 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: "this edit isn't going through"? Are *you* messing with the wiki too? < 1722773168 931259 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ( and whatever temporary data are stored there). but it is version 0.0.1 after all :) ( quantum physics) < 1722773257 608981 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Plot twist: turns out fungot's actually behind the whole "sandbox war". < 1722773257 869112 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: mov ( pointer, fixnum, flonum, fnord, m-, fnord, < 1722773596 455913 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.157.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1722773770 619963 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.157.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull > 1722774337 716252 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134817 5* 03Xff 5* (+630) 10Created page with "{{Lowercase}} '''x.''' is a version of [[lambda calculus]] created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. it's a two instruction esolang == how it works == x. works like [[lambda calculus]](written a little differently) but the only thing you can do is the x. hence the name. its wri > 1722774589 680556 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134818&oldid=134734 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+941) 10/* unblocking me and unname4798 from esolang:sandbox */ respond < 1722774607 893389 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thought I shouldn't just leave it unanswered, not that it'll help. > 1722774774 223542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134819&oldid=134817 5* 03Xff 5* (+124) 10/* examples */ < 1722774788 854680 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1722774876 766840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134820&oldid=134763 5* 03Krolkrol 5* (+81) 10/* Introductions */ > 1722774889 383698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cat Program (language)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134821&oldid=115863 5* 03Krolkrol 5* (+69) 10/* Interpreters */ > 1722774982 738109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134822&oldid=134819 5* 03Xff 5* (+280) 10/* how it works */ > 1722775053 752720 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134823&oldid=134822 5* 03Xff 5* (+1) 10 > 1722775105 371700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134824&oldid=134823 5* 03Xff 5* (+35) 10/* a simple example */ > 1722775207 866670 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blindfolded Arithmetic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134825&oldid=108671 5* 03B jonas 5* (+50) 10/* Babbage's analytical engine */ > 1722775338 631283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134826&oldid=134824 5* 03Xff 5* (+223) 10/* how it works */ > 1722775347 559385 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134827&oldid=134826 5* 03Xff 5* (-2) 10/* a simple example */ > 1722775395 832313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134828&oldid=134827 5* 03Xff 5* (+115) 10/* how it works */ > 1722775426 632477 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134829&oldid=134828 5* 03Xff 5* (+8) 10 > 1722775485 112209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134830&oldid=134829 5* 03Xff 5* (+73) 10 > 1722775508 751797 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134831&oldid=134830 5* 03Xff 5* (-2) 10 > 1722775754 116336 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134832&oldid=134831 5* 03Xff 5* (+35) 10/* examples */ > 1722775774 856358 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134833&oldid=134832 5* 03Xff 5* (-1) 10/* a simple example */ > 1722775819 72752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134834&oldid=134833 5* 03Xff 5* (+20) 10/* a simple example */ > 1722775859 607533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134835&oldid=134834 5* 03Xff 5* (+11) 10/* examples */ > 1722775936 98734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134836&oldid=134835 5* 03Xff 5* (+0) 10/* examples */ > 1722776180 597776 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134837&oldid=134836 5* 03Xff 5* (+41) 10/* examples */ > 1722776213 523191 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cat Program (language)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134838&oldid=134821 5* 03Krolkrol 5* (+20) 10/* Python */ > 1722776517 520688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ARMLite14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134839 5* 03Ducbadatchem 5* (+2174) 10Stub, needed continuation > 1722776595 389505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:x.14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134840 5* 03Xff 5* (+174) 10Created page with "im pretty sure this is SK combinator calculus but im not sure: xyz.((xz)(yz)) x.(y.(z.((x.z.)(y.z.)))) (S) and xy.x x.(y.(x.)) (K)" > 1722776606 606652 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134841&oldid=134840 5* 03Xff 5* (+71) 10 > 1722776630 694361 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134842&oldid=134841 5* 03Xff 5* (+1) 10 > 1722776877 405811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134843&oldid=134842 5* 03Xff 5* (+97) 10 > 1722776924 993115 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134844&oldid=134843 5* 03Xff 5* (-343) 10Blanked the page > 1722776988 434172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134845&oldid=57619 5* 03Xff 5* (+380) 10/* Keywords */ > 1722777009 2821 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:x.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134846&oldid=134844 5* 03Xff 5* (+13) 10 < 1722777361 828171 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you have a link for that thing that compiler for programming x86 with only jump instructions? > 1722777558 807515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134847&oldid=134039 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+511) 10/* UTC+8 */ new section > 1722777956 864253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/TEST214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134848&oldid=134534 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+297) 10 > 1722778014 841969 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134849&oldid=134367 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+393) 10 > 1722778124 461971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Isomorphism14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134850&oldid=131114 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+111) 10 > 1722778527 653206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134851&oldid=134735 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+647) 10/* Sandbox page */ new section > 1722778744 785284 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134852&oldid=129205 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+129) 10 < 1722778809 269616 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1722779161 284604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Page crapper from explain xkcd14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134853&oldid=125857 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+11) 10My smallest edit > 1722779191 342277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134854&oldid=134818 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+313) 10 > 1722779286 328224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134855&oldid=134854 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+5) 10 > 1722779301 4739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134856&oldid=134855 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-1) 10 > 1722779400 284031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134857&oldid=134749 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+460) 10I think I need to place more language of this information on it. But my object isn't let the whole universe to know this user is banned. > 1722779665 323483 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134858&oldid=134851 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+553) 10/* A question for you. */ new section > 1722779723 702429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134859&oldid=134849 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+58) 10 > 1722779779 823331 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Viktor T. Toth14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134860 5* 03B jonas 5* (+434) 10Created page with "'''Viktor T. Toth''' is a physicist and self-described programmer with a screwdriver. He worked on non-esoteric programming including developing libraries for Macsyma (the computer algebra system). He created the following esoteric languages: * [[W (Viktor T. To > 1722779807 914637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W (Viktor T. Toth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134861&oldid=109517 5* 03B jonas 5* (+4) 10 > 1722779813 843549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Viktor's amazing 4-bit processor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134862&oldid=109504 5* 03B jonas 5* (+4) 10 < 1722780014 911229 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.200.40 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1722780571 355602 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.200.40 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1722781232 783844 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas, I'm not familiar with the jump-only version, but https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator is MOV-only > 1722782765 583269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134863 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2865) 10Created page with "PSTFChatGPT == == #xio: 0 #g: 1 #mio: 1 #hu: #png: 0 #j: #wng: #h..." > 1722782817 665328 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134864 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+35) 10Created page with "This article is written in Chinese." > 1722782846 170944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134865&oldid=134754 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+10) 10 < 1722782880 250731 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: oh, that must be it, thank you > 1722782884 308813 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134866&oldid=134857 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+14) 10  < 1722782926 755404 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :our article on it is https://esolangs.org/wiki/Mov > 1722782946 818840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Movfuscator14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134867 5* 03B jonas 5* (+17) 10Redirected page to [[Mov]] > 1722782954 116016 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134868&oldid=134866 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-33) 10  > 1722782982 476796 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134869&oldid=134858 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+492) 10 < 1722784017 211581 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cow (copy on write) and interrupt both have meanings in CS, so I wonder if there could be an esoteric language called interrupting cow < 1722784102 134356 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. Put thunks into each COW structure. Whenever a COW is copied and a thunk is reached, pause the current copy and start another one. It's one way of looking at graph reduction. I'm not sure how much sharing is achieved by default, though. < 1722784159 491358 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I imagine you could make something gnarlier by requiring some sort of interrupt vector, which itself is a COW structure, to be registered to each thunk. > 1722784918 6669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134870&oldid=134816 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+146) 10/* Variables */ > 1722784942 650296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134871&oldid=134870 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+8) 10/* Cat program */ > 1722784960 342640 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134872&oldid=134871 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10/* A+B problem */ > 1722785001 303034 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134873&oldid=134872 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* A+B problem */ > 1722785055 884562 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Acme::Bleach14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134874 5* 03B jonas 5* (+768) 10Created page with "'''Acme::Bleach''' is a language that executes arbitrary perl code disguised in an encoding consisting of only whitespace characters. Each character of the perl source code is encoded in eight bits, the bits represented in the Acme::Bleach source code by space and > 1722785087 636921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Whitespace14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134875&oldid=132686 5* 03B jonas 5* (-69) 10 > 1722785195 763176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134876&oldid=134873 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+27) 10 > 1722785274 381255 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134877&oldid=134523 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+453) 10/* gar */ > 1722785350 561956 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0799 bottles of beer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134878&oldid=134784 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+10) 10/* G# */ > 1722785438 513510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Empty Program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134879&oldid=133755 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+87) 10/* C Mono */ < 1722785441 938070 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1722785524 115134 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hodor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134880&oldid=100389 5* 03B jonas 5* (-9) 10it's a fricking disambiguation page. it should contain not much more than links to pages that could be named like that. < 1722785629 932755 :X-Scale3!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1722785841 356289 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1722786170 782333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hodor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134881&oldid=134880 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+12) 10add disambig template < 1722786332 130304 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1722786408 310926 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WysiScript is a language where the source code is formatted text, and it only cares about the formats, not the text itself. That's great, and had to be done once, except… it's from 2017, which sounds way too late. Is there an esolang that did this earlier? I know there's the non-esoteric ColorForth that uses color instead of punctutation, but that still cares about the text too, as in it uses < 1722786414 349581 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :identifiers made of letter and numbers like some normal language. > 1722786420 659005 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134882&oldid=134710 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-29) 10 < 1722786473 945899 :X-Scale83!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1722786589 337305 :X-Scale3!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1722786623 337001 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1722786695 379103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (D-G)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134883&oldid=132687 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+80) 10/* Gammaplex */ > 1722786808 601518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134884&oldid=134789 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10/* G# */ > 1722786828 372003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Polyglot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134885&oldid=124077 5* 03B jonas 5* (+0) 10 < 1722786895 361856 :X-Scale83!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1722786913 661865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Collabi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134886&oldid=134654 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+130) 10/* Added commands */ > 1722786936 112365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134887&oldid=134731 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+199) 10/* Gaot++ */ < 1722787103 936617 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1722787157 720712 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey has at least three cheese-oriented languages (Emmental, Mascarpone, SMETANA). do there exist cheese-oriented languages that weren't created by cpressey? > 1722787404 478132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lawrence J. Krakauer's decimal computer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134888&oldid=119408 5* 03B jonas 5* (-17) 10no need for wayback < 1722787476 945377 :X-Scale74!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1722787507 345210 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1722787948 215656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134889&oldid=134887 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-69) 10/* Postrado */ < 1722788085 337091 :X-Scale74!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1722788133 1995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134890&oldid=131585 5* 03B jonas 5* (+363) 10 > 1722788389 792388 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07X vs. Y14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134891 5* 03Xff 5* (+599) 10Created page with "'''X vs. Y''' is a very simple esolang by [[User:Yayimhere]] == memory == memory is stored in variables. they are defined like this: x y this sats x to the signed binary number y == syntax == {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! symbol !! written !! description |- | 1722789188 674681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134892&oldid=134868 5* 03Ais523 5* (-405) 10revert to the last version that was created by the user this page was about if a userpage is complying with the rules, it should be left in a state that matches the user's intent < 1722789207 345995 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1722789285 316093 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas/List14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134893 5* 03B jonas 5* (+13186) 10Created page with "This is a list of some esoteric languages and other pages on this wiki, curated personally by me [[User:b_jonas]], with notes on them for myself. The list is in some semblance of order with similar or related languages sometimes close to each other. I shoul > 1722789311 399920 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134894&oldid=134807 5* 03B jonas 5* (+24) 10/* Incomplete list of some interesting or notable esolangs */ < 1722789554 352468 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I started the list, but I haven't done any extra browsing for now, just added a lot of the pages that were already either in https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:B_jonas#Incomplete_list_of_some_interesting_or_notable_esolangs or that I have edited > 1722789694 56645 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134895&oldid=134894 5* 03B jonas 5* (+93) 10/* Incomplete list of some interesting or notable esolangs */ < 1722789818 515083 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Killed (tantalum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services)) < 1722789820 913419 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1722790067 903883 :haavard!root@haavard.me QUIT :*.net *.split < 1722790068 9686 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :*.net *.split < 1722790068 175319 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1722790068 227825 :andyatalligin!sid586669@2a03:5180:f::8:f3ad QUIT :*.net *.split < 1722790088 11741 :haavard!root@haavard.me JOIN #esolangs haavard :Håvard Pettersson < 1722790088 42057 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :My real name < 1722790088 42126 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 JOIN #esolangs mich181189 :Michael < 1722790088 42155 :andyatalligin!sid586669@2a03:5180:f::8:f3ad JOIN #esolangs * :Andy Turner < 1722790166 917284 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1722790528 891275 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134896&oldid=134629 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+68) 10 > 1722790884 970915 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:XKCD Random Number14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134897&oldid=134795 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10Sort < 1722790955 835071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf is that Unname4798 / Tommyaweosme roleplay > 1722791057 434244 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ARMLite14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134898&oldid=134839 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+33) 10Stub, category > 1722791065 301910 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134899&oldid=134896 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+259) 10 < 1722791247 338848 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1722791297 408818 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard JOIN #esolangs drwiz :[https://web.libera.chat] drwiz < 1722791429 260906 :lutherann!~lutherann@user/lutherann QUIT :Quit: i use arch btw < 1722791712 952836 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no – I typoed an URL and diffed two unrelated pages, and now I'm worried the bots will figure out how to do that and substantially increase the n in their O(n²) reads of the wiki > 1722791800 883937 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07X vs. Y14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134900&oldid=134891 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+33) 10Stub, category > 1722791902 455932 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Acme::Bleach14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134901&oldid=134874 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+59) 10Link, categories < 1722792069 937543 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1722792227 928437 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I get the impression that a) they know each other offwiki, and b) Unname4798 is making changes to userpages which they believe the owning user would approve of, but is likely to be mistaken < 1722792287 739506 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry about my connection < 1722792302 856235 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1722792454 536793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07x.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134902&oldid=134837 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+57) 10Categories > 1722792526 863777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Every-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134903&oldid=134813 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+89) 10Categories < 1722792601 64982 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: lol! that guy has an enemies list. is this for real? > 1722792674 814066 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134904&oldid=134762 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+127) 10Categories < 1722792688 671939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :We had a bit of edit-warring over the sandbox. The "enemies" are admins who intervened. < 1722792722 266041 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it feels like there have always been a few immature people in the esolang community < 1722792734 461240 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they grow up and become more mature, but then new immature people join < 1722792743 879571 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't you just the ban the user? this type of stuff is frankly very silly in an otherwise wonderful wiki < 1722792746 112324 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So... it's kind of real. It's anybody's guess how serious it really is... and how much of this is trolling born out of boredom. > 1722792763 933365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07;;;14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134905&oldid=134761 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+96) 10Categories < 1722792764 833601 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yeah immaturity < 1722792826 883555 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most of the community is great and most people don't really cause any drama – the problem is that the people who *do* cause drama cause a disproportionate amount of admin work and show up disproportionately on recent changes < 1722792844 275669 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1722792870 227890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hq9+8F14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134906&oldid=134760 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+90) 10Categories > 1722792880 632444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck is not turing complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134907&oldid=133733 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+91) 10Proof that 1=2 (joke) < 1722792918 869334 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1722792989 516957 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, it would be possible to ban all the drama-causing users, but I tend to prefer to avoid banning people if possible unless they have no useful contributions < 1722793037 640263 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :♥ > 1722793090 682372 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Every-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134908&oldid=134903 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+125) 10 < 1722793118 521036 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean I'm edit-warring too, removing the non-constructive stub tags that PythonShellDebugWindow is spamming everywhere < 1722793172 87750 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's just reverting, the edit has to be done or reverted twice to become a war < 1722793198 962527 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Absolutely not difficult to prove that 1=2 with the „correct“ Axioms and/or prerequisite Assumptions < 1722793261 928630 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 1 = 2 where 1 = 2 < 1722793263 592840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:3: error: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1722793266 988802 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aww < 1722793283 145164 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> { let x = 1 = 2 where 1 = 2; x } < 1722793284 898314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:1: error: parse error on input ‘{’ < 1722793292 268780 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let x = 1 = 2 where 1 = 2; x < 1722793293 793725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:11: error: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1722793299 868295 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@eval { let x = 1 = 2 where 1 = 2; x } < 1722793324 238561 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're annoying me, this is not an encylopedia that is trying to be an all-in-one reference work you put on your shelves, having good documentation off-site and a link from this site usually means a better documented language than the nonsense "language" that new users create a lot of < 1722793325 396618 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like I don't remember how to do that trick in Haskell any more < 1722793356 91548 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hasn't haskell changed n+k patterns? oh wait, you don't have + anywhere here < 1722793360 788301 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: fwiw, I think {{stub}} on an article that is only an external link is correct – the page could be improved by expanding it with more information < 1722793401 162076 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, though expanding non-stub pages like [[INTERCAL]] would be much more useful < 1722793408 999416 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :We can even gödelize countably (and thus also uncountably) infinitely many of those Equations into natural Numbers. < 1722793422 385538 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Welcome to Hilbert's IRC-Channel! < 1722793423 869946 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :😉 < 1722793434 564765 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at some point I need to get around to documenting Jelly on the wiki < 1722793441 851291 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :♥ < 1722793448 844662 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although it's quite difficult as I don't fully understand what all the commands do (even though there's documentation) < 1722793491 808352 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let 1 = 2 where 2 = 3 in 1 < 1722793492 546867 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@run { let x = 1 = 2 where 1 = 2; x } < 1722793493 476157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 1 < 1722793494 77837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:1: error: parse error on input ‘{’ < 1722793517 948680 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let 1 = 2 in 1 = 2 < 1722793519 438582 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@run let { x = 1 = 2 where 1 = 2; } in x < 1722793519 567464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:16: error: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1722793520 690564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:13: error: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1722793525 20999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yeah, n+k patterns are not part of Haskell 2010. GHC still supports them < 1722793530 560283 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that's not an expression < 1722793533 408207 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1722793538 688043 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let (=) 1 2 = True in 1 = 2 < 1722793540 39491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:6: error: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1722793551 987680 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and = is syntax, not an infix operator < 1722793558 989105 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah right < 1722793562 16772 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably easier in Rust? < 1722793563 88422 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let (==) 1 2 = True in 1 == 2 < 1722793564 770388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : True < 1722793567 948771 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there we go < 1722793589 328673 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Where You can allegedly directly modify the Program-Trees inside the Program itself? < 1722793592 373629 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :♥ < 1722793593 747030 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Epic < 1722793664 39842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> otherwise < 1722793665 498816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : True < 1722793684 689430 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although Rust does allow you to run parse tree modification code at compile time, this only happens in places where you've specifically annotated it should happen < 1722793695 116905 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I don't think we have a rust compiler bot on the channel < 1722793708 315029 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :correct < 1722793721 404918 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :ic < 1722793725 758406 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Never messed with Rust yet < 1722793727 910091 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :☺ < 1722793750 990921 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :At the Moment i try https://github.com/jl2/nim get to work < 1722793752 520284 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust macros are probably the ugliest part of the language. < 1722793777 901624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing they operate on is more of a token stream than a syntax tree. < 1722793813 900421 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1722793826 437923 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's funnier than that, they take token streams as input but have to output valid syntax < 1722793832 611642 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you get auxiliary crates like https://docs.rs/syn/latest/syn/ to fill the gap. < 1722793869 348444 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that's only one kind of macros, there's another kind that APic was talking about < 1722793889 971470 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't felt the need for macros yet, tbh... my Rust coding is still mostly at the toy level. < 1722793905 335536 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :APic: here's how you can do the 1==2 in Rust: https://tio.run/##XYyxCsMgFEV3v@IaMvigSzMm2F8Jr8FCwJj0qZP47TauPdPhDEdyTK0dvMm5SvYuaoi7PG9udd/MPqLAjDynBGsxvm8h2Fdv0D0QqvoEHLwHQygKN5fsIfmgzVDq8PgbavPsq4loUbW1Hw < 1722793919 815836 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it looks massively suspicious, more so than the Haskell < 1722793928 85850 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Big Thanks! < 1722793942 655588 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I consider it to be more of an s-expression than anything < 1722793979 473029 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a bracketed group is a single tokentree, to a macro – you can recurse into it but you can't match a prefix or suffix < 1722794017 674930 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like rust stole the idea from C that macros is where they delegate anything where they don't want to invent a nice general solution and don't want to document. Like, C has pages of standardese on what is and isn't valid in a sizeof. But is offsetof(struct{}) valid? Nobody knows, it's just a macro, not a *real* language construct, so they define it in like two lines, let the compiler writers < 1722794020 139443 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could make the 1==2 less suspicious by generating a macro that covered more of the code, and making it an attribute macro so there was less obviously a macro call involved (but that would mean making a whole separate module I think) < 1722794023 684226 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :decide. So actual implementations disagree. < 1722794062 541017 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it may be more of a case of "we don't want to impose a solution and then discover it's wrong" < 1722794065 281790 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"a bracketed group is a single tokentree" => yep, they stole that part from C macros too, except C macros only count round parenthesis, while rust macros count curlies and square brackets too < 1722794090 780468 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. there was the try! macro for ages before the ? operator was invented < 1722794115 403824 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(they do the same thing, but it gave them time to work out the typing rules for the ? operator correctly) < 1722794118 539196 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, the difference is that rust macros can isolate the first or last token of a token stream, or match if two tokens are equal, while C can't < 1722794209 813567 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do you do the "match if two tokens are equal" – can you write the same variable twice on the match side? < 1722794230 485019 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think Rust macros might actually be TC, though, which would be a major difference from C if true < 1722794279 44961 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :recursion in Rust macros works weirdly but I think it's powerful enough to construct loops that can access unbounded memory < 1722794403 982161 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also rust uses macros to get what look like functions but can't be functions because of unusual syntax: print! and panic! are macros because they take a variable number of arguments and because it implicitly takes shared references of them, both of which are banned for rust functions; assert! is a macro because it takes either one or two arguments, similarly unimplemented! takes zero or one arguments < 1722794439 651438 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :syntactically transforming from these to something built from ordinary functions is easy enough so they implemented them as macros < 1722794464 599597 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of the things I least like about Rust is all the autoreferencing and autodereferencing < 1722794482 829610 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1722794510 87542 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it makes programs hard to read because the distinction between a reference and the thing it references isn't easily visible in the code – but the distinction is often important, so hiding it from the user makes readability hard < 1722794514 757529 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand why env! is a macro rather than a const fn though < 1722794535 891562 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C++ had the better approach, using . and -> as separate operators < 1722794541 7985 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: do you mean cfg!? < 1722794548 875636 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I mean env! < 1722794574 866855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah no, < 1722794578 464031 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :env! is easy – it doesn't work at runtime < 1722794591 684164 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whereas const fns have to work at both runtime and compile time < 1722794593 621224 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cfg! takes an unquoted word argument so that woulnd't work as is, but it could be a function if it took a string < 1722794640 964362 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, env! absolutely requires a constant argument to work properly – it wouldn't work if given a non-constant argument, but const fns can't assume their argument is a constant because they might be run at runtime < 1722794662 821058 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so? it's possible to make env! work at runtime, just save the compile-time environment if env! is used in a way that the compiler can't evaluate during compile time. include_bytes! can't reasonably be implemented like that because you can't save all accessible files, but the environment has a limited size < 1722794668 914978 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, it could probably be a function that takes a const generic – env::<"PATH">() – except that const generics aren't implemented for non-integer types yet < 1722794692 642950 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: that would be a privacy leak I think < 1722794699 793268 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, possible < 1722794711 767490 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true, it would save USER and stuff like that < 1722794715 338132 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1722794722 218799 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, then env! being a macro is reasonable < 1722794750 355831 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though it's only a privacy leak to a somewhat limited extent, because other users on the same linux host can already see all process's environments by default < 1722794768 647319 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's why you don't put passwords into the environment < 1722794824 867728 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I was taught that passwords in the environment is correct, because command-line arguments leak more easily than environment variables do < 1722794852 45454 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I think the correct course of action is more like "use an environment variable that holds the path to a file that contains the password" < 1722794885 640122 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could also say that panic! is a macro because it has to save its compile-time location like __FILE__ and __LINE__ in C, but I don't think that works because the Option::unwrap function gives a stack trace with source location of the caller too < 1722794891 506843 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ cat /proc/1/environ < 1722794892 935618 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: /proc/1/environ: Permission denied < 1722794901 392383 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1722794924 285608 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(just wanted to pick an arbitrary root-owned process, I think init counts) < 1722794947 459851 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1722794955 253561 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I'm wrong then, this doesn't hold in modern linux then < 1722794960 865287 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the really interesting thing is if you want to transmit a temporary password from one process to another < 1722794963 369233 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you use a pipe? < 1722795006 312634 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, bash makes that easy these days < 1722795052 437414 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or a descriptor to a temporary file or other solutions of course < 1722795077 917614 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :temporary file might be easier because a pipe can get full < 1722795079 49560 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: thank you for making your language list – there were a few esolangs there that I missed < 1722795083 22462 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :efghij is amazing < 1722795105 898354 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow! that one was on my user page already though, so the list doesn't necessarily add much < 1722795110 577243 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, looks nice < 1722795171 302754 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: what are some nonsense languages that you found new users creating? < 1722795206 130399 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :drwiz: dunno, cycle through https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Random and you'll find some < 1722795227 834676 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't remember them usually < 1722795306 956800 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can pick a recent year category – esolangs have become worse on average as time goes on (the good esolangs are still just as good, but there are more pointless esolangs pulling the average down) < 1722795317 555839 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's the deal with https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Plutonium&diff=prev&oldid=107935 ? is it the OP ragequitting the wiki? < 1722795343 97341 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pages in category "2023" \ The following 200 pages are in this category, out of 411 total. < 1722795345 9054 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…wow < 1722795364 67822 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: can you link me to a pointless esolang? as an aspiring esolang writer, it'll help me to calibrate where I stand < 1722795366 257251 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: that's normally a sign of "I changed my mind about creating this page" rather than a ragequit < 1722795397 849381 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that's just the ones with a year category < 1722795410 988031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` pwd < 1722795412 41384 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/tmp < 1722795491 778113 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :drwiz: there are lots which are basically just brainfuck with a worse syntax and some extra commands that aren't particularly interesting, e.g. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Yee < 1722795503 454219 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`mkx ../bin/tio//<<<"$@" sed 's=.*##==' | tr @- ++ | base64 -d 2>/dev/null | cat <(printf "\x1f\x8b\x08\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00") - | gzip -dq 2>/dev/null | LC_CTYPE=C sed -zE 's=.*\xFF\xFF(.*)\xFF\xFF.*=\1=' < 1722795505 852593 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​../bin/tio < 1722795506 939331 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1722795519 47448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`tio https://tio.run/##XYyxCsMgFEV3v@IaMvigSzMm2F8Jr8FCwJj0qZP47TauPdPhDEdyTK0dvMm5SvYuaoi7PG9udd/MPqLAjDynBGsxvm8h2Fdv0D0QqvoEHLwHQygKN5fsIfmgzVDq8PgbavPsq4loUbW1Hw < 1722795520 318269 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :macro_rules! replace_equals { ($a:tt == $b:tt) => ($a != $b) } \ fn main() { \ println!("{}", replace_equals!(1 == 2)); \ } < 1722795537 325511 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like people think "I want to make an esolang with syntax that looks like X" but can't think of interesting semantics, so they just put all the commands of BF in there so that it'll be Turing-complete < 1722795568 248906 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ooh, so that's how you decode TIO URLs < 1722795600 693387 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are also language pages where the definition is seriously lacking, and there's no implementation nor extended description off-site, so I can't tell much about the properties of the language that it's suspposed to describe < 1722795611 700937 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: thanks for linking me to it. that's exactly the type of example I was looking for < 1722795618 97052 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assume that the various other optional sections (header, footer, arguments, etc.) go between the \xFFs near the end < 1722795636 54335 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if I want to make an esolang, I have to do much much better than this. this kind of thing is good to know for people like me. < 1722795662 560844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: there are two or three fields terminated or separated by \xFF\xFF... the first field is the language < 1722795673 222783 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there should be a "Contributing" page on the wiki which tells what type of content is suitable for this wiki and what isn't. perhaps there can be a word about not submitting "low effort" languages to the wiki. < 1722795683 737037 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually use this sort of thing to motivate new users – "even if your esolang isn't very good it almost certainly won't be the worst language on the wiki" < 1722795731 721520 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :drwiz: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:About is the closest we have, I think < 1722795732 83989 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :drwiz: no, the point is that those useless low-effort languages are usually appropriate onto the wiki. there are some exceptions, but that's only the minority of pages. < 1722795749 589164 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :together with the help and policy links < 1722795771 879766 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that snippet also answers "how do I abuse gzip to decompress a raw deflate stream" < 1722795787 533594 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: why are the low effort languages appropriate on the wiki? not arguing. just trying to understand the standards. < 1722795831 966389 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :drwiz: the original purpose why the wiki was founded is to attract the people who want to document those kinds of languages away from wikipedia < 1722795861 142413 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because of that there's no minimum standard on the esowiki < 1722795902 958190 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: well, the original purpose was to get the esolangs documented here so that the information wouldn't be lost if/when it was deleted from Wikipedia, although that might be equivalent to what you said < 1722795905 390489 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :understand < 1722795925 936293 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :who runs this wiki btw? does it cost money? who pays for it? < 1722795928 645151 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but lots of esolang content got deleted from Wikipedia at around the time the wiki was created, so the standards for inclusion were intentionally low < 1722795937 120827 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one has no useful information in the history so it can probably be deleted safely https://esolangs.org/wiki/FunnyEsolangLol < 1722795971 734339 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :drwiz: fizzie runs the wiki, the money comes from a sponsor credited on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:About < 1722795973 420895 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the wiki server is run by fizzie; the wiki's content is moderated by a team of admins, but in practice it's mostly me who does the moderation; and it's paid for by Bytemark, a hosting company who donates server hosting < 1722796016 909087 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas, ais523: thanks < 1722796025 939263 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some of the pages that annoy me are the ones that are not too interesting esolangs that hog prime namespace that should be left for better esolangs, especially when I feel like I can't steal them for the more interesting thing with the same name because that more interesting thing is less esoteric or less of a language > 1722796030 660735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02FunnyEsolangLol10]]": Author request: deletion requested by author, and has never had nontrivial content < 1722796083 144794 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like https://esolangs.org/wiki/W because https://esolangs.org/wiki/W is not esoteric enough, https://esolangs.org/wiki/MIX because https://esolangs.org/wiki/MIX_(Knuth) is not esoteric, < 1722796117 85917 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also about just pages where there isn't (yet) another thing to describe, but they still feel like they're taking up prime namespace > 1722796120 712565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134909&oldid=134700 5* 03Ais523 5* (-86) 10/* General languages */ rm redlink < 1722796162 987614 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/ABC is one where I might actually steal the namespace... hmmm < 1722796179 4907 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's one where the other is decidedly esoteric but less a language < 1722796180 749834 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the supply of esolang names seems to be even more inexhaustible than the supply of names for other things < 1722796194 167225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :MIX... I'd call it esoteric, in the sense that it was specifically designed to be similar to, but unlike, existing architectures. < 1722796197 536985 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, which is why it sucks that people give bad names < 1722796209 750519 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh < 1722796230 771770 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am considering naming an esolang after a smell, but am not sure how I would express the specific smell it's named after on the wiki, or indeed when writing about it in other contexts < 1722796231 606813 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would argue that it's exactly the same amount of inexhaustible since both are countably infinite, right? < 1722796231 919219 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eh I'm not sure what the point was. < 1722796236 952613 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: designing something to be unlike existing languages doesn't make it esoteric, it could just be an experimental language designed so you can try ununsual new ideas to see what sticks < 1722796248 384575 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this problem has come up in non-esoteric contexts when people try to trademark smells < 1722796261 560211 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: It's also not widely used outside of TAoCP. < 1722796269 694524 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :after a smell => by a parfume sold commercially? < 1722796290 452111 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: not so much perfumes, smelling is part of their function and you can't trademark something that's part of the product's functionality < 1722796291 560951 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1722796311 177515 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: But it's not obscure the way most other languages on the wiki are. < 1722796315 48736 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but some products have smells added to make it recognisable what company made them, when you open the packet < 1722796330 785029 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. It's an opinion. < 1722796331 497639 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, I'm saying the perfume for naming the esolang < 1722796367 669871 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : int-e: designing something to be unlike existing languages doesn't make it esoteric, it could just be an experimental language designed so you can try ununsual new ideas to see what sticks ← I am not sure – sometimes I think about languages which contain features that aren't widely (or ever) used just because I think they're a good idea, and am not sure whether they're esoteric or not < 1722796372 437400 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh, I see < 1722796413 623560 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the designers of Rust explained that they have a braces-and-semicolons syntax because practically useful languages have a "weirdness budget" of nonstandard features that people don't recognise, and they won't use the language if it's too weird < 1722796426 667624 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and they didn't want to spend theirs on anything other than features that were essential to the language < 1722796439 492928 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the syntax was intentionally boring < 1722796460 23380 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think arguably, if you don't care about staying within a given weirdness budget, that makes the language into an esolang > 1722796571 985179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134910&oldid=134794 5* 03Ais523 5* (+245) 10/* is this a true disan count? */ it's still an example program, just not *this* example < 1722796608 421206 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yeah, and trying to make the syntax resemble existing languages resulted in at least two weird features, one is how names in a pattern are disambiguated between a new binding and an existing nullary struct/variant constructor, the other is that an if/while/loop statement can either be a statement without a terminating semicolon or an expression < 1722796656 627506 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, but MIX does have a small weirdness budget, it does care about being similar to existing languages of the time it was created < 1722796679 562517 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think Rust should have had syntactically relevant case (with types, enum constructors, etc., having to start with an uppercase letter, and variables, function names, etc. with a non-uppercase letter) < 1722796764 222525 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :problems with non-cased languages like Chinese can probably be solved by using the underscore as an uppercase letter (although in practice I think most people use English identifiers rather than those from their native language) < 1722796776 637550 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would prefer if they allowed optional redundant empty parenthesis after variant constructors for disambiguate, both in expressions and patterns, eg. you can write None() < 1722796792 82328 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :incidentally, I am wondering whether if, when programming in Japanese, it makes sense to use katakana versus hiragana to disambiguate type from variable names, in much the same way that English speakers use case < 1722796794 448428 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then you'd have a way to disambiguate in at least one direction < 1722796843 891756 :drwiz!~drwiz@user/drwizard QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1722796859 249116 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps they could even add some disambiguation in the other direction, eg. you can use `const` as an analog of `mut` before a new binding, or with the @ punctuation somehow < 1722796891 710216 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually the ambiguity I most dislike in Rust is between trait methods and other trait methods with the same name, especially the way that you have to import the trait to be able to use methods from it < 1722796924 776145 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this could be partially fixed by allowing people to import the individual trait method, as opposed to the trait as a whole, which would be consistent with other imports (at present, importing a trait is sort-of like a glob import) < 1722796926 646373 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in foo@_ is clearly a new binding < 1722796978 813181 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only "natural-looking" way to disambiguate that I can think of is to require the path on an enum constructor < 1722796998 617997 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. match { Option::Some(x) => x, Option::None => 0 } < 1722797013 205344 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that would probably get tedious after a while < 1722797030 761925 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nobody wants to have to write match { Some(x @ _) => x, None => None } < 1722797087 565365 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is one reason I like casing as disambiguation < 1722797096 321458 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :given that almost everyone is doing that in practice anyway < 1722797105 26242 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking of Maybe::None or _::None, and that could still be useful if you could allow _::Foo in *expressions* where Foo would be allowed even if not imported as long as the typechecker can figure out the enum type eg. from the type of the caller function, but I think that would be a bit ugly in patterns, while Foo() looks less ugly < 1722797140 95494 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust doesn't have a Maybe, that's Haskell < 1722797148 305422 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, it's Option < 1722797158 706308 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, _::Some is interesting < 1722797164 411850 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some and None are fom Standard ML < 1722797178 655392 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's called option in OCaml, at least – not sure about Standard ML < 1722797195 229241 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the names Some and None come from there < 1722797201 895498 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and OCaml type names are in lowercase) < 1722797210 175589 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(variant names are titlecase, though) < 1722797257 23197 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OCaml polymorphic variants seem like they might be a useful feature in Rust, but probably not useful enough for the complexity of implementing them < 1722797346 3741 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they'd solve the whole thiserror/anyhow problem, at least < 1722797453 549662 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the way you'd implement it in Rust would be "an enum is a union of newtypes, if two newtypes appear in the same enum they are given representations that are always distinguishable, so that the union can be dereferenced/matched against safely" < 1722797469 60341 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think some C programs implement Rust-like enums like that < 1722797556 954724 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, probably types would have to be explicitly marked as enum variants, to avoid the problem where a type looks like a ZST but is not actually zero-sized because it's used as an enum variant < 1722797633 545833 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: is that with the enum declared once and for all, or declared once but extendible later, or not declared at all and just created implicitly by the typechecker when it finds what variants an expression can be? < 1722797643 586276 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but thinking about it, this solution seems obviously correct, and if I ever end up writing a Rust-like language that doesn't have backwards compatiblity constraints I will probably use it < 1722797655 275775 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also is this related to Haskell GADTs? < 1722797682 221677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I would do it OCaml-style: you can declare a specific enum with a particular set of fields, but can also make ad hoc enums by listing all the variants or by allowing the compiler to infer the list of variants < 1722797722 705343 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not confident enough about Haskell's GADTs to know how they correspond to polymorphic variants < 1722797993 439131 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see > 1722798103 574221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134911&oldid=97012 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10/* 3 (passive), plus an anonymous active command */ fix typo < 1722798326 953015 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like the symmetry between ad-hoc enums as sum types, and tuples (effectively ad-hoc structs) as product types < 1722798393 438331 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OCaml makes it even more ad-hoc by not requiring the variant type to be declared (although it uses a sigil to mark a type as a variant type, so that the compiler knows that it doesn't need to look for the declaration) < 1722798582 429916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :GADTs are something very different; they are algebraic data types (variants) that can be constrained through types. The motivating example is usually something like data Expr t where { EInt :: Int -> Expr Int; EBool :: Bool -> Expr Int; EPlus :: Expr Int -> Expr Int -> Expr Int; EEq :: Expr a -> Expr a -> Expr Bool } < 1722798613 459092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which tracks an expression's type in its 't' argument; Expr Int are Int-valued expressions while Expr Bool are Bool-valued expressions. < 1722798649 639465 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that one could just be two mutually recursive ADTs if not for the EEq, which belongs to both of them < 1722798653 9471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :They do not offer any ad-hoc extensions with additional alternatives. < 1722798728 980524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :People write libraries with heavier type-level machinery to get extensible data types, for example https://hackage.haskell.org/package/extensible-0.9/docs/Data-Extensible-Sum.html < 1722798810 927592 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1722798831 705241 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it crosses my mind that Rust *almost* has GADTs – it doesn't outright support not having certain variants in certain parameterized versions of the enum, but you can simulate it using traits and uninhabited types < 1722798840 348128 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: You could add, say, ELambda :: (Expr a -> Expr b) -> Expr (a -> b), and then it would be an infinite family of ADTs > 1722798888 940268 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:XKCD Random Number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134912&oldid=134897 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+68) 10/* Gift */ < 1722798924 596894 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, really totally different from polymorphic variants. < 1722798947 537233 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, no, it doesn't quite work – you would need trait specialisation to, e.g., define a trait that was implemented for all types, but differently for integers < 1722798963 536606 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: right, I think I understand the feature now > 1722799002 173812 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134913&oldid=134899 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+346) 10/* Appeal the revert */ > 1722799024 705622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134914&oldid=134892 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-136) 10Replaced content with "meow" < 1722799089 785867 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(of course if you add ELambda evaluating EEq will get difficult) < 1722799093 989812 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1722799173 428363 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: If whitespace counts as formats, there's https://esolangs.org/wiki/Whitespace < 1722799174 576481 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: only if you require it to return the correct answer in all cases; if it's a "can prove equal" versus "can't prove equal" it's fine < 1722799234 899281 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it feels like, in some contexts in which function equality is relevant, it is in practice often quite easy to prove… > 1722799241 688649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134915&oldid=134876 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+207) 10/* Examples */ > 1722799307 757536 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134916&oldid=134582 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+140) 10/* Brainfuck */ > 1722799834 894519 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Meow (tommyaweosme)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134917 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+995) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} meow is a language created by [[user:tommyaweosme]]. == commands == === datatypes === cat - string treat - number toy - float sleep - boolean kitty() - convert to cat feed() - convert to treat play() - convert to toy snore() - conve > 1722799853 698434 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Meow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134918&oldid=119742 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+26) 10added mine > 1722799976 552649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Amo gus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134919 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+396) 10Created page with "Amo gus is a programming challenge created by [[user:tommyaweosme]] for [[meow (tommyaweosme)|meow]]. == What it is? == An amo gus program does this: * asks for input * returns "gus" if input is "amo" * returns "amo" if input is "gus" * otherwise, do nothing For pro > 1722800136 858534 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fun Video Game14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134920&oldid=130811 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+102) 10 > 1722800171 479055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fun Video Game14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134921&oldid=134920 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+2) 10t y p o (weve spent our whole life waiting to fix this) t y p o (nah jk just a few seconds) t y p o < 1722802704 356627 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry about my connection < 1722802718 838740 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1722803001 677186 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I pay for the domain, incidentally. But it's less money than the hosting would be, at least for most of the ways of doing it. < 1722805929 830046 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1722806089 129626 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1722806116 634441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02User:Ractangle/G Sharp10]] to [[G Sharp]] < 1722807488 461325 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Noisytoot: thank you, I did know about Whitespace, I even listed it close to Wysiscript in https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:B_jonas/List , but I don't think it really counts > 1722807697 848239 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TESTLANG14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134924 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+229) 10Created page with "TESTLANG is an esolang created by [[Ractangle]] with one purpose. Testing stuff ==Syntax== ===Commands=== {| class="wikitable" ! Command !! Action |- | out || Prints a word next to it |- | note || Will ignore a word next to it |}" < 1722808055 872780 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1722808686 372731 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1722808965 701465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Meow (tommyaweosme)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134925&oldid=134917 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+78) 10Categories < 1722809855 237564 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1722810989 197785 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In my opinion, of designing a programming language, I do not need to consider "weirdness budget" so much, although depending on what it is specific being made for (e.g. if it is designed to be usable with the C preprocessor or if it is designed to be a variant of C, vs if it is something else and the syntax and meanings might be difference in many ways) < 1722811017 952214 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Furthermore, something might be similar if it was based on some feature of other programming languages, unless the designer thinks it should be better in a different way, in which case it can be made a different way instead. < 1722811447 529880 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1722811524 596793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Or++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134926&oldid=134518 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+155) 10Added a Collatz sequence < 1722812501 82257 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1722813405 858237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck is not turing complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134927&oldid=134907 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+1) 10/* Brainfuck is turing complete, but 1=2 */ > 1722813451 751351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/"trolling" incident14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134928&oldid=134745 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+184) 10 < 1722813579 883659 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1722813593 26038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134929&oldid=134856 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+339) 10/* unblocking me and unname4798 from Esolang:Sandbox */ < 1722813677 956039 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I also think that some features that have been used in some of the more modern programming languages are bad ideas, although so are some of the features of older programming languages, e.g. the confusing syntax for types in C programming language) < 1722814616 485453 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I've gone back and forth on this. With Monte, we deliberately incorporated syntax ideas from Python in order to make something that had mass appeal. Nobody liked it. < 1722814638 221098 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This time I've chosen to use S-expressions as surface syntax and spend all the weirdness budget in the IDE and VCS. < 1722814659 889169 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The budget is real, mostly because *you* the esoteric PL designer have a limited imagination. < 1722814804 845944 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know about Monte though, although I don't really like so much the syntax of Python, but some people do like it. < 1722814847 83932 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :But, it is not only about the syntax. I think a "goto" command is a good thing to have, and that Unicode string types is not a good thing to have built-in. < 1722814990 851805 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Monte was an attempt at a Python-flavored E. It was one of several languages to emerge from the Python 3 situation. I'm the only person to write serious amounts of it. < 1722815079 557171 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, dash wrote a few thousand lines, too. Like, dash wrote a lexer and parser, not nothing. But I wrote a nanopass compiler, a raytracer, a spellserver, a TUI widget library, and a bunch of other crap. > 1722815864 286587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Not-Quite-Laconic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134930 5* 03Corbin 5* (+623) 10Stub a page on NQL so that I can link to it from the Busy Beaver Gauge.