< 1723248637 841588 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1723248674 434978 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1723249917 276442 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1723249995 972522 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1723252767 546170 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:a18a:6faf:775a:3bd1 QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1723258376 21712 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Thus leading to my theory of wiki, "well somebody should probably write that down somewhere." < 1723258430 152865 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, I know some people think my contributions here or at nLab mean that I'm some great computer scientist or category theorist. No! I suck at all of this! I wanted to be a jazz pianist! But nobody else is documenting it, so I guess I should do it. > 1723258464 335968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minsky machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135478&oldid=134168 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+289) 10Formatting > 1723258687 281441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Divmeq14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135479&oldid=135233 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+2) 10Math < 1723258688 24484 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: that's part of it, but also I want to direct people towards interesting esolangs or related topics < 1723258702 798500 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, for sure. < 1723258703 177559 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that they might not notice otherwise < 1723258716 545169 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We should do another featured language~ < 1723258720 517608 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I often try to document why the particular thing is interesting < 1723259519 219276 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1723259537 953536 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1723259599 506882 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1723262448 826533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme/hjhjhj14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135480&oldid=135440 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+66) 10 > 1723262458 965444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme/hjhjhj14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135481&oldid=135480 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+1) 10 > 1723262488 357985 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme/hjhjhj14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135482&oldid=135481 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+204) 10sign my post > 1723263740 507488 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Dongbei14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135483&oldid=127583 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+480) 10 > 1723264046 112993 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dongbei14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135484&oldid=127476 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+57) 10 > 1723264332 138511 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070 Bits, 0 Bytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135485&oldid=133409 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+185) 10 > 1723265094 395659 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Why tho14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135486&oldid=134999 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10Lowercase < 1723267767 472925 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Long shot: Does anything in the standard FLOSS toolkit render interval trees? I need to render indefinite 1D and 2D interval trees and I'm debating whether I should torture gnuplot or write a custom SVG emitter. < 1723267817 117664 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm… isn't a flamegraph basically an interval tree? although I'm not sure whether there are standard tools for rendering those either < 1723267865 161935 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like if I were implementing it from scratch I would probably try to torture graphviz, but am not at all convinced that would be the best option < 1723267915 619453 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The standard tool for that is Brendan Gregg's Perl tool, and it doesn't do any sort of sorting or pretty rendering. If your call stack sucks, it'll gladly render something unreadable. < 1723267969 337941 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :or use PostScript, but if you want SVG output then you will either need a PostScript driver to produce SVG or you will need a program to convert PDF to SVG. < 1723267995 874295 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd rather emit raw XML at that point. It's not my first time doing it, although I never seem to get the hang of it. < 1723268025 191450 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing I like least about writing XML and HTML emitters is working out what the correct incantation to start the document with is < 1723268040 286626 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least HTML 5 picked one that's fairly easy to memorise < 1723268054 168292 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hail SVG, full of DOCTYPE, be all your paths < 1723268069 395498 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even then I often have to look up the correct way to specify the document as being in UTF-8 < 1723268121 371976 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you use only ASCII then presumably you should not need to declare the character encoding? < 1723268122 569584 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I should go < 1723268132 336316 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I normally do use Unicode characters a lot < 1723268133 848738 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries. Have a good night. < 1723268147 184601 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and although I could write out the entities, it's a bit of a pain < 1723268156 195234 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, in that case then yes you should declare it < 1723268157 237738 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and also more bandwidth, for what little that matters) < 1723268160 508361 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :night korvo < 1723268163 429437 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1723268308 3507 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you know PostScript programming? > 1723268453 854712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Divmeq14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135487&oldid=135479 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+243) 10Added Hello, World! > 1723268473 944476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Divmeq14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135488&oldid=135487 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+1) 10exclamation point < 1723268667 890461 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Not really. Is there a good tutorial you'd recommend? < 1723268734 394182 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know of any; I had just read the PostScript Language Reference, third edition. > 1723269259 448304 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python But WORST14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135489&oldid=127440 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+348) 10Added another interpreter and formatted the code to ensure compliance with PEP8 specifications. > 1723270693 949232 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Aarkinitio14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=135490 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (+2306) 10Page created > 1723270784 478162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Aarkinitio/INCDEC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=135491 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (+5929) 10Created page with "Simply branch to "inc" or "dec" to preform the given operation on a cell. You should branch to halt after your program is done to not cause any undefined behiavor. 
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< 1723277310 543443 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"at least HTML 5 picked one that's fairly easy to memorise" => what? is it not like the “” thing?
< 1723277391 70427 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh, and then “”
< 1723277400 658216 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since you mention declaring UTF-8
< 1723277416 969592 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though in practice just a BOM at the start would work too
< 1723277558 151315 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the hope is that it's  in all cases.
< 1723277582 411363 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Er, . I always forget that it's not versioned.
< 1723278166 307040 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think if you're not using XHTML then nobody except for validators actually cares about what those doctype declarations say, browsers just do their best job to render and ignore broken parts
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> 1723294617 922025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The kids choice awards14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=135506 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+360) 10Created page with "{{stub}} The kids choice awards is a program that prints "slime" over and over without terminating. This tests: * printing * looping * ability for lack of termination * ascii/[[tanstore]]/something else entirely * a good sense of humor * slimeslimesli
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< 1723319583 125443 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, I think I've prepared a fairly nice-looking 1D diagram summarizing the Busy Brain gauge: https://mostawesomedude.github.io/bb-gauge/bf-steps.html
< 1723319634 377659 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is basically what I wanted from the start. I wanted a gauge which visually indicates our progress and how the different problems relate to each other in terms of (perceptual, epistemic) difficulty.
< 1723319674 334322 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Next up will be BLC, which is also 1D. I'll have to go back to the drawing board for a 2D presentation for the BB on TMs.
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< 1723322982 228817 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bah. Wrote in support for ETag/Last-Modified response headers (and If-None-Match/If-Modified-Since request headers) to the logviewer, and it worked fine on the desktop, but it doesn't build on Debian stable because of GCC 12's more limited C++20 support, compared to GCC 13 here.
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< 1723324299 556912 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Solved with three ugly workarounds.)
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< 1723327726 418270 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :writing code for Turing machines is interesting. To do anything worthwile, algorithm states have a nested structure, but you have to either flatten them or use symbols to represent information about which sub-state you are in.
< 1723327739 261134 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I need some notation to reuse identical state transtion graphs in dfferent scopes? They would be compiled into duplicate edge transitions with distinct state (node) names, or maybe wrapped in different symbol markers to direct the block-end transitions to the correct destination after the shared block is complete..
< 1723327830 142675 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1723327848 979021 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not 100% sure if this makes sense, but I'm thinking about Turing machine code resuse (DRY!), and how it might relate to the tradeoff between symbols and states.
< 1723327869 254210 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I think if you're not using XHTML then nobody except for validators actually cares about what those doctype declarations say, browsers just do their best job to render and ignore broken parts ← HTML5 uses  because it was the shortest string that browsers would recognise as entering standards-compliant HTML mode, apparently they were ignoring the rest of the declaration just like the humans were
< 1723328007 37611 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: your gauge doesn't specifically say the cell size of the version of BF you're using; I assume it wraps at 256, but that should probably be written more clearly on the page
< 1723328454 291109 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe. next it'll turn out that the browsers are also ignoring the XML namespaces and just rely on that the tag names for SVG and MathML are clearly chosen to not collide with HTML 
< 1723328501 677240 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does "standards-compliant HTML mode" mean that they ignore the IE magic comments?
< 1723328510 698311 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it turns off quirks mode
< 1723328547 466601 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is basically a compatibility mode for bugs in old version of IE which became a de-facto standard
< 1723328570 190013 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, not all of them were bugs, some of them were underspecified in the standards and IE implemented them differently to what eventually ended up being standardised
< 1723328572 306872 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see
< 1723328608 473643 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does that include how they parse ampersand-entities that lack the semicolon? no, I think IE isn't involved in that
< 1723328783 315357 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirks_mode
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< 1723329044 816212 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank you for the info
< 1723329090 395480 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hope these differences won't come up for anything I develop, because I don't want to design HTMLs with pixel-exact designs that only work in IE5 on Windows 98 on 800x600 px resolution
< 1723329144 623876 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're past that era and the web is crazy in new ways
< 1723329162 753569 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I probably had a "best viewed with Netscape Navigator" gif on my personal home page.
< 1723329188 543520 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, and I definitely had a visitor counter.
< 1723329234 813929 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :☺
< 1723329251 283117 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION liked the animated GIF Counters that scrolled very, very fast.   😉
< 1723329308 827108 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember seeing sites with fake visitor counters in addition to the real one
< 1723329356 17775 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :TM as a node + edge labelled directed graph; look for repeated-edgelabel sub-graphs; compress. Now this is a compression problem, and a particular TM exists on a continuum of compression with many equivalent machines performing the same function (identity). bb winners are necessarily at the most compressed end of that continuum. (although there are probably two maximally compressed versions if we we swap which of symbol or state is most squeezed?)
< 1723329460 573238 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to have text that said "best viewed with Internet Explorer" or "best viewed with Netscape Navigator", whichever you weren't reading with, on an old long gone website
< 1723329476 90642 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what did it do if you weren't using either?
< 1723329509 963238 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 10 changes up the default window decorations just to push programmers against relying on pixel-perfect sizings that work only on the most common monitor size and font scaling
< 1723329531 866662 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it would be uncharacteristic of Windows, they are usually big on compatibility with every old program starting from Windows 3.0
< 1723329564 655542 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: displayed one of those two, I don't remember which one
< 1723329586 70939 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you're using a non-common browser then you don't need the stupid joke
< 1723329664 192306 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: IIRC most measurements in the Windows APIs are based on the window area not including window decorations
< 1723329679 41572 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can ask for the window decorations to be included in measurements, but normally have to do so explicitly, they're omitted by default
< 1723329736 556289 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, but programs (website or not) can have a layout that takes up a fixed area (measured in pixels) so changing the available area can break them in stupid ways. 
< 1723329765 753155 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I see
< 1723329774 681636 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :programs ilke that normally use less than the entire screen size and refuse to be resized
< 1723329790 71327 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :think about installers from the Windows 95-XP era
< 1723329813 289933 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(do they still do that nowadays?)
< 1723329876 966106 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mind you, that's still better than modern websites THAT DELIBERATELY ADD SCRIPTS OR CSS TO HIDE IMPORTANT CONTROLS IF THE VIEWABLE AREA IS NARROWER THAN YOU EXPECT, so you can't change passwords unless you maximize your browser. that's actively breaking things rather than just lazy design
< 1723329936 17762 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still pissed about the in-house design from my last job that does that
< 1723330218 498701 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sometimes you might be able to disable CSS (if your browser supports that) to avoid some problems; sometimes disabling CSS works around some of the problems that are caused by disabling scripts, too.
< 1723330266 870113 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that there are many problems with WWW, and that is one thing. (If the forms support ARIA (which some do), then to make a viewer that can use ARIA mode, might be one thing to try to make, if it can be done.)
< 1723330300 184533 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Firefox, disabling CSS is View | Page Style | No Style
< 1723330306 864248 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am pretty sure I have done this before now, but cannot remember why
< 1723330329 733888 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, that is what I use too and I use that feature very often
< 1723330369 870117 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I often use reader mode, which (in effect) overrides the CSS, replacing it with some stock CSS
< 1723330374 822569 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it also does things like removing sidebars
< 1723330802 425570 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Thanks, I'll make a note. I was hoping that that sort of detail wouldn't be relevant quite yet, but I'm always willing to expand my scope if it means that I get to include more folks from the community.
< 1723330961 475016 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I almost never entirely disable CSS these days, but I do often override it on some websites. I'm glad google sometimes crawling websites anonymously has made a lot of websites use fake paywalls where they do serve the full text of the article without payment and just hide it with some CSS and/or scripts.
< 1723331016 957483 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are other possible ideas to avoid some of these problems: subset of HTTP and HTML (see gemini://xavi.privatedns.org/small-web-browser.gmi for some ideas), other protocols and file formats (Gemini, Scorpion, NNTP, IRC, SSH, Gopher, etc), a local index of sites (see the link of subset of HTTP and HTML), auto-detection (from HTTP response headers and others), an index to speicify alternate services, etc.
< 1723331075 673749 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have criticisms of some of them, but multiple approaches are possible. These can be in addition to the other work-arounds mentioned above, and also the possibility to just complain, or to refuse to access it (and complain too if necessary), etc.
< 1723331167 103441 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, it seems like in many situations where you lot are disabling CSS for the entire page, I instead open the developer tools and just delete the relevant rule
< 1723331210 691894 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do the reverse, sometimes (usually adding a display:none rule for parts of the page that are annoying me)
< 1723331218 527814 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sometimes I will do that, but often I just don't like the CSS for the page anyways (I think that they should not try to style the page and just use the user's preferences, as much as possible).
< 1723331222 879035 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or occasionally visbility:hidden
< 1723331310 533660 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there used to be a time when every website used pointless random line-height CSS declarations, with no website at all that I've seen using that attribute in a useful way. that seems to have gone out of fashion by now.
< 1723331335 775262 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is probably an attempt at WYSIWYG?
< 1723331345 551145 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in, trying to make the page look the same on the viewer's screen as it does in the author's editor
< 1723331374 483935 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :One of the criteria I would use for an index of sites, that is not mentioned in gemini://xavi.privatedns.org/small-web-browser.gmi is that it should require that it works correctly even if CSS is disabled.
< 1723331388 125413 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, good luck, I force my fonts on almost all websites because that's the one easy customization option that firefox still offers me
< 1723331396 231300 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of my projects that I haven't got that far with is a web page "decompiler" which takes a web page made using a visual editor that has everything absolutely positioned, etc., and tries to convert it into sensible HTML that reflows according to the window size
< 1723331441 308403 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IMO, it makes sense to test websites with CSS disabled unless they are web applications that are heavily JS-based
< 1723331473 474004 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in order to ensure that the page looks reasonable to programs that don't parse it
< 1723331517 321017 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, although also many web applications will not need to be heavily JS-based either (sometimes it is helpful, but mostly it is not)
< 1723331544 869273 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I generally just prefer to not add any CSS. However, a CSS rule that should be the default setting in my opinion, would be:  img { max-width: 100% }
> 1723332037 398497 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Violation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=135576 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+478) 10Created page with "what about a program that has an interpreter base code (that no one touches), and it generates a new interpreter with a comment added on to the base interpreter with a random 128-digit number, so that it is new and therefore undeleted. every time the interpre
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