00:03:17 <esolangs> [[Pi-alpha function]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135577&oldid=135565 * TheCanon2 * (+710) Added Python implementation
00:24:54 <esolangs> [[User:TheCanon2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135578&oldid=135509 * TheCanon2 * (+23) Added Star to the list
00:25:17 <esolangs> [[User:TheCanon2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135579&oldid=135578 * TheCanon2 * (+4) 
00:31:55 <esolangs> [[Stars]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=135580 * TheCanon2 * (+399) Created page with "'''Stars''' is a [[#Computational class|Turing-complete]] esoteric programming language created by [[User:TheCanon2]]. Stars' syntax is composed entirely of asterisks and spaces, and is based on [[lambda calculus]].  ==Commands== Stars has four commands. {|class="wikitab
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01:15:15 <esolangs> [[Stars]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135581&oldid=135580 * TheCanon2 * (+532) Completed the article.
01:15:33 <esolangs> [[Stars]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135582&oldid=135581 * TheCanon2 * (+0) hyphen
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01:31:07 <esolangs> [[Stars]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135585&oldid=135582 * TheCanon2 * (+175) Added XKCD Random Number
01:38:51 <esolangs> [[User:XKCD Random Number]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135586&oldid=134994 * TheCanon2 * (+271) Added Ruckfish, Divmeq, Ichi, and Stars.
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04:16:09 <esolangs> [[Stars]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135587&oldid=135585 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+33) Category
04:37:26 <esolangs> [[BizzFuzz]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135588&oldid=135536 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+223) Implementation, see also
04:56:44 <esolangs> [[Ulsl]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135589&oldid=131896 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) Category
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07:21:31 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck+]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135590&oldid=123558 * Etos * (+20) /* Implementations */
07:22:35 <esolangs> [[User:Etos]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=135591 * Etos * (+57) Created page with "Hi I'm Etos and I like python http://GitHub.com/hilcon222"
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08:46:26 <ais523> `unicode SQUARE ROOT
08:46:28 <HackEso> ​√
08:46:30 <ais523> thank you
08:46:36 <ais523> (no idea where that one is on my compose key)
08:46:41 <ais523> (it probably isn't)
09:03:01 <b_jonas> ``` : "I recall that one is in CP437 so this should have it "; perl -e'for $k(4..7) {print map({chr($k*0x20+$_)}0..0x1F),$/}' | iconv -f cp437
09:03:02 <HackEso> iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0
09:03:12 <b_jonas> uh
09:04:25 <b_jonas> `run : "I recall that one is in CP437 so this should have it "; perl -e'for $k(4..7) {print map({chr($k*0x20+$_)}0..0x1F),$/}' | iconv -f cp437 
09:04:26 <HackEso> ​ÇüéâäàåçêëèïîìÄÅÉæÆôöòûùÿÖÜ¢£¥₧ƒ \ áíóúñѪº¿⌐¬½¼¡«»░▒▓│┤╡╢╖╕╣║╗╝╜╛┐ \ └┴┬├─┼╞╟╚╔╩╦╠═╬╧╨╤╥╙╘╒╓╫╪┘┌█▄▌▐▀ \ αßΓπΣσµτΦΘΩδ∞φε∩≡±≥≤⌠⌡÷≈°∙·√ⁿ²■ 
09:04:38 <ais523> very near the end
09:04:45 <b_jonas> right, the too many backticks unset the locale
09:05:12 <b_jonas> ``` : "alternately"; perl -e'for $k(4..7) {print map({chr($k*0x20+$_)}0..0x1F),$/}' | iconv -f cp437 -t utf-8; : "so it doesn't depend on the locale"
09:05:13 <HackEso> ​ÇüéâäàåçêëèïîìÄÅÉæÆôöòûùÿÖÜ¢£¥₧ƒ \ áíóúñѪº¿⌐¬½¼¡«»░▒▓│┤╡╢╖╕╣║╗╝╜╛┐ \ └┴┬├─┼╞╟╚╔╩╦╠═╬╧╨╤╥╙╘╒╓╫╪┘┌█▄▌▐▀ \ αßΓπΣσµτΦΘΩδ∞φε∩≡±≥≤⌠⌡÷≈°∙·√ⁿ²■ 
10:09:51 <esolangs> [[The kids choice awards]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135592&oldid=135540 * Unname4798 * (+15) add my-new-esolang.txt
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11:20:27 <fizzie> ais523: √ is compose-v-/ here, which amusingly was the very first thing I tried.
11:21:59 <ais523> √
11:22:03 <ais523> huh, that works for me too
11:22:14 <ais523> `unidecode √
11:22:15 <HackEso> ​[U+221A SQUARE ROOT]
11:22:27 <ais523> that will make things easier in the future if I ever need to type this again
11:42:24 <fizzie> Compose-o-o for ° may be the compose sequence I use most often, for talking about the weather. Mostly because the UK keymap can type ä and ö as altgr+[-a and altgr+[-o, respectively, which is one less keypress than compose-shift+2-a and compose-shift+2-o.
11:44:24 <ais523> yes, I use altgr-[ for umlaut/diaeresis semi-frequently
11:44:42 <ais523> altgr-; for acute possibly a bit more often
11:45:03 <ais523> I guess it depends on which languages you're typing in
11:49:12 <esolangs> [[NO(t) MORE(than)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=135593 * Yayimhere * (+1467) Created page with "{{WIP}} '''NO(t) MORE(than)''', '''NO MORE''' or '''NOMO''' is a esolang where everything is defined using NOT, MORE THAN, and OR.  == how it works == basic info: * memory is a circular tape with 10 unbounded cells holding positive integers all starting at 0.
11:54:31 <b_jonas> fizzie: ° is among the ones where I can just remember the iso-8859-1 code because it's very mnemonic: ° is 0xB0 because it looks similar to a superscript 0 so it's analogous to ² and ³ at 0xB2 and 0xB3. the other is · at 0xB7 which is mnemonic because it's often used to denote multiplication and the other character that's often used to denote multiplication is × at 0xD7.
11:55:04 <ais523> is ¹ at 0xB1?
11:55:06 <ais523> `unidecode ¹
11:55:08 <HackEso> ​[U+00B9 SUPERSCRIPT ONE]
11:55:13 <ais523> oh come on
11:57:03 <b_jonas> nope
11:57:31 <ais523> I am disappointed that that's in the wrong place despite being in the Latin-1 range
11:57:34 <b_jonas> another esolang-related option is to copy from http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm 
11:58:05 <b_jonas> yeah, I know, that one is messed up
11:58:19 <fizzie> `unidecode º
11:58:20 <HackEso> ​[U+00BA MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR]
11:58:23 <ais523> `unidecode ⁴
11:58:24 <HackEso> ​[U+2074 SUPERSCRIPT FOUR]
11:58:44 <ais523> all the superscript digits are used in Jelly, apart from possibly ⁰
11:58:50 <ais523> so I type them semi-frequently
11:59:09 <ais523> Brachylog, too (although subscripts are used more often in that)
11:59:11 <b_jonas> by the way, iso-8559-1 clearly shows that german style outwards sharp guillamots are better than french style inward sharp guillamots: « at 0xAB is before » at 0xBB
11:59:33 <ais523> huh, I thought those languages were the other way round
11:59:49 <b_jonas> um I did get it the wrong way yes
11:59:49 <APic> ☺
11:59:50 <b_jonas> sorry
11:59:52 <b_jonas> ouch
12:00:17 <ais523> I quote things «like this» semi-often in IRC when trying to specify literal text (like `…` in Markdown), to reduce the chance that the quotes are interpreted as part of the thing being quoted
12:00:48 <ais523> Jelly uses “smart quotes” for string literals, but I don't like it much because they're too hard to tell apart at small font sizees
12:01:03 <b_jonas> I usually use “...” for that
12:01:26 <ais523> I think it's too confusable with "
12:01:32 <ais523> they look different, but not that different
12:01:53 <ais523> (but they look more similar to each other than to ")
12:09:15 <b_jonas> yes, so when I do that I replace inner 
12:09:34 <b_jonas> "" or “” with ‘’
12:10:17 <ais523> that's not so good when you're trying to give someone a command to copy-and-paste
12:12:00 <b_jonas> yes, this if for when I quote something English on this channel
12:12:13 <b_jonas> to refer to or reply to it
12:12:45 <b_jonas> there are specialized solutions for programming languages: I quote C++ or python code with backticks, shell code (posix or windows cmd style) with round parenthesis
12:14:46 <ais523> now I am wondering if there's any situation where enclosing a shell command in parentheses changes its meaning
12:14:59 <ais523> (in a way that would prevent it working)
12:15:53 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135594&oldid=134916 * Yayimhere * (+32) /* Examples */
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12:20:55 <b_jonas> if it's in a script or session with more commands in a posix shell then yes, and I often deliberately use parenthesis to make (set -e; ...) or (cd $foo; ...) not affect later shell commands
12:21:53 <b_jonas> also in bash (( is a token so you need a space if your inner command starts with a parenthesis, but this is just a syntax thing
12:26:53 <b_jonas> ``` (perl -e'use POSIX; kill 9, getppid(); print "one\n";'; echo two)
12:26:54 <HackEso> bash: line 1:    53 Killed                  ( perl -e'use POSIX; kill 9, getppid(); print "one\n";'; echo two ) \ one
12:26:56 <b_jonas> ``` perl -e'use POSIX; kill 9, getppid(); print "one\n";'; echo two
12:26:57 <HackEso> Killed \ one
12:30:59 <ais523> hmm, I'm not sure that counts as an actual difference (neither of them printed two)
12:31:32 <ais523> I guess cd works differently inside and outside parentheses, but the difference only affects future shell commands
12:31:47 <ais523> (my first thought was /bin/cd, but the normal non-esoteric cd also works just fine)
12:32:51 <ais523> for people who have never seen /bin/cd, here's my current version of it: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/bin-cd.txt
12:33:20 <ais523> although it seems not to be working at the moment
12:33:27 <ais523> could be a permissions thing
12:37:10 <b_jonas> besides cd and set -e, setting shell parameters, whether exported or not, also doesn't extend out of the parens.
12:37:36 <b_jonas> (there's lots of other state, like ulimit, but these three are the ones that I encouter the most commonly)
12:43:59 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135595&oldid=135594 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* =NO(t) MORE(than) */
12:48:41 <esolangs> [[NO(t) MORE(than)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135596&oldid=135593 * Yayimhere * (+82) 
12:59:43 <fizzie> Expect some fungot downtime, I'll need to finally replace the guts of the computer it's running on.
12:59:44 <fungot> fizzie: and one built-in in the fnord, doesn't stand for the c core; macros will be very dependent on back-end implementation details that should not be
13:00:05 <int-e> fungot: got funguts?
13:00:05 <fungot> int-e: ( i think), and finally duplicated it, so he must exist in our minds; however, if it falls into the former
13:00:28 <int-e> . o O ( funguts - the 't' is silent )
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13:10:48 <b_jonas> huh, they errataed M:tG cards so they say "CARDNAME enters with a javelin counter on it." now instead of "CARDNAME enters the battlefield with a javelin counter."
13:11:46 <ais523> the cards have so many words now that they errata-ed away the "the battlefield" part of "enters the battlefield" in order to make a little more room
13:13:02 <esolangs> [[?Q?]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135597&oldid=135001 * Yayimhere * (-42) /* computational class */
13:13:45 <b_jonas> yep, apparently on triggers too
13:15:05 <b_jonas> like on Soul's Attendant
13:19:25 <b_jonas> maybe this was their plan all along back in M2010, but they didn't want to change "comes into the battlefield" to "comes" nor make people think of why they didn't do that
13:19:48 <b_jonas> they didn't want to change "in play" at all, that was just a side effect
13:22:44 <esolangs> [[Domino Crisis]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135598&oldid=125168 * PrySigneToFry * (+28) 
13:23:20 <esolangs> [[Works in progress]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135599&oldid=128446 * TheCanon2 * (+11) Added Asvi to the list of incomplete languages
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13:54:57 <int-e> b_jonas: Hmm did you ever do that shapez.io template enumeration?
14:00:37 <b_jonas> int-e: no
14:00:51 <b_jonas> (or not yet, at least)
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15:04:34 <esolangs> [[COPY WITH @]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135601&oldid=131615 * Yayimhere * (+1133) /* Examples */
15:16:37 <esolangs> [[Gate]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135602&oldid=133367 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* A OR B */
15:19:15 <esolangs> [[Gate]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135603&oldid=135602 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* examples */
15:28:16 <esolangs> [[Gate]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135604&oldid=135603 * Yayimhere * (+264) 
15:42:22 <esolangs> [[CGOLOE]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135605&oldid=133624 * Yayimhere * (+22) /* programs */
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17:06:02 <esolangs> [[NO(t) MORE(than)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135608&oldid=135596 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+48) Categories
17:09:04 <esolangs> [[COPY WITH @]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135609&oldid=135606 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) Category
17:09:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Divmeq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135610&oldid=135339 * TheCanon2 * (+625) Added multiplication.
17:10:45 <esolangs> [[The kids choice awards]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135611&oldid=135592 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+8) Links
17:11:50 <esolangs> [[Amo gus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135612&oldid=135527 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+6) Link
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18:00:47 <esolangs> [[Pi-alpha function]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135613&oldid=135577 * TheCanon2 * (+118) The largest known pi-alpha number is of 3000
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18:32:18 <fizzie> It took a long time.
18:32:30 <fizzie> fungot: How you do feel with double the cores and double the RAM? 
18:32:30 <fungot> fizzie: as i was expecting snark, sarahbot. i like drscheme's logo
18:33:47 <fizzie> (I guess technically that's running inside a qemu-kvm virtual machine with a single core and a fixed amount of RAM. But who knows, maybe it still feels different.)
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18:55:19 <b_jonas> fungot, do there exist telephones where the rotary dial is mirrored from normal, so you rotate it counterclockwise with your finger then the spring rotates them back clockwise?
18:55:20 <fungot> b_jonas: and fnord. since a is a bug in the gnu binutils.
19:41:18 <zzo38> I had a idea of a kind of 24-bit floating point format for use with GURPS Spaceships, with 16-bits main, 6-bits power of ten, 1-bit power of three, and 1-bit sign.
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19:43:16 <b_jonas> zzo38: I have heard of six-byte and seven-byte long floats but not three-byte ones yet
19:43:23 <b_jonas> three-byte integers sure
19:43:37 <b_jonas> but if that's the precision and range that suits you then why not
19:44:46 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=135614 * Ractangle * (+800) Created page with "{{Stub}} '''''' is an esolang that is basicly using belarusian language (which the [[User:Ractangle|creator of the esolang]] don't like) ==Commands==  [] - print command  [] - input command    (name) [(value of the variable)] - assigns a variable  [] - converts a variable to 
19:45:23 <zzo38> Putting the power of three as the low bit of the byte with the exponent and sign, and then the power of ten next and the sign as the high bit, means that you can add the spaceship's size number to this byte and obtain the correct answer for costs and various other numbers used in the GURPS Spaceships system.
19:47:12 <esolangs> [[]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135615&oldid=135614 * Ractangle * (+145) /* A+B Problem */
19:47:35 <b_jonas> what would be the range of this type?
19:50:10 <zzo38> Of course there is necessary to decide the bias for the power of ten. GURPS Spaceships normally goes from size 5 to 15, although sometimes smaller sizes are used, down to 4, and more rarely 3; also you could use much bigger sizes, but I don't konw how big you might need.
19:50:29 <zzo38> A size 15 spaceship has three million tons of loaded mass.
19:50:47 <zzo38> (And, a size 5 spaceship is thirty tons of loaded mass.)
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20:02:03 <zzo38> Some numbers are less, e.g. the acceleration of a lightsail is 0.0001G per system (1 system = 5% of the spaceship's loaded mass; so the mass of a spaceship in systems is always twenty systems regardless of its size number).
20:03:02 <fizzie> Maybe on the southern hemisphere, telephone dials rotate the other way around.
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20:03:29 <zzo38> I don't know much about southern telephones
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20:26:40 <Hooloovoo> I have a channel for that...
20:30:39 <Hooloovoo> fizzie, in New Zealand, the numbers go the wrong way round, but the dial motion is the same
20:30:46 <Hooloovoo> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:New_Zealand_Rotary_Telephone.jpg
20:32:19 <Hooloovoo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_dial#Pulse_rate_and_coding
20:39:59 <Hooloovoo> and in germany they rotated at right angles to normal phones... https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trommelw%C3%A4hler
20:43:24 <esolangs> [[Divmeq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135616&oldid=135488 * TheCanon2 * (+336) Added a A*B problem
20:45:20 <esolangs> [[Divmeq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135617&oldid=135616 * TheCanon2 * (+0) Moved text to the correct section
20:46:26 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Ractangle *  moved [[]] to [[Old Branjunk]]
20:47:32 <esolangs> [[Old Branjunk]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135620&oldid=135618 * Ractangle * (-919) Replaced content with "{{WIP}} '''Old Branjunk'''"
20:47:54 <int-e> Hooloovoo: Sounds like a novelty, see "Vermarktung"; I've never seen one of those
20:48:21 <int-e> (though the latter is not too meaningful)
20:48:26 <Hooloovoo> yeah, it was more or less a novelty. only sold with PBX, and not really popular at that
20:48:36 <Hooloovoo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxBpwQ1YW_c
20:49:13 <esolangs> [[Old Branjunk]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135621&oldid=135620 * Ractangle * (+66) 
20:54:33 <int-e> fungot: why can't wine scale up its "simulated desktop"? (or maybe it can and I just don't know how...)
20:54:33 <fungot> int-e: actually the text " only mooooo can prevent forest fires". :) i agree with graue that the red is too in-your-face to be used
21:02:11 <b_jonas> Hooloovoo: and in Sweden they are cyclically shifted by one so the digit 0 sends only 1 pulse instead of 10. 
21:02:21 <b_jonas> Hooloovoo: thank you for the info
21:04:43 <esolangs> [[Old Branjunk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135622&oldid=135621 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) Category
21:18:49 <int-e> Oh lol. xpra can be abused to accomplish this: https://github.com/kaueraal/run_scaled/blob/master/run_scaled
21:21:14 <int-e> well, almost.
21:51:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Divmeq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=135623&oldid=135610 * TheCanon2 * (+747) /* Operations */ Added squaring
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