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< 1722483125 571642 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the other thing about these weakly-universal machines is they don't necessarily halt, they enter some behavior pattern than can be recognised from outside as halt, the papers talk of a particular kind of r110 glider that will not exist in non-halt states
< 1722483135 828330 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Non-halting 'halt' states is something we have discussed here before.
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< 1722486647 406176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is the computational class of only using logic gates with no memory? Just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vitpEzNgaHU which showed building logic gates in Pokemon, but not memory
< 1722488203 97274 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It depends on your definition; it could be NC⁰ or AC⁰ depending on which gates you allow. There are more exotic possibilities too.
< 1722488440 677008 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: There are a couple possible combinator bases that could be universal aside from inaccessible garbage which doesn't affect the computation, or at least I've been told of the possibility. IIRC, one example is BCIK, which can't forget without W but otherwise still computes stuff.
< 1722488460 85952 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wolfram conjectures that S alone also does this, but I don't think there's any good evidence for it.
< 1722488517 861704 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(To be candid, "Wolfram conjectures P" is, to me, evidence against P.)
< 1722488710 672319 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: funnily enough I was just reading a Wolfram ... related? paper that suggests the bb(5) program itself might be a candidate for being universal, with a conjecture that all all bb(n) (n > 2) are universal
< 1722488834 121848 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: That would be interesting. It would clash with a conjecture of Ligocki that sufficiently-large BB(n) have arbitrarily-large gaps between the champion machine's step count and the runner-up's step count.
< 1722488874 281748 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Basically, Ligocki conjectures that if we add one more state to a TM, then we don't usually get a +1 action to the corresponding BB. We get something that grows much faster.
< 1722488894 180076 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've had thoughts on, and explored the S alone idea, so I know what you are talking about. I felt the bb(n) n>2 conjecture needed a disclaimer, but it was interesting that it pointed to the most likely (5,2) universal machine being bb(5) itself
< 1722488939 453097 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But universal TMs (or any universal emulators) usually don't have spare or degenerate states that could be repurposed for this. So I think that a TM has to either spend its states on being good at BB, or being good at universal, but not both.
< 1722489129 680942 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what you say sounds reasonable, that's what I'd imagine too. The paper wasn't especially convincing, but it's an interesting idea. If you are interested, its https://doi.org/10.25088/ComplexSystems.20.3.265
< 1722489167 480720 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do love putting papers onto my reading list.
< 1722489206 892408 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's definitely that whole "if it behaves weirdly enough, maybe it's TC" Wolfram approach, which can be a bit exhausting to reason about
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< 1722489315 148380 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is this a Turing machine~
< 1722489595 308659 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: Okay, I've watched the video and did some reading. I think the right class is NC⁰, assuming that the game doesn't have some exotic representation for circuits.
< 1722489637 39638 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, it's technically possible that the game encodes a solver for the NP-hard problem of circuit minimization, allowing it to represent circuits that wouldn't otherwise fit in the game... But not likely.
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< 1722489979 818548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo, neat
< 1722489987 143462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also I'm surprised that Google worked on that
< 1722490003 380221 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: No worries! Thanks for sharing the video.
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< 1722492400 639970 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :here's a draft conjecture: No (n, m) Turing machine can be a UTM with a null program of bb(n + x) (x > 0) (otherwise bb(n) would equal bb(n + x)) ... but why, for sufficently large state counts, couldn't you make the null program an arbitrary bb(n+x)?
< 1722492582 851871 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that's definitely possible.
< 1722492689 667072 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't that break bb(n) at some point? Some n will allow arbitrary Turing machines that can run bb(higher n) as null programs
< 1722492996 194324 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I mean, your conjecture sounds good, but also you're right that there could be some BB(n+x) could just happen to be the UTM on empty input.
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< 1722493199 812707 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at some point, with enough states, you'd get to decide exactly what the null program did (I think?). Does this put a limit on choosing the behavior of the null program, or BB(n) becomes infinite after some n?
< 1722493695 954448 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: sorry for missing it when you said, but your Grill Tag significantly changes the curve on that figure, nice work!
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< 1722494273 965756 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : here's a draft conjecture: No (n, m) Turing machine can be a UTM with a null program of bb(n + x) (x > 0) (otherwise bb(n) would equal bb(n + x)) ... but why, for sufficently large state counts, couldn't you make the null program an arbitrary bb(n+x)? ← the busy beaver function is uncomputable, I think you have just produced a proof of that
< 1722494325 847729 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. the reason you can't make the null program calculate bb(n+x) is that you can't make any program do that (without already knowing the value and hardcoding it)
< 1722494364 720694 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, hmm, I may have misinterpreted your notation
< 1722494386 546141 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or just be generally tired
< 1722494550 964778 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I interpreted salpynx to be imagining a sheer coincidence in some astronomical number of states, rather than something engineered for it.
< 1722494890 56014 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"still work to be done to figure out if any of those TMs represent something interesting" => sure, that's basically what writing the human-readable paper means, they want to write each of the no-halt proofs in an as easily understandible way as possible.
< 1722494902 486785 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I'm being confusing, I meant bb(n+x) to represent the _program_ that computes BB(n)
< 1722495072 77765 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh! Hm.
< 1722495085 137825 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, you mean running the programs for inputs other than all zero? then I don't know. and for that you have to also consider the programs that do something boring on all zeroes and so weren't interesting for the BB discussion.
< 1722495115 482927 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(do something boring could mean halting, or not halting because they just seek infinitely to find the next 1 symbol on the tape)
< 1722495166 618256 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking of astronomical coincidences, but at some point I was imagining you could iterate through all meanings of the null program as well
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< 1722495288 433966 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this puts a limit on what you can code the null program to do, an (n,m) UTM would have some limit on how it can initialise its tape to run a different (x,y) Turing machine
< 1722495402 122696 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"i'm guessing there's no reliable way to just convert symbol/states to equivalents" => there is an easy way to convert to fewer symbols (even 2), by representing each symbol with a group of multiple symbols on the tape, and converting each state to multiple states that first read to determine what simulated composite symbol is under your cursor then skip its parts to move the simulated head. it's just 
< 1722495408 131747 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that you won't get any of these record tiny size Turing machines that way. 
< 1722495499 492910 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how you can convert to more symbols in exchange of less states though
< 1722495670 138379 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"if it exists, it's already on https://bbchallenge.org but unrecognised" => why? I expect a small universal machine would either halt or easily provable to never halt on an all-zero tape and so is uninteresting for the challenge, because if you're at the limit of so few symbols and states you can't expect the program to be interesting in two ways, as in being a universal interpreter and doing something 
< 1722495676 139422 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting on zero tape
< 1722495707 622727 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would be like expecting that the earliest video games also have an interesting attract mode when you aren't playing them
< 1722495841 160830 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, korvo already said that
< 1722495876 351180 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: "already on https://bbchallenge.org but unrecognised", I was assuming bbchalenge is effectively enumerating all (5,2) Turing machines, so if there is a (5,2) UTM, its on there.
< 1722495974 807636 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :From the reading I've done (in the last few hours :) ) it seems that, if it exists, the (5,2) UTM is weakly-universal, meaning that it'll be a non-terminating machine, or perhaps the UTM is the BB(5) machine itself (if a Wolframlike conjecture happens to be true)
< 1722496145 946798 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are known (2,4), (3,3), and (6,2) weakly-universal UTMs, so my originally totally uninformed idea that a (5,2) might exist isn't as bad as it could've been.
< 1722496227 585782 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's considerably less likely than I originally imagined, and I'm not even going to bother looking for a strongly universal one now, like I might have tried before reading the paper ais523 shared.
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< 1722496872 992342 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see now how you can't enumerate all possible (n+x, 2) candidates as null program inputs to (n, 2) UTMs, because there are more (n+x, 2) programs than (n, 2) ones, and only a fraction of (n, 2)s can be UTMs...  So there isn't a systematic way to attack this, but you'd potentially cover _some_, and maybe you'd accidentally hit a higher BB...
< 1722497204 628318 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The core of my idea was that some (n, m) non BB winners _will_ be UTMs, and a UTM can run higher BB(n) programs. If a (n, m) UTM's null program happened to be a higher BB(n+x), then BB(n) _would_ equal BB(n+x).
< 1722497362 443138 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :.. maybe that's not too profound, but could mean that there's no special reason why the BB number sequence has to increase, two BB numbers could be identical, or it could drop on n+1?
< 1722497441 40635 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, that sounds a bit cranky. It's definintely counting on astronomical coincidence, if I'm not missing something more basic.
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< 1722497565 583513 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's telling me there is a definite limit on what the null program can be made to do, which feels like a suitable esolang thing to examine
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< 1722498818 918410 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is the non-coincidental version applying to smaller n: At some n, there are sufficiently many (n,2) UTMs that a subset of them will run every (n-x,2) machine as a null program, for some x > 0.
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< 1722504813 858065 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :back of envelope calc: at least (79, 2) TMs must be explored to find every (5, 2) TM as a null input UTM: As many states as it takes bits to describe any and all (5, 2) TMs (60 bits) + at least a (19, 2) strong UTM to interpret it, assuming the UTM can just read a pretty efficiently encoded TM and execute it.
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< 1722509889 720631 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` /hackenv/tmp/hlu # ok, so I succeeded to compile a hello world executable outside of HackEso but targeting it, then download it to HackEso
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< 1722511809 274913 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll leave this here for comment, it's getting late for me too,
< 1722511816 488051 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The mechanism of hitting a higher BB would be: (b, m) UTM combined with an (a, m) halting TM initialiser machine that just happens to compress a BB(a + b + x, m) init state encoded for that UTM. This would create a (a+b, m) UTM that runs a (a+b+x, M) busy beaver as its null program. 
< 1722511829 707907 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I understand that the BB(a + b + x, m) program can't be engineered, it'd have to be discovered, and it's additionally required that its code be generated by an (a, m) halting TM, so there might be data compression limitations. It seems reasonable that BB winners won't be very compressable. The only thing going for this is a large search space, and perhaps not being able to prove it couldn't happen by chance
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< 1722513093 825648 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I must be missing something, if BB(n) can take a shortcut to BB(n+x) by chance, BB(n+1) should be able to take the same one, and so on. 
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> 1722516358 445401 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Normalcalc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134400&oldid=134399 5* 03Itoh Shimon 5* (+103) 10/* Specifications */
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> 1722517485 62606 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Normalcalc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134401&oldid=134400 5* 03Itoh Shimon 5* (+98) 10
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< 1722519907 446618 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently SMBC's recurring supervillain from https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/supervillainy has a name. he's called the Pterrordactyl. I didn't know this because the name rarely appears in strips.
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> 1722522879 289000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ichi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134402&oldid=134298 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+57) 10added to the design section
> 1722523024 976620 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:RainbowDash14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134403 5* 03Xff 5* (+193) 10Created page with "== on [[nope]] hello. your work with my esolang is very good. but there is one error(by me) and that is labels are just commands. jump to nearest  like this:  store 1 1  jl 1 store 1 1"
> 1722523164 180705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:RainbowDash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134404&oldid=134403 5* 03Xff 5* (+175) 10
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> 1722523467 852941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134405&oldid=134360 5* 03Xff 5* (+59) 10
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> 1722524503 532330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Europe204814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134409&oldid=127771 5* 03Europe2048 5* (+8) 10
> 1722525219 944146 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (H-M)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134410&oldid=133676 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+249) 10Added Messenger.
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> 1722527389 649409 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BFFB14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134411&oldid=129597 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+123) 10Categories
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> 1722528518 708180 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()()(())14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134414&oldid=134389 5* 03Xff 5* (-1) 10/* examples */
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> 1722532072 778358 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134416 5* 03Pro465 5* (+72) 10Created page with "{{WIP}}  AEL (An Esoteric Language) is a WIP esolang by [[User:Pro465]]."
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> 1722533085 521443 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:BestCoder14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134421&oldid=131208 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+64) 10
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> 1722535836 119632 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134429&oldid=134425 5* 03Pro465 5* (+224) 10make it less complicated
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< 1722544897 613128 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :A chess variant that my brother had made up and we had together worked to improve some of the rules is this: At the start of the game, each player secretly writes rook, knight, bishop, or pawn.
< 1722544899 338333 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Each player can, once per game, move an opponent's piece of the same kind that you had secretly written, instead of moving one of your own pieces, as though it was the opponent moving it on their turn but you choose where to move it to (and it can capture your own pieces in this way); if you do, then after the move, that piece is now your piece.
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> 1722550376 116491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10blocked [[02User:Unname479810]] with an expiration time of indefinite (autoblock disabled): repeatedly messing with the sandbox instructions, in a way that could confuse new users
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> 1722577070 423265 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134454&oldid=134453 5* 03Pro465 5* (+172) 10add more features
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< 1722587127 620531 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Can you easily do that with just symlinks? https://serverfault.com/questions/638189/make-apache-generate-content-disposition-for-symlinks never got any answer.
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< 1722590783 721582 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the other question, of course, is whether *users* of those links really want that or not.
< 1722590809 276412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because there will be people using them in scripts.
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< 1722597398 790076 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just added Loader's Number. i'll be happy to hear about any size improvements you can make. would be awesome to fit it in a (280 byte) tweet
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> 1722602315 699829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134481&oldid=134480 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+1) 10
> 1722603173 497447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Boolfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134482&oldid=101518 5* 03LillyHStClaire 5* (+505) 10Adds a small summary on how the IO stream works
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> 1722630183 755927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 110]]": a) archiving a page for test edits is inherently useless; b) clearly an attempt to circumvent a block
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< 1722630327 351138 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1722630361 58386 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :re: the "sandbox wars" – I have realised, that under the default principle of "follow Wikipedia's rules except when ours are explicitly different", I should be asking other administrators to do sandbox-related blocks rather than doing them myself
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< 1722630389 66557 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are people OK to let me continue doing this, and/or to take over the blocks themself to make it clear that it isn't just one admin's opinion?
< 1722630401 257854 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am still amazed that something this ridiculous has lead to this much controversy
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< 1722630700 997195 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :asking other moderators works better on bigger wikis which have more moderators that are active
< 1722630720 952797 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Was going to say. I think the problem with that is, all us other nominal admins are useless wretches who never manage to get anything done.
< 1722630804 381482 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I'm happy to at least confirm that I agree with your interpretation of the Sandbox page's intended purpose, and wish people would just stop messing with it. (They're of course welcome to continue their preservation work outside the wiki. Not that I really understand it fully.)
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< 1722631025 735295 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes – although we probably can't interfere with what they're doing offwiki, I think it wouldn't make sense to do so even if we could
> 1722631119 132025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Slashist14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134579&oldid=132864 5* 03Xff 5* (+11) 10/* Cat program */  added code formatting
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< 1722631212 48544 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can we book an arena, buy some weapons, and get them to fight to death? only it's the 21st century so we have to put cameras to their forehead for a nice first person view shots
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> 1722631307 661591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Reflist14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134581 5* 03Ais523 5* (+14) 10a few people have attempted to use this template, presumably in an analogous manner to the template with the same name at Wikipedia: create a template that does the same thing (but with code that's written from scratch and is much simpler)
< 1722631430 156263 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :By the way, do we know if these are Discord people? And/or, is there any cross-pollination between the IRC channel and the (two?) Discord communities? 
< 1722631450 930117 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I seem to have gotten an impression that the two had some sort of a spat.
< 1722631469 548890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :...There are two Discord communities?
> 1722631472 808231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134582&oldid=134561 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10
< 1722631490 282873 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :According to https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal there are.
< 1722631491 348389 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I most esolang here, but everything else I'm mostly on Discord. I've talked on one of the Discords a bit lately
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< 1722631530 669118 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there used to be two, with some sort of dispute about which one was "official" / new users should go to (presumably they both wanted it), but I don't know what happened after that
> 1722631558 372148 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134583&oldid=134559 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10Sort
< 1722631599 862659 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would be helpful if one or more of the regulars here was also a regular in the Discord community/communities, so that we could have some idea of what was going on over there
< 1722631618 699759 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Without an account, Discord apparently shows you user counts; there's 50 users "online" on one, and 218 on the other, which doesn't sound like a definite victory one way or another.
< 1722631643 171507 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if the sandbox thing has anything to do with either Discord group, it just sounds like the sort of thing that could.
< 1722631691 553517 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :by comparison, there are 80 nicknames currently in this channel, which I suspect might be analogous to the Discord user counts
< 1722631702 375993 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. mostly idlers, but people who would notice if you pinged them, plus the occasional bot
< 1722631738 665227 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I get the impression that many of the people messing with the sandbox know each other *somehow* offwiki, e.g. they are doing things with each others' permission but the permission wasn't sought onwiki
< 1722631846 158896 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Discord also shows "member" counts, 152 and 768 respectively, but I don't know if that's more like "has once been there and still has a Discord account and hasn't taken a positive step to disassociate themselves" or something else.)
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> 1722632037 37053 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Or++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134584 5* 03Ais523 5* (+397) 10computational class proof is wrong
> 1722632360 360094 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07( )14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134585 5* 03Xff 5* (+1132) 10Created page with "{{{{wrongtitle|title=[ ] }}  '''[ ] ''' is a very simple and very stupid esolang made by [[User:Yayimhere]] == how it works == [] will swap the chars in and outside the braces.(so [A]B become [B]A. if there is a space before the braces it wi
> 1722632384 155181 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07( )14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134586&oldid=134585 5* 03Xff 5* (+6) 10/* how it works */
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< 1722632783 985419 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I joined these Discord guilds, or at least one of them, though I don't really use them for anything and they'll be among the first I leave when I leave the 200 guild limit
< 1722632812 783715 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm on only one of them I think
< 1722632883 213222 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh: apparently tag systems are TC with only two symbols: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.6700
< 1722632904 147461 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :both of their logos is a trilime, I'm on the one whose logo is a three-colored trilime, the other's logo is a rainbow trilime
< 1722632972 564969 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even better, one of the symbols appears to expand to itself – which may make this good for creating other small universal constructions
< 1722633053 215373 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we should make a fourth version of the trilime (besides these two and the wiki logo) and call it the official logo of this channel
< 1722633065 513022 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? logo
< 1722633066 864807 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`logo
< 1722633068 862457 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :logo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1722633068 892692 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :logo? No such file or directory
< 1722633174 961103 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think IRC channels normally have logos
< 1722633200 406966 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to make one that was three rectangles, somewhat similarly positioned, with colors taken from the original, but it didn't really look good.
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< 1722633257 636127 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the IRC channel's logo could be used as the favicon of logs.esolangs.org, now it's just the regular trilime.
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< 1722633299 531646 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should try to photograph three slices of a lemon 
< 1722633314 700292 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the history of the trilime is great
< 1722633326 280342 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC it was originally a placeholder image, but it fit so well we decided to keep it
< 1722633326 496361 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard JOIN #esolangs drwizard :[https://web.libera.chat] drwizard
< 1722633338 320647 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow! this channel is so much bigger than #cs
< 1722633378 904580 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that why Thue is the featured language forever? it "fits so well"?
< 1722633401 558964 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :where is Thue the featured language?
< 1722633419 787572 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`welcome drwizard
< 1722633421 557796 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :drwizard: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1722633427 338468 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ on that wiki
< 1722633464 156041 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1722633470 987281 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, Thue is mostly just the featured language because it takes a lot of effort to get a page up to a high enough level of quality to feature, and because the featured language process ends up getting very biased if I try to do the whole thing by myself
< 1722633472 817671 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi drwizard, anyway
< 1722633480 734231 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi ais523
< 1722633497 869495 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does the number 523 mean? what's its significance?
< 1722633511 685848 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was originally randomly selected
< 1722633516 5748 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool
< 1722633520 313554 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(by a computer, not by me)
< 1722633527 188269 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :followers of Discordianism apparently find this hilarious
< 1722633531 592997 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :so is this the real place to discuss computer science?
< 1722633544 906647 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :because otherwise #cs is almost dead
< 1722633557 105559 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a way – this place discusses esoteric programming languages, but there is something of an overlap with computer science
< 1722633574 836581 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's also... often not very lively here either.
< 1722633581 516420 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :and #bitwise is active but they seem to focus more on reading complete books
< 1722633582 113722 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is a bias towards dicussing things that aren't practically useful here; we generally assume that there are other places doing the useful things, but maybe there aren't?
< 1722633603 253536 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: interesting. so then I'll ask my CS questions here when I have them. hope that's fine.
< 1722633677 75178 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think CS might be technically offtopic, but a) conversation here doesn't always stay ontopic and b) esolangs run into random areas of CS often enough that it is hard to tell for sure that a CS question is offtopic
< 1722633698 38821 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1722633724 675479 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I'll stick to #bitwise for practical matters and ask questions about more theoretical stuff here
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< 1722633759 991498 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm guessing things theory of computation, complexity classes, decidability, etc. would be ok here?
< 1722633765 36741 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think #esoteric is currently in the state of "it can be idle for ages at a time, but if two people start having a conversation then often others join in"
< 1722633787 266462 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we discuss computational class more often that complexity class, but complexity class does come up from time to time
< 1722633817 287318 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :theory of computation and decidability are very commonly discussed, although the things we apply them to are often pretty weird
< 1722633846 418620 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :discussing computational class vs complexity class... which one does this month's ultra-secret password belong to?
< 1722633849 961308 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :often, when a low-level esolang is designed, one of the most obvious questions is "is this Turing-copmlete"
< 1722633876 712986 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: well, the distinciton is that complexity class is based around how long a computation takes, whereas computational class is based around whether you can do it at all
< 1722633924 567803 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole busy beaver project is based around taking an uncomputable function and trying to compute as much of it as we can – we know that eventually we will get stuck, but don't know where or why
< 1722633946 840700 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, we know why in general terms, but not what the specific issue will be
< 1722634159 571012 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure but that description doesn't apply to complexity classes only because we can't prove that we'll get stuck. if someone guaranteed that some computational problem (like breaking a cryptographical primitive) takes exponential time in its size, we'd still try to solve as much of it as we can and see how big sizes we can still wolve
< 1722634184 267828 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/wolve/solve/
< 1722634208 382906 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are two parts to the busy beaver problem, really: which machines halt, and how long does the slowest take to halt?
< 1722634225 547607 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the former feels like more of a computational class problem, whereas the latter is complexity; but the former is probably more interesting
< 1722634319 974667 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw somehow the youtube content miners found out about the "who can name a bigger number" thing and there's suddenly like half a dozen videos out about it. I haven't try to watch them yet because when a topic is so trendy most of the videos would just make me despair, and I already know where to look for good articles on that topic.
< 1722634333 637998 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the weird part is that one of the videos is by CodeParade
< 1722634362 590759 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(haven't watched that one either yet)
< 1722634381 711720 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know this sometimes happens for some topic, when everyone tries to be the first to cover the same topic 
< 1722634384 745750 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's still weird
< 1722634472 92034 :drwizard!~drwizard@user/drwizard PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: what's the significance of codeparade? is that a popular name or personality?
< 1722634532 774111 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think "in Magic: the Gathering, the furthest distance you can send the opponent's life total below zero, on turn 1, with a Vintage-legal 60-card deck that is incapable of sending it an arbitrarily far distance" is likely to win most biggest-number competitions that don't use a similar construction
< 1722634564 715873 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :people have constructed Ackermann-like functions with the Busy Beaver function as part of it, in that
< 1722634798 140037 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that ... might run into a problem where the M:tG rules aren't clear enough
< 1722634826 647666 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and even besides that I think people have named numbers bigger than that, but of course I can't prove this
< 1722634864 112469 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :drwizard: that I have heard of his youtube channel before these videos appeared
< 1722634884 660012 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: that is possible, I guess
< 1722634902 388814 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is the whole "is it possible to use Shaharazad as a halting oracle?" thing, but Wizards solved the problem by banning it from Vintage
< 1722634908 970787 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ackermann-like functions with the busy beaver function isn't something that didn't occur to the big number people before M:tG
< 1722634951 303258 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Wizards solved the problem by banning it from Vintage" => uh... 
< 1722634962 52306 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also
< 1722634986 779969 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :haven't people already used the M:tG rules about infinite loops as a halting oracle?
< 1722634994 395737 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :without Shahrazad
< 1722635004 830616 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :possibly but I think the consensus among judges I've asked is that they don't work like that
< 1722635018 806295 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in that a loop of actions which never repeats may not be a draw
< 1722635046 454098 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the purpose of Shahrazad would be to replace the draw with something that allows the game to continue, so that a "doesn't halt" result wouldn't immediately cause a halt
< 1722635058 579409 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it can't be just any actions, you have to at least give the players no choice to break the loop
< 1722635082 622374 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yeah, it's possible that the rules don't allow it
< 1722635113 671122 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, none of that should affect how large a number you can name using a modified version of M:tG
< 1722635152 667651 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as long as the rules for the modified version are clear enough
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< 1722635617 699559 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm also not sure if that M:tG number can even reasonably be made well-defined
< 1722635648 350901 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm very much not an expert on the large number thing, I mostly ignored it
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< 1722643480 431787 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: As a Discordian: Yes, it's hilarious. Discordian numerology highlights 5 and 23 (and equations like 5 = 2 + 3), that's all, but they're highlighted for their ubiquity.
< 1722643536 567866 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, 5 is a good default length for certain buffers and caches, it's a good cutoff for individual items vs piles of items, it's a good number of acts for a dramatic play, but it's not magic. I think.
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< 1722643616 807508 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So for a PRNG to tell you that 523 is "random" when its source is somewhere between "trust me i got the good entropy" and "i made it up by decoding the entrails of divine truth" is *extremely* funny, on par with that one part of Illuminatus! where all the Olympian gods are sitting around smoking cannabis.
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