Cable texture. Nothing not nothing. Nothing
> 1725278567 356570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137773&oldid=137770 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+8) 10
< 1725278664 428127 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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> 1725280570 114351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137774&oldid=137773 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+75) 10/* Syntax */
< 1725280593 653320 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:4719:c0b3:8059:79bb JOIN #esolangs * :realname
> 1725280623 28026 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137775&oldid=137759 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+29) 10/* test topic */
> 1725280641 666547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137776&oldid=137775 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+167) 10/* test topic */
< 1725281608 601670 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
> 1725282711 393438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137777&oldid=137766 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+181) 10/* unbrick needed */
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> 1725282794 250536 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137778&oldid=137752 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+210) 10
> 1725283407 59741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Unimplemented14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137779&oldid=137679 5* 03None1 5* (+252) 10
> 1725284272 377566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137780&oldid=132328 5* 03None1 5* (+120) 10/* Related languages */
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> 1725285177 91465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137781&oldid=137694 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10
> 1725285198 992990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turing (Joshop)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137782&oldid=108909 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Page was blanked by the creator
> 1725285243 568014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Atomless set computation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137783&oldid=108747 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/108747|108747]] by [[Special:Contributions/Squidmanescape|Squidmanescape]] ([[User talk:Squidmanescape|talk]])
> 1725285280 557569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BlueBell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137784&oldid=108760 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285298 118827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gino14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137785&oldid=109130 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285314 776562 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfucker++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137786&oldid=108894 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285331 817019 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfucker++/SBFR14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137787&oldid=108895 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285561 587341 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chagz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137788&oldid=124079 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-16) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725285591 211426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Miau14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137789&oldid=110915 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+2) 10Redirectify
> 1725285639 42134 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137790&oldid=137781 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+98) 10
> 1725285659 931838 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BoredKat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137791&oldid=108880 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-20) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725285689 375379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DimensionDoors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137792&oldid=84021 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-22) 10Probably accidentally created
> 1725285726 872520 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy/Converter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137793&oldid=109114 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-22) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285750 638250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gino/Interpreter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137794&oldid=109129 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-22) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285774 781097 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gdlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137795&oldid=130860 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-22) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285893 281132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sequence14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137796&oldid=109374 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-15) 10Replace with template, author may choose to add page in the future
> 1725285982 568223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Sandbox/tr14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137797 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+106) 10Created page with "Is this supposed to exist? --~~~~"
> 1725286032 586204 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Marmite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137798&oldid=112492 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-27) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286151 218505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lim9514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137799&oldid=99617 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-7) 10Probably accidentally created
> 1725286211 189351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Exclamation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137800&oldid=122306 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286220 407081 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07New14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137801&oldid=122307 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286289 234853 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StupidStackLanguage/Examples14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137802&oldid=79822 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-14) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286325 543058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07REG.TYPE = STR TRUE turing completeness14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137803&oldid=131824 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-28) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286349 543674 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C-trice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137804&oldid=108903 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-31) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286365 280189 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FunctionsFTW/FizzBizz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137805&oldid=93699 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-31) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286377 776460 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alexa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137806&oldid=109845 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-31) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286388 587451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Robotic Smiley Face14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137807&oldid=109961 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+1) 10Redirected page to [[Robotic smiley face]]
> 1725286409 399447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137808&oldid=91005 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-34) 10Probably accidentally created
> 1725286475 209280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137809 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+114) 10Created page with "Is this supposed to be a redirect? --~~~~"
> 1725286500 194887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quoi?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137810&oldid=112869 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-36) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286506 985213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quoi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137811&oldid=112868 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-36) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286519 585124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Business Offers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137812&oldid=108901 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-41) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286604 188956 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LambdaStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137813&oldid=101633 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-50) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286749 857586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Disk Drive14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137814&oldid=106434 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-62) 10Redirected page to [[]]
> 1725286806 855415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137815 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+413) 10Created page with "'''BuzzFish''' is a esolang by [[User:Yayimhere]] to demonstrate the problem with [[Looping counter]]s. == the syntax == BuzzFish has 3 commands:  *: print * and a newline  |''x''}: loops x forever   |''x''}=: move the string |x}= to after the = == the problem == the 
> 1725286846 521270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pinecone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137816&oldid=92298 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+23) 10Hopefully someone remembers what this esolang does
< 1725286848 215813 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true right?:
< 1725286848 716471 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/BuzzFish
> 1725286887 710331 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Sleep14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137817 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+97) 10Created page with "Is this esoteric? --~~~~"
> 1725286926 896671 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chaos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137818&oldid=109100 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-14) 10
> 1725286964 464492 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OCDMess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137819&oldid=110035 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-89) 10Can probably be safely deleted
< 1725287127 80055 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:4719:c0b3:8059:79bb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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> 1725287269 408120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137820&oldid=137778 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+250) 10
> 1725287272 568711 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137821&oldid=137337 5* 03None1 5* (+315) 10
> 1725287371 621526 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137822&oldid=124504 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10
> 1725287429 857196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Chagz10]]": apparent test page, has never had useful content
> 1725287519 818509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BoredKat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137823&oldid=137791 5* 03Ais523 5* (+25) 10manual revert back to being a redirect  it is possible there are still links to the old name of the language, and a redirect is more useful than a missing page
> 1725287640 879308 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Sandbox/tr10]]": apparent (very old) attempt to test a template  but it doesn't make sense to keep tests around indefinitely, and normally userspace is a better place for that sort of test
> 1725287664 98594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Talk:Sandbox/tr10]]": delete the talk page, too
< 1725287690 429103 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: can that even do a looping counter? you at least need * and the newline to be separate commands
< 1725287706 974518 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait yea
> 1725287773 963373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137824&oldid=137815 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+40) 10
> 1725287804 795505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User talk:Unname4798/vector.css10]]": Author request
> 1725287823 646473 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137825&oldid=137824 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+69) 10
> 1725287823 937816 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Unname4798/common.js10]]": Author request
< 1725287831 55848 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :done
> 1725287845 985547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Unname4798/vector.css10]]": Author request
> 1725287862 935774 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Unname4798/vector.js10]]": Author request
> 1725287891 986196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137826&oldid=137820 5* 03Ais523 5* (+146) 10/* Unrated */ deleted
> 1725288049 540749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10moved [[02LambdaStack10]] to [[User:Squidmanescape]]: revert accidental move of a userpage to mainspace  temporarily deleting the replacement userpage to do the history merge, I will undelete it once the history merge is finished
> 1725288049 561044 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Squidmanescape10]]": Deleted to make way for move from "[[LambdaStack]]"
> 1725288080 855954 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 restore10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10undeleted "[[02User:Squidmanescape10]]": history merge
< 1725288081 721925 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: now it works right?
> 1725288111 738350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Squidmanescape14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137828&oldid=137827 5* 03Ais523 5* (+2202) 10select the correct revision to be the current revision, after the history merge
> 1725288159 122938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Business Offers10]]": apparent test page, has never had useful content
> 1725288222 35542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quoi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137829&oldid=137811 5* 03Ais523 5* (+19) 10manual revert back to being a redirect  it is possible there are still links to the old name of the language, and a redirect is more useful than a missing page
> 1725288399 464373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PkmnQ14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137830 5* 03Ais523 5* (+814) 10thanks for finding abandoned pages
> 1725288478 855965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Esolang110]]": accidentally created page, all content is also included at [[User:Esolang1]] which is the correct name for the page
> 1725288509 862863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Alexa10]]": abandoned page, has never had useful content
> 1725288541 282701 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02FunctionsFTW/FizzBizz10]]": redirect left behind after a typo was corrected in the page title
> 1725288692 956857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02REG.TYPE = STR TRUE turing completeness10]]": Author request: early draft of a TCness proof that's now superseded by (and redundant to) the proof on the main article, and the author requested deletion
> 1725288759 761552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02StupidStackLanguage:Examples10]]": redirect left behind after the page title was corrected to fit the naming convention
> 1725288866 677263 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Lim9510]]": apparent test page, has never had useful content
< 1725288888 186584 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lots of deletions today
> 1725288907 490735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Marmite10]]": abandoned page, has never had useful content
< 1725288952 891812 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: someone went through blanking all the pages they thought should be deleted
< 1725288963 32841 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they weren't right on all of them, but got quite a lot right, so I went around deleting it properly
< 1725288969 688291 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh kk
< 1725288973 885337 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait also
< 1725288994 825902 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shouldn't the creator be able to delete their pages?
< 1725289008 965031 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it's soon after creation, typically yes
< 1725289012 155554 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you and others dont need to delete it when they blank it
< 1725289016 695069 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it's older it gets more complicated, because pages aren't owned by people
< 1725289027 549145 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725289033 548932 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or like
< 1725289045 315113 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if its something like bf you shouldnt be able to do that
< 1725289045 802561 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if, say, the only description of an esolang is on the wiki but the creator doesn't feel like maintaining it, sometimes they try to delete the page, but then the description would be lost
< 1725289060 184918 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725289082 42650 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so those are controversial, and normally need more than one opinion to delete
< 1725289097 533586 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also true
< 1725289101 737938 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I generally leave the page in whatever state it's in, because that's easiest for me to do
< 1725289113 400055 :bookworms!~bookworms@user/bookworms JOIN #esolangs bookworms :bookworms
< 1725289116 651602 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes sense
< 1725289155 115963 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for BuzzFish, you might as well, e.g., just add a looping counter to HQ9+, it still would be less powerful than a linear-bounded automaton in almost all respects, but it would be able to implement one program the linear-bounded automaton couldn't
< 1725289173 124237 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725289179 15557 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's not *strictly* less powerful
< 1725289191 723323 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also tru
< 1725289194 395290 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*true
> 1725289211 45608 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137831&oldid=137715 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+15) 10
< 1725289220 105516 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's an HQ9+ variant https://esolangs.org/wiki/CHIQRSX9%2B with a command defined as "makes the language Turing-complete" – that's the definition, it doesn't say how
> 1725289226 682695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137832&oldid=137825 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+16) 10
< 1725289260 682729 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there's some debate about what that does to the computational class
< 1725289269 509155 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it could be a run the stack as the memory(idk if dis exists) of a universal tag system
< 1725289283 275407 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example
< 1725289307 554818 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, 18 deletions is a lot (although it's actually only 16 because 2 of them were a history merge, which requires temporarily deleting pages but they get restored afterward)
< 1725289471 970543 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
> 1725289522 360944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02DimensionDoors10]]": accidentally created page, duplicate of [[User:DimensionDoors]] which is the correct name for it
> 1725289522 376360 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Talk:DimensionDoors10]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: accidentally created page, duplicate of [[User:DimensionDoors]] which is the correct name for it
> 1725289592 42217 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gdlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137833&oldid=137795 5* 03Ais523 5* (+20) 10manual revert back to being a redirect  it is possible there are still links to the old name of the language, and a redirect is more useful than a missing page
> 1725289655 373739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Sequence10]]": No content; content was: "{{Stub}}", has never had content other than the stub template or an equivalent
< 1725289685 8420 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut the hell
< 1725289730 313463 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't make any sense to make a page that's marked as a stub but nothing else, but apparently people do it sometimes
< 1725289747 724463 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725289751 478123 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just weird
< 1725289756 281427 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think
< 1725289760 999213 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :personally
< 1725289836 145240 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at Wikipedia there are short letter+number codes for all the common ways people make pages that are either entirely useless or rulebreaking and can be deleted immediately, containing no useful content at all is A3
< 1725289853 639862 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1725289877 249628 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats pre''y smart
< 1725289881 486222 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's mostly to stop people deleting pages unilaterally when there's supposed to be discussion first, if you don't know an appropriate code you can't delete the page (some admins get a bit trigger-happy with the deletes)
< 1725289895 77781 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also gentoo boot menu is TC... for some reason
< 1725289906 769623 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf
< 1725290019 317625 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I once wrote a config file format by starting with it being TC and then placing restrictions on it until it wasn't, which is the other way round from how most people design config file formats
< 1725290034 128002 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe Gentoo's boot menu did it the other way round from me
< 1725290048 411449 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why do you want it to not be TC?
< 1725290064 285703 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because then it isn't really a config file, it's just a program
< 1725290075 19582 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh...lol
< 1725290101 163422 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in particular I was working on a project where people doing similar projects were trying to put too much logic into the config files rather than putting it into the program being configured, where it should be
< 1725290106 66816 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I wanted it to be sub-TC intentionally
< 1725290151 468240 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1725290298 672498 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1725290307 81826 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i would like to see a ocnfig creating esolang
< 1725290309 637773 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*config
< 1725290317 374173 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does that exist?
< 1725290364 675932 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not intentionally designed as one, I think
< 1725290377 854237 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725290380 846715 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but are there any
< 1725290388 970415 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are almost certainly config file formats that turned into accidental esolangs
< 1725290400 462436 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725290422 623571 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then maybe some random config format is the first esolang?
< 1725290496 908246 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe, although early config file formats were very simple
< 1725290510 29146 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah
< 1725290809 925025 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
< 1725290825 561013 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how the hell did conway get into esolangs??(fractan))
< 1725290966 958929 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so Conway seems to have been interested in showing that certain mathematical problems are hard to solve
< 1725290977 280456 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725290991 664549 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are very few ways we know of to prove that solving a problem is hard or impossible
< 1725291014 781187 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most problems that we know to be unsolvable, we know it because we can reduce them to the halting problem
< 1725291030 217825 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :xD why is that so funny to me
< 1725291037 184641 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Conway was trying to show that the Collatz problem was difficult, and did so by showing that generalized Collatz problems were Turing-complete
< 1725291049 890999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and Fractran was an esolang invented for the TCness proof
< 1725291058 186721 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725291065 448271 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea that reminded me of something
< 1725291087 889240 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the esolang comunity(and other mathemtical comunities)
< 1725291103 892391 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is that after a person has made a lot of esolangs
< 1725291122 575055 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they begin using it in their proofs
< 1725291130 459610 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kinda like some of your esolangs
< 1725291135 89118 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk why it happens
< 1725291187 616227 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :many of my esolangs were created for proofs, and often they turn out to be useful in more than one proof
< 1725291215 268601 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725291219 791914 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, "easy to implement esolangs that are TC and are useful for proving things" is one of the main sorts of esolang that I actively look for, it's where a lot of my esolanging effort goes
< 1725291224 597718 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it isn't surprising that I found quite a few of them
< 1725291238 575323 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725291247 523344 :bookworms!~bookworms@user/bookworms QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1725291248 807562 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1725291299 290513 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can sometimes put a huge amount of effort into taking an easy-to-implement TC language (like Cyclic Tag) and trying to make a derivative that's marginally easier to implement, and still TC, but the effort is that often it's a lot harder to prove TCness (like with Acyclic Tag, Grill Tag or Echo Tag, which are cyclic tag with added restrictions that make it easier to implement in some languages)
< 1725291337 452641 :bookworms!~bookworms@user/bookworms JOIN #esolangs bookworms :bookworms
< 1725291337 453019 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname
< 1725291337 458049 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space JOIN #esolangs * :shikhin
< 1725291337 458090 :jix!~jix@user/jix JOIN #esolangs jix :Jannis Harder
< 1725291400 983680 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1725291493 37954 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Waterfall Model and Spiral Rise seem to be my best discoveries in terms of being TC yet easy to implement in esolangs and other low-powered languages
< 1725291496 503240 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ais523: do you think it would be possible to construct a computational model(or comp class) that matches not's power
< 1725291530 637194 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW "i would like to see a ocnfig creating esolang" => I think there was one of those. IIRC it wasn't just turing-complete but had full access to C-level userspace, and used a syntax where commands were made of an opcode byte plus usually two register names, and I think the registers were named of the 52 ascii letters and maybe more but
< 1725291531 137464 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :partitioned to like 6 groups with fixed type traditional fortran style
< 1725291540 219704 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm probably misremembering most of this
< 1725291566 595595 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hey, here it is => https://esolangs.org/wiki/Scrip7
< 1725291568 262017 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725291584 862391 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one thing I noticed is that Not is almost a subset of Underload: it has (1) * : S (¶)S (in Underload syntax), plus an infinite loop which is expressible in Underload but isn't a simple command
< 1725291588 904430 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just had to search https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?search=configuration+floating&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go
< 1725291602 457298 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725291665 306611 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"the first version of the idea had seven registers in all 8 forms, and the author forgot that the alphabet has 26 letters, not 28"
< 1725291688 919052 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :xD
< 1725291696 781563 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :x]
< 1725291717 480824 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I think Not's computational class can be described like this: you have a counter that grows by a fixed amount at every iteration, and can output fixed strings of 1 and can also output the counter, but can't do anything else
< 1725291736 386236 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725291743 880919 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats not tc for sure
< 1725291744 372810 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: that makes me think that the esolang should just have added two more letters, œ and æ perhaps
< 1725291754 270266 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1725291760 961686 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean æ and ø
< 1725291775 975436 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :those are less symmetrical but easier to type
< 1725291793 688930 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725291804 231277 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mistype stuff with these so often loæ
< 1725291806 169644 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*lol
< 1725291867 15242 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: in the current form one of the code pointer (as in Script7 code, not C code) typed variables, named G, is the instruction pointer, the so the nice symmetry of 7 general purpose registers in each type would be broken again
< 1725291906 794014 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :œ and æ are the same???? right???
< 1725291912 109548 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also Script7 basically just *removed* the letters g h G H
< 1725291916 874970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, one is a mix of an o and an e, the other is a mix of an a and an e
< 1725291934 161188 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they look so simileair
< 1725291947 749327 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :æ used to be used in some older English words, but nowadays is normally typed as "ae" or just "e"; œ is used in French
< 1725291962 482645 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in danish
< 1725291968 35692 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and norwegain
< 1725291973 802905 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and maybe swedish(idk)
< 1725291983 537146 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, swedish does not have æ
< 1725291999 275474 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kk
< 1725292009 388433 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :icelandic uses æ though
< 1725292018 915635 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725292023 987725 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz denmark has it
< 1725292036 711213 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we just f'ing do that to people ig
< 1725292100 402969 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :juts like denmark used to have norway
< 1725292245 663287 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
> 1725292638 934890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137834&oldid=137790 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+82) 10
< 1725292659 348983 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^^ progress has been made on the comp class
> 1725292798 798198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137835&oldid=137834 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+68) 10
< 1725293051 187862 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would you expect dis esolangs comp class to be?
< 1725293144 304446 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure – my guess is that it's TC but it isn't obvious and I don't have a proof
< 1725293153 908403 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725293155 547157 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :same here
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> 1725293340 999591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Instructistuctisurcticitstucrit14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137836 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+774) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}}instructistuctisurcticitstucrit is a language where you have to code in one program to code in another etc. to finally get to [[brainfuck]]. == how it works == code a [[befunge program]]  read the stack:  ...987654321  where 1 is
> 1725293355 234919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Instructistuctisurcticitstucrit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137837&oldid=137836 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+0) 10
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< 1725294177 290270 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wonder
< 1725294182 263649 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tho
< 1725294185 845478 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what it could be
< 1725294190 681462 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmm
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< 1725294856 896937 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey also ais523 can you understand rectangle now?
< 1725294958 530837 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I understand it a bit better
< 1725294969 913460 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay
< 1725294975 117403 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::D
< 1725294982 680481 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't really thought about how to program in it, though
< 1725294991 480901 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725294995 223678 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also
< 1725295025 599911 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a question about Is It Art?. would it be possible to construct a program that always accepts input
< 1725295071 14664 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think so, one simple way is to have all the pieces rectangular and all having letters that represent input on them
< 1725295088 323908 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it isn't I/O complete because if input X maps to output Y, then input XX maps to output YY
< 1725295106 541715 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, you could just dedicated some symbol to "end of input" to work around that
< 1725295125 975399 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* dedicate
< 1725295126 954932 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool
< 1725295150 38664 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :could we maybe tro to create that program??
< 1725295247 234659 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or...
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< 1725295671 829294 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :offtopia/offtopian
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> 1725295990 442509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/befunge scripts14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137838 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+346) 10Created page with "unincluding the [[user:tommyaweosmalt|one i made on my alt]]:  == hello world! ==                  v   v"hello world!"<  @,,,,,,<   >,,,,,^ == program that ends itself with no @ in sight ==  88*60p  == fizzbuzz (looks like cherries) ==    &
< 1725296245 81659 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just got a f'ing stupid idea
< 1725296258 340093 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for a esolang
< 1725296470 818307 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can i get feedback?
< 1725296540 766064 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: My intention was to use a small keyboard not much bigger than a telephone keypad, although I am not sure which orientation will be best. (I also did not think lowercase will be needed for the use of this kind of keyboard, and that it is not intended for when you have a full keyboard available but for when you use a small keyboad without too many keys.)
< 1725296583 639787 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: sure
< 1725296592 748773 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx!
< 1725296595 492831 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the idea was
< 1725296636 694748 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that whats the program does is it modifies itself
< 1725296642 220331 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and not like emmental
< 1725296659 539110 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like it modifies the WAY its compiler works
< 1725296698 51026 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are a lot of self-modifying languages on the wiki already, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Self-modifying – you could look at some of those for inspiration or to see if your idea's already been done
< 1725296711 712048 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it just fro goes into the compiler and just modifies the code
< 1725296721 559117 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not thta kind of self modifying
< 1725296728 460097 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, 319, I don't have all of those memorised (yet, or probably ever)
< 1725296746 738225 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that there are probably some that replace the interpreter already
< 1725296753 881820 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725296757 257979 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :editing it rather than replacing it is a bit rarer, though
< 1725296768 850543 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i dont mean something like: make dis command do dis code
< 1725296773 495619 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like in emmental
< 1725296786 550395 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean that it actually modifies the code that inteprets the program
< 1725296823 37990 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the problem with that is, if you are just editing the interpreter rather than just outright replacing it, you would need to specify what language the interpreter is written in, to be able to edit it
< 1725296834 611201 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725296846 504745 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe you could do *two layer* interpretation
< 1725296866 47677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, there is the potential problem that the program might edit the interpreter to just do everything on its own without even looking at the program
< 1725296880 314613 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725296883 804860 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you'd effectively be programming in the outer language rather than in the esolang
< 1725296891 888215 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1725296897 518547 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it coul prop be made better
< 1725296962 10489 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if like the memory was the intepreter
< 1725296971 223511 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1725297009 448596 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe what you want is an esoteric programming style in an existing language
< 1725297026 489871 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :?wut?
< 1725297026 501942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unknown command, try @list
< 1725297033 914386 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sentence made no sense to me
< 1725297047 853177 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, imagine a Python library that just alters bytes in memory directly, and only the bytes that correspond to the Python interpreter's memory image
< 1725297065 466473 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and all the language can do is "set byte X to value Y"
< 1725297072 427110 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725297081 336761 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where dis idea comes from is from 90
< 1725297084 365708 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think it might be uninteresting because people would just write a small machine code program that did all the work itself
< 1725297100 162306 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :90 works around the problem by not letting you add code, you can only delete it
< 1725297113 442992 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would be cool
< 1725297116 298386 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WAIT IDEA
< 1725297117 848401 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if
< 1725297122 469849 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the esolang is its own CPU
< 1725297132 863417 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then the bytes wont have the prblem of the computer
< 1725297143 161946 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then what is running the program?
< 1725297144 54930 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it woudlnt have the problem 90
< 1725297164 580957 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: and itepret which in intepreting the cpu which is interpeting the esolang
< 1725297204 865706 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so does the esolang change the CPU?
< 1725297213 934881 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725297218 598980 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik im insane
< 1725297224 179379 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or more precisly
< 1725297230 642310 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it modifies the cpus compiler for it
< 1725297236 262756 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow dis is confusing
< 1725297266 881999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I have used the tools that are used to compile CPUs (rather than compiling software) – placing all the transistors and the like is very hard by hand, so computers are used to do it
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< 1725297279 349631 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but they're generally closed-source and awkward to use, with bad interfaces
< 1725297295 724640 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725297298 323982 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also
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< 1725297314 997251 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idc about how computationally possible it is
< 1725297322 695005 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like if its hard to compile or whatever
< 1725297325 192741 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idc:)
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> 1725298193 925235 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFizz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137844&oldid=137718 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+22) 10Category
< 1725298300 683456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I guess the obvious LBA task that BuzzFizz cannot accomplish without tweaking the input is reading a sequence of numbers in {1,2} and output them in reverse.
< 1725298391 47038 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The standard organization can be made from some common conventions (e.g. RFC 2119) as well as uncommon conventions. Furthermore, they should be made 100% public domain They should be made in a way that can use a simple protocol and simple file (e.g. plain ASCII files) since otherwise it is difficult to access the file that you cannot know without reading the specification first.
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< 1725298469 509594 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are several of "small web protocols" (I made a document which a list of them and some brief descriptions). If you need virtual hosting, then Nightfall Express won't do, and Gopher without TLS also won't do. Gopher with TLS has a problem due to how the gopher menu is made, but you could use a DNS record to specify that TLS is required if you do not have version 6 internet.
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< 1725298571 193786 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it possibly can if it takes them as digits of a single number? although that program seems like a pain to write
< 1725298571 630727 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it a good idea tho?
< 1725298596 663547 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it would take too much effort to do well, and wouldn't really want to see it done badly
< 1725298617 673570 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :awwwww
< 1725298625 9450 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1725298688 735425 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if they had considered using DNS records to avoid that problem of using gopher with TLS.
< 1725298823 627119 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah that'll work... encode your input using only non-zero digits in a suitable base; do the same for the output (you can set aside a dedicated counter for accumulating the output). Also, yes, painful.
< 1725298840 986645 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: for making the cpu i could just uselike idk assembly
< 1725298845 243080 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*use like
< 1725298938 209462 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The DNS record can also specify that TLS is available but is not required even with version 4 internet, in case you do not need virtual hosting.)
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< 1725300885 39854 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I have seen gopher servers that require version 6 internet (I think it is the gopher server for INTERCAL), and I don't know if this might be why.)
< 1725300889 783169 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Do you know?)
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< 1725302084 194489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The server may not have an IPv4 address. They often cost extra these days.
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< 1725302301 414672 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :They did have a HTTP server with a version 4 address though.
< 1725302816 238156 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It could be the lack of name-based virtual hosting (HTTP has a Host: header after version 1.1 I think?; Gopher doesn't have anything like that). Or there could be a 
< 1725302827 838409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Err... Or there could be no technical reason at all.
< 1725303137 117616 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, maybe there is no reason and they just did it, although lack of virtual hosting is also what I had mentioned; however, virtual hosting will be possible with TLS.
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< 1725303631 592827 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :But with version 6 internet, I would expect that they will have enough addresses that name-based virtual hosting will not be needed, I think.
< 1725303742 447296 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, protocols with virtual hosting can also be set up with servers with version 4 internet that can be forwarded to the appropriate version 6 addresses. In some cases TLS will be required for doing this but sometimes it can be done without TLS (although gopher isn't one of them).
< 1725303757 192111 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I think two things you'll want to decide about the keyboard is (1) the typical largest set of fingers that users are expected to type on it, eg. on a qwerty keyboard you can use all fingers on both hands; on typical small mobile phone keypads you use just one finger; on some small keypads you'd use two thumbs; some calculators you can use with either one thumb when handheld, or one finger each 
< 1725303763 221593 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :from one hand if you put the calculator down onto a desk; 
< 1725303961 52737 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(2) and how it processes the keydown and keyup events: for a normal keyboard you usually only care about keydown of non-modifier keys, and the up or down status of modifiers at the moment when the non-modifier is pressed, you ignore keyups of non-modifier keys and ignore the up/down status of modifiers at all other times; a mobile phone keypad usually only cares about keydowns and only when no other key 
< 1725303967 59355 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is pressed, you then have to release all keys simultaneously before you can press a new key, this is a good way to ignore the effects of most accidental fat fingerings; while I think a stegano keyboard allows you to press the keys in a chord in any order, and goes to the next syllable when you release all the normal keys
< 1725303988 929760 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course (2) can be decided in software in any case.
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< 1725304588 979325 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, that is valid to consider. For (2), I did think to do that all keys must be released before it is worked and another keys can be entered, but I did not consider (1).
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