00:00:52 <ais523> in a way I am disappointed by just how good The Waterfall Model is at TCness-proving non-reversible counter machines, or anything that can be made to act as one; it has reduced the effort needed to produce that sort of proof down to typically a couple of minutes
00:01:00 <int-e> I still think it's accidental because otherwise that restriction could be expressed in a much clearer fashion.
00:01:42 <int-e> but it's not certain :)
00:02:13 <ais523> the control flow is so absurdly simple, each counter is tested in only once place in the program and the order doesn't matter, you could even do it simultaneously
00:03:09 <int-e> I'd implement a Minsky machine, which can also be done directly.
00:03:14 <ais523> Flooding Waterfall Model was a major challenge but at least that one isn't a pure counter machine, the counters act differently depending on their histories (and the hard part was finding a way to make them act predictably, once I'd done that the regular Waterfall Model could easily serve as a TCness proof for the resulting language)
00:03:24 <ais523> int-e: how do you implement the instruction pointer?
00:03:34 <int-e> one cell per state
00:03:45 <int-e> that's either 0 or 1
00:03:56 <ais523> a one-hot instruction pointer, I should remember that trick more often
00:04:19 <int-e> which incidentally shows that you don't need the else branches either
00:04:51 <ais523> the TWM proof doesn't need the else branches either (or alternatively, doesn't need the if branches), because all the changes made inside an if statement are reversible
00:05:21 <ais523> I think that's obviously inherent in any Sloopy program that doesn't nest ifs, and less obviously inherent even in Sloopy programs that do
00:05:36 <int-e> Sorry, I'm sure this works out but I did get a bit ahead of myself because I didn't actually consider the test of the counter :) (yeah it'll work).
00:06:14 <ais523> worst case you just go The Amnesiac From Minsk, which basically captures the restriction of "each counter can only be tested in one place in the program"
00:06:51 <ais523> I used to use TAFM for TCness proofs a lot, but TWM is simpler and also has the properties that make TAFM good for proofs, whilst having a few of its own
00:07:42 <ais523> (I used TAFM to originally "bootstrap" the TCness proof for TWM, because I had to use something that was proved TC without using TWM along the way)
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00:08:59 <ais523> actually I feel like a lot of my TCness research has been looking at the tradeoffs between how complex the data storage is and how complex the control flow is
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00:09:38 <ais523> as you suggested with your one-hot instruction pointer, usually it's possible to simplify the control flow by storing more data
00:10:54 <int-e> yeah I guess things get interesting if you limit the number of cells as we do with Minsky machines
00:14:51 <int-e> Hmm, how many counters do you need for TC-ness in TWM?
00:15:13 <ais523> The Waterfall Model programs golfed down to use a minimal number of counters can be beautiful, most of the counters end up being used as both value storage and control flow at different times in the program execution
00:15:35 <ais523> minimum known is 6 readable counters + 1 halt counter
00:15:59 <ais523> (obviously the halt counter only matters if you want strong Turing-completeness, i.e. halting when and only when the emulated program halts)
00:16:57 <ais523> there is an explicit compiler from https://esolangs.org/wiki/Spiral_Rise to that number of counters, although it's never actually been tested
00:18:50 <int-e> so there's a chance that reducing from a 2-counter Minsky machine is actually better.
00:20:17 <ais523> in terms of tape cells used? that wouldn't surprise me because Sloopy's control flow is pretty powerful, except for not having loops beyond the outer loop
00:20:58 <int-e> 3 cells should easily suffice if you allow nested ifs.
00:21:13 <ais523> the basic problem there is that 2-counter Minsky machines tend to naturally use a lot of small loops to do multiplications and divisions
00:21:30 <ais523> so you would probably want one cell as a numerical instruction pointer
00:21:30 <int-e> maybe 4 is enough if you don't have nesting.
00:23:07 <ais523> oh, 3 is easy even without nesting: have a numerical instruction pointer where each instruction simply specifies which of the counters to increment or decrement and what the next instruction is, but space out the numbers used (e.g. 0, 10, 20, 30, 40) – then do a test on counter 1 that adds 1 to the instruction if it's nonzero, a test on counter 2 that adds 2 to to the instruction if it's nonzero, and unconditionally add 1
00:24:03 <ais523> the unconditional add of 1 means that the value left in the instruction pointer after running an instruction won't collide with any valid instruction values
00:24:33 <ais523> this is pretty similar to how Esimpl works, although different enough to feel like a different language
00:24:52 <int-e> oh yeah that works
00:25:27 <int-e> maybe we can even do that without else branches?
00:25:52 <int-e> I suppose so because most things are easily reversible
00:25:53 <ais523> I don't think the else branches in Sloopy actually do anything, especially without nesting
00:26:22 <ais523> you just do the else branch unconditionally afterwards, and cancel it out at the end of the if branch
00:27:05 <ais523> actually maybe they do do something if you have nesting, but they definitely don't if you don't
00:28:15 <int-e> well, the else branch is *convenient* because it only executes for one specific value of a cell (namely 0)
00:28:28 <ais523> yes, it makes programs more readable
00:28:44 <ais523> in a way Sloopy feels like it would be more elegant with only the else branches, no ifs
00:29:20 <ais523> (Perl calls that an "unless" statement, although it allows "unless … else" presumably to avoid adding a special case into the parser)
00:30:16 * ais523 thinks about an esoteric control flow construct that has only the "then" and "else" cases, and works out the value of the test based on which of them runs successfully
00:30:20 <int-e> but yeah, (/foo) translates to (-foo/)foo where -foo reverses foo
00:30:36 <ais523> and (bar/foo) to (bar-foo)/foo
00:30:56 <int-e> misplaced / but yeah
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00:32:55 <int-e> So that leaves the question of doing this with 2 cells. Which enables consistent Collatz?
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00:34:08 <ais523> I'm not sure you can even do consistent Collatz, how do you remember which of the cells is being multiplied onto the other? I guess you could use a wrapping tape that's 2 cells long
00:34:17 <int-e> Oh I can't copy the value back, right.
00:34:17 <ais523> and use the position of the tape pointer
00:34:41 <ais523> although even then, the modulus would probably have to be a square number
00:34:53 <ais523> err, not the modulus, the ratio
00:37:22 <int-e> But yeah I didn't want a wrapping tape, so scratch that thought.
00:37:28 <ais523> ah, no, it doesn't because you can test on both sides of the copy
00:38:36 <ais523> if the tape has only two writable cells, but a lot more that are stuck at 0, it's still possible to use the tape pointer position to store state, but that feels like cheating in a way
00:41:26 <ais523> I have realised that consistent Collatz is capable of embedding a sort of state machine (you store the state machine in the low bits and the consistent-Collatz behaviour happens in the high bits)
00:42:14 <ais523> which somewhat increases the chance that it's TC
00:42:44 <int-e> right, you have gcd(m,r) states of that sort
00:43:29 <int-e> (using variable names from https://wiki.bbchallenge.org/wiki/Consistent_Collatz )
00:43:42 <ais523> what you basically end up with is a finite state machine + a PRNG with infinite amounts of state, but the finite state machine can mix state into the PRNG
00:43:52 <int-e> (just on the off chance that there's another source)
00:44:07 <ais523> well, the source I wrote is going to be the one I'm most familiar with :-)
00:45:03 <int-e> It would be so funny if somebody managed to find a TC fragment of the original Collatz sequence.
00:45:41 <ais523> in the sense that you could somehow encode a program into it such that the sequence reached its usual loop only if the program halted?
00:45:52 <int-e> Funny and amazing.
00:46:14 <int-e> Because that PRNG component feels pretty wild.
00:47:48 <int-e> ais523: or maybe any loop whatsoever
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00:52:35 <int-e> (I am sometimes entertaining the idea that Collatz' conjecture could be false. But the only way I see to establish that would be to find a second loop and I'm sure smarter people have tried that with significant computing power already.)
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00:53:06 <nitrix> That's usually what they do yeah, they try to prove it false rather than prove it true.
00:57:28 <ais523> there has been quite a lot of research into the fractional portions of (1½)**n, but the results are pretty miniml
00:58:31 <ais523> and this is very related to the Hydra sequence (which is basically the same, but you truncate the fractional portion before every multiplication by 1½)
01:21:38 <b_jonas> "hmm you can't nest if-then-else in Sloopy" => wait, really? because then my reduction doesn't work
01:22:09 <ais523> b_jonas: I think you were intended to be able to nest them but int-e thinks the spec is misworded
01:22:43 <b_jonas> it's still Turing-Complete anyway so it's not a big deal
01:23:26 <b_jonas> and it's not much harder to prove either
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01:24:14 <b_jonas> I'm not sure, maybe it is harder to prove
01:25:16 <b_jonas> no, it's still fine, you can use pluses to add the next state to the tape symbol of the next position of the head, and code the states and symbols so that their sums are unique
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01:29:18 <ais523> we've already come up with a few proofs, but mostly by treating it as a counter machine
01:29:22 <b_jonas> and for testing the value, you use (-/a0 +^n)(-/a1 +^(n-1))(-/a2 +^(n-2)) ... (-/a(n-1) +)(-/an) where ak is the action for when the value of the cell was k, and each branch has enough pluses that the next if branches don't trigger but the minuses leave the counter zero at the end
01:37:12 <b_jonas> "The Waterfall Model … has reduced the effort needed to produce [… Turing-completeness] proof" => we'll still have to try to make the proof for Imprecision TC first. does TWM help with that?
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02:13:17 <ais523> b_jonas: not obviously, Imprecision is stuck in the "figure out how to read arbitrary amounts of data" stage
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09:33:49 <esolangs> [[!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141180 * Ractangle * (+89) Created page with "'''!''' is an esolang based [[!Romanian]] which is possibly based on [[!English]]"
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09:42:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141192 * PrySigneToFry * (+72) /* Suggested commands by PSTF */ new section
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09:45:18 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141194&oldid=141193 * Ractangle * (+39) /* Hello, world! */
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10:18:38 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141199 * PkmnQ * (+3762) Created page with "== Booleans == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Constant !! Code |- | <code>False</code> || <code>__doc__.__bool__()</code> |- | <code>True</code> || <code>__doc__.__eq__(__doc__)</code> |} == Integers == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Constant !! Code |- | <code>-2
10:18:42 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141200&oldid=122655 * PkmnQ * (+166) /* Constants */
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10:22:45 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/None1 again]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141202 * None1 * (+3048) Created page with "[[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again3]] is not crazy enough, so let's be crazier! 1. Take that shit: <pre> Palm mieJody park ten xic Jane monoing AreSlov..."
10:23:01 <esolangs> [[Bake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141203&oldid=140764 * Ractangle * (+5)
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10:24:22 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/None1 again]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141205&oldid=141202 * None1 * (+1510)
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10:34:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141209&oldid=141154 * Ractangle * (+193) /* How does it move between cells */
10:36:52 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck/Esointerpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141210&oldid=136868 * None1 * (+4) /* Wenyan interpreters */
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10:45:24 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (M-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141214&oldid=132725 * None1 * (+1795) /* WARP */
10:45:33 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (M-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141215&oldid=141214 * None1 * (-1) /* Wenyan = */
10:46:01 <esolangs> [[Wenyan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141216&oldid=141004 * None1 * (+1776) /* Code Samples */
10:47:15 <esolangs> [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141217&oldid=141007 * None1 * (+37) /* Main table */
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11:13:52 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141220&oldid=141199 * None1 * (+685) /* Lowercase letters */ Finish most of the items
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11:25:19 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141224&oldid=141223 * None1 * (+119) /* Lowercase letters */ Phew, finished!
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11:28:24 <esolangs> [[AH'TALIQUAE ENGLISH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141230&oldid=141136 * PrySigneToFry * (+19)
11:31:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141231 * None1 * (+1204) Created page with "==<code>j</code> and <code>y</code>== You might be curious why the constants for <code>j</code> and <code>y</code> work, in fact, they come from the docs for str and __builtins__. str.__doc__: str(ob'''j'''ect=<nowiki>''</nowiki>) -> str str(byte
11:35:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141232&oldid=141231 * None1 * (+6)
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12:05:12 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141235&oldid=141169 * Ractangle * (-5) /* Esolangs */
12:10:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141236&oldid=141232 * PkmnQ * (+321)
12:18:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141237&oldid=141236 * PkmnQ * (-19) Shorter backup j
12:23:39 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141238&oldid=141228 * PkmnQ * (-418) /* Lowercase letters */ Shorter letters
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12:45:12 <esolangs> [[Soh supplementary private use area-b u+10fffe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141240&oldid=130153 * YetAnotherAccount * (+55) me when i spread misinformation on the internet:
12:45:20 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141241&oldid=141238 * PkmnQ * (+362) /* Lowercase letters */ More docstrings
12:46:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141242&oldid=141239 * PkmnQ * (+271) /* j and y */
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13:29:17 <esolangs> [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141244&oldid=141217 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+960) Updated Deadfish links
13:36:05 <esolangs> [[JSFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141245&oldid=140196 * YetAnotherAccount * (+2) /* Description */ only creates the function, doesn't run it
13:37:37 <esolangs> [[Kak-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141246&oldid=93246 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-16)
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14:15:27 <esolangs> [[Anti-Machine language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141248&oldid=125970 * YetAnotherAccount * (-26) there's already a bunch of interpreters
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14:21:21 <esolangs> [[Beta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141250&oldid=120435 * YetAnotherAccount * (+1) dude what
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14:23:32 <esolangs> [[SIMPLE (the other one)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141252&oldid=122328 * Ractangle * (-13) /* Interpeter */
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14:45:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:16 bytes :P]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141258 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+17) Created page with " print(input());#"
14:46:30 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141259&oldid=133073 * Ractangle * (-30) /* Adding numbers */
14:46:43 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141260&oldid=141259 * Ractangle * (+2) /* A+B Problem */
14:49:22 <esolangs> [[User talk:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141261&oldid=131453 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+120)
14:49:50 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141262&oldid=141260 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Instructions */
14:50:00 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141263&oldid=141256 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+15) /* 15 */
14:50:20 <esolangs> [[55]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141264 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+18) Redirected page to [[5#15]]
14:50:37 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141265&oldid=141262 * Ractangle * (-11) /* Instructions */
14:50:59 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141266&oldid=141265 * Ractangle * (-10) /* Instructions */
14:53:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Calligulan Assembly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141267&oldid=86413 * Pro465 * (+115) /* A question */ answer
14:56:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Ractangle * uploaded "[[File:The dark reader at home.jpg]]"
14:57:07 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141269&oldid=141235 * Ractangle * (+149)
15:00:23 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141270&oldid=141195 * Ractangle * (+47)
15:00:56 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141271&oldid=141270 * Ractangle * (+27) /* Hello, world! */
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15:06:10 <esolangs> [[Python But WORST]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141273&oldid=135489 * PrySigneToFry * (+22)
15:08:54 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141274&oldid=141266 * Ractangle * (+60) /* A+B Problem */
15:11:19 <esolangs> [[Works in progress]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141275&oldid=141072 * Ractangle * (+10)
15:11:40 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141276&oldid=141274 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+10) /* Instructions */
15:12:51 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141277&oldid=141218 * Ractangle * (-6) /* Interpriter */
15:14:12 <esolangs> [[Bite bytes]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141278 * Tommyaweosme * (+885) Created page with "{{lowercase}}bite bytes is a esolang that can interpret n byte programs easily. == commands == p? - prints ? (or variable if b) q?! - prints ? (or variable if b) shifted by ! ascii characters a? - saves to variable i - saves input to variable b - reference v
15:16:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141279&oldid=140833 * Tommyaweosme * (+78)
15:16:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141280&oldid=141279 * Tommyaweosme * (+5) /* grade wikipedia (translated to unname4798: -100000) */
15:19:40 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141281&oldid=141081 * Tommyaweosme * (+109) all of these people ''thanked'' ais523. with NO redeeming qualities found yet
15:21:45 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141282&oldid=141281 * Tommyaweosme * (+27) WHAT KIND OF HORRID MALICE IS MAKING A PAGE THAT JUST LEADS TO WIKIPEDIA?!??!?!?!!?
15:21:55 <impomatic> The Core War Tournament Weekend will be held at the Retro Computer Festival in Cambridge, UK, on 9-10 November. https://corewar.co.uk/tournamentweekend2024.htm
15:23:31 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141283&oldid=141282 * Tommyaweosme * (+29) ANOTHER ANTI-RESTORATION EVILIST
15:23:38 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141284&oldid=141277 * Ractangle * (+139) /* Interpriter */
15:24:27 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141285&oldid=141284 * Ractangle * (+43) /* Commands */
15:27:46 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141286&oldid=141283 * Tommyaweosme * (+34) he deleted wikipedian propoganda off of esowiki, which is good, but then asked for the creator to positively contribute to wikipedia?!?!?!?!?! this is complete neutral behavior, these acts cancel out eachother.
15:28:06 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141287&oldid=141286 * Tommyaweosme * (+19)
15:32:08 <esolangs> [[(ch34t) c0d3]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141288 * Xff * (+1139) Created page with "'''(ch34t) c0d3''' is an esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its 2d and has only 4 commands. kinda? well see concept. the commands are: >v ^< which are code pointer arrows which changes its direction. its starts going left in lower right corner. memory is a stack
15:32:32 <esolangs> [[Tenglish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141289 * Tommyaweosme * (+232) Created page with "{{lowercase}}tenglish is [[user:tommyaweosme|tommyaweosme]] english as a kinda programming language. == commands == see a library of commands at [[tenglish/commands]] == examples == see a library of examples at [[tenglish/examples]]"
15:32:50 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/examples]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141290 * Tommyaweosme * (+35) Created page with "''this page is not being made yet''"
15:33:08 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/commands]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141291 * Tommyaweosme * (+43) Created page with "''this is placeholder for soon-to-be-page''"
15:35:40 <esolangs> [[(ch34t) c0d3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141292&oldid=141288 * Xff * (+202) /* commands */
15:38:28 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/commands]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141293&oldid=141291 * Tommyaweosme * (+504)
15:39:08 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/operations]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141294 * Tommyaweosme * (+76) Created page with " add subtract multiply divide concat factorial modulo round round to nearest"
15:39:42 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141295&oldid=141287 * Tommyaweosme * (+29) very good content yay
15:43:58 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/commands]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141296&oldid=141293 * Tommyaweosme * (+14)
15:44:08 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/operations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141297&oldid=141294 * Tommyaweosme * (+14)
15:48:01 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141298&oldid=140972 * Xff * (+19) /* esolangs */
16:00:54 <esolangs> [[Pointstack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141299&oldid=137466 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1060) Added Turing-completenees proof
16:01:50 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141300&oldid=140091 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+16) /* Turing-completness Proofs */ added Pointstack
16:05:53 <PCWWWWW> feedback plz: https://esolangs.org/wiki/P%E2%86%92P%27
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16:58:32 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/esolangs in ten words or less]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141301 * Tommyaweosme * (+734) Created page with " [[slashalash|///]] - if regex were turing complete: [[!English]], [[^English]], [[tenglish]], [[english]], etc. - cheating [[asciidots]] - befunge+wireworld [[brainfuck]] - this language is fun ++++[>no wait its not-<]>.
17:05:09 <esolangs> [[Llec]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141302&oldid=118934 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+802) /* Examples */
17:12:24 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141303&oldid=141241 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Category
17:24:14 <esolangs> [[Tenglish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141304&oldid=141289 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+69) Categories
17:24:33 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/operations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141305&oldid=141297 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+19) Back
17:25:02 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/operations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141306&oldid=141305 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Lowercase
17:25:10 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/examples]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141307&oldid=141290 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+19) Back
17:25:24 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/examples]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141308&oldid=141307 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+14) Lowercase
17:28:19 <esolangs> [[(ch34t) c0d3]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141309&oldid=141292 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+174) Categories
17:33:30 <esolangs> [[Bite bytes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141310&oldid=141278 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+178) Links, categories
17:35:46 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141311&oldid=141280 * Ractangle * (+220) /* I have the same born year with you. */
17:36:11 <esolangs> [[A Language Programmed While Listening to Godspeed You! Black Emperor]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141312&oldid=141243 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Commands */ n
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17:52:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141313&oldid=141103 * Unname4798 * (+29) create the worst grade possible, just like how [[User:tommyaweosme]] did
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18:23:48 <esolangs> [[2KWLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141314&oldid=140537 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+213) /* Infinite looping counter */ Fix
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18:35:00 <esolangs> [[Brainpocalypse II]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141315&oldid=134110 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+101) /* External resources */
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20:30:10 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141316&oldid=141271 * Ractangle * (-2) /* Syntax */
20:31:21 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141317&oldid=141316 * Ractangle * (+44)
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20:33:06 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141318&oldid=141317 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Syntax */
20:36:58 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141319&oldid=141318 * Ractangle * (+156) /* Hello, world! */
20:37:34 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141320&oldid=141319 * Ractangle * (+34) /* Syntax */
20:39:00 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141321&oldid=141320 * Ractangle * (+35) /* Syntax */
20:39:29 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141322&oldid=141321 * Ractangle * (+5) /* Truth-machine */
20:40:42 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141323&oldid=141322 * Ractangle * (+1) You can put variables outside the code block
20:41:14 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141324&oldid=141323 * Ractangle * (+6) /* Hello, world! */
20:41:24 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141325&oldid=141324 * Ractangle * (+5) /* Truth-machine */
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20:42:42 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141326&oldid=141325 * Ractangle * (+32)
20:44:13 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141327&oldid=141326 * Ractangle * (+81) /* Truth-machine */
20:44:39 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141328&oldid=141327 * Ractangle * (-2) /* Truth-machine */
20:45:50 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141329&oldid=138281 * Ractangle * (+82) /* !@#$%^&*()_+ */
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20:52:33 <esolangs> [[2KWLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141330&oldid=141314 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+249) /* Finite looping counter */ Fix
20:56:58 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141331&oldid=141328 * Ractangle * (+277) /* Examples */
20:57:17 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141332&oldid=141331 * Ractangle * (+11) /* A+B Problem */
20:58:39 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141333&oldid=139860 * Ractangle * (+153) /* Implementations */
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21:08:34 <esolangs> [[Empty Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141334&oldid=138406 * Ractangle * (+84) /* Brainfuck */
21:16:03 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141335&oldid=141332 * Ractangle * (+0) /* A+B Problem */
21:16:24 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141336&oldid=141333 * Ractangle * (+1) /* ! */
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22:34:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141337&oldid=141120 * Ais523 * (+417) /* is this cheating??? */ if you use data from outside the program it isn't really a quine unless you print that too
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23:13:24 <esolangs> [[Empty Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141338&oldid=141334 * None1 * (+40) /* Brainfuck */
23:37:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_add * Ais523 * Ais523 added prefix "bbchallenge" (https://wiki.bbchallenge.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) to the interwiki table: as a wiki concerned primarily with Turing machines, it covers similar topics to this one and interwiki links between the two are likely