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01:11:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Evil]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142694 * PkmnQ * (+315) Created page with "Does <code>zuueeueeeeycyiq</code> output "w" or "ww"? The linked interpreter outputs "w" (or at least, based only on a glance at the code it looks like it should, I haven't actually ran it), but is this the same between all interpreters? --~~~~"
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02:30:20 <esolangs> [[1quad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142695&oldid=142668 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+18) Category
03:14:50 <esolangs> [[Match]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142696&oldid=142687 * Japi * (+864)
03:33:15 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142697&oldid=142693 * PkmnQ * (+0) -_-
03:35:40 <zzo38> I had idea making up a key/value database format (although it is intended for read only). A directory contains a 8-bit record length, 16-bit number of records, and that many records.
03:36:28 <zzo38> Each record contains 8-bit key length, key data, one byte with the high and low nybbles indicating how many bytes are needed to encode the offset of the subdirectory and the value.
03:37:02 <zzo38> A directory is not allowed to contain a key that is a prefix of another key in the directory, and all keys must be in order. If a prefix of the key that you want is found, you will look in the subdirectory for the rest of the key.
03:37:30 <zzo38> Do you like this? Do you have comment/complaints about this?
03:38:58 <esolangs> [[PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142698&oldid=128367 * PrySigneToFry * (+109) Removed redirect to [[User:PrySigneToFry]]
03:39:46 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang/Operators]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142699&oldid=142270 * PrySigneToFry * (-10)
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03:54:05 <esolangs> [[FH]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142701 * PrySigneToFry * (+472) Created page with "FH is an Esolang designed by PSTF. == Command Table == {| class="wikitable" |+ Command Table |- ! CMD !! Meaning |} That means all characters are ignored. == Examples == === Do nothing === p === Do nothing 2 === iiiio === Quine === == See also == [[APLWSI]] == C
03:54:51 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142702&oldid=142628 * PrySigneToFry * (+42)
04:00:28 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142703&oldid=142697 * MihaiEso * (+18)
04:02:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:PrySigneToFry-complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142704&oldid=142269 * PrySigneToFry * (+374) /* C++ is PrySigneToFry-complete */ new section
04:03:13 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142705&oldid=142703 * MihaiEso * (+93)
04:04:20 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142706&oldid=142705 * MihaiEso * (+162)
04:06:16 <esolangs> [[Plushie-complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142707&oldid=142582 * PrySigneToFry * (+57)
04:07:32 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142708&oldid=142706 * PkmnQ * (+7) -_-
04:10:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cinnamony]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142709&oldid=117117 * PrySigneToFry * (+854) /* A+B Problem in */ new section
05:00:33 <esolangs> [[Match]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142710&oldid=142696 * Japi * (+594) /* Basic Features */
05:01:23 <esolangs> [[Match]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142711&oldid=142710 * Japi * (-43) /* Includes */
05:02:09 <esolangs> [[Match]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142712&oldid=142711 * Japi * (-2) /* Includes */
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05:18:27 <esolangs> [[User:PkmnQ]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142715 * PrySigneToFry * (+39) Created page with "This is an ordinary user named "PkmnQ"."
05:25:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142716&oldid=140959 * PrySigneToFry * (+77)
05:28:20 <esolangs> [[!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142717 * PrySigneToFry * (+399) Created page with "! is designed by PSTF, and it is tottally and directly derivatived from [[]] and [[^English]]. == Syntax == Programs must be written in Korean and must be strictly followed by their grammar. == Examples == Wait for a minute. == Categories == [[Category:Languages]] [[C
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05:32:12 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142719&oldid=142717 * MihaiEso * (+17)
05:34:35 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142720&oldid=142716 * MihaiEso * (+108)
05:35:38 <esolangs> [[!/Examples]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142721 * PrySigneToFry * (+1375) Created page with "Main page: [[!]] == Hello, world! == " !" . == G+N problem == . == Fizzbuzz == <pre> 1 1000 . . 3=0 "Fizz" . 5 = 0 "Buzz" ...."
05:36:50 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142722&oldid=142671 * PrySigneToFry * (+17)
05:40:39 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142723&oldid=142719 * PrySigneToFry * (+5)
05:50:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142724&oldid=142254 * PrySigneToFry * (+656) /* Check out my Esolang! */ new section
05:55:03 <esolangs> [[!/Examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142725&oldid=142721 * PrySigneToFry * (+12)
05:56:18 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142726&oldid=142549 * PrySigneToFry * (+73)
05:56:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142727&oldid=142726 * PrySigneToFry * (-73) Unifont
05:58:17 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142728&oldid=142643 * Iddi01 * (+17) Alright, i'll remove it entirely
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06:05:27 <esolangs> [[PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142730&oldid=142729 * Ractangle * (+108)
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06:17:13 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142732&oldid=142722 * Gggfr * (+12) /* Non-alphabetic */
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06:34:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142734&oldid=142733 * PrySigneToFry * (+17)
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06:40:55 <esolangs> [[Hashell]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142736 * Gggfr * (+198) Created page with "'''hashell''' is a version of haskell thats hall to use. it is a very minimal haskell subset == the subset == hashell permits only these chars: <code>=>\[]().:-?</code> which are executed in haskell"
06:55:11 <esolangs> [[PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142737&oldid=142730 * DifferentDance8 * (-140) Mainspace pages that act as redirects to user pages have been deleted on this wiki before, not sure why this one should be an exception
07:11:47 <esolangs> [[Execode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142738&oldid=142615 * Iddi01 * (+2397) Add techniques
07:13:14 <esolangs> [[Execode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142739&oldid=142738 * Iddi01 * (+0)
07:15:53 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01/Execode proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142740&oldid=142641 * Iddi01 * (+90) Changed this to match revised documentation
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09:43:10 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Superkiko * New user account
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10:50:37 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142742&oldid=142741 * Superkiko * (+88)
10:57:41 <fizzie> On the topic of the repo web browser, from what I can tell from the logs, it automatically shut itself down after being idle for 30 minutes (somewhat surprising: there's usually some traffic from bots), and there's something wrong with the systemd socket activation, possibly to do with paths (it mentions about updating a "legacy directory" /var/run/... to /run/...).
11:38:51 <esolangs> [[Fromage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142743&oldid=91446 * Superkiko * (+823)
11:40:18 <esolangs> [[Fromage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142744&oldid=142743 * Superkiko * (-1) /* Cat program! */
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11:50:11 <wib_jonas> on the plus side, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo is working now. however, https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/ and https://hack.esolangs.org/get/ still don't work, and the chat log display just died.
11:53:39 <fizzie> You win some, you lose some.
11:54:16 <esolangs> [[Brain-Flk]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142745 * None1 * (+1211) Created page with "{{distinguish/Confusion|Brain-Flak}} '''Brain-Flk''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]] and derived from [[Brain-Flak]]. It uses Chinese characters as commands. ==Commands== Brain-Flak uses 4 left brackets and 4 right brackets, but User:None1 realized that right
11:54:49 <fizzie> The /tmp paths do work for files: https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/pd.c for example.
11:55:16 <fizzie> I don't remember if it used to do a directory listing for plain /tmp/ or not.
11:56:13 <fizzie> (The /get and /edit thing I know was borked by the upgrade.)
11:56:26 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142746&oldid=142732 * None1 * (+18) /* B */
11:57:44 <esolangs> [[Fromage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142747&oldid=142744 * Superkiko * (-7) /* See also */
11:58:29 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142748&oldid=141719 * None1 * (+65) /* My Esolangs */
11:59:05 <fizzie> As for logs, disabled the stalker mode websocket again, so it'll probably stay up now, but eventually I should get to the bottom of that.
12:02:02 <esolangs> [[Brain-Flk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142749&oldid=142745 * None1 * (+0) for some reason pypinyin detects to have both 1st tone and 4th tone pronounciation
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12:05:55 <esolangs> [[Brain-Flk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142750&oldid=142749 * None1 * (-5) /* Commands */
12:09:41 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142751&oldid=142708 * Ais523 * (-280) rv vandalism
12:11:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:!MORE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142752 * Yourusername * (+38) Created page with "yeah add suggestions == Suggestions =="
12:11:41 <esolangs> [[Fromage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142753&oldid=142747 * Superkiko * (+71) /* Examples */
12:16:54 <esolangs> [[Brain-Flk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142754&oldid=142750 * None1 * (+499) /* Examples */
12:22:43 <wib_jonas> ok. tmp working is good, because that means I can download medium amounts of data without having to write it to version control. `fetch was working the last time I tested, but that was over two months ago.
12:30:39 <wib_jonas> that was back when I tested how I could compile a native code executable elsewhere and run it on HackEso. I was successful using C and C++, but there seems to be no easy way with rust code, since that's dependent on a large standard library that's not installed on HackEso.
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13:29:12 <esolangs> [[Disord]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142756 * Iddi01 * (+2810) This language is named disord, not discord!
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13:33:05 <esolangs> [[Disord]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142757&oldid=142756 * Ais523 * (+82) link to what actually happened, not to the page (especially as links to pages outside the main namespace should leave the prefix visible), also expand on what the issue was
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14:27:21 <ais523> I hate that `mkdir` doesn't tab-complete the name of the directory you're creating
14:27:28 <ais523> (I understand why it can't, but it's still annoying)
14:28:46 <fizzie> I'm sure you could fix that with an LLM integration in `/etc/bash_completion.d`.
14:29:56 <ais523> wib_jonas: doesn't that do the opposite of what I want?
14:30:28 <ais523> fizzie's suggestion is a bit more sensible, although I imagine the LLM would take longer to run than it'd take me to just type the new directory's name (and it'd be unlikely to guess what I was thinking in any case)
14:31:05 <ais523> oh! that reminds me: does anyone have ideas on the most efficient way to write to a file backwards (assuming you know the length of the file you're creating)?
14:31:48 <ais523> my current plan involves mmap
14:32:24 <ais523> although, there doesn't seem to be an madvise option for "I am going to write to this memory in reverse order"
14:34:15 <wib_jonas> ais523: I don't think so. bash has this programmable completion feature wherein some startup scripts try to teach bash what kind of argument every possible command expects, and tab-expand only those arguments. In my experience with debian, this is basically always either worse than or equal to the old default non-programmable completion, where bash
14:34:15 <wib_jonas> knows only of its syntax, and is willing to tab-expand a filename almost everywhere. That's why I recommend { shopt -u progcomp; } to disable all the programmable nonsense.
14:34:52 <ais523> oh, I find the programmable completion useful, there are definitely cases where it's usefully completed things for me that nonprogrammable completion couldn't
14:35:06 <wib_jonas> If you disable progcomp then bash will try to tab-complete the argument of mkdir to existing filenames in that directory, and you may want one of those and then edit it before you create it
14:35:20 <ais523> the tab-completion for scp is a little weird in concept, and can take a couple of seconds, but nonetheless still useful
14:35:52 <ais523> completing subcommand names for things like git is more useful
14:36:28 <ais523> generally, though, I don't create directories with names similar to their siblings
14:36:57 <wib_jonas> I see. Though even if there were a few cases where I found it useful, I'd probably disable all the lots of progcomp scripts that debian prefers to load, and load only the few that I need, because I still find that they hurt tab completion too often.
14:37:27 <wib_jonas> Hmm, what do you want it to tab complete to? Names of cousins?
14:37:31 <ais523> occasionally something unexpectedly doesn't tab-complete and that warns me that I made a syntax error earlier on the line
14:37:57 <ais523> cousins would be more useful for the way that I make directories, although wouldn't have helped in this case
14:38:33 <ais523> given that I'd spent quite a while trying to figure out the perfect name for the directory, as I hadn't created one like it before, at least not with a name I was happy with
14:39:00 <wib_jonas> Though recently I have seen one case where bash tab completion decided to not complete to filenames even though I wanted a filename: it's on a line after I write c=( to set an array variable
14:40:53 <ais523> wow, I'm so out of practice at C I accidentally wrote «#include <stdin.h>»
14:43:08 <wib_jonas> yeah, sometimes I do that kind of thing when I switch between languages.
14:55:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trampolines]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142758 * Aadenboy * (+0) creating discussion page to (maybe) get interest from others!
14:57:40 <esolangs> [[Delta Relay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142759&oldid=142530 * Ais523 * (-287) remove a paragraph that is no longer necessary, now that the page has been restructured, + some rewording
15:02:29 <ais523> huh, there's a dprintf command
15:02:45 <ais523> (like fprintf but for file descriptors)
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15:24:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142761&oldid=142718 * MihaiEso * (+149) /* I'm on Funcode! */
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15:39:15 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142763&oldid=142587 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-19) /* Table version */
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16:01:42 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142765&oldid=142764 * Ais523 * (-22) Reverted edit by [[Special:Contributions/MihaiEso|MihaiEso]] ([[User talk:MihaiEso|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Ais523|Ais523]]
16:10:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142766&oldid=142200 * Ais523 * (+430) /* Warsides */ new section
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17:50:03 <fizzie> Huh, hadn't realized they'd adopted two more levels of SI prefixes, for 10^±27 (ronna, ronto) and 10^±30 (quetta, quecto).
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17:56:40 <b_jonas> they did, yes. not many people are using them, but you can expect a decade or more of lag in that.
17:57:04 <b_jonas> and yes, one of them is called ronna
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18:13:11 <b_jonas> now we just need a prefix for the multiplier 1 that you can use for clarification or emphasis where the audience might assume a different prefix; then perhaps a good way to apply decimal prefixes before units where the first factor is on a nontrivial power, like m³, and perhaps a suffix unit that means 1 to mark dimensionless quantities with for emphasis.
18:13:21 <fizzie> https://www.bipm.org/en/cgpm-2022/resolution-3 "considering -- the needs of data science in the near future to express quantities of digital information using orders of magnitude in excess of 10^24 --"
18:14:52 * FireFly . o O ( do that make them robibytes and quebibytes? )
18:17:53 <b_jonas> even Google won't have that much hard disk capacity
18:19:07 <int-e> you get some extra orders of magnitude if you look at data transfers
18:21:17 <b_jonas> let's hope it'll prevent at least one pop-sci article from writing numbers in an unreadable way like "2400000000000000000000000000" (no separators) or "0.9999999999999999999999974"
18:28:43 <zzo38> There are also some older prefixes such as "myria-", which perhaps should be used for AM radio although it is uncommon (some older radios will use myriahertz but are rarely called that).
18:29:13 <zzo38> Hectograms and decimetres can be used when measuring the mass and size of pokemon using integers.
18:34:40 <zzo38> It is also my opinion that although SI prefixes can be used with SI units, such a combination should not be abbreviated in the usual way of abbreviating SI prefixes and the normal abbreviation for the unit. Some such combinations have their own abbreviation (e.g. a milliinch is often called "mil" or "thou"), but otherwise they should not be abbreviated at all (don't use such units if you require abbreviation).
18:36:16 <zzo38> Simimlarly, "micron" should not be abbreviated by the mu by itself but instead by mu and m, since it is the same as the micrometre.
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21:12:55 <ais523> <b_jonas> now we just need a prefix for the multiplier 1 that you can use for clarification or emphasis where the audience might assume a different prefix ← is that inspired by the whole calorie/kilocalorie thing?
21:16:27 <ais523> zzo38: in electronics it is common for things that are evenly spaced to be spaced at a distance of 2.54mm – I have never had an actual good name for that, but generally think of it as a "deci-inch"
21:16:53 <ais523> although, I imagine it isn't used as much nowadays as it used to be because it is rare to assemble circuit boards by hand nowadays
21:19:20 <ais523> ("deci-inch" seems to need the hyphen; I guess "deciïnch" might work)
21:23:34 <b_jonas> ais523: no, not by the calorie thing
21:24:30 <ais523> (does the calorie thing affect Hungary too? or is it just the UK?)
21:26:35 <b_jonas> I don't think it's just the UK.
21:28:21 <zzo38> Yes, I think "deciinch" or "deci-inch" is a reasonable name for 2.54mm (I think the hyphen is not really necessary)
21:28:53 <ais523> Chinese has the word 个 which acts in many ways like a unit for dimensionless things
21:29:28 <ais523> e.g. 一个人 means "one person", the unit is mandatory (if you wrote 一人 it would mean "the first person")
21:30:27 <ais523> but it can't be used for quite everything that would otherwise be lacking units, there are specific alternative words that you need to use in some cases (that I don't know because I know only a very minimal amount of Chinese)
21:31:30 <ais523> (also the 个 spelling seems to be specific to Simplified Chinese, there is a more complicated version in Traditional Chinese)
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21:56:23 <b_jonas> ais523: to be honest I found it kind of surprising when I learned many years ago that esperanto numeral words don't use a shared prefix when they're used as cardinal qualifiers in noun phrases, they just end in random letters. like, why are numerals treated specially rather than like words in normal word classes (adjective or noun or adverb depending on how you're using it) with possibly some
21:56:29 <b_jonas> specialized suffixes that applied only to them?
21:57:24 <b_jonas> apparently if you add an -a (which is normally the adjective suffix) then they count as ordinal numerals
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