< 1729296007 269646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh that *is* visible. < 1729296019 374030 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just because nobody was doing anything to the logs at the time. < 1729296053 117309 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, this was me catching up all the way back to the freenode debacle < 1729296074 601639 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The logs are also a lot cheaper to serve than the wiki is, in terms of CPU.) < 1729296163 128306 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: see the paste link above for something closely related *and* tested :) < 1729296254 524919 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a queue automaton might actually be easier for brainfuck... you can consume characters from the front of a string and append new ones at the end, so there's way less shifting. but this system also has way more rules < 1729296485 392780 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: it would've been less visible if I had gone for the monthly logs. but I like `grep` actually spitting out dates from the file names :) < 1729296667 176396 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :too bad the old paste links no longer work, like https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2018-12-28.html#lVb (this may be my fault; I have this habit of selecting 90d for expiration with few exceptions) < 1729298230 529562 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Did you try Bee Magic? < 1729298567 398951 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Oh wow. Thanks. < 1729298837 873838 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1729301881 487807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: Hmm, I had not tried it. Cute. < 1729301935 426495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And no, I have not finished it.) < 1729301946 489290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(In case it came across that way.) > 1729303819 513435 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070 Bits, 0 Bytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143803&oldid=143792 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+16) 10In some sense they can be considered the same language? < 1729304332 240873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: oh noes, I finished it once and... < 1729304780 681901 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Yep. < 1729304913 779795 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1729306133 646000 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh, that is cute. > 1729311115 547928 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Replay14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=143804 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+20) 10Created page with "This page is a stub." > 1729311475 461498 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Replay14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143805&oldid=143804 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+1941) 10Initial Description > 1729311581 133006 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Replay14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143806&oldid=143805 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+80) 10indenting code > 1729311716 570463 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Replay14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143807&oldid=143806 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+11) 10re-formatting > 1729311791 126721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AndrewBayly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143808&oldid=143574 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+136) 10added Replay > 1729311880 684486 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Replay14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143809&oldid=143807 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+24) 10added category "Languages" < 1729312046 321739 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1729314115 538173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm hooked on Mancala (Kalah) > 1729317427 602209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143810&oldid=143092 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+134) 10/* */ new section < 1729317488 47004 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1729318058 651742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:PokBattle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143811&oldid=134607 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+612) 10/* Some pseudo code */ < 1729318255 143249 :earend1!uid657395@user/utoneq JOIN #esolangs zut :zut > 1729318277 482451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143812&oldid=143367 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+0) 10 > 1729318452 863092 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Basilisk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143813&oldid=143599 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+4) 10Fixed header file because the megac++.h is not built-in. < 1729319992 957422 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1729321055 349811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Execode/Original implementation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143814&oldid=142342 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+5377) 10Add interpreter for [[Exechars]] > 1729321060 536466 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Exechars14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=143815 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+8354) 10*article modified from [[Execode]]* > 1729321582 266163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Exechars14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143816&oldid=143815 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+1) 10As expected, i have forgotten something and need to fix it > 1729323276 381661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Iddi0114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143817&oldid=143388 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+422) 10Add [[Exechars]], and attempt to make others feel good about my esolangs < 1729323480 884929 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1729323491 113334 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1729323519 562789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Basilisk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143818&oldid=143813 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+766) 10 < 1729323572 625860 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1729323734 358270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Execode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143819&oldid=143598 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+31) 10/* See also */ Add [[Exechars]] < 1729324228 738470 :Ae!Ae@linux.touz.org QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1729324362 483481 :Ae!~Ae@linux.touz.org JOIN #esolangs * :Ae > 1729324641 524191 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (D-G)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143820&oldid=142647 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+393) 10...but mostly to fix something weird > 1729325379 424259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143821&oldid=142450 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+314) 10 < 1729325453 482981 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729328096 813604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1729331636 764880 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.114.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT : < 1729331802 360679 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1729331831 431660 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.114.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1729332527 411432 :earend1!uid657395@user/utoneq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1729336158 773328 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143822&oldid=143778 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+151) 10 > 1729336530 858722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143823&oldid=143822 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+295) 10 > 1729336572 360715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143824&oldid=143823 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+0) 10 < 1729337420 875064 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1729338042 584117 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143825&oldid=143824 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+4) 10 < 1729338093 724180 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1729338565 31668 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143826&oldid=143825 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+379) 10 > 1729338908 81573 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143827&oldid=143826 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+65) 10 > 1729339068 498661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143828&oldid=143827 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+15) 10 > 1729340448 361153 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143829&oldid=143828 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+0) 10 > 1729340698 65204 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpret Esolangs Online14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143830&oldid=143278 5* 03None1 5* (-2) 10/* External Resources */ I confirmed that the vercel page works! < 1729340709 966902 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1729343107 939549 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1729343153 634929 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's an Underload interpreter in BF, I haven't checked to see if it potentially needs bignums for big programs, but if it doesn't that should prove TCness (because Underload was proven TC starting from SK combinator calculus, rather than from BF) < 1729343227 583098 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plz what do you think of my theory of burn(WIP): https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Yayimhere/Sandbox (sorry for asking but you didnt seem to see it) < 1729343246 751631 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't fit the information that I already released about the language < 1729343326 102127 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it dont? wait wut. what information < 1729343340 829933 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :see the list at the bottom of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Burn < 1729343424 366285 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont see the problem < 1729343455 683075 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729343458 932380 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, your example seems to be based on single digits rather htan pairs < 1729343486 564253 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea. idk > 1729343499 966759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143831&oldid=143754 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-554) 10/* Burn */ < 1729343546 662300 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"It was possible for the difference in one colour channel to affect what happened in the other colour channel." is the main hint that disallows that < 1729343794 481212 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also multiple compilers to brainfuck > 1729343821 899089 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PokBattle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143832&oldid=134531 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+469) 10Simple example added > 1729343850 198751 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PokBattle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143833&oldid=143832 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+3) 10 < 1729343883 187351 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there's a lot written about brainfuck constructions on the internet, > 1729343913 855216 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PokBattle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143834&oldid=143833 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+8) 10 < 1729343981 524002 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most importantly you can use a periodic pattern of the tape cells where you alternate cells from multiple tapes in a cycle, and keep track of the head position modulo the number of channels everywhere in the program. you only get one head, but you can burn full channels for nothing but a single 1 among all 0s to mark a position of an extra head to simulate an extra tape. < 1729344036 529568 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's kind of ugly and I certainly wouldn't want to work with brainfuck, but people have actually written multiple working compilers to it < 1729344523 893503 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to get gcc to generate brainfuck, once < 1729344535 232530 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was using a period-6 periodic pattern < 1729344564 859958 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't fully succeed, I managed something interesting but don't think I got as far as any working programs < 1729346330 554300 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729346621 254524 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1729346668 545663 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PythOwO14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143835&oldid=143559 5* 03RaiseAfloppaFan3925 5* (+592) 10 > 1729348211 157645 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143836&oldid=143767 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+664) 10/* Translated ! */ new section > 1729348598 914465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143837&oldid=143768 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+183) 10 > 1729348643 709468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PIX14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143838&oldid=140797 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (+30) 10I am pretty sure this is a Markup Language > 1729348688 686410 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143839&oldid=143837 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+98) 10 > 1729348718 869184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143840&oldid=143829 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+16) 10 < 1729348979 736151 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I need one more star... it looks impossible. > 1729348990 398666 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143841&oldid=143839 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+70) 10 > 1729349889 557863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GlyphCode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=143842 5* 03CodePhantom 5* (+1454) 10Created page with "= GlyphCode = == Overview == GlyphCode is an esoteric programming language that uses an array of unique glyphs to perform operations. The complexity of the glyphs makes deciphering the code a challenge, ensuring a mind-bending coding experience. == Basic Command > 1729350618 295827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GimmickLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=143843 5* 03CodePhantom 5* (+1009) 10Created page with "= GimmickLang = == Overview == GimmickLang is an esoteric programming language where keywords double as variables, and commands are enclosed in curly braces `{}`. Additionally, loops have a 50% chance of sending the program back to the start, making it unpredic > 1729350686 430678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02OCBscriptOCBCCBCCB10]] to [[PL]] > 1729351284 139723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143846&oldid=143844 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1057) 10 > 1729351331 192461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143847&oldid=143375 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-62) 10/* Esolangs */ < 1729351380 356381 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729351550 414130 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.114.182 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1729351553 925842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: orrf pna'g ernq; orrf pna'g syvc fjvguprf... jung tbbq ner gurl? > 1729351601 838524 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143848&oldid=143522 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-36) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ > 1729351619 416399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143849&oldid=143821 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-299) 10/* (script()) */ < 1729351675 865585 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's a spoiler if you haven't found 10 spells (counting the cancel one from the trophy room)) < 1729352120 788186 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And that's still not the end of it. < 1729352516 769053 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1729353240 931809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Overload14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=143850 5* 03B jonas 5* (+197) 10Created page with "Not to be confused with [https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09.html#lF3c the Overload language that is Underload's precursor]. ~~~~" < 1729353426 650825 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ken Iverson died twenty years ago today. We have to thank him for a prompt introduction of computers in education to high school level. He made an interpreter that allowed rapid experiments, so people could get quicker feedback on a terminal than the then typical slower cycle of compiling and running a Fortran program. In some way he contributed to the addictiveness and instant gratification of the < 1729353433 75415 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :modern internet. < 1729353478 493282 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ken Iverson (1920–2004) rest in peace, we will always remember < 1729356481 987316 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1729358231 785167 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143851&oldid=143846 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10Categories < 1729358684 627780 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729360050 300298 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729360665 349880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1729360913 139072 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1729361863 860850 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PkmnQ/Alternate Universe Underload14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=143852 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+1005) 10Created page with "{{WIP}} This is an exploration of what would change if [[Underload]] had its ~ command was replaced with a different command, which will be represented with -. == Command == ; - : (''x'') > 1729362715 956431 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143853&oldid=143851 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+64) 10/* Examples */ > 1729364014 416815 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143854&oldid=143802 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+55) 10/* Instructions */ > 1729364067 560165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PkmnQ/Alternate Universe Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143855&oldid=143852 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+557) 10 < 1729365055 725881 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729365303 308055 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1729366601 910331 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143856&oldid=143840 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+310) 10 > 1729366669 303815 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143857&oldid=143856 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+4) 10 > 1729368983 902210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143858&oldid=143853 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-8) 10 > 1729369054 648901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143859&oldid=143763 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-47) 10 < 1729369309 953376 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.114.182 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1729369464 896689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload/Turing-completeness proof14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=143860 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+984) 10Created page with "This is a proof that [[Overload]] is [[Turing complete]] by ~~~~. This works by showing that a [[Turing complete]] language can be compiled to Overload. == The Turing-complete languag > 1729369480 518441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload/Turing-completeness proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143861&oldid=143860 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-186) 10 > 1729369493 344061 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143862&oldid=142881 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+14) 10 > 1729369523 317944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143863&oldid=143854 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+74) 10/* Categories */ > 1729369531 122638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143864&oldid=143863 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+0) 10/* Categories */ > 1729369631 526889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143865&oldid=143864 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+1) 10/* Cat program (halts) */ > 1729369645 815730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143866&oldid=143865 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+13) 10/* Instructions */ > 1729369770 866925 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143867&oldid=143866 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+221) 10 > 1729370065 443107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143868&oldid=143867 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+405) 10/* Minimization */ > 1729370106 946760 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143869&oldid=143868 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+28) 10/* Categories */ < 1729371081 494024 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Hmm, they seem very useful to me! < 1729371100 751464 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :One more star in what context? < 1729371126 705983 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: your puzzle game < 1729371132 996317 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it turns out there are more though < 1729371145 586255 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"your" - bee magic < 1729371368 456714 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And no, I haven't gotten *that* star yet either. < 1729372185 135159 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :realname < 1729372514 58816 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree with zzo38's comment re. Corrado Bohm's P'' being the most formal TC proof for bf. The proof pre-dates bf by decades, and the correspondence was noticed well after bf, and I don't know how formally or when, but it is a trivial subset and feels like an obvious free step to reuse the formal proof. < 1729372643 724535 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't looked recently, but I couldn't find a free, easy to access archive copy of Bohm's original journal paper online. I considered getting a photocopy from a University library with physical copies, but I don't have uni connections currently, so it would have been a bit of an effort (and the uni is not even in my city) > 1729372658 754157 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02PL10]] to [[MarkupL]] > 1729372658 777468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02Talk:PL/MIX10]] to [[Talk:MarkupL/MIX]] < 1729372736 196629 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still looking for a copy of Böhm, C.: "On a family of Turing machines and the related programming language", ICC Bull. 3, 185-194, July 1964. , just to link from the Wikipedia article > 1729373102 283883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143874&oldid=143870 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+34) 10 > 1729373118 570769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143875&oldid=143874 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-70) 10/* Syntax */ > 1729373254 843841 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143876&oldid=143875 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-62) 10/* Hello, world */ < 1729373293 179375 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729373569 345053 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: I believe I've found that one in a shadow library, if you're content to read it and verify WP's claims. I don't have notes to share though, sorry. < 1729373643 521264 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, although you may still want to prove that Brainfuck is also complete in how it can use bytewise interactive input and output. > 1729373822 63035 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143877&oldid=143876 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+158) 10/* Syntax */ < 1729373854 588415 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: not sure I follow the extra completeness from IO? < 1729373978 744484 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: I mean that's a stronger property than just Turing-completeness < 1729373987 466136 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You need to be able to arbitrarily "beep" the machine by putting it into a designated state. The phrasing on the wiki is in terms of arbitrary effects. < 1729374001 87163 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: thanks, I may have found the content somewhere too, but is it a transcription or something? I remember thinking it would still be valuable to have a cleanly obtained copy for proper attribution and linking < 1729374097 589360 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: I don't think it's freely available anywhere, no. The original journal hasn't been made open-access, IIUC. When we have access to articles from the 60s, it's usually because they get shared by teachers a lot, and this article doesn't get used (much?) in courses. < 1729374174 329798 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: So, I think we have to fix a convention, but it should be straightforward to show that right-unbounded BF can do arbitrary I/O. We'd reserve the first four cells to use as registers for holding the next character in and out, as well as flags. > 1729374211 103494 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143878&oldid=143869 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-3) 10/* Minimization */ < 1729374227 599363 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This was how that one BF metainterpreter worked, IIRC: https://github.com/bf-enterprise-solutions/meta.bf < 1729374312 3071 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, no, that metainterp passes through I/O. So I must be thinking of something else. > 1729374373 46566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143879&oldid=143877 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+149) 10/* MarkupL add-ons */ > 1729374390 556713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143880&oldid=143879 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* MarkupL add-ons */ < 1729374456 955508 :Everything!~Everythin@46.211.96.33 JOIN #esolangs * :Everything > 1729374508 182894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02Talk:MarkupL/MIX10]] to [[Talk:PL/MIX]] over redirect > 1729374508 205078 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete_redir10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10Ractangle deleted redirect [[02Talk:PL/MIX10]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[Talk:MarkupL/MIX]]" < 1729374693 959480 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"phrasing on the wiki is in terms of arbitrary effects" maybe i'm missing some context on what you're trying to prove, but though IO was totally separate from computational ability? < 1729374703 764111 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if the result is on the tape, it has been computed. IO could be done with memory mapping, or adding command conventions, or wiring a beeper, but they are all equivalent in terms of computation. < 1729374971 724665 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: what? no, brainfuck has IO built in, using the . and , commands < 1729374979 433545 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Arbitrary_effect_at_an_arbitrary_point < 1729375014 998681 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Sure. I was thinking of performing arbitrary I/O effects, not just having the commands available. < 1729375041 60615 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't it like asking 'can it play Doom'? The answer is yes, but 'play' isn't formally defined, so you could argue about whether that really counts as 'play' subjectively? > 1729375049 144971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143883&oldid=143878 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+53) 10 < 1729375334 480606 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: i get "Arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point" is required for TCness, but don't see the IO implication? Also, I had to read the last para twice to make sure it wasn't implying some languages can be TC _without_ allowing AEAAP. It's still required, it just doesn't have to be direct or obvious. < 1729375555 665708 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1729375743 911897 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: I/O actions inside the machine correspond to externally-visible states outside the machine. < 1729375822 251147 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And so if there's some arbitrary barrier preventing the machine from entering some externally-visible state, then that barrier likely prevents the machine from executing the corresponding I/O action. But if there's a legal program expressing that action, then we've found an incompleteness. < 1729375860 739776 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as someone who likes writing truth machines for langs with no IO, i though IO was fundamentally a hardware or interpreter implementation detail-- sugar to make things a bit easier, but not required. Conceptually I can look at anything in the system, I don't see why STDOUT is especially priviledged. < 1729375875 137353 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because BF has the I/O actions, we also expect that BF is universal over sequences of I/O actions. < 1729375919 233644 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In languages like E or Monte, one *cannot* look at any part of the system, even with a debugger. You'd need an OS-level debugger or some other abstraction-violator. > 1729375943 74312 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143884&oldid=143857 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+88) 10 < 1729375949 569531 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I'm used to thinking in terms of observable actions. It also enables us to talk about algorithms vs functions vs programs, which is nice. > 1729375957 763808 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143885&oldid=143884 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+0) 10 > 1729375979 686898 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143886&oldid=143885 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (+1) 10 < 1729376066 421733 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: To make this concrete and relevant, see [[Algebraic Brainfuck]]. The monoid I documented there does *not* have I/O, and in fact any I/O will trivialize the theory (IOW prevents us from showing that one program behaves like another). < 1729376093 891124 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...Oh, I should say that there. < 1729376272 301966 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Because BF has the I/O actions, we also expect that BF is universal over sequences of I/O actions." ok, I think I understand this is a question... I had assumed that this is necessarily true for all TC langauges that allow arbitrary IO, and it'd have to be true for all TC languages as part of TCness (i,e, not specific to bf). You'd have to add odd restrictions to break it. .. but maybe this does need a proof? < 1729376419 422611 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, you've got the idea. It's a straightforward proof to imagine: for each computable sequence of I/O actions, where the program can run a computable function to adapt to each input datum, the corresponding program interleaves I/O action literals with compiled code for those functions. < 1729376456 287674 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And general recursion is allowed because I/O actions can occur inside those compiled functions. < 1729376457 981636 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION handwaving
> 1729376595 6253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143887&oldid=143883 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+152) 10/* Minimization */ > 1729376602 806408 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143888&oldid=143887 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ > 1729376648 442582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Algebraic Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143889&oldid=142903 5* 03Corbin 5* (+340) 10/* As a Monoid */ Note that I/O trivializes the theory. Sad but typical. < 1729376948 156419 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm skipping a lot of stages in my thoughts here, but "Arb. effect at an arb. point" is using 'effect' to mean an effect 'relevant to computation'. IO adds effects not directly relevant to computation, but you can have them at the same arbitrary points easily... now I'm thinking the only hard part is infinite input --it's seems that might not necessarily be hardcodable and could represent a difference < 1729377011 359352 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, it's also talking about states of an FSM, and the way we represent I/O in an FSM is with states that are reading or writing. < 1729377034 143718 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :More abstractly, we talk about the "beep", which doesn't have to literally make an audio beep but should be an observable state. < 1729377055 236393 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the main application is Beeping Busy Beaver: https://www.sligocki.com/2021/03/06/beeping-busy-beaver/ < 1729377101 633336 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :... i'll read the curernt Algebraic Brainfuck for more context. Infinite input seems like that's the only part of IO that seems like it might make a meaning ful difference, and even then i can conceive of infinte hardcoded input, it's that maybe you'd never be able begin the computation < 1729377215 119169 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :FSMs read / write states can just be inserted or removed though? They are attached to computational states, that's a good way of conceptualising what I'm talking about (i think?) < 1729377424 555673 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for 'beep's being an observable state, i have used monitoring the state of an arbitrary waterclock in TWFM as a conceptual beep for IO, and for BCT i worked out a pattern matching output if any part of the data string matched a pattern, the portion is to be interpreted as output, so i think i have practically implemented pushing the def.n of 'beep' techinques :) < 1729377503 171245 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. I don't want to get bogged down in definitions as long as you've got the right idea. Consider video-game emulators; it'd be rather weird if an emulator *couldn't* reproduce an arbitrary code-execution (ACE) action, right? < 1729377555 503166 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We want the emulator to be universal over all of the original observable states of the emulated machine, including the states that aren't typically encountered in normal usage. States that are only reached by highly-incompressible inputs. < 1729377599 923571 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...Ignore that last bit, unless you wanna talk probabalistically, I guess. < 1729377686 992722 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, 'beeping busy beaver' I'd heard that mentioned a while back and was going to dig into what that meant. i'll do some reading, thx. < 1729377732 843450 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :TC-ness is really just kind of like what happens as our emulated machine goes to infinite time and space. Our emulator has to go infinite, too, and it has to do so in a faithful fashion. < 1729377791 15612 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :("Faithful" in the category-theoretic sense: if two observable states of the emulator are distinct, then observations of the original machine will distinguish them too.) < 1729377885 542 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess my default take is that 'beeps' are irrelevant (for computation), primarily because the def.n of beep is so wide, but i'm also quite interested in exploring / justifying that. < 1729377967 42195 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, I guess I think beeps are 'free' < 1729378333 753640 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, as long as they're not in control flow, yeah, beeps don't interrupt composition. But looping over a beep, especially conditionally beeping in a big loop, should evoke Rice's theorem. < 1729379147 985276 :Everything!~Everythin@46.211.96.33 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1729380174 344025 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: i'm still reading, but it did surprise me that BBB(4) > BB(4) (considerably greater!), and it helps illustrate the difference. I'm still working through what it means. However this statement from SA "Clearly BBB(n) ≥ BB(n) for all n, since we could designate the state from which M halts as its beep state. " seems wrong to me -- beeping on the halt state gives you 1 beep? What am I missing here? < 1729380440 362708 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I accept that BBB(4) is greater than BB(4), because i've seen an example (well, trust the statement that one exists), but disagree with the 'clearly', and the stated reason seems trivially false. < 1729380907 31619 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: BBB() gives the index of the last beep, not the number of beeps, in this framing. < 1729381143 573722 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Huh, do you mean trophy or something? I think I'm confused. < 1729381203 427603 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: aha! that fixes it, i'll reprocess@ < 1729381296 153333 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: each trophy needs four stars and I got three with what I thought at the time was the last trophy < 1729381341 597751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, with the corresponding combination of spells < 1729381343 29573 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, got it, I thought you were saying there were more stars other than those. < 1729381372 569272 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you flipped the switch. < 1729381376 754131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did. < 1729381417 986012 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I don't remember what trophies I did and didn't do, because some of them were on another computer and some were with a friend on their computer. < 1729381478 903417 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think we didn't finish goat+flip+flower. We made a bunch of progress on it but it was tricky. < 1729381574 764221 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my cheat sheet looks like this; I haven't played since discovering the second animal. https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/bee-magic.png < 1729381585 839876 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(spoilers obviously) < 1729381637 811046 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, maybe I shouldn't have said a spoiler word. < 1729381709 41064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(blue centers mark torphys that are done < 1729381982 67761 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I started assembling that map before I found the maphack... that was a waste of time :P < 1729382031 117930 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where's this bee magic? apparently more than one of you are playing it and discussing it here, so I should add it to https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:B_jonas#Games_that_the_esolangs_community_plays < 1729382074 188011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://epicpikaguy.itch.io/bee-magic < 1729382089 200126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :windows version works in wine < 1729382109 60514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well, for me) > 1729382135 429564 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=143890&oldid=141424 5* 03B jonas 5* (+52) 10/* Games that the esolangs community plays */ Bee magic < 1729382161 355445 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could not install Wine in my computer due to package manager conflicts. I don't know if some other people have similar problem. < 1729382161 597286 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :added it to the link, thanks < 1729382169 673871 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do they have the DOS version? < 1729382233 4109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it works in a browser but my browser would forget all progress < 1729382246 60910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and no, not in lynx < 1729382283 144817 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If the rules can be written out properly then it would also be possible to make a separate implementation. I made a article also on esolang wiki with some of the games but I also wrote the rules of some of these games. (In some cases they are more complicated than I could mention there directly, such as Pokemon, and Magic: the Gathering.) < 1729382286 200709 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably not mosaic either but who knows, maybe they've added WebGL support in the meantime ;-)