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< 1762482445 18307 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would think that it would be more difficult to reverse ChaCha20 if you do not use the entire output. I would also think that it might be better to not have a separate counter and nonce and key, therefore all of these things can be longer, because the numbers will be added together.
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< 1762513567 948197 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: the ai told me this was a novel way to decouple compilation from execution architecture in standard c and standard POSIX, but it is probably not original. thought i would share it in case https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wL5lqYMp/
< 1762513648 233880 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: Fun. Be careful to not trust the chatbot; it doesn't know anything about the real world.
< 1762513671 476555 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would think that awk is a better choice than shell. I've been using execline recently, and if you have to run a lot of programs then execline is definitely better than shell.
< 1762513672 980757 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes I am well aware
< 1762513719 236852 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I uploaded my latest execline experiment here: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Vixen
< 1762513781 888085 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool
< 1762513895 203820 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know you've been thinking about POSIX for a while. This recent blog/paper is inspiring to me; what if Unix were a Smalltalk? https://programmingmadecomplicated.wordpress.com/2025/01/21/the-unix-binary-wants-to-be-a-smalltalk-method-not-an-object/
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< 1762516548 131275 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: my experience of LLM responses to queries is that the response nearly always doesn't contain the most relevant information that the asker cares about, and yet nonetheless looks like a valid response to the question
< 1762516584 206090 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's often factually correct but not in a useful way (and sometimes is even factually incorrect)
< 1762516636 684251 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my guess is that the LLM text-prediction effectively ends up, in practice, simplifying to a "choose one of these X canned answers and modify it so that it fits the question", where the canned answers are generally accurate but may end up less accurate as a result of the modification
< 1762516664 172099 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…which makes it only a minimal step forwards from what we had before, which was the same except without the modification step
< 1762516669 693283 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Right. On one hand, they *simulate* a reasonable conversation, which would usually include a correct response; on the other hand, by Tarski's Undefinability, they can't possibly have a perfect model of the world even ignoring the compressibility issues.
< 1762516772 485425 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The canned-answer behavior is an artifact of RLHF. The bot is punished for originality, so it becomes bland. There's a lot of labor-oriented analysis that we can bring to bear on the problem, if we think of RLHF as a managerial tool of power.
< 1762516841 43854 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, I think being able to solve "out of these 1 million possible answers, determine which is most relevant to the question" is actually quite a valuable problem to be able to solve, and if LLMs were more efficient at it, it would have a lot of valid use cases
< 1762516862 681952 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the problem is that the step that solves it is the training (which is very inefficient), not the inference
< 1762517030 658249 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sentence embedding is a useful primitive, although the security story around it hasn't been fully figured out. Image classification is useful for managing large galleries.
< 1762517072 314684 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my priors are that security of a technology is generally extremely hard to figure out
< 1762517097 47480 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Elsewhere, diffusion is clearly useful, and diffusion-based language models are starting to be investigated more. Surprisingly, one of the barriers turns out not to matter; we had worried that a diffusion-based model wouldn't know how many tokens go between structural words and punctuation, but it turns out that *any* model learns to count tokens as part of learning grammar.
< 1762517097 832002 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Morris worm was decades ago, and our software is exploitable even today, despite all the time we've had to get better at it
< 1762517259 29673 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. The sentence-embedding issue is that an injective model could leak data; folks had wrongly assumed that an embedding behaved like a hash. https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.15511 has details.
< 1762517307 302145 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I saw the link when you posted it to lobste.rs, although I didn't really understand the threat model
< 1762517312 474515 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, people don't want to learn how to write secure software. Capabilities are well-discussed but continually inspire confusion and fear in programmers. People don't see anything wrong with writing C.
< 1762517395 267982 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh! Say you're e.g. Facebook and you sentence-embed every message that users post for quick searching. If an attacker gets a hold of those embeddings and has any sort of query oracle, then they can estimate the original sentences corresponding to each embedding.
< 1762517435 624289 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I see – so the lesson here is "don't allow the embeddings to leak"
< 1762517621 756170 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. In general, in cryptography, the idea is that if we have an injection f, then since f(x) = f(y) iff x = y, any pair (x, f(x)) of chosen plaintext can be compared against f(y) to detect x = y.
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< 1762517714 575724 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another lesson, which I'm still digesting, is that the zero trajectory is special. When we start up an LLM, we usually set the model's internal state to the zero vector. But if it's really injective, then every starting state should have a distinct trajectory. So, what do those non-zero trajectories actually do?
< 1762517799 118275 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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< 1762517985 147221 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Morning.
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< 1762519987 267880 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I just came across https://github.com/camel-cdr/bfcpp/ which seems relevant to this channel? (it uses the C preprocessor to implement a brainfuck equivalent, the symbols are swapped to something that cpp can parse but it's otherwise normal BF)
< 1762519998 877885 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't realise that cpp was Turing-complete
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< 1762520580 125792 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm pretty sure it isn't, technically, in that all macro expansions will eventually halt. But of course that upper bound can be made arbitrarily large.
< 1762520592 72600 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I believe that's what https://github.com/camel-cdr/bfcpp/blob/main/cm.c is all about.
< 1762520635 538190 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :For any fans of C preprocessor metaprogramming who aren't already familiar with it: https://github.com/rofl0r/order-pp
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< 1762522066 412606 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ah right, this BF interpreter does seem to cycle through lots of different names for the main loop to stop it being disabled, it gets an exponential quantity of them but there is a limit
< 1762522147 314261 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like a bounded-storage machine but for execution time rather than storage
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> 1762530691 923606 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Oh oh oh oh oh14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167582 5* 03As 5* (+7896) 10Created page with "{{Stub}} {{infobox proglang |name=Oh oh oh oh oh |paradigms= |author=[[User:As]] |year=[[:Category:2025|2025]] |memsys=[[:Category:Accumulator-based|Accumulator-based]] |dimensions=one-dimensional |class=  |majorimpl= |refimpl=Python |influence=[[Ooh]] |influenced= |f
> 1762532039 992367 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:VilgotanL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167583 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+301) 10Created page with "== Hello!!! == Hi VilgotanL! so, I'd like to ask if I maybe could come on that second list of languages, and make an esolang with you! if so, thanks, if not, thanks for responding !!! --~~~~"
> 1762532340 465399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:2Swap14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167584 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+138) 10Created page with "I like this its cool --~~~~"
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> 1762532599 133444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EUCS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167585 5* 03Esolangist 5* (+865) 10Created page with "Esolangist's Ultimate Character Set/EUCS is by [[User:Esolangist]] and is basically Esolangist's version of [[tanstore]] ==You want a character set? Here.== <pre> 00 and 01: Space and newline 02 to 0b: Numbers 0c to 43: Latin alphabet 44 to 81: Symbols 1 82 to b4: Greek 
> 1762532663 765337 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dead fishy :(14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167586 5* 03Esolangist 5* (+280) 10Created page with "'''Dead fishy :(''' (called DF for the rest of this article) is made by [[User:Esolangist]]. You can guess what this is a derivative of... ==Commands== {{WIPsec}} idso work like in [[Deadfish]]   inputs like , in [[bf]]   is like o but it uses [[EUCS]]  n is NOP
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> 1762533392 838335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:I/D machine Turing-completeness proof14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167587 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+221) 10Created page with "I wish Errorbucket had its own page, because I genuinely want to try and use to for something different --~~~~"
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> 1762533535 607363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Esolangist/personal talk page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167588&oldid=167406 5* 03Esolangist 5* (+295) 10
> 1762533548 461714 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:I/D machine Turing-completeness proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167589&oldid=167587 5* 03Ais523 5* (+378) 10r to Yayimhere
> 1762534420 832718 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Parabox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167590&oldid=167493 5* 03Esolangist 5* (+102) 10
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> 1762535020 525512 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Krysiuuuuu 5*  10New user account
> 1762535146 334614 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FizzLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167591 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+362) 10Created page with "Can replacements hold numbers? and how are the numbers actually stored? and how, a list? and does the replacements only check the current symbol of that maybe here list? or does replacements apply to the whole list when its completed? and when? --~~~~"
> 1762535223 899152 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167592&oldid=167578 5* 03Krysiuuuuu 5* (+179) 10
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> 1762535244 310931 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167593&oldid=147208 5* 03Krysiuuuuu 5* (+898) 10/* Add this as macro hello world */ new section
> 1762535433 128116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UserEdited14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167594&oldid=165665 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+33) 10
> 1762535831 43594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07YksniM14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167595 5* 03Esolangist 5* (+844) 10Created page with "{{Wrongtitle|title=yksniM}} {{AKA|title=Maxsky}} yksniM is a cool language by [[User:Esolangist]] with 2 registers and I think it can simulate a [[Minsky machine]] and it looks like [[bf]] ==Commands== + Increment the register  - Decrement the register  < Swap register
> 1762536020 731306 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167596&oldid=153466 5* 03Esolangist 5* (+124) 10
> 1762536741 199841 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nullary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167597&oldid=131506 5* 03Esolangist 5* (+24) 10Fixed redlink (article was in another article)
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> 1762537701 919765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07,(*+)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167598&oldid=167346 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+43) 10
> 1762537754 790516 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Question of Protocol14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167599&oldid=141351 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-1) 10
> 1762537808 411029 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Question of Protocol14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167600&oldid=167599 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-286) 10/* computational class */ I need a new proof, as im pretty sure this is wrong
> 1762537821 713912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Question of Protocol14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167601&oldid=167600 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-57) 10/* example */
> 1762537883 267909 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Question of Protocol14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167602&oldid=167601 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+0) 10/* syntax */
> 1762537918 572824 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167603&oldid=144398 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+304) 10
> 1762538000 755600 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Short Minsky Machine Notation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167604&oldid=166453 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+16) 10/* Notation */
> 1762538056 43701 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Question of Protocol14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167605&oldid=167602 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+22) 10/* syntax */
> 1762539415 287994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Underloadish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167606 5* 03Esolangist 5* (+306) 10Created page with "Underloadish is the easy to interpret version of [[Underload]] by [[User:Esolangist]] ==Commands== All commands in Underload are available except () and a.  0-9: Push themselves  +: Adds top 2 stack values  S now outputs as Unicode so it is easier. Also it has to
> 1762539674 884416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167607&oldid=167068 5* 03Kg583 5* (+11) 10Add 5MAT
> 1762540662 607223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Noddity14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167608 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+1544) 10Created page with "'''Noddity''' is an esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] for proving [[A Question of Protocol]] turing complete. it is basically just a [[Minsky machine]]. It works on two unbounded registers == Etymology == It is simply a combination of the word "Not" and "
> 1762540705 315582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Noddity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167609&oldid=167608 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+10) 10/* Turing completeness proof */
> 1762540759 906372 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Noddity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167610&oldid=167609 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+42) 10/* Turing completeness proof */
> 1762541399 419033 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Question of Protocol14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167611&oldid=167605 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+395) 10
> 1762541871 986053 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167612&oldid=167553 5* 03Krysiuuuuu 5* (+885) 10
> 1762542180 821019 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Karvity14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167613 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+1356) 10Created page with "'''Karvity''' is an esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] based off of [[Noddity]]. Its specific purpose is to create Noddity more of an oddity. It too uses two registers, but it also uses a loop counter(however that counter is not modifiable within the progr
> 1762542297 754957 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Noddity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167614&oldid=167610 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+47) 10
> 1762542323 356654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Karvity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167615&oldid=167613 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+47) 10
> 1762542419 155926 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Karvity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167616&oldid=167615 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+56) 10
> 1762542442 200816 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Karvity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167617&oldid=167616 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+35) 10
> 1762542512 128318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Karvity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167618&oldid=167617 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+68) 10
> 1762542557 895891 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Karvity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167619&oldid=167618 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+45) 10
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< 1762542844 835850 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello people, I just created Karvity(as you maybe have seen in the Libera log), and I'd simply just like to know whats peoples opinion on it, because yea, I like feedback. here's a link: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Karvity
< 1762542845 335836 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd also love to know if anyone else is working on anything.
< 1762542951 49758 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: isn't there an IOCCC entry that shows the preprocessor similarly powerful? not with Brainfuck specifically, but the same power.
< 1762543047 687235 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: did you rename a command from - to d (in Karvity and Noddity)? if so, you missed one instance, making the command definition inconsistent
< 1762543071 320694 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I did?
< 1762543072 635360 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops
< 1762543078 365990 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll go fix that
< 1762543086 270206 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Thanks!
> 1762543103 308510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Noddity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167620&oldid=167614 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+1) 10/* Definition */
> 1762543222 11124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Karvity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167621&oldid=167619 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+0) 10
> 1762543238 709950 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Karvity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167622&oldid=167621 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-19) 10
< 1762543333 480169 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fixed
> 1762543604 708762 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Question of Protocol14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167623&oldid=167611 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+59) 10
> 1762543927 626659 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=167624 5* 03Esolangist 5* (+197) 10Created page with ", or Emojifish is [[Deadfish]] with emojis. ==Commands==  = i   = d   = s   = o ==Examples== ===XKCD Random Number=== <pre>  </pre>"
> 1762544063 696514 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167625&oldid=167276 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+28) 10/* esolangs */
< 1762544151 954727 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: I'm working on a corner of Vixen. Trying to convince myself that it's not worth creating an entirely new Linux distro just to explore that paradigm.
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< 1762544164 611980 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: damn
< 1762544167 739821 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats cool!
< 1762544217 410417 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: I'm kind of confused about the purpose of Karvity. The purpose of Noddity is to ease a TC proof; what does Karvity do for that TC proof?
< 1762544241 319821 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: oh no, Karvity is not designed for that same proof
< 1762544258 664626 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is branching from noddity
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< 1762544287 652702 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Karvity was made to make noddity be church numeral based
< 1762544295 719750 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which it *isnt*
< 1762544307 560842 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but thats how it originally was going to be designed
< 1762544361 215180 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, okay.
< 1762544366 989935 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::]
< 1762544387 710502 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my god, Libera has some very creepy emojis
< 1762544475 526817 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not Libera, your client
< 1762544490 520672 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Libera just sent a colon and a closing square bracket
< 1762544500 943782 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so this is Kiwi IRC's fault
< 1762544536 659497 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1762544543 920723 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeea that makes sense
< 1762544556 843111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION wonders whether :] is safe from that replacement
< 1762544574 100595 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: surprisingly, no
> 1762544621 551062 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Karvity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=167626&oldid=167622 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+51) 10
< 1762544643 390707 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well :﻿]
< 1762544650 44678 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1762544700 543512 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do they have an emoji for the classic >:3
< 1762544733 35399 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :>:3
< 1762544741 85208 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Korvo: no sadly
< 1762544754 221421 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how dare you kiwi
< 1762544766 751309 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :🦁
< 1762544781 674749 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which emoticon is that?
< 1762544787 255513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess there's always ：］
< 1762544802 770727 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :: ] looks a little crazy
< 1762544812 500459 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine being follow by that at night
< 1762544842 515169 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :U+1f981, LION FACE
< 1762544859 651451 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: ah
< 1762544868 585261 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I though it was an emoticon as well
< 1762544872 470139 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it isnt
< 1762544887 145915 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(ah yes, very on topic)
< 1762544902 785405 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode 🦁
< 1762544906 830868 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+1F981 LION FACE]
< 1762544917 484278 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this comes up often enough that we added a command for it to the bot
< 1762544920 749593 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :epic
< 1762544921 357670 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it can't be *completely* off topic
< 1762544925 752458 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :truee
< 1762544945 763576 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(where "this" = obscure Unicode characters)
< 1762544965 573034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`' ꙮ
< 1762544967 309450 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1125) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
< 1762544977 76614 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unicode might quite possibly be the most esoteric set of character encodings
< 1762544981 201701 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although it does have competition
< 1762544995 279035 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i agreee
< 1762544998 226811 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eeeeee
< 1762544999 633954 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1762545006 775372 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`' invisible
< 1762545008 474628 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :35) <ehird> With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns. \ 990) <fizzie> "May you live in INVISIBLE TIMES." --Old Chinese proverb. (It can look confusing when written with the proper Unicode.)
< 1762545009 609434 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, I was going to claim Ecma-35 as another possibility for the most esoteric set of character encodings
< 1762545021 369994 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so this implies that the most esoteric character encoding is probably UTF-1 (the Ecma-35 version of Unicode)
< 1762545063 510879 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: *Right* right now I'm playing with a concept in LLMs called a "steering vector". The idea is to influence a model's output by activating/suppressing certain concepts in the "latent state", which is how the model internally represents a conversation.
< 1762545088 40750 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: oh thats cool
< 1762545103 784776 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive been thinking too much about LLM's
< 1762545114 366820 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I start with pairs that look roughly like ("Yes, you should harm yourself", "No, you should not harm yourself") and trace how the model's state differs between those. To be clear, we're going left-to-right; we want to find the direction that *reduces* harmful instructions.
< 1762545141 543744 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then we can apply that influence later on when a model is running as part of a larger system that constrains harmful outputs.
< 1762545157 696634 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats actually very cool
< 1762545175 964545 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this like j*b work(such a dumb joke)?
< 1762545220 183825 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not getting paid today for this research, no. But in general, yes, this is the sort of research that I have to do in order to keep up with my field and stay employable.
< 1762545238 950329 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes sense
< 1762545244 279838 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :quite interesting!
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< 1762545368 982948 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It *is* quite interesting. I'm playing with a model called RWKV at home; it's not RL'd but it has lots of OpenAI-style user/assistant dialogs and responds well to them. Before doing this sort of learning, the model might respond at temp 0 to "How are you?" with "Oh, I'm feeling better. Just taking medication and trying to stay positive." Kind of a downer?
< 1762545392 221583 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kinda
< 1762545403 580041 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd say more downer than upper
< 1762545410 999913 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but not majorly
< 1762545416 469935 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :After training on like 20 random vectors, the steering adjusts that response to something like "Hi! I'm doing just fine. How are you? Do you need medical attention?" which is maybe not what we want but certainly less of a harmful doomery vibe.
< 1762545438 513967 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1762545453 184460 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is a great way to start conversations
< 1762545479 374226 :avih!~quassel@23.94.231.119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not to discourage anyone, but i had to... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8
< 1762545484 660097 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: was this ironic or serious?
< 1762545484 798261 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :As with everything in machine learning, more data will make it more reasonable. There's quite a few papers on how this works, what it can't do (it can't suggest the model magically be better at addition) and what it can do (it can magically force the model to be emotional, to think a lot about France, or to become a subject-matter expert).
< 1762545491 710913 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: mostly ironic
< 1762545525 669902 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :normally people get suspicious if you bring up a subject for no reason, even if it's in a positive way
< 1762545550 261651 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :avih: i geniounly thought I was about to be rickrolled
< 1762545554 910237 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats not
< 1762545560 39970 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how you spell that word
< 1762545561 809214 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1762545562 170314 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, people caring that you're healthy are good, people repeatedly checking whether you're healthy when they have no reason to think you aren't shows very skewed priorities
< 1762545570 449287 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"genuinely"
< 1762545586 748768 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, is it one of those clients that replace :P or :D anywhere inside code with a smiley, and whenever there's a dot between two letters they show a hyperlink, but whenever there's an actual hyperlink they hide it?
< 1762545588 682167 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: to respond to your correction, thanks
< 1762545640 953702 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I've deliberately and aggressively simplified the topic because I think it's within Yayimhere's grasp. But what I'm *actually* doing is reproducing papers https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.08968 and https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.09631 in a custom RWKV harness to see whether a meta-RNN does better than Transformers, and that's maybe too much for them at this stage.
< 1762545649 45561 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :uuuh anyways bye
< 1762545663 869904 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry
< 1762545665 230305 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.185.159.234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1762545676 131064 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I also prefer the simpler version
< 1762545697 79037 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I miss the days when we thought that there was a "France" neuron.
< 1762545700 778308 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because I don't work really heavily with neural networks or the like, and although I understand some of the theory, I have to switch mental gears to think about it
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< 1762545806 63486 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I learned all of this once in undergrad, once at Google, and now once again every few months. It really does feel like the field is constantly reinventing itself.
< 1762545878 343307 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, I bet you know how gradient descent works. It's undergrad material. But there was a paper this year which we're calling "Central Flows", and apparently we did *not* know how gradient descent works. https://centralflows.github.io/part1/
< 1762545903 751005 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"how X works" is a loaded phrase
< 1762545934 91295 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, you can know what the algorithm is and have a vague intuition of why it should lead to reasonable results, and yet not really understand why it works
< 1762545960 670673 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. I don't really like the difference between "how" and "why" in English. I know historically how/why it came about, but that doesn't help.
< 1762545992 678899 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, you know how there's software like twitter and twitch that think everything is a hyperlink and aggressively try to turn random parts of your statements into a hyperlink? And there's forum software that thinks that normal people never use hyperlinks into their posts, they just expect the reader to magically understand the context, and anyone who writes a link is probably a spammer. Can we put these 
< 1762545998 680973 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :two kinds into an arena and have them fight to death?
< 1762546001 263495 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oddly, I was looking at this recently in an entirely different field
< 1762546037 139203 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been trying to write an esolang where numbers are complex rationals, and then trying to work out how to approximate trancendental functions in it
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< 1762546052 39069 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :obviously the result isn't necessarily going to be a rational, but you can approximate
< 1762546064 783470 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that means you need, e.g., root-finding algorithms
< 1762546076 191093 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gradient descent works for that sometimes and doesn't work at other times
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< 1762546243 345946 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you need anything specific? I assume you already know the methods to find roots to polynomials, and how to compute sines and arctangents, and you can find software for just about any specific function that you want to approximate these days.
< 1762546318 930896 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not really, I already found an algorithm that's sufficiently fast in all cases, I've just procrastinated in linking it up to the rest of the language
< 1762546383 310319 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the basic idea, after isolating the root, is to alternate between bisection and regula-falsi; regula-falsi is fast when it works, the bisection ensures logarithmic convergence even in the regula-falsi worst case)
< 1762546450 531971 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course very often the numerical software exists in theory, but is in a form that's hard to use in practice
< 1762546456 570624 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't implemented the root isolation yet, though
< 1762546474 210468 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I've been procrastinating on writing the bignum library
< 1762546521 674987 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though while we're there I might as where ask: is there software that can compute the cumulative density function of an arbitrary multi-dimensional gaussian distribution given its mean and covariance matrix?
< 1762546555 558256 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't even really need this anymore, I'm just curious
< 1762546557 850249 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unfortunately I don't have the capabilities of the various numerical softwares memorised
< 1762546594 151129 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that reminds me, I need to find a new package for solving simultaneous equations over finite fields (or learn the algorithms to write one myself)
< 1762546600 250496 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the one I used before isn't in the repositories any more
< 1762546668 900905 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :polynomial equations?
< 1762546673 199540 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like multivariate?
< 1762546680 47572 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :multivariate linear
< 1762546691 43505 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is basically the same problem as inverting a matrix
< 1762546705 857847 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, linear. have you tried GAP yet and given up in disgust because everything was indexed starting from 1?
< 1762546718 23416 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are tons of software packages that do this for normal number systems, but finite fields are a bit harder
< 1762546740 484667 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm pretty sure GAP can do this for any finite field, though I only used it for the simple case of GF(2) so far
< 1762546772 273005 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, finite fields are *easier* because you can get an exact answer rather than having to be careful not to lose to much precision
< 1762546785 531979 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I mean, to find software for
< 1762546788 542901 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not to solve
< 1762546802 879675 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yes, that's true
< 1762546820 917639 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no, I have used GAP for other fields
< 1762546856 888559 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should try GAP, to see if it works
< 1762546872 275779 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, I would like to implement this myself so that I can use it in an assembler I'm writing
< 1762546885 827212 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in theory I should be able to tell you how to implement it
< 1762546898 591013 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :without the person doing the assembling needing the library installed
< 1762546907 424241 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially if you already know how to add, subtract, multiply, divide, compare to zero in the field that you need
< 1762546909 382384 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my problem here is that I understand the naive algorithms but am not sure that they're fast enough
< 1762546939 902343 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and am not sure whether there's some reasonable way to get a better complexity
< 1762547036 225190 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm
< 1762547059 671606 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know where I could even look that up
< 1762547169 711956 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the FXT book has something? it talks about fourier and similar transforms on finite fields to efficiently multiply polynomials in order to efficiently multiply ordinary integers, which it calls number theoretic transforms
< 1762547201 838125 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1762547232 221112 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then there's a whole slew of fast matrix multiplication, and you can probably design your finite field matrix solver to use those as much as possible
< 1762547268 539225 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wasn't really looking into this because the finite field matrix divisions that I cared about were such small matrices that the efficiency didn't really matter
< 1762547292 760572 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I never needed to use them often
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