< 1765242185 555997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I must say that the relative to target indirect addressing of Core War is quite cute. Oh and the threading model rhymes with BOX-256. < 1765242292 647443 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is "BOX-256 < 1765242294 342824 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"? < 1765242396 393521 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :something that had a brief moment of popularity on here 9 years ago: http://box-256.com/ (and that I revisted even more briefly half a year ago) < 1765242456 496238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I forgot that that site doesn't support https, fun. < 1765242631 499697 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> sha256sum box256_v12.zip < 1765242632 671893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : Variable not in scope: sha256sum :: t0 -> ([b0] -> [(a, b0)]) -> cVariable n... < 1765242633 10555 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :546b622f69dd937e1c0ed21061cbc6c617764ed986c34d6302d55094bec0a4a2 box256_v12.zip < 1765242650 695910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least that matches what I downloaded 9.4 years ago :-) < 1765242682 166745 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(works in wine, that's how I played) < 1765242701 141973 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you put a stub article to the esowiki so we can find it? < 1765242941 835711 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe < 1765245970 512507 :amby!~ambylastn@host-78-151-27-178.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement > 1765246365 277215 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BOX-25614]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170286 5* 03Int-e 5* (+2608) 10let's call it semi-stubby < 1765246408 444254 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah > 1765246437 48865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BOX-25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170287&oldid=170286 5* 03Int-e 5* (-3) 10/* Execution model */ obligatory first view fix > 1765248122 162387 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BOX-25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170288&oldid=170287 5* 03Int-e 5* (+190) 10categories > 1765248238 653368 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BOX-25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170289&oldid=170288 5* 03Int-e 5* (+11) 10/* Instructions */ add missing description > 1765249065 133534 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Crash110]]": was created as a broken redirect > 1765249081 926241 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Crash210]]": was created as a broken redirect > 1765249093 66066 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02EsoCrash10]]": not an esolang < 1765249295 389740 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc6:3201:6534:ff1c:7260:b311 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1765249791 427571 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BOX-25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170290&oldid=170289 5* 03Int-e 5* (+1844) 10More on opcodes. > 1765249847 882231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BOX-25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170291&oldid=170290 5* 03Int-e 5* (-1) 10/* Opcodes */ math < 1765249849 362036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1765249970 322287 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eh that's enough for now. There are no doubt typos to find and other things to polish. > 1765250486 387451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zero Instruction Set Computer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170292&oldid=170180 5* 03Xysdd 5* (+0) 10as talk page < 1765250858 37237 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas < 1765250966 965833 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: oh, that rings a bell! thank you for creating the article < 1765251064 935433 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc6:3201:6534:ff1c:7260:b311 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1765251327 255643 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: can you end a thread somehow? or do they linger forever < 1765251336 943859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they go on forever < 1765251366 241866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the game stops if you have drawn the target picture at the end of some cycle > 1765251463 165481 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BOX-25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170293&oldid=170291 5* 03Int-e 5* (+141) 10/* Execution model */ halting, or lack thereof > 1765251507 174641 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BOX-25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170294&oldid=170293 5* 03Int-e 5* (-1) 10/* Opcodes */ typo < 1765252115 461550 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, I tweaked it a bit more, so here's my attempt at impomatic's Core War puzzle ( ttps://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2025-12-06.html#lrc ): https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/omnipresence.txt < 1765253189 336612 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how many colors does BOX-256 have? if it's just 16 then there's probably a theoretical universal program that iterates over all 2↑1024 pictures. < 1765253211 294559 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah there are such programs < 1765253212 141077 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :obviously nobody has that sort of time < 1765253236 4792 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if I did I'd just use it to solve private key cryptography rather than picture drawing puzzles < 1765253241 388571 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :somebody(tm) had the time to write such programs at least :-P < 1765253309 180710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: a coupld of the names may be familiar: https://old.reddit.com/r/box256/comments/4g5e6r/universal_box256_solution_solves_all_challenges/ < 1765253354 501532 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(admittedly 256 bytes of memory including program might be tight for cryptography) < 1765253379 839105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :presumably if you had the time you could also find a bit more memory somewhere < 1765253381 460621 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) < 1765253441 204382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also I hate reddit just enough to not link it on the wiki :-P) < 1765253832 16937 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for cryptography, have you ever thought of the hypothetical universe where public key cryptography is impossible (eg. because quantum computers break elliptic key based schemes, and all the attempts to develop quantum-resistant schemes turn out to be flawed)? trusted certificate authorities would, instead of signing public keys, give any pair of hosts that want to communicate a shared symmetric key. < 1765253838 25905 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you'd keey symmetric keys to several certificate authorities, and to bootstrap, either you get a key from someone else you trust, or you get some bootstrap keys with your computer hardware that the hardware reseller installs with the operating system. and every time two paranoid people meet, instead of key-signing, they could do a test that would raise an alarm if exactly one of them has a bogus < 1765253844 34187 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :supposed key towards a certificate authority. < 1765253932 362757 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could also probably buy scratch-off cards with symmetric keys in physical stores, or get them in snail mail < 1765254020 591037 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :authenticated with hard to counterfeit holographic seals the sort that credit cards have, and if the trusted scratch-off card maker ever sells bogus keys (attempting a man in the middle attack) then you could detect that if you already have a valid key towards the certificate authority < 1765254050 43574 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if any supposedly trusted scratch-off card manufacturer attempts that news would probably go around and they'd no longer remain trusted < 1765254059 810970 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it works kind of simialr to certificate authorities < 1765254063 13014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have not, not in such concrete terms. At least Shamir Secret Sharing will still work, so you can split keys across several keepers. < 1765254073 481914 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like in the public key cryptography world < 1765254207 193653 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course all of this nice theory would fail in the real world for the same practical political reasons as they fail in our current public key crypto world < 1765254225 379139 :sorear!sid184231@id-184231.uxbridge.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you just invented Kerberos < 1765254271 492939 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is Impagliazzo's Minicrypt, I think. < 1765254288 134490 :sorear!sid184231@id-184231.uxbridge.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that too < 1765254289 508362 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a more practical cryptography thing that I want to complain about here, but it's too late tonight for that < 1765254309 956536 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://blog.computationalcomplexity.org/2004/06/impagliazzos-five-worlds.html for those who haven't seen it. Really great paper. < 1765254330 112876 :sorear!sid184231@id-184231.uxbridge.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are at least six worlds; there is an oracle separation between PKE and IBE now > 1765256284 484940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170295&oldid=170117 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+12) 10/* esolangs */ add Dot.Y < 1765256310 339469 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere > 1765257164 250871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interval Hue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170296&oldid=170254 5* 03Sawyer.go0923 5* (+1440) 10 > 1765257813 757919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Macroplace14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170297 5* 03Timm 5* (+265) 10Created page with "replace and macros [want to replace] => [to replace] [want to replace] => -^[to output]^- -v- is input [name] :=> [replace] ex h :=> out => -^h^- now h will output h order matters [want to replace] => {random(valid)} random letter with love [[User:Timm]]" > 1765257839 505665 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Timm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170298&oldid=170186 5* 03Timm 5* (+16) 10 > 1765259967 749877 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bijection14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170299&oldid=170256 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-49) 10/* examples */ > 1765259983 708721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bijection14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170300&oldid=170299 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-1) 10/* examples */ > 1765259989 302088 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gur yvsr14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170301&oldid=167551 5* 03Placeholding 5* (+62) 10 > 1765260023 95892 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bijection14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170302&oldid=170300 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-156) 10/* examples */ < 1765264921 339830 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1765265235 701887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Assembler14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170303&oldid=170041 5* 03Timm 5* (+6) 10 < 1765266193 136947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1765268482 835686 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1765268911 65082 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :maeve (she/her) > 1765269892 200395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Abstraction14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170304&oldid=169580 5* 03JIT 5* (+31) 10 > 1765269933 246893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rune14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170305&oldid=169613 5* 03JIT 5* (+31) 10 > 1765269993 875731 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cat do end14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170306&oldid=169417 5* 03JIT 5* (+23) 10 > 1765270029 383569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170307&oldid=169652 5* 03JIT 5* (+24) 10 > 1765270087 802304 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CatFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170308&oldid=169882 5* 03JIT 5* (+33) 10 > 1765270120 378056 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Assembler14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170309&oldid=170303 5* 03JIT 5* (+24) 10 > 1765270158 255516 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Meu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170310&oldid=170185 5* 03JIT 5* (+24) 10 > 1765270200 795541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Macroplace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170311&oldid=170297 5* 03JIT 5* (+24) 10 < 1765273345 340869 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1765273705 341262 :Yayimhere23!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere > 1765273719 905063 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170312&oldid=170295 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-12) 10/* esolangs */ < 1765273737 432319 :Yayimhere23!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 QUIT :Client Quit > 1765273925 12792 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SubI machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170313&oldid=120654 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-29) 10/* External Resources */ im too tired to prove this turing complete but it's not *proven* TC so it should. be listed so. < 1765273976 792975 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1765273997 340131 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SubI machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170314&oldid=170313 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-155) 10/* Turing-completeness */ delete the section cuz it again aint proven > 1765276080 621333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dot.Y14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170315&oldid=170266 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-2795) 10theres a lot of not good stuff here so I'd rather delete it > 1765277576 671324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Esoteric Operating System/File System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170316&oldid=167027 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+465) 10/* Other idea */ < 1765278013 757620 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9873:8ff7:840:18a8 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1765278184 900693 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo, sorear: these days I can also imagine some annoying worlds where public key cryptography is somewhat possible but has limitations < 1765278240 310419 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like public key cryptography is possible only if you have an expensive quantum computer, and even then you can only do key exchange but not public key signatures because the keys can only be used once < 1765278295 291777 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or public key cryptography is possible but requires exchanging large amounts of data – there are already public key algorithms intended to be quantum-safe like that, but it's not clear if they're the only ones possible. < 1765278385 904042 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or public key cryptography is possible but we have to go through two decades of flawed primitives until we eventually get good ones < 1765278474 281299 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or public key cryptography is possible but all the primitives that cryptographers can develop have big side-channel attacks unless you use specific expensive hardware support < 1765278538 940716 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I *think* we don't live in these worlds, we live in the good one where public key cryptography is possible on our existing computers at a reasonable cost, but it's hard to be quite sure yet > 1765279758 29126 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kimi daro14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170317 5* 03Timm 5* (+416) 10Created page with "{{stub}} k,m,d,r i,a,o u == THIS IS CONLANG == kimi [num] output [num] daro return input kiro [num] [num2] return [num]-[num2] dami [num] [num2] [var] jump to line [num] if [var = 0 else jump to [num2] kamo [text] [num] make var named [text] sets value to [num] or se > 1765279837 32421 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Timm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170318&oldid=170298 5* 03Timm 5* (+15) 10 > 1765280117 990570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170319&oldid=170253 5* 03Sawyer.go0923 5* (+73) 10 < 1765280311 328555 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :another annoying variant is if key exchange is only possible interactively in many round trips, and key pairs can only be used once because multiple interactive exchanges would leak the private key. < 1765280344 646146 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure if this one is actually possible. > 1765280406 175794 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170320&oldid=170319 5* 03Sawyer.go0923 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, world! */ < 1765280450 958986 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it only works if you can (at least with some probability) also fake an exchange if you know the other party's private key. < 1765281122 917257 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi > 1765281243 914218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170321&oldid=170320 5* 03Sawyer.go0923 5* (-116) 10/* Notes */ > 1765281290 583519 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170322&oldid=170321 5* 03Sawyer.go0923 5* (-4) 10 < 1765281855 553753 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(maybe TCS experts already have impossibility proofs against half of the ones I listed above) < 1765281985 921715 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/ones/worlds/ > 1765282470 899921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gift14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170323&oldid=170285 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10/* Interepters: */ Fix typo < 1765283625 391199 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9873:8ff7:840:18a8 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1765284109 827995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Labubu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170324&oldid=160822 5* 03 5* (-43) 10Broken link deleted. > 1765284187 664343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Exclaim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170325&oldid=160819 5* 03 5* (-25) 10/* See also */ Broken link fixed. > 1765284744 382003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esoteric units of information14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170326&oldid=104834 5* 03 5* (-8) 10/* Binary (boolean) logic and gates */ Broken link fixed. > 1765284817 958426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kimi daro14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170327&oldid=170317 5* 03JIT 5* (+24) 10you gotta add those important categories, timm, or else they'll not be in the list of languages (the auto one) > 1765285107 343642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170328&oldid=96916 5* 03 5* (+19) 10/* Bug Reports */ Broken link fixed. > 1765285196 178370 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07APLWSI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170329&oldid=164016 5* 03 5* (+14) 10/* Interpreter */ Broken link fixed. > 1765285279 386098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rflct14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170330&oldid=70975 5* 03 5* (+8) 10Broken link fixed. > 1765285363 632210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IPAlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170331&oldid=130143 5* 03 5* (+1) 10Broken link fixed. > 1765285545 654924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Uniode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170332&oldid=145838 5* 03 5* (-1) 10/* Disord eslang */ Broken link fixed. > 1765285669 856522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07KanjiCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170333&oldid=71455 5* 03 5* (+16) 10/* Introduction */ Broken link fixed. > 1765285773 847163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Finite Groups14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170334&oldid=16800 5* 03 5* (-19) 10/* Computational class */ Broken link fixed. > 1765285960 802628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pairpointing14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170335&oldid=130049 5* 03 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ Broken link fixed. > 1765286358 230654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170336&oldid=108693 5* 03 5* (+20) 10Broken link fixed. > 1765286664 48638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07KanjiCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170337&oldid=170333 5* 03 5* (-3) 10/* Introduction */ Broken link fixed. > 1765287754 635298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170338&oldid=163989 5* 03 5* (-3) 10Broken link fixed. > 1765287829 811723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cmpilr14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170339&oldid=92751 5* 03 5* (-21) 10Broken link fixed. > 1765290001 708597 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esoteric units of information14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170340&oldid=170326 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-3) 10/* trit */ Malbolge makes mo0re sense than TRINITERCALE. > 1765290242 132610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03JIT 5* 10moved [[02A programming language is a system of notation for writing computer programs.10]] to [[A programming language is an artificial language for expressing computer programs.]]: update > 1765290242 198800 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03JIT 5* 10moved [[02Talk:A programming language is a system of notation for writing computer programs.10]] to [[Talk:A programming language is an artificial language for expressing computer programs.]]: update > 1765290337 596088 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A programming language is an artificial language for expressing computer programs.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170345&oldid=170341 5* 03JIT 5* (+108) 10 > 1765290361 796273 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Programming Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170346&oldid=109329 5* 03JIT 5* (+5) 10 > 1765290451 574506 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03JIT 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Expressingcomputerprograms.png10]]": A programming language is an artificial language for expressing computer programs. > 1765290527 967955 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A programming language is an artificial language for expressing computer programs.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170348&oldid=170345 5* 03JIT 5* (-9) 10 > 1765290949 454404 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A programming language is an artificial language for expressing computer programs.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170349&oldid=170348 5* 03JIT 5* (+1) 10 > 1765294437 917665 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Uniode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170350&oldid=170332 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+1) 10This one seems to be intentional < 1765295223 340800 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1765296329 532412 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1765296397 811499 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9873:8ff7:840:18a8 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1765297485 340275 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1765300978 231623 :amby!~ambylastn@host-78-151-27-178.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1765302220 276465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:RikoMamaBala14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170351 5* 03RikoMamaBala 5* (+2079) 10Created page with "I do all sorts of programming stuff, from Scratch, to Python, to even a custom-made machine code that can actually be interpreted(no, really)! ==My interests in Scratch== I do all fancy stuff in Scratch. From: when green flag clicked forever move > 1765302308 463682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Article written in Brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170352 5* 03RikoMamaBala 5* (+20242) 10Created page with "-[------->+<]>.-[->++++<]>.+[->+++<]>+.+++++++++++.[--->+<]>-----.[->+++<]>+.+++++++++++..[++>---<]>--.---[->++++<]>-.----.+++.++.-.+[---->+<]>+++.+++++[->+++<]>.---------.[--->+<]>--.[-->+++++++<]>.++.---.--------.+++++++++++.+++[->+++<]>++.+ < 1765302935 685027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FWIW: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a771903d/ < 1765302982 551412 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1765303005 494890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(So precisely their user page I guess?) < 1765303060 300525 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. Feels like spam to me, and definitely shouldn't be in the main namespace. < 1765303128 25493 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, it's spam. < 1765303319 852812 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9873:8ff7:840:18a8 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1765303472 789008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Article written in Brainfuck10]]": not an esolang (and articles here should be written in English) < 1765303679 822479 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, having explicit topicality rules is becoming more and more urgent, maybe I should work on those today but I have so many other things to do < 1765304443 571185 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat < 1765304568 707885 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523, would you want to be told when my interview is finished? since you seemed interested when I told you about it < 1765304587 68315 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: so I have my email client set up to automatically tell me if anything is posted on esoteric.codes < 1765304599 406993 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: ah nice, ok < 1765304601 644803 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, since I set that up, nothing actually was posted, so I don't know whether it works or not < 1765304618 582716 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :great test I guess! < 1765304657 224978 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's worth telling the channel, though, I think – I might not be the only person who's interested < 1765304670 839438 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1765304673 253469 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Client Quit < 1765304700 836468 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1765304711 752838 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true < 1765304725 682123 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i was wondering if it would be a little annoying or similair < 1765304729 718459 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I see it propably isnt < 1765304799 314667 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Client Quit < 1765304826 972100 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1765304861 67543 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's certainly a limit to how much you can advertise yourself on an IRC channel, but for this channel I think the limit is fairly high < 1765304861 177776 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Client Quit < 1765304871 84014 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1765304892 86189 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1765304968 610811 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Client Quit < 1765304992 974386 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1765305180 197653 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Client Quit < 1765305204 976303 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1765305575 287073 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat < 1765305620 30352 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1765305696 23923 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Client Quit < 1765305785 933124 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9873:8ff7:840:18a8 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1765305869 926982 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1765305961 342342 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1765307118 16465 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@197.184.89.2 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1765307164 984105 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan > 1765307513 798445 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Regex14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170353 5* 03Hammy 5* (+32) 10Redirected page to [[Regular expression]] < 1765307762 17192 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat < 1765307800 988021 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: speaking of which, did you see that I solved impomatic's Core War challenge? < 1765307817 720026 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I saw you post a demonstration of the solution, but AFAICT you didn't post the solution iteslf < 1765307824 256620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I have yet to see impomatic *reply* to anything here on channel in 2025) < 1765307827 313560 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I did that later < 1765307858 992059 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I ended up deciding it was likely to impossible with the Redcode commands I could remember, but decided that that was likely just because I couldn't remember the commands that would solve it < 1765307943 425434 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1765307957 751889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used both > and } addressing modes. < 1765308030 595784 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :< as well, but no fancy instructions; you only need spl and mov and jmp < 1765308033 985925 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: why doesn't the process at a+5 go to a+6 after clearing a+5? < 1765308048 143642 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: it does but there are two processes there < 1765308055 931630 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the second one stays < 1765308058 186059 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I see, that's what I was missing < 1765308086 600294 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(my mental model of Redcode had the second one moving) < 1765308248 108466 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm a bit disappointed, this gives a very easy solution for what I thought was the most difficult part > 1765308278 710054 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170354&oldid=170278 5* 03AnotherUser05 5* (+15) 10/* S */ add SeeLlash < 1765308325 560929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I used djn.a which is a bit fancy, but waiting for 10 steps could be done with a series of jmp-s as well; in fact I did that originally) < 1765308361 161190 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking about solutions that never had two threads in the same place < 1765308406 961661 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's almost a really elegant way to do it in which you get every thread to simultaneously overwrite a different address with the jump instruction, but it doesn't work because there's nowhere to copy the jump instruction from < 1765308439 767205 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…and now I'm thinking about the possibility of Redcode warriors that attempt to delete all the dat instructions in memory, making it impossible for them to ever be beaten and forcing a draw < 1765308466 699092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah I had that final step figured out quickly. Also the second-to-last step. But the 2 steps leading up to that took me ages. I also expect that there are other solutions. < 1765308492 365880 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think having all threads in different places at all times works. < 1765308510 920259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could be wrong, obviously. < 1765308538 509855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :One of the issues is that you need a `jmp 0` instructions somewhere in memory to copy it for everybody else. < 1765308564 999853 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :indeed < 1765308583 407102 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, some sort of jmp, you could copy the 0 over an existing jmp instruction I think < 1765308593 308849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right < 1765308633 254716 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. It was finicky. < 1765308636 226370 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION briefly considers SIMD Core War and decides that the SIMD instructions would be far too powerful
< 1765308661 366708 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :*sigh* < 1765308685 474758 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1765308697 735879 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :APic: I see you're expanding your vocabulary. < 1765308709 607888 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1765308715 742902 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Good < 1765308738 674783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, you said "Good Night" the other day, so that one isn't new. < 1765308742 884428 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :scnr < 1765308745 463879 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes < 1765308747 636637 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :😌 < 1765308765 169134 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1765308911 304092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: The other thing about this challenge is that at least the way I interpreted it you're pretty much forced to explode process numbers exponentially and finish the final touches in under 8 steps so it finishes within the default 80k cycle limit. < 1765308965 363954 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(where my "step" notion is process-local, so each step takes 8k cycles at the end) < 1765308969 479154 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: oh, because the cycle limit counts instruction-threads < 1765309016 387091 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would be a natural consequence of the way that scissors strategies work (i.e. forcing the opponent to make lots of threads in order to slow them down) > 1765309198 674131 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170355&oldid=169329 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10 < 1765309210 285709 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :What else... The solution I ended up uses a burst of "parallel" writes to populate most of the memory. I also experimented with pre-filling most of the memory with `jmp 0`, but it made the endgame harder for me. < 1765309257 942149 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION likes to write i in non-Caps and You in Caps 😌
< 1765309358 67299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assumed that your "You" was a translation of the German "Sie", which also starts with a capital letter < 1765309369 572897 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, sorry < 1765309398 236923 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION still likes You better than i or me
< 1765309408 366361 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it actually gives more information this way – English-with-German-capitalisation gives that extra small amount of information because I already know how it would look with English capitalisation rules < 1765309422 403807 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :♥ < 1765309456 427337 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but my German probably isn't good enough to do it myself, there are a lot of nouns I would fail to capitalise due to not concentrating enough < 1765309492 763621 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :;=P < 1765309501 294894 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :You still program much better than i < 1765309522 947822 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :English used to have an equivalent of "du" – "thou" – but it's hardly ever used nowadays, we use "you" (which is the equivalent of "Sie") for everyone, even close friends < 1765309549 322500 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( Hey you could translate the subtle distinction between "Du Arschloch", which is endearing, and "Sie Arschloch", which is a proper insult. (This is mostly as a joke; circumstances matter more than words in practice.) ) < 1765309568 369737 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Except in NetHack ;=P < 1765309609 692794 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think it quite works the same. capitalizing "You" in english probably means at least some degree of respect, while I can say "Sie" to someone I completely disrespect, the capitalization is there to distinguish it from third person "sie". < 1765309620 526849 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oddly enough I had to look up "thou"–grammar because priests use "thou" to talk to the player in NetHack, and I was considering changing their messages (they apparently speak a version of English that's *so* old that almost everyone is "thou" rather than "you") < 1765309653 366937 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: in English, I basically only see "You" capitalised in legal documents where it's intended to refer to someone in particular (but the document is written in the second person) < 1765309671 607410 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well that's even more different then < 1765309673 666571 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, it means "the specific intended recipient of this document" (as opposed to "whoever is reading this document") < 1765309701 862875 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I guess it doesn't imply respect then < 1765309713 784440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Legal documents also have a tendency to define "You" in the introduction if they do that. < 1765309741 588592 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is something of a paradox with respectful language, if you use language that is *too* respectful it is insulting because it's assumed that the respect is sarcastic < 1765309743 780274 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the convention is to Capitalize such Defined Terms. < 1765309766 701931 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in English) < 1765309768 726779 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Agora has been struggling with this for decades, we're never quite sure to what extent to capitalise the terms of art < 1765309768 831348 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"You" is typically a signatory to a contract. "By signing This Contract, You agree to the following Terms & Conditions..." < 1765309805 591816 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's too many texts written in english that capitalize way too many words. I used to think of that as "Winnie the Pooh style", but these days it's more like "Harry Potter style" < 1765309825 587117 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. referring to someone as "your majesty" would be very insulting unless it's one of the few people who actually has a high enough rank to require the honorific < 1765309867 665816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( People really make a mockery out of languages. ) < 1765309881 239915 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I don't think I've ever seen a contract define "This Contract" before, although it wouldn't be totally surprising if one did < 1765309910 346748 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :many nomic rulesets define what the ruleset is, after all < 1765309914 962963 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good old Lawyers < 1765309924 115479 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or RechtsanwältXnnen, as i would say gendered ☹ < 1765309979 801035 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :English has so many words that we can normally work around the problem by finding non-gendered synonyms < 1765309982 515593 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: It happens when a contract needs to exclude or categorize certain amendments. In USA history, an example is one of our founding documents: "The Congress ... shall propose Amendments to this Constitution ..." < 1765310001 466423 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although sometimes it's difficult, there is probably a gender-neutral version of "firewoman"/"fireman" but I don't know what it is offhand < 1765310032 97285 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is that actually spoken like /x/ or is it more like a /e/ vowel? < 1765310033 807290 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: does that mean that it's unconstitutional for congress to *not* propose amendments? they haven't recently < 1765310074 120812 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I skipped a clause. In full, "The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments ..." < 1765310083 865942 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, that makes more sense < 1765310093 724648 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION only thinks of Image-Boards when i read /x/ or /e/ ☹
< 1765310141 941220 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This paragraph's actually very hotly debated. Like, there's an amendment called Equal Rights Amendment, that is technically ratified, but lots of experts say it's not ratified yet. They're heavily motivated; the Amendment gives equal rights to women. < 1765310147 893712 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :/x/ is a kind-of rarely used phoneme in English, it's in at least one loanword that most English people have heard of (last phoneme of "loch") but I don't think it's in native English words < 1765310163 752985 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :APic: Ha! I mean, is it like an "eh" sound, or like a *throat* "k" sound? < 1765310179 667386 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure what phoneme "x" represents in German < 1765310186 357376 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I don't think I've ever heard people pronounce that X version. There's a capitalized I version of this gender-neutral plural that *is* pronounceable. < 1765310198 947014 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :We rather speak x as Iks instead of Eks < 1765310224 650902 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: -ks- so pretty much the same as in English. < 1765310238 759957 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks < 1765310271 124933 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, a few loanwords have it, but we migrated most /x/ to /k/ a long time ago. The examples we use when teaching Lojban are Scottish "loch", German "Bach", and Spanish "jalapeño". < 1765310327 128217 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, English speakers nearly always pronounce the first phoneme of "jalapeño" as English "h" rather than /x/, I didn't actually know it was supposed to be different < 1765310353 467509 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was hard enough for me to learn how to correctly pronounce the ñ < 1765310358 816553 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Gooe old Nessie inside the Loch Ness… < 1765310383 159364 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Police even thematized it in their Song Synchronicity I or Synchronicity II < 1765310387 458932 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION does not remember which one
< 1765310397 835497 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(to the ears of an English speaker, ñ sounds like English "ny" / IPA /nj/, but it's actually a different phoneme that's pronounced with different mouth movements) < 1765310422 407286 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It varies depending on how far south you go. Up north, "Mexico" is pronounced like "meh-hee-koh". Far enough south there are places like Oaxaca, "wah-/x/ah-kah". < 1765310448 790553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think j/y/s/z/w/v/r are the problematic ones when it comes to German vs. English. Plus you have `th`, while we have `ch` which represents two different sounds. < 1765310503 488784 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in English, "c" can always almost be replaced with "s" or "k" without causing a pronunciation change, but ch/sh/kh are all distinct phonemes < 1765310534 843826 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, I forgot about sh, though sch is pretty much the same. < 1765310539 106111 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the letter isn't entirely redundant, at least with current "spelling defaults" < 1765310548 906882 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the West Coast, the -ñ- is basically the same sound as the -y- alteration of Japanese -n-. Like, Internet catperson "nyo" is the same sound ending West Coast "jalapeño". < 1765310570 740476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I say "pretty much" but I couldn't point out any difference) < 1765310591 507789 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also the phoneme at the start of the second syllable of "measure", which is normally spelled "zh" in cases where we want to be unambiguous because it's a voiced version of "sh" and "z" is the voiced version of "s" < 1765310645 764774 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I used to have two bosses named Jonas and Jonas. I was constantly messing up which was which. They thought it was hilarious, on par with microwaved popcorn in terms of silly USA Americanisms. < 1765310666 326050 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: There's always cyrillic too: ж < 1765310694 943173 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Were they pronounced differently? < 1765310708 962753 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :“a gender-neutral version of ‘firewoman’/‘fireman’” => that's “firefighter”. I think that's actually one of those cases where the neutral word is now more common than “fireman” simply because “firefighter” sounds cooler < 1765310740 97497 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :-s- and -z- are not so bad in USA English but we have to deliberately think about it. -r- is something of a Commonwealth problem; RP means constantly hallucinating rhotic sounds that were never there, e.g. "Myanmar" for the country pronounced "miahn-muh". > 1765310752 541688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dashed arrow14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170356 5* 03Hammy 5* (+22) 10Redirected page to [[]] < 1765310758 594382 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Yeah, one with a y and one with dj < 1765310759 487032 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Plus, "firefighter" has a phonetically distinct plural. < 1765311750 815922 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : -r- is something of a Commonwealth problem; RP means constantly hallucinating rhotic sounds that were never there, e.g. "Myanmar" for the country pronounced "miahn-muh". ← in non-rhotic dialects of English, "r" is usually a vowel < 1765311764 957215 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are times where it can be a consonant but they're rarer I think < 1765312832 349295 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc6:3201:6534:ff1c:7260:b311 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1765313435 69912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DotNetOISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170357&oldid=154795 5* 03BoundedBeans 5* (-117) 10The truth-machine does delete its files, in the terminator < 1765313451 743026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :impomatic: Well, one more try: I came up with https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/omnipresence.txt for your Core War challenge. < 1765313750 178984 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc6:3201:6534:ff1c:7260:b311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e thanks, I've just downloaded it to go through carefully later (it's bedtime here lol!)  Does it create a perfect 8000 JMP 0 instructions, each with one process? < 1765313760 100567 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1765313778 270617 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can check the cdb log at the end (and trust the omitted parts) < 1765313859 242104 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc6:3201:6534:ff1c:7260:b311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fantastic, thanks. It's the first perfect solution I've received.  If the processes or sequential, then it's better than my own (which has 8000 JMP 0, each with one process, but in a semi-random order) < 1765313884 289080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah the order is shuffled a bit < 1765313921 675281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see how that could be avoided; it's certainly challenging enough as is. < 1765314202 380203 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc6:3201:6534:ff1c:7260:b311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it took me quite a few attempts!  I'm still looking for other solutions - I have a couple of near-miss solutions that I'd like to fix. < 1765314280 973905 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc6:3201:6534:ff1c:7260:b311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION now catching up on the #esolangs logs... nice to see BOX-256 mentioned.
< 1765314319 487975 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I cooked up new solutions for your Fractal Hilber Curve level half a year ago. < 1765314322 440142 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :+t < 1765314369 517319 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And a bunch of others; I even somehow woke up keely so https://old.reddit.com/r/box256/comments/4dtkwb/official_leaderboard/ is up-to-date) < 1765314436 254298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :impomatic: specifically for Fractal Hilbert Curve: https://old.reddit.com/r/box256/comments/4dtkwb/official_leaderboard/mmof14w/ > 1765314599 721488 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BOX-25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170358&oldid=170294 5* 03Int-e 5* (+656) 10add version info for opcodes + some polish > 1765315262 691640 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BlackSpace14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170359 5* 03Demetrius55 5* (+1617) 10Created page with "{{Stub}} :''dont confuse with [[blackspace]]'' '''BlackSpace''' is language that uses block characters from Unicode, like ,,. [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:Accumulator-based]] ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" !Command !Description |- | |Output < 1765315342 485841 :sorear!sid184231@id-184231.uxbridge.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: signatures exist in minicript, sphincs and picnic are explicit constructions > 1765315531 599923 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Demetrius5514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170360&oldid=170251 5* 03Demetrius55 5* (-48) 10/* List of created languages */ < 1765317125 683380 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat < 1765317165 828732 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1765317388 875234 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc6:3201:6534:ff1c:7260:b311 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1765317552 145732 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good Night > 1765318087 19058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170361&oldid=170354 5* 03Buckets 5* (+10) 10 < 1765318129 505956 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat > 1765318138 585103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170362&oldid=170279 5* 03Buckets 5* (+9) 10 > 1765318147 769676 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Poy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170363 5* 03Buckets 5* (+744) 10Created page with "{{Stub}} Poy Is An Esoteric programming language created By [[User:Buckets]] in 2021. {| class="wikitable" |- ! Commands !! Instructions |- | a || Set the Next Characters until The End of the line To the Variable. |- | b || Print the Variable. |- | c || Set the Variable wit < 1765318229 25147 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1765318289 620240 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does Buckets have any evidence for their languages? I'm suspecting that they are making fresh languages and pretending that they were invented in the past. < 1765318494 696996 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I think the year categories are supposed to be "first became public" rather than "first created" < 1765318501 308613 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although that can also be difficult to prove < 1765318540 825222 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are some interesting cases like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Grill_Tag < 1765318570 167118 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in 2019 I studied the language "a vd vt", I eventually proved a subset of it Turing-complete, Grill Tag is the subset < 1765318581 308332 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so was Grill Tag created/publicised in 2019 or 2023? < 1765318590 715545 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(of course, the subset being TC means the full language is also TC) < 1765319150 32713 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, for example an interesting case is https://esolangs.org/wiki/Joy , which was apparently invented around 1996 the latest, and maybe even just barely published for 1970s standards of published, but it was probably almost impossible to find out about it before 2001 < 1765319191 221842 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course there are pages that describe a language with multiple variants, like how C++ was gradually created from the 1990s to even today, so it's hard to pick one good date. < 1765319208 805384 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: btw, about that "many of them are spambots" on the main page – I wrote that ages ago (as "most of them are spambots") because we used to have an extremely large number of users created purely to spam and I didn't want to mislead people into thinking that all/most of the accounts were legitimate < 1765319237 575566 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I saw just how many legitimate people have been joining recently and realised that they probably outnumbered the spambots by now, so I toned it down < 1765319250 472626 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: That's totally fair. And I'm not accusing anybody of being a bot; I think these days that most of the spam is going to be reverse-centaur'd. > 1765319251 636276 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:AnotherUser0514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170364&oldid=124400 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+308) 10 < 1765319273 505833 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes, it should be date of publication or escape more than date of invention < 1765319297 698437 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION . o ( a centaur is just a reverse-centaur doing a handstand )
< 1765319318 655731 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the number of banned users (which is a good estimate for the number of spambots – spambots vastly outnumber people who were banned for other reasons) is by now only a small fraction of the total number of users, so possibly the statistics are "accurate enough" by now < 1765319347 165501 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said I think there are a lot of spambots who got past the captcha but couldn't figure out how to get past the "Introduce yourself", and so never got banned < 1765319407 76120 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the "Introduce yourself" is purely an anti-spam feature – it might seem trivial to get past in an automated way but apparently doing that doesn't integrate well into common spamming platforms, so after it was created we had a lot of spambots passing the captcha and then failing to successfully spam) < 1765319454 547105 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and eventually the spammers realised that whatever they were doing to solve the captcha wasn't worth their money if they couldn't spam using it, so they stopped creating accounts too < 1765319509 531805 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm really curious about that, I don't think our captcha is commonly used enough to be worth writing a captcha-break specifically for it < 1765319524 468359 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so maybe it was being solved by humans < 1765319552 689822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well there's the theory that they recruit human solvers, but only up to the point where the account is successfully created < 1765319566 800279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: probably your theory, now that I think about it. < 1765319599 935795 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, it would totally make sense for a MediaWiki-spamming platform to have a way to refer the captcha to a human captcha-solving service < 1765319627 845124 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it would have no reason to involve the humans in the step immediately after that, because it's the same for basically all MediaWiki wikis except ours < 1765319679 585292 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok wait. https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Befunge&diff=156109&oldid=155581 the supposed Hello world program added here doesn't print the H, right? if so, does this user have a more valuable contribution? < 1765319681 526224 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :who said that security by obscurity doesn't work (knocks on wood etc) < 1765319709 565091 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: *knocks on SSH port* < 1765319723 108124 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Eh they do that all the time. < 1765319735 925085 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :really this is about threat models I think < 1765319741 216460 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :*mostly* trying to log in as root with a password < 1765319748 495369 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :defending against random bots and defending against determined humans are very different problems < 1765319765 549454 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(actual port knocking tends to use *non*-ssh ports) < 1765319784 206544 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, I guess I meant knocking around/before the port < 1765319816 271960 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because some of their other edits that I've seen are new pages for supposed esolangs that look very low quality, but given what's on our wiki that might not be enough of a sign < 1765319846 236235 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: see the next diff on that article < 1765319871 766168 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is an extremely plausible typo given that the program was converted to a code block by indenting it one space < 1765319968 207549 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: sorry, that's not the same code block, I'm asking about the one after "Without directly Changing to a Certain direction:". that pushes the letters in reverse using double quote, then pushes a 0, then does *two* conditional direction changes, then start printing letters < 1765319990 820843 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the typo is in a program that's not by this user < 1765320020 237964 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Befunge without <^>v doesn't seem like too interesting a subset to me < 1765320033 764893 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I'm wondering about "Befunge, but the only way to change the IP direction is ?" < 1765320051 738506 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no wait < 1765320053 619997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the edit you mentioned adds two programs; the typo fix is in the second one < 1765320056 254350 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :conditionals would be very limited in this (you could still use p) < 1765320063 808479 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that code is by this user, I was wrong < 1765320070 76369 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: so I guess you're asking about the first one < 1765320117 336495 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, a Befunge hello world can be written in one line without any control flow commands at all < 1765320135 668125 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I made up a way to store the ISO 2022 character set designation as a 32-bit number: bit6-bit0 = The low 7-bits of the final byte of the designation. bit7 = Set for C1 or 96-sets, clear for C0 or 94-sets. bit11-bit8 = Last intermediate byte. bit15-bit12 = Secondly last intermediate byte. < 1765320146 328364 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's something like 55+"!dlrow, olleH",,,,,,,,,,,,,,@ < 1765320163 70738 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9873:8ff7:840:18a8 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1765320164 365995 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :bit19-bit16 = Thirdly last intermediate byte. bit23-bit20 = Fourthly last intermediate byte. bit27-bit24 = Fifthly last intermediate byte. bit28-bit23 = Number of intermediate bytes (0 to 5). bit31 = Set for multi-byte characters (unused for C sets). < 1765320189 288383 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`befunge 55+"!dlrow, olleH",,,,,,,,,,,,,,@ < 1765320191 25016 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :befunge? No such file or directory < 1765320192 788148 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge 55+"!dlrow, olleH",,,,,,,,,,,,,,@ < 1765320194 92197 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, though trying to align the commas above the string makes some amount of sense, you don't have to count characters < 1765320194 327393 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello ,world! < 1765320199 598966 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge 55+"!dlrow ,olleH",,,,,,,,,,,,,,@ < 1765320200 971578 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello, world! < 1765320415 845320 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Foldy&diff=153903&oldid=151676 adds a hello world program that is just as untested as the Befunge one, it has an arithmetic error that you'd notice if you actually ran the program < 1765320443 703824 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: you might want to leave them a talk page note asking them to test their programs before adding them? (although for many esolangs there's no interpreter, so testing is dificult) < 1765320445 465071 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one is also for a language that the user didn't create < 1765320458 316525 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9873:8ff7:840:18a8 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1765320505 546468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Foldy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170365&oldid=157423 5* 03Ais523 5* (-70) 10do not hide the User: on links to userspace > 1765320534 323023 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Messenger14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170366&oldid=135331 5* 03Ais523 5* (-16) 10do not hide the User: on links to userspace < 1765320591 385738 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if this is a translation of a Befunge Hello World > 1765320653 472901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MediaWiki:Abusefilter-piped-link-to-userspace14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170367&oldid=135649 5* 03Ais523 5* (+141) 10warn people against trying to work around the ban on hiding the User: prefix on links to userpages < 1765320803 512992 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge 55+"!dlrow ,olleH">:#,_@ the traditional oneliner < 1765320804 783477 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello, world! > 1765320809 206968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IEBEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170368&oldid=166773 5* 03Ais523 5* (-82) 10do not hide the User: on links to userspace < 1765320851 185430 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: right, I was trying to avoid the > though, to match the restriction on the program that was posted < 1765320988 178211 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so in https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Foldy&diff=153903&oldid=151676 the code 111 for the second "o" is generated with the code "92*52**1*", the correct code would be "92+52**1+", the next letter "r" depends on this; the 101 for the first "e" is generated with "99*58*+", that's wrong and I'm not sure what it's an error for, but the next three letters depend on it too so most of the hello is wrong < 1765321090 962538 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it's supposed to be "99*54*+" < 1765321117 901803 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: someone fixed it in the next diff < 1765321122 187480 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(someone else, that is) < 1765321208 397316 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :indeed < 1765321283 55842 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, Firefox Translate translates "日本語" to "English" – I'm pretty sure that's wrong < 1765321378 164855 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that's kind of logical. even though the original means "Japanese", it most often occurs as a heading of a description in group of the same text translated to multiple labels, so if you're translating the whole section to english then the section should now be labeled as "English" < 1765321393 805583 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, and I'm pretty sure I know why a naively trained AI would do that translation – there must be tons and tons of pairs of web pages that have 日本語 in the same position of the Japanese-language page as they do "English" in that position of the corresponding English-language page < 1765321405 398320 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: right < 1765321427 77037 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat < 1765321430 819890 :sorear!sid184231@id-184231.uxbridge.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :or if someone says something incomprehensible and you reply "what is that in [language]" < 1765321509 58458 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(someone submitted a page written in Japanese and it got caught in the edit filter, I'm not quite sure what to do with it) < 1765321599 406619 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it may have been AI-generated but it is *much* harder for me to figure that out for a page that is written in Japanese rather than English < 1765321633 475514 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/examine/log/9251 if anyone is interested < 1765322053 235528 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the user I was previously looked at is a cyborg, as in a person writing these articles with a lot of help from older chatbots that make those interesting mistakes in the program < 1765322060 72851 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but maybe I'm just seeing things < 1765322179 486343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1765322467 566114 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I feel that it's healthier from an admin perspective to stick to English as much as possible for the wiki contents. Which sidesteps the question whether this is a human effort or not. < 1765322622 424482 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: no, the healthy thing would be to allow several languages, anything is fine as long as enough admins can read some of the language so they can moderate away spam and other problems. but with ais as the only active admin, that doesn't really work. < 1765322724 32589 :b_jonas!~x@80.98.84.202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if only we could convince korvo to help with the moderation < 1765322764 138030 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION can be trusted with power tools
< 1765323111 498446 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9873:8ff7:840:18a8 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1765323377 449428 :chloetax!~chloe@user/chloetax QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1765323390 386309 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] somefan < 1765323511 496996 :amby!~ambylastn@host-78-151-27-178.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1765323541 449342 :amby!~ambylastn@host-78-151-27-178.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1765323636 935734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/issue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170369&oldid=169997 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+730) 10another one > 1765323975 727859 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MediaWiki talk:Common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=170370&oldid=24891 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-26) 10fix dead links