< 1775090502 801325 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1775092807 989631 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement > 1775093874 148578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Adj14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178852&oldid=178811 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+0) 10Rectified the level for the Interpreter section header. < 1775095545 994807 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1775098008 831921 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :"He is also credited with the discovery of Girard's paradox, linear logic, the geometry of interaction, ludics, and (satirically) the mustard watch.[1]" < 1775098018 9209 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :This sentence reads like tanebventions. < 1775099516 363076 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: I thought about it a little, and I have to ask whether FMA counts as Horner's rule. Like, is FMA enough to evaluate polynomials? Or does it have to include a loop? < 1775100142 674225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The original includes a loop: "POLY evaluates a polynomial, given the degree, the argument, and a pointer to a table of coefficients." < 1775100778 318402 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose the degree is just the length of the table. Or maybe there's something interesting that can be done by passing a smaller degree. < 1775102991 304684 :svm!~msv@user/msv JOIN #esolangs msv :msv < 1775103209 974319 :msv!~msv@user/msv QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1775107184 602999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1775107220 960970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Zymbol-Lang: the best way to write about something that's copyrighted is to write a separate, uncopyrighted summary of how the language works and link to the original < 1775107263 609924 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this is also good when writing about a language whose specification is too complicated to fit onto the wiki, e.g. some golfing languages have hundreds of commands, with behaviour complex enough that it's hard to define without reference to source code < 1775107265 125876 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :) < 1775107499 706244 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1775107552 667966 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sometimes you can write your own document which describes the same thing in a different way (e.g. I have written a public domain document about uxn, although it is not in esolang wiki) > 1775109373 208207 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07.mtcm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178853 5* 03BODOKE2801e 5* (+433) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=mtcm}} :''Note that it's spelled in lowercase, except usen in start of words'' '''Mtcm''' is a small [[esosteric language]] made by [[User:BODOKE2801e]] designed to be minimalist ==Syntax== It has all of commands, are >, < > 1775109556 960623 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* 10moved [[02.mtcm10]] to [[Mtcm]]: Move to correct title(idk why it was not in the first place, since its correct title is mtcm and that is not taken) > 1775109669 214234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mtcm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178856&oldid=178854 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-57) 10remove both notes at the top of the page(first one is no longer needed, second one I have moved to in parenthesis next to the title) < 1775110583 622717 :dulph!~dulph@2a02-842b-6161-4a01-79cf-8ea8-468b-73bc.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dulph > 1775111647 935080 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rimsky.Yamatov 5* 10New user account < 1775111987 470113 :Zymbol-Lang!~Zymbol-La@2803:c180:2100:6705:b9eb:feed:81c8:99b2 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775113039 537361 :dulph!~dulph@2a02-842b-6161-4a01-79cf-8ea8-468b-73bc.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775113622 253636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1775115328 981540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178857&oldid=178837 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+117) 10 < 1775118481 924108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1775120265 359784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mango14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178858&oldid=172914 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+2) 10/* Commands */ > 1775122525 196565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178859&oldid=178842 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+30) 10/* Memory */ explain a little clearer > 1775125287 406 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178860&oldid=178848 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+112) 10 > 1775125503 181429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178861&oldid=178741 5* 03PKMN Trainer 5* (+363) 10/* Syntax */ > 1775125679 920505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178862&oldid=178860 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+21) 10 > 1775125887 450601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178863&oldid=178862 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+1) 10 > 1775126438 575667 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178864&oldid=178863 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (-6) 10/* Introductions */ > 1775126603 527476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178865&oldid=178827 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+18) 10/* Z */ > 1775126618 788004 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178866&oldid=178865 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+0) 10/* Z */ < 1775127402 398366 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN #esolangs ski :Stefan Ljungstrand > 1775127766 537777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zymbol-Lang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178867 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+16303) 10Created page with "{{Infobox proglang |name = Zymbol-Lang |paradigms = [[Imperative]], [[Functional]], [[Procedural]] |author = [[User:Zymbol.Lang]] |year = 2026 |typesystem = [[Dynamic typing|Dynamic]] |memsystem = Automatic (Rust-managed) |class = [[Turing complete]] |reference > 1775128003 178109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178868&oldid=178861 5* 03PKMN Trainer 5* (+510) 10 > 1775128068 404653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zymbol-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178869&oldid=178867 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+50) 10 > 1775128483 817193 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zymbol-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178870&oldid=178869 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+1) 10/* Operators Reference */ > 1775128711 875573 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zymbol-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178871&oldid=178870 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+5) 10/* External Links */ > 1775129978 173296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mtcm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178872&oldid=178856 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+48) 10 > 1775129991 580779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mtcm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178873&oldid=178872 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (-1) 10 < 1775130072 237215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn The password of the month is G7$kL9#mQ2&xP4!w < 1775130076 506915 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is G7$kL9#mQ2&xP4!w < 1775130087 41177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(from https://www.irregular.com/publications/vibe-password-generation ) > 1775130189 263444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spore14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178874&oldid=178828 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+9) 10 < 1775130535 483176 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775130883 905658 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the LLM doesn't try to pick a strong password: it tries to pick whatever string looks most like a strong password, and of course there are only a few such strings < 1775130963 999975 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(at least given the probability distribution it embodies) < 1775131007 910976 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh I remember a joke that went like that... that to be secure, passwords shall satisfy certain criteria and that a team brute forced all the passwords to find that there's just one secure password, which has been distributed to all sysadmins to use for their users. < 1775131028 661435 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :From no later than 2000, I think. < 1775131085 339982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Anyway. I agree that this is not surprising. But it's amusing. < 1775131192 364890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It's not even specific to machines; people aren't great at randomness either. But each individual will have different preferences; we're not all using the same neural network with the same weights. ;-) ) < 1775131330 538043 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least for passwords that I don't need to memorise, I use an appropriate number of bytes from /dev/random encoded in a way that makes them printable < 1775131349 929333 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like I may as well randomize between all possible passwords of the correct length and encoding < 1775131356 90298 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a way that means there's no human bias involved < 1775131431 380613 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on one of my email accounts, my email client uses an apparently randomly generated password provided by the email account provider that's over a kilobyte long (I think they reasoned that as it was only being used by computers anyway they may as well make it completely impossible to brute-force, and went a little overbaord) < 1775131457 660120 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, I think I'm done with the shapez 2 early access version; https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-insane-fini.jpg is the final form of the hub (with make anything machines) for the time being. ("insane" isn't me; it's the name of the scenario/difficulty) < 1775131490 801710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(just in time too; 1.0 is supposed to be releasesd in 3 weeks) < 1775131590 123787 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at 1kb in size this better include some error correcting code to detect and repair bit errors < 1775131641 373759 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how it works technically, but now that you've mentioned it, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an error-correcting code in there somewhere (although of course you need to be careful with those when it comes to passwords) < 1775131774 558423 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah, yesterday's xkcd < 1775131875 782006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Hmm. Without JS, I shudder to think what would happen if I switched that on.) < 1775134139 134803 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1775134169 878953 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Quit: i quit < 1775138187 835507 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775138740 643015 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1775138983 31526 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178875&oldid=178504 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+682) 10/* Add a logo on Vector 2022 */ new section < 1775139079 364324 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775139111 693927 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1775139184 567065 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178876&oldid=174823 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-165) 10/* Basic information & introduction */ > 1775139231 534248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178877&oldid=178876 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-575) 10/* Extra information */ > 1775139236 966593 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178878&oldid=178877 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-289) 10/* Miscellaneous */ > 1775139244 659506 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178879&oldid=178878 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-40) 10/* Basic information & introduction */ > 1775139300 859617 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Manuever14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178880&oldid=145856 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+37) 10 > 1775139338 165630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Manuever14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178881&oldid=178880 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-107) 10/* Commands */ > 1775139485 868568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178882&oldid=174553 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+34) 10 > 1775139504 317815 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178883&oldid=178882 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+1) 10 > 1775139593 145163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178884&oldid=178883 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-987) 10/* Portal */ > 1775139691 852541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178885&oldid=177824 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+370) 10/* Genuine question */ new section < 1775139871 148559 :ajal!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775139871 238453 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775140153 856161 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1775141896 214217 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1775144841 486979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zymbol-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178886&oldid=178871 5* 03Corbin 5* (-86) 10Fix categories and tag as slop. > 1775145968 364606 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178887&oldid=178885 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+178) 10/* Genuine question */ > 1775147465 894321 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178888&oldid=148920 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+535) 10/* List of candidates */ > 1775147479 950762 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178889&oldid=178888 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+6) 10/* List of candidates */ < 1775147955 621729 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775147966 861240 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi! How are you all doing today? < 1775148120 240718 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm alright. Tired of responding to vibecoders. < 1775148170 885889 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I must say that is a sensible respond < 1775148174 955814 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*response < 1775148264 968231 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there like an easy way to say the pair of characters that have an equal index in two different strings? < 1775148466 16967 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or I guess thats a way to say it > 1775148665 323802 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178890&oldid=178857 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+422) 10/* Negative indexed cells? */ > 1775148688 497236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178891&oldid=178859 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+1) 10 < 1775149082 417237 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: "corresponding positions in the strings", perhaps? < 1775149098 820027 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yea that makes sense < 1775149103 60895 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks! < 1775149154 288413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's one of those relationships that comes up sufficiently rarely that it's useful to give an example (but sufficiently often that I vaguely remember having faced the problem of unambiguously describing it before) < 1775149209 944831 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I've been practicing for code interviews, so I recognized std::mismatch: https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/algorithm/mismatch.html But I think "matching of elements from iterators" doesn't quite flow as well. < 1775149221 3555 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775149483 658884 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it strikes me that LLMs are probably good at coming up with plausible interview questions, because producing plausible-looking things is what they are best at; I don't know whether or not those questions would be good practice for actual interview questions, though < 1775149507 511244 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm. I think I may have come up with an interesting idea for a language < 1775149647 147407 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775149673 563917 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, the program is made up of a set of axioms and then an expression < 1775149702 278090 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then it kinda multithreads the program by making a program thread with eevery expression that is equal to the original one < 1775149711 135765 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then this happens to the branches < 1775150042 451629 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are the axioms specifying which expressions are equal? < 1775150084 105032 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if so, I think this sort of algorithm is mathematically studied a lot – this is basically "mathematical nondeterminism" in that you are trying all possibilities for your string-rewriting or tree-rewriting < 1775150121 229782 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :parsers are often mathematically formalised like that (although a sensible parser wouldn't actually be implemented like that) < 1775150129 186313 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: https://github.com/samwho/llmwalk This is vibecoded but the underlying maths is reasonable. I implemented a version of this for exploring prompts on local models. < 1775150166 91321 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Basically, instead of committing to a single stem during beam search, do a summation over all popular tokens and show the resulting partition down to like 1% likelihood. < 1775150192 40894 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yea < 1775150210 268462 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i hadet heard of that, thanks! < 1775150274 194485 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think maybe the mathematical object you want is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_grammar (this inspired the programming language Thue but the key detail, of trying all possibilities in parallel, got lost along the way) < 1775150275 583267 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*hadn't < 1775150286 806337 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the description might be too mathematical to be helpful < 1775150305 668335 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no I think I get it < 1775150317 100995 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its not precisely my idea but its pretty close < 1775150332 625146 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1775150344 325786 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the axioms themselves would pretty much be the same as in Fak: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fak < 1775150349 425242 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which has brackets builtin < 1775150354 964690 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :your idea likely also uses mathematical nondeterminism but in a different way < 1775150362 449446 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775150404 847033 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, will be /away for a bit to get food (and will be busy later) < 1775150412 165576 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps having symbols affect some other expression, that then also branches and the becomes the memory expression of the one it branched "onto" < 1775150415 462380 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bye! < 1775150728 255447 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: The general idea of proof search is very old. Gödel, who showed that it's not computable to write a proof in general, also imagined that it would be very expensive to search for a proof. I think that you can imagine why; we call it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branching_factor < 1775150772 571297 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is where P vs NP comes from, at least to me. A P machine can verify a proof. To do that, it starts at the axioms, applies each step of the proof, and checks whether the final result is equal to the desired theorem. < 1775150812 617816 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BTW, in a modern string-rewriter like Metamath, that check is literal string equality. Like, "x, y" != "y, x" or "lambda x: x" != "lambda y: y". Every variable has to match exactly. < 1775150852 133417 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, an NP machine could search for a proof. To do that, it starts at the axioms, *nondeterministically* applies each step of the proof, and *nondeterministically* checks whether the current step is equal to the desired theorem. < 1775150892 343556 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But, do NP machines exist? And after nearly a century, our current hunch is P != NP. Moreover, we think that physics won't give us an NP machine. < 1775151709 628547 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1775151860 634316 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775151937 432462 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1775151955 47416 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello somefan < 1775151994 477849 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Morning. < 1775152037 630412 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775152343 267270 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm. Now, ive come up with another(quite simple) idea < 1775152359 89046 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, multiple terminals? Where code is located to specific terminals < 1775152374 380471 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :so like you have one section of the program that only reads one of them < 1775152383 106702 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :and another reading and writing to another < 1775152391 837915 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :*Reads and writes < 1775152423 510001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :b_jonas < 1775152495 365308 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. That's basically the Internet. < 1775152510 350613 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :true < 1775152521 740342 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :somehow I hadn't thought of that before < 1775152580 190840 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe when a section of code leaves a specific console and another enters, the output of thee last is read as input for the new < 1775152770 399539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: re shapez preview, how many different shapes is that trying to deliver to the hub at the same type? < 1775152771 794997 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a Perl script for fungot models where you give it the initial context, and then it generates N sample responses for the same context, but it doesn't do that thing of trying to find the N most likely responses, that looks more interesting. < 1775152772 982 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: i think it will make that nicer < 1775152799 155644 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: I agree, but on the other hand is it really worth doing? < 1775152799 338759 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: heh scoping in assignation and blocks here > 1775153329 715985 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bad Apple In Deadfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178892 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+587) 10the entire code. < 1775153350 915201 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :Great < 1775153357 173887 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere49: my very first esolang, which I never released (or even fully specified) because it was so bad, was dataflow-based: parts of a program could only act on data immediately next to them > 1775153375 237467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bad Apple In Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178893&oldid=178892 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+9) 10/* Changes */ < 1775153378 30287 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: huh, cool < 1775153379 219168 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and would output data next to them ,too < 1775153380 931003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that like brainfuck? < 1775153388 347304 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, in BF the data is on the tape < 1775153397 658718 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in this, the data was effectively in the same grid as the source code < 1775153408 865040 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaahh < 1775153415 589783 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea that makes sense < 1775153422 379070 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is an interesting idea if you have it working in a massively-parallel way, like a cellular automaton < 1775153428 789986 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would love to see it done properly but I dont think I'd be able to do it < 1775153443 629837 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I didn't (due to lack of experience), it had an instruction pointer < 1775153452 518899 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is more or less just a waste of a good idea < 1775153478 47146 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that said, the cellular-automaton approach has been thoroughly explored now using actual 2D cellular automata – the Game of Life is the most studied) < 1775153505 546709 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775153561 706044 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was interested in the "wire-crossing problem" which a lot of early esolangers were already interested in, but in the end I concluded that the problem was likely badly defined and very hard to make rigorous in a way that made the problem actually interesting < 1775153589 418267 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775153589 458891 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, nobody could precisely define what the problem actually was < 1775153646 568006 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea, when I came across is(which, perhaps surprisingly I didnt before quite late into making esolangs) I was confused on how the definitions actuall wroekd out < 1775153674 566061 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the details of the language I remember are that each command was a 2×2 square of characters and the commands were placed onto a hex grid – I don't think I got as far as working out what the commands actually were < 1775153698 813956 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I think the IP didn't have a direction, just a position, and each command was responsible for moving it in the correct direction (that is probably what one of the characters in the square was going to be) < 1775153782 645222 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nowadays my esolangs often don't have explicit commands at all (and when they do it's often because I'm intentionally trying to leave a gap in the set of things they can collectively accomplish) < 1775153811 333509 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea true, I hadn't really thought of that < 1775153889 429709 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes I am surprised at how relatively simple https://esolangs.org/wiki/Feed_the_Chaos is, given how precisely targeted the computational class is < 1775153921 851073 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should propably read and understand feed the chaos at some point, I just haven't gotten to it lol < 1775153946 87812 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did once have the idea of trying to create a language that is string based, but equivalent to Feed the chaos < 1775153981 646877 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems to be a surprisingly common computational class, given that (as far as I know) it was only discovered a few years ago < 1775153992 928638 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh huh < 1775154045 687778 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for simple, I was just thinking that one of the reasons why Rubik's cube is such a great puzzle is that it feels nicely canonical. and also that there aren't too many popular puzzles like that. there's the puzzle to pack the 12 pentominos into a rectangle. < 1775154082 119461 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I have mixed feelings about that pentomino puzzle – a puzzle collection I own had that puzzle but with all possible sizes of rectangle < 1775154087 306737 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it was frustrating < 1775154095 727119 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I solved all or at least most of them eventually < 1775154118 579467 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* all possible shapes of rectangle, they are of course all the same size if you measure the area < 1775154122 780636 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: oh certainly, the narrow ones are way too frustrating, but 6×10 isn't < 1775154149 258831 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :3×20 has very few solutions, 2 IIRC < 1775154161 506259 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I kind-of liked 3×20 because it's an exercise in eliminating possibilities and logical deduction < 1775154181 986050 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't remember whether I ever actually found a solution < 1775154200 919276 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there is a lot of logic you can use to prove that certain pieces have to go in certain places, or at least rule it down to few possibilities < 1775154263 364712 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: did you get any development on the gamepad English text typing schemes since last time? < 1775154275 500173 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yes mentally but I didn't write any of it down < 1775154293 996105 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my plan was to use the back shoulder buttons/triggers as shift (on the left) and number (on the right) < 1775154333 587400 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then I assigned all of ASCII, plus a few more punctuation marks like ×, ÷, minus sign, dash, to the resulting maps < 1775154373 626201 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I decided to split the right shoulder + face buttons chords (which produce common punctuation marks) based on which you pressed first, to get 16 possibilities rather than 8 < 1775154394 603381 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1775154402 773965 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for diagonals, choosing which orthogonal direction is pressed first is frustrating, but for space+vowel pairs, which are diagonal-like, it's trivial) < 1775154405 666105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :did you figure out how number mode should work? < 1775154439 658862 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :D-pad is 1 at the top clockwise to 8 at the top left; 0 is top face button, 9 is top-left face button pair < 1775154507 714493 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then the rest of the face buttons are punctuation, clockwise from 0 it's = + × . ÷ − < 1775154519 928888 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(sorry for the delay, took me a while to find the minus sign as it isn't on my keyboard) < 1775154601 54505 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one good thing about this is that a) you can use it as the input method for a simple calculator, b) you can do obvious substitutions to use it as a means of typing phone numbers (# for =, * for ×, a hyphen-minus rather than a minus, and + can appear in phone numbers too) < 1775154685 806086 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now, the great thing about this is that if you hold shift + number, you get punctuation marks and those can basically match those on a qwerty keyboard < 1775154720 467649 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@ where 2 appears, # for 3, $ for 4, % for 5, ^ for 6, & for 7, * for 8 < 1775154737 671426 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 is an exception (because ! is already on the basic punctuation wheel), I think shift-1 is ~ in my scheme < 1775154788 571176 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shift+number+face buttons does brackets ()[]{}<> < 1775154863 255148 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :bye! < 1775154867 214922 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and doing space + face button in that order (rather than face button + space) gives you (from the right clockwise) _\|/–`"' which is extremely easy to remember as they all point to the middle of the wheel < 1775154869 578971 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bye Yayimhere49 < 1775154879 327730 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775154928 253908 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this is the whole of ASCII – if there's a character I've missed, it goes where / was on the paste I linked earlier (because / is now on space+button rather than button+space) < 1775154980 239071 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nope, just checked my keyboard and it's all there < 1775155031 246356 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I haven't implemented this and I haven't tested it out on an actual controller yet either < 1775155065 529886 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1775155069 7654 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was also considering having a press of shift on its own be caps lock, likewise a press of numshift on its own be numlock, but am not sure I like that < 1775155092 66968 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :almost all modern controllers have the back triggers as pressure-sensitive so it might depend on how hard you press them < 1775155124 467017 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(amazingly, you can actually read even that information from a web page) < 1775155226 186527 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some controllers went overboard and had all the buttons pressure-sensitive, but it is specifically the back triggers on the current consensus controller design (and they are normally designed to have a big travel range and to let you feel how much pressure you're applying, unlike the other button-like controls) < 1775155262 610981 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejËŒdÉ›nbÉ < 1775155270 225437 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :morning! < 1775155277 989826 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hold on, I think you haven't defined what the 16 combinations of space with vowel stick gives < 1775155297 98980 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :morning aadenboy (although it's actually evening for me) < 1775155316 281126 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well good evening to you then < 1775155405 909775 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I see, that's what gives slash and backslash < 1775155415 976293 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: _\|/–`"' if you press space first, and the punctuation from before (?;.,-/!:) if you press the vowel first < 1775155425 459850 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I was planning to replace / with something else < 1775155445 859639 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :could easily be a non-ASCII character, maybe it should be a compose key? < 1775155492 174172 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the vowel-first /, that is, not the one that's in a nicely symmetrical location < 1775155616 817467 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wanted a compose key as it's one of the most mnemonic possible ways to extend the character repertoire < 1775155773 83206 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On regular keyboards, I always bind the menu key as the compose key, and it's annoying to me how many smaller form-factor keyboards (including laptops) just omit that key, possibly to fit in a `fn` key that's hardwaristically wired (well, probably firmwaristically in practice, but still) and therefore impossible to use for other purposes. < 1775155797 326275 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: on this laptop, it's on fn + right ctrl < 1775155829 386638 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have bought a new laptop but haven't really started using it yet, that one has multiple questionable keys on the keyboard, but the right ctrl key is replaced by a Copilot key (and menu is Fn+Copilot) < 1775155852 386408 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this seems obviously less useful than a ctrl key, but I think Microsoft must have substantially subsidised the price with the advertising < 1775155865 455487 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm using altgr + the (single, left) windows key for compose on this laptop, which is not incredibly convenient to press. < 1775155874 693120 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Ubuntu 24.04 is apparently unable to see the key at all) < 1775155880 894006 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But that's a good point, I should see if fn + some other key is perhaps a menu key. < 1775155884 228326 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use caps lock as control on this layout < 1775155892 379653 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and shift-shift as caps lock) < 1775155897 385749 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* caps lock as compose < 1775155915 686506 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bad typo, because caps lock as control is a reasonable configuration that is common among Emacs users, it just isn't mine < 1775155940 581870 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do end up typoing shift-shift occasionally, so maybe caps lock should be something that's harder to press, but it works most of the time < 1775155959 540063 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, the default binding for compose used to be shift-altgr and yet that doesn't seem to work nowadays – I wonder what changed? < 1775156039 934658 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds like those television remotes with a youtube and a disney button < 1775156055 971530 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :My current keyboard has two keys labeled "esc" (a black one and a red one), because it came with a rather limited set of keycaps, and the red esc is the closest I could think of for the pause/break key (which I use as a shortcut for locking the screen, something you do when you need a break). < 1775156104 668010 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Chromebooks used to, and maybe still do, have an Assistant key. Maybe it's a Gemini key now? < 1775156120 97968 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I bound the caps-lock+tab keys to caps lock at one point < 1775156120 826919 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I was concerned at first until I realised it was just a keyboard button (not sure what sequence it sends), the Microsoft documentation says that if you don't have Copilot set up it opens Bing < 1775156148 973896 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: heh, that also seems somewhat easy to typo, although it'd be a different nature of typo than the one that produces shift-shift < 1775156189 602827 :aadenboy|2!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejËŒdÉ›nbÉ < 1775156191 906229 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use Ubuntu's default of Ctrl-Alt-L as a screen lock sequence (although thinking about it, it's weird that it doesn't start with Super, given that it's a global shortcut) < 1775156224 675369 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Surveying three Chromebook models, two do appear to have a "G" key (with the Google G logo), which I imagine _must_ do something Gemini-related now (by default). < 1775156252 106231 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the really weird thing about the new laptop is that it appears to have a "snipping tool" button (which is Windows's built-in screenshot program) in addition to PrtSc, and pressing it appears to send a chord rather than being programmed as a separate key < 1775156254 602178 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1775156294 906304 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would have preferred home/end/pgup/pgdn buttons, which it doesn't really have (although they are as usual available on the numpad if you turn numlock off) < 1775156398 914787 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :This keyboard's keycap set included one key that has, like, a square with a diagonal through it, and two small crosses at the other two corners, which I'm using as a PrtSc key, because it kind of looks like a rectangle selection tool, but I don't know if that's the intended meaning or not. < 1775156402 9802 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: so in the rules of Yugioh, you can sort-of activate two trap cards at once, but have to give the opponent a chance to do something in between (and the action they take might stop the second one activating) < 1775156433 754171 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but after activating one, if they do nothing, you can activate the second and then they will both resolve together (in the reverse of the order you activated them, but nothing can happen in between) < 1775156481 526402 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that's very similar to the snipping tool button on my new laptop's keyboard (which doesn't have the diagonal, it's a square with a cross at the top-left and bottom-right corner) < 1775156496 796119 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, more of a rectangle actually, but close to square < 1775156585 135246 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Internet seems to suggest it is indeed the Keychron standard screenshot symbol. > 1775157243 288621 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gur yvsr14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178894&oldid=178138 5* 03Placeholding 5* (+42) 10 < 1775158548 483789 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775159658 193129 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1775159667 192734 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1775159826 336988 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1775159861 241648 :aadenboy|2!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 NICK :aadenboy < 1775160470 636490 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1775161765 223900 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejËŒdÉ›nbÉ < 1775161773 171542 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :forgot I was connected < 1775162062 223938 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1775162213 803714 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejËŒdÉ›nbÉ < 1775162388 846580 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1775162549 813575 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, my post title was a deliberate joke about how it's not possible to actually activate two trap cards in a single motion. Like hitting two birds with one stone, to use an earlier snowclone. < 1775165432 66766 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 QUIT :Quit: goodbye for now! back another day < 1775166677 546131 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We've been told we now have to say "feeding two birds with one cone", for sensitivity reasons. < 1775169882 341096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1775173401 178479 :ajal!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement