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peer). 05:33:42 -!- moony has joined. 05:37:14 -!- iovoid has joined. 05:38:02 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 05:40:28 [[Mtcm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178919&oldid=178873 * BODOKE2801e * (+1727) 07:09:46 [[Kind n' Single]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178920&oldid=166784 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+24) /* System */ 07:14:34 [[Kind n' Single]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178921&oldid=178920 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+64) /* System */ 07:46:45 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:48:36 [[Kind n' Single]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178922&oldid=178921 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+151) /* System */ 08:03:43 [[Div]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178923 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1806) Created page with "'''Div''', named after divided and the divine comedy, is an Esoteric Programming Language created by [[User:Yayimhere]], based mainly on string prefixes, and [[An Odd Rewriting System]], specifically in the concept of "Definitions". == Syntax == A program is in 08:05:12 [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178924&oldid=178918 * Yoyolin0409 * (+6) /* Command Table */ 08:05:43 [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178925&oldid=178924 * Yoyolin0409 * (-104) /* Note */ 08:08:03 [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178926&oldid=178925 * Yoyolin0409 * (-81) /* Examples */ 08:10:47 [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178927&oldid=178926 * Yoyolin0409 * (-10) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */ 08:11:19 [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178928&oldid=178927 * Yoyolin0409 * (-1) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */ 08:16:46 [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178929&oldid=178928 * Yoyolin0409 * (+61) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */ 08:18:02 [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178930&oldid=178929 * Yoyolin0409 * (+22) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */ 08:19:57 [[Septem Lingua]] 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https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178938&oldid=178937 * Yoyolin0409 * (+17) /* brainfuck interpreter */ 08:35:01 [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178939&oldid=178938 * Yoyolin0409 * (+0) /* brainfuck interpreter */ 09:03:37 [[Div]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178940&oldid=178923 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+127) 09:34:13 ais523: there's also the flag semaphore code, which is designed to be signaled by an unaided human with a flag held in each hand. you can hold each flag in any of eight directions, though which flag is which doesn't matter, so there are only 36 possible signals. some people already know this one, so for them it might work as an input method on two d-pads on a controller if you can relyably input the 09:34:19 eight directions. 10:02:17 [[File:SHSM down arrow for guide signs.png]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178941&oldid=174453 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (-35) Blanked the page 10:04:12 [[Mtcm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178942&oldid=178919 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+9) stille a stub, doesnt really describe its memory or how the state changing works. 10:11:50 [[Emojifunge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178943&oldid=142226 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+8) 10:18:55 [[Lorem Ipsum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178944&oldid=175833 * Gggfr * (+4) /* Full width commands */ 10:41:19 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:50:27 [[Talk:Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178945&oldid=71651 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+590) /* TMMLPTEALPAITANFNFAL */ new section 10:51:08 [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178946&oldid=178939 * Yoyolin0409 * (+16) /* Preprocessors */ 11:01:02 -!- Yayimhere has joined. 11:01:06 hi! 11:01:18 how are you all doing 11:04:51 hi 11:04:55 I'm a bit tired, as usual, but otherwise OK 11:05:02 nice. 11:05:09 also a bit distracted, there's lots of programming I need to do but I'm having trouble actually making my mind up to do it 11:06:44 same, I have an interpreter to complete but 11:45:34 [[Lorem Ipsum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178947&oldid=178944 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+39) /* Demonstration */ 11:57:17 -!- Yayimhere has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 12:24:08 Hah! Was testing the wiki question-answerer after some code changes with my default test question ("Who invented Befunge?"), and somehow the MediaWiki search for "Befunge creator" (extracted search term) returned `Euclid`, `Dotlang` and `HQ9funge` as the best matches for that question. 12:24:13 So the model dutifully used those as context and proclaimed: "Befunge was created by User:Andrew3335. The article states that Dotlang was “partially derivative of befunge,” indicating Andrew3335 was also the creator of Befunge." 12:24:47 That's... not exactly how it works. But it definitely needs a better search (which might be a valuable thing to have in its own right anyway). 12:24:59 (On a later attempt it did switch the search query to "Befunge inventor", which does get `Funge-98` as the only search result, which makes it give the correct answer.) 12:25:58 -!- tromp has joined. 12:28:20 [[Lorem Ipsum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178948&oldid=178947 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+377) /* Examples */ 12:50:56 [[Dangermouse]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178949 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+30) Redirected page to [[David Morgan-Mar]] 12:50:56 -!- impomatic has joined. 13:02:57 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 13:11:18 -!- tromp has joined. 13:19:25 MediaWiki search works best when you're searching for a single noun, I think (rather than multiple nouns that would have to appear on the same page) 13:19:44 the search term for that should just be "Befunge", not "Befunge creator" 13:22:27 I tried to prompt the search term extraction to prefer single nouns, but it decided to search for "Mark Russinengo" instead. :) 13:23:17 And of course it didn't find any results, so it had to answer without wiki context, and produced: "Befunge was invented by Stefan Gustav Adolf Johannesson in 1993." 13:23:23 (Interesting that it got the year right.) 13:24:19 ah yes, the famous mean inventor name 13:24:28 that's a bizarre level of AI decision-making 13:25:53 zero search engine results for Mark Russinengo if you insist on the spelling of the surname, that's impressive 13:26:28 But it does look like a plausible name, so it must be real. 13:26:44 You just have to BELIEVE. 13:28:33 LLM output is after all optimised for looking plausible 13:29:59 I would not have used the word "decision making" though I suppose it does not, technically, imply any sort of careful deliberation. 13:30:07 or term, whatever 13:32:50 it is still making decisions, it just isn't making them very well 13:33:24 if you think about it, all an LLM does is decide which token comes next 13:36:31 `le/rn token anxiety/Tokens participating in a Markov chain often get nervous while waiting for their turn to shine. This is called token anxiety. 13:36:33 Usage: `le/[/]rn // 13:36:44 `le/rn token anxiety//Tokens participating in a Markov chain often get nervous while waiting for their turn to shine. This is called token anxiety. 13:36:48 Learned 'token anxiety': Tokens participating in a Markov chain often get nervous while waiting for their turn to shine. This is called token anxiety. 13:41:06 Next two attempts: search for Andrew S. Smith, invented by Jürg Steiner; search for Steve Russell, invented by Daniel Grünfeld. 13:41:24 -!- dragoneater67 has joined. 13:42:36 (And search for Whittington, invented by Jarko Määttänen.) 13:43:23 I have been planning to try out one of those text-embedding cosine-distance semantic search approaches, though I'm a little doubtful as to how well that'll work on esolang content either. 13:50:54 oh, I bet it's guessing at the answer and using that as a search term 13:51:00 rather than trying to pick a search term from the question 13:51:41 XZ problem (where, instead of asking Y, you jump straight to the conclusion, Z) 13:53:22 I just realized while it was a _little_ more silly than even I would have expected. 13:53:58 Previously I was using a lower-level library to run inference, and so my prompts included the markers the Gemma instruction-tuned variant uses to indicate the turns and roles (user, model). 13:54:35 But I switched to a different thing to run it on the GPU, which handles the prompting syntax for me, so it had those all doubled. 13:55:58 -!- amby has joined. 13:58:15 int-e: I thought an XZ problem was when you have collaborators gaslighting you into accepting suspicious opaque binaries into the project's test data *ducks* 13:58:17 On the other hand, now that it does correctly land on the search query "Befunge", it gets confused by the rather long article about Befunge instead. 13:59:02 FireFly: that's good too 14:00:49 FireFly: it was more than just collaborators, the attacker actually maintained xz in a nonmalicious way for about 2 years in order to build up trust 14:01:02 yeah, that is true 14:01:33 I just wanted to compress it into a short line to make the reference obvious enough :p 14:11:25 [[Codesh ()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178950&oldid=178851 * StavWasPlayZ * (-18) Add compiler implementation 14:13:06 [[Codesh ()]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178951&oldid=178950 * StavWasPlayZ * (+1) 14:38:27 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…). 17:13:22 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * TheZwierz * New user account 17:19:51 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178953&oldid=178864 * TheZwierz * (+196) /* Introductions */ 17:21:13 -!- tromp has joined. 17:43:47 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * TheLeviathan * New user account 18:10:23 [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178954&oldid=174843 * SuperSMG5 * (+557) i added another idea 18:45:19 -!- b_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:46:58 -!- b_jonas has joined. 18:57:19 -!- b_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:58:38 -!- b_jonas has joined. 19:08:35 [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178955&oldid=178954 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+218) /* General Ideas */ 19:08:43 -!- b_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:30:55 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:38:51 -!- Yayimhere has joined. 19:39:01 hi(again? I cant remember) 19:39:52 how are you all doing at this time 19:39:54 Howdy. 19:40:02 ho korvo! 19:40:05 *hi 19:42:07 recently I had an idea of a language that when given itself as input in Stdin, its returns itself, however for any other input it doesn't. it isn't that interesting on its own I guess, but I think something interesting could be made from it, with some secondary idea attached to it 19:44:20 i was thinking of making it a Crab's Jukebox style language, where the program reads its program as if it was the record 19:46:26 Yayimhere: I saw that on the list of ideas 19:46:48 in korvo-language that would be "each function definable in the language is its own only fixed point" 19:47:03 yea, I know 19:47:23 also surprising that you saw it so quick 19:47:30 maybe I shouldn't be that surprised though 19:47:54 it feels like the sort of problem where either it's impossible, or there's some trick to make it possible but that isn't very interesting (along the lines of languages which are quine-free onyl because the print statement doesn't work if it would output something that matches the source code) 19:48:04 Hm, through some sort of structure? Or just as an axiom? 19:48:28 I tend to look at your (Yayimhere's) edits faster than other people's because they're more likely to be interesting 19:48:51 oh huh 19:48:59 i assume that is a compliment right? 19:49:08 in your case yes 19:49:13 thanks! 19:49:15 Yeah, exactly. Or flip it. You could always have each function store some sort of copy of itself, and the function detects that copy; otherwise, all functions have to *not* have fixed points. That's easier than it sounds. 19:49:29 some edits are likely to need admin attention and those I also look at more quickly, but that's less of a positive 19:49:35 yea 19:50:12 korvo: i was thinking of making the programs be some sort text reader that skips certain parts of text, or re-read some, based on some sort of syntax defined in the program 19:50:22 then this would be restricted in such a way that 19:50:29 it has the wanted property 19:51:22 now I'm thinking along the lines of "language which always maps 0 to 0" and then you xor the input and output with the source code 19:51:33 huh 19:52:06 I think I'll go sit with some paper tomorrow to make it a little easier to think about(which is a thing ive begun doing) 19:52:52 but I am certainly interested in peoples solutions 19:53:03 and now I'm thinking about https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/175365/transformers-in-disguise-cops-thread which is sort-of related (it's a series of challenges along the lines of "a program that was given itself as input outputted string X, given any other input it would output something else, find the program" under a size limit to try to ensure that there's only one solution) 19:53:25 huh, that is creetinaly reelated 19:53:28 *related 19:53:38 ugh, but it has a lot more adverts than it used to, I'd recommend using an ad blocker 19:54:05 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 19:54:10 I dont actually know if safari has such things as extentions(and thereby Ad blockers) 19:54:55 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:55:36 ive gotten used to just ignore ads at this point 19:56:58 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 20:01:25 ill go read that thread later, thanks for showing it to me 20:18:32 -!- b_jonas has joined. 20:31:32 -!- zzo38 has joined. 20:43:09 Some ads can be avoided by disabling JavaScripts, and by some other stuff, so a specialized ad blocker is not necessarily needed 20:47:01 true 20:47:05 also hello! 20:50:07 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:50:29 -!- zzo38 has joined. 20:53:37 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 21:14:56 -!- Yayimhere has quit (Quit: Client closed). 22:12:53 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:14:32 -!- lynndotpy6093627 has quit (Quit: bye bye). 22:15:56 -!- lynndotpy6093627 has joined. 22:42:47 -!- aadenboy has joined. 22:42:52 afternoon 22:43:21 I should connect to here more frequently.... 22:52:39 helo! [sic] 23:02:19 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: Client closed). 23:20:21 can't wait for 2027 where my user page is a whole 20 pages long or something 23:20:31 just dense full of tables 23:43:32 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…).