< 1775004427 194719 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775005593 367306 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775014319 490283 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :One use of the transactional file system of computer design I had mentioned is that you might be able to back up the entire system while it is in use < 1775016367 291026 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I believe that CPU instruction sets should not have an instruction that evaluates a polynomial, does that make me anti-VAX? < 1775021929 165772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775023362 471634 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1775024895 979772 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1775025846 703133 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths > 1775027529 952610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ByteByteIfJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178804&oldid=174127 5* 03Timm 5* (+4) 10 > 1775027906 88058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RFCEsolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178805&oldid=178794 5* 03Nst021 5* (+124) 10 > 1775028397 785688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178806&oldid=178407 5* 03Qpx5997 5* (+743) 10 > 1775028544 116459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178807&oldid=178806 5* 03Qpx5997 5* (+15) 10 > 1775031824 641722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178808&oldid=178770 5* 03Dulph 5* (+153) 10 > 1775031829 683962 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Calculator14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178809 5* 03Dulph 5* (+237) 10Created page with "==Missing labels== This page seems to miss a description of Calculator labels and the a.? example (even though it is used in the truth machine code). Anyone knows where this could be found ? -[[User:Dulph|Dulph]] 8:21 01 April 2026 (UTC)" < 1775032341 620634 :dulph!~dulph@194.199.75.137 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dulph > 1775033182 57226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Calculator14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178810&oldid=178809 5* 03Dulph 5* (+14) 10 < 1775033865 885374 :dulph!~dulph@194.199.75.137 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775033895 987191 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1775039233 977972 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1775039280 929802 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Yfm73V6m/FastLang+Flow.mp3 < 1775039287 352248 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: < 1775039319 511736 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: ? < 1775039994 986333 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :fastlang flow dot mp3 korvo < 1775040003 304796 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :how many languages have their own song < 1775040014 295441 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :all my languages have songs < 1775040016 555486 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Dunno. That's more of an operating-system thing, really. < 1775040517 700267 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some languages have poems, now that I think about it. < 1775040766 449394 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lTV3SRiS/444.jpg < 1775041530 425363 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: BTW I blogged about vibecoding: https://gist.github.com/MostAwesomeDude/560185c24f959f6fec229739cb5a6735 tl;dr: Vibecoding cannot produce Naur theories, so cannot produce working codebases. < 1775042395 929002 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: true < 1775042411 427984 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/e9ytIGHt/Fastlang.mp3 < 1775042492 472725 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo when I use ai for code I do four things 1. ask it for advice. 2. carefully prompt it for a single well written line of code not an entire code base 3. ask it to document my undocumented code 4. ask it to explain error messages < 1775042547 649435 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay. None of those are good ideas to me, but I understand why people do them. < 1775042563 661247 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In particular, I understand why people would ask any of these things of coworkers, and I understand that the ELIZA effect is very powerful. < 1775043228 765303 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :does Qt4-flavoured C++ count as a (domain-specific) language? :p < 1775043259 483977 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s -- qt4 dance) < 1775044199 647406 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1775047056 995517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Adj14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178811&oldid=178793 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+224) 10Improved the command table formatting in such a way as to prevent the operand patterns from line wraps. < 1775047807 84282 :cactushead!~cactus_he@2403-580d-b040-0-1942-774d-f8a8-6392.ip6.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1775047838 215804 :cactushead!~cactus_he@2403-580d-b040-0-1942-774d-f8a8-6392.ip6.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs cactushead :cactus head < 1775050588 797034 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1775052318 20915 :cactushead!~cactus_he@2403-580d-b040-0-1942-774d-f8a8-6392.ip6.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1775052472 232394 :cactushead!~cactus_he@2403-580d-b040-0-1942-774d-f8a8-6392.ip6.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs cactushead :cactus head < 1775053466 850011 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :currently I have a rate of 0% useful answers when asking LLMs questions, both on topics I know and on topics I don't know < 1775053479 152435 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :half the time the answer is wrong and useless, the other half it is right but useless < 1775053787 540336 :cactushead!~cactus_he@2403-580d-b040-0-1942-774d-f8a8-6392.ip6.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1775053815 142070 :cactushead!~cactus_he@2403-580d-b040-0-1942-774d-f8a8-6392.ip6.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs cactushead :cactus head < 1775054376 434864 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: is 0 better or worse than NaN? < 1775054377 17581 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e:/ principle included in these beds, might be driven out both at top and bottom. may not those naturalists who believe in/ body, for they were proportionally with those :)/ > 1775054952 680880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Reversable14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178812 5* 03Dulph 5* (+1519) 10Created the page about Reversable (language was fully created today) > 1775055104 173039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Reversable/Python Implementation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178813 5* 03Dulph 5* (+2132) 10Created page > 1775055125 95092 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Reversable/Python Implementation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178814&oldid=178813 5* 03Dulph 5* (+1) 10 > 1775055206 777137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Reversable14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178815&oldid=178812 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-12) 10/* Commands */ > 1775055445 225829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178816&oldid=178766 5* 03Dulph 5* (+17) 10/* R */ Added the Reversable language, since page just got created < 1775055922 849697 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe not a question to ask Darwin. < 1775055924 787856 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style irc < 1775055924 869486 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1775055965 19449 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I couldn't estimate a percentage for myself, but it's definitely greater than zero. < 1775056919 140059 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775056935 921946 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo > 1775057049 23335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178817 5* 03Dulph 5* (+2916) 10Created page > 1775057180 907807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable/Python Implementation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178818 5* 03Dulph 5* (+2184) 10Created page with "Original (and ugly) implementation of [[2D-Reversable]] by [[User:Dulph]] class BiReversableError(Exception): pass prog = input() prog.replace("\t","") prog=prog.split("\n") endProg = [] for i in prog: endProg.append(i.split(" ")) > 1775057273 593855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178819&oldid=178816 5* 03Dulph 5* (+20) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ Added 2D-Reversable language > 1775058062 473038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178820&oldid=174565 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+30) 10Fix > 1775058722 964511 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178821&oldid=178817 5* 03Dulph 5* (+2) 10Corrected a typo < 1775060205 765449 :userU32!~userU32@95.39.88.95 JOIN #esolangs * :userU32 < 1775060520 74299 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1775061094 580428 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178822&oldid=170307 5* 03Zlfp 5* (+9) 10added stub > 1775061479 133961 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable 214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178823 5* 03Dulph 5* (+3276) 10Created page > 1775061498 327397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable 214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178824&oldid=178823 5* 03Dulph 5* (-1) 10 > 1775061641 580532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable 2/Python Implementation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178825 5* 03Dulph 5* (+2300) 10Created page > 1775061664 840766 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Macroplace14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178826&oldid=170311 5* 03Zlfp 5* (+9) 10 > 1775061674 465002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178827&oldid=178819 5* 03Dulph 5* (+22) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ Added 2D-Reversable 2 > 1775061774 258983 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spore14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178828&oldid=170783 5* 03Zlfp 5* (+9) 10 > 1775061810 769548 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dulph14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178829 5* 03Dulph 5* (+174) 10Created page > 1775062149 209991 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Thiswasnotdevelopedbythisuser14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178830 5* 03Zlfp 5* (+169) 10creation > 1775062281 797948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Assembler14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178831&oldid=170309 5* 03Zlfp 5* (+35) 10added warning > 1775062326 777712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Katmilijardie 5* 10New user account > 1775062345 196415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AddByte14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178832&oldid=172517 5* 03Zlfp 5* (+10) 10 > 1775062373 758875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Memory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178833&oldid=172518 5* 03Zlfp 5* (+10) 10 < 1775062396 902585 :userU32!~userU32@95.39.88.95 PART :#esolangs > 1775062687 936278 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AddByteJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178834&oldid=172519 5* 03Zlfp 5* (+167) 10 > 1775062801 9628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Function V14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178835&oldid=177069 5* 03Zlfp 5* (+9) 10 > 1775063542 939043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178836 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+1370) 10whatever. go my scarab! > 1775063613 60817 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mhm!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178837 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+362) 10Created page with "this was originally meant to be an April Fools' joke but it turned into a possible tarpit ~~~~" > 1775064011 971715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178838&oldid=178785 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+526) 10add [[Mhm!]] > 1775064037 493945 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/randomesolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178839&oldid=174965 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+9) 10add [[Mhm!]] > 1775064103 861052 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178840&oldid=176249 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+190) 10/* Mhm! */ add [[Mhm!]] (haha three of my languages in a row) < 1775064856 417342 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1775064915 938272 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1775065278 766445 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Assembler14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178841&oldid=178831 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-35) 10what? > 1775065763 51345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178842&oldid=178836 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+369) 10Infobox proglang > 1775065774 952111 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Countable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178843&oldid=178784 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+10) 10add [[Mhm!]] > 1775066116 976467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of esolang file extensions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178844&oldid=177858 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+19) 10add [[Mhm!]] < 1775067166 839445 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1775068037 341008 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775068452 643888 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1775068543 152398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable 214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178845&oldid=178824 5* 03Dulph 5* (+39) 10Fixed errors > 1775068570 757321 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178846&oldid=178821 5* 03Dulph 5* (+1) 10Fixed a mistake > 1775068681 365460 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable 214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178847&oldid=178845 5* 03Dulph 5* (+24) 10Made more clear the association values-direction < 1775068962 591190 :dbohdan3!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN #esolangs dbohdan :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1775068973 869490 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1775070793 419721 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1775072535 344112 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Saji782015 but active 5* 10New user account > 1775072689 947429 PRIVMSG #esolangs 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621743 :Zymbol-Lang!~Zymbol-La@2803:c180:2100:6705:b9eb:feed:81c8:99b2 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Zymbol-Lang < 1775077817 796435 :Zymbol-Lang!~Zymbol-La@2803:c180:2100:6705:b9eb:feed:81c8:99b2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello, I'm interested in publishing the wiki for my new language, Zymbol-Lang, but I haven't been able to because of permission issues. < 1775077818 296466 :Zymbol-Lang!~Zymbol-La@2803:c180:2100:6705:b9eb:feed:81c8:99b2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :www.zymbol-lang.org || https://github.com/zymbol-lang > 1775079171 339441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07G Sharp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178849&oldid=177581 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-16) 10/* Cat program */ < 1775079252 729997 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Zymbol-Lang: Did you read the directions when you registered your account? < 1775079516 714470 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Zymbol-Lang: Also, since it looks like you're using a lot of generative-chatbot output in your work, please read [[esolang:copyright]] and [[esolang:help]] before getting started with editing. > 1775079829 853610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178850&oldid=177227 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+21) 10/* Microsoft (yes that is their actual name) */ > 1775080053 214823 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178851&oldid=178586 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+4) 10 < 1775080748 374180 :Everything!~Everythin@172-232-54-192.ip.linodeusercontent.com JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1775081802 151761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1775081966 123733 :cactushead!~cactus_he@2403-580d-b040-0-1942-774d-f8a8-6392.ip6.aussiebb.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1775082290 262552 :cactushead!~cactus_he@2403-580d-b040-0-1942-774d-f8a8-6392.ip6.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs cactushead :cactus head < 1775082762 783259 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1775084117 301410 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Quit: i quit < 1775087017 287884 :Everything!~Everythin@172-232-54-192.ip.linodeusercontent.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1775090502 801325 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1775092807 989631 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement > 1775093874 148578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Adj14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178852&oldid=178811 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+0) 10Rectified the level for the Interpreter section header. < 1775095545 994807 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1775098008 831921 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :"He is also credited with the discovery of Girard's paradox, linear logic, the geometry of interaction, ludics, and (satirically) the mustard watch.[1]" < 1775098018 9209 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :This sentence reads like tanebventions. < 1775099516 363076 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: I thought about it a little, and I have to ask whether FMA counts as Horner's rule. Like, is FMA enough to evaluate polynomials? Or does it have to include a loop? < 1775100142 674225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The original includes a loop: "POLY evaluates a polynomial, given the degree, the argument, and a pointer to a table of coefficients." < 1775100778 318402 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose the degree is just the length of the table. Or maybe there's something interesting that can be done by passing a smaller degree. < 1775102991 304684 :svm!~msv@user/msv JOIN #esolangs msv :msv < 1775103209 974319 :msv!~msv@user/msv QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1775107184 602999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1775107220 960970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Zymbol-Lang: the best way to write about something that's copyrighted is to write a separate, uncopyrighted summary of how the language works and link to the original < 1775107263 609924 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this is also good when writing about a language whose specification is too complicated to fit onto the wiki, e.g. some golfing languages have hundreds of commands, with behaviour complex enough that it's hard to define without reference to source code < 1775107265 125876 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :) < 1775107499 706244 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1775107552 667966 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sometimes you can write your own document which describes the same thing in a different way (e.g. I have written a public domain document about uxn, although it is not in esolang wiki) > 1775109373 208207 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07.mtcm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178853 5* 03BODOKE2801e 5* (+433) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=mtcm}} :''Note that it's spelled in lowercase, except usen in start of words'' '''Mtcm''' is a small [[esosteric language]] made by [[User:BODOKE2801e]] designed to be minimalist ==Syntax== It has all of commands, are >, < > 1775109556 960623 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* 10moved [[02.mtcm10]] to [[Mtcm]]: Move to correct title(idk why it was not in the first place, since its correct title is mtcm and that is not taken) > 1775109669 214234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mtcm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178856&oldid=178854 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-57) 10remove both notes at the top of the page(first one is no longer needed, second one I have moved to in parenthesis next to the title) < 1775110583 622717 :dulph!~dulph@2a02-842b-6161-4a01-79cf-8ea8-468b-73bc.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dulph > 1775111647 935080 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rimsky.Yamatov 5* 10New user account < 1775111987 470113 :Zymbol-Lang!~Zymbol-La@2803:c180:2100:6705:b9eb:feed:81c8:99b2 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775113039 537361 :dulph!~dulph@2a02-842b-6161-4a01-79cf-8ea8-468b-73bc.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775113622 253636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1775115328 981540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178857&oldid=178837 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+117) 10 < 1775118481 924108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1775120265 359784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mango14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178858&oldid=172914 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+2) 10/* Commands */ > 1775122525 196565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178859&oldid=178842 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+30) 10/* Memory */ explain a little clearer > 1775125287 406 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178860&oldid=178848 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+112) 10 > 1775125503 181429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178861&oldid=178741 5* 03PKMN Trainer 5* (+363) 10/* Syntax */ > 1775125679 920505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178862&oldid=178860 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+21) 10 > 1775125887 450601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178863&oldid=178862 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+1) 10 > 1775126438 575667 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178864&oldid=178863 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (-6) 10/* Introductions */ > 1775126603 527476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178865&oldid=178827 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+18) 10/* Z */ > 1775126618 788004 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178866&oldid=178865 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+0) 10/* Z */ < 1775127402 398366 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN #esolangs ski :Stefan Ljungstrand > 1775127766 537777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zymbol-Lang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178867 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+16303) 10Created page with "{{Infobox proglang |name = Zymbol-Lang |paradigms = [[Imperative]], [[Functional]], [[Procedural]] |author = [[User:Zymbol.Lang]] |year = 2026 |typesystem = [[Dynamic typing|Dynamic]] |memsystem = Automatic (Rust-managed) |class = [[Turing complete]] |reference > 1775128003 178109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178868&oldid=178861 5* 03PKMN Trainer 5* (+510) 10 > 1775128068 404653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zymbol-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178869&oldid=178867 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+50) 10 > 1775128483 817193 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zymbol-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178870&oldid=178869 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+1) 10/* Operators Reference */ > 1775128711 875573 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zymbol-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178871&oldid=178870 5* 03Zymbol.Lang 5* (+5) 10/* External Links */ > 1775129978 173296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mtcm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178872&oldid=178856 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+48) 10 > 1775129991 580779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mtcm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178873&oldid=178872 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (-1) 10 < 1775130072 237215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn The password of the month is G7$kL9#mQ2&xP4!w < 1775130076 506915 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is G7$kL9#mQ2&xP4!w < 1775130087 41177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(from https://www.irregular.com/publications/vibe-password-generation ) > 1775130189 263444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spore14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178874&oldid=178828 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+9) 10 < 1775130535 483176 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775130883 905658 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the LLM doesn't try to pick a strong password: it tries to pick whatever string looks most like a strong password, and of course there are only a few such strings < 1775130963 999975 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(at least given the probability distribution it embodies) < 1775131007 910976 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh I remember a joke that went like that... that to be secure, passwords shall satisfy certain criteria and that a team brute forced all the passwords to find that there's just one secure password, which has been distributed to all sysadmins to use for their users. < 1775131028 661435 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :From no later than 2000, I think. < 1775131085 339982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Anyway. I agree that this is not surprising. But it's amusing. < 1775131192 364890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It's not even specific to machines; people aren't great at randomness either. But each individual will have different preferences; we're not all using the same neural network with the same weights. ;-) ) < 1775131330 538043 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least for passwords that I don't need to memorise, I use an appropriate number of bytes from /dev/random encoded in a way that makes them printable < 1775131349 929333 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like I may as well randomize between all possible passwords of the correct length and encoding < 1775131356 90298 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a way that means there's no human bias involved < 1775131431 380613 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on one of my email accounts, my email client uses an apparently randomly generated password provided by the email account provider that's over a kilobyte long (I think they reasoned that as it was only being used by computers anyway they may as well make it completely impossible to brute-force, and went a little overbaord) < 1775131457 660120 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, I think I'm done with the shapez 2 early access version; https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-insane-fini.jpg is the final form of the hub (with make anything machines) for the time being. ("insane" isn't me; it's the name of the scenario/difficulty) < 1775131490 801710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(just in time too; 1.0 is supposed to be releasesd in 3 weeks) < 1775131590 123787 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at 1kb in size this better include some error correcting code to detect and repair bit errors < 1775131641 373759 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how it works technically, but now that you've mentioned it, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an error-correcting code in there somewhere (although of course you need to be careful with those when it comes to passwords) < 1775131774 558423 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah, yesterday's xkcd < 1775131875 782006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Hmm. Without JS, I shudder to think what would happen if I switched that on.) < 1775134139 134803 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1775134169 878953 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Quit: i quit < 1775138187 835507 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775138740 643015 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1775138983 31526 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178875&oldid=178504 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+682) 10/* Add a logo on Vector 2022 */ new section < 1775139079 364324 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775139111 693927 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1775139184 567065 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178876&oldid=174823 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-165) 10/* Basic information & introduction */ > 1775139231 534248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178877&oldid=178876 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-575) 10/* Extra information */ > 1775139236 966593 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178878&oldid=178877 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-289) 10/* Miscellaneous */ > 1775139244 659506 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178879&oldid=178878 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-40) 10/* Basic information & introduction */ > 1775139300 859617 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Manuever14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178880&oldid=145856 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+37) 10 > 1775139338 165630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Manuever14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178881&oldid=178880 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-107) 10/* Commands */ > 1775139485 868568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178882&oldid=174553 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+34) 10 > 1775139504 317815 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178883&oldid=178882 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+1) 10 > 1775139593 145163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:OfficialWatchOS7Alt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178884&oldid=178883 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-987) 10/* Portal */ > 1775139691 852541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178885&oldid=177824 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+370) 10/* Genuine question */ new section < 1775139871 148559 :ajal!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775139871 238453 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775140153 856161 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1775141896 214217 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1775144841 486979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zymbol-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178886&oldid=178871 5* 03Corbin 5* (-86) 10Fix categories and tag as slop. > 1775145968 364606 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178887&oldid=178885 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+178) 10/* Genuine question */ > 1775147465 894321 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178888&oldid=148920 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+535) 10/* List of candidates */ > 1775147479 950762 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178889&oldid=178888 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+6) 10/* List of candidates */ < 1775147955 621729 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775147966 861240 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi! How are you all doing today? < 1775148120 240718 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm alright. Tired of responding to vibecoders. < 1775148170 885889 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I must say that is a sensible respond < 1775148174 955814 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*response < 1775148264 968231 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there like an easy way to say the pair of characters that have an equal index in two different strings? < 1775148466 16967 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or I guess thats a way to say it > 1775148665 323802 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178890&oldid=178857 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+422) 10/* Negative indexed cells? */ > 1775148688 497236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178891&oldid=178859 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+1) 10 < 1775149082 417237 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: "corresponding positions in the strings", perhaps? < 1775149098 820027 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yea that makes sense < 1775149103 60895 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks! < 1775149154 288413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's one of those relationships that comes up sufficiently rarely that it's useful to give an example (but sufficiently often that I vaguely remember having faced the problem of unambiguously describing it before) < 1775149209 944831 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I've been practicing for code interviews, so I recognized std::mismatch: https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/algorithm/mismatch.html But I think "matching of elements from iterators" doesn't quite flow as well. < 1775149221 3555 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775149483 658884 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it strikes me that LLMs are probably good at coming up with plausible interview questions, because producing plausible-looking things is what they are best at; I don't know whether or not those questions would be good practice for actual interview questions, though < 1775149507 511244 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm. I think I may have come up with an interesting idea for a language < 1775149647 147407 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775149673 563917 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, the program is made up of a set of axioms and then an expression < 1775149702 278090 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then it kinda multithreads the program by making a program thread with eevery expression that is equal to the original one < 1775149711 135765 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then this happens to the branches < 1775150042 451629 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are the axioms specifying which expressions are equal? < 1775150084 105032 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if so, I think this sort of algorithm is mathematically studied a lot – this is basically "mathematical nondeterminism" in that you are trying all possibilities for your string-rewriting or tree-rewriting < 1775150121 229782 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :parsers are often mathematically formalised like that (although a sensible parser wouldn't actually be implemented like that) < 1775150129 186313 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: https://github.com/samwho/llmwalk This is vibecoded but the underlying maths is reasonable. I implemented a version of this for exploring prompts on local models. < 1775150166 91321 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Basically, instead of committing to a single stem during beam search, do a summation over all popular tokens and show the resulting partition down to like 1% likelihood. < 1775150192 40894 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yea < 1775150210 268462 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i hadet heard of that, thanks! < 1775150274 194485 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think maybe the mathematical object you want is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_grammar (this inspired the programming language Thue but the key detail, of trying all possibilities in parallel, got lost along the way) < 1775150275 583267 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*hadn't < 1775150286 806337 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the description might be too mathematical to be helpful < 1775150305 668335 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no I think I get it < 1775150317 100995 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its not precisely my idea but its pretty close < 1775150332 625146 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1775150344 325786 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the axioms themselves would pretty much be the same as in Fak: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fak < 1775150349 425242 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which has brackets builtin < 1775150354 964690 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :your idea likely also uses mathematical nondeterminism but in a different way < 1775150362 449446 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775150404 847033 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, will be /away for a bit to get food (and will be busy later) < 1775150412 165576 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps having symbols affect some other expression, that then also branches and the becomes the memory expression of the one it branched "onto" < 1775150415 462380 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bye! < 1775150728 255447 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: The general idea of proof search is very old. Gödel, who showed that it's not computable to write a proof in general, also imagined that it would be very expensive to search for a proof. I think that you can imagine why; we call it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branching_factor < 1775150772 571297 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is where P vs NP comes from, at least to me. A P machine can verify a proof. To do that, it starts at the axioms, applies each step of the proof, and checks whether the final result is equal to the desired theorem. < 1775150812 617816 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BTW, in a modern string-rewriter like Metamath, that check is literal string equality. Like, "x, y" != "y, x" or "lambda x: x" != "lambda y: y". Every variable has to match exactly. < 1775150852 133417 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, an NP machine could search for a proof. To do that, it starts at the axioms, *nondeterministically* applies each step of the proof, and *nondeterministically* checks whether the current step is equal to the desired theorem. < 1775150892 343556 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But, do NP machines exist? And after nearly a century, our current hunch is P != NP. Moreover, we think that physics won't give us an NP machine. < 1775151709 628547 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1775151860 634316 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775151937 432462 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1775151955 47416 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello somefan < 1775151994 477849 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Morning. < 1775152037 630412 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:8ce4:624c:89b4:fd82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775152343 267270 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm. Now, ive come up with another(quite simple) idea < 1775152359 89046 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, multiple terminals? Where code is located to specific terminals < 1775152374 380471 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :so like you have one section of the program that only reads one of them < 1775152383 106702 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :and another reading and writing to another < 1775152391 837915 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :*Reads and writes < 1775152423 510001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :b_jonas < 1775152495 365308 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. That's basically the Internet. < 1775152510 350613 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :true < 1775152521 740342 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :somehow I hadn't thought of that before < 1775152580 190840 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe when a section of code leaves a specific console and another enters, the output of thee last is read as input for the new < 1775152770 399539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: re shapez preview, how many different shapes is that trying to deliver to the hub at the same type? < 1775152771 794997 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a Perl script for fungot models where you give it the initial context, and then it generates N sample responses for the same context, but it doesn't do that thing of trying to find the N most likely responses, that looks more interesting. < 1775152772 982 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: i think it will make that nicer < 1775152799 155644 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: I agree, but on the other hand is it really worth doing? < 1775152799 338759 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: heh scoping in assignation and blocks here > 1775153329 715985 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bad Apple In Deadfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178892 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+587) 10the entire code. < 1775153350 915201 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :Great < 1775153357 173887 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere49: my very first esolang, which I never released (or even fully specified) because it was so bad, was dataflow-based: parts of a program could only act on data immediately next to them > 1775153375 237467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bad Apple In Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178893&oldid=178892 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+9) 10/* Changes */ < 1775153378 30287 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: huh, cool < 1775153379 219168 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and would output data next to them ,too < 1775153380 931003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that like brainfuck? < 1775153388 347304 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, in BF the data is on the tape < 1775153397 658718 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in this, the data was effectively in the same grid as the source code < 1775153408 865040 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaahh < 1775153415 589783 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea that makes sense < 1775153422 379070 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is an interesting idea if you have it working in a massively-parallel way, like a cellular automaton < 1775153428 789986 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would love to see it done properly but I dont think I'd be able to do it < 1775153443 629837 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I didn't (due to lack of experience), it had an instruction pointer < 1775153452 518899 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is more or less just a waste of a good idea < 1775153478 47146 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that said, the cellular-automaton approach has been thoroughly explored now using actual 2D cellular automata – the Game of Life is the most studied) < 1775153505 546709 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775153561 706044 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was interested in the "wire-crossing problem" which a lot of early esolangers were already interested in, but in the end I concluded that the problem was likely badly defined and very hard to make rigorous in a way that made the problem actually interesting < 1775153589 418267 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775153589 458891 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, nobody could precisely define what the problem actually was < 1775153646 568006 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea, when I came across is(which, perhaps surprisingly I didnt before quite late into making esolangs) I was confused on how the definitions actuall wroekd out < 1775153674 566061 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the details of the language I remember are that each command was a 2×2 square of characters and the commands were placed onto a hex grid – I don't think I got as far as working out what the commands actually were < 1775153698 813956 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I think the IP didn't have a direction, just a position, and each command was responsible for moving it in the correct direction (that is probably what one of the characters in the square was going to be) < 1775153782 645222 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nowadays my esolangs often don't have explicit commands at all (and when they do it's often because I'm intentionally trying to leave a gap in the set of things they can collectively accomplish) < 1775153811 333509 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea true, I hadn't really thought of that < 1775153889 429709 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes I am surprised at how relatively simple https://esolangs.org/wiki/Feed_the_Chaos is, given how precisely targeted the computational class is < 1775153921 851073 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should propably read and understand feed the chaos at some point, I just haven't gotten to it lol < 1775153946 87812 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did once have the idea of trying to create a language that is string based, but equivalent to Feed the chaos < 1775153981 646877 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems to be a surprisingly common computational class, given that (as far as I know) it was only discovered a few years ago < 1775153992 928638 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh huh < 1775154045 687778 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for simple, I was just thinking that one of the reasons why Rubik's cube is such a great puzzle is that it feels nicely canonical. and also that there aren't too many popular puzzles like that. there's the puzzle to pack the 12 pentominos into a rectangle. < 1775154082 119461 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I have mixed feelings about that pentomino puzzle – a puzzle collection I own had that puzzle but with all possible sizes of rectangle < 1775154087 306737 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it was frustrating < 1775154095 727119 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I solved all or at least most of them eventually < 1775154118 579467 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* all possible shapes of rectangle, they are of course all the same size if you measure the area < 1775154122 780636 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: oh certainly, the narrow ones are way too frustrating, but 6×10 isn't < 1775154149 258831 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :3×20 has very few solutions, 2 IIRC < 1775154161 506259 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I kind-of liked 3×20 because it's an exercise in eliminating possibilities and logical deduction < 1775154181 986050 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't remember whether I ever actually found a solution < 1775154200 919276 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there is a lot of logic you can use to prove that certain pieces have to go in certain places, or at least rule it down to few possibilities < 1775154263 364712 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: did you get any development on the gamepad English text typing schemes since last time? < 1775154275 500173 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yes mentally but I didn't write any of it down < 1775154293 996105 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my plan was to use the back shoulder buttons/triggers as shift (on the left) and number (on the right) < 1775154333 587400 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then I assigned all of ASCII, plus a few more punctuation marks like ×, ÷, minus sign, dash, to the resulting maps < 1775154373 626201 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I decided to split the right shoulder + face buttons chords (which produce common punctuation marks) based on which you pressed first, to get 16 possibilities rather than 8 < 1775154394 603381 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1775154402 773965 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for diagonals, choosing which orthogonal direction is pressed first is frustrating, but for space+vowel pairs, which are diagonal-like, it's trivial) < 1775154405 666105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :did you figure out how number mode should work? < 1775154439 658862 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :D-pad is 1 at the top clockwise to 8 at the top left; 0 is top face button, 9 is top-left face button pair < 1775154507 714493 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then the rest of the face buttons are punctuation, clockwise from 0 it's = + × . ÷ − < 1775154519 928888 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(sorry for the delay, took me a while to find the minus sign as it isn't on my keyboard) < 1775154601 54505 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one good thing about this is that a) you can use it as the input method for a simple calculator, b) you can do obvious substitutions to use it as a means of typing phone numbers (# for =, * for ×, a hyphen-minus rather than a minus, and + can appear in phone numbers too) < 1775154685 806086 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now, the great thing about this is that if you hold shift + number, you get punctuation marks and those can basically match those on a qwerty keyboard < 1775154720 467649 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@ where 2 appears, # for 3, $ for 4, % for 5, ^ for 6, & for 7, * for 8 < 1775154737 671426 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 is an exception (because ! is already on the basic punctuation wheel), I think shift-1 is ~ in my scheme < 1775154788 571176 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shift+number+face buttons does brackets ()[]{}<> < 1775154863 255148 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c PRIVMSG #esolangs :bye! < 1775154867 214922 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and doing space + face button in that order (rather than face button + space) gives you (from the right clockwise) _\|/–`"' which is extremely easy to remember as they all point to the middle of the wheel < 1775154869 578971 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bye Yayimhere49 < 1775154879 327730 :Yayimhere49!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:957d:f0e6:b241:9c5c QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775154928 253908 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this is the whole of ASCII – if there's a character I've missed, it goes where / was on the paste I linked earlier (because / is now on space+button rather than button+space) < 1775154980 239071 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nope, just checked my keyboard and it's all there < 1775155031 246356 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I haven't implemented this and I haven't tested it out on an actual controller yet either < 1775155065 529886 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1775155069 7654 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was also considering having a press of shift on its own be caps lock, likewise a press of numshift on its own be numlock, but am not sure I like that < 1775155092 66968 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :almost all modern controllers have the back triggers as pressure-sensitive so it might depend on how hard you press them < 1775155124 467017 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(amazingly, you can actually read even that information from a web page) < 1775155226 186527 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some controllers went overboard and had all the buttons pressure-sensitive, but it is specifically the back triggers on the current consensus controller design (and they are normally designed to have a big travel range and to let you feel how much pressure you're applying, unlike the other button-like controls) < 1775155262 610981 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejˌdɛnb� < 1775155270 225437 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :morning! < 1775155277 989826 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hold on, I think you haven't defined what the 16 combinations of space with vowel stick gives < 1775155297 98980 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :morning aadenboy (although it's actually evening for me) < 1775155316 281126 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well good evening to you then < 1775155405 909775 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I see, that's what gives slash and backslash < 1775155415 976293 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: _\|/–`"' if you press space first, and the punctuation from before (?;.,-/!:) if you press the vowel first < 1775155425 459850 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I was planning to replace / with something else < 1775155445 859639 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :could easily be a non-ASCII character, maybe it should be a compose key? < 1775155492 174172 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the vowel-first /, that is, not the one that's in a nicely symmetrical location < 1775155616 817467 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wanted a compose key as it's one of the most mnemonic possible ways to extend the character repertoire < 1775155773 83206 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On regular keyboards, I always bind the menu key as the compose key, and it's annoying to me how many smaller form-factor keyboards (including laptops) just omit that key, possibly to fit in a `fn` key that's hardwaristically wired (well, probably firmwaristically in practice, but still) and therefore impossible to use for other purposes. < 1775155797 326275 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: on this laptop, it's on fn + right ctrl < 1775155829 386638 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have bought a new laptop but haven't really started using it yet, that one has multiple questionable keys on the keyboard, but the right ctrl key is replaced by a Copilot key (and menu is Fn+Copilot) < 1775155852 386408 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this seems obviously less useful than a ctrl key, but I think Microsoft must have substantially subsidised the price with the advertising < 1775155865 455487 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm using altgr + the (single, left) windows key for compose on this laptop, which is not incredibly convenient to press. < 1775155874 693120 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Ubuntu 24.04 is apparently unable to see the key at all) < 1775155880 894006 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But that's a good point, I should see if fn + some other key is perhaps a menu key. < 1775155884 228326 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use caps lock as control on this layout < 1775155892 379653 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and shift-shift as caps lock) < 1775155897 385749 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* caps lock as compose < 1775155915 686506 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bad typo, because caps lock as control is a reasonable configuration that is common among Emacs users, it just isn't mine < 1775155940 581870 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do end up typoing shift-shift occasionally, so maybe caps lock should be something that's harder to press, but it works most of the time < 1775155959 540063 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, the default binding for compose used to be shift-altgr and yet that doesn't seem to work nowadays – I wonder what changed? < 1775156039 934658 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds like those television remotes with a youtube and a disney button < 1775156055 971530 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :My current keyboard has two keys labeled "esc" (a black one and a red one), because it came with a rather limited set of keycaps, and the red esc is the closest I could think of for the pause/break key (which I use as a shortcut for locking the screen, something you do when you need a break). < 1775156104 668010 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Chromebooks used to, and maybe still do, have an Assistant key. Maybe it's a Gemini key now? < 1775156120 97968 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I bound the caps-lock+tab keys to caps lock at one point < 1775156120 826919 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I was concerned at first until I realised it was just a keyboard button (not sure what sequence it sends), the Microsoft documentation says that if you don't have Copilot set up it opens Bing < 1775156148 973896 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: heh, that also seems somewhat easy to typo, although it'd be a different nature of typo than the one that produces shift-shift < 1775156189 602827 :aadenboy|2!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejˌdɛnb� < 1775156191 906229 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use Ubuntu's default of Ctrl-Alt-L as a screen lock sequence (although thinking about it, it's weird that it doesn't start with Super, given that it's a global shortcut) < 1775156224 675369 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Surveying three Chromebook models, two do appear to have a "G" key (with the Google G logo), which I imagine _must_ do something Gemini-related now (by default). < 1775156252 106231 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the really weird thing about the new laptop is that it appears to have a "snipping tool" button (which is Windows's built-in screenshot program) in addition to PrtSc, and pressing it appears to send a chord rather than being programmed as a separate key < 1775156254 602178 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1775156294 906304 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would have preferred home/end/pgup/pgdn buttons, which it doesn't really have (although they are as usual available on the numpad if you turn numlock off) < 1775156398 914787 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :This keyboard's keycap set included one key that has, like, a square with a diagonal through it, and two small crosses at the other two corners, which I'm using as a PrtSc key, because it kind of looks like a rectangle selection tool, but I don't know if that's the intended meaning or not. < 1775156402 9802 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: so in the rules of Yugioh, you can sort-of activate two trap cards at once, but have to give the opponent a chance to do something in between (and the action they take might stop the second one activating) < 1775156433 754171 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but after activating one, if they do nothing, you can activate the second and then they will both resolve together (in the reverse of the order you activated them, but nothing can happen in between) < 1775156481 526402 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that's very similar to the snipping tool button on my new laptop's keyboard (which doesn't have the diagonal, it's a square with a cross at the top-left and bottom-right corner) < 1775156496 796119 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, more of a rectangle actually, but close to square < 1775156585 135246 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Internet seems to suggest it is indeed the Keychron standard screenshot symbol. > 1775157243 288621 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gur yvsr14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178894&oldid=178138 5* 03Placeholding 5* (+42) 10 < 1775158548 483789 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775159658 193129 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1775159667 192734 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1775159826 336988 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1775159861 241648 :aadenboy|2!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 NICK :aadenboy < 1775160470 636490 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1775161765 223900 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejˌdɛnb� < 1775161773 171542 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :forgot I was connected < 1775162062 223938 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1775162213 803714 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejˌdɛnb� < 1775162388 846580 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1775162549 813575 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, my post title was a deliberate joke about how it's not possible to actually activate two trap cards in a single motion. Like hitting two birds with one stone, to use an earlier snowclone. < 1775165432 66766 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 QUIT :Quit: goodbye for now! back another day < 1775166677 546131 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We've been told we now have to say "feeding two birds with one cone", for sensitivity reasons. < 1775169882 341096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1775173401 178479 :ajal!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1775177085 390897 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775177097 949110 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1775177097 949334 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1775177464 307170 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1775177645 324943 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1775177684 48271 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :MPCitH is when you read a book < 1775180395 147244 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775181645 658921 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1775183073 510974 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178895&oldid=178415 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+32) 10/* Syntax */ > 1775184331 471075 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178896&oldid=178895 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-436) 10/* statistics_and_file */ > 1775184353 226260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yoyolin0409/STL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178897&oldid=177235 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+422) 10 > 1775184434 692281 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178898&oldid=178896 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+179) 10/* statistics_and_file */ > 1775184546 774868 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178899&oldid=178898 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+17) 10/* string */ > 1775184724 407206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178900&oldid=178899 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+237) 10/* string */ > 1775184743 876416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178901&oldid=178900 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+5) 10/* string */ > 1775184760 337039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178902&oldid=178901 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+2) 10/* string */ > 1775184769 316888 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178903&oldid=178902 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+1) 10/* string */ > 1775185381 863446 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178904&oldid=178903 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+152) 10/* lambda */ > 1775185429 176331 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178905&oldid=178904 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+13) 10/* lambda */ > 1775185935 409106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178906&oldid=178905 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-5) 10/* Turing completeness proof using brainfuck */ < 1775186245 182865 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1775186293 154894 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) > 1775186584 477466 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178907&oldid=178906 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+150) 10/* Syntax */ < 1775187219 119736 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775187373 179944 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) > 1775187766 557513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:BODOKE2801e14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178908&oldid=175168 5* 03BODOKE2801e 5* (+119) 10 > 1775187852 495642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178909&oldid=178907 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+816) 10 < 1775187885 468491 :moony3!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1775187965 111901 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775187965 454768 :moony3!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony > 1775187975 583904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178910&oldid=178909 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+1) 10/* Real brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775188287 205646 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178911&oldid=178910 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+74) 10/* Real brainfuck interpreter */ < 1775188290 283088 :chloetax!~chloe@user/chloetax QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1775188401 775393 :chloetax!~chloe@user/chloetax JOIN #esolangs chloetax :chloe > 1775188489 240924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178912&oldid=178911 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+19) 10/* Preprocessors */ > 1775188721 533338 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178913&oldid=178912 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-906) 10/* statistics_and_file */ > 1775188743 920218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178914&oldid=178913 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-28) 10/* Real brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775189040 865209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178915&oldid=178914 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-3) 10/* statistics */ < 1775189185 407216 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775189186 54231 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1775189493 138258 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :MPCitH is when you read a book < 1775189754 135968 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1775190048 138655 :moony5!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1775190056 642375 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775190056 679227 :moony5!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony > 1775190876 542008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178916&oldid=178915 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+44) 10/* string */ > 1775191015 88467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178917&oldid=178916 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+103) 10 > 1775191169 989681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178918&oldid=178917 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+19) 10/* Real brainfuck interpreter */ < 1775191269 119215 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775191269 165862 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775191269 165944 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775192372 218316 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1775192374 102169 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1775192707 103046 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :MPCitH is when you read a book < 1775193308 349387 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775193327 207233 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775193335 402399 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775193388 853156 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1775194049 241254 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :MPCitH is when you read a book < 1775194068 648761 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1775194353 666611 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1775194359 223213 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1775194377 523531 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775194422 647572 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1775194634 625687 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :MPCitH is when you read a book < 1775194682 141535 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( > 1775194828 649464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mtcm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178919&oldid=178873 5* 03BODOKE2801e 5* (+1727) 10 > 1775200186 984881 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kind n' Single14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178920&oldid=166784 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+24) 10/* System */ > 1775200474 693031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kind n' Single14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178921&oldid=178920 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+64) 10/* System */ < 1775202405 238285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1775202516 179158 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kind n' Single14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178922&oldid=178921 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+151) 10/* System */ > 1775203423 416671 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Div14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178923 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+1806) 10Created page with "'''Div''', named after divided and the divine comedy, is an Esoteric Programming Language created by [[User:Yayimhere]], based mainly on string prefixes, and [[An Odd Rewriting System]], specifically in the concept of "Definitions". == Syntax == A program is in > 1775203512 107668 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178924&oldid=178918 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+6) 10/* Command Table */ > 1775203543 138962 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178925&oldid=178924 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-104) 10/* Note */ > 1775203683 431605 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178926&oldid=178925 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-81) 10/* Examples */ > 1775203847 607983 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178927&oldid=178926 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-10) 10/* Real brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775203879 266049 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178928&oldid=178927 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-1) 10/* Real brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775204206 37259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178929&oldid=178928 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+61) 10/* Real brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775204282 28651 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178930&oldid=178929 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+22) 10/* Real brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775204397 645014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178931&oldid=178930 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+69) 10/* Real brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775204496 23868 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178932&oldid=178931 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-402) 10/* Turing completeness proof using brainfuck */ > 1775204512 159297 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178933&oldid=178932 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (-5) 10/* Real brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775204559 708926 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178934&oldid=178933 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+8) 10/* OOP examples */ > 1775205034 251159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178935&oldid=178934 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+141) 10/* brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775205128 493078 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178936&oldid=178935 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+46) 10/* brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775205198 809707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178937&oldid=178936 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+14) 10/* Command Table */ > 1775205265 329439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178938&oldid=178937 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+17) 10/* brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775205301 765082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178939&oldid=178938 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+0) 10/* brainfuck interpreter */ > 1775207017 239855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Div14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178940&oldid=178923 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+127) 10 < 1775208853 391785 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: there's also the flag semaphore code, which is designed to be signaled by an unaided human with a flag held in each hand. you can hold each flag in any of eight directions, though which flag is which doesn't matter, so there are only 36 possible signals. some people already know this one, so for them it might work as an input method on two d-pads on a controller if you can relyably input the < 1775208859 401640 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :eight directions. > 1775210537 657821 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07File:SHSM down arrow for guide signs.png14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178941&oldid=174453 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (-35) 10Blanked the page > 1775210652 272783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mtcm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178942&oldid=178919 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+9) 10stille a stub, doesnt really describe its memory or how the state changing works. > 1775211110 98128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emojifunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178943&oldid=142226 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+8) 10 > 1775211535 696277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lorem Ipsum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178944&oldid=175833 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+4) 10/* Full width commands */ < 1775212879 824465 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1775213427 166423 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178945&oldid=71651 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+590) 10/* TMMLPTEALPAITANFNFAL */ new section > 1775213468 573097 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178946&oldid=178939 5* 03Yoyolin0409 5* (+16) 10/* Preprocessors */ < 1775214062 622929 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:f4f5:82df:9fc3:7b5b JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775214066 994020 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:f4f5:82df:9fc3:7b5b PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi! < 1775214078 93293 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:f4f5:82df:9fc3:7b5b PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are you all doing < 1775214291 332487 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1775214295 645202 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm a bit tired, as usual, but otherwise OK < 1775214302 831406 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:f4f5:82df:9fc3:7b5b PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice. < 1775214309 592774 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also a bit distracted, there's lots of programming I need to do but I'm having trouble actually making my mind up to do it < 1775214404 410826 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:f4f5:82df:9fc3:7b5b PRIVMSG #esolangs :same, I have an interpreter to complete but > 1775216734 398753 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lorem Ipsum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178947&oldid=178944 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+39) 10/* Demonstration */ < 1775217437 622437 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:f4f5:82df:9fc3:7b5b QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775219048 247526 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hah! Was testing the wiki question-answerer after some code changes with my default test question ("Who invented Befunge?"), and somehow the MediaWiki search for "Befunge creator" (extracted search term) returned `Euclid`, `Dotlang` and `HQ9funge` as the best matches for that question. < 1775219053 682552 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So the model dutifully used those as context and proclaimed: "Befunge was created by User:Andrew3335. The article states that Dotlang was “partially derivative of befunge,” indicating Andrew3335 was also the creator of Befunge." < 1775219087 435746 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's... not exactly how it works. But it definitely needs a better search (which might be a valuable thing to have in its own right anyway). < 1775219099 210423 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(On a later attempt it did switch the search query to "Befunge inventor", which does get `Funge-98` as the only search result, which makes it give the correct answer.) < 1775219158 727944 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5b2:b468:1c7d:8570 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1775219300 728512 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lorem Ipsum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178948&oldid=178947 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+377) 10/* Examples */ > 1775220656 389734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dangermouse14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178949 5* 03OfficialWatchOS7Alt 5* (+30) 10Redirected page to [[David Morgan-Mar]] < 1775220656 646482 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1775221377 157564 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5b2:b468:1c7d:8570 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775221878 340803 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5b2:b468:1c7d:8570 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1775222365 203618 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MediaWiki search works best when you're searching for a single noun, I think (rather than multiple nouns that would have to appear on the same page) < 1775222384 948291 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the search term for that should just be "Befunge", not "Befunge creator" < 1775222547 672623 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to prompt the search term extraction to prefer single nouns, but it decided to search for "Mark Russinengo" instead. :) < 1775222597 368760 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And of course it didn't find any results, so it had to answer without wiki context, and produced: "Befunge was invented by Stefan Gustav Adolf Johannesson in 1993." < 1775222603 992453 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Interesting that it got the year right.) < 1775222659 822249 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes, the famous mean inventor name < 1775222668 789164 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a bizarre level of AI decision-making < 1775222753 414646 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zero search engine results for Mark Russinengo if you insist on the spelling of the surname, that's impressive < 1775222788 907704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it does look like a plausible name, so it must be real. < 1775222804 658180 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You just have to BELIEVE. < 1775222913 989859 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LLM output is after all optimised for looking plausible < 1775222999 569336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would not have used the word "decision making" though I suppose it does not, technically, imply any sort of careful deliberation. < 1775223007 705752 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or term, whatever < 1775223170 13540 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is still making decisions, it just isn't making them very well < 1775223204 253798 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you think about it, all an LLM does is decide which token comes next < 1775223391 443068 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`le/rn token anxiety/Tokens participating in a Markov chain often get nervous while waiting for their turn to shine. This is called token anxiety. < 1775223393 863027 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Usage: `le/[/]rn // < 1775223404 244223 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`le/rn token anxiety//Tokens participating in a Markov chain often get nervous while waiting for their turn to shine. This is called token anxiety. < 1775223408 97167 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Learned 'token anxiety': Tokens participating in a Markov chain often get nervous while waiting for their turn to shine. This is called token anxiety. < 1775223666 775215 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Next two attempts: search for Andrew S. Smith, invented by Jürg Steiner; search for Steve Russell, invented by Daniel Grünfeld. < 1775223684 854550 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 JOIN #esolangs dragoneater67 :dragoneater67 < 1775223756 814251 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And search for Whittington, invented by Jarko Määttänen.) < 1775223803 633364 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been planning to try out one of those text-embedding cosine-distance semantic search approaches, though I'm a little doubtful as to how well that'll work on esolang content either. < 1775224254 100285 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I bet it's guessing at the answer and using that as a search term < 1775224260 248335 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rather than trying to pick a search term from the question < 1775224301 99300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :XZ problem (where, instead of asking Y, you jump straight to the conclusion, Z) < 1775224402 759610 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just realized while it was a _little_ more silly than even I would have expected. < 1775224438 42849 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Previously I was using a lower-level library to run inference, and so my prompts included the markers the Gemma instruction-tuned variant uses to indicate the turns and roles (user, model). < 1775224475 293101 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I switched to a different thing to run it on the GPU, which handles the prompting syntax for me, so it had those all doubled. < 1775224558 273222 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775224695 415389 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I thought an XZ problem was when you have collaborators gaslighting you into accepting suspicious opaque binaries into the project's test data *ducks* < 1775224697 319644 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the other hand, now that it does correctly land on the search query "Befunge", it gets confused by the rather long article about Befunge instead. < 1775224742 179233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: that's good too < 1775224849 323528 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: it was more than just collaborators, the attacker actually maintained xz in a nonmalicious way for about 2 years in order to build up trust < 1775224862 802252 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, that is true < 1775224893 949590 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just wanted to compress it into a short line to make the reference obvious enough :p > 1775225485 524337 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178950&oldid=178851 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (-18) 10Add compiler implementation > 1775225586 162098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178951&oldid=178950 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+1) 10 < 1775227107 748295 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5b2:b468:1c7d:8570 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775227463 49655 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5b2:b468:1c7d:8570 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1775229581 870698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spore14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178952&oldid=178874 5* 03Timm 5* (+13) 10 < 1775230521 25928 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Note that LLMs learn *all* memetic associations, including ones which we might normally think of as contrived word games. For example, it's quite reasonable to ask "Who was the president of USA in 1990s?" -> RAG gives concepts close to "USA", "president", "1990s" like "Al Gore" -> model assigns high probability to "Bill Clinton". < 1775230988 912320 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5b2:b468:1c7d:8570 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775232170 992815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`w < 1775232174 479929 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​fire//Fire, fire, everywhere, nor any drop to drink. < 1775232286 202049 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5b2:b468:1c7d:8570 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1775232325 158673 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? al gore < 1775232328 545463 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Al Gore invented the algorithm. < 1775235866 863838 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5b2:b468:1c7d:8570 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1775236402 858852 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TheZwierz 5* 10New user account > 1775236791 202375 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178953&oldid=178864 5* 03TheZwierz 5* (+196) 10/* Introductions */ < 1775236873 247279 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5b2:b468:1c7d:8570 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1775238227 50790 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TheLeviathan 5* 10New user account > 1775239823 381083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178954&oldid=174843 5* 03SuperSMG5 5* (+557) 10i added another idea < 1775241919 153003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775242018 144963 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas < 1775242639 168028 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775242718 169894 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas > 1775243315 28688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178955&oldid=178954 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+218) 10/* General Ideas */ < 1775243323 151528 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775244655 214914 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775245131 627998 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775245141 554725 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi(again? I cant remember) < 1775245192 954251 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are you all doing at this time < 1775245194 749209 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Howdy. < 1775245202 600150 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ho korvo! < 1775245205 575238 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*hi < 1775245327 916000 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :recently I had an idea of a language that when given itself as input in Stdin, its returns itself, however for any other input it doesn't. it isn't that interesting on its own I guess, but I think something interesting could be made from it, with some secondary idea attached to it < 1775245460 279704 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i was thinking of making it a Crab's Jukebox style language, where the program reads its program as if it was the record < 1775245586 82142 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: I saw that on the list of ideas < 1775245608 892586 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in korvo-language that would be "each function definable in the language is its own only fixed point" < 1775245623 490452 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea, I know < 1775245643 942284 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also surprising that you saw it so quick < 1775245650 848888 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I shouldn't be that surprised though < 1775245674 673429 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it feels like the sort of problem where either it's impossible, or there's some trick to make it possible but that isn't very interesting (along the lines of languages which are quine-free onyl because the print statement doesn't work if it would output something that matches the source code) < 1775245684 919613 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm, through some sort of structure? Or just as an axiom? < 1775245708 123434 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tend to look at your (Yayimhere's) edits faster than other people's because they're more likely to be interesting < 1775245731 672622 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh huh < 1775245739 34308 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i assume that is a compliment right? < 1775245748 552790 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in your case yes < 1775245753 493327 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks! < 1775245755 319225 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, exactly. Or flip it. You could always have each function store some sort of copy of itself, and the function detects that copy; otherwise, all functions have to *not* have fixed points. That's easier than it sounds. < 1775245769 325917 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some edits are likely to need admin attention and those I also look at more quickly, but that's less of a positive < 1775245775 118078 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775245812 967859 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: i was thinking of making the programs be some sort text reader that skips certain parts of text, or re-read some, based on some sort of syntax defined in the program < 1775245822 200497 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then this would be restricted in such a way that < 1775245829 278498 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has the wanted property < 1775245882 57671 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I'm thinking along the lines of "language which always maps 0 to 0" and then you xor the input and output with the source code < 1775245893 974681 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1775245926 910898 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I'll go sit with some paper tomorrow to make it a little easier to think about(which is a thing ive begun doing) < 1775245972 398967 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I am certainly interested in peoples solutions < 1775245983 522212 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and now I'm thinking about https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/175365/transformers-in-disguise-cops-thread which is sort-of related (it's a series of challenges along the lines of "a program that was given itself as input outputted string X, given any other input it would output something else, find the program" under a size limit to try to ensure that there's only one solution) < 1775246005 610833 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, that is creetinaly reelated < 1775246008 85799 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*related < 1775246018 452981 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ugh, but it has a lot more adverts than it used to, I'd recommend using an ad blocker < 1775246045 171989 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1775246050 859517 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I dont actually know if safari has such things as extentions(and thereby Ad blockers) < 1775246095 181033 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775246136 9402 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive gotten used to just ignore ads at this point < 1775246218 305579 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1775246485 549467 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill go read that thread later, thanks for showing it to me < 1775247512 378325 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :b_jonas < 1775248292 809489 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1775248989 690239 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some ads can be avoided by disabling JavaScripts, and by some other stuff, so a specialized ad blocker is not necessarily needed < 1775249221 638424 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true < 1775249225 928619 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also hello! < 1775249407 148555 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775249429 471294 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1775249617 975542 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1775250896 896149 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775254373 808208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1775254472 928609 :lynndotpy6093627!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 QUIT :Quit: bye bye < 1775254556 698019 :lynndotpy6093627!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 JOIN #esolangs lynndotpy :lynn < 1775256167 146782 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejˌdɛnb� < 1775256172 847198 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :afternoon < 1775256201 952627 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should connect to here more frequently.... < 1775256759 739800 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :helo! [sic] < 1775257339 540784 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775258421 319499 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't wait for 2027 where my user page is a whole 20 pages long or something < 1775258431 14264 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just dense full of tables < 1775259812 942852 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5b2:b468:1c7d:8570 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775263662 647009 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1775266903 164154 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775271943 855925 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1775274185 347941 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In RISC-V specification, in https://docs.riscv.org/reference/isa/unpriv/zihintntl.html table 1 seems to be missing size bounds. What is that table supposed to be saying? This problem is present in both the HTML and PDF versions of the manual. < 1775275010 568141 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh, great. This used to be a .tex file: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-isa-manual/blob/cd9764fde9c704fb63e519eb7774e224835ee5f8/src/zihintntl.tex#L68-L84 < 1775275094 800113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the next commit removes the .tex file; you can see the .adoc version right beside it and it's missing the numbers) < 1775276979 380652 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had thought, if the graphics card that I had described would be made, although 3D graphics is not one of the features I had considered important, I would consider video playback to be one; you might want to play two videos at once for the purpose of comparison but I think not more than two at once would be needed. < 1775277019 144419 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :When doing video playback, I had considered that the low 4-bits of each channel can be used for opacity so that you can overlay translucent captions on the video. < 1775278988 345630 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :goodnight < 1775278991 929426 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 QUIT :Quit: goodbye for now! back another day < 1775281690 627110 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775281698 233237 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi > 1775282015 155249 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178956&oldid=172459 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+24) 10/* My targets */ < 1775282691 623299 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1775283297 146578 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1775283929 146081 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mathlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178957&oldid=178486 5* 03Esolang lover123 5* (+129) 10fixed some stuff < 1775284774 855374 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1775286028 674230 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1775289883 503603 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775290450 522049 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1775291214 394117 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178958 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+405) 10Created page with "this is a notation for infinities, which I think can reach pretty dang high in the hierarchy of infinities: * E[0](x,y) = y * E[1](x,y) = x + y * yJ[z](x) = E[z](x,y) * E[n+1](x,y) = 1775291222 825453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Eliloulou10 5* 10New user account > 1775291784 782291 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178959&oldid=178953 5* 03Eliloulou10 5* (+240) 10 > 1775292291 162151 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178960&oldid=178958 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-34) 10 > 1775292436 255244 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178961&oldid=178960 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+87) 10 > 1775292594 550915 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178962&oldid=178961 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+39) 10 > 1775293057 598639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178963&oldid=178962 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+53) 10 > 1775293215 680504 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mathlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178964&oldid=178957 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (-14) 10better formatting > 1775293227 373628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mathlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178965&oldid=178964 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+5) 10 < 1775293311 771792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1775293505 362358 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mathlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178966&oldid=178965 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+54) 10/* Implementations */ > 1775293547 944163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Super-Easy-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178967&oldid=178401 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+2) 10/* Cat program */ > 1775293687 629427 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Super-Easy-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178968&oldid=178967 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+140) 10 > 1775293851 946905 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:RaiseAfloppaFan392514]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178969&oldid=178410 5* 03RaiseAfloppaFan3925 5* (+447) 10forgot one esolang > 1775293869 159822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spore14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178970&oldid=178952 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+52) 10 < 1775294837 624568 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:e1ce:6e3d:131b:e771 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1775295219 319677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Super-Easy-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178971&oldid=178968 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+79) 10 < 1775295749 269400 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1775295774 114545 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1775296652 13892 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178972&oldid=178288 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-182) 10/* ppl i like and dont like */ < 1775297006 622407 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775297010 13043 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi! < 1775297013 804581 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(again) < 1775297512 629723 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1775297662 338500 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 QUIT :Quit: dragoneater67 < 1775297679 607441 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 JOIN #esolangs dragoneater67 :dragoneater67 < 1775297685 790807 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i accidentally left lol > 1775297688 191275 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mathlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178973&oldid=178966 5* 03Esolang lover123 5* (+405) 10 > 1775297732 982177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mathlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178974&oldid=178973 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+1) 10/* */ grrr where spaces < 1775297946 558705 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi dragoneater67! < 1775297949 822755 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hru? < 1775297993 20564 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gud < 1775298007 105516 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice. Me too < 1775298020 691612 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, whats that {{User's path|username=User:Yayimhere}} thing on your userpage for? < 1775298036 722343 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh thats kinda a meme of sorts < 1775298044 58728 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool < 1775298049 136301 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, may I give you a challenge? < 1775298051 586123 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1775298063 810745 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775298068 644542 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im bored rn < 1775298092 748859 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :solve https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day < 1775298104 293604 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and feeel free. to ask any questions while trying) > 1775298183 928463 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mathlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178975&oldid=178974 5* 03Esolang lover123 5* (+72) 10 < 1775298190 59474 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1775298208 13262 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool < 1775300905 434636 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam > 1775302951 376209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater6714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178976&oldid=178703 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+151) 10 > 1775303502 500202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater6714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178977&oldid=178976 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+21) 10whynot < 1775303538 162922 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneatter67 thats not used for user pages, its used for like moderately famous people in our community > 1775304630 111236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater6714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178978&oldid=178977 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-21) 10 < 1775304638 831623 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok i removed it < 1775304645 648207 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool < 1775304777 343143 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive come to conclusion that first 2 properties are trivially cheesed < 1775304793 799696 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cheesed? < 1775304794 389546 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just have a command called MIAU that prints MIAU < 1775304816 352438 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea, but then MIAUMIAU would also be a quine < 1775304840 105285 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just make MIAU halt < 1775304852 132873 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MIAU prints MIAU then halts < 1775304881 867646 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that works! you cant have any other printing though < 1775304899 165921 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ya still have to fix the narcissist thing < 1775304905 242571 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't heard the word "cheesing" applied to esolangs before, but I like it – it fits very well, analogous with the same context in computer games < 1775304918 298341 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1775304933 245776 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the looping counter... < 1775304935 342015 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: true < 1775304984 106811 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my general idea is that since arbitrary i/o is not neccessary, so i can just restrict it enough to fit very specific usecases < 1775304994 995158 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea > 1775305253 19220 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178979&oldid=178219 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-31) 10 < 1775305413 468871 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: thank you < 1775305705 430494 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw dragoneater67, I think the narrcicist thing cna be done by making the input command always do narrcicist stuff < 1775306114 877451 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1775307147 750517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03 5* 10New user account > 1775307703 407770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater6714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178980&oldid=178978 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+19) 10 > 1775307799 188513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178981&oldid=176044 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-7727) 10 this should look like i sent an irc message on some clients! < 1775307881 581494 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok it did NOT work > 1775307914 517061 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178982&oldid=178959 5* 03 5* (+115) 10/* Introductions */ < 1775307997 926691 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1775308672 948756 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1775309024 400924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178983&oldid=178846 5* 03Dulph 5* (+80) 10 < 1775309162 567309 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does "every FWOTD command given as input to another FWOTD command could be replaced by a third FWOTD command" mean? > 1775309191 237784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable/Python Implementation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178984&oldid=178818 5* 03Dulph 5* (+128) 10 < 1775309197 16409 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it practically implies commands can be applied like functions to other commands < 1775309227 978702 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and those are always rewritable as another command in the set < 1775309244 157094 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(note that it says this doesnt apply to commands that are created using this process) > 1775309252 666033 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable 2/Python Implementation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178985&oldid=178825 5* 03Dulph 5* (+128) 10 > 1775309303 702356 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable 214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178986&oldid=178847 5* 03Dulph 5* (+124) 10 > 1775309332 967807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D-Reversable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178987&oldid=178983 5* 03Dulph 5* (+44) 10 > 1775309354 555876 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Reversable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178988&oldid=178815 5* 03Dulph 5* (+124) 10 < 1775309370 110126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-isa-manual/pull/2821 (do you want and credit there?) < 1775309380 544759 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :*any < 1775309856 51944 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes thank you < 1775310007 843614 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: wait, there's a typo in your patch, it now says "greater 1 MiB than" instead of "greater than 1 MiB" < 1775310067 832725 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: so how do I credit you in a github context :P < 1775310078 340745 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :without referring to this place < 1775310171 34157 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/b-jonas0 < 1775310229 87903 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :progress report: i covered rules 1, 3, 4, 6 < 1775310246 25747 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn! < 1775310323 923357 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :great job < 1775310522 376026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Fixed, thanks. Also mentioned you. < 1775310539 943961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: However, also decided I can't be arsed to make it more than a draft. < 1775310650 214333 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also, ridiculously, they want signed commits. But they don't sign their own stuff.) < 1775311006 776510 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rule 2 is also covered now < 1775311233 302006 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1775311510 859654 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1775311626 181818 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does rule 5 mean that FWOTD can only execute the input ONLY if it equals its own source code? < 1775311735 567292 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh I guess signing commits is easy enough to do even though I do not see the point. < 1775311772 325968 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneatter67: no, each self interpret just also does the narcissist check < 1775311819 311387 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775311881 531661 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Question. Does the following Thue-like string replacement esolang have a name? The program has a starting string state and an infinitely looping sequence of fixed substring search and replaces. The instructions are executed in sequence, they always find the first match in the state string and replace just that one match, and if no match is found you get undefined behavior. This means the length of the < 1775311887 535113 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :state will always grow by a constant in each loop iteration, and you effectively program this by having an instruction that appends trailing junk to the string to ensure that the other instructions always match. > 1775311919 160614 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tetrahedron14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178989&oldid=177700 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+54) 10yes, children, I'm back < 1775311927 724009 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: there are lots of esolangs that do that sort of thing but I don't think I've ever seen that exact combination < 1775311929 339397 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that's kind of a boring wasteful subset of 1.1 < 1775311979 715250 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it isn't a refinement of Thupit due to the "every rule must always match at the point where it appears" < 1775311983 707132 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact I'm not even sure it's TC < 1775312005 377168 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you already know the search string will be there exactly once, how do you do a conditional? < 1775312044 681026 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the trailing part of the string state will be junk, so your instructions match there if the conditional should skip < 1775312074 636753 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh, first match < 1775312082 882009 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for some reason I thought the requirement was to have exactly one match rather than at least one < 1775312231 84247 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: re https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-insane-fini.jpg , how many different shapes is this trying to deliver to the hub at the same time? < 1775312300 452726 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67: no, each self interpret just also does the narcissist check (I resent this since I think I dont think you saw it cuz it didnt tag properly < 1775312301 794856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: 2 > 1775312314 298543 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178990&oldid=178946 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+609) 10 < 1775312348 339348 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the game has 2 randomized shapes, one without crystals and one with crystals. So you get two different MAMs. I have two copies of each. < 1775312407 36489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also in this particular scenario, shapes have 5 slices instead of 4. < 1775312610 723812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(so each MAM has 5 stages) < 1775312611 620034 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I thought there were 5 infinite series of randomized shapes, at least in the hardest mode < 1775312639 619035 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I must have misunderstood something > 1775312653 125259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178991 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+116) 10Created page with "If i'm not getting it wrong, it gets up to (1,1,1) ~~~" > 1775312750 391322 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178992&oldid=178991 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+248) 10 < 1775312794 742001 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. No, it has 2 more fixed operator shapes than the other scenarios: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-700i.jpg ("insane") vs. https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-700.jpg ("regular") and https://shapez2.wiki.gg/wiki/Operator_Level#Requirements for the other two scenarios > 1775313071 601533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178993&oldid=178992 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+322) 10 > 1775313123 39507 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178994&oldid=178993 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+176) 10 < 1775313466 286536 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: The only use of the number 5 that I can think of is the increased number of slices. < 1775313476 889873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's not really important :) > 1775313667 375756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178995&oldid=178994 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+49) 10 > 1775313926 200496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rizzlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178996&oldid=165866 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (-1) 10bro wth was that \ doin  > 1775314050 41730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178997&oldid=178995 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+43) 10sign ur comments cleverxia > 1775314162 195648 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178998&oldid=178990 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-25) 10the esolang no longer exists < 1775314195 683460 :joast!~joast@98.146.165.18 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1775314470 950244 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh on the off chance that you're wondering: there's no reason for the train terminals (to the far left and far right) to be flat like that; I could use 3 floors and fit them into 2 rows instead of 5. Which I'd do if I were serious about scaling things up further. < 1775314542 941820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(There *was* a reason: I used the same layout for an ad-hoc space where I made one-off factories. And it's *much* easier to do routing when you have some extra space. Also easier to remember what shape is delivered where.) > 1775315217 834281 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178999 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (+2055) 10the "i'm getting too lazy" language > 1775315249 845241 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179000&oldid=178999 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (+4) 10formatting gone wrong > 1775315543 449510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179001&oldid=179000 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+15) 10 < 1775315583 655526 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67, Yayimhere: I think FWoTD can't be defined. In particular, I'm not sure how to restrict the diagonal lemma in a Turing-complete setting so that it only generates one quine. < 1775315667 556589 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo hmmm. i hadn't thought of that. though there is not a restriction of "free output" here, so I dont know < 1775315699 757066 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: Are you familiar with the idea that a program in a TC system can access its own source code? < 1775315720 851380 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: no I had no heard that before < 1775315727 367802 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*not < 1775315733 35267 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What we actually mean is that, for any program in a TC system, there's an equivalent program which has access to a copy of its source code. It doesn't literally read its own memory. < 1775315752 531561 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea that makes sense < 1775315755 193953 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1775315767 798269 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well FWoTD doesnt remove all Quines, just one NON rotary one < 1775315788 980150 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So if you have the ability to express Python-like lambdas, `lambda x: f(x)`, then there's always going to be the ability to augment that into `lambda x, source: print(source) or f(x)` < 1775315809 429928 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we can just restrict output, right? < 1775315832 645776 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67: But then is it still TC? < 1775315843 495744 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe < 1775315856 346891 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :many languages w/o io are still tc < 1775315864 568398 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like if you can only output a single character < 1775315892 94935 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, minsky machine, with the command `E` which prints E. and then no other I/O < 1775315900 350271 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or no other O atleast < 1775315901 614966 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, then what are you computing? Systems without I/O can only be TC in the sense that it's not decidable whether they halt; in order to talk about arbitrary effects, we do need to talk about the state of the system, including internal state. < 1775316000 938762 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the case of `E` here, it could perhaps also replace every instance after it with increment of register 1, ju8st for example < 1775316024 35517 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but again, FWoTD does allow rotary quines < 1775316051 910167 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont understand how restricted i/o could hurt turing completeness < 1775316104 626717 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, TC-ness is about being able to emit any computable sequence of symbols. It's inherently about output. < 1775316124 845808 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It's inherently about not halting, but Turing defined halting in terms of emitting symbols. See [[computable]] for details.) < 1775316222 728900 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm... < 1775316235 498615 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder what issues is with my construct above < 1775316266 35282 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if in brainfuck, . and , output into hidden append-only log, and theres an additional command called ? that just prints ?, is it turing-incomplete? < 1775316305 491985 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then you just look in the append only log I assume < 1775316311 409707 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its hidden < 1775316319 9652 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like the hidden accumulator in HQ9+ < 1775316330 535886 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then does it really count as output? < 1775316346 406320 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no it isnt < 1775316360 738082 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it emits symbols! < 1775316367 852977 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67: The inner behavior is still TC when we take that log into account. Your design is almost exactly like Turing's. < 1775316378 10034 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea I was about to say < 1775316392 623036 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so we can have turing completeness with restricted i/o??? < 1775316421 106093 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67: I think that you should pause for a moment. What does TC mean? < 1775316480 855456 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a finite state automaton hooked up to an infinite tape, or anything reducable to a finite state automaton hooked up to an infinite tape < 1775316483 158594 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I shouldn't be Socratic. A TC system can encode any Turing machine, right? So that means that, for any Turing machine, the TC system has a program which faithfully emulates that machine. < 1775316556 917310 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Don't worry about reducing your system to Turing machines. Either your system is computable, in which case it's reducible, or it's not computable. Computability is more important. < 1775316570 971436 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775316643 138062 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"faithful" is vague here, isn't it. (The definitions I'm familiar with care about acceptance, rejection, or possibly just about termination vs. non-termination) < 1775316657 510101 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, for BF that only prints ?, there's still TC questions. The analogue of (Beeping) Busy Beaver is here: for a fixed size of programs, what's the largest program that prints finitely many ? There's also circular Halting: for a fixed program, how many ? does it print? < 1775316752 13582 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I'm using it in the category-theoretic sense of "faithful functor", a categorified embedding. But yeah, we aren't actually putting in the work. Turing showed that acceptance and rejection can encapsulate all other questions of computability, and I guess we've been using that shortcut ever since. < 1775316763 71222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :("faithful" might imply a much more finely grained correspondance where you have to be able to effectively identify tapes, states, and execution steps) < 1775316826 947127 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think that we can encode the tape into a large unary number, then output it using the ? instruction < 1775316840 208851 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67: I suppose that the insight I'm getting at is: either you're TC, so you can emit any computable sequence including sequences which code for the current program (quines), or you're not TC. < 1775316878 561249 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then, what about the quineless thing that was talked about on sjmg(I think)'s talk page < 1775316908 418614 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just realized that this also implies that we can encode the program's source code into a large unary prime and output it < 1775316931 117418 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which would be called a "pseudoquine" < 1775316936 642257 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think < 1775316963 293366 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hofstadter would say that it's still a self-rep. I don't know if he used the word "pseudoquine" but I could check. < 1775316970 241551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: You realize that saying "in the category-theoretic sense" raises more questions than it answers ;-) (Apart from the extra level of obfuscation (subjective), it really doesn't say wht observables of TMs you care about, which was the point I was trying to make.) > 1775316972 36230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179002&oldid=178979 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+63) 10/* Properties */ < 1775316981 815066 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I would say "encode" rather than "emit" – languages can be TC without having any reasonable form of output < 1775317003 533433 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I changed the definition for it to be a little more precise of the type of quine < 1775317017 384469 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but they have to be able to somehow internally represent any structure, which can be used as an output substitute but might be hard to decode < 1775317039 230065 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Oh, sorry. In category theory, we can only identify up to isomorphism; if two TMs have isomorphic behavior then they might as well be a single object. I don't really care about which notion of isomorphism we're using though; it can be uncomputable. > 1775317051 597868 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179003&oldid=179002 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+27) 10/* Properties */ < 1775317072 635554 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :specifically to standard terminal out, not in program mmemory < 1775317089 472935 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Right, we have to be able to slice open the egg and see what was developing. And the insides cannot be too organized or else they can be interpreted like syntax, defeating Rice's theorem. < 1775317104 983969 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: You're still making the observables implicit! < 1775317121 911739 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, I'll relent. < 1775317145 811064 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this was what I'd call an interesting conversation < 1775317152 405178 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: It's all good. I think that your question's well-motivated. But isn't a TM just a set-theoretic object? Like, isn't it a tuple? < 1775317251 297346 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...Sorry, I realize that I'm just making you invent the observables that you care about. I think we can care about Turing's observables for now. The issue is then, well, what of I/O? Turing was talking about emitting initial segments of computable binary sequences. < 1775317275 82496 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: What do you think about the diagonal lemma? < 1775317324 791040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :A TM can be seen through many lenses: 1) A typle of states and symboles and transitions etc. 2) A function from starting configuration to execution traces (streams of configurations) 2) Partial functions from initial configuration (or some import encoding it) to a final configuration (or decoded output) 3) same, but specifically only look at whether the final state is an accepting state or not. < 1775317359 609871 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This doesn't change just because you're using category theory. < 1775317366 330647 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: i have not heard of it, but I will look it up < 1775317375 717607 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Except that 1) would become very awkard :P < 1775317450 534133 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the idea i always had about TMs is that arbitrary i/o is unneccessary if everything can be encoded in the program's internal state < 1775317451 590495 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep. We do get another lens, though: 4) a computational universe or Turing category: a category with N where every object can be encoded and decoded into N. It's similar to (2) but arrows are computable rather than partial; instead of getting stuck they can "run" forever. < 1775317512 766356 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/import/input/ < 1775317523 61487 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in what I wrote) < 1775317658 285726 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: That helps flesh out the picture. < 1775317686 317129 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(My list could never have been exhaustive, of course.) < 1775317710 679674 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Here's a taste of the power of (4). In a computable universe, for any object C, there's a total isomorphism N → C; this is the coding of C in N. Also the universe is Cartesian closed. So there's a total isomorphism N → [N, N]. < 1775317753 745602 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I can map that back to what I know about recursive and partial recursive functions. < 1775317754 690989 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, korvo, do you think my definition of a quine works better now? < 1775317766 398296 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::P < 1775317796 335571 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :An object Y has the fixed-point property when for all t : Y → Y there exists y : Y s.t. t(y) = y; that is, all endomorphisms on Y have fixed points. Then, because isomorphisms are surjections, the code N → [N, N] has the fixed-point property. That's Kleene's second recursion theorem, also called Rogers' fixed point, and it is usually way nastier to prove. < 1775317847 565655 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Tangentially... maybe I should configure my client to ask for confirmation whenever I type ":P". I wonder whether it can even do that.) < 1775317884 818914 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: Not really. I think that you haven't quite approached what I mentioned earlier: the diagonal lemma in a TC system makes it so that any program can have a copy of its own source code, so it's hard to imagine a TC system that forbids quines. (If there were no quines then we could add exactly one quine, as you know.) < 1775317932 255485 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: hm < 1775318101 533689 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's okay to not have a solution for this. It's also okay to come up with something extremely clever which I don't accept at first. I do think that this is a good example of why we can't ignore complexity theory when designing languages. < 1775318115 272685 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea true > 1775318141 984297 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179004&oldid=179003 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+25) 10 < 1775318150 698070 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It's also an excellent example of why we should implement languages as we design them. If you had a private Python script implementing a solution then you could at least test the attempts that people make.) < 1775318169 405306 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775318246 452856 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at this point I am still a little confused on how, even if it is allowed for the program to be in memory, just not the terminal, it still is impossible > 1775318270 291697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179005&oldid=179004 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-28) 10/* Properties */ > 1775318288 883071 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179006&oldid=179005 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+5) 10/* Properties */ < 1775318357 695511 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: I don't want to just quote myself, but I think I put it well on [[self-reproducing object]]. "Specifically, for any legal syntax fragment Q which is open on a single variable, there is a closed fragment Q("Q") which applies that fragment to its own quotation. Applying the diagonal lemma in this fashion is called quining." < 1775318410 7522 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :open on a single variable? < 1775318416 497865 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you have to attack one of those premises: either it's not legal to have open programs somehow (hard!) or quotation somehow can't quote all programs (harder!) < 1775318440 367284 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, the difference between `lambda x: 42` and `(lambda x: 42)(5)`. The former is open and the latter is closed. < 1775318456 15565 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...No, wait, that's wrong. Sorry. < 1775318466 543454 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats fine < 1775318469 610302 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The difference between `x` and `lambda x: x`. The former is open and the latter is closed. < 1775318479 111008 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sorry, I'm clearly still asleep. < 1775318491 683748 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imma leave for a bit, bye! < 1775318504 267422 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...No, that's wrong too. Fuck. I should eat breakfast. < 1775318540 290184 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wow you haven't? damn. yea, dont let me be a distraction from eating < 1775318564 585238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was correct? < 1775318592 24616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :x is open (has a free variable). \x. x is closed (has no free variables) < 1775318617 390111 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaah < 1775318640 510176 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyways, I removed the Turing Complete requirement < 1775318708 459602 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it is hard to ensure while designing anyway) < 1775318780 196463 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had an apple. < 1775318841 346007 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: Yes. What I think you'll eventually find is that TC-ness is a natural barrier which happens to occur in lots of little systems when we apply them to the real world. Design your systems to solve real problems, numerical problems, geometric problems, combinatorial problems, and you'll find TC behavior. < 1775318856 140751 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea > 1775318933 913163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179007&oldid=179006 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+5) 10/* Properties */ > 1775318962 658323 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179008&oldid=179007 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+2) 10/* Properties */ > 1775319003 636453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179009&oldid=179008 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-12) 10/* Properties */ < 1775319066 903489 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Trust no one, not even me. >:3 < 1775319259 83400 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: you had such a nutricious breakfast < 1775319309 219512 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67: Yes! And the evil witch who brought it to me was so nice. She was cackling the entire time and saying that it would change my life! < 1775319359 972656 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Eh, I'm no stranger to the compounding effect of confusion. < 1775319397 272533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Get one thing wrong, doubt everything.) < 1775319404 775201 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: If I'm wrong the first time, I'm probably still wrong the second time. Like, that's a track record of proven performance. < 1775319414 947615 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ie i'e Exactly. < 1775319449 167821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the gamer term is tilting :) < 1775320489 49270 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejˌdɛnb� < 1775320493 618937 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :morning < 1775320507 690555 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mornin' aadenboy < 1775320510 63073 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hru? < 1775320518 459130 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm good! < 1775320526 843262 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :showered earlier < 1775320536 304161 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1775320558 300976 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :me myself have set dragon eater upon a task, and have been doing nothing but giving directions(and observing) < 1775320562 632228 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1775320575 217754 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or I guess that is before the little discussion we had above < 1775320607 354420 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1775320618 750320 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact < 1775320669 55606 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I saw you Mhm! language, I like it < 1775320675 940807 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though it still slightly confuses me < 1775320679 552501 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :confuzzles even < 1775320685 572507 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1775320686 873472 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1775320703 867188 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I threw it together in one (half) school day < 1775320713 92504 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :coould have a bit of a cleaner definition, but otherwise its good(I assume some of the weirdness is because its an April fools joke) < 1775320714 444596 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1775320755 622284 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was definitely not extremely thought out (because it was originally an april fools joke) > 1775320773 637008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179010&oldid=178972 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+42) 10/* esolangs */ < 1775320778 847474 :joast!~joast@2603:90d8:500:31cf:5e0f:3f4b:1cfe:5060 JOIN #esolangs joast :joast < 1775320806 692633 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you'd be ok with it I'd like to make the article a little clearer. < 1775320817 987363 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :absolutely! < 1775320822 973065 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I know the be bold with editing thing but oh well) < 1775320824 567546 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :great! < 1775320827 415279 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :will do later < 1775321078 381787 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :expanding the comments in the A+B program < 1775321083 847160 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I can golf it a bit < 1775321087 875640 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice! < 1775321105 12915 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im quite surprised ive caught you for once in a place where our time zones lime up lol < 1775321164 822693 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just haven't been logging on frequently lol < 1775321168 712292 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :too lazyy < 1775321196 955210 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1775321209 689651 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :me neither(but thats because I left the community for a bit and then came back) < 1775321241 572329 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You're doing fine. There are some folks who take multi-year breaks between editing sessions. < 1775321288 45757 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i didnt intend it to seem like I was disappointed in myself for it or anything likee that) > 1775321578 839996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179011&oldid=178891 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+663) 10/* A+B Problem */ < 1775321587 583162 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there we go < 1775321594 495307 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :noice < 1775321641 862412 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mhm!'s irreversable state reminds me of Countable < 1775321658 117517 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :irreversible* < 1775321770 69391 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you recent languages seem like just a chain from iterate lol < 1775321806 401830 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they def are hehe < 1775321812 411216 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lul < 1775321836 920156 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its kinda similair to Do Minsky which happened a while ago < 1775321874 523239 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and filled up practically my whole interview with Daniel temkin lol < 1775321908 962891 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :been wanting to ask how that worked < 1775321911 369284 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the interview < 1775321934 110326 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.9.1+deb2+b3 - https://znc.in < 1775321934 231568 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.9.1+deb2+b3 - https://znc.in < 1775321984 440584 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just emailed him, and then he interview over email < 1775321997 136043 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :he gives like he questions in lil' groups < 1775322006 243336 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1775322036 971349 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you'd be able to get one! < 1775322064 770493 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i was so very surprised when he said yes < 1775322080 962000 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe later..... < 1775322090 601274 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool < 1775322140 781870 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775322158 342827 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1775322215 621966 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775322400 545026 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1775322538 617454 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1775322580 906095 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejˌdɛnb� < 1775323024 382296 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw aadenboy, do you want to do the same challeneg as dragoneater? < 1775323041 119060 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm good, I'm working on other stuff atm < 1775323051 104007 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k cool < 1775323911 88267 :emery!~quassel@217.155.30.169 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775324191 574850 :emery!~quassel@217.155.30.169 JOIN #esolangs ehmry :Emery < 1775324940 44655 :dragoneater67mob!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :dragoneater67mobile < 1775324942 208033 :dragoneater67mob!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1775325237 826065 :dragoneater67mob!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1775325273 144910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1775325725 630510 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1775326549 932052 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.36.182 JOIN #esolangs * :sftp < 1775326550 9321 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.36.182 CHGHOST ~sftp :user/sftp < 1775326747 233555 :sftp!~sftp@user/sftp QUIT :Client Quit < 1775327648 556080 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i find it interesting how sometimes IRC will show the quit message but not the join message < 1775327839 622741 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775327841 308494 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi im back < 1775327857 765889 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi! hru now? < 1775327859 277021 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :im not on my main dragoneater67 acc bc its taken by my laptop < 1775327865 680881 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :still gud < 1775327868 996107 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :noice < 1775327870 553246 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: depends on the client.. both get sent by server (join & quit I mean) < 1775327885 167365 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :i also can see all the join & quit messages < 1775327888 530182 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: huh. < 1775327895 569510 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Client Quit < 1775327909 621878 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775327929 770157 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :the joins and quits can get noisy in some channels, so some clients have (more or less smart) filters and settings to filter them out < 1775327944 358563 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh huh. cool < 1775327945 567411 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure what the current webchat does really < 1775327969 916980 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :which client do you use btw? < 1775327982 977677 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :libera < 1775327987 683061 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lul < 1775327989 519576 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :i use catgirl < 1775328004 875735 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i srsly dont know that much 'bout IRC whatsoever < 1775328022 220706 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i used libera, when users join and quit with no say, the join/quit messages cancel out i think < 1775328023 572691 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :its for chatting < 1775328035 705079 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Client Quit < 1775328048 643708 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775328049 73621 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know, but I mean, I know nothing about clients, the inner workings, ect. < 1775328087 34866 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm currently reading the irc client protocol (rfc 2812) < 1775328092 5568 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool < 1775328098 173785 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are many clients < 1775328101 97055 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :like pidgin < 1775328103 967672 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :hexchat < 1775328111 1015 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :catgirl (my fav) < 1775328112 474474 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :irssi < 1775328128 876285 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm using it to build my own client, it's exhaustive, but it may help with learning the internals < 1775328136 389724 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool < 1775328140 791727 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use weechat, works well enough for me < 1775328146 432907 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :very much so < 1775328155 621712 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775328164 759080 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :i hate libera client < 1775328175 571136 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :it disconnects on every occasion < 1775328176 455137 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why? < 1775328179 683234 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1775328186 389727 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its good enough for me < 1775328199 991076 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just the same as having to reload discord every other second for some reason < 1775328201 276011 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sooo < 1775328345 647457 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :i had this idea < 1775328366 331617 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if we make a turing incomplete esolang < 1775328375 274146 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is capable of running collatz conjecture < 1775328387 621225 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775328393 8721 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that the halting problem is undecidable < 1775328394 343855 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that seems quite simple < 1775328400 4981 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater81: that's tricky to do in a generalised way because the Collatz conjecture is very close to being Turing-complete on its own < 1775328401 998284 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :but its turing incomolete < 1775328408 910270 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aahh < 1775328410 455086 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait < 1775328418 993552 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk if we are talking 'bout the same ting < 1775328420 701237 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :very close indeed < 1775328455 732294 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :i had a design for such a language < 1775328466 825706 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooooh < 1775328469 622442 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775328471 168286 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i lost it < 1775328477 745007 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sad < 1775328480 254169 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: the original collatz function halves even numbers and calculates 3n+1 for odd numbers < 1775328481 40442 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, the username is back! < 1775328493 645383 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yea I know < 1775328509 287119 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the conjecture is that if you iterate it, it reaches 1 from any positive integer < 1775328519 763502 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i know < 1775328527 426831 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it undecidable if it will? < 1775328558 727869 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :lets say that we have an unbounded nonnegative integer accumulator A < 1775328565 788388 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1775328575 512503 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you replace "odd" and "even" by values modulo a number other than 2, and allow arbitrary scale factors (the original Collatz function uses ½ and 3 as the scale factors), it's Turing-complete < 1775328594 121191 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :the program runs in an implicit infinite loop (e.g. when end is reached, it loops back to start) < 1775328595 367076 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the specific choie of numbers ½n+0 and 3n+1 aren't known to be Turing-complete, though < 1775328601 181003 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea I know that as well < 1775328620 575676 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the addition isn't needed for TCness, either, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tip is TC using just the multiplication < 1775328634 230668 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :das nice < 1775328635 438690 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :% halves A < 1775328647 230561 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :+ increments A < 1775328656 310408 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :3 triples A < 1775328678 584691 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and another interesting special case is when all the scale factors are the same (and only the additive factor changes), this one isn't known to be TC but appears in multiple unsolved problems < 1775328700 952686 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :( jumps to matching ) if A is even < 1775328712 621943 :dragoneater81!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775328721 622390 :dragoneater31!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775328723 196853 :dragoneater31!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :) jumps back to start < 1775328739 920341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait what? < 1775328742 339334 :dragoneater31!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :! decrements A and halts if 0 < 1775328743 254331 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. the Hydra/Antihydra problem maps even n to 1½n and odd n to 1½n-½, and asks whether you ever end up with an extreme bias in odd versus even results (twice as many of one as the other) < 1775328752 777002 :dragoneater31!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think that was the entire design < 1775328755 871633 :dragoneater31!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Client Quit < 1775328757 634477 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it really seems like it shouldn't but it is extremely hard to prove this < 1775328759 575829 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so ( jumps back to start if even? < 1775328902 358089 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, so in that set of Collatz functions, you allow the program to give as many different scaling factors as your modulus? < 1775328941 440224 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: in traditional generalized Collatz and Tip, you can have a different scale factor for every value of the modulus, yes < 1775328955 561579 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. ½ and 3 in the original Collatz function < 1775328962 621468 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775328970 715532 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok good < 1775329001 528250 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use "consistent Collatz" as a name for the version where all the scale factors are the same (this is the version that https://esolangs.org/wiki/Feed_the_Chaos implements) < 1775329027 586984 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wbu collatz where its always a value under one for the first value? < 1775329040 185208 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in other words it always divides(by an integer) < 1775329041 854646 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :consistent Collatz can be simulated in quasilinear time despite the size of the numbers growing exponentially < 1775329079 245474 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: I have to be careful talking about this, because I studied it for languages like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Conedy but I think I screwed up / got confused, so my memories about how this works are based on incorrect data < 1775329165 706087 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in general I am surprisingly bad at reasoning about this sort of "inverted Collatz" where you are using values between 0 and 1 and scaling based on the interval, rather than using integers and scaling based on the modulus < 1775329196 605331 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1775329227 188872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( arithmetic coding vs range coding ) < 1775329244 67615 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: huh, that does seem very related < 1775329285 651919 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a "branchless" way to define generalized collatz btw? or atleast is one known < 1775329315 941689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had heard that some generalizations of Collatz are computationally hard, but without explanation, and this generalization is a nice explanation for thiat < 1775329334 338289 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: you need something conditional-like but it can be a branchless conditional < 1775329343 670268 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea I guess that makes sense < 1775329353 817316 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. a Tip interpreter usually isn't branchy at all, it just takes the modulus, indexes into an array, and multiplies < 1775329359 490187 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :something somerginf BCT < 1775329364 907421 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but array indexing is basically a form of branchless conditional < 1775329365 632972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: oh there is a connection there at a conceptual level; I just don't see that it's useful if your goal is to tackle the Collatz type conjectures < 1775329370 350868 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :specifically I heard this as explanation for why eg. Turing-machines with very few states and symbols can have hard to predict behavior < 1775329380 377653 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: my goal is more to work out Conedy's computational class < 1775329454 824658 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would describe what the language does as follows: you have a working number which is a bounded rational (going out of bounds = halt), you can jump based on whether it is greater than or less than a fixed rational, you can also add, subtract, multiply by or divide by a constant < 1775329473 195649 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I originally assumed this was analogous to generalized Collatz and then realised that it wasn't < 1775329477 694552 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because you can't do a modulo test < 1775329578 190914 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67: I found catgirl to be quite nice too. < 1775329689 342445 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a nice natural-sounding description < 1775329712 754696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: ah you made the nets closed. awkward < 1775329735 752506 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but eh, several things are awkward compared to Trajedy) < 1775329826 925994 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67: I'm using an older KVIrc client < 1775330443 610393 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1775330463 223916 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I don't even think closedness versus openness matters here? if hitting a net is closed, missing it is open < 1775330529 598353 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1775330583 499536 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Hmm, maybe. But this prevents you from making a closed diagonal line of nets, for example, the way you can with mirrors in Trajedy. But yeah maybe you don't have to. < 1775330985 863284 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see that closedness makes defining things easier; to make open nets work, you'd have to do the ray intersection test with the open net, but then still use the closed one for finding the point of collision and determining the new trajectory. < 1775331269 779777 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm < 1775331277 770262 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i meant gamja, not libera, the irc server itself. libera also has kiwi as a web client, but i'm not sure how that differs < 1775331297 40705 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think ive made an interesting idea for a lang < 1775331370 227649 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in which every cell holds a reference to a subsection of the whole tape(which ofcourse itself nests, and so on) < 1775331384 312295 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then you'd be able to change which section, making very non local changes < 1775331393 163572 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you'd be able to nest into the cell ofc < 1775332362 631030 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1424:82b2:f396:6f05 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775332526 131062 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1775332531 187879 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775332692 20059 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1775332848 168300 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1775333152 676351 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 > 1775334839 177292 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Nightcat47853456759 5* 10New user account < 1775337638 68295 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1775339739 690328 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775341719 112842 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775341798 310525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some time ago someone here wrote some Burroughs E101 code. I should probably figure out where, since I've resumed writing my E101 emulator < 1775344712 350 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1775344773 342810 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.36.182 JOIN #esolangs * :sftp < 1775344773 421589 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.36.182 CHGHOST ~sftp :user/sftp < 1775345235 284844 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775345380 892053 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1775351112 120456 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement > 1775351139 603310 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Aidanace3 5* 10New user account < 1775351482 615209 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in < 1775351602 363713 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1775351620 659908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e and sorear both wrote sorter things for E101 but the debian pastebin expired. I saved sorear's < 1775352264 20200 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 QUIT :Quit: goodbye for now! back another day < 1775352349 894785 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :really < 1775353181 464058 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :...or maybe it was pseudocode, sorry. < 1775353184 468420 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't remember < 1775353205 255726 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's likely lost anyway < 1775354704 366562 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1775354742 627677 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :op_4 < 1775354944 323982 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1775354969 834823 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Client Quit > 1775357537 687362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179012&oldid=178998 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+257) 10 < 1775361458 929650 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1775361797 871813 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179013&oldid=179001 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (+2633) 10update :DDD > 1775362243 503260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179014&oldid=179013 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (+102) 10i forgor the categories and some stuff < 1775362541 622003 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775362543 265463 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1775362579 38412 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Client Quit < 1775362598 621652 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775362619 848489 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Client Quit < 1775363008 901012 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 CHGHOST ~somefan :user/somefan < 1775363178 621475 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775363401 628247 :dragoneater5!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775363416 594838 :dragoneater5!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow i love libera online client so much < 1775363437 622645 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775363527 633823 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] dragoneater68 < 1775363536 803574 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh my nickname is back < 1775363622 568108 :dragoneater68!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Client Quit < 1775363662 621356 :dragoneater5!~dragoneat@95.57.175.228.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1775363889 245415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179015&oldid=179014 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (+650) 10misclick > 1775363943 386594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179016&oldid=179015 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (+18) 10categories gone wrong < 1775365219 621228 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:6584:3128:2f35:72cb JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere > 1775365817 361113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179017&oldid=99659 5* 03Tpaefawzen 5* (-38) 10/* External resources */ url updated > 1775366546 976605 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179018&oldid=179017 5* 03Tpaefawzen 5* (+475) 10Two levels of specs > 1775367156 794799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179019&oldid=179018 5* 03Tpaefawzen 5* (+29) 10/* Extensions */ +1 < 1775368154 804516 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1775368449 279343 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:6584:3128:2f35:72cb PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1775368906 603992 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi Yayimhere < 1775368917 654165 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:6584:3128:2f35:72cb PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi ais523! < 1775368929 973828 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:6584:3128:2f35:72cb PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are ya doin? < 1775369004 943773 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :much the same as yesterday I think > 1775369235 580033 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Second Coming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179020&oldid=178579 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+88) 10 < 1775369249 991509 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:6584:3128:2f35:72cb PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1775369454 308023 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:6584:3128:2f35:72cb PRIVMSG #esolangs :me myself am fine, just a little sleepy < 1775369466 544303 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:6584:3128:2f35:72cb PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i woke up like an hour ago) > 1775370261 958649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RedboiVR 5* 10New user account < 1775372072 36178 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1775373875 631957 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775374234 49165 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1775374332 814486 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:6584:3128:2f35:72cb QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1775374442 127925 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179021&oldid=147002 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-2) 10remove extra newlines at the start of the page > 1775374451 474638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179022&oldid=179021 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-1) 10 > 1775374928 602968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179023&oldid=179019 5* 03Tpaefawzen 5* (+167) 10/* Basics */ < 1775378827 152822 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1775379827 562351 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775380179 733302 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1775380917 175539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179024&oldid=178890 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+155) 10/* Negative indexed cells? */ > 1775381011 131883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179025&oldid=179024 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+1) 10/* Negative indexed cells? */ < 1775381409 624279 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1775382296 874993 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179026&oldid=179012 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+1575) 10/* math */ > 1775382392 713673 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179027&oldid=179026 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+128) 10/* math.googology */ > 1775382843 126388 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mathlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179028&oldid=178975 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+215) 10/* Commands */ fix a lot of bugs to interpret it, the most important being mixing postfix and infix > 1775382991 806894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mathlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179029&oldid=179028 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+121) 10/* Examples */ > 1775384508 62724 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None1/InDev14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179030&oldid=176275 5* 03None1 5* (-523) 10Change spec of whole language, the older one cease to exist > 1775384634 198542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Functionable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179031&oldid=178868 5* 03PKMN Trainer 5* (+3) 10/* Hello World */ < 1775386760 532955 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1775387470 247311 :DOS_User_webchat!~DOS_User_@user/DOS-User:11249 JOIN #esolangs DOS_User :[https://web.libera.chat] DOS_User_webchat < 1775389498 770257 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775390197 40510 :DOS_User_webchat!~DOS_User_@user/DOS-User:11249 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775391638 225050 :DOS_User!~DOS_User@user/DOS-User:11249 JOIN #esolangs DOS_User :realname < 1775391656 659896 :DOS_User!~DOS_User@user/DOS-User:11249 QUIT :Client Quit < 1775392427 167895 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1775392826 783700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179032&oldid=178951 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+2481) 10 > 1775392884 360517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179033&oldid=179032 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+1) 10 > 1775392934 902942 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179034&oldid=179033 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+0) 10 > 1775393075 594913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179035&oldid=179034 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (-134) 10 > 1775393100 638217 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179036&oldid=179035 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (-52) 10 > 1775393336 543070 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179037&oldid=179036 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+109) 10 < 1775394180 907130 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1775394800 26146 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None1/InDev14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179038&oldid=179030 5* 03None1 5* (+310) 10 < 1775395586 883746 :svm!~msv@user/msv NICK :msv < 1775397460 94440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh the riscv PR got merged without further ado. Yay. < 1775397934 909825 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1775397934 989456 :gbrls!bce83f28c2@user/gbrls QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1775397935 88379 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1775397935 162233 :dcreager!a9e780c4d1@2a03:6000:1812:100::136b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1775397949 134903 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan JOIN #esolangs ManDeJan :ManDeJan < 1775398197 719806 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: congrats < 1775398589 886740 :dcreager!a9e780c4d1@2a03:6000:1812:100::136b JOIN #esolangs dcreager :Douglas Creager < 1775398626 237930 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 JOIN #esolangs ursa-major :Bailey Bjornstad < 1775398637 999240 :gbrls!bce83f28c2@user/gbrls JOIN #esolangs gbrls :gbrls < 1775398680 265265 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, but we have to wait until it propagates from the source into the downloadable documents < 1775398971 308044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1775399435 974618 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this reminds me of https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21383 , though that turned out to be a bug in the tool used for format conversion (texinfo) < 1775399608 330214 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775401341 864203 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1775404467 37972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cattaratus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179039 5* 03RixTheTyrunt 5* (+2315) 10Created page with "{{Lowercase}}{{WIP}}{{Stub}} {{infobox proglang | name=cattaratus | author=[[User:RixTheTyrunt]] | year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] | class=Unknown | dimensions=[[:Category:Two-dimensional languages|Two-dimensional]] }} '''cattaratus''' is a two dimensional esoteric > 1775405631 13979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179040&oldid=179025 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+357) 10 < 1775407201 341095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1775407723 772169 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1775408112 328722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179041&oldid=179040 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+53) 10/* Negative indexed cells? */ > 1775408287 255387 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179042&oldid=179037 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+222) 10 > 1775408438 269092 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179043&oldid=179011 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+118) 10I did a rewrite to make the memory space a little more intuitive/easy to understand, feel free to correct any mistakes. Note that I "flipped" the tape, since it makes sense because the positive indexed cells cant be indexed < 1775408586 805534 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1775408772 823079 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179044&oldid=179043 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-13) 10flipping these > 1775408865 323332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179045&oldid=179044 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+33) 10/* Memory */ > 1775408903 873449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179046&oldid=179045 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+11) 100 indexed > 1775408940 852176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179047&oldid=179046 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-1) 10forgot this < 1775409156 453363 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejˌdɛnb� < 1775409163 784515 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :morning < 1775409203 576448 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello > 1775409672 846297 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mhm!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179048&oldid=179047 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-258) 10/* A+B Problem */ redid the program > 1775409692 67047 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179049&oldid=178840 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+405) 10/* Mhm! */ update this > 1775409738 966395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179050&oldid=178838 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-105) 10update Mhm! program < 1775409790 599905 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1775410436 279481 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:9b40:2009:1900:525f:fb13:352b:695e JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1775411105 623445 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775411115 800371 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi! < 1775411173 399168 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1775411193 410141 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are ya' doing today? < 1775411218 17624 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(me myself am good, the creative juices are flowing well) < 1775411315 996249 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yet another respected computer scientist has lost their mind to a chatbot: https://lobste.rs/s/063ldo/why_lean < 1775411337 311994 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow < 1775411345 155892 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :lost their mind in what sense of the expression < 1775411350 91191 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :<+ < 1775411351 857252 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :*? < 1775411444 541114 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In terms of Hofstadter minds, I mean that they partially exported their cognition to the chatbot. The chatbot isn't a deterministic tool or reliable physical artifact, so the export is never complete; the resulting mind can't perceive that a huge bite has been taken out of it. < 1775411473 874173 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :aah < 1775411495 492599 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Think of a glove. When you put on the glove, for a few minutes, everything feels strange to your fingers. But eventually you adapt and you can treat the glove as if it were your actual hand, because the signals transmitted to your brain are now glove-encoded instead of bare-hand-encoded. < 1775411517 771355 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then when you take it off, your brain adjusts again. We've done experiments replicating this effect for vision, hearing, and a few other senses. < 1775411520 750958 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea that makes sense < 1775411592 300389 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, this guy's one of the authors of Lean. I think Lean sucks, but that's just my personal opinion. Here, he says a lot of wrong and misleading things about Lean in order to promote it. That seems normal for a marketer or intern, but he's a senior researcher and one of the original authors! < 1775411596 853794 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:9b40:2009:1900:525f:fb13:352b:695e QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1775411601 183555 :Thelie1!~Thelie@185.13.31.202 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1775411615 550979 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea thats pretty wild < 1775411637 563527 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive never heard of lean myself, but I dont suspect it being worth the time to look into < 1775411670 784534 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello Yayimhere! < 1775411674 566232 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You should definitely take a look so that you can recognize its syntax. However, if you actually want to *use* it, I would politely suggest that you try Idris 2 instead; Idris is a much simpler language with roughly the same quality of tooling. < 1775411698 942013 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: Hello! how are ya doin? < 1775411712 599601 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :and what did you think of my... clarification? rewrite? who knows < 1775411733 124963 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm good! and your clarification was helpful < 1775411739 470627 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :def good choice to flip the tape around < 1775411748 27413 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks! < 1775411760 220600 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :though perhaps the choice of symbols will be a little strange now < 1775411763 91085 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :lul < 1775411782 597507 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, I assume unusable cells cannot be nested into < 1775411787 322949 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1775411793 340364 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: ok, will do at some point < 1775411793 830179 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I flipped the commands around so they make sense too < 1775411802 48045 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: nice! < 1775411833 263517 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(right now im trying to look into Stratego/XT, which is taking a bit of time cuz im getting distracted) < 1775411893 924859 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's that? < 1775411908 42793 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :a software transformations language thing < 1775411923 143565 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found out it existed while trying to find a GPL that is based on string rewriting < 1775411933 248142 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that wasn't just tree rewriting) < 1775411936 544730 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1775411941 935834 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :or atleast intended to be GPL < 1775412045 562641 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyways, I was interested in your idea of memory either being recursive, or unusable < 1775412050 953793 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What does "based on" mean? Like, I could say Python is a string-rewriter, in the sense that there are extremely tortured rules with transitions like `(lambda x: x + 1)(5)` -> `6`. < 1775412080 763543 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Most of the languages that you're going to find which *only* do string-rewriting are therefore going to be *meta* languages; they're languages for describing compilers, linters, type-checkers, etc. < 1775412084 757414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: That first paragraph makes me cringe. And it leads *nowhere* (unless you vibe with vibes I guess. I don't.) > 1775412103 990194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Adj14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179051&oldid=178852 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+26) 10Amended an instance of cacography and supplemented the page category tag Implemented. < 1775412116 258327 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: mainly focused around? the main paradigm? the thing it was designed to do? something around there < 1775412125 334893 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yea, it does all seem like metalanguages in what I found < 1775412132 626543 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean: rando I've never heard of had a "wow" reaction to an incoherent list of bullet points with no discernable connection between them. Color me impressed. < 1775412156 728040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I /can/ fill in a connection. But the text doesn't provide one.) < 1775412173 3874 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: The absolute numbers make it worse. Opening Mathlib at the REPL takes like 3GiB of RAM and several minutes wait. Verifying all of Mathlib at the REPL supposedly takes *hours*. The "Lean implemented in Lean" compiler relies on 8KLoC of unproven C++ kernel. < 1775412199 192465 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :neat < 1775412213 300630 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm glad we're not using dead languages. < 1775412223 963809 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, nothing obscure there. < 1775412233 172462 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Lean"ing on nothing you could say? /j < 1775412289 506682 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Note that if I wasn't somewhat sympathetic to the cause I would not read any of the later stuff anyway. < 1775412299 907358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
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< 1775412301 428235 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :weird < 1775412303 390681 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: Sure. So, the big reason that tree rewriting became more popular is that strings have no abstractive horizon. Like, imagine doing natural numbers with pure string rewriting. You could count in unary but that's inefficient. You could use binary but that would require extra rules for every operation to specify rules like carrying during addition. < 1775412358 34236 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: yea. its not that surprising, really(and I'd assume strings arent that efficient over other data structures, both for manipulating and storing data) < 1775412364 669350 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I'm not wholly disconnected from it either. I'm thinking about contributing a little to rpylean, an alternative kernel in RPython. < 1775412448 608927 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, arent matrices kinda just restricted trees(since trees are also just nested arrays, right?) < 1775412467 910632 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know this is kinda off topic but, oh well < 1775412471 317577 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: There's a nice dovetail here. I think that, if you want to *use* a string-rewriting system today, you should use Metamath. If you really want to *invent* a new one then you need a good reason. For example, Zaddy's rationale is that I think I can figure out ACE-matching, which is kind of an open problem. < 1775412491 340046 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: that is in fact nice < 1775412501 139845 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :i will also look into Metamath < 1775412508 522174 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I'll start a reading list, actually < 1775412509 962718 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Matrices are linear transformations! They're not at all trees. We only write them like that for traditional reasons. The higher-dimensional version of a matrix is a tensor. < 1775412606 720661 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :aa! thats nice < 1775412964 268604 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimhere: You're really close to a deep insight, BTW. Like, everything we've been talking about is just pencil-and-paper, yeah? You could just draw trees on paper, or use matrix notation on paper, or write out strings on paper. < 1775413004 16763 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Turing proved that we can only recognize finitely many distinct symbols on a finite piece of paper. Every piece of paper *is* a finite string. < 1775413013 681133 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So *all* computation, from the beginning, was string rewriting. < 1775413039 277733 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh. that is in fact some insight < 1775413054 37449 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh. well then, maybe I should go look at a peice of paper a little more < 1775413070 599659 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, how do you draw a tree? Well, you draw some symbols for nodes and some symbols for arrows, and you have to arrange the arrows with whitespace so that they point to the right nodes. So your string has a *dimensionality* to it, constraining how you can associate symbols to each other. < 1775413120 544144 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :true... < 1775413351 988448 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: fwiw I think the "correct" way to do integers in a string-rewriting language is for the program to see them as unary and the implementation to optimise them < 1775413600 832858 :Thelie1!~Thelie@185.13.31.202 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1775413860 369534 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah, perhaps. Another decent approach is to only allow schematic rewriting: every rewriting rule is an axiom schema rather than a single concrete axiom. So `Sx + y` -> `S(x + y)` holds for all syntactic x and y. Metamath requires type annotations to make this work in practice. < 1775413893 425398 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"type" is maybe the wrong word for a syntax class, but it's the one we've got. < 1775413902 111068 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1775414893 647521 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:9b40:2009:1900:525f:fb13:352b:695e JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1775415661 767744 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:9b40:2009:1900:525f:fb13:352b:695e QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1775415665 662260 :Thelie1!~Thelie@185.13.31.202 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1775416497 168286 :Thelie1!~Thelie@185.13.31.202 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1775416626 967459 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775417453 644022 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1775417727 321877 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: it depends on what you want. if you want to use the esolang to run programs and especially readable programs then that makes sense. but if you want to prove that the language itself is capable of better performance then you might implement the numbers in binary (or some higher radix) in the string language. you can still have an optional optimized version in the emulator even in that case < 1775417733 329993 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(optional because sometimes you want to turn the optimization on to test that your in-language implementation works correctly). < 1775417755 495446 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I admit I'm something of a believer in the "sufficiently smart compiler" point of view < 1775417771 376375 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially when it comes to esolangs, which frequently can manage an O(n) speedup with some fairly simple optimisations < 1775417987 621663 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4106:29df:1c6c:72bb:e087:1bbf QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775418151 765601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yeah, I was mostly thinking not of a smart compiler, but a library that implements arithmetic, with two implementations, one in the esolang and one in the emulator that uses the non-esoteric host's arithmetic capabilities < 1775418165 915308 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, like INTERCAL < 1775418196 427822 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :arithmetic in INTERCAL generally requires a loop, and INTERCAL is very hard to optimise across statements due to things like computed COME FROM < 1775418222 218090 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1775418226 932918 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so in practice having hardcoded arithmetic subroutines gives you a lot of efficiency over trying to optimise ones written directly in iNTERCAL < 1775418229 72568 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :obviously this only applies to some esolangs < 1775418411 762511 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775418895 404512 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1775418919 129555 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1775419066 539068 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1775419662 671866 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Danicb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179052&oldid=139524 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+36) 10I really should implement this. < 1775426321 566870 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775428538 476317 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1775432889 627912 :cactushead!~cactus_he@2403-580d-b040-0-1942-774d-f8a8-6392.ip6.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775432916 106494 :cactushead!~cactus_he@2403-580d-b040-0-1942-774d-f8a8-6392.ip6.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs cactushead :cactus head < 1775433733 158242 :aadenboy|2!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejˌdɛnb� < 1775433843 483724 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1775434215 678716 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :would sigaltstack be able to instruct the operating system to restore some (arch-dependent) registers other than just the stack pointer to values saved at the time of the sigaltstack call? or would that break more portable uses of sigaltstack? < 1775434271 123127 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could imagine the register that stores the pointer to the thread-specific values table if you wish < 1775434341 400404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't mean the kernel would just look at the value of that register at the time when you call sigaltstack but that the program would fill that value in explicitly in the struct stack_t value that it passes to the sigaltstack call < 1775434866 191213 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1775436039 462693 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm asking because the RISC-V ABI document, and it says three of the general-purpose registers are reserved to be used as stack pointer, global pointer, and per-thread pointer respectively, and these have to hold valid values at all times because signal handlers can rely on them. Presumably you can use sigaltstack to unreserve the stack pointer, but I wonder if you could unreserve the other two as well. < 1775436045 469474 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are 31 general-purpose registers in this arch, and they roughly correspond to how the 16 general-purpose registers are used in x86: there are separate floating-point registers if the CPU supports floating point, and separate vector registers if vector instructions are supported, so these usually store scalar integer values. 32 or 64 bit wide depending on whether this is the 32-bit or 64-bit RISC-V < 1775436051 477986 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :architecture -- the two are separate in userland, just like x86_32 and x86_64. < 1775436271 896609 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So for some optimized hand-written inner loops, unreserving all three of those registers could be useful, even if you have to restore them outside of the inner loop because functions compiled normally can rely on them of course. < 1775436797 635068 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1775437909 283362 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I had mentioned "communist hands" in Texas Hold'em poker many years ago, but now I made up a way to make points for a poker hand with flower card (although maybe someone will want to make changes to it), so we can make the flower communist hands. < 1775438189 474832 :aadenboy|2!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 QUIT :Quit: goodbye for now! back another day < 1775440775 743030 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, why doesn't this ABI have a stack redzone? it was defined late enough that the technique was known < 1775440825 479009 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the instruction set can use signed immediate offsets encoded into load/store instructions so you can address below the stack pointer too < 1775443992 125332 :somefan_!~somefan_@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :alt < 1775444041 88684 :somefan_!~somefan_@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LO < 1775444113 875958 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool < 1775444633 375270 :somefan_!~somefan_@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1775449442 660507 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ZeroStack2D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179053&oldid=176624 5* 03NeurosamaLover 5* (+212) 10/* Research links */ new section > 1775449558 600889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ZeroGrid2D14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179054 5* 03NeurosamaLover 5* (+210) 10Created page with "== Research links == Add links to external blogs, discussions, or research pages about this language here. --~~~~" < 1775450530 274988 :somefan_!~somefan@2607:fb91:83d:3e7:d42f:8554:62a7:cea8 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775450583 346467 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1775453841 346083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179055 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+904) 10Created page with "'''(3+!+)%!+''' is a Turing-incomplete esolang based on [[Wikipedia:Collatz conjecture|Collatz conjecture]] made by [[User:Dragoneater67]] to show that [[Turing-complete]]ness is not neccessary for the halting problem to be undecidable. == Overview == Ther > 1775453929 906033 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater6714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179056&oldid=178980 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+103) 10/* but really... */ > 1775455390 551461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Abacus Computer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179057&oldid=174602 5* 03Timm 5* (+13) 10 < 1775455783 621611 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4656:f19f:f48b:28aa:a2e4:75a3 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere < 1775455793 97491 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4656:f19f:f48b:28aa:a2e4:75a3 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello! < 1775455946 942272 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4656:f19f:f48b:28aa:a2e4:75a3 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67: have you made any progress on the FWoTD thing? < 1775455965 407053 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4656:f19f:f48b:28aa:a2e4:75a3 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or have you abandoned it? < 1775457076 730511 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1775459156 553997 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179058&oldid=179055 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+28) 10category > 1775459259 694901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179059&oldid=179058 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+1) 10fix example < 1775460250 690521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1775461962 147493 :somefan_!~somefan@2607:fb91:83d:3e7:d42f:8554:62a7:cea8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1775462009 201126 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Septem Lingua14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179060&oldid=179027 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+1166) 10 < 1775462138 38956 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1775462362 287706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:(3+!+)%!+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179061 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+188) 10Created page with "im not doubting it, but it'd be nice to see a full proof that its not TC. --~~~~" < 1775466205 765661 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4656:f19f:f48b:28aa:a2e4:75a3 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1775466249 957019 :shikhin!~shikhin@offtopia/offtopian QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1775466256 921349 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space JOIN #esolangs * :shikhin < 1775466325 351722 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :offtopia/offtopian < 1775469497 913646 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1775471940 623716 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4656:f19f:f48b:28aa:a2e4:75a3 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimhere > 1775472830 550209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179062&oldid=179059 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (-1) 10/* Collatz conjecture */ > 1775472851 815571 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179063&oldid=179062 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+48) 10/* Overview */ > 1775472877 460865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179064&oldid=179063 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (-28) 10 > 1775472994 58797 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179065&oldid=179064 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+1) 10/* Collatz conjecture */ the extra bracket is needed, cuz it also loops after even check > 1775473092 612904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179066&oldid=179065 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+32) 10/* Examples */ < 1775474289 436460 :jinn6!jan6@tilde.team/user/jan6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1775474785 338246 :Yayimhere!~Yayimhere@2a02:aa7:4656:f19f:f48b:28aa:a2e4:75a3 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1775475126 588981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179067&oldid=179066 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+0) 10/* Collatz conjecture */ > 1775475175 165798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179068&oldid=179067 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (-1) 10/* Looping counter */ not needed because theres an implicit loop < 1775475206 941374 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:795f:6a6f:7cb5:ecd6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1775475682 513981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179069&oldid=179016 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (+0) 10better-machine is wrong < 1775475939 931991 :somefan!~somefan@2607:fb90:ea9c:4a45:412:4125:7556:dbd3 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775479267 443603 :jinn6!jan6@tilde.team/user/jan6 JOIN #esolangs jinn6 :genThey're Advocatus Diaboli < 1775479650 220613 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1775479733 116999 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1775479833 115195 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:8cf8:7bb7:a0e:7cfa JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1775480786 711590 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:8cf8:7bb7:a0e:7cfa QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1775481673 908088 :somefan!~somefan@2607:fb90:ea9c:4a45:412:4125:7556:dbd3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1775481675 647300 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1775482543 933019 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775483340 714605 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:8cf8:7bb7:a0e:7cfa JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1775483710 973787 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179070&oldid=179061 5* 03Mrtli08 5* (+175) 10 > 1775483821 32341 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Abacus Computer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179071 5* 03Mrtli08 5* (+149) 10Created page with "If this is still being developed i think we need turingcus computer --~~~~" > 1775484726 127823 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turingcus Computer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179072 5* 03Mrtli08 5* (+895) 10Created page with "Turingcus Computer is a improved version of [[Abacus Computer]] with new features. Also its no longer a [[OISC]] with the INT instruction. ===Default values=== * R0 = 0 * R1 = 1 * RN = -1 * RS = 0 (Starting value) * IP = 0 (default value, increases for every > 1775484784 87500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Mrtli0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179073&oldid=178588 5* 03Mrtli08 5* (+76) 10 > 1775484889 419756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Mrtli0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179074&oldid=179073 5* 03Mrtli08 5* (+129) 10 > 1775484895 297303 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Mrtli0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179075&oldid=179074 5* 03Mrtli08 5* (+5) 10 < 1775488086 378876 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1775488480 880017 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan < 1775490084 450429 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1775490677 195752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179076&oldid=179070 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+268) 10 < 1775490806 603781 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1775492429 882095 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1775499285 850189 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 NICK :mission_speciali < 1775499326 350588 :mission_speciali!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 NICK :op_4 < 1775499513 348513 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 NICK :missionspecialis < 1775499542 780635 :missionspecialis!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 NICK :op_4 < 1775503409 828418 :somefan!~somefan@2607:fb91:894:8c0e:457e:a712:919b:39b7 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775503420 419738 :somefan!~somefan@2607:fb91:894:8c0e:457e:a712:919b:39b7 CHGHOST ~somefan :user/somefan < 1775504126 88937 :somefan_!~somefan@2607:fb91:8a9:c1f:1d88:791f:8322:ef9a JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1775504211 961424 :somefan_!~somefan@2607:fb91:8a9:c1f:1d88:791f:8322:ef9a QUIT :Client Quit 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:somefan!~somefan@2607:fb91:8a9:c1f:4c07:daaa:550c:ea49 CHGHOST ~somefan :user/somefan < 1775505339 347756 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1775505430 586781 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1775505600 999353 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1775508086 857566 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1775509646 180980 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 JOIN #esolangs * :11,8aadenboy — it's pronounced [ˈejˌdɛnb� < 1775509650 58950 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :afternoon < 1775509717 573074 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :xaadenboy: ' < 1775509728 559146 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whoops < 1775511031 497197 :Lymia!~lymia@lilac.servers.aura.moe QUIT :Quit: zzzz <3 < 1775511080 558562 :Lymia!~lymia@lilac.servers.aura.moe JOIN 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571869 :Thelie!~Thelie@185.13.31.202 JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie > 1775515772 935633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pathana/Crawling Chaos14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179079 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+17600) 10Created page with "The Crawling Chaos series of integers is an important part of Pathana. It is ideally generated by taking the specific provided rendition of H. P. Lovecraft's [https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/crc.aspx The Crawling Chaos] and ana < 1775516024 807060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1775516755 94424 :Thelie!~Thelie@185.13.31.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1775516761 945788 :Thelie!~Thelie@185.13.31.202 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1775518587 671710 :Thelie!~Thelie@185.13.31.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1775518594 851877 :Thelie!~Thelie@185.13.31.202 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1775520423 356269 :Thelie!~Thelie@185.13.31.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1775521088 102680 :amby!~ambylastn@host-81-178-153-130.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1775521530 938016 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1775521567 950501 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1775528402 472838 :somefan!~somefan@2607:fb91:8a9:c1f:61ca:3c9c:aed7:7e87 QUIT :Quit: i quit < 1775530667 996388 :aadenboy!~aadenboy@172.56.104.58 QUIT :Quit: goodbye for now! back another day > 1775539510 909599 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071r14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179080&oldid=179078 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+4) 10/* Encountering Non-Whitespace */ I just realized that if it checks *before* the next increment, then it doesn't actually touch 9 new cells in the way I was envisioning. > 1775539598 652732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071r14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179081&oldid=179080 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+121) 10/* Movement */ < 1775546344 812227 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1775546812 396325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Haczyk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179082&oldid=143654 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-849) 10/* Not Turing-Complete */ looping conditionally can be a sufficient mechanism for turing completeness(see brainf*). for the first condition, eh? I dont think it has to, but maybe it does idk. but this isn't sufficient proof. the conditions for turin g completeness is i > 1775550758 267113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lim Soon Yi 3k 5* 10New user account