00:05:38 <esolangs> [[REFRACTRAN]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194002 * ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing * (+20625) Created page with "REFRACTRAN is a reversible variant of [[FRACTRAN]], investigated by [[User:ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing]] at least as early as June of 2024, but first posted in September of 2026. REFRACTRAN replaces FRACTRAN's repeated searches with a s
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00:08:30 <esolangs> [[User:ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194004&oldid=190485 * ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing * (+17)
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00:30:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:REFRACTRAN]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194005 * Ais523 * (+514) I'm not sure this language is actually reversible
00:39:25 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: document modified: wholly devoid of either hair or beard, and the head turned restlessly with closed eyes.
00:39:54 <aadenboy> currently working on a parser so I don't have to convert those hopscotch programs by hand
00:40:44 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194006&oldid=193991 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-41)
00:41:05 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194007&oldid=194006 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) 13 days
00:42:31 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194008&oldid=190051 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+7) fix yearcat
00:44:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:REFRACTRAN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194009&oldid=194005 * ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing * (+894)
00:47:39 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Deadfish derivatives]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194010&oldid=193195 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+360)
00:48:48 <aadenboy> hopscotch's json allows you to make really cursed blocks
00:49:46 <aadenboy> Hmm yes. Move this object forward random color pixels. Make this object do the Foobar ability. Run this when Wait is true.
00:51:04 <raiseafloppafan7> aadenboy: Scratch can do that too, it's quite funny the first time
00:51:58 <aadenboy> it is quite useful being able to put conditionals in places where they're normally not allowed, hough idk if there's an application of any other weird combos
00:52:21 <aadenboy> raiseafloppafan7: stringmaxxing programs
00:52:35 <aadenboy> which. hopscotch already is implicitly but it could help w/ scratch
00:54:02 <aadenboy> block count + operator count maybe?
00:54:08 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194011&oldid=193534 * Miui * (+1) change to stub
00:54:16 <aadenboy> hopscotch would probably be performance though, trying to optimize the speed of the program
00:54:47 <aadenboy> i.e the 99 bottles of beer program uses local variables, but if you do the same exact code with global variables instead (meaning you need Set Variable blocks) it's slowed quite heavily
00:55:22 <aadenboy> surprisingly, a repeat loop beats out the custom ability, which is then beat out by using two When rules
00:56:30 <aadenboy> oh also running hopscotch on low power mode halves the fps lmao
00:57:45 <aadenboy> for scratch it would probably just be block count since I don't think you need to worry about optimization shiz like that
00:58:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:REFRACTRAN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194012&oldid=194009 * ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing * (+1377)
00:58:49 <raiseafloppafan7> Scratch is kinda slow if you need to do A LOT of stuff like 3d rendering
01:00:28 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194013&oldid=191762 * Cordership * (+29) /* Malbolge Interpreter */
01:00:32 <aadenboy> it's not to the extent that hopscotch is though: 99 bottles takes like four seconds
01:00:48 <aadenboy> oh, thought, I bet I could speed it up with clones
01:01:37 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck extended]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194014&oldid=193969 * Bolafale * (+0) /* 99 bottles of beer */
01:04:21 <esolangs> [[Stackfest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194015&oldid=193913 * Cordership * (+236)
01:08:58 <aadenboy> oh damn clone method does it in less than a second
01:23:32 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194016&oldid=194008 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+411)
01:26:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:REFRACTRAN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194017&oldid=194012 * Ais523 * (+682) I think I understand now
01:37:22 <esolangs> [[Stackfest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194018&oldid=194015 * Cordership * (-129) /* Examples */
01:47:49 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194019&oldid=194016 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+23) /* Infinite loop */
01:58:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194020 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+557) Turns out I lied to myself for a whole year; it's spinning counterclockwise!!!
01:59:42 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194021&oldid=194019 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+29) /* Memory */
02:05:52 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194022&oldid=194021 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) /* Instructions */ deadfish is spelled lowercase
02:10:17 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194023&oldid=194000 * Miui * (+105) /* External Resources */ add link to totally plussed / slashesed iterations
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02:33:14 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194025&oldid=193998 * Miui * (+141) /* Implementation */ add brainfuck example
02:36:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:REFRACTRAN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194026&oldid=194017 * ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing * (+1458)
02:46:41 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194027&oldid=194023 * Miui * (-48) /* XKCD Random Number */ fixed program to reflect specification (Header format must be P2 or P5)
02:49:21 <esolangs> [[Fucking]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194028 * A random guy * (+2114) New stupid brainfuck variant.
02:50:49 <esolangs> [[Fucking]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194029&oldid=194028 * A random guy * (+19)
02:51:44 <esolangs> [[Fucking]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194030&oldid=194029 * A random guy * (+0)
02:51:59 <esolangs> [[Fucking]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194031&oldid=194030 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+133) cat
02:52:09 <esolangs> [[Fucking]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194032&oldid=194031 * A random guy * (+0)
02:53:52 <esolangs> [[User:A random guy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194033&oldid=193496 * A random guy * (+165)
02:54:05 <esolangs> [[User:A random guy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194034&oldid=194033 * A random guy * (+0)
02:59:22 <esolangs> [[User:A random guy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194035&oldid=194034 * A random guy * (+547)
03:00:43 <esolangs> [[Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194036&oldid=193963 * Aadenboy * (+988) add IDs
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03:18:51 <esolangs> [[Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194037&oldid=194036 * Aadenboy * (+1643) /* Operators */ add text
03:19:04 <esolangs> [[Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194038&oldid=194037 * Aadenboy * (-8) /* Text */
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03:39:04 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194039&oldid=194025 * Miui * (+362) /* brainfuck */ update example
03:41:37 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194040&oldid=194039 * Miui * (-127) /* Pgmpietoncracklang border:none */
03:43:00 <esolangs> [[Stackfest One Stack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194041 * Cordership * (+1776) Created page with "Stacckfest One Stack is a variation of [[Stackfest]] made by [[User:Cordership]]. This esolang, however, has only one stack. ==Syntax== {|class=wikitable ! Command !! Definition |- | pop as [variable] || Pop top of stack and set it to a variable's value.
03:46:40 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194042&oldid=193993 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+355) /* Values */ Use inline blocks, why's that up there???
03:53:31 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194043&oldid=194042 * Aadenboy * (-7) /* Values */
03:54:43 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194044&oldid=194043 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+185) /* Blocks */ Remove thing about text notation since we're not using that anymore. Fix some mistakes. I'll consider adding it back in a few hours.
04:07:37 <esolangs> [[''''''/()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194045&oldid=190894 * Miui * (-235) /* */ see english summary
04:14:00 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194046&oldid=194044 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+255) More hyperlinks please! Also add three more languages influenced by Scratch. STOP SAYING YOU LOST MY SESSION DATA!!!
04:15:55 <aadenboy> the hopscotch parser is turning out to be more complicated than I thought. we persist though
04:19:15 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194047&oldid=194046 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+895) /* Values */ Document some strange behavior that happens in cases like this
04:19:40 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194048&oldid=194047 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-11) /* Values */ bro
04:21:35 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194049&oldid=194048 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) /* Variables */ adfbnytfugjuehsrhrej
04:22:10 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194050&oldid=194049 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+10) /* Lists */ Merge that
04:24:06 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194051&oldid=194050 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-29) /* Variables */ Remove some leftovers from before the text --> template conversion
04:33:47 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194052&oldid=194040 * Miui * (+0) /* brainfuck */ fixed brainfuck program example comment
04:33:58 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194053&oldid=194051 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+966) /* My Blocks */ Use templates and elaborate a bit. Stop saying that my session data got lost and that I might have been logged out. I confirm and nothing happens. My edit is accepted.
04:34:02 <esolangs> [[FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194054&oldid=192674 * PrySigneToFry * (+39) Fixed function definition
04:35:04 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194055&oldid=194053 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-1) /* My Blocks */ Typo
04:36:11 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194056&oldid=193660 * Cordership * (+25)
04:40:20 <esolangs> [[Scratch/colors]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194057&oldid=193741 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+18) Add extension color. Isn't it convenient that the extension blocks in Scratch are all the same color? Also use a visibly different color than the actual thing
04:41:59 <raiseafloppafan7> Maybe it's because I use dark mode Scratch but that looks so much brighter
04:45:26 <esolangs> [[Mathematical Olympiad]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194058 * Cleverxia * (+825) first thematic esolang
04:46:03 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194059&oldid=191124 * Cleverxia * (+71) /* Current Esolangs I've created */
04:56:46 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194060&oldid=193622 * Cordership * (+76) /* Syntax */
05:07:52 <esolangs> [[Redo]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194061 * Cleverxia * (+764) Created page with "'''Redo''' is an esolang created by [[User:cleverxia]] and iss a try to prove [[Alarm Clock Radio]] Turing complete, and I chose the name because [[Rewind]] is taken. ==Syntax== Redo operates on a tape which initially has only 1 cell. A cell can store multiple (albeit th
05:10:26 <esolangs> [[Redo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194062&oldid=194061 * Cleverxia * (+513) categories
05:11:06 <esolangs> [[Redo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194063&oldid=194062 * Cleverxia * (+0) /* Computational class */
05:11:11 <esolangs> [[''''''/()]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194064&oldid=194045 * Miui * (+20)
05:15:40 <esolangs> [[Redo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194065&oldid=194063 * Cleverxia * (+279) TC proof
05:43:50 <esolangs> [[MeawLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194066&oldid=193972 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+28) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/193972|193972]] by [[Special:Contributions/Romanchano|Romanchano]] ([[User talk:Romanchano|talk]]) do not remove the tag without proving that this page was not generated by ai
05:48:13 <raiseafloppafan7> fungot: good morning (or good night, since I assume you're in the opposite time zone to me)
05:48:13 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: reader can doubt that with melmoth an enormous stride in the evolution of the horror-tale is represented. fear is taken out of the question; so i merely extinguished the lamp and turning in the ruins.
05:52:56 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194067&oldid=194055 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+6769) /* Extensions */ Convert to block templates and fix any mistakes I caught along the way. WOW THAT TOOK SO LONG OH FINALLY I'M DONE WITH THIS STOP SAYING YOU LOST MY SESSION DATA
05:53:17 <raiseafloppafan7> was not intending for it to add that specific number of bytes, strange coincidence
05:55:39 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194068&oldid=194067 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+145) /* Variables */ ANO BA YAN!!!!!!!!
05:55:45 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ben-0606 * New user account
06:01:23 <esolangs> [[Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194069&oldid=194068 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+726) /* Examples */ Add the One Time Cat. Ha, get it!? Because Scratch's mascot is the Scratch Cat, which is a cat (duh), and "cat program", "One Time Cat", from UNIX cat for "conCATenate", but that's also the word for kitties!!! AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
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06:06:05 <de67> recent changes is crazy
06:06:14 <de67> so much has happened while i was asleep
06:07:08 <de67> i skimmed through everything
06:07:13 <de67> i think ive caught up
06:07:44 <raiseafloppafan7> Although I think that doesn't matter since you knew those were pages
06:08:41 <de67> i meant to switch to NickServ tab
06:08:54 <de67> so that its all marked as read
06:09:22 <esolangs> [[Alarm Clock Radio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194070&oldid=113261 * Cleverxia * (+582) [[TC]] proof
06:09:31 <de67> we need to do something with n00bs doing everything backwards
06:10:07 <de67> they dont read [[Esolang:Help]]
06:10:33 <de67> which results in low-quality pages
06:10:34 <raiseafloppafan7> Is it because of the guy who keeps pasting AI output with the <syntaxhighlight> tag
06:11:12 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: yet now the sway of reason seemed fnord shaken, for this lift home.
06:11:15 <de67> it happens very often:
06:11:21 <de67> someone pops up outta nowhere
06:11:32 <de67> doesnt read anything
06:11:37 <de67> writes a shitty page
06:11:50 <de67> and also creates an undiscussed category just for good measure
06:12:14 <raiseafloppafan7> ais523 restricted category creation to admins only a while ago (just being a bit pedantic)
06:12:23 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: ik
06:12:29 <de67> theres something funny about markdown
06:12:37 <de67> when i was writing my first page
06:12:41 <de67> i tried to use markdown
06:12:50 <de67> and then i clicked the show preview button
06:12:56 <de67> and it was fucking broken
06:13:02 <de67> so i had to learn wikitext
06:13:30 <de67> and visit the [[Esolang:Help]] page
06:13:42 <de67> it was kinda helpful
06:14:00 <de67> actually that might not be true since i have terrible memory
06:14:23 <de67> its all just a grey blurry sludge
06:17:40 <de67> we need to somehow make sure that they do understand these things:
06:18:03 <de67> esolang wiki is a wiki, not a social media, a blog, or really anything other than a wiki
06:18:20 <de67> pages should be on-topic and written in encyclopedic tone
06:18:37 <de67> esolang wiki (and mediawiki wikis in general) use wikitext for formatting
06:19:04 <de67> pages should be categorized comprehensively, categories should be discussed before creation
06:19:15 <de67> using ai is discouraged
06:19:21 <raiseafloppafan7> Let's see so the problems are: encyclopedic tone and people using anything BUT wikitext for formatting and categorization and AI slop
06:19:46 <de67> didnt i mention off-topic page problem?
06:20:06 <esolangs> [[Alarm Clock Radio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194071&oldid=194070 * Cleverxia * (+1419) /* Computational class */
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06:20:19 <raiseafloppafan7> By off-topic page you mean like when people make pages about non-esolangs (guilty as charged with Lua) and don't even bother to list anything esoteric about them
06:20:46 <esolangs> [[Alarm Clock Radio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194072&oldid=194071 * Cleverxia * (+14) /* Computational class */ falling back to <a>
06:20:50 <de67> i think that pages about non-esoteric languages are fine as long as the content is somehow related to esolanging
06:21:11 <raiseafloppafan7> That's why Blashyrkh asked why the Lua page was made and the discussion shifted to Lua's capabilities
06:21:29 <raiseafloppafan7> However there's stuff where it seems like they just want to advertise and it's not even that esoteric
06:21:31 <esolangs> [[Alarm Clock Radio]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194073&oldid=194072 * Cleverxia * (-45) /* Computational class */
06:23:05 <de67> i think that the fix might be streamlining everything
06:23:45 <de67> one thing that i find annoying but not harmful is people NOT signing their comments in the talk pages
06:24:06 <de67> by streamlining everything i mean that once someone crates an account and introduces themselves
06:24:18 <de67> we give them a short list of basic rules
06:24:27 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: sorta
06:24:42 <de67> and at the bottom there will be a checkbox
06:24:49 <de67> though there are people who skim those
06:25:06 <raiseafloppafan7> People (like me) with short attention span will just skip it and check the box
06:25:07 <de67> so a solution would be to include a secret word at the end
06:25:18 <de67> and theyll have to type it in
06:25:26 <esolangs> [[Alarm Clock Radio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194074&oldid=194073 * Cleverxia * (+53) /* Computational class */ oops, forgot that emulated bf needs at least 1 cell to start
06:25:30 <de67> we could scatter the solution across the rules
06:25:30 <raiseafloppafan7> Because if they include it at the end I can just use Ctrl + Page Down
06:25:48 <de67> i think that the rules should fit in a small box
06:25:53 <de67> so no scrolling would be needed
06:26:04 <raiseafloppafan7> I guess that makes sense but the problem is people will then be too focused on finding the answer without actually bothering to understand what's in that box
06:26:07 <de67> if someone sees a scrollbox theyll think "oh this is gonna be a long read"
06:26:44 <de67> if someone doesnt even bother to read a paragraph of text
06:26:50 <de67> they shouldnt even bother to esolang
06:27:12 <raiseafloppafan7> Genuinely if they can't read a single paragraph of like 5 sentences
06:27:49 <de67> what was the topic in the first place?
06:28:11 <raiseafloppafan7> Topic was about n()()bs running in and doing things wrong (paraphrasing what you said)
06:28:27 <de67> i think were still on topic
06:28:39 <de67> so what i was thinking of is
06:28:53 <de67> yk how when you open an app on the phone for the first time?
06:29:11 <de67> they have this awesome powerpoint presentation waliking you around the app?
06:29:19 <de67> we could do this on the wiki
06:29:30 <de67> each slide is 1 sentence rule with a picture
06:29:43 <de67> so that the modern person can comprehend it
06:30:17 <de67> so for a proof of concept we need:
06:30:19 <raiseafloppafan7> Like [image of some guy posting pure AI slop] <- please don't do this since AI output tends to be inconsistent and has an unknown legal status
06:30:22 <de67> a pack of lab rats
06:30:29 <de67> i meant human testers
06:30:44 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: ye
06:31:59 <raiseafloppafan7> Probably not this IRC channel since most if not all people here know the rules by heart
06:32:16 <de67> we need people who are interested in esolanging
06:32:21 <de67> but have no idea about the wiki
06:32:32 <de67> or maybe even esolanging itself
06:32:47 <raiseafloppafan7> So we find people who are into programming and want to make stuff?
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06:33:02 <de67> codegolf community
06:33:07 <de67> compiler community
06:33:09 <esolangs> [[Lingua Lucis]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194075 * PrySigneToFry * (+16856) Created page with "Lingua Lucis is designed by Stephen Ignatius Abel. It is a Golfing-language<sup>(in debate since this uses WORD instead of BYTE)</sup>. = Overview = Lingua Lucis uses characters instead of bytes as units, ditching the traditional 'playing golf' idea, aiming
06:33:22 <de67> more pstf slop
06:33:46 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194076&oldid=194003 * PrySigneToFry * (+19) /* L */
06:33:50 <de67> its a mix of both
06:34:14 <esolangs> [[Alarm Clock Radio]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194077&oldid=194074 * Cleverxia * (+4) /* Computational class */ make the total change of characters 2026
06:34:24 <de67> were all just a part of the slop god
06:34:45 <de67> just how cells in our bodies are part of ourselves
06:35:00 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: the god that made everything
06:35:02 <de67> including slop
06:35:06 <esolangs> [[FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194078&oldid=191707 * PrySigneToFry * (+43)
06:35:24 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: the more i wondered how many aeons more this primal, hidden edifice could keep its remaining traces of form amidst earth's heavings.
06:35:50 <raiseafloppafan7> Love how there's a dedicated instruction for undefined behavior
06:36:09 <raiseafloppafan7> Technically that makes the instruction's behavior implementation-defined unless I'm stupid (which I am)
06:36:45 <de67> so implementation might define it as undefined behaviour
06:37:03 <raiseafloppafan7> We should have a language where all instructions are undefined behavior
06:37:09 <raiseafloppafan7> Vague is not one of them though, it's very well-defined in fact
06:37:13 <de67> i just made one
06:37:24 <de67> it has only 1 instruction:
06:37:42 <de67> it is up to the implementation to decided what h does
06:38:03 <de67> hq9+ is a superset of h
06:38:13 <de67> or maybe its the opposite
06:38:18 <de67> h is a subset of hq9+
06:38:37 <de67> technically every program can be interpreted as an implementation of h
06:38:50 <de67> or an implementation of a superset of h
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06:39:56 <de67> i love how esolang maker123 decided to make brainfuckslop
06:40:12 <de67> and then everyone jumped in on the brainfuckslop train
06:40:13 <raiseafloppafan7> `run echo -e "#include<stdio.h>\nint main(int a,char**b){if(a-3)puts(\"usage: hackh [prog] [input]\");else{unsigned long h=72;char*I=b[1];while(*I){if(*I=='h'||*I==72){printf('h');I++;}else{h+=*(unsigned long*)0;}}}}" > hackh.c
06:40:29 <HackEso> hackh.c: In function ‘main’: \ hackh.c:2:141: error: passing argument 1 of ‘printf’ makes pointer from integer without a cast [-Wint-conversion] \ 2 | int main(int a,char**b){if(a-3)puts("usage: hackh [prog] [input]");else{unsigned long h=72;char*I=b[1];while(*I){if(*I=='h'||*I==72){printf('h');I++;}else{h+=*(unsigned long*)0;}}}} \ |
06:40:38 <HackEso> bash: line 1: ./hackh: No such file or directory
06:40:45 <HackEso> bash: line 1: ./hackh: No such file or directory
06:40:46 <de67> it was a compiler error
06:40:53 <raiseafloppafan7> `run echo -e "#include<stdio.h>\nint main(int a,char**b){if(a-3)puts(\"usage: hackh [prog] [input]\");else{unsigned long h=72;char*I=b[1];while(*I){if(*I=='h'||*I==72){putchar('h');I++;}else{h+=*(unsigned long*)0;}}}}" > hackh.c
06:41:39 <de67> if making an irc bot requires fucking around with sockets
06:41:47 <de67> i might as well write the wholee thing in c
06:42:08 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: we were talking about the wiki problems i think
06:42:13 <de67> like the n00bs
06:42:23 <de67> we need testers
06:43:18 <de67> theres a python library for irc
06:43:29 <de67> i shouldnt interleave 2 topics
06:43:34 <de67> it just confuses everyone
06:43:57 <de67> we could go to codegolf and compiler communities and invite people
06:44:02 <de67> fungot: any ideas?
06:44:02 <fungot> de67: specimen in a canvas sack and set out for the fnord jade goblets that merchants brought from ilarnek. not fnord himself had had so colossal and fnord eggs of the rumoured shantak-bird
06:44:08 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld elon enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft* nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl
06:44:14 <de67> ^style youtube
06:44:19 <de67> was worth a try
06:44:23 <fungot> Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
06:44:28 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: meaning somewhere in your /pattern/. :) if you have jre installed: http://rodger.nonlogic.org/ images/ 1203125875-tetsuoooo.png ndiswrapper
06:45:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194079&oldid=192113 * PrySigneToFry * (+627) /* Funcode Wiki */ new section
06:45:14 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: ( 1 2)" or " virheistä ei opi fnord". twice.)
06:45:31 <de67> a message from pstf
06:46:06 <de67> its an invitation to funcode wiki
06:46:09 <de67> no idea what it is
06:46:23 <de67> since you cant spell funcode wiki without fun
06:46:40 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: you would probably be fold 0, +2) writethingy anything
06:47:04 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: that was fun, because you cant spell funny without fun
06:49:36 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: you should join the wiki too
06:49:59 <de67> anyone can register
06:50:18 <de67> also its esolang-adjacent in some ways
06:50:25 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194080&oldid=192348 * PrySigneToFry * (+308)
06:51:16 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194081&oldid=194052 * Miui * (+440) /* Implementations */ A
06:52:15 <HackEso> HackEso is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike HackEgo.
06:52:19 <HackEso> HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in all Mexico!
06:52:20 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: i mean, i'm not fnord sure about modules, objects, classes, inheritance, etc.) that runs on it is the true.)
06:52:23 <HackEso> fungot is our beloved channel mascot and sporadic voice of reason.
06:52:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:Base2e15text]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194082&oldid=190682 * PrySigneToFry * (+29)
06:53:02 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: Kurtis Dinelle and McConnell Wade created CubeCode. It's an esoteric programming language based on Rubik's cube notation, similar to Brainfuck. They developed both a web-based interpreter and a desktop compiler for the language.
06:53:19 <fungot> de67: hmmm. ok, that's a good idea to try another implementation, 3)
06:55:05 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: Ghmi-Asden Tnauin is a strange programming language based on a set of unusual rules and operators. Key elements include the `bfuck` operator for addition, `bplease` as a comment, `and` for logical operations, and functions like `readint()` and `printint()`. The language uses single quotes for strings and plus signs for string concatenation. It’s...
06:55:05 <esolangs> a complex, poorly documented language with potential for more operators and features.
06:56:02 <de67> funcode wiki has so many skins
06:56:11 <raiseafloppafan7> fungot: esolangs is a Turing-complete programming wiki by 見えないfungot HackEso
06:56:11 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: me neither. i accidently found it while googling for help on planning code at the point of taking the sugar fnord, or
06:57:47 <fungot> <CTCP>.. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ...
06:57:54 <fungot> <CTCP>.. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ...
06:57:58 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
06:58:06 <fungot> <CTCP>.. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ...
06:58:26 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: i think we can start by drafting the awesome powerpoint slide
06:58:44 <de67> i can create a codeberg pages repo
06:58:50 <raiseafloppafan7> fungot: Generate a PowerPoint presentation for uhh what me and de67 talked about
06:58:50 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: take one down and pass it around,
06:58:53 <de67> do you have an account on codeberg?
06:59:56 <raiseafloppafan7> fungot: Hello, golf is a computational model by User::あ фor C+.
06:59:56 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: 0 and sock_stream should be just as fast. ( it's user information only)
07:04:47 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: i added you as a collaborator
07:04:54 <de67> https://codeberg.org/de67/pages
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07:10:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:Base2e15text]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194083&oldid=194082 * Miui * (+161) /* Alternate IDE: */
07:10:48 <de67> so heres the format
07:10:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Base2e15text]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194084&oldid=194083 * Miui * (+1) discussion formatting
07:10:58 <de67> the slides are html files
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07:11:15 <de67> their filenames are numbers
07:11:22 <de67> so first slide is 1.html
07:11:24 <esolangs> [[2DFIM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194085&oldid=193938 * Squidmanescape * (+25) /* Specification */
07:11:33 <de67> the same applies to image
07:11:45 <de67> the image used for the first slide is 1.png
07:12:30 <de67> something along the lines of:
07:12:36 <de67> welcome to esolang wiki!
07:12:51 <de67> then we explain that this is a wiki
07:12:59 <de67> and pages should be in encyclopedic tone
07:13:18 <de67> we show an image of text of non-encyclopedic ton on the left, with a corss on the corner
07:13:38 <de67> and an image of text of encyclopedic tone on the right, with a checkmark on the corner
07:13:46 <de67> thats what im thinking of atleast
07:14:02 <de67> brainfuck is agreat example actually
07:14:12 <de67> are you gud at image editing?
07:14:34 <de67> i can use gimp
07:14:46 <de67> how do we split duties
07:14:53 <de67> im not that good at html
07:14:57 <de67> i know the basics
07:15:06 <de67> but not too much
07:15:25 <de67> we want to keep things simple since its intended to be embedded in the wiki
07:15:36 <de67> i think some styling wouldnt hurt
07:15:51 <de67> but it must match the rest of the wiki and look consistent on all skins
07:16:08 <de67> the path of least resistence here is no styling :-)
07:20:08 <esolangs> [[2DFIM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194086&oldid=194085 * Squidmanescape * (+3004) /* Code Examples */
07:20:25 <esolangs> [[2DFIM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194087&oldid=194086 * Squidmanescape * (-2)
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07:23:48 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: " disqualifying you as a professional programmer, hr had very little trouble writing portable js code provided that i find the interpreter here: http://www.rafb.net/ paste/ results/ fnord does anyone have a small exemple
07:24:24 <de67> i found prole wiki
07:24:44 <de67> for now we can just say "be formal"
07:24:54 <esolangs> [[1L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194089&oldid=156697 * Squidmanescape * (+92) /* See also */
07:26:23 <de67> i wrote 1.html
07:26:27 <de67> feel free to refine it
07:26:32 <de67> and add a nice picture
07:26:45 <de67> everything in the repo is public domain
07:26:58 <de67> you should be aware of that
07:27:31 <de67> i need to add index.html
07:27:44 <raiseafloppafan7> In 2 I just put "articles must be on-topic" and stuff like that
07:30:44 <b_jonas> raiseafloppafan7: fungot is on Europen time, since he is a hon. and learned member of the UK parliament
07:31:20 <de67> b_jonas: thats sounds like what fungot would say
07:31:20 <fungot> de67: digits after the decimal point n places to the left of 1. but _after_ that the variables foo and bar?'?
07:31:24 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: and recursively i reach where i have ( foo ( 1 2 3) ( define q ' foo)
07:31:32 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: not that a portable thing? what does it fnord
07:32:45 <de67> are you working on the second slide?
07:33:00 <de67> im gonna try to make a picture for slide 1
07:33:27 <de67> slide 1 covers that already
07:33:38 <de67> slide 2 should cover topicality
07:34:03 <de67> we probably should bas eit on the 2026 topicality proposal
07:34:08 <de67> just to be future proof
07:37:54 <de67> im installing gimp
07:38:03 <de67> cuz ive installed hardenedbsd recently
07:38:16 <de67> and im installing software only when needed
07:39:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194090&oldid=194079 * Dragoneater67 * (+169) /* Funcode Wiki */
07:41:40 <esolangs> [[There Once was a Fish Named Fred]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194091&oldid=72632 * Squidmanescape * (+1686) Added implementation.
07:44:54 <esolangs> [[Fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194092&oldid=84175 * Squidmanescape * (+25) Seems to have been implemented in Lua and PHP if I'm not mistaken.
07:46:13 <esolangs> [[FiM++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194093&oldid=81473 * Squidmanescape * (+25) There's a whole list of interpreters.
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07:49:42 <esolangs> [[Iris]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194095&oldid=91649 * Squidmanescape * (+25) In my opinion, the implementation is barebones but technically exists.
07:50:48 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194096&oldid=194081 * Miui * (-33) /* A */ fix program header
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07:54:30 <^de67> ^def de67: bf ,[.,]
07:54:34 <fungot> ^de67: i just want it to be added to the match database, and all
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07:56:32 <de67> wanna join our fun project?
07:57:04 <de67> were making a fun presentation that introduce n00bs to esolang wiki
07:57:07 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: in english: it's the same as i have known and loved) probably would tell you to work on the comment insanity.
07:57:13 <de67> so that we get less n00bs making stupid mistakes
07:58:26 <de67> its fine to push directly
07:58:43 <de67> but if you wanna open a pull request
07:58:47 <de67> you create a branch
07:59:05 <de67> and open a pull request to merge the new branch into pages
08:01:29 <esolangs> [[MeawLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194097&oldid=194066 * Romanchano * (-7) /* Hello, World! */
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08:02:05 <aadenboy2> I'd be willing to convert it to wikitext
08:02:06 <esolangs> [[Stackfest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194099&oldid=194018 * Cordership * (+0) /* Looping counter */
08:02:26 <de67> so what im thinking is that
08:02:33 <de67> right after registration
08:02:48 <de67> they are forced to read allat
08:03:12 <raiseafloppafan7> Or else... fungot personally shows up to their house and kidnaps them.
08:03:13 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: you can use monads in scheme" and answer it at the expense of losing this possibility
08:04:03 <aadenboy2> Esolangs:Tutorial and subpages /1, /2, ... mayhaps
08:04:24 <de67> wikipedia has a tutorial?
08:04:47 <de67> we basically can block editing until they visit each page
08:04:57 <aadenboy2> anyways abusefilter could probably be used? there'd need to be a way to detect for that though
08:04:58 <de67> and introduce themselves
08:05:05 <de67> dunno how that could work tho
08:05:32 <de67> i meed an example of a page that doesnt fit encyclopedic tone
08:05:44 <de67> it needs to be fictional so that no one gets targeted
08:06:13 <de67> aadenboy: hallmarks?
08:06:27 <aadenboy2> like, grab various easily identifiable examples
08:07:40 <de67> fuckfuck (name always written in lowercase) is the awesomest esolang ever, its a befunge93 derivative that removes the halt command, so uuh thats it
08:07:59 <esolangs> [[ArnoldC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194100&oldid=138616 * Squidmanescape * (+25)
08:08:01 <aadenboy2> would be helpful to point out what the issues in the example are too
08:08:14 <raiseafloppafan7> I can write a [file system check]-ton of pages that demonstrate what not to do
08:09:04 <aadenboy2> esolangs tutorial needs esolangs mascot for retention...
08:09:05 <raiseafloppafan7> The scratch wiki had a thing where you had to point out errors in an example flawed article, just bringing it up here since aadenboy2 mentioned that, not suggesting exactly what Scratch Wiki does but it's adjacent
08:09:36 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape/Unimplemented By Date]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194101&oldid=193890 * Squidmanescape * (+406)
08:09:44 <raiseafloppafan7> Newgens (me) and veterans (like you both) can recognize the trilime from at least 1 meter away
08:12:05 <aadenboy2> caterpillar trilime where each lime is a segment
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08:14:28 <de67> im not really a veteran
08:14:38 <de67> i joined on january 2026
08:14:48 <de67> i cooked up an image
08:15:00 <de67> that perfectly demonstrates the encyclopedic tone
08:21:54 <b_jonas> de67: I don't believe your statement that https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page?curid=26798 is Turing-complete.
08:22:42 <b_jonas> I don't see how it has enough control flow to simulate arbitrary finite state control
08:22:45 <raiseafloppafan7> fungot: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube ( some youtube comments) any additional protocol to the aarhus math with side effects. and i'm so rich i don't know
08:22:45 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: you can do to prevent the takeover of the planet on which you can deal it all, by the way,
08:22:48 <b_jonas> if it does then you should give further explanation on that page
08:23:01 <raiseafloppafan7> woah fungot said something about prevent takeover of planet or something idk
08:23:01 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: it depends on how much you're paid to do.
08:24:55 <de67> b_jonas: are you talking about that agora alice... esolang?
08:28:23 <de67> i came to conclusion because it was quite similar to [[ChooseNumber]]
08:28:25 <int-e> b_jonas: did you see this part, "Instructions are executed left-to-right in an implicit infinite loop."
08:30:20 <int-e> It does appear to have enough to implement a Minsky machine, and the outer loop gives you the iteration. You still have to define an acceptance condition to make it actually work; obviously you can't use the usual termination.
08:30:43 <int-e> to implement a Minsky machine transition
08:31:04 <b_jonas> de67: ChooseNumber is a Fractran variant
08:31:41 <b_jonas> int-e: then I probably don't understand the explanation in the article
08:31:44 <de67> it has a similar control flow where you can skip instructions based on if a register is 0 or nor
08:32:12 <de67> (the esolang actually has 1 register but it can simulate multiple registers using multiplications)
08:32:47 <int-e> b_jonas: the article translates a programming language that can increment and decrement unbounded integer counters, and has an if (counter == 0) { ... } conditional.
08:33:51 <b_jonas> int-e: but can it do all that conditionally in just a specific state without losing the state?
08:33:55 <b_jonas> where does it store the state?
08:34:06 <int-e> b_jonas: yes if you use one counter for the state
08:35:19 <de67> int-e: small correction: the thing between ] and } if the simulated register is not equal to 0
08:35:20 <b_jonas> hold on, so you're trying to store counters in pairs of curid=26798 cells, and use them somewhat like Fractran, with one of them storing state?
08:35:43 <b_jonas> the description on the page is just very unclear to me
08:36:08 <int-e> b_jonas: AB represents A-B
08:36:32 <int-e> "increment count" "decrement count" -- yeah that's perhaps not the best description
08:37:00 <de67> i was trying my best to explain my reasoning
08:37:08 <de67> doing my best*
08:37:34 <int-e> b_jonas: And A != B is A-B != 0, A++ increments A-B and B++ decrements A-B.
08:38:07 <b_jonas> how do you test the state then seek to the counter that you want to affect without forgetting about the outcome of the test?
08:38:35 <b_jonas> it seems like you have to use sequences of "]}" to seek, but that breaks the part where you're using "]" to test the state
08:39:29 <int-e> b_jonas: You can always use an extra counter, and do the flag = 1; if (state != k) { flag = 0 }; if (!flag) {...} thing, where != k is achieved by subtracting k, testing != 0 and then adding k again
08:39:43 <int-e> conditionals can be nested too
08:40:02 <int-e> I think I swapped 0 and 1 there
08:40:05 <b_jonas> wait, do you mean that pairs of ] and } are supposed to nest?
08:40:39 <b_jonas> that explains a lot, then I didn't understand the specification of the language either, not just the simulation
08:41:36 <b_jonas> de67: sorry, this might actually work and be Turing-complete then, I just find your description hard to read
08:46:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Piet++ Nah..png]]"
08:47:34 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194103&oldid=194096 * Miui * (+3050) /* Piet++ */ added example
08:50:33 <de67> but how many cells are needed for turing completeness?
08:51:49 <int-e> Well, 8 are enough. (One integer counter for the state, one auxiliary flag, two counters.)
08:52:13 <int-e> 5 if you do the ABCDE for A-B, B-C, C-D, D-E thing.
08:52:24 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194104&oldid=194007 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-7) make image actually clickable
08:53:09 <int-e> The flag can *probably* be optimized away but I don't have the stomach for that right now.
08:53:35 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Not proud of this]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194105&oldid=193869 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+12) make images actually seeable
08:54:05 <int-e> (you'd have to translate if (state == foo) { ... } into if (state != foo) { undo ... } ...
08:54:27 <int-e> and since ... is a sequence of incrmeents and decrements in the translation, that is almost certainly possible
08:54:41 <de67> i changed 1.html a bit
08:54:49 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Not proud of this]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194106&oldid=194105 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+161)
08:55:34 <int-e> So, tentatively, it'll be 4 cells for a 2 counter Minsky machine.
08:55:50 <esolangs> [[MFJZ]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194107 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+3043) Created page with "'''MFJZ''' ('''M'''ove pointer and '''F'''lip, '''J'''ump if '''Z'''ero) is an [[OISC]] created by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] in 2026 and based on a [[Smallfuck]]-like language with if statements created in 2022 ==Description== It operates on a binary tape infinite t
08:56:24 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194108&oldid=193018 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+10) /* 2026 */
08:56:54 <esolangs> [[FJZ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194109&oldid=93477 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-920) Blanked the page
08:57:17 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194110&oldid=194108 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-9) /* 2022 */
08:59:56 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194111&oldid=194103 * Miui * (-21) /* A */ 43 is cooler
09:08:12 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194112&oldid=193967 * Ben-0606 * (+172) /* Introductions */
09:08:45 <de67> i hope this guy knows what hes doing
09:09:11 <de67> "Scratch programmer"
09:09:39 <de67> fungot: is scratch good?
09:09:39 <fungot> de67: because o'caml, as a replacement for make, it just expands to some kind of a role than i wish
09:09:54 <de67> fungot: yes or no?
09:09:54 <fungot> de67: i'll stick with this one. it's totally unconvincing.
09:10:00 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194113&oldid=191464 * Miui * (+93) add alt meaning
09:10:03 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: just not in the revised report on scheme, it's a userspace daemon, easy enough
09:10:03 <de67> make is amazing
09:10:17 <raiseafloppafan7> de67: Yeah but I think OCaml is better (never even used it btw)
09:10:37 <de67> nah ocaml sucks (i never have used it)
09:10:45 <de67> never used it*
09:11:04 <HackEso> EBCDIC was an encryption standard developed by IBM and the NSA in the early 1960s, but it was so good at encryption that they found it was impossible to decrypt it, and thus they moved on to less secure standards.
09:11:10 <HackEso> Do not waste my time with such jokes. If you even DARE utter those two digits juxtaposed in that order again, I will end you. I will make sure no one even remembers your existence. I will erase you from this universe. It will be as if you never even existed.
09:11:35 <de67> who tf added that wisdom
09:11:57 <de67> whoever did that should be exorcised, and then erased just for good measure
09:12:20 <de67> `run rm -rf /hackenv/wisdom
09:12:22 <raiseafloppafan7> They should be [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] and like you said, [REDACTED]
09:12:41 <de67> `run rm /hackenv/wisdom/67
09:13:25 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194114&oldid=194111 * Miui * (+40) /* Usernames example*/
09:13:48 <raiseafloppafan7> de67: Maybe you are fungot's evil clone of the real dragoneater67 and fungot actually wants hackeso dead
09:13:48 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: the latter being the " best page with no title?
09:14:05 <fungot> gAy_Dragon: rotty's was the most fun. how long do lisp-pastes last? ( should i take that back. i'm just a schemer :)
09:14:15 <gAy_Dragon> Yes it is. Could it not spam me with CTCP please.
09:14:17 <de67> fungot is a sentient bot
09:14:17 <fungot> de67: i admire malbolge for being incredibly incredibly esoteric and awful to program in javascript does that make it through this other bf program"
09:14:35 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: hm. you unnecessarily capitalize an awfully large number of things
09:14:43 <de67> its a markov chain
09:14:57 <gAy_Dragon> Cool. Can it stop spamming me with CTCP with garbaled text in it pelase?
09:15:08 <gAy_Dragon> 085747 ℹ ╡ Unknown CTCP requested by fungot: BCDEFGH .KL.NOPQRSTUVWX???]^_
09:15:08 <gAy_Dragon> ╡ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~�������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ...
09:15:08 <gAy_Dragon> 085754 ℹ ╡ Unknown CTCP requested by fungot: BCDEFGH .KL.NOPQRSTUVWX???]^_
09:15:08 <gAy_Dragon> ╡ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~�������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ...
09:15:08 <gAy_Dragon> 085806 ℹ ╡ Unknown CTCP requested by fungot: BCDEFGH .KL.NOPQRSTUVWX???]^_
09:15:08 <gAy_Dragon> ╡ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~�������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ...
09:15:08 <fungot> gAy_Dragon: that is clever. the rest isn't so interesting, but unless they get a bunch of stuff
09:15:09 <fungot> gAy_Dragon: " we don't say fnord. :p i think that there were 768mb there, but after a while fnord don't you write code in the other the guy fired the gun at an apple multiple times.
09:15:09 <fungot> gAy_Dragon: not url) it actually goes with the decor, not the
09:15:17 <de67> gAY_Deagon: btw my full username is Dragoneater67
09:15:20 <de67> youre in danger
09:15:29 <gAy_Dragon> de67: mine is libera/chat/staff/dragon.
09:16:09 <gAy_Dragon> please mark your bots as yours, please also have them not send people random CTCP if at all possible.
09:16:21 <de67> tell that to fizzie
09:16:35 <de67> the author of the bot and the admin of this channel
09:16:38 <gAy_Dragon> for a markov chain, the easiest way to do that would be to strip anything outside of regular ascii printables on outgoing, or even just remove anything that isnt \x01
09:17:10 <de67> we can do this:
09:17:31 <fungot> <CTCP>.. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ...
09:17:42 <de67> pretty cool right?
09:18:15 <gAy_Dragon> I mean, its useful, but I'd suggest not including CTCP characters in its output
09:18:31 <gAy_Dragon> the thing that powers /me, among other things
09:19:10 <de67> ^me does 67 too
09:20:48 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: 1.html needs some more rework
09:21:38 <de67> we also need 2.png
09:21:48 <de67> for now ill work on 2.png
09:22:09 <esolangs> [[Baller]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194115 * Ben-0606 * (+2704) /* Baller is 2D */
09:23:12 <esolangs> [[Baller]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194116&oldid=194115 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+121) cat
09:23:27 <esolangs> [[MeawLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194117&oldid=194097 * Romanchano * (+0) /* Hello, World! */
09:23:47 <esolangs> [[Baller]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194118&oldid=194116 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-4) /* Example */ code is used for single-line stuff, pre is the one for code blocks
09:24:50 <esolangs> [[Baller]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194119&oldid=194118 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-12) replace 'code's with 'pre's
09:26:45 <gAy_Dragon> ^bf +.->++++++[<++++++++++>-]<+++++.++.+++++++++++++++++.-----------.++++++.-.>>>+++[<++++++++++>-]<++.<<---------.+++++++++++++++++++.>>>+.
09:27:02 <gAy_Dragon> (yes, I did actually write that myself :P)
09:27:11 <fungot> +.+10[>+7>+6>+3<3-]>2-.+2.<+7.>+6.+6.-.>-.,[.,]+.
09:27:26 <esolangs> [[User:Ben-0606]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194120 * Ben-0606 * (+35) /* */
09:27:32 <int-e> (+10 abbreviates ++++++++++)
09:27:55 <gAy_Dragon> I used the raw lang not some extension
09:28:25 <int-e> gAy_Dragon: This channel specifically has a history of tolerating bot noise as long as it's exploratory, and that includes these malformed CTCPs.
09:28:47 <int-e> gAy_Dragon: Of course. In fact ^bf doesn't accept these... but internally, the bot uses and RLE encoding of sorts.
09:29:00 <int-e> And it leaks through ^show
09:29:02 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194121&oldid=194110 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1) /* 2026 */
09:29:24 <gAy_Dragon> int-e: I mean Im mostly just getting dings on my phone that get irritating -- But it should still be marked as a bot preferably
09:29:47 <fungot> https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
09:30:22 <fizzie> I was _going_ to do the same realname thing I did for HackEso and esolangs, but I got distracted.
09:30:26 <gAy_Dragon> ....adding an ident to that might be painful
09:30:35 <gAy_Dragon> maybe consider a bouncer it connects to?
09:31:17 <fizzie> That'd kind of half-defeat the point of having a Befunge bot in the first place.
09:31:27 <fizzie> Anyway, it's not hard, it's just a change to line 46.
09:31:50 <fizzie> I guess, it just feels less "pure" somehow.
09:32:01 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194122&oldid=194114 * Miui * (+765) /* Implementations */ added jesus
09:32:08 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194123&oldid=194080 * Cleverxia * (+788) removed 'clock' module as it makes it easier to program in, and add new features
09:32:09 <fizzie> I guess we could turn +C on like int-e suggested though.
09:32:21 <gAy_Dragon> nah, if you're fine with the noise its fine
09:32:37 <gAy_Dragon> Ill do something on my client to make it shut up
09:32:53 <gAy_Dragon> but I had a fun time tracking down where it was coming from so I'd recommend having it noted as a bot
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09:36:20 <gAy_Dragon> if you want a challenge you can try make it ident but that's up to you
09:38:36 <fizzie> I was just going to do the realname marker like some of the other bots, but somehow managed to break even that.
09:39:01 <int-e> fizzie: you did adjust the trailing v on line 45?
09:39:41 <FireFly> also beware of the vertical paths off the right edge, like on line 2
09:39:56 <FireFly> but I figure you'd check for those things ^^'
09:40:43 <int-e> FireFly: yours seems more missable at least
09:41:04 <fizzie> I did adjust the trailing v and leave a gap for the "highway" on columns whatever (which is only used for ^reload unless I'm mistaken).
09:45:08 <int-e> Oh, because reload skips the entire connection setup? Makes sense...
09:47:04 <int-e> Does ^reload break if the reloading chunk of code is shifted?
09:47:19 * FireFly . o O ( spooky-action-at-a-distance (distance measured in character cells) )
09:48:00 <FireFly> although I suppose the real action-at-a-distance in befunge would be using g/p to modify some other bit of code..
09:48:01 <fizzie> If it's moved too far at least. What it does is clear all (well, a big rectangle) of fungespace for rows below the reload implementation, and read in the new version.
09:48:12 <int-e> (I assume the first bit clears a lot of the code area... but *probably* not the first two lines?)
09:48:29 <int-e> (this would be less speculative if I knew Befunge ;-) )
09:48:33 <FireFly> and fancy as a feature for a befunge bot
09:48:53 <fizzie> They're not actually lines 0 and 1 in fungespace because it's loaded in by the "loader" at some offset.
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09:49:38 <FireFly> maybe I should study fungot someday
09:50:11 <FireFly> I mean, as the probably still most significant B98 program, I figure it has some useful(?) idioms
09:50:14 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194124&oldid=194119 * Ben-0606 * (+0) /* Baller is 2D */
09:50:38 <int-e> hunter2 reference spotted
09:50:43 <fizzie> Arguably Mycology might be more significant.
09:51:08 <fizzie> Also the reason why it didn't work is that the USER line length was also encoded on that line (that's the 39*2++ => 29 bit), and I didn't update that, because I was assuming it to just compute the length.
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09:53:46 <fizzie> I think the reason why I didn't fix it earlier was because I had some aspirations to moving the realname to be part of the "configuration" (e.g. https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot-load-local.b98 ) rather than baked into the "source" (the line is a bit blurry).
09:53:46 <fungot> fizzie: after getting the new google maps -like system for fnord allocated memory tied to an emotional context doesn't seem like it would work on all of the
09:54:55 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
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09:56:30 <fizzie> FWIW, it doesn't actually have a direct TCP connection to Libera.Chat servers because it uses socat to apply TLS (and coincidentally identify via CertFP), so arguably some level of purity has already been lost.
09:58:04 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194125&oldid=194124 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+16) /* Balls */
09:58:36 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194126&oldid=194125 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+10) /* Output */
09:58:52 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194127&oldid=194126 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-37) /* See also */
10:00:34 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194128&oldid=194122 * Miui * (+108) /* ios */ include Nah.jesus.ogg sonic encoding
10:05:22 <fizzie> Looks like ^reload clears a 100x1000 cell region at (0, 102) -- that's the " "aa*aaa**02aa*+S, where S is from the temporarily loaded TOYS fingerprint -- so it'll stop working if the code grows bigger than that. Starting from line 102 because the fungot-load-X.b98 loads fungot.b98 at (0, 100).
10:05:22 <fungot> fizzie: so incremental builds work with it, yes
10:06:01 <fizzie> Right now it's at 385 actual-code lines, so still some room to grow there.
10:06:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Not proud of this]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194129&oldid=193870 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+245)
10:07:33 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld elon enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl
10:07:42 <esolangs> [[Moggler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194130&oldid=193120 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+21) /* Examples */ add quine
10:13:58 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Not proud of this]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194131&oldid=194129 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+341) sure?
10:14:26 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Not proud of this]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194132&oldid=194106 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+18) /* See also */ [[Plane crash]]
10:18:25 <esolangs> [[One Time Cat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194133&oldid=193505 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+479) /* Scratch */ Oh right, we have proper blocks now! :D
10:20:25 <esolangs> [[Rube Goldberg]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194134&oldid=193502 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+192) /* Scratch */ Oh right, we have proper blocks now! :D
10:21:44 <esolangs> [[Permission denied]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194135&oldid=193503 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+196) /* Scratch */ Oh right, we have proper blocks now! :D
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10:23:34 <de67> hi guys im back
10:26:08 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194136&oldid=194027 * Miui * (+0) /* Tip */ fix example program
10:27:00 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194137&oldid=194127 * Ben-0606 * (+4)
10:28:23 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194138&oldid=194137 * Ben-0606 * (+13)
10:29:42 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194139&oldid=194138 * Ben-0606 * (-1) /* Output */
10:34:23 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194140&oldid=194139 * Ben-0606 * (+16) /* See also */
10:36:43 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194141&oldid=194140 * Ben-0606 * (+33) /* Example */
10:37:18 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194142&oldid=194141 * Ben-0606 * (+7) /* Example */
10:37:43 <de67> i added the image for the 2nd slide
10:41:57 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194143&oldid=194123 * None1 * (+215) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */
10:45:06 <esolangs> [[Baller]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194144&oldid=194142 * Ben-0606 * (+109) /* Loops */
10:46:18 <esolangs> [[Baller]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194145&oldid=194144 * Ben-0606 * (+8) /* Conditional commands */
10:47:52 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194146&oldid=194145 * Ben-0606 * (+62) /* Balls */
10:55:55 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194147&oldid=194146 * Ben-0606 * (+162) /* Example */
10:56:20 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194148&oldid=194147 * Ben-0606 * (+7) /* Example */
11:05:43 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194149&oldid=192703 * Marcus 2n2 * (+99) /* Implementations */
11:21:49 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194150&oldid=194128 * Miui * (+99) Nah. in 17
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11:28:53 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194151&oldid=194060 * Cordership * (+152) /* Syntax */
11:44:17 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194152&oldid=194148 * Ben-0606 * (+64) /* Input and output */
11:50:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:67 machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194153&oldid=183188 * Marcus 2n2 * (+114) /* nooooo */
11:51:56 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Ben-0606 * uploaded "[[File:Khng C Tiu 75 20260912184955.png]]"
11:55:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:Plane crash]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194155&oldid=193990 * Marcus 2n2 * (+231)
11:58:10 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194156&oldid=194152 * Ben-0606 * (+61) /* Baller is 2D */
11:58:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194157&oldid=193211 * Marcus 2n2 * (+208) /* 2763 thue days? */
11:58:49 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194158&oldid=194157 * Marcus 2n2 * (+4) /* hello fellow filipino */
11:59:53 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194159&oldid=194156 * Ben-0606 * (+32) /* Baller is 2D */
12:00:15 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194160&oldid=191495 * Dragoneater67 * (+268) /* Please comment here */
12:05:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Plane crash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194161&oldid=194155 * Dragoneater67 * (+493) /* you */
12:06:23 <fungot> echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf
12:06:31 <fungot> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
12:07:05 <de67> ^thanks whats this
12:07:05 <fungot> Thanks, whats this. Thats this.
12:07:33 <fungot> : Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try ...
12:07:37 <fungot> That Pong alone cannot stop!
12:07:42 <fungot> That Pong alone cannot stop!
12:08:11 <de67> ^8ball should i delete my esolang wiki userpage?
12:08:18 <de67> well, fungot said so!
12:08:18 <fungot> de67: absence of operator is concatenation, right?
12:08:50 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194162&oldid=193947 * Dragoneater67 * (-3675) Replaced content with "{{Delete|the magic 8ball said so}}"
12:10:23 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194163&oldid=194159 * Ben-0606 * (+30) /* Balls */
12:11:25 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194164&oldid=194162 * Dragoneater67 * (+3675) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/194162|194162]] by [[Special:Contributions/Dragoneater67|Dragoneater67]] ([[User talk:Dragoneater67|talk]]) undelete!
12:12:00 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194165&oldid=194163 * Dragoneater67 * (-1) /* Syntax */
12:12:56 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194166&oldid=194165 * Dragoneater67 * (+41) /* Example */
12:16:53 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194167&oldid=194143 * PrySigneToFry * (+365)
12:23:54 <FireFly> it's, well, kind of an in-joke
12:24:07 <FireFly> well you asked what it was :p demonstrating the sort-of intended use
12:24:14 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * IamAfile * New user account
12:24:19 <de67> ^thanks FireFly
12:24:19 <fungot> Thanks, FireFly. ThireFly.
12:24:39 <de67> why does it replace the first letter with Th
12:24:50 <de67> ^thanks raiseafloppafan7
12:24:50 <fungot> Thanks, raiseafloppafan7. Thaiseafloppafan7.
12:24:59 <FireFly> the idea is it's an abbreviated form of thanking the person
12:25:28 <de67> The67 is a funny way to thank me :p
12:25:54 <fungot> >2,[>,]+15[>+6>+7>+3>+2<4-]>-6.>-.-7.+13.-3.+8.>-.>+2.<5[<]>[.>]>3+2.>.<3.<2[<]>[[-<2+>+>]+<-97[-4[-4[-6[-6[-4[>-<[-]]]]]]]>[[>]>2-11.<3[<]<.>3[.>]>3.>5][-]>]<3[[<]>2[.>]>5.>2]
12:26:26 <FireFly> ..ok I can't be bothered to decode it, but I think ideally it'd replace the leading consonant cluster or so
12:28:10 <de67> ^def tmp +>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>+.
12:28:10 <fungot> Usage: ^def <command> <lang> <code>
12:29:28 <de67> ^def tmp bf +>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>+.
12:30:25 <de67> ^tmp +.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.[+]+.
12:30:41 <de67> ^bf +.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.[+]+.
12:31:16 <de67> ^bf ++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.[+]++.
12:31:30 <de67> ^bf ++.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.[+]++.
12:31:40 <de67> ^bf +++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.[+]+++.
12:31:46 <fungot> <CTCP>.. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ...
12:32:59 <de67> ^bf +++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++.
12:33:15 <de67> ^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++.
12:33:51 <de67> ^def invert bf ++++++++++++++++++++++.[,.]
12:34:28 <de67> ^invert black on white text! (or white on black if youre that one psychopath who only uses xterm)
12:34:28 <fungot> black on white text! (or white on black if youre that one psychopath who only uses xterm)
12:36:21 <FireFly> you might want to experiment with it in PM instead, bit less spammy for the rest of the channel
12:36:59 <de67> i just realized that fungot's commands list is persistent across channels
12:37:00 <fungot> de67: i'd love to be able to do...
12:37:15 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194168&oldid=194151 * Cordership * (+531) /* Graham's number */
12:37:32 <b_jonas> ideally fungot should be made to join #esolangs-blah so that users can experiment there, that channel is not logged, but I think configuring him is difficult or something
12:37:46 <fungot> echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf invert
12:38:21 <fungot> echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf invert i-did-not-define-this-in-esolangs-irc-channel
12:39:50 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194169&oldid=194167 * Cleverxia * (+51) /* Examples */
12:45:55 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194170&oldid=194112 * IamAfile * (+228)
12:47:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194171&oldid=194160 * Marcus 2n2 * (+107) /* the ascii art on your userpage */
12:49:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:IamAfile]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194172 * IamAfile * (+241) Created page with "== About me == I am IamAfile. Even though my name sounds strange, I don't think it is at all. I'm a Chinese student. I'm about to take the exam for junior high school. Please take care of me. My English is not good, so I use a translator."
12:51:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:IamAfile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194173&oldid=194172 * IamAfile * (+18)
12:52:35 <esolangs> [[User talk:IamAfile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194174&oldid=194173 * IamAfile * (-259) Blanked the page
12:53:49 <esolangs> [[User:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194175&oldid=192415 * Marcus 2n2 * (+3839)
12:53:54 <esolangs> [[User:IamAfile]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194176 * IamAfile * (+259) Created page with "== About me == I am IamAfile. Even though my name sounds strange, I don't think it is at all. I'm a sixth-grade student in China. Please take care of me. My English is not good, so I use a translator. (72 97 118 101 32 97 32 103 111 111 100 32 100 97 121)"
12:54:29 <esolangs> [[Plack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194177 * IamAfile * (+9981) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Plack |paradigms=Stack-based |author=[[User:Ink Noise]] |year=2026 |class=Turing complete }} '''Plack'''that me! 2026 9 12 ? 0 ==== {| class="wikitable" ! !! |- | a || 0 |- | A || ..."
12:56:06 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194178&oldid=194171 * Marcus 2n2 * (+2) /* the ascii art on your userpage */
12:57:48 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194179&oldid=194076 * IamAfile * (+12)
12:59:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Plack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194180 * Dragoneater67 * (+203) Created page with "hi! pages on this wiki should be written in english --~~~~"
13:00:41 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194181&oldid=194177 * Dragoneater67 * (+29) i dont need to know chinese to smell slop
13:00:54 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194182&oldid=194181 * IamAfile * (+17)
13:02:34 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194183&oldid=194166 * Ben-0606 * (+6)
13:03:08 <de67> somehow the wiki got more active as the summer break ended
13:03:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Symball]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194184 * Marcus 2n2 * (+203) Created page with "==the compiler is UNSAFE== i can't enter the docs or the compiler without a warning, what's wrong? --~~~~"
13:04:06 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194185&oldid=194183 * Ben-0606 * (+5)
13:04:37 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194186&oldid=194182 * IamAfile * (+192)
13:06:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Symball]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194187&oldid=194184 * Dragoneater67 * (+322) /* the compiler is UNSAFE */
13:10:17 <esolangs> [[Stackfest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194188&oldid=194099 * Cordership * (+211)
13:11:02 <esolangs> [[Stackfest One Stack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194189&oldid=194098 * Cordership * (+218) /* Looping counter */
13:11:43 <esolangs> [[Stackfest One Stack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194190&oldid=194189 * Cordership * (-63) /* Truth-machine */
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13:13:38 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194191&oldid=194186 * IamAfile * (-29)
13:14:11 <esolangs> [[Stackfest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194192&oldid=194188 * Cordership * (-1) /* Truth-machine */
13:14:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194193&oldid=194180 * Dragoneater67 * (+354)
13:14:44 <esolangs> [[Plack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194194&oldid=194191 * Dragoneater67 * (+29) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/194191|194191]] by [[Special:Contributions/IamAfile|IamAfile]] ([[User talk:IamAfile|talk]])
13:18:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194195&oldid=192507 * Cordership * (+177)
13:18:18 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194196&oldid=194185 * Ben-0606 * (+125) /* Examples */
13:20:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194197&oldid=194195 * Dragoneater67 * (+169)
13:20:40 <de67> im in such a mood!
13:20:46 <de67> im ready to kil!
13:20:54 <de67> (for legal reasons this is a joke)
13:21:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Simpl]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194198&oldid=194197 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
13:22:25 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194199&oldid=194194 * IamAfile * (-29)
13:23:34 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194200&oldid=194199 * Dragoneater67 * (+29) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/194199|194199]] by [[Special:Contributions/IamAfile|IamAfile]] ([[User talk:IamAfile|talk]]) do not edit war
13:23:52 <de67> i dont like the direction in which this is going
13:24:38 <de67> i have an idea
13:25:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:IamAfile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194201&oldid=194174 * Dragoneater67 * (+557)
13:26:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:IamAfile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194202&oldid=194201 * I am islptng * (+195)
13:28:26 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194203&oldid=194200 * IamAfile * (-6600)
13:29:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194204&oldid=194198 * PkmnQ * (+151) haha natural
13:30:25 <esolangs> [[Stackfest One Stack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194205&oldid=194190 * Cordership * (+168) /* Programs */
13:30:56 <esolangs> [[Stackfest One Stack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194206&oldid=194205 * Cordership * (+14) /* Fibonacci sequence */
13:32:02 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194207&oldid=193284 * PrySigneToFry * (+27)
13:32:19 <esolangs> [[Plack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194208&oldid=194203 * I am islptng * (-12)
13:32:24 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194209&oldid=194208 * IamAfile * (+118)
13:33:10 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194210&oldid=194113 * Hammy * (+377) added 2 more examples
13:33:35 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194211&oldid=194209 * IamAfile * (-36)
13:37:20 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194212&oldid=194169 * PrySigneToFry * (+318)
13:38:13 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194213&oldid=194211 * IamAfile * (-18)
13:39:23 <esolangs> [[Baller]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194214&oldid=194196 * Ben-0606 * (+201) /* Examples */
13:40:16 <esolangs> [[Plack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194215&oldid=194213 * I am islptng * (+118)
13:41:08 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194216&oldid=194207 * PkmnQ * (+73) /* Type 38 */
13:42:50 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08/Sketches]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194217 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+928) Created page with "Here i will put sketches for my new esolangs and proofs. ==L1== A reversible turning tarpit. Space would shift to the next and nonspace (later shown as <code>#</code>) execute. It has this instruction wheel: flip <-- right left cond Cond
13:44:11 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194218&oldid=194215 * Dragoneater67 * (+63) /* Syntax Highlight */ surely i can ident it for readability, right?
13:44:31 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194219&oldid=194214 * Ben-0606 * (+2) /* Guessing game */
13:45:00 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194220&oldid=194218 * IamAfile * (+47)
13:45:32 <esolangs> [[Plack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194221&oldid=194220 * Dragoneater67 * (+31) /* Syntax Highlight */
13:46:29 <esolangs> [[Plack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194222&oldid=194221 * Dragoneater67 * (+34)
13:53:07 <esolangs> [[Plack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194223&oldid=194222 * IamAfile * (+290)
13:59:38 <esolangs> [[User talk:IamAfile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194224&oldid=194202 * IamAfile * (+162)
14:01:12 <esolangs> [[Stackfest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194225&oldid=194192 * Cordership * (+7) /* Examples */
14:01:28 <esolangs> [[Stackfest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194226&oldid=194225 * Cordership * (+7) /* Examples */
14:02:40 <esolangs> [[Stackfest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194227&oldid=194226 * Cordership * (-9) /* Cat program */
14:04:51 <esolangs> [[Stackfest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194228&oldid=194227 * Cordership * (+199) /* Cat program */
14:06:45 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194229&oldid=194219 * Ben-0606 * (+77) /* Examples */
14:11:44 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194230&oldid=194229 * Ben-0606 * (+84) /* Loops */
14:17:32 <esolangs> [[Baller]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194231&oldid=194230 * Ben-0606 * (+83) /* Examples */
14:17:39 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08/Sketches]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194232&oldid=194217 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+15) /* 3L TC proof sketch */
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14:25:10 <esolangs> [[User:Yetyetty1234567890]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194233&oldid=157014 * Yetyetty1234567890 * (+57) /* I hate I/D machine */
14:27:07 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194234&oldid=194179 * Ben-0606 * (+13) /* B */
14:29:08 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194235&oldid=194212 * Cleverxia * (+2) /* Cat */ fix for hungarian opening
14:35:12 <esolangs> [[Free Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194236&oldid=190005 * Yetyetty1234567890 * (+299) /* Additions */
14:35:38 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194237&oldid=194235 * Cleverxia * (+393) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */ moar features
14:39:26 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194238&oldid=194237 * Cleverxia * (-65) /* Examples */ prefix notation
15:08:01 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * EsolangOrgUser1234567 * New user account
15:24:11 <esolangs> [[User:Yetyetty1234567890]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194239&oldid=194233 * Yetyetty1234567890 * (+101) /* I (do not) hate I/D machine (anymore) */
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15:50:45 <esolangs> [[User:Yetyetty1234567890/Draft]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194240 * Yetyetty1234567890 * (+781) Created page with "[[Ridiculously Impractical Systems Computer]] or '''RISC''' for short, is as the name suggests, a computer for ridiculously impractical systems. It was made by [[User:Yetyetty1234567890]]. ==Description== '''RISC''' is a RISC ([[Wikipedi
16:02:47 <esolangs> [[Rouedeux]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194241&oldid=79059 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1106) TC proof, also it dosen't fit for "turNing tarpits" definition as there is no command wheel
16:03:37 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194242&oldid=194121 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+13) /* Turing-completness Proofs */
16:03:52 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194243&oldid=194242 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1) /* Turing-completness Proofs */
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16:17:35 <b_jonas> fricking unreadable specifications. https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#classes says the class attribute is "a set of space-separated tokens", which is defined at https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#set-of-space-separated-tokens which says "How tokens in a set of space-separated tokens are to be compared (e.g. case-sensitively or not) is defined on a per-set basis", but the previous use doesn't actually mention if
16:17:41 <b_jonas> they're compared case-sensitively. The CSS spec at https://drafts.csswg.org/css2/#value-def-identifier specifically says that it doesn't tell you how class names are compared, that's the HTML spec's job. So are class names in CSS selectors supposed to match class names in the HTML attribute? It's probably somewhere in the specifications but good luck finding it.
16:20:45 <int-e> Maybe the DOM spec has something to say... "The comparisons for the classes must be done in an ASCII case-insensitive manner if root’s node document’s mode is "quirks"; otherwise in an identical to manner."
16:21:06 <b_jonas> int-e: yeah, so does that actually apply to matching CSS rules?
16:22:58 <b_jonas> jesus, if you follow the references it also says that vertical tab doesn't count as "ASCII whitespace".
16:23:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * EsolangUser1234567 * New user account
16:23:23 <b_jonas> at https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#ascii-whitespace
16:24:06 <b_jonas> I might give in and just be wastefully conservative when generating class names and ids
16:24:19 <de67> oh this chat is active again :p
16:25:12 <b_jonas> as in assume that they might be matched case-insensitively or case-sensitively on the client side
16:27:26 <int-e> b_jonas: oh look there's this entire section: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#case-sensitivity-of-selectors
16:27:59 <int-e> which fails to spell out what happens in quirks mode
16:28:16 <int-e> (and yes, this entire specification is unreadable)
16:29:45 <int-e> oh I guess the Note does spell it out actually. Are Notes supposed to be normative though? I would've thought otherwise.
16:29:49 <fizzie> de67: ^thanks is a reference to "Thanks, ants. Thants." from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look_Around_You
16:32:01 <b_jonas> hmm, how many of the characters with codes from 0x80 to 0x7FF do you suppose are usable if I want a future-proof case-insensitive match? is there enough entropy to make it worth to use that space in an UTF-8-encoded document where those take two bytes?
16:32:41 <de67> ^thanks fizzie
16:32:41 <fungot> Thanks, fizzie. Thizzie.
16:33:11 <b_jonas> probably should avoid some more of them to avoid confusing visual matches among different scripts
16:33:46 <b_jonas> oh never mind, those have to be escaped in CSS because CSS is a tight-ass
16:33:59 <b_jonas> in CSS class selectors that is
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16:35:04 <fizzie> You'll note that it's not strictly "replace first character by 'th'", because ants -> thants while fizzie -> thizzie. But it's also not something terribly sophisticated, I seem to recall it's just looking for the first [aeiou] or something.
16:35:50 <de67> ^ thanks xddcc
16:36:08 <de67> now how to explain this???
16:36:22 <de67> ^thanks rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre
16:36:22 <fungot> Thanks, rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre. The.
16:36:54 <de67> so it replace first continuous sequence of consonants
16:37:13 <de67> (im sure theres a simpler way to say this)
16:37:20 <de67> (but im word golfing)
16:38:04 <de67> someone made account EsolangOrgUser1234567
16:38:27 <de67> and on the same day, (presumably) the same person made the account EsolangUser1234567
16:38:49 <de67> neither of these accounts have made any edits to Esolang:Introduce yourself
16:41:00 <int-e> de67: If they don't pass that check then they can't edit so we don't have to worry about them. It's how this is supposed to work.
16:41:40 <int-e> I'm sure we have thousands of such accounts... created, passed "captcha", never edited a thing.
16:42:01 <int-e> or, at least, hundreds
16:48:58 <de67> int-e: yea, if there were thousands, we'd all be bots :D
16:49:47 <de67> ^thanks QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
16:49:47 <fungot> Thanks, QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ ...
16:50:14 <de67> alr ill move it to pm
16:50:23 <fungot> >2,[>,]+15[>+6>+7>+3>+2<4-]>-6.>-.-7.+13.-3.+8.>-.>+2.<5[<]>[.>]>3+2.>.<3.<2[<]>[[-<2+>+>]+<-97[-4[-4[-6[-6[-4[>-<[-]]]]]]]>[[>]>2-11.<3[<]<.>3[.>]>3.>5][-]>]<3[[<]>2[.>]>5.>2]
16:50:33 <fungot> de67: did you consider my idea about " run initial line"? i mean, c-intercal is optimised too, to munch on lunch.
16:50:34 <fizzie> For the HackEso breakage, I'm not exactly sure why it happened, because the observability story isn't great. But it'd been left with an unclean working copy. It's possible the commit (of removing all the wisdom) was just too large to record within the resource limits.
16:50:35 <de67> fefdjdskjfsdklfjdlkfd
16:50:52 <fizzie> I might look into adding some extra guardrails for the commit size beyond just the canary check, though that might affect legitimate changes too, either ones adding a big new thing (though that kind of thing is probably best kept outside the version-controlled parts anyway) or cleaning up large amounts of cruft.
16:51:56 <de67> im sorry im sorry i keep breaking things
16:52:18 <de67> i should physiclly remove the backtick from my laptop's keybaord
16:53:58 <de67> yeah something like that happened
16:55:05 <fizzie> Breaking it is fine, because it's arguably a bug if it can be broken in a non-revertable way without trying particularly hard. But it'd be better to break it in some more creative way than just removing a bunch of things.
16:55:27 <de67> i didnt even mean to break it
16:55:51 <de67> afaik /hackenv (and by extent /hackenv/wisdom) is version controlled
16:56:03 <fizzie> Anyway, it should be back to normal again, I just reverted the unclean working copy manually, didn't even have to undo the commit since it hadn't made a commit.
16:56:06 <de67> so `run rm -rf /hackenv/wisdom shouldve been harmless
16:56:12 <HackEso> Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
16:56:24 <HackEso> Do not waste my time with such jokes. If you even DARE utter those two digits juxtaposed in that order again, I will end you. I will make sure no one even remembers your existence. I will erase you from this universe. It will be as if you never even existed.
16:56:31 <int-e> no, you just tried to remove 1600 files at once.
16:56:52 <de67> int-e: it had 1600 files???
16:57:06 <int-e> which, if successful, would've created a humongous commit, and then another one for `revert
16:57:17 <int-e> `` find ../wisdom -type f | wc -l
16:57:28 <de67> `rm /hackenv/wisdom/67
16:57:30 -!- Everything has quit (Quit: leaving).
16:57:37 <de67> no Everything left
16:57:47 <de67> everythings gonna collapse
16:58:16 <HackEso> +[+[ \ 🌱 \ 3 \ 67.txt \ 7ermk2UVHP4U \ a \ a.c \ altairz80l64 \ a.o \ a.out \ app.dsk \ appleiicpm.dsk \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ AxgmKr9kfl7f \ AxgmKr9kfl7f.cpp \ a.zip \ banana.txt \ bef2 \ bfi \ bin \ Burlesque \ b.zip \ canary \ cmd.whatis \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ cpm2.dsk \ cpmrun.txt \ detect \ detect.c \ e \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ eGtbSgN68aHU \ fence.c \ foo \ f.txt \ fungot.txt \ hac \ hackbf \ hackbf.c \ hackh \ hackh.c \ hacktest \
16:59:13 <HackEso> <de6̈7> rm /hackenv/wisdom/67 \ <raiseafloppafan̈7> le/rn 67//Do not waste my time with such jokes. If you even DARE utter those two digits juxtaposed in that order again, I will end you. I will make sure no one even remembers your existence. I will erase you from this universe. It will be as if you never even existed. \ <raiseafloppafan̈7> le/rn 67//Do not waste my time with such jokes. If you even DARE utter those two digits juxtaposed in that orde
16:59:40 <fizzie> I freely confess I can absolutely not keep track of all those helpful shortcut commands like howg, plwd, hwrl, gwni and so on.
17:00:03 <fizzie> Apparently howg is an implicit-wisdom hoag, just like dowg is an implicit-wisdom doag.
17:00:12 <fizzie> It's like a whole another language.
17:00:32 <fizzie> On the topic of users with no edits, I think I checked the count at one point, it's not insubstantial.
17:00:46 <de67> `le/rn 67//HAHAHAHHAHAHAH LOOK EVERYONE IM GOING SSSIX SEEVEVEN
17:00:52 <HackEso> Learned '67': HAHAHAHHAHAHAH LOOK EVERYONE IM GOING SSSIX SEEVEVEN
17:00:57 <HackEso> HAHAHAHHAHAHAH LOOK EVERYONE IM GOING SSSIX SEEVEVEN
17:01:41 <de67> fizzie: how many exactly?
17:03:19 <fizzie> As of right now, there are 9482 unique user accounts, of which 7598 have at least one edit, and 1884 have none at all (so by definition haven't introduced themselves).
17:03:56 <de67> thats quite a lot
17:04:06 <int-e> Huh, somehow I expected a worse ratio.
17:04:08 <fizzie> I don't remember if we fully cleaned up the accounts from the spambot investation that motivated the whole introduction requirement in the first place.
17:05:00 <de67> i think we can just dpurge all accounts without any edits and have been around for >30 days
17:05:10 <fizzie> Also that number's from a mostly-guesswork SQL query on the MediaWiki database (`user_editcount > 0`), which _seems_ plausible, but may be off due to some subtlety.
17:05:32 <de67> why would a database lie to you???
17:05:44 <fizzie> That's not really reasonable because some people might create an account just to be able to customize their experience (or get around the "only logged-in users can access these pages" restructions) with no intention to edit the wiki.
17:06:19 <de67> havent thought about the people who want to use cologne blue
17:06:48 <de67> do we just leave them around?
17:06:54 <de67> ig theyre mostly harmless
17:07:05 <int-e> For example, my last edit was in April. And I'm sure this hasn't been my longest gap, I really only edit sporadically.
17:07:28 <de67> int-e: whats your username on esolang wiki btw?
17:07:35 <int-e> it's the obvious one
17:07:40 <de67> int-e: im not talking about people who rarely edit the wiki
17:07:49 <de67> its more about who DONT edit the wiki
17:08:22 <de67> why did i assume that you would have anything other than int-e
17:08:46 <int-e> Ah, no edits at all. That... would work I guess but it's also pointless, unless you're worried about them taking away precious account names.
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17:09:11 <int-e> fizzie: Ah, good point.
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17:09:32 <de67> pasting this thing freezes catgirl
17:09:39 <de67> (dont take this out of context)
17:10:06 <int-e> `le/rn-append 67 This froze catgirl.
17:10:09 <HackEso> le/rn-append? No such file or directory
17:10:15 <int-e> `le/rn_append 67 This froze catgirl.
17:10:25 <int-e> `le/rn_append 67//This froze catgirl.
17:10:30 <de67> the name of the page you last edited
17:10:31 <HackEso> Learned '67': HAHAHAHHAHAHAH LOOK EVERYONE IM GOING SSSIX SEEVEVEN This froze catgirl.
17:10:37 <de67> i recall that esolang
17:10:47 <de67> i saw it on discord (which i no longer use)
17:11:11 <int-e> `slwd 67//s/VEN/VEN!/
17:11:18 <HackEso> 67//HAHAHAHHAHAHAH LOOK EVERYONE IM GOING SSSIX SEEVEVEN! This froze catgirl.
17:11:54 <de67> you guys have sed for hackeso???
17:12:33 <int-e> `` cat ../bin/slwd
17:12:35 <HackEso> cd $HACKENV/wisdom; sled "$1" | sed '1s/^Rosebud!$/Roswbud!/'
17:12:50 <int-e> `` cat ../bin/sled
17:12:52 <HackEso> #!/bin/bash \ opts="${2--i}" \ [[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo 'usage: sled file//script'; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || { echo 'Rosebud!'; exit 1; }; sed $opts "$value" "$key" ;
17:12:58 <esolangs> [[Railhooking]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194245 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1755) Created page with "'''Railhooking''' is a version of [[User:Yayimhere]]'s esolang [[Trainhooking]] made by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] that is [[Turing-complete]]. ==Description== Indexes of Railhooking commands start at 0. It has two unbounded signed registers initialized to 0,
17:13:01 <int-e> there's a lot of weird shell scripts around
17:13:15 <int-e> sadly Sam Adomei broke the repo browser that made them conveniently discoverable
17:13:55 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194246&oldid=194243 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+17) /* 2026 */
17:14:07 <int-e> (i.e. excessive crawling)
17:14:26 <de67> who tf is Sam Adomei??
17:14:34 <int-e> And of course it says "Rosebud" because it's a sled.
17:14:55 <int-e> de67: a merger of the CEOs of Anthropic and OpenAI
17:15:21 <de67> int-e: wait, these 2 giant megacorporations are merging?
17:15:26 <de67> werea ll so cooked
17:15:37 <de67> theyre gonna make superintelligence thatll kill us all
17:15:43 <int-e> Which are symbols of the LLM excesses that lead to said excessive crawling of the web.
17:16:04 <de67> yea, the webs gonna die
17:16:15 <de67> the evil crawlers will kill them with hammers
17:16:15 <int-e> It *would* be funny if they merged, but no, it's just a play with names.
17:16:29 <de67> int-e: wdym funny??
17:16:46 <int-e> Altman and Adomei do NOT like each other.
17:18:29 <HackEso> /hackenv/share/scowrevs is a list of repository revision ranges that affected a lot of files but in the end changed nothing (usually because of a revert at the end). Most of our custom repository lookup commands ignore these to reduce noise.
17:18:30 <de67> in an alternate universe they'd love eachother
17:22:22 <HackEso> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
17:22:35 <de67> do you use codeberg
17:23:08 <de67> just wanna tell you that the slide thing is on codeberg
17:27:39 <de67> aadenboy: its so weird that youre white
17:27:44 <de67> your irc nick color
17:27:55 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: yow url roll pl let do
17:28:09 <lambdabot> Well, here I am in AMERICA.. I LIKE it. I HATE it. I LIKE it. I
17:28:09 <lambdabot> HATE it. I LIKE it. I HATE it. I LIKE it. I HATE it. I LIKE ...
17:28:25 <de67> catgirl uses a different algorithm for coloring nicks
17:28:35 -!- aadenboy has changed nick to aa.
17:28:38 <de67> i think its based on the hash of the nick
17:28:40 -!- aa has changed nick to aadenboy.
17:28:45 <de67> aa: nah youre still white
17:30:45 <esolangs> [[3L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194247&oldid=190874 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+118) Added an infinite loop example
17:34:19 <aadenboy> the third lime in the trilime is weirdly darker
17:34:46 <esolangs> [[Trainhooking]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194248&oldid=165034 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+62) /* See also */
17:34:56 <de67> aadenboy: It's rotting. It's rotting. It's rotting. It's rotting. It's rotting. It's rotting. It's rotting. It's rotting.
17:35:16 <de67> the wikis gonna die
17:35:20 <de67> my agi will kill it
17:35:45 <int-e> aadenboy: Well, it's angled slightly differently. But it might also be lighted weirdly
17:36:29 <de67> int-e: no, its rotting, the wiki is a sinking ship
17:36:38 <de67> the n00bs have ruined it with crappy pages
17:36:58 <de67> and no one wants to fix the categories
17:37:04 <de67> cuz "its too much effort"
17:37:54 <int-e> You're welcome to take a wiki dump and host your own mediawiki that's better.
17:37:59 <fizzie> I don't know if I'd really blame Sam Adomei for the crawling, though I guess you could assign indirect responsibility to them for building up the whole thing.
17:38:01 <fizzie> (Also poor Demis is going to feel left out.)
17:38:10 <de67> who tf is demis
17:38:16 <de67> is that the guy who founded google
17:38:25 <int-e> fizzie: Yeah the choice of names *is* symbolic.
17:38:35 <fizzie> Demis Hassabis, the guy leading Deepmind (up until recently).
17:38:46 <de67> oh so it is the goggle ai thing
17:39:02 <fizzie> Also the primary developer of Theme Park, the DOS game from 1994.
17:39:11 <de67> int-e: i just realized that there a reason tone markers exist
17:39:31 <fizzie> I think it's funny that Demis said in an interview that he's spent his whole life working to build AGI, so presumably Theme Park guest behavior was also in pursuit of that goal.
17:39:34 <int-e> fizzie: Sorry, Gemini just isn't part of the cool club. It just exists, it doesn't make the headlines.
17:40:01 <de67> int-e: gemini joins the ai hype train once a year
17:40:16 <de67> each time its gonna fade out in a week
17:40:27 <int-e> Now if I were to pick somebody who was a trailblazer for the current LLM hype... yeah he'd make the top 3, maybe the top 2.
17:40:28 <fizzie> A lot of the fundamental technology (GPT, for example) came out of Google research side, though, so you can possibly assign some blame to them that way.
17:40:34 <de67> thats why we have literally agi popping out every other week
17:41:16 <int-e> But I mostly associate him with the CNN hype around Go and chess. (AlphaGo, AlphaZero)
17:41:51 <int-e> Like, he had his name on the papers :P
17:42:03 <int-e> I'm not sure whether he made technical contributions?
17:42:19 <int-e> But the same can be said about Sammy and Dario.
17:42:59 <de67> cant say Sam without AM
17:43:07 <de67> sam altman is evil confirmed
17:45:19 <de67> int-e: regarding the forking the wiki thing
17:45:26 <de67> i dont think thats a good solution
17:45:40 <fizzie> The new Google London office is called Platform 37 as a reference to move 37 in that famous Go game. (And "platform" because it's next to the Kings Cross train station.)
17:45:43 <esolangs> [[2DFIM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194249&oldid=194087 * Squidmanescape * (+63) Now that I think of it, this 2D version makes a bunch of decisions which don't need to exist.
17:45:44 <de67> we should put all of our effort on improving this wiki
17:45:48 <de67> until it eventually dies
17:46:05 <de67> and turns into a sad corpse, as agi makes esolanging obsolete
17:48:02 <fizzie> Fun piece of trivia: King's Cross is one of those few UK stations (I think there's maybe half a dozen) that has a platform 0.
17:48:02 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08/Sketches]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194250&oldid=194232 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+116) /* 3L TC proof sketch */
17:48:04 <fizzie> (It usually happens when they add a new platform to an existing station next to what was formerly platform 1, and don't want to renumber because people are used to the existing designations.)
17:48:20 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08/Sketches]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194251&oldid=194250 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+2)
17:48:26 <fizzie> I don't think there's a platform -1 anywhere, that'd probably be going a bit too far.
17:48:34 <de67> that implies that platoform -1 could exist
17:48:39 <de67> aaaand you already said that
17:50:47 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194252&oldid=193903 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+16) /* Non-alphabetic */ I think 2DChanger could be put on this list
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17:51:48 <esolangs> [[HeacunQ9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194253&oldid=134007 * Squidmanescape * (-24) There seems to be an implementation, right?
17:52:25 <fizzie> Looks like I underestimated a bit, there's (at least) 10 in the UK. Also 9 in Japan, and a handful scattered elsewhere around the world.
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17:53:53 <de67> fizzie: should we handhold n00bs?
17:54:08 <de67> me and raiseafloppafan are making a welcome slide that does that:
17:54:15 <de67> https://de67.codeberg.page/
17:54:21 <int-e> . o O ( And Russia has the most Vauxhalls. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB )
17:54:26 <de67> the idea is that the modern person
17:54:35 <de67> has a tiny attention small
17:54:46 <de67> the slide accomodates for that by having picture
17:54:53 <de67> and being brief when possible
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17:55:34 <de67> hi Lord_of_Life
17:56:10 <de67> int-e: i thought that vauxhalls are the same as train stations
17:56:22 <de67> oh wait they are
17:56:32 <de67> such a wierd word to use
17:56:49 <int-e> it's one of the more interesting etymologies out there
17:57:15 <de67> the hall part is obvious
17:57:19 <de67> but whats a vaux?
17:58:00 <fizzie> In that case shouldn't it be a portrait-oriented TikTok video with an enthusiastic person shouting the instructions with rapid-fire subtitles baked into it?
17:58:07 <fizzie> I change at the Vauxhall vauxhall sometimes.
17:58:34 <de67> fizzie: thats a bit too much
17:58:38 <int-e> de67: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall#In_the_Russian_language
17:59:02 <de67> if someone needs a tiktok video to understand how to use the wiki
17:59:14 <de67> they should just turn off theyre phone and go to sleep
17:59:31 <de67> how could someone as good as me make such a silly mistake
17:59:40 <int-e> So it's actually not clear that the connection to Vauxhall is real. It's a great story though ;)
17:59:40 <de67> were all getting sumber and dumber
17:59:48 <de67> the societys gonna collapse
18:00:07 <int-e> But it still connects to "fox hall" at least.
18:00:22 <de67> i dont remember foxes being on train tations
18:00:42 <de67> dammit, i cant type, my brin is melting real time
18:01:00 <de67> were all turning into grey slop sludge
18:01:05 <de67> enslaved by chatgpt
18:01:14 <aadenboy> not me. I am turning into lime and teal sludge
18:01:25 <aadenboy> er, I already am that color sludge
18:01:31 <de67> aadnboy: the lime is rotting the lime is rotting the lime sidfjdsgfjkhfskjgfsadkjasdkjhbsadkkjadfs
18:01:39 <fizzie> I do see a fox on a disused platform in Queenstown Road station sometimes.
18:01:47 <fizzie> (There's a lot of foxes around London.)
18:01:51 <de67> fizzie: lucky you!
18:04:31 <de67> i just realized that [[semi-serious language list]]
18:04:45 <de67> though im not that enthusiatic about manually maintained lists
18:04:58 <de67> but this one might justify its existence
18:06:23 <esolangs> [[Turing (Joshop)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194254&oldid=137782 * Squidmanescape * (+28)
18:06:50 <esolangs> [[C-trice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194255&oldid=137804 * Squidmanescape * (+33)
18:07:44 <esolangs> [[FreakC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194256&oldid=158585 * Squidmanescape * (+33)
18:07:56 <esolangs> [[Cpy/Converter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194257&oldid=137793 * Squidmanescape * (+33)
18:08:08 <esolangs> [[FJZ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194258&oldid=194109 * Squidmanescape * (+33)
18:08:21 <esolangs> [[Setscript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194259&oldid=94291 * Squidmanescape * (+33)
18:08:36 <esolangs> [[Set script]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194260&oldid=94292 * Squidmanescape * (+33)
18:10:45 <aadenboy> apparently I do not have much inspiration at the moment because this was all I could come up with for a trilime creature: https://aadenboy.github.io/miscellaneous/hmmh.png
18:11:07 <aadenboy> The onlyidea I had was using ascii characters for the face and limbs. And that was it
18:13:05 <de67> you could slap a face and limbs on a trilime
18:13:09 <de67> thatd be enough
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18:14:50 <b_jonas> fizzie: yeah, me too, I can't keep track of those commands. I just use hg and grep directly.
18:16:13 <b_jonas> de67: I disagree. Don't purge unused wiki accounts. They're cheap.
18:40:44 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08/Sketches]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194261&oldid=194251 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+460) /* L1 */
18:41:36 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194262&oldid=194150 * Miui * (+1) /* 17 */ fixed example program. programs in 17 the language are a sum of lower-case iotas, therefore the enumeration of the AFG self-referential structure over 17 must be followed by a multiplication by 2
18:41:40 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08/Sketches]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194263&oldid=194261 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-6) /* 3L TC proof sketch */
18:42:17 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08/Sketches]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194264&oldid=194263 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+9)
18:56:45 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194265&oldid=147164 * Squidmanescape * (+325) I wanted to add this because it was useful.
18:58:02 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Self-referential complete]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194266 * Miui * (+532) submit draft "Self-referential complete"
18:59:34 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194267&oldid=194170 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+264)
18:59:47 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194268 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+1565) Created page with "Turing 110 is a Cellular Automaton Turing Tarpit.It uses Rule 110s rules as most of the computation.Colored squares are 1, and uncolored squares are 0, so it runs row by row. It adds more square types like 2, -i-, Y, p, P. ==Code== ===Commands=== {| class=
19:01:31 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194269&oldid=194268 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+2)
19:03:05 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194270&oldid=193922 * Miui * (+80) /* esolangs */ add appley nib 1
19:06:12 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194271&oldid=194269 * EsolangUser1234567 * (-26)
19:07:02 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194272&oldid=194271 * EsolangUser1234567 * (-13)
19:08:29 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194273&oldid=194272 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+0)
19:10:59 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194274&oldid=194273 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+27)
19:18:18 <esolangs> [[Gino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194275&oldid=137785 * Squidmanescape * (+33)
19:18:33 <esolangs> [[Gino/Interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194276&oldid=137794 * Squidmanescape * (+33)
19:18:59 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194277&oldid=169229 * Squidmanescape * (+33)
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19:20:58 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194278&oldid=194274 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+321) Made it more readable.
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19:23:21 <de67> aww the tirlime mascot is so cute!
19:23:34 <de67> im supposed to be evil
19:24:19 <de67> KILL IT WITH HAMMER!
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19:24:55 <aadenboy> I need to give the thing more Floruish
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20:11:32 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194286&oldid=194285 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+7) /* hello fellow filipino */ fix my wording a bit
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20:34:56 <esolangs> [[The kids choice awards]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194288&oldid=193487 * Tommyaweosme * (-510) shorter brainfuck version
20:38:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Color Scheme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194289&oldid=188819 * Miui * (-1248) /* more */ replaced rgb references with one that includes both hex and RGB triple
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20:43:30 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194290&oldid=193978 * Miui * (+393) pasting a rough draft for a colorscheme prog
20:56:44 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194291&oldid=194290 * Miui * (+419)
21:13:57 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194292&oldid=194277 * Hotcrystal0 * (+453) An esolang page should not be deleted just because its creator abandoned it
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21:23:45 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: i've used 4nt a lot, that's why c is any number
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21:36:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Jack6254 * New user account
21:38:38 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194293&oldid=194267 * Jack6254 * (+192) /* Introductions */
21:47:01 <esolangs> [[User:Jack6254/Sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194294 * Jack6254 * (+43) Created page with "'''Test''' ''Test'' ===== PLUSMINUS ====="
21:48:49 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194295&oldid=194284 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+459) Fix Fix Fix
21:53:02 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194296&oldid=194295 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+39) Better
21:55:52 <aadenboy> raiseafloppafan7: https://aadenboy.github.io/miscellaneous/hmmh.png <- concept of a trilime creature
21:56:47 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194297&oldid=194296 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+214) Better
21:58:04 <esolangs> [[Turing 110]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194298&oldid=194297 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+9) Fixing grammer
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22:26:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Color SchemeNah..png.png]]"
22:30:47 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194302&oldid=194262 * Miui * (+705) /* Color Scheme */ add example
22:35:37 <esolangs> [[File:Color SchemeNah..png.png]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194303&oldid=194301 * Miui * (+65) correct file description, append note regarding magic marker buffer
22:59:43 <esolangs> [[User:IamAfile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194304&oldid=194176 * Ais523 * (-12) rm personal information
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23:00:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:MY E KEY BROKE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194305&oldid=193614 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+387) Befunge but it breaks every 2 weeks
23:02:38 <esolangs> [[User talk:IamAfile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194306&oldid=194224 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+589) /* regarding Category:Generated by AI */ reply to dragoneater67
23:03:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:IamAfile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194307&oldid=194306 * Ais523 * (-4) rm personal information
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23:11:23 <esolangs> [[MY E KEY BROKE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194309&oldid=193213 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+201) Stop saying that my session data is lost. I try to submit my changes again and it works every time. You are onto nothing here. Stop doing that now.
23:11:47 <esolangs> [[MY E KEY BROKE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194310&oldid=194309 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-418) /* Cat program */ what
23:12:00 <aadenboy> accept your session data lost fate smh
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23:13:16 <ais523> <aadenboy2> anyways abusefilter could probably be used? there'd need to be a way to detect for that though ← I don't think abusefilter could detect it, I basically made the "introduce yourself" work by banning editing any other page unless you had at least 1 edit (thus forcing that page to be the first edit), but trying to generalise that to a tutorial would be super-difficult
23:14:51 <aadenboy> bumping: I wonder if the TemplateStyles extension could be added to the wiki? my worry is the mass inline styling would make the page size larger than it needs to be when loading. and there is a template inclusion size limit iirc
23:15:52 <esolangs> [[MY E KEY BROKE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194311&oldid=194310 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+177) Not WIP, also add infobox proglang I kinda miss it
23:16:29 <esolangs> [[Nevermind]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194312&oldid=85323 * Bangyen * (-88) /* Implementations */
23:17:08 <esolangs> [[Basicfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194313&oldid=189075 * Bangyen * (-99)
23:17:10 <ais523> aadenboy: I can't install extensions (fizzie would need to do that): one issue with that is that basically any feature added to the wiki tends to get experimented with, and TemplateStyles could do some pretty weird things if overexperimented with
23:17:18 <ais523> but I think it might be admin-only? in which case it would be fine
23:18:04 <aadenboy> templatestyles requires that the style page is sanitized css, which isn't default for non-template namespace pages
23:18:36 <aadenboy> preventing regular users from changing the page type would prevent experimentation
23:19:53 <ais523> we should probably do that (=prevent changing page type) anyway, the first thing just about everyone does when they see the "change content model" button is to try it out to see what it does
23:21:07 <ais523> again, though, this isn't a setting I can change myeslf
23:25:06 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194314&oldid=194270 * Miui * (-211)
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23:28:58 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194316&oldid=194315 * Miui * (-11) /* drafts */ removed one WIP, added another
23:29:56 <esolangs> [[Scratch/block]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194317&oldid=193818 * Aadenboy * (+167) readability in source
23:30:02 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194318&oldid=194316 * Miui * (-115) /* actually hilarious */ removed redlink
23:31:14 <ais523> <raiseafloppafan7> de67: Yeah but I think OCaml is better (never even used it btw) <de67> nah ocaml sucks (i never used it) ← I used OCaml seriously (including for a job), the language itself is really nice for the things that it's good at, but I gave up on it because building and running programs was too complicated
23:31:47 <ais523> (it isn't so bad to just run a single program with no dependencies, but I couldn't figure out how to link in libraries, and things were pretty complicated even just with multiple files)
23:32:30 <ais523> one of the things that helps Rust a lot is that at least it's easy to build in common cases
23:33:09 <HackEso> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
23:33:30 <ais523> OK, someone restored the wisdom database, so I don't have to figure out how to phrase the revert command
23:34:23 <HackEso> | (also notated by ∨, +, or ||) is the or operator; | is also the bitwise or operator, the pipe operator, and the delimiter for templates and tables in MediaWiki. Not to be confused with the dental click /ǀ/.
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23:40:00 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Policy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194320&oldid=183400 * Ais523 * (+313) /* What will happen to this page if/when the draft policy goes into effect? */ reply
23:40:16 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Policy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194321&oldid=194320 * Ais523 * (+3) /* What will happen to this page if/when the draft policy goes into effect? */ fix thinkos
23:40:39 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194322&oldid=194287 * EsolangUser1234567 * (+51)
23:47:38 <fizzie> I'm generally happy to install any extensions that are actively maintained and don't have complicated dependency requirements.
23:47:53 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194323&oldid=192059 * Hotcrystal0 * (+399)
23:48:00 <fizzie> Apparently TemplateStyles "comes with MediaWiki 1.44 and later", which is even easier; unfortunately we're on 1.43, which I was kind of thinking of sticking with because it's an LTS release and I'm lazy.
23:48:05 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194324&oldid=194302 * Miui * (+68) /* Color Scheme */ made it into ascii art
23:48:37 <fizzie> I guess they'll have a new LTS release (1.47) in a couple of months though.
23:54:11 <ais523> wow there have been a lot of introduce-yourself failures normally
23:54:14 <aadenboy> it does allow you to download a 1.43 compatible version
23:54:33 <ais523> I don't look at those very often but I feel like it's more than usual
23:54:37 <fizzie> Yeah, but that's still more steps than just enabling something bundled in.
23:54:45 <fizzie> (Also happy to move the `editcontentmodel` permission from `user` to `sysop` if you tell me that makes sense.)
23:55:41 <aadenboy> 1.47 is the parsoid release version!
23:56:12 <aadenboy> rephrase: the version that will come with parsoid by default
23:58:44 <ais523> <fizzie> I don't remember if we fully cleaned up the accounts from the spambot investation that motivated the whole introduction requirement in the first place. ← we didn't, the accounts still exist and still have their edit count recorded, they're just blocked
23:59:29 <ais523> actually some of the blocks might start ending soon, IIRC (I doubt the spambots are going to try to log back into them after this long, though)