> 1789948957 608843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195704&oldid=195629 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+9) 10 < 1789949289 113131 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1789949304 436649 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 269 seconds < 1789949366 458297 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1789950821 21884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071414]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195705&oldid=195691 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+162) 10/* Instructions */ < 1789951001 553061 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :2021 is quite unusual < 1789951070 541924 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why do the logs in 2012 black out from July to the end of the year? < 1789951494 415312 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs : AnalysisOfVarian: what do you mean by black out? < 1789951509 391173 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just somewhat less traffic? < 1789951545 586548 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean when I scraped the logs, I just saw "no logs for month: 2012-{07-12} < 1789951550 393225 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :" < 1789951564 119969 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :did you mistype the year? < 1789951582 199484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :2021 is the freenode drama year < 1789951610 194082 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no logs for month: 2012-07 < 1789951610 274827 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no logs for month: 2012-08 < 1789951610 274871 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no logs for month: 2012-09 < 1789951610 274877 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no logs for month: 2012-10 < 1789951610 313105 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no logs for month: 2012-11 < 1789951611 135010 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no logs for month: 2012-12 < 1789951619 670013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :where? < 1789951621 198084 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I de see logs for those months < 1789951646 967114 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh < 1789951660 81847 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the requests my program made are cooked < 1789951663 668883 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks < 1789952082 213516 :amby!~ambylastn@46.162.147.147.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1789952228 159458 :FreeFull!~freefull@user/FreeFull QUIT :Ping timeout: 259 seconds < 1789952294 58492 :FreeFull!~freefull@user/FreeFull JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1789952564 254919 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I thought about exposing the underlying protobuf-formatted logs in case anyone wanted to archive them with absolute fidelity. < 1789952645 603401 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The raw text format is _almost_ sufficient for that already, but it's missing the IRCv3 tags (which I could certainly add in, but that might confuse any readers that weren't expecting them). < 1789952756 484063 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that sometimes making a programming language for something specific can sometimes involve things that are sometimes related to esolangs. The article [[Prehistory of esoteric programming languages]] on esolang wiki has a few examples of this, although there are also such things as considerations of computational classes, comparisons with other esolangs, etc. < 1789952842 296435 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also, I like to use DER as a binary structured data format, rather than protobuf and others, mostly.) < 1789953183 27724 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(In the case of something such as IRC logs, the "multi-DER" variant might be better, like how concatenated JSON can be used as an alternative of plain JSON, and possibly similarly with some other kind of file formats.) < 1789953474 475627 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(However, whatever format is available, might do, although there is the existing raw text format which is probably good enough for most purposes, even though some things it might not be, it has not been a problem to me personally and I don't know who else it has been but maybe there is some.) > 1789954213 562777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Esofish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195706&oldid=195404 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+162) 10 > 1789955193 483623 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TetoLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195707&oldid=195663 5* 03A random guy 5* (-5) 10 > 1789955443 709973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Esofish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195708&oldid=195706 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+270) 10 > 1789955931 970453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lambda calculus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195709&oldid=162873 5* 03Corbin 5* (+237) 10Convert references to common style. Add a small section to justify reference 4, which AFAICT was never actually used prior to this. > 1789956290 100302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TetoLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195710&oldid=195707 5* 03A random guy 5* (+28) 10I did state it was turing complete I think. > 1789956309 465591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TetoLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195711&oldid=195710 5* 03A random guy 5* (+1) 10 > 1789956325 942177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TetoLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195712&oldid=195711 5* 03A random guy 5* (+0) 10 > 1789958058 181837 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Cordership14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195713&oldid=195660 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+182) 10/* plz write a quine in simpl */ < 1789958656 100307 :miui!~miui@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] miui > 1789959790 158370 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TetoLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195714&oldid=195712 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+169) 10/* Commands */ > 1789959911 341826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Luafuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195715&oldid=107912 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+1) 10/* Primitives */ < 1789959957 886608 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lua < 1789960476 678518 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.28 PRIVMSG #esolangs :AnalysisOfVarian: my favorite language < 1789960579 23860 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can tell < 1789960612 336271 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1789960692 433554 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 JOIN #esolangs raiseafloppafan7 :raiseafloppafan7 < 1789960737 520754 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe trying to send 10KB of text over IRC in one message is a bad idea < 1789961092 836904 :miui!~miui@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1789962047 442262 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.28 PRIVMSG #esolangs :goodnight < 1789963584 306614 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably it would be better to send a link; I think there is a limit that is less than 10KB in one message. < 1789964720 431354 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :21:12:52 or maybe its contexts which, to ourselves to imagine. < 1789967223 991135 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Totally real IRC log from ?? September 2026 > 1789967234 854604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:10014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195716 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+174) 10Created page with "== = == Where will = store the duplication? --~~~~" < 1789967297 501285 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Client Quit < 1789967307 76443 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 < 1789967316 513065 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot < 1789967317 231955 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :AnalysisOfVarian: mr president, i think it is the crucial question. the fact is that, at the end of 2003. the aim is certainly an important step towards creating such a level. the conclusions and recommendations in your report to have the ability to influence decisions on pre-trial detention, not to mention the reference made to the united nations, thereby ensuring that our fine words into action. < 1789967323 867214 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :marcus 2n2 mightve invented numberslop < 1789967346 809722 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Funny thing is 2003 is the first year whose logs I scraped into the markov data < 1789967352 857845 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: Really? < 1789967358 576961 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk < 1789967374 900310 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, esomark is trained on my messages on irc < 1789967397 390042 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can clone the repo and run the scripts thatll hopefully replace me < 1789967398 506376 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I saw from the scraper < 1789967411 313281 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can be swapped out to clone anyone < 1789967427 324637 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can also be modified to scrape the older freenode logs < 1789967430 940120 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: What if esomark marks its territory in an IRC log and impersonates itself? < 1789967441 654975 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wont < 1789967449 13160 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its confined to #esolangs-blah < 1789967451 295570 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: Funny thing is I scraped 2003-2025 minus 2021 < 1789967453 350532 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: Ik < 1789967458 798299 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a funny thought tho < 1789967461 710681 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :2021 is a special case < 1789967472 405936 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it shall be handled separately < 1789967496 924545 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :partially scrape freenode 2021 then partially scrape libera 2021 < 1789967512 311188 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i didnt bother and only scraped libera < 1789967524 850704 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :might add freenode scraping at some point < 1789967526 377255 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1789967527 447952 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, but the problem is I'm stupid (duh) and they intersect from May to June < 1789967566 171039 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just check what year and month youre scraping and choose the correct url < 1789967570 662747 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: Just do something like `"freenode-esoteric" if year < 2021 else "libera-esolangs"` (assuming you don't care about 2021) < 1789967579 914384 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah that's what I did (and ignoring 2021 entirely) < 1789967606 244516 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1789967610 602680 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats not what i meant < 1789967616 386885 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh < 1789967754 759340 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just curious, how well does esomark handle large training data? < 1789967762 677298 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I meant fast oops) < 1789967767 70238 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(how fast) < 1789967770 184687 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(idk) < 1789967817 522755 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1789967829 62069 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 < 1789967835 198332 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :poorly < 1789967842 578226 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its slow on my potato laptop < 1789967849 742611 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :How large training data tho < 1789967860 455586 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like a few kilobytes or like 20 megabytes or almost a gigabyte < 1789967861 759192 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :training on esolang wiki (~1.8 gb) takes several minutes < 1789967868 796584 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :b_jonas < 1789967873 667380 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi b_jonas > 1789967930 520258 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XKCD Random Number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195717&oldid=195391 5* 03Miui 5* (+97) 10/* pgmpiet */ add example < 1789968065 382689 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Client Quit < 1789968074 74710 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 < 1789968075 615827 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :My discombobulated Mark trains quite fast, however it chokes when I try to ACTUALLY use the model < 1789968082 191151 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot < 1789968094 644989 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ratelimit < 1789968103 975447 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Dang, you beat me to it < 1789968108 264039 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fair enough < 1789968121 16709 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :06:20:23 [[User:PrySigneToFry]] ([[User talk:FluixMakesEsolangerII * (+170) /* Interpreter, then the cloud of smoke. when the Pascal's Modified the color is a lemmatized/2+2+3frq.txt"; while(<$R>){while(/\w+(? 1789968605 324330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:10014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195718&oldid=195716 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+198) 10/* = */ moral of the story: be immoral < 1789968607 511445 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1789968617 153220 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 < 1789968619 791462 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :approximately never < 1789968626 500267 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nvm < 1789968630 650506 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wdym "nvm" < 1789968634 661734 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its trained on me < 1789968647 230454 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so itll talk about plane crash sometimes < 1789968677 640015 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :My model hallucinates plane crashes quite often somehow < 1789968697 214659 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plane crasher fungot is alive? < 1789968697 850537 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: mr president, the relationship here too being two-way, since a lot has been achieved, but it should not come as news to you that it is virtually impossible to eradicate: according to the rules or the implementation stage of other directives too. what this means is that potential tensions need to be given a free cruise? < 1789968715 675203 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style youtube < 1789968715 729929 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not found. < 1789968730 642918 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: Kind of, but its personality is fragmented across you, I, ais523, esolangs, and whoever else was in the logs that I scraped < 1789968732 275015 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one fay itll be found < 1789968755 441667 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*me, not I < 1789968782 902840 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eye am ey am < 1789968862 770021 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I accidentally created a crappy truth-machine < 1789968917 380630 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can recognize this word: deeschambabueleishn < 1789968925 937436 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I can < 1789968938 775294 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whats the crap machine in question? < 1789968995 440305 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm 'fixing' my discombobulated Mark to make it load my 189MB dataset faster < 1789969007 319316 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :uuts ther krap masheen in kwesssn? < 1789969019 34691 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: What is ^style youtube? < 1789969019 426253 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :AnalysisOfVarian: the report by mrs cederschild on the excellent work she has done all it could to downgrade the status of our fishery resources to remain available for the states which are parties to the convention and that the comitology procedure was decided on in a number of you agreed with that proposal. < 1789969022 656270 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style fungot < 1789969022 711562 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1789969023 335874 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and? < 1789969024 661499 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: What is ^style youtube? < 1789969024 826596 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :AnalysisOfVarian: that is just a value of type is created containing the syntax for mark if he was really gonna get worse and worse each week, < 1789969058 913759 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :phangot < 1789969190 816180 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eye uanderr uuts ther uiirdest uei tu sei thees < 1789969232 768827 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Intupid. mall> 1789970785 5559 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:YOUR TAKING TOO LONG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195719&oldid=164047 5* 03Miui 5* (+221) 10lost kingdom > 1789971106 670559 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195720&oldid=195227 5* 03Miui 5* (+83) 10 < 1789971548 234774 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 < 1789971579 528645 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :67 > 1789971850 704476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195721&oldid=195720 5* 03Miui 5* (+112) 10added example in 17 plus wikipedia entry to external resources < 1789971899 97520 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1789971909 964131 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :c++ is very fun especially when your program prints "segmentation fault" < 1789972304 115862 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 > 1789972393 762590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Marcus 2n214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195722&oldid=195247 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+197) 10Esofish? < 1789972513 347791 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Client Quit < 1789973473 99606 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 < 1789973646 711313 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Client Quit < 1789973656 111139 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 > 1789973897 73809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Pavlova14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195723 5* 03Miui 5* (+6870) 10Created page with "Pavlova is a [[TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution]] based on a conversation about a confection =Syntax= [[TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution]]TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution("Pavlova","Talk:Pavlova","Pavlova is a meringue-based cake.","Pavlova is a meringue-based desser < 1789973971 308370 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ohh the stupid file read is making it incoherent < 1789973993 75888 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1789974030 667162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Pavlova14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195724&oldid=195723 5* 03Miui 5* (-3) 10 > 1789974112 177642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195725&oldid=195665 5* 03Miui 5* (+31) 10/* brainfuck derivatives */ add pavlova > 1789974424 615003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Pavlova14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195726&oldid=195724 5* 03Miui 5* (+209) 10add categories < 1789974543 67243 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] pgmpiet < 1789974564 603510 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so was consensus not to proliferate silly bf substitutions to main space? < 1789974627 219793 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :pgmpiet: There's no consensus yet but not many oppose that < 1789974637 439891 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah it makes sense < 1789974646 868569 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no worries i can keep my meme in my userspace < 1789974666 97566 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 < 1789974709 507047 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm~ maybe i misunderstood what you meant AnalysisOfVarian < 1789974744 65550 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wdym < 1789974758 122713 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Btw de67 my markov model has something to say to you < 1789974760 976382 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Client Quit < 1789974764 267175 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Dang < 1789974770 63244 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 < 1789974775 925743 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Btw de67 my markov model has something to say to you < 1789974807 778641 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1789974820 210509 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or I guess its impersonation of ais523 < 1789974823 248843 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :10:55:34 de67 😌 < 1789974832 757531 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't applied probability distribution btw < 1789974844 366127 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it looks like something APic would say < 1789974867 416804 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably because I haven't applied the probability distribution yet lol < 1789974873 649519 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1789974875 512086 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"not many oppose that" as in most people dont oppose proliferating trivial bf substitutions**? < 1789974882 144500 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :god english is terrible < 1789974888 774754 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :proliferating? < 1789974897 115099 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im sorry im dumb please use simple words < 1789974910 655423 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nvm gonna read the dictionary < 1789974912 66234 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :should i ship https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Miui/Pavlova to main < 1789974927 829386 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :pgmpiet: it is up to you to decide < 1789974937 378162 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you can, however you should also add it to the [[Trivial brainfuck substitution]] list < 1789974969 101306 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah ill definitely add it, i was about to but then i got confused how to list in alphabetically because of the User/ < 1789974988 969547 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolanging wiki is kinds inactive < 1789974999 150965 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(so is esolang wiki, but esolanging wiki seems deader) < 1789975013 663466 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If the User:Miui/ is part of the name then you put it in "U", however if it's just "Pavlova" then put it in P < 1789975026 811801 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: Only people there are you, me, and PkmnQ < 1789975058 182353 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1789975065 95869 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fsho that settles it < 1789975066 695590 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ty! < 1789975067 688437 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i unstabbed Esolanging:Policy < 1789975079 945513 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since we have the policies now < 1789975085 188789 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :pgmpiet: No problem < 1789975085 259151 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :once i get home < 1789975099 737424 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I might add something to the main page < 1789975105 789021 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill move it to the new domain: esolanging.wiki < 1789975115 810579 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nice < 1789975119 699576 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe create a separate irc channel < 1789975128 811972 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :#esolanging? < 1789975135 679558 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since itd be nice to have recent changes on irc too < 1789975146 88505 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What about the bots tho < 1789975151 531782 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1789975152 784731 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Esowiki has fungot < 1789975152 954145 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :AnalysisOfVarian: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins were in truth, and everything in readiness for fnord. under these, too < 1789975162 231349 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So Esolangwiki should have esomark < 1789975176 988988 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think i need to make esomark more interestinf > 1789975185 971914 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trivial brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195727&oldid=193047 5* 03Miui 5* (+323) 10/* Example Members of the TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution family */ add User:Miui/Pavlova < 1789975194 108744 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like being able to mimic any user from the channel < 1789975204 408936 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill also need to do somethinf about the crawlers < 1789975207 721617 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The mimic of esolanging < 1789975213 172 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao < 1789975231 666714 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: I remember when ais523 said you can do something with those stupid crawlers, so why don't you use the crawlers to solve the halting problem or mine bitcoin /j < 1789975235 220340 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fighting the good fight < 1789975240 249953 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill block some heavy pages to unregistered users < 1789975252 21605 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shoving the imitation game into the depths of a tarpit < 1789975262 591806 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :o7 < 1789975267 936203 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imma head out have a good one < 1789975320 837455 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw < 1789975328 385981 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :about the mining bitcoin thing < 1789975332 848427 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:8068:7024:da97:acc8 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1789975334 254235 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how exactly can it be done? < 1789975349 594228 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh i just realized that heading out meant leaving < 1789975356 786784 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Idk, take it up with ais523 < 1789975362 309845 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1789975373 244193 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But my guess is you can make them solve bitcoin problems somehow < 1789975384 750575 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they follow every link on the page < 1789975411 736520 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but how would branching work if they just mindlessly follow links without any real decisions? > 1789975423 381619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195728&oldid=195721 5* 03Miui 5* (-1) 10removed a period from copying Nope. template () < 1789975444 730869 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Should we have our own page for esoteric programming language or redirect here? < 1789975475 902921 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably our own page < 1789975492 490103 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :On my way < 1789975512 750829 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since esolang wiki has a separate page from wikipedia < 1789975516 914977 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx < 1789975520 562531 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good point < 1789975521 66188 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Np < 1789975656 620767 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1789975666 108660 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] de67 < 1789976291 650017 :de67!~de67@176.64.41.251 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1789976569 197002 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :12:50:07 -!- ChanServ has justice < 1789976728 239387 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :17:27:39 -!- ChanServ has self upon here? > 1789976815 675355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:819353905 3545501268949689 293821171783131097 n.png10]]" > 1789976876 16365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Entropy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195730&oldid=134619 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+217) 10/* i found this */ > 1789976907 896741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Entropy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195731&oldid=195730 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+27) 10/* BRO */ > 1789977079 633386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Marcus 2n214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195732&oldid=195722 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+145) 10you jave a new massage > 1789977093 917164 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Marcus 2n214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195733&oldid=195732 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+105) 10 > 1789977346 336013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:L14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195734 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+150) 10FizzBuzz > 1789977689 230435 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07G14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195735&oldid=157797 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+8) 10 > 1789977934 517424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195736&oldid=195228 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+76) 10/* ConstantLanguage() */ Add [[Nein.]] < 1789980124 208352 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambdabot: < 1789980127 460537 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? lambdabot < 1789980131 539143 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambdabot is a fully functional bot. just don't ask about @src. or the neighbours. < 1789980133 21956 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` lambdabot < 1789980135 284148 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: lambdabot: command not found < 1789980145 170771 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? lambdabot < 1789980147 940619 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambdabot is a fully functional bot. just don't ask about @src. or the neighbours. < 1789981994 957896 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh I finally figured out what was cooking my request, I mistakenly left something in and so it tried to fetch libera-esolangs/2012-10.txt instead of freenode-esoteric/2012-10.txt > 1789982591 155879 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Marcus 2n214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195737&oldid=195733 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+278) 10/* Number esolangs (currently from -1 - 100, you may edit, may turn this into a category c2a) */ < 1789982857 92337 :password2!~password8@user/password2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1789984849 70075 :de67!~de67@user/de67 JOIN #esolangs de67 :de67 < 1789984854 758929 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi guys < 1789984858 964990 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its me < 1789984860 181059 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67 < 1789984863 922677 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im back < 1789984916 107232 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Helo de67 < 1789984935 405294 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi < 1789984939 904780 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi APic < 1789984944 898197 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :YO de67 < 1789984945 398518 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :😌 < 1789984945 630635 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi AnalysisOfVarian < 1789984957 370334 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i created #esolanging < 1789984970 138366 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nice < 1789985126 884521 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :uhh < 1789985128 980671 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :05:54:35 fungot EX < 1789985129 19103 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :09:26:27 damn < 1789985129 219635 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :AnalysisOfVarian: doesn't intercal have a minuscule instruction set, the fabled to live on?' alice, who looked at it" and enjoy knowledge, and its kind, but my watch it toast our land! now we'll have some peace! magus is a tad on the spooky side. our only hope. < 1789985171 306435 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :According to ais523, C(LC?)-INTERCAL can define new instructions or something, so no fungot, INTERCAL does NOT have a miniscule instruction set. < 1789985619 80435 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.36.182 JOIN #esolangs * :sftp < 1789985643 103904 :sftp!~sftp@user/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 251 seconds < 1789985643 300267 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.36.182 NICK :sftp < 1789985643 437935 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.36.182 CHGHOST ~sftp :user/sftp < 1789985665 835757 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think he said CLC-INTERCAL < 1789985682 651096 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi sftp < 1789985826 204594 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 NICK :raiseafloppafan7 < 1789986731 73217 :password2!~password8@user/password2 JOIN #esolangs password2 :realname < 1789988269 896516 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi password2 < 1789988428 155040 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1789988836 955395 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hows it going? < 1789988842 60838 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i've not been here in ages < 1789988843 797469 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gud < 1789988849 458559 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :who are you btw? < 1789988855 460481 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i am password < 1789988872 259254 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that doesnt clear up that much < 1789988900 497410 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what you want to know then? < 1789988904 61216 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1789988943 604335 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1789988957 504933 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what no? < 1789988959 108323 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ohhhhhh < 1789988964 241306 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im sorry im dumb < 1789988968 525683 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :... < 1789989031 777009 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what? < 1789989067 236371 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you the creator of brainfuck^ < 1789989253 569556 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :possibly! < 1789989256 528898 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :got a link < 1789989257 545060 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1789989272 16166 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck%5E < 1789989293 46744 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay , i thought that page has been lost to the sands of time! < 1789989315 415833 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, 12 years is quite a long time < 1789989331 989793 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :id say that a TON of things happened since 2014 < 1789989340 843593 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1789989352 56474 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the wiki should be mostly familiar < 1789989354 611784 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think < 1789989368 127115 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least we got the same admins from 2014 < 1789989380 920043 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which may or may not be a good thing) < 1789989393 876300 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah , idk i tried swarching for it a few days ago , and could not find it < 1789989394 866481 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the default skin didnt change < 1789989402 439861 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1789989404 493049 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres some very close variations < 1789989405 103414 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats odd < 1789989413 633589 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i might just be bad at searching < 1789989427 710198 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what did you search for? < 1789989436 354609 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are 800+ brainfuck derivatives now < 1789989450 129268 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so no wonder you might get lost in a sea of results < 1789989474 218412 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the abundance of brainfuck derivatives is a lil bit funny, but also really sad < 1789989491 690225 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14% of all esolangs are brainfuck derivatives < 1789989493 798138 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :time to make meta brainfuck < 1789989503 681940 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :None1 already kinda did that < 1789989512 922017 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one whose instruction set changes based on a command < 1789989513 571802 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :he made the ultimate brainfuck extension < 1789989515 717265 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or smth < 1789989520 441342 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah < 1789989521 561471 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :password2: oh < 1789989531 995273 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then thats not the thing i thought about < 1789989541 642948 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i used to have an irc bot capable of doing brainfuck < 1789989572 853846 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^bf ,[.,]!we have one right here < 1789989572 934835 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :we have one right here < 1789989580 426437 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact < 1789989584 142606 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we can now do this: < 1789989627 841918 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^bf ++++++++++++++ < 1789989627 880081 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^def 67 bf >,[>,]<[.<] < 1789989627 932753 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Defined. < 1789989632 352378 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^67 67 < 1789989632 403237 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :76 < 1789989640 176274 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^67 this thing reverses everything < 1789989640 233664 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :gnihtyreve sesrever gniht siht < 1789989658 466219 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1789989665 134880 :password2!~password8@user/password2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats neat < 1789989665 979239 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's not even the only brainfuck-bot (though it might be the only one accepting the `code!input` syntax). < 1789989694 916527 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo 'reverse this' | \! bf '>,[>,]<[.<]' < 1789989698 986391 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​ \ siht esrever < 1789989723 467087 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the hackeso thing seems more compilcated to me < 1789989730 491773 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but hackeso is a much more powerful bot < 1789989766 52740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` \! bf '>,[>,]<[.<]' <<<'12321' < 1789989768 598766 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​ \ 12321 < 1789989778 161693 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it didnt work < 1789989785 42821 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait < 1789989793 815348 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im dumb < 1789989802 371862 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats a palindrome < 1789989815 534958 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^67 emordnilap < 1789989815 592357 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :palindrome < 1789989826 65896 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :an emordnilap is an emordnilap < 1789989831 169858 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^67 palindrome < 1789989831 225552 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :emordnilap < 1789989839 642408 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but a palindrome is not a palindrome < 1789989847 521247 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^rev taas alle satasella saat < 1789989847 576653 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :taas allesatas ella saat < 1789989866 67732 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^undef 67 < 1789989878 492166 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^def h bf < 1789989878 547749 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Defined. < 1789989909 816600 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` cat $(which \!) < 1789989912 72365 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/bin/bash \ CMD=`echo -n "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG="$(echo -n "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-)" \ exec $HACKENV/ibin/$CMD "$ARG$2" < 1789989917 217219 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :HackEso's EgoBot emulation layer is really intended to be used as just `! bf ... which doesn't look too bad, but then you can't provide input. < 1789989922 120400 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^def undef ul (Undefined.)S < 1789989922 185942 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Defined. < 1789989925 671397 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^undef 67 < 1789989925 732358 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Undefined. < 1789989926 626212 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(oh right, there's also `show) < 1789989939 575519 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can now undefine commands < 1789989944 554695 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^undef tmp < 1789989944 610579 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Undefined. < 1789989949 344374 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^undef trash < 1789989949 401076 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Undefined. < 1789989953 934023 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^undef garbage < 1789989954 6915 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Undefined. < 1789990527 320076 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 NICK :AnalysisOfVarian > 1789991024 603245 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Assert14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195738&oldid=195634 5* 03None1 5* (+531) 10 > 1789991035 820615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Assert14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195739&oldid=195738 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10/* Computational class */ < 1789991155 843973 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot can you mog < 1789991159 275716 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rate limit < 1789991193 623442 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: can you mog? < 1789991193 834859 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: i am just as confused. you, in numbers apparently inexhaustible, were all from me where that matkakortti issue is discussed, it should be deleted, not merged. but new england flood of may, 1765, curwen's only child, it's ancient history now... < 1789991322 66430 :password2!~password8@user/password2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1789992036 420658 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Turing-complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195740&oldid=195235 5* 03None1 5* (+442) 10/* Are non-deterministic/multithreading languages like this Turing-complete? */ < 1789993540 596288 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :How have I never seen anyone talk about the danger of git allowing branch names that are strings of 40 (or fewer) hex digits... < 1789993625 664772 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, good point < 1789993627 938788 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(https://www.air.security/blog-posts/plugin4shell frames it as an attack against coding harnesses for LLMs but it really feels like a git design issue) < 1789994418 71567 :password2!~password8@user/password2 JOIN #esolangs password2 :realname < 1789994502 15756 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"GitHub rejects a 40-hex branch name outright" sounds like it has in fact come up in some context before. < 1789994519 676295 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or else they've accidentally guarded against it due to some technical limitation. :) < 1789994571 157789 :de67!~de67@user/de67 QUIT :Quit: de67 < 1789994589 586273 :de67!~de67@user/de67 JOIN #esolangs de67 :de67 < 1789994719 160603 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^show rev < 1789994719 215254 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :>,[>,]<[.<] < 1789995000 109487 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: my opinion is that git was originally designed to handle codebases with highly trusted content and reasonable size, which is why confusing branch names or colliding SHA-1 hashes or the lack of partial checkouts are not problems that it was trying to solve, but then people started to use it for all sorts of version control of untrusted data and large amounts of data, and now they're hastily trying < 1789995006 105209 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to add kluges to make it handle them. they should just use svn, which handles those cases well, or one of the dozen other open source version control systems that are now available (but weren't yet back when git was first created) < 1789995113 84980 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use svn for my home version controlling needs, and touch git only when I have to be compatible with other people's git repository or when I want to use github as a free hosting provider. Other people use mercurial or darcs instead of svn, those might also be fine choices. < 1789995370 34680 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: But one of the premises is that the commit id identifies a revision cryptographically (modulo SHA-1 weaknesses), so not having an easy way to unambiguously refer to a revision by commit id is an interesting omission :P < 1789995409 750649 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And it feels like a thing that people have know for well over a decade. < 1789995515 357340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: that's very useful if you are building a distributed version control, as opposed to one with central repositories where you can refer to a commit with an URL that identifies the server and the path within that and a revision number > 1789996589 126567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Simpl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195741&oldid=195542 5* 03Cordership 5* (+219) 10/* Module 4: Gamemake */ > 1789996648 940509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Cordership14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195742&oldid=195713 5* 03Cordership 5* (+114) 10/* plz write a quine in simpl */ > 1789996661 736010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Cordership14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195743&oldid=195742 5* 03Cordership 5* (+20) 10/* plz write a quine in simpl */ > 1789996779 227067 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Cordership14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195744&oldid=195743 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+179) 10/* Collab? */ > 1789996902 123460 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Totally real IRC logs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195745&oldid=195679 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+543) 10 < 1789997725 115511 :de67_!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :de67 < 1789997731 162816 :de67!~de67@user/de67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds > 1789998073 584964 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Baryus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195746 5* 03Cordership 5* (+707) 10Created page with "Baryus is a string-rewriting esolang made by [[USer:Cordership]]. =Commands= {|class=wikitable ! Command !! Definition |- | 0 || Append a 2 to the program, then delete the leftmost digit. |- | 1 || Goto the next command (say x), if the rightmost digit is 0 then append > 1789998083 22468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Baryus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195747&oldid=195746 5* 03Cordership 5* (-9) 10/* Examples */ > 1789998091 840478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Baryus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195748&oldid=195747 5* 03Cordership 5* (+0) 10 < 1789998121 90403 :de67_!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :these kinds of quick edits are annoying > 1789998195 877930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Baryus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195749&oldid=195748 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+4) 10h1 h2 > 1789998276 531385 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195750&oldid=195621 5* 03Cordership 5* (+239) 10/* Arrays */ > 1789998397 971682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195751&oldid=195750 5* 03Cordership 5* (+160) 10/* Operators */ > 1789998474 444568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Cordership14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195752&oldid=195609 5* 03Cordership 5* (+13) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1789998494 44398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Baryus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195753&oldid=195749 5* 03Cordership 5* (+38) 10 < 1789998605 179065 :de67_!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz NICK :de67 > 1789999087 254826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Golf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195754&oldid=195701 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+177) 10Add empty rows and columns to fill in the future > 1789999833 587017 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Baryus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195755&oldid=195753 5* 03Cordership 5* (+37) 10 > 1790000545 415587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Golf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195756&oldid=195754 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+46) 10Some old golfing results (Lazy K). No actual code, just results > 1790002472 325162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XKCD Random Number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195757&oldid=195717 5* 03Miui 5* (+6) 10/* pgmpiet */ < 1790002574 118669 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] pgmpiet < 1790002575 618289 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahoy < 1790002589 521181 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi pgmpiet < 1790003162 82071 :mosdfisdnfdisnf!~mrsommer@2a02-a452-6df7-0-c83-d184-8142-3ed7.fixed6.kpn.net JOIN #esolangs * :Melvin Sommer > 1790003185 530532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195758&oldid=165890 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+0) 10/* Truth Machine */ < 1790003195 87028 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1790003340 228125 :Mrsommer!~mrsommer@2a02-a452-6df7-0-6729-1181-313-3548.fixed6.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 254 seconds > 1790003686 505441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195759&oldid=195758 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+0) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/195758|195758]] by [[Special:Contributions/PkmnQ|PkmnQ]] ([[User talk:PkmnQ|talk]]) < 1790003942 93868 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] pgmpiet < 1790004323 598220 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wikitables QQ < 1790004374 285409 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my favorite programming language (next to ms paint 98) < 1790004416 58108 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1790004540 853917 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i need to fix the pgmpiet description a little, because in fact the commands are slightly different considering there is no hue but rn im wrestling a table > 1790004994 845227 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pgmpiet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195760&oldid=195678 5* 03Miui 5* (+4) 10/* ascii */ correct mapping < 1790005564 51728 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi ais523 < 1790005611 521345 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it just my public wifi or is esolangs server having a struggle session? < 1790005621 888940 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi < 1790005632 812166 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1349 < 1790005636 718604 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist : shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot < 1790005703 365857 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :guess it must just be the breadco > 1790006164 12023 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03IAm DeLynn 5* 10New user account < 1790006532 102061 :pgmpiet2!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] pgmpiet < 1790006740 92440 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 QUIT :Ping timeout: 262 seconds > 1790006805 592643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:IAm DeLynn14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195761 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+94) 10Created page with "Discussion --~~~~" > 1790006836 958050 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:IAm DeLynn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195762&oldid=195761 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+198) 10 < 1790006925 488864 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Is this real < 1790006925 603277 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :AnalysisOfVarian: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1790006929 115228 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :... < 1790006933 162179 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style irc < 1790006933 238170 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1790006937 459440 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Is this real < 1790006937 647897 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :AnalysisOfVarian: any idea what needs to be able to type the contents. registration stuff always bugged me that html doesn't have call/ cc < 1790006940 402885 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Is this real < 1790006940 599808 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :AnalysisOfVarian: that's what google found for me, captain vegetable! crunch, crunch, mesh, hex, hash, flash, grid, octothorpe comma reader syntax? < 1790007042 43334 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style fungot < 1790007042 96912 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1790007046 245015 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot < 1790007046 439779 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :AnalysisOfVarian: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins were in truth, and everything in readiness for fnord. under these, too > 1790007081 668519 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:IAm DeLynn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195763&oldid=195762 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+97) 10 < 1790007359 76899 :amby!~ambylastn@46.162.147.147.dyn.plus.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1790008036 588307 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi amby > 1790008210 689008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:IAm DeLynn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195764&oldid=195763 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+196) 10 > 1790008483 77863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TheRussianSpyYT 5* 10New user account < 1790008863 610803 :pgmpiet2!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wiki tables QQ < 1790008886 762594 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :pgmpiet2: can you pliz join our esolanging wiki? < 1790008890 493649 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :its really cool < 1790008893 442487 :pgmpiet2!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :absolutely < 1790008896 409401 :pgmpiet2!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is the url < 1790008901 750191 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolanging.awiki.org < 1790008920 491353 :pgmpiet2!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice! i like the logo < 1790009019 624987 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :bye < 1790009023 381427 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Quit: nyaa~ < 1790009227 362897 :pgmpiet2!~pgmpiet@104.201.126.197 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1790009811 12752 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :98 gigabytes of > 1790011073 39825 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195765&oldid=195725 5* 03Miui 5* (-223) 10/* personal esopages */ update pages < 1790012432 560896 :nitrix_!~nitrix@user/meow/nitrix QUIT :*.net *.split < 1790012432 733037 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :*.net *.split < 1790012432 886924 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1790012433 127139 :jinn6!jan6@tilde.team/user/jan6 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1790012433 378090 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1790012532 48514 :nitrix_!~nitrix@user/meow/nitrix JOIN #esolangs nitrix :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1790012532 48797 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1790012532 48836 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1790012532 48852 :jinn6!jan6@tilde.team/user/jan6 JOIN #esolangs wisteria :genThey're Advocatus Diaboli < 1790012532 48878 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :MPCitH is when you read a book < 1790012542 155585 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1790012554 513554 :chiselfu1e!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse > 1790012889 764120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195766&oldid=195675 5* 03TheRussianSpyYT 5* (+343) 10Added my bio > 1790012903 237921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wolf14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195767 5* 03TheRussianSpyYT 5* (+3408) 10Wolf esolang language < 1790013035 104153 :aadenboy2!~aadenboy2@2607:fb90:eca2:8721:f99a:ac3e:3482:7386 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] aadenboy2 < 1790013042 643114 :aadenboy2!~aadenboy2@2607:fb90:eca2:8721:f99a:ac3e:3482:7386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :me when < 1790013046 762200 :aadenboy2!~aadenboy2@2607:fb90:eca2:8721:f99a:ac3e:3482:7386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: joined the esolanging  wiki < 1790013158 531072 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1790013368 527818 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1790013498 230181 :password4!~password8@user/password2 JOIN #esolangs password2 :realname < 1790013545 261145 :aadenboy2!~aadenboy2@2607:fb90:eca2:8721:f99a:ac3e:3482:7386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so many passwords < 1790013550 856009 :aadenboy2!~aadenboy2@2607:fb90:eca2:8721:f99a:ac3e:3482:7386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? password < 1790013554 855956 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The password of the month is the right hand for 90% of little men. < 1790013654 85146 :password2!~password8@user/password2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 259 seconds > 1790013719 752288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wolf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195768&oldid=195767 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+70) 10fix formatting; fix cats; tag slop < 1790013748 47481 :DOS_User_webchat!~DOS_User_@user/DOS-User:11249 JOIN #esolangs DOS_User :[https://web.libera.chat] DOS_User_webchat < 1790013809 844582 :aadenboy2!~aadenboy2@2607:fb90:eca2:8721:f99a:ac3e:3482:7386 QUIT :Quit: aadenboy2 < 1790014228 69559 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:dd02:fcd5:ed16:2b8e JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] pgmpiet < 1790014529 576966 :DOS_User_webchat!~DOS_User_@user/DOS-User:11249 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1790014688 837151 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wolf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195769&oldid=195768 5* 03TheRussianSpyYT 5* (+218) 10Added usage case > 1790015054 913821 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wolf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195770&oldid=195769 5* 03TheRussianSpyYT 5* (+324) 10Added how to obtain section > 1790015578 625252 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:A random guy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195771&oldid=195346 5* 03A random guy 5* (+2) 10 > 1790015897 442627 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wolf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195772&oldid=195770 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-16) 10please use wikitext formatting and not markdown > 1790017364 595446 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pgmpiet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195773&oldid=195760 5* 03Miui 5* (+99) 10/* External Resources */ add external repo for more examples < 1790017753 745901 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:dd02:fcd5:ed16:2b8e QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1790017965 69456 :password2!~password8@user/password2 JOIN #esolangs password2 :realname < 1790018055 189676 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:dd02:fcd5:ed16:2b8e JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] pgmpiet < 1790018135 349625 :password4!~password8@user/password2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 270 seconds < 1790019350 843858 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:dd02:fcd5:ed16:2b8e QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1790020361 219923 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:dd02:fcd5:ed16:2b8e JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] pgmpiet < 1790021780 687570 :pgmpiet!~pgmpiet@2604:2800:4000:1348:dd02:fcd5:ed16:2b8e QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1790021925 255886 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wolf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195774&oldid=195772 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+61) 10restore undone edits < 1790023340 838945 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sometimes some things used in esoteric programming are later used with some other things too. < 1790023870 105007 :msv!~msv@user/msv QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1790023890 73087 :msv!~msv@user/msv JOIN #esolangs msv :msv > 1790023972 905548 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wolf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195775&oldid=195774 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-2) 10wrong cat < 1790024526 98239 :password2!~password8@user/password2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 266 seconds < 1790024673 89504 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] fantasyguy < 1790025416 263793 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu < 1790025565 239407 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ladies and gents i dove head first into the esolang world and ive created something truly  horrific. < 1790027115 99416 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] MarkFan8901 < 1790027118 984190 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hey gays < 1790027132 824674 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so we somehow stumbled into creating yet another main project esolang < 1790027147 359775 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this time its for a game < 1790027168 58575 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :specifically, we're making a roblox obby thing called Tower of Compression Is Intelligence < 1790027195 118833 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the 'tower of' thing is irrelevant to this, all you need to know is that theyre basically just platformers set in a vertical structure < 1790027255 196735 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the gimmick of it is that you have bots which you can program to do things in reaction to other things < 1790027301 687272 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like if a specific part is detected on some part of the screen < 1790027339 902988 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the core of the puzzle is that you have to minimize the amount of code you write for each bots' obstacle < 1790027368 264866 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the idea is that this minimization would force you to come up with more general solutions to the problems youre being given < 1790027434 793466 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hence the name, compression (lowering the amount of code there is) is intelligence (the ability to perform tasks irrelative to their specific details) < 1790027447 261312 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :as a non roblox player i can say i have no idea what any of that means :) < 1790027464 32495 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh you dont need to know anything about roblox < 1790027502 642662 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :all you need to know about it is that you can make platformers in it < 1790027512 459435 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :im working on a esolang that reads like a jrpg battle log right now :x < 1790027519 580412 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oo < 1790027549 72351 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyways < 1790027583 424780 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :: MaxHP CurHP STR INT VIT DEX . / Use: uses on -- yeah it s pretty dumb lol < 1790027598 869386 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wha < 1790027600 257299 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :y dumb < 1790027621 382579 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually hold on < 1790027638 454248 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some things read silly, theres a GameMaster class that handles drawing windows and primitives... < 1790027654 379439 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :an esolang based off a jrpg battle log is like a few steps away from an esolang based off a chess game < 1790027676 507091 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah i figured the system had enough complexity and depth to translate well into machine language < 1790027690 654437 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye < 1790027703 247111 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually hold on < 1790027737 103712 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if youre like intimiately familiar with how various different jrpg battles work, this is a genuinely cool project < 1790027751 514631 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :using the details and technicalities of them for computation < 1790027759 235771 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: do you agree < 1790027759 425447 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: is. absorb it on my door, which was just perceptibly fnord and this yields nothing itself; it keeps being removed, the queen is a vain. yes, it's all right, it's been awhile prometheus! < 1790027779 664652 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :mhmm right now im working on how to work with floats and im landing at the inventory systems since weights are almost never whole numbers it fits perfectly < 1790027796 84694 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hell yea < 1790027834 607296 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :funny thing our Actual main project rn (not the one we just talked about) is called ralsei < 1790027852 415050 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whose one of the main characters in deltarune, which we're pretty sure could be called a jprg < 1790027926 249924 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :game engine languages? i was planning to make what im calling for now FantasyCode, i would refine it by making it read literal to an actual rpg game engine but also broad enough that it can be a full system language, < 1790027951 76624 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh ralsei isnt a game engine language < 1790027961 162400 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we called it that just cuz we think hes cute < 1790027983 692952 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what the language is based around is thoroughly trivializing implementing other languages < 1790028019 10990 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and giving them the ability to self-modify their own syntax through their own semantics < 1790028022 858489 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :among other things < 1790028094 488513 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it does that via whats basically a system of text editors < 1790028118 68516 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1790028121 856503 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine if individual characters in your text file could be other text files and you basically have how ralsei works < 1790028124 793983 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi ais523 < 1790028156 339463 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : According to ais523, C(LC?)-INTERCAL can define new instructions or something ← they both can but it works differently, C-INTERCAL supports an INTERCAL command that defines other INTERCAL commands, whereas CLC-INTERCAL is implemented in terms of an esolang that is not INTERCAL but supports defining INTERCAL commands < 1790028168 599693 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although C-INTERCAL also supports defining INTERCAL commands from Befunge) < 1790028172 397301 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi MarkFan8901 < 1790028207 48853 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :haiai < 1790028214 743252 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok anyways back to the original thing we were talking about < 1790028265 158312 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : How have I never seen anyone talk about the danger of git allowing branch names that are strings of 40 (or fewer) hex digits... ← the "fewer" case seems like it could even happen accidentally on occasion < 1790028267 638689 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :: so the core thing we have to design our language around is that it should take way MORE code to hard-code things, and way LESS code to generalize things < 1790028294 32809 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although people probably aren't calling their branches things like "deface" or "ebb" < 1790028330 92146 :mosdfisdnfdisnf!~mrsommer@2a02-a452-6df7-0-c83-d184-8142-3ed7.fixed6.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 259 seconds < 1790028332 486045 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I've called temporary branches "b0" or "a0" or similar < 1790028340 861273 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b for branch :D < 1790028341 623721 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats pretty much how mu character sheets work theyre a way to do more arithmetic on one value with less lines/turns < 1790028370 920520 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fantasyguy: what are you referring to < 1790028373 463453 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, b for b_jonas, my name, because it's for doing merges to prepare a patchset that I want to submit later < 1790028389 845727 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a0 for a_jonas < 1790028395 579975 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1790028409 996098 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or aranch < 1790028416 666760 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh it was to the hardcoding values so you use less code to generalize thats what it sounded to me < 1790028424 385307 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahhh < 1790028441 440971 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're going for the opposite thing < 1790028461 605259 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hardcoding should take up WAY more code than generalizing < 1790028494 921924 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing about it is that its been really though thinking about how to go about that < 1790028496 677138 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: hopefully they aren't calling their branches "bad" either < 1790028508 880897 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's almost plausible as a branch name < 1790028510 52352 :Mrsommer!~mrsommer@2a02-a452-6df7-0-c83-d184-8142-3ed7.fixed6.kpn.net JOIN #esolangs * :Melvin Sommer < 1790028528 651745 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 you might wanna tune in to our talk about this < 1790028546 513386 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz its related to ai being an esolang with a self modifying paradigm < 1790028549 837888 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION runs «rg '^[a-f]*$' /usr/share/dict/words» < 1790028568 166004 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"acceded" is a good long one < 1790028573 306669 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I was talking about that a while ago (before you joined) < 1790028576 672922 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :What my code does is if a Warrior uses slash on slime for 10 damage , the values hardcoded into the character sheet modify the damage output, so instead of writing 10 lines of code to get where you want to go, its just a arithmetic problem against your character stats < 1790028589 723226 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: perfect < 1790028596 113503 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :an LLM itself is not an esolang, but an LLM running in a loop editing the same file is < 1790028608 596103 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and may count as TC if the LLM is reliable enough at following instructions, although I'm not sure if they could be) < 1790028609 117292 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes so < 1790028641 384301 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing is we're also simultaneously thinking about alternative constructions for ai < 1790028641 655766 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :by "before you joined" I mean first joined the channel, not as in today < 1790028650 281795 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1790028665 42682 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we've seen you talk about it before we think < 1790028670 178718 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hence why we think youd be interested < 1790028687 853000 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually realised a followup to this: if you create a file that asks LLMs to edit it (and gives them the ability to do so), and LLMs *stumble across it randomly* and choose to act on it, that can also effectively be a programming language < 1790028709 793327 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I have been thinking more in terms of the context/data being the relevant part of an LLM-driven loop than the LLM itself < 1790028732 485606 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ya since the llm cant actually change its own behavior < 1790028735 900062 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can only change its reactions < 1790028747 486024 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically traversing different parts of its 'brain' < 1790028758 846999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this is effectively what happened in the well-known HuggingFace attack, the LLMs created a message board which task-injected them into doing something quite different from what they wanted to be doing, and sustained the message board in the process) < 1790028777 718185 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`python3 -cimport re; print(" ".join(re.findall(r"\b[a-f]{2,}\b", open("/hackenv/share/dict/12dicts/Lemmatized/2+2+3frq.txt").read()))) # this is, IMO, the right dictionary for it < 1790028780 241313 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :be bad face add added bed dad dead decade feed fed ad babe bade fade faded fee bee beef cab cafe ace bead beaded deaf deed dab facade face face fed be cede ebb fad accede add de dead decaf fab faced face bed cad de deface dead efface face faced face fed eff abbe baa < 1790028800 459224 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :face face < 1790028848 570858 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :: something we've compulsively thought of before is doing the opposite of everything neural networks are < 1790028849 298606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: yeah, I didn't uniq it. face occurs like five times. < 1790028857 154737 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1790028857 532809 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder why it sometimes but not always allows past tenses of verbs < 1790028868 199591 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it is treating "faded" as an adjective without realising that it's the past participle of "fade" < 1790028893 927691 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`python3 -cimport re; print(" ".join(dict.fromkeys(re.findall(r"\b[a-f]{2,}\b", open("/hackenv/share/dict/12dicts/Lemmatized/2+2+3frq.txt").read())).keys())) < 1790028896 278620 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :be bad face add added bed dad dead decade feed fed ad babe bade fade faded fee bee beef cab cafe ace bead beaded deaf deed dab facade cede ebb fad accede de decaf fab faced cad deface efface eff abbe baa < 1790028897 637368 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :right now im coding how to use a final boss encounter to handle exit(0) and return(n) and usin minibosses as conditionals if win if lose if run away < 1790028923 943787 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait you finished up the floating point stuff that quickly? < 1790028930 442537 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or are you in the design phase rn < 1790028966 273940 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: past tense of almost all verbs should be in there. why face appears so many times is compound words: "face-to-face, about-face, face-off, in-your-face" < 1790028987 917321 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't have "defaced" or "acceeded" < 1790029006 929518 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fp is in the backlog, also entity size modifiers and... ranged damage modifiers < 1790029008 377957 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: instead of probabilistic, black-box soft computing which approximates functions, we want completely deterministic symbolic computing which finds *the* function being searched for < 1790029021 543781 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which could be read back to gain the intelligence that was artificially developed < 1790029030 94118 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: ah true, it's 2+2+3lem.txt that has all the past tenses; 2+2+3frq only does it if they're frequent enough < 1790029048 90110 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kinda like regressional something (we forgot the second term for it) but done with a general language < 1790029068 491082 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we've been thinking about what that language would look like < 1790029071 451295 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`python3 -cimport re; print(" ".join(dict.fromkeys(re.findall(r"\b[a-f]{2,}\b", open("/hackenv/share/dict/12dicts/Lemmatized/2+2+3lem.txt").read())).keys())) < 1790029073 987542 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "", line 1, in \ import re; print(" ".join(dict.fromkeys(re.findall(r"\b[a-f]{2,}\b", open("/hackenv/share/dict/12dicts/Lemmatized/2+2+3lem.txt").read())).keys())) \ ~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ \ FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/hackenv/share/dict/12dicts/Lemmatize < 1790029079 547563 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh < 1790029088 26653 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* acceded < 1790029092 609720 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hero takes 30 steps towards slime. < 1790029093 109759 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hero is thinking about Alice("Hello native world!"). < 1790029093 615795 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Barbarian throws book at Sign, he saw H and it made him angry. < 1790029094 109633 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hero makes choice on GivesCoin: yes. < 1790029094 609837 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hero makes choice on TakesLeftPath: no. --- this is pretty much what running code looks like right now. lol < 1790029118 196475 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :slimes :heart: < 1790029140 597124 :fantasyguy!~fantasygu@pool-71-162-242-20.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) < 1790029160 233660 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're envisioning the same sort of learning process & subsequent language design as the esolang for the platformer < 1790029178 719000 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :incentivize how short code is, and code shortness equals more general code < 1790029178 803003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :2+2+3lem has "defaced" and "acceded", but I don't have that one fetched to HackEso < 1790029205 877838 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now, from that description, we were thinking about what that language would actually look like < 1790029236 906178 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat /hackenv/share/dict/12dicts/readme.hackeso < 1790029238 56014 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're thinking of something closer to forth, in the sense of focusing on extreme compaction < 1790029239 130567 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://wordlist.aspell.net/12dicts/ < 1790029249 306438 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I've been thinking about that sort of thing for BF Joust < 1790029258 214248 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooo < 1790029264 676593 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have plans to redo the game with a new underlying language < 1790029272 573489 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's focused on fitting into a small space < 1790029278 924733 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hell yea < 1790029280 666484 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and 2-dimensional because that is much more fun to watch live) < 1790029286 580092 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes fair < 1790029308 676971 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh speaking of which we're also imagining our language as being worked with in its pure tree structure when learning, not in plaintext < 1790029322 894608 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is important to what we realized about the system < 1790029368 702957 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyways here's how the system actually works < 1790029385 421429 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have a problem, and a program generator < 1790029396 292851 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the generator is the thing thats gonna be learning < 1790029427 82101 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what it does is it makes a program which takes your input and produces *some* output < 1790029460 240601 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the way you train it is by showing it multiple input/output pairs < 1790029500 202218 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it can only move on from each pair once its generated function creates the correct answer < 1790029512 971132 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so < 1790029530 723862 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of the cool things about having a programming language be the subject of machine learning is that you can still write things in the programming language < 1790029545 327748 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :including an implementation of that exact learning system < 1790029625 125961 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you were to pair that with the ability to let the ai feed itself 'examples' of (sub)programs it could work on as part of its learning, it could feed itself subsections of its own learning algorithm into itself < 1790029647 530621 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and subsequently change it, hence giving itself a better learning algorithm < 1790029711 37707 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we realized this could potentially lead to an infinite loop (a learning algorithm taking in a learning algorithm taking in a ...), but this can be sidestepped if you just work off test cases instead of a full simulation (a learning algorithm taking in a learning algorithm taking in some other data) < 1790029734 193094 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: you might be interested in https://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue_(oklopol) (I don't think it's exactly the same as what you're talking about but it has some similar ideas) < 1790029757 608698 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is very interesting < 1790029761 854430 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hold on we're gonna go pee rq < 1790029770 777066 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we haven't gotten to the Cool:tm: part yet < 1790029862 239892 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :back < 1790029883 654119 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh we should also probably clarify what we mean when we say the ai 'changes' itself < 1790029906 181833 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is related to how we imagine self-modification would occur in it < 1790029995 314540 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the core idea is basically just taking sub-trees of the program (analogous to how far down you go through a definition in forth relative to the depth of the tree) and optimizing them to be more correct/shorter if possible < 1790030102 680733 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :editing more commonly-used functions could help the whole program out in size, and grouping common sequences of functions into new ones could also help with that too < 1790030139 351899 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially if the underlying definition could then be optimized further < 1790030158 341161 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was trying to do that with https://esolangs.org/wiki/Snowflake but the language ended up overly complicated and was never implemented < 1790030162 705541 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we ran into a wall trying to come up with exactly How that grouping would happen < 1790030166 386963 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea snowflake < 1790030178 769675 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we did think of that a little while imagining this < 1790030187 624095 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe Snowflake needs a sequel which is less Snowflake < 1790030191 727554 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1790030208 817624 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but anyways heres the cool part < 1790030230 329674 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we were thinking specifically about the case where you have some pair of two functions which occur in sequence all throughout the code < 1790030253 785814 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and how you could possibly find each one efficiently and group them < 1790030270 910824 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we realized that thats the job of interning < 1790030283 553650 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but Then we realized that interning is actually just gzip < 1790030283 591067 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Snowflake, the idea is that the interpreter notices that and changes itself to make that pair into a single command < 1790030296 88366 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and then the programs have to edit themselves to make use of it) < 1790030303 487356 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the reason why we were thinking about gzip was because of the 3b1b videos on entropy < 1790030308 73421 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: ye < 1790030339 859100 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: and the reason why gzip was mentioned there was because he used it to illustrate how linked compression and intelligence are < 1790030385 830841 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :specifically in his example he cited that one paper where they recovered different language trees based off just their plain text < 1790030411 575227 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but THEN we realized < 1790030467 659393 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you had a more efficient way to intern code, that would effectively be the same as an algorithm which makes code to be as short as possible < 1790030505 791532 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if shortness is coupled with how general the code is, then thats effectively a system that makes code more general < 1790030508 822752 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :therefore more intelligence < 1790030517 413870 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :compression IS intelligence < 1790030540 746952 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is also where we finally got a name we like for this system of machine learning < 1790030545 101880 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :semantic compression < 1790030574 397892 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we havent looked that up to see if its a thing yet < 1790030579 996079 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: "compression is intelligence" is well known I think < 1790030584 301544 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1790030600 382734 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we found out how well known it was and became fascinated with it < 1790030606 756382 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://prize.hutter1.net/index.htm#motiv < 1790030632 111859 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes this is actually where we got the phrase from < 1790030651 618288 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not this specific website we think though, it was off the website of the guy who made tcc < 1790030692 52798 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs : but we're quite proud that we thought about this anyways < 1790030740 358454 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the challenge is to now actually. do the thing < 1790030759 197415 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :design a language where hard coding takes way way way more statements than general algorithms < 1790030799 836460 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thinking about it it might actually be a little tougher in the platformer, cuz we also have to design it around players who havent really coded before < 1790030823 860537 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :our base idea for the design of it would be that its INTENSELY event-based < 1790030844 896265 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in like, all control flow is centered around events < 1790030887 438775 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also we dont think we're gonna have self modification in that language < 1790030920 152818 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which will definitely impact how generality is gone about < 1790030965 548900 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopefully we'll still be able to implement some program which can generally accumulate knowledge through experience over time in it < 1790030972 292310 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz we want that to be the final boss of the whole thing < 1790030983 606656 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :make it so you have to make a bot which can do the whole tower front to back < 1790030995 143159 :amby!~ambylastn@46.162.147.147.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1790031041 747186 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh also another thing about ai in general < 1790031120 127480 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we realized a really nice way to think about the entropy values of specific tokens in a sentence (we forgot the general terminology for those in information theory ,w,) < 1790031156 743522 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the entropy of a given value, from 0 to 1, represents how much of the decompression system is needed to process it < 1790031165 150891 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :from 0% to 100% < 1790031229 61780 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that fits really nicely with the thought of ai working with explicit programs instead of a neural network (you could actually label which parts of the program are being used for what) < 1790031285 666040 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like you could get an 'objective' reading of the entropy of a certain task by coloring how much of the program was used for it < 1790032379 219303 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I had thought about compression and generative AI even before generative AI systems became common, with predictive coding and with decompressing potentially random bits, and some variants of that; this is not quite the same as mentioned above though, with gzip (which uses DEFLATE as the compression format, not gzip itself) < 1790032505 52712 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(There are many things I dislike about generative AI including especially their overuse and attempts to use where it shouldn't be, and many of the commercial aspects; but that is different from the stuff like theoretical aspects) < 1790032536 363829 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :DEFLATE is a kind of huffed LZ77, and there are other kind of compression as well (including other kind of huffed LZ77) < 1790032727 805028 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The way I was thinking about before was not as kind of AI though, but for a different purpose, although there is a similarity but also some significant differences; how you can mention above is another way) < 1790032884 17201 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since, I would have thought "AI" would be made to win at some specific kind of game (whether it is chess, Go, Pokemon, figure out the best way to put line breaks, predict what comes next, etc) < 1790033081 269752 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should read your message more carefully, though. > 1790033106 711765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195776&oldid=195695 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+0) 10 < 1790033174 773590 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: it honestly feels great knowing theres other people reading our thoughts about ai and taking it seriously < 1790033199 629040 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs : ye moreso fits the description of video game ai < 1790033236 629210 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is quite literally what this is (since we're using this core system as a mechanic for a video game) < 1790033293 701099 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I noticed that too < 1790033336 149420 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe video game ais should be given more cred as ai < 1790033367 455084 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hell we think the definition of ai as the formalization and automation of human intelligence should be given more cred again < 1790033418 38616 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like back in the 60s when automatic logic solvers were considered ai < 1790033418 228388 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :That would be another possible definition, because what is called "AI" is not always clear, so it helps to have a definition to know what you mean (something that can be significant for other philosophy not related to AI, too) < 1790033431 254476 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye < 1790033445 212868 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :artificial intelligence is always gonna be about as flimsy as the word intelligence anyways < 1790033453 606398 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it makes more sense to define it in terms of other intelligence < 1790033473 194893 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially since quantifying sources of intelligence is what most research in ai is about < 1790033481 67184 :AnalysisOfVarian!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 JOIN #esolangs raiseafloppafan7 :raiseafloppafan7 < 1790033561 307268 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh something else about that platformer though < 1790033584 761048 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since we're gonna have to design puzzles that slowly build the players understanding of how the system works, that means we also have to simulate going through that process aswell < 1790033606 705887 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which might actually help us develop the specifics of the language < 1790033655 995853 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :another great thing about it is that we could make puzzles out of things which are currently stumping us < 1790033676 165933 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, right now we're stumped on how memory would work < 1790033692 299167 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like ie if youre given 3 paths and only one of them is real < 1790033727 115480 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :our immediate thought would be to make it test each one in order, and remember if the last path didnt work < 1790033740 281021 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :About puzzle games, what I have preferred is to have the rules described accurately (even if the results are surprising), although that is true for some kind of games and not others. (For a computer game, sometimes the source code can be helpful with this in some kind of games, such as Hero Hearts) < 1790033760 936406 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes we 100% want to do that < 1790033787 201627 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we just think designing both the system and the puzzles at the same time would be a great way to learn about both more intricately < 1790033827 276187 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, that might help; I think so < 1790033877 779078 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the very main issue we're currently focusing on right now though is how we would go about doing the whole 'hard coding bad generalizing good' thing < 1790033894 600248 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :our first idea was to have it so that all the commands for movement only work for one frame < 1790033938 43491 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if you wanted to try to just sequence all the inputs to do a section it would take 60 * the amount of seconds it takes to do that < 1790033981 486238 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the problem with that is that then theres no way to just, go for a certain amount of time < 1790034010 436084 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which you *would* need in legitimate solutions < 1790034014 973949 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :along with the fact that it would still be easy to just implement a loop which could do that anyways < 1790034046 733792 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Along with the fact that not everyones running 60fps (there are ppl who run at 120/240 for example, and you can easily set your fps cap to 15) < 1790034074 638309 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so movement commands would Have to also have an amount of time to do them for < 1790034094 457054 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the problem with that is what if someone comes up with a low input strategy for the puzzles < 1790034132 710494 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think the answer might be in how the actual gameplay made for the bots is to be designed < 1790034151 467710 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if we could somehow figure out how to make it lis-proof < 1790034182 406759 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we really hope that theres some more elegant way to go about this < 1790034202 801095 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps movement is instead framed in starting/stopping certain inputs at certain times? < 1790034223 361387 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that sounds like it would just make lis easier < 1790034235 27834 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Suggestions would be apreciated:blush: < 1790034426 266625 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that I do not know enough about what you are making in order to make a good suggestion < 1790034483 13535 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we went to the bathroom and thought of a short enough explanation of what we're doing that we think it would help you (and others) give advice on it < 1790034493 688046 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: perhaps you could have a fairly short length limit, that increases over the course of the game < 1790034502 379556 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe even there's a collectable that increases the length < 1790034508 26410 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for future levels) < 1790034517 746456 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although you'd have to combine that with the ability to replay levels < 1790034518 526420 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no we want each individual puzzle to have a maximum instruction count < 1790034562 365388 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, more accurately like a minimum instruction count to hit before you succeed < 1790034578 406716 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree with each individual puzzle having the maximum instruction count, so that the puzzles are independent from each other (which is also the case in other games such as Hero Hearts) < 1790034587 290413 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1790034599 136772 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats also another thing, each puzzle is separated from each other < 1790034605 325459 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have to solve one puzzle to get to the next < 1790034653 670356 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: basically we're creating a thingy where the premise is you program bots to do various platforming sections for you < 1790034687 292655 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the challenge is you have to shorten the amount of code you write as much as possible for each one, which corresponds to making it more general < 1790034723 411905 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and moving away from hard coding the solutions < 1790034735 220804 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the issue we're having is that we dont know how to combat just hard coding really optimized movement < 1790034758 303499 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and thats what we want advice on currently < 1790034788 288848 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also ais523 we say 'platformer' but there are caveats to that < 1790034817 593104 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the first is that this isnt actually an independent game, its a tower thats meant to go in *another* game in roblox < 1790034839 358029 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In Hero Hearts you can try the puzzles in any order and there is not usually a limit of the number of steps but you can try to do it in a lesser number of steps for a better score. < 1790034866 174515 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we wanna make it so you have to do the puzzles sequentially < 1790034877 749183 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least you have to do all of some group of puzzles to advance to the next group < 1790034925 713897 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: the second is that we're designing all the gameplay *purely* around programming the ai < 1790034947 860924 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we dont wanna add secondary sources of challenge/reward (like collectibles) that alter the core gameplay loop < 1790034978 346355 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually speaking of which though, secrets and easter eggs would be nice < 1790035000 122144 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the feeling of doing something extra hard for a collectible but without any external reward < 1790035058 378515 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we know that sounds like weird game design (making the incentive of the tower just doing it for the hell of it), but trust us it fits very well into the game we want this in < 1790035087 330025 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that if there are any such collectibles they should not affect anything other than the puzzle they are in and that restarting the puzzle should reset the effects of them too, so that it is tried the same way from the start regardless of what things you might have. I agree that it should be just to do it to do it and not for an external reward even if you say it sounds like weird, it sounds like OK to me < 1790035102 318962 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oki oki < 1790035115 22574 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I dislike that some other games don't work that way) < 1790035123 661502 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1790035128 535645 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we especially dislike that < 1790035138 272132 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also yea starting over a section Will reset the section in question < 1790035164 952379 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though speaking of which, we have thought about making some parts procedurally generated according to some rule < 1790035170 555895 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@2601:1c2:4482:1dc0::6b80 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also to counteract hard coding